DODGE THIS

[IMX !!9/alULWmsW5 No.1717397]

Doom thread, 2FAST4U again Edition (Last thread >>1712327)
(other retro FPS games also welcome, chances are we played 'em too)

FAQ/Pastebin, still updated semi-frequently
http://pastebin.com/AfQkPem3

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http://zdoom.org/wiki

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===WADS===
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[IMX !!9/alULWmsW5 No.1717401]

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NEWS
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-Doom 4 Trailer here. It's damn true. http://youtu.be/0C4F1h-HSXU.. Further details will be shown at Quakecon.

-TODAY!!! Don't forget to watch this year's Summer Games Done Quick, as it's going to feature Doom 64 and an Ultimate Doom race! Check the schedule here https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule.. The past AGDQ featured Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and a Doom 2 race. To rewatch said games, see this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1..

-Doom 2: In Name Only represents everyone's wishes of playing the Doom 2 maps in a more literal way. It just got an /idgames link now! Check the thread here. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1124737

-Metroid Dreadnought IS OUT! GO GET DEM TUUUBES - http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561&pid=61847#pid61847

-Also The Space Pirate got an update! Check the latest ver. here! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing And be sure to check this tutorial http://youtu.be/mrFF8LCZw5Y

-Some anons are doing a 200 min. speedmapping challenge; vanilla compatible (Doom 2 format), no custom textures and MUST be done in 200 mins and have an exit; ask in the thread f/details!

-Wanna see John Romero deathmatching in 2014? This happened at GDC http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE..

-HDoom has its 5th techdemo! happy now? http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=m12-hdoom-techdemo5.pk3

Mods that also got updated

Hideous Destructor - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Pirate Doom - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32674
DoomRL Arsenal - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044


ATTENTION! If you know about something news-worthy, PLEASE reply to this post so everyone can see it

[Anonymous No.1717413]

>>1717391
I actually think it adds to it. I think any good mapset should have a huge variety of level types--"gimmicky" levels, straightforward levels, outside levels, inside levels, easy levels, hard levels, Hellscapes and techbases, slaughtermaps and puzzle mazes. Ideally a good level set will put even an experienced player on their toes and have a slightly variable difficulty curve, while still generally getting harder toward the end.

My philosophy is variation and contrast. If a level was relatively long and hard to get through, or there were two or even three in a row, the next map should be a shorter "gimmicky" map or something very straightforward and fun. Think of how we get several mazey dark maps in Doom 2 like The Crusher and Waste Tunnels, only to be smacked with a wide-open daytime boss fight slaughtermap in Dead Simple.

Having played through the whole wad 2 or 3 times now (or what we have of it), I can definitely say that I think it's got exactly that. My own maps end up being those kind of "breather" maps (IMO) but they also offer some good boss arenas. (I think only one of my maps and Duck & Cover actually use a Spider Mastermind.) I think there's some really great looking and fun maps in here. I can't say I like all of them but even the ones I don't like have something redeeming about them, very few of them look like shit, for example.

I'm actually really impressed; when this started I expected it to turn out like complete shit.

Also the skies really bring it all together and make it feel like it's a new cohesive package rather than a handful of random levels.

[Anonymous No.1717421]

>>1717306
>I will openly confess that probably all of my maps (once put side by side with the others in the wad) are kind of the easiest levels in the bunch.
honestly, they're not; this is a perception distortion effect of being the author. you playtest it a lot and end up losing the sense of how difficult it really is for someone who's just a player.

[Anonymous No.1717426]

>>1717373
I did duck and cover (also Junxion, Carousel, Sneek, Brutto, Home Sweet Hell).

that's incredible, i had no idea they were all by the same person.

[Anonymous No.1717427]

In regards to sub-machine gun weapons, the only one I can think of is the MP40, which can be found in Brutal doom (it likely comes from somewhere else).

[Anonymous No.1717438]

>>1717373
>I did duck and cover (also Junxion, Carousel, Sneek, Brutto, Home Sweet Hell).

that's incredible, i had no idea they were all by the same person. usually you can tell, in the same way you can tell two paintings are by the same artist even if said artist is anonymous or using different pseudonyms. but in this case i had no idea.

>>1717391
>As the anon why made Punch It!, I didn't really understand what you meant when you mentioned the icon of sin part of it, because I hadn't actually put it in. I guess the one compiling the maps added that in, but I'm fine with it.

yes i added the death exit. as others said, it would overbalance whatever came after it; this was my primary reason for making the change. also, its position in the map order was giving me a headache :). it was too easy to go later but had too many weapons to go earlier.

that said, if i leave it as map20, the death exit is a bit superfluous. it's irrelevant to pistol-starters, and contiguous players will have everything except a BFG already anyway.

hmm.

[Anonymous No.1717441]

>>1717360
>Yeah, Deep Shit is a bit abrasive I suppose. What about Deep Trouble? Or Canyadigit?

haha, canyadigit is barrels o' fun tier ;) i might just have to use that! the only thing i thought of was "lava canyon"

[Anonymous No.1717443]

>>1717441 (me)
>the only thing i thought of was "lava canyon"
or possibly "lava overflow" because of drawsegs, but that's probably too self-referential

[Anonymous No.1717447]

>>1717441
>>1717443
How about "Too Deep For You"?

[Anonymous No.1717450]

>>1717447
Filthy Cultis detected.

[Anonymous No.1717460]

>>1717447
that's just a catchphrase.

[Anonymous No.1717468]

>>1717447
"In Too Deep", maybe?

[Anonymous No.1717502]

Doom?
More like Dumb,shit doesnt have TECHNOLOGY
just take a look at this

1/4

[Anonymous No.1717505]

2/4

[Anonymous No.1717507]

3/4

[Anonymous No.1717510]

4/4

ICE TECHNOLOGY

[Anonymous No.1717523]

>>1717502
>>1717505
>>1717507
>>1717510

>playing as Warrior

My nigga.

[Anonymous No.1717524]

>>1716065
>MAP05 - The Dig

i just rediscovered this map came with a readme.txt that listed its actual title as "200minutesmap"

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0w5lr49e06jcsnp/AAAUHbSR1sHZVKoOuX9IAHR5a
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0w5lr49e06jcsnp/AAD9XG5LBEhiwsYl1KATI3LLa/Readme.txt

i'm somewhat inclined to ignore this, though...

[Anonymous No.1717539]

>>1717524
Well hopefully the original author will speak up about this.

Because that name is bad.

[Anonymous No.1717541]

>>1717468
Call it "In Deep", then make a sequel map later called "In 2 Deep"

[Anonymous No.1717561]

Hey mapbro, I found another sector issue in the two hundred minute maps challenge, this one's on Map12. The sector this switch is on damages you like the lava around it, pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen.

Also, this may just be me not knowing what I'm doing but there seem to be a LOT of broken switch tags in the level. Like the switch right there, and another in a room with large pillars full of water. A lot of switches that don't work or do anything.

[Anonymous No.1717564]

>>1717561
Forgot my picture

[Anonymous No.1717569]

>be board hopping
>see /vr/, what's going on in this board?
>doom generals
This is a thing? This game fucking raised me.
No words can express my feels

[Anonymous No.1717570]

>>1717569
>This is a thing?
24/7

[Anonymous No.1717571]

>>1717569
>raised by Doom
r u a spess muhreen?

[Anonymous No.1717574]

>>1717569

>this is a thing?

Yes, welcome aboard.

[Anonymous No.1717575]

>>1717574
this gif just made me lose my shit. I'm gonna go die of asphyxiation while watching this is E1M1 playing

[Anonymous No.1717579]

>>1717575

Oh boy the things we got to show you

[Anonymous No.1717593]

>>1717569

Welcome aboard, my nigga.

[Anonymous No.1717627]

>>1717569
>>1717575
Welcome aboard, guy.

[Anonymous No.1717631]

>>1717569
All Doom
All the time

Hop aboard the Doom train

[Anonymous No.1717667]

>>1717502
>>1717505
>>1717507
>>1717510
THAT HUD
WHERE DO I GET IT

[Anonymous No.1717702]

http://gamesdonequick.com/schedule

>Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:31:00 PM

Ah come the fuck on, it was 5PM just two days ago; ah well, seems like I'll be missing it

[Anonymous No.1717712]

>>1717667
>not knowing Wrath of Cronos

[Anonymous No.1717732]

im trying to run doom voxel project in gzdoom and is not working, the map is fully glitched and weird, what i can do?

[Anonymous No.1717736]

Are there any easy tutorials to making Doom maps?

[Anonymous No.1717737]

>>1717732
post pics

[what the fuck is this No.1717762]

>>1717737
here it is

[Anonymous No.1717772]

>>1717762

Where did you download this version of Picasso Doom?

[Anonymous No.1717795]

>>1717762
my guess is driver problems. Try updating it

also, if you can,do png_gamma 1 before screenshots

[Anonymous No.1717825]

>>1717401
Zandronum 1.2.2 came out.

[iSpook No.1717830]

Yo, what mapset is this from?

[Yholl No.1717836]

>>1717830
alt.wad

[iSpook No.1717839]

>>1717836

Oh, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1717865]

>>1717830
>>1717836
>>1717839
I'm curious, what's with having a name with no trip on an anonymous imageboard?

[iSpook No.1717891]

>>1717865

Uh... From what I heard using a trip without some form of content is a no-no, that and I'm a nub, and I dunno how to obtain said "trip".

I guess another explanation could be "Because I feel like it", but that seems rude.

[Anonymous No.1717920]

>>1717631
Any mods that have monsters rising on other monsters?

[Anonymous No.1717927]

So I'm working out an atmospheric thing where the base computer gets posessed and starts mocking you and any other survivors, alongside souting pro helll propoganda, all in monotone, later on in earth in a level resembling some opening bits from duke, tvs get similarly posessed and you get stuff like distorted afterimages of news anchors taunting you

[Anonymous No.1717935]

>>1717920
not that I know of

[kodi No.1717947]

What are some relatively bright and open megawads?

[Anonymous No.1717952]

>>1717891
That also applies to having a name.

>I dunno how to obtain said "trip"

Forget it, I guess I'm the fag. It just itches people want to cling on an identity here where there could be so many other places.

[Anonymous No.1717954]

>>1717927

it should be in an alien language.

[Anonymous No.1717956]

>Romero said Brutal Doom is Doom 2.0

Source?

[kodi No.1717957]

>>1717865
>>1717952
Having a trip means you care enough about your identity that you wouldn't want to be impersonated, which says something about you that might not be true. If one namefags without partaking in drama, why would anyone even want to?

In this thread specifically, it's usually mapmakers/modders who namefag.
>>1717927
You've played SS2 I reckon? That sounds exactly like Xerxes.

"Why do you persist in your loneliness?"

[Anonymous No.1717959]

>>1717956
Romero also made Daikatana

[iSpook No.1717961]

>>1717952

I dunno, I just like to use the name I use in the Doom community, color me weird I guess.

[Anonymous No.1717980]

>>1717830
Is there a way to get rid of that hud that shows up when you look at an enemy in Doom RPG?

[iSpook No.1717982]

>>1717980
You probably can, I like it so I haven't looked for the option, it's probably in the "Doom RPG options" menu somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1717991]

What do I need to do to play DoomRLA with DoomRPG and where can I get the required wads to do so?

inb4 >spoonfeeding

[kodi No.1717998]

>>1717991
Get all the doomrla and doomrpg wads, then just load all of them up with DoomRPG-Launcher. Theres a link for it in the doomrpg thread over at zdoom forums.

[Anonymous No.1718000]

>>1717991
>What do I need to do to play DoomRLA with DoomRPG
You don't need to.
>and where can I get the required wads to do so?
You can find any wad by googling "[wadname] wad", this isn't /a/ but come on now.

[Anonymous No.1718018]

>>1717891
>that and I'm a nub, and I dunno how to obtain said "trip".
>there are people that don't read the rules and faq before posting

[Anonymous No.1718021]

>>1717956
The post making that claim was rather obviously a joke.

It's pretty clear that Romero doesn't think highly of Brutal Doom, but also understands how to avoid getting mobbed by a bunch of faggots who can't stand it when someone doesn't like what they like. He's been careful to avoid directly praising or denouncing it - in the IGN video he did for the 20th anniversary he called it "hilarious" and said that if they'd released that instead of vanilla Doom, they'd have "destroyed the game industry". Both statements could be taken either way. About a month after that video, he shared a link on his Facebook to a long blog post that's mostly about how Brutal Doom is shit (blog post here if you're interested: http://blog.danbo.vg/post/50094276897/the-most-misunderstood-game-of-all-time).).

[Anonymous No.1718052]

>>1718021
>Weapon “rebalancing” means hitscanners hit harder and revenants are pathetically frail, headshots add a completely unnecessary and confused element to the game, “fatality” animations quickly turn from shocking and visceral to stale, played-out and overlong. The BFG no longer has its quirks that require a blend of timing, elegance and aggression, being replaced with what can only be described as “a big dumb green rocket”. Brutal Doom is Doom with the intelligence taken out and all the viscera turned up to 11. Fine in small doses, the definitive experience it ain’t. And it will easily ruin most wads not designed with it in mind.

I didn't realize Brutal Doom removed the weird BFG mechanics.

[Anonymous No.1718062]

>>1718021
>Romero doesn't think highly of Brutal Doom,

{{citation needed}}

[Anonymous No.1718064]

>>1718062
Citation given in >>1718021

[Anonymous No.1718067]

>>1718062
how about you read his post you piece of shit

[iSpook No.1718084]

>>1718052

I've never liked how the original BFG works, that's something I wholeheartedly liked when it came to Brutal doom.

[Anonymous No.1718095]

>>1718084
> After a delay of just under a second, the BFG fires the green energy ball.

> On impact, the projectile deals a large amount of direct (not splash) damage to whatever it hit.

> The BFG's invisible mechanics come into play now. The weapon fires a spread of 40 hitscan "traces" (or "rays") evenly distributed across a 90-degree arc pointing in the direction the BFG ball was fired in, from the player's current position, with each ray dealing 15d8 damage. Coupled with the average damage of impact being 450 damage, the average damage of the BFG (with very little deviation, due to the 601 dice rolls) was 3150 damage. This is 150 more health than the final boss of Doom has.

...Yeah, that seems like a bit much.

[Anonymous No.1718096]

>>1718052

I mostly agree with this. But Brutal Doom still has some really nice things in it.

>Specters that can only be seen via their eyes, and the splashes they make in the water

That's genius.

>The weapon sprites and animations

Also reaallly good. The only problem is that I feel they're "too" good for Doom. They feel like they should be part of some new game. Doom guy has brown gloves for instance, he doesn't have an all black theme going on.

>more aggressive enemies
>Reloading

Might be controversial, but it is a slight limit to the player. But I feel the Doom Marine is already too powerful, so adding a few seconds where he's completely vulnerable and has to bow out of a fight for a few seconds is a good idea.

Now the bad:

>half-dead enemies

Their screaming is really annoying. It's just the main scream repeated. They should at least create a new sound for it.

>fatalities

Goofy and get old fast. Plus graphically it's pretty bad looking.

>iron sights

Basically gives the player a sniper rifle shotgun/assault rifle. A little too OP in a game like doom. Enemies can't really respond with it so you're at a huge advantage.

>Weapon rebalancing

Assault rifle is your starting weapon? You can beat the entire game with this thing. It's THAT good. There's no progression of weapons from weak to stronger. The starting weapon is already really powerful. Even the handgun you can optionally replace it with is very accurate, fires incredibly fast. Regular shotgun is even more powerful (10 pellets vs. original 7). I think the weapons are a bit too powerful.

>Gore and effects

WAY TOO MUCH. It quickly becomes annoying and once a firefight starts blood and gore and cracks on the glass everywhere.

[Anonymous No.1718104]

>fatalities
>Goofy and get old fast. Plus graphically it's pretty bad looking.

I think the monster vs monster or monster vs player melee death animations are pretty cool. Whean monsters start screaming and bleeding only for you to finish them is tasteless and annoying though, and the berserk pack player animations break the flow of the game.

[Anonymous No.1718105]

Error intensifies

[Anonymous No.1718106]

>>1718096

>graphical effects

Yeah, imp fireballs and torches look nice, but they don't really fit doom's graphics. It feels like a hacky mod than a proper seemless game. So what I'm saying is go with either the low resolution game, or make a proper full remake. None of this kind of half assed thing with the original game, but with some nice effects here and there.

The neutral:
>the kick

Not sure where I fall on this.

I've only played a bit of it. A lot of it I don't like, but a lot of it I like. I'm going to be making something that is going to incorporate a few of the things I like about it. I don't think Brutal Doom should be dismissed out of hand though. I also know that several of my complaints (but not all) can be removed through optional modifiers.

I also know that there isn't much that Brutal Doom does that is original. Most of it is a compilation of other mods.

[Anonymous No.1718109]

>>1718105
Did you check the patch box?

[Anonymous No.1718116]

Help! Icarus, map 20

This blue key, what do I do?

[Anonymous No.1718119]

>>1718109
oh hurr.. I didnt see that there

[Anonymous No.1718130]

>>1718109
Now I have

[Anonymous No.1718137]

>>1718095
>>1718021

>"I can think of no other way to describe the author of this blog other than a 'Doom Hipster'... if such a thing even exists."

[Anonymous No.1718148]

What's wrong with giving SSG 14 pellets again? SSG is basically a short range rocket launcher with no drawbacks and tons of ammo. It's a bit OP.

[Anonymous No.1718174]

>>1718148

If it was 14 pellets it be incredibly useless

[Anonymous No.1718187]

>>1718174
You're a big guy.

[Anonymous No.1718190]

>>1718174
Alpha is alpha, man.

[Anonymous No.1718194]

>>1718174
>If it was 14 pellets it be incredibly useless

Not useless, just less useful. Which would mean having to use the plasma and rocket launchers as well.

[Anonymous No.1718203]

>>1717956
He did not say that, He did say he found it hilarious and that if they had released that it would have destroyed the game industry

[Anonymous No.1718212]

>>1718052
>>1717954
While I dissagree with the hate the mod gets, I respect that not everyone likes it and fully agree with the issue of not being compatable with wads not made with it in mind

[Anonymous No.1718214]

>>1718212
>While I dissagree with the hate the mod gets,

Because it got popular. If it was obscure people would just ignore it.

[Anonymous No.1718216]

>>1718106
My long term project is to take the elements of BD and make a hi end remake with better graphics that still feel like the doom asthetic, but with brand new sprites and so on.

[Anonymous No.1718220]

>>1718116
argh i know this map but i haven't played it in years and i can't remember. at the moment i can only suggest you check the DSDA for a demo, or youtube, or something.

[Anonymous No.1718228]

>>1718214
Ahhh, it doesn't help that some go touting it as perfect or better than vanilla and stuff, me I just like the pacing and the sense of impact more, but its not what everyone

[Anonymous No.1718230]

>>1718216
>My long term project is to take the elements of BD and make a hi end remake with better graphics that still feel like the doom asthetic,

What specifically?

>, but with brand new sprites and so on.

I say go all in or go bust. Learn 3D modelling, and attract others who are good at it. Make full detailed beautiful 3D models for the monsters. Ones that look better than this.

Also why has no one made good 3D models for items? Figured that'd be easy. The 2D sprites look pretty good, but those barrels always looked bad because it just has the one side that always faces you.

[Anonymous No.1718235]

>>1718137
>>"I can think of no other way to describe the author of this blog other than a 'Doom Hipster'... if such a thing even exists."

That's the tag of the guy who wrote the blog, not a comment on that blog post.

[Anonymous No.1718237]

>>1718230

And better than these too. They're pretty ugly. I never liked Doom 3 monsters.

[Anonymous No.1718248]

>>1718230
>Also why has no one made good 3D models for items? Figured that'd be easy. The 2D sprites look pretty good, but those barrels always looked bad because it just has the one side that always faces you.
well, there's a voxel pack, it still counts as 3D,l i guess (and it looks pretty neat)

[Anonymous No.1718252]

>>1717561
Shoot the switches.

[Anonymous No.1718253]

What in Doom 4 would make you shit your pants in joy?

>No regenerating health
>NO FUCKING IRON SIGHTS FUCK
>The speed of the original, or of Project MSX
>Big giant open spaces filled with enemies.
>Fast respawning

[Anonymous No.1718261]

>>1718230
>>1718237
The plan was to blend the best of both classic and doom 3 asthetic, sprites was a deliberate limit to test my self, a full 3D version may get made later though, the real meat is that while doom had nods to the inferno and paradise lost this would go all out with the lore all optional of course, but I'd explore things like factions within hell, what purgatory and heaven have been doing, etc. As well as bits and bobs from other adaptations and attributes from doom like games like hexen, strife and duke

[Anonymous No.1718262]

>>1718253
>Complex maps with lots of secrets and exploration that isn't just a one way hallway with stupid special effects

[Anonymous No.1718269]

>>1718262
Yeah, that sounds great. The new Wolfenstein game did a damn good job with putting a whole bunch in their maps.

[Anonymous No.1718302]

>>1718194
No, it'd be useless. Mutiny demonstrated this incredibly well - the shotgun trumped the SSG in almost every situation, and rockets or plasma covered the rest.

Plus you'd be hurting from suddenly needing 30% more shells to get the job done, and on maps with stringent ammo drops, this kills you incredibly easily.

[Anonymous No.1718308]

>>1718269
But is the game at least a little maze like and makes the player explore, or is it just hallway with guns?

[Anonymous No.1718312]

>>1718253

Getting Erik Alm to come out of obscurity and work as a mapper again.

[Anonymous No.1718318]

>>1717427
i think that comes from the NAZIS! wad

[Anonymous No.1718320]

Any idea why I can't see the HUD when playing Doom?

Downloaded the IWADs and OpenGL variant of ZDoom sourceport from the FAQ and everything is running smoothly expect I can't see the HUD.

[Anonymous No.1718323]

>>1718320
Did you apply DoomRL HUD.wad? Also be sure to use fullscreen hud (adjust it with + and -)

[Anonymous No.1718331]

>>1718021
the guys says:
>brutal doom is doom with the intelligence taken out of it

hurm...it's pretty much the same exact game, just with more aggressive enemies. Is it "less" intelligent for imps to aggressively leap at the player? or cocademons to quickly dodge out of harms way? less intelligent for projectiles to be faster or more numerous so as to keep the player on his toes?

I understand what makes doom awesome is how the enemies are designed to fulfill differing roles in the playfield and how they are used and how many greatly influence how a map plays out...but there is like basically nothing that BD does to detract from these base elements of the game.

but i dunno...i don't play BD for "headshots" and corny finishing moves, the secondary swing on the chainsaw is as far as I go with melee I like the weapons and the more pissed off enemies. In fact I play BD:SE. That sweet secondary fire on the rocket launcher, and that sweet minigun with those alt sounds.
unf...mutha fuckin demon slaughter paradise.

[Anonymous No.1718336]

>>1718331
>hurm...it's pretty much the same exact game
>but there is like basically nothing that BD does to detract from these base elements of the game.

Hahahahahahahahahaha look at this fucking guy.

[Anonymous No.1718337]

>>1718308
It's a maze, complete with hidden vents and things that give the player new ways to approach the level.
Wolfenstein: The New Order is a fucking great game.

[Anonymous No.1718342]

>>1718261
>The plan was to blend the best of both classic and doom 3 asthetic,

Personally I'd go Doom PSX since it's so purdy. Lots of blues, reds and yellows. But that's my take on things.

[Anonymous No.1718345]

Seeing Brutal Doom do a shitty attempt at stealth made me decide to try my hand at it and see if it would/wouldn't be terrible.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46174

Lemme know if it's broken or if it's cool.

[Anonymous No.1718350]

>>1718331

>hurm
>ellipses
>that post structure

are you sure belong here pal?

[Anonymous No.1718352]

can we stop having the brutal doom argument again? how many times is this now? i lost count at "umpteen"

[Anonymous No.1718356]

>>1718253
What I really want out of Doom 4 is recapturing the feeling of being alone and fucking DOOMED.

[Anonymous No.1718364]

>>1718106
>Yeah, imp fireballs and torches look nice, but they don't really fit doom's graphics.
I actually really like the way TSP handles this, since a lot of the effects seem like they're just repurposed or slightly edited vanilla graphics. It may just seem like that when in reality it does use hires stuff, in which case it does a good job of hiding that fact. It's still in alpha though, so it may eventually go full hires and bloom and make me not want to play it anymore.

[Anonymous No.1718371]

>>1718336
>>1718350

>Can't respond to any substansive points
>nitpicks post strucutre

oh yeah nice little circle jerk you guys got here. Nope, no group think going on at all. All rational analyzing among esteemed scholars.

Yeah, go back to your slow as shit boring "vanilla doom" while I play the ultimate in fast paced mayhem and action, "Doom 2.0" (aka Brutal Doom). There's a reason why it revitalized Doom and put it on the map after being ignored for 20 years. Shame that none of your "authentic" mods never generated any of that attention, huh?

[Anonymous No.1718373]

>>1718253
>The speed of the original, or of Project MSX
>Big giant open spaces filled with enemies.

>>1718356
>the feeling of being alone and fucking DOOMED.

i think these two are a contradiction. i don't think it's possible to satisfy both at once.

[Anonymous No.1718381]

Don't think anyone's posted this, but someone finally fixed the port image.

[Anonymous No.1718384]

Okay, I have a revolver with +2 power, a high-power fucking minigun (not cg), and an explosive assault rifle. What the hell do I make with these? Grenade/tactical launcher?

[Anonymous No.1718391]

>>1718336
Don't bite the bait. He just exposed himself anyway.

[Anonymous No.1718405]

>>1718342

>play game, dark but can see tons of blue color
>post screenshot
>screen shot is super dark

Why is this? It was not that dark when I played it?

[Anonymous No.1718406]

>>1718371
fwiw i think you have a point about increased monster AI in your original post, but i would kindly ask you to try to avoid the temptation of responding to trolling with more trolling. it never helps.

[Anonymous No.1718410]

>>1718350
>>1718331

Why were these posts deleted?

[Anonymous No.1718413]

>>1718384
Why are you using alternative HUD? That's not how you DRLA at all. Part of the reason is I can't tell if you're a Marine or not. DoomRLA has its own HUD.

Also use png_gamma 1 in console before taking screenshots. It might look fine on your monitor but it looks like shit to everyone else.

[Anonymous No.1718418]

The long term planning guy here, I do have som co devs, one who's neutral to BD, one who dislikes and I miself like it, so I think that will help us balance it out with what's added and what isnt

[Anonymous No.1718420]

>>1718371
>There's a reason why it revitalized Doom and put it on the map after being ignored for 20 years.

Yeah, you're not even trying at this point.

[Anonymous No.1718426]

>>1718381
the image representing the odamex developers is so far wide of the mark it's just embarrassing. sorry.

[Anonymous No.1718428]

>>1718371
>There's a reason why it revitalized Doom and put it on the map after being ignored for 20 years.

I actually searched this intending to prove you wrong, but was instead myself proven wrong.

As you can plainly see from this chart, Brutal Doom has had a staggering and profound effect upon the popularity of Doom.

[Anonymous No.1718432]

>>1718428
LGTSS
>SHITPOSTERS

BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

[Anonymous No.1718436]

>>1718384
dear god, you murdered my eyes

[Anonymous No.1718447]

>>1718420
>>1718428

Name a mod that has been featured in Let's Plays by major youtubers like total Biscuit. Name a mod that has found mainstream success like BD has. Name a mod that has gotten kids who have never played doom, playing Doom.

You cant'.

[Anonymous No.1718448]

>>1718428
>after 2005, Doom (1993 Video Game) consistently outranks Doom 3

[Anonymous No.1718453]

Yeah, time to stop feeding the troll.

[Anonymous No.1718458]

>>1718447
MM8BDM
your move, turbonerd

[Anonymous No.1718459]

>>1718371
>go back to your slow as shit boring "vanilla doom" while I play the ultimate in fast paced mayhem and action, "Doom 2.0" (aka Brutal Doom)
Awesome false dichotomy there. You do know there are other gameplay-changing mods, right?

>>1718373
Think "alone" in the more metaphorical sense, that everything in the game is your enemy and no one's coming to save you.

[Anonymous No.1718461]

So I kno people have experimented with vehichles in doom before but what would best fit the doom style? Tanks? Mecha? Walkers? Ridden beasts?

[Anonymous No.1718463]

>>1718459
>You do know there are other gameplay-changing mods, right?

and not a single one can match the intensity of BD. I got bored of Doom like 10 years ago but BD has completely revived it in my eyes. I'm back to playing, and Doom has never been better.

>>1718458

so different it's a new game. new maps even.That's not doom that's doom engine.

[Anonymous No.1718464]

>>1718447
>Name a mod that has gotten kids who have never played doom, playing Doom.
It's gotten them playing Brutal Doom, it's hard to say that really counts.

I mean, look at all the poor reviews being given to newer wads, "0/10 it's not compatible with brutal doom so I hate it"

Is that really where we want our fanbase to be?

[Anonymous No.1718465]

STOP RESPONDING TO HIM

[Anonymous No.1718468]

>>1718447
>Name a mod that has been featured in Let's Plays by major youtubers like total Biscuit.

It was in a single video by Total Biscuit. I'm not aware of it being played by any other "Major Youtubers."

Also MM8BDM

>Name a mod that has found mainstream success like BD has.

According to >>1718428, not even BD has achieved mainstream success. It's been written about on Kotaku, a site that will run an article about a 10 year old viral video or a journo's particularly wet fart if it's a slow news day.

>Name a mod that has gotten kids who have never played doom, playing Doom.

Doom has gotten kids who have never played Doom, playing Doom.
I'm also pretty sure most of the major mapping projects and TCs have gotten kids who have never played Doom, playing Doom.

I'm pretty sure ZDoom and GZDoom might have a lot more to do with new people playing Doom than BD ever has, or ever will.

I don't doubt that there are kids that started playing Doom for the first time because of BD, but according to the chart it's a drop in the bucket.

[Anonymous No.1718469]

>>1718253
why do people have such a problem with iron sights?

[Anonymous No.1718470]

>>1718447
GVH

>captcha: are btfostr

Couldn't have said it better myself, Captcha

[Anonymous No.1718471]

>>1718463
>"I got bored of Doom like 10 years ago"
>game is over twenty years old

Okay lol?

[Anonymous No.1718473]

>>1718463
keep on moving them goalposts further baby
plenty of people have crossed over from MM8BDM to Doom
more than the number of people who've moved on from Brutal Doom, most likely

[Anonymous No.1718474]

>>1718470
>/v/

This is /vr/, not /v/. Reporting actually works here.

[Anonymous No.1718478]

Fuck you you stupid troll making BD players look like a pack of morons

[Anonymous No.1718480]

>>1718469
I don't in general, but I do when it's in Doom. Doom is about running and gunning, not at all about quiet precision.

[Anonymous No.1718482]

Seriously mods should do an IP check on this asshole. Bet he's German.

[Anonymous No.1718486]

>>1718461

Mecha and walkers.
Vehicles are inherently impossible to do in Doom, due to completely different movement system.

[Anonymous No.1718487]

Wht are /vr/'s favorite joke wads?

I need some laffs

[Anonymous No.1718490]

>>1718487
Swan Fox.

[Anonymous No.1718494]

>>1718480
Perscision yes, quiet no, its to deal with enemies that are far away, and to shut up the screaming crippled monsters, they need more sounds

[Anonymous No.1718498]

>>1718494
we're talking about doom 4, not brutal doom

[Anonymous No.1718502]

>>1718486
What about beasts? Like a tamed monster? Walkers should be cool too

[Anonymous No.1718503]

>>1718459
[quoting entirety of relevant portion of deleted post]
>>>1718373 (You)
>Think "alone" in the more metaphorical sense, that everything in the game is your enemy and no one's coming to save you.

oh, i see what you mean now, yes, you can still be a hell-conquering badass, but completely alone and separated from other humans. unlike doom3 with cambell and swann and bravo team and bertruger and sarge and whoever the heck else. no humans, just the forces of hell and you (and a massive pile of heavy ordinance).

[Anonymous No.1718504]

>>1718461
I have always thought a kind of hover-tank would be best. that way you don't have to change the movement much.

[Anonymous No.1718505]

>>1718490
... never knew deviantart users (is that fucking naruto in the trailer?) made doom .wads

[Anonymous No.1718506]

>>1718503
but co-op would be nice too

[Anonymous No.1718510]

>>1718487
is russian overkill a joke wad? if so, then there's my answer. it's certainly not meant to be serious.

[Anonymous No.1718512]

>>1718498
Oh, I'm cautiously optimistic about doom 4, I liked the idea that hell had its own tech, so seeing the cyberdemon with a UAC lable on its laucher

[Anonymous No.1718514]

>>1718487
My personal favorite is Total Madness: It Always Gets Better

>>1718512
or that the demons salvaged UAC's tech somehow

[Anonymous No.1718516]

>>1718253
honestly i'd be fine if it had doom 3's gameplay as long as the map design is better and the weapons are more satisfying. also proper co-op cause for some reason you couldnt do that in doom 3 on pc.

[Anonymous No.1718517]

>>1718506
well yes, co-op is orthogonal to my post. co-op could still be you against the forces of hell, but there is more than one "you".

my point is no stopping for non-player characters to explain things and show you stuff happening somewhere else you can't reach.

[Anonymous No.1718518]

>>1718510
indeed, Russian Overkill is hilarious. Even if you just find it funny for a few minutes...it's worth experiencing at least once.

>>1718503
Yeah, exactly. 1 man vs 1 hell please. NPCs? no...I'm good.

[Anonymous No.1718519]

>>1718505
you're in for one hell of a time, anon

[Anonymous No.1718521]

>>1718518
>Shoot weapon
>Music starts
Just great

[Anonymous No.1718528]

>>1718505

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57a2fd-Id6A

HAVE FUN, ANON

[Anonymous No.1718531]

>>1718514
Well, it's just like in the "fluff" writing during the interlude screens in doom 2. how it says that their presence alone is subverting reality - bringing their own with them.

A demon wants a rocket launcher? He just picks it up and it becomes part of him via hellish intent. He's a demon. Deal with it. (with a shotgun.)

[Anonymous No.1718538]

>>1718521
well yes eventually one might become sick of it, just like any other wad, be it gameplay mod or set of maps.

i admit i eventually ended up trying to avoid picking up awesomespheres because of having heard the music so many times.

[Anonymous No.1718539]

Rate my set-up.

[Anonymous No.1718540]

>>1718237
Doom 3 pinky is superior to vanilla's imo.

[Anonymous No.1718545]

>>1718531
it's just the same thing as what happened to deimos in episode 2

[Anonymous No.1718546]

>cannot discuss or praise BD in any way
>muh authentic circle jerk

/vr/'s Doom confirmed for groupthink circle jerk where outside ideas are assassinatd and suppressed on site.

[Anonymous No.1718547]

>>1718539

[Anonymous No.1718549]

>>1718539

[Anonymous No.1718557]

>>1718480
This is what's so great about Doom - it supports so many different playstyles, and there's no real "best" one. I prefer playing tactically and conserving ammo as much as possible, even fighting pinkies bare-handed to avoid wasting shells I could need for bigger threats. Others prefer to speedrun, blazing past any enemy not directly between them and the exit. Some swear by playing it like it's the Doom comic, with no regard for precise aiming or caution of any sort. You could be a master of puppets of sorts and not even use your guns, just trick the enemies into doing all the hard work for you. None of these playstyles are "right", or rather, they're all "right". With such a simple goal as "get from one map to the next without dying", there's very few ways you can do it "wrong".

[Anonymous No.1718561]

>>1718540
Yeah, the D3 pinky is a pretty nasty looking fellow.

As is the Baron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0eDrogZ7lA

[Anonymous No.1718562]

>>1718381
>>1718426

too much words just to say "this pic makes me uncomfortable"

[Anonymous No.1718565]

>>1718539
>filters
>bloom
>gamma
>brutal doom
>hires font
>hires textures

I KNOW YOU'RE JOKING BUT I AM LITERALLY GETTING ANGRY

[Anonymous No.1718570]

>>1718546
can you not appreciate that this argument has been rehashed here a hundred times already and we are just tired of it?

in fact i'm fairly sure the consensus on brutal doom is in the faq somewhere

[Anonymous No.1718571]

>>1718561
Oh yeah, the baron redesign was really intimidating. I always thought they were too small in the first Dooms.

[Anonymous No.1718576]

>>1718570
He was a troll who was dealt with earlier and is possibly evading.

Don't respond to him and just report him.

[Anonymous No.1718579]

There's a lot of filters abolist here, but for some reason, I really like filters.

I think it's mostly nostalgia, the second PC I ever got came with a motherfucking 3Dfx voodoo1 card and was my pride and joy. All my friends were stuck with their plebeian playstations and N64's. I felt like the king of the world. They would sit in awe as I booted fully filtered versions of tomb raider or moto racer. Fuck, that felt great.

[Anonymous No.1718584]

>>1718539
>gloom
>hd textures
>crosshair
>brutal doom

[Anonymous No.1718585]

>>1718571
Come to think of it, while all the enemies are introduced in pretty awesome ways in D3, it is the pinky and the Baron that were arguably the most "oh shit..." worthy.

[Anonymous No.1718587]

>>1718538
the awesomesphere is the thing that made me download 3 Inches of Blood's discography but holy shit Deadly Sinners is still their best song

[Anonymous No.1718590]

>>1718480
This is kinda what I like about The New Order. I do like iron sights in games, but in The New Order, you can easily get through with firing from the hip.

[Anonymous No.1718595]

>>1718539
>messages at the top of the screen don’t have bloom applied
0/10 would not fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.1718597]

>>1718585
i like how it seemed like the pinky was going to bust down the door but then he just gives up and jumps through the window

[Anonymous No.1718606]

>>1718595
They aren't bright enough for the bloom.

[Anonymous No.1718608]

>>1718585
Yeah, I can agree with that.
Sad that they were pretty rare. Pinkies in particular, I remember fighting them way too few times.
I dislike how many scripted sequences they had for the imp, and almost none for the other demons.
Th redesign I didn't quite like was the Archvile.

[Anonymous No.1718616]

Could the Doom engine eventually be able to play Doom 3?

[Anonymous No.1718619]

>>1718616

Legacy of Suffering.
So yes.

[Anonymous No.1718620]

>>1717524
By the way, we doing and interlude text? I don't have any ideas myself or anything. Just curious.

[Anonymous No.1718624]

The Doom 64 speedrun is near, be prepared

[Anonymous No.1718629]

>>1718624
What

Where

[Anonymous No.1718630]

Dunno if this is the best place to ask, but here goes. I'm trying to play Duke Nukem 3D with the Attrition mod but when I finish the last level of the first episode it loads the secret level of the third episode and then goes directly to episode 4, completely skipping episode 2 and 3. Is this normal?

[Anonymous No.1718635]

>>1718561
To be specific the game calls them Hellknights, I think the Brute might be a stand in for the Baron

[Anonymous No.1718639]

An explanation behind the mechanics of generic assemblies that cover several weapons in DoomRLA. Spoilers abound. Doesn't say what mods to use, just what they do.

http://pastebin.com/2e3nMtbG

[Anonymous No.1718645]

>>1718630
I dont really know.. but its probably best to stick with the random missions

[Anonymous No.1718650]

>>1718624
SGDQ

GET HYPE

[Anonymous No.1718651]

>>1718561
>That video

10/10

Anybody got any more Doom machinima?

[Anonymous No.1718656]

>>1718585
>>1718608
Yeah Doom 3 makes very poor use of the Pinky. It pretty much never shows up.

Resurrection of Evil has the Barons (or Hellknight, whatever they are) show quite a lot. There's one really awesome fight in Hell where you fight a total horde of them.

[Anonymous No.1718667]

>>1718320
Try changing the "screen size" setting in the display options. Setting it to max will eliminate the HUD.

[Anonymous No.1718682]

>>1718651
just this. by the same dude and making fun of the same "film".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuvuIO23vRg

the friendly super nice revenant kills me every time.

[Anonymous No.1718702]

Of the three offficial versions we've seen which is your favorite and least favorite version of the Cyberdemon?

[Anonymous No.1718714]

>>1718540
I always thought Quake's fiend was what Doom's pinky should have been.

Fast, aggressive as fuck, and able to kill in two or three hits.

[Anonymous No.1718719]

>>1718021
I agree with most points the guy makes, but (unrelated to doom) here http://blog.danbo.vg/post/40621266066/the-lead-designer-of-mark-of-the-ninja-on he went full retarded imo.

[Anonymous No.1718723]

>>1718686

[Anonymous No.1718725]

>mfw HP minigun with maxed out red aura in RLA/RPG

[Anonymous No.1718727]

>>1718714
I like it, kinda like if they took the doom 3 pinky and put it on its hind legs, perfect mix

[Anonymous No.1718734]

:- ) ?

[Kyle873 No.1718737]

>>1718130
Sorry it took so long. Haven't been feeling well and slept like 20 hours straight.

Go into your INI and delete every line starting with drpg_

That should fix it.

[Anonymous No.1718739]

>>1718737

Thanks.
And feel better soon.

[Anonymous No.1718742]

>>1718095
>>1718084
Nah sorry but I think the BFG's weird mechanics is part of the gun's charm. It's super-powerful, but you have to be pretty much kissing the target to get the full dose of damage. It makes using it against cyberdemons and masterminds exciting, because you can finish the fight in 2-3 blasts if you can get close enough with dying.

[Anonymous No.1718743]

>>1718734

>They charge 15 dollars for Doom in 2014

They should really just give the god damn game away.

[Anonymous No.1718747]

>bitch about BD's flaws

Then fix it nigga. All this shit is open and ot there and anyone can change the code.

[Anonymous No.1718750]

>>1718743
it wouldn't be so lame if the original devs got the money, but even then it should be like $1

[Anonymous No.1718753]

>>1718747

Why should I fix Mark's mod for him?
I'm more interested in making my own stuff rather than do things that I'll never be properly credited for anyway.

[Anonymous No.1718757]

>>1718747
That's what the sperglord edition is working at, once V20 is out sgt mark is going to work on other things meaning sperglord edition will be able to finalize its tweaks

[Anonymous No.1718758]

>>1718747
But anon, we don't want to be driven to suicide by its code.

[Anonymous No.1718760]

>>1718747
or we could just play something we actually have fun with and not have to deal with its shit in the first place

there's other mods out there you know

[Kyle873 No.1718761]

>>1718747
I'd rather consume plutonium than read that spaghetti fuckfest he calls code.

[Anonymous No.1718767]

>>1718761
OOOH, how kinky.

[Anonymous No.1718770]

>>1718237
Actually, I think doom 3 had incredibly interesting and cool monster design with very few exceptions: the archvile was kind of boring and the lost souls were a bit eh.

[Anonymous No.1718773]

>>1718743
Unfortunately, "they" in this case is a greedy publisher with a bottomless lust for money. The people who actually created the game probably don't give a shit if anyone pirates it in 2014, they've all moved onto (from their perspective) bigger and better things.

[Anonymous No.1718774]

>>1718770
The concept art for lost souls was awesome, a hole bunch of variants

[Anonymous No.1718779]

>>1718757
or just completely expand past Brutal Doom and become something much more fun. Also, given that v19 was the supposed 'last version', i doubt this will be the last version.

[Anonymous No.1718784]

>>1718747
>All this shit is open

Sorry, I forgot that Sergeant Mark IV's Brutal Doom (by Sergeant Mark IV), with everything made by Sergeant Mark IV and some spots of editing by a few other nerds (but mostly Sergeant Mark IV) is open to everyone (but especially Sergeant Mark IV) who is willing to help (and be put in credits next to "created by Sergeant Mark IV and slightly edited by Anon").

[Anonymous No.1718785]

>>1718770
I agree mostly. Imp was kind of eh, but it looked fine when playing. New cacos are a bit weird, but okay I guess.
I agree wholehearthedly about archies and lost souls. I liked the Forgotten Ones in the expansion better.

[Anonymous No.1718793]

>>1718784
Stop, just stop.

[Anonymous No.1718795]

>>1718774
I really have to look up the concept art for d3 right now. I love looking at stuff like that, especially for such a well designed game.

>>1718785
I think the imp and caco were as good as they were ever going to be while still somewhat resembling the original.

[Anonymous No.1718796]

>>1718793

Nah.

[Anonymous No.1718803]

>>1718779
Well that's my plan, to use the assets of it and ideas in it to launch into something bigger, but I want to wait on the next bit just to see what I'm working with

[Anonymous No.1718804]

>>1718770

>large brown thing that you can't see well

That sums up most Doom 3 monsters. I also didn't think they were demons. I thought they were mutants and that D3 was following the storyline from the movie. They don't really strike me as demonic.

[Anonymous No.1718808]

>>1717702
god DAMN it they changed it? Fuck, is there someplace to watch a restream or something or am I gonna have to wait weeks for the youtube channel to update?

[Anonymous No.1718812]

>>1717736
check the OP

[Anonymous No.1718818]

>>1718808
It's on SDA's stream right now, as we speak, they're pretty deep in the run

[Anonymous No.1718819]

>>1718096
yeah, the new Shotgun is just plain better than the Super Shotgun, there's literally no reason not to use it. Which is weird, since he also nerfed the Plasma Rifle iirc, so it's like he only wants you to use 2 weapons...

[Anonymous No.1718823]

>>1718784
>Shotgun by SgtMarkIV, Edited by Mike12
>Shotgun BY SgtMarkIV
>EDITED by Mike12
...
This has been irking me for a while. I have the original sheet right here. If anything, it's the other way around (he changed the hand and muzzle flash to be consistent with the rest of the mod)

[Anonymous No.1718826]

>>1718757
Mark mention a V21 already.

[Anonymous No.1718828]

>>1718819
I thought the aim was to make no weapon feel useless, that's why the pistol was removed.

[Anonymous No.1718832]

>>1718823
no, no, no
you see
first it was assault rifles (c) sergeant mark iv
now shotguns (c) sergeant mark iv

he reinvented the entire concept of what it meant to be a shotgun

[Anonymous No.1718834]

>>1718828
But the SSG and Chaingun are almost made completely useless by their earlier variants, the Rocket Launcher is damn near worthless, etc.

[Anonymous No.1718836]

>>1718819
Super Shotgun can instakill Mancubi/Revenants(Not talking about them getting cut in half)/Hell Knights/Barons of Hell/Pain Elementals/Cacodemons and Arachnotrons.

Super Shotgun is very very powerful.

[Anonymous No.1718837]

>>1718826
the poor man will never be free

rip in peace

[Anonymous No.1718839]

>>1718826
Jesus, is he ever satisfied? I mean I can appreciate perfectionism in a design but damn

[Anonymous No.1718847]

[Anonymous No.1718849]

>>1718836
But the regular shotgun can do it about as fast, and you'll have enough shots to kill 4 more.

[Anonymous No.1718853]

>>1718837

Watch as nobody gets this reference.

[Anonymous No.1718856]

>>1718853
I get it, I didn't know he was a BR

[Anonymous No.1718861]

>>1718849
>Can do it about as fast
Statistically impossible.

Takes two or three headshots to kill everything with a head listed there with the exception of Revenants.

Takes more than a few shots for Cacos and Pain Elementals.

Super Shotgun kills them in one jump headshot

[Anonymous No.1718869]

>>1716642
dat midriff

>>1716649
You're never actually on Mars in Doom though, you're on Phobos and Deimos, both moons of Mars, presumably either terraformed, or the crater the bases are built in has pressurized domes (like in the novels).

Hell is hell, can't speak for that.

[Anonymous No.1718872]

>>1718861
To its credit that one shotting of cacos has been a life saver, and executing pain elementials saves of the headache of explosions anf lost souls

[Anonymous No.1718873]

>>1718773

>The people who actually created the game probably don't give a shit if anyone pirates it in 2014

"Probably" is not the perfect word...they SIMPLY don't give a damn. And people refuse to accept this.

[Anonymous No.1718876]

>>1718503
>unlike doom3 with cambell and swann and bravo team and bertruger and sarge and whoever the heck else. no humans, just the forces of hell and you (and a massive pile of heavy ordinance).

I think this would be fine if contact was cut off about 1/4 of the way or less through the game, then the rest of the game it's obvious that you are on your own.

I think it would serve to underscore how alone you are, since it would have more impact than nobody there from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.1718879]

>>1718876
Yeah, I would like this too.

[Anonymous No.1718883]

>>1718876
yeah i would be fine if they introduced some characters to establish the setting, some ai partners could be interesting too.

[ClosetMapGuy No.1718893]

sup Doomguys, I updated the metroid map again,

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/MetroidMap-v1.3c.wad

Let me know if anything bothers you or any bugs you find.

[Anonymous No.1718901]

>>1718873
People can't comprehend some one not taking every chance they can to suqeeze money from a game and lord around an achievement

[Anonymous No.1718905]

>>1718883
And then your AI gets posessed...

[Anonymous No.1718913]

>>1718905
yeah, zombie marines that can actually strafe and have a good amount of health would be interesting too

[Anonymous No.1718921]

>>1717427
>>1718318
It's from Rise Of The Triad you silly geese!

[Anonymous No.1718925]

>>1718913
Doom 3 did that.
It was okay I guess.
But I hope they don't add that retarded aim punch.

[Anonymous No.1718926]

>>1718913
Well BD does have them role some times, maybe have them do that a bit more, have a few armored up, posessed, defected or just space crazy, fellow marines who can run and fight like you can

[Anonymous No.1718929]

>>1717510
>>1717507
>>1717505
>>1717502
I'll admit, I thought that was cool as shit when I saw it, and Hexen did a bunch of cool tricks with the engine, but the gameplay was just not at all satisfying to me.

[Anonymous No.1718938]

>>1718893

Really diggin' it so far.
How do I get out of this area, though, after getting the secret missile tank? It seems the only close ledges are those tiny ones on the pillars.

[Anonymous No.1718942]

>>1718938

whoops forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1718946]

>>1718925
no i mean like zombie marines that move as fast as doomguy and do more than just roll around a corner and shoot at you until you kill them

[ClosetMapGuy No.1718952]

>>1718942
the small ledges around the pillars you have to be careful not to fall down

[Anonymous No.1718959]

http://a.pomf.se/cdclfj.mid open with WMP

The IDgames music folder is pure gold.

[Anonymous No.1718963]

>>1718428
Really? Because this is what google trends gave me

[Anonymous No.1718965]

>>1718952
>>1718893

Also, awesome boss fight--that room was really well set up.
Is it possible to turn the fences into thin sectors, though, rather than impassable walls? First reaction on picking up the space jump was to try and leap over the fence to get to them, but it ended up dumping me in the lava.

[Anonymous No.1718976]

>>1718963
Love him, hate him, spit on him, fuck his mother, give him money, whatever, the guy's done a lot for the doom community.

</whiteknight>

[Anonymous No.1718982]

>>1718976
How do you expect to be seen as anything but a troll when proof like this exists?
>>1718784

[Anonymous No.1718984]

>>1718982
Oh god he took sprites from other people? CALL THE FUCKING INTERNET POLICE

>that's been done for years by everyone and their mother
>He should be more humble in crediting them, but other than that I give zero fucks

[Anonymous No.1718987]

>>1718984
>that's been done for years by everyone and their mother

Except those people either
1.Give credit.
2.Get their shit pushed in because pretty much no one condones that behavior in this community.

[ClosetMapGuy No.1718989]

>>1718965

Alright, i'll see what i can do

[ClosetMapGuy No.1718992]

>>1718965
Everyone misses the hidden energy tank :>

[Anonymous No.1718995]

>>1718963
Thanks Obama

Link for anyone doubting which one is true:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F02ckk%2C%20%2Fm%2F02mjmr&cmpt=q

[Anonymous No.1718996]

>>1718963
lol, purists getting blown the fuck out by irrefutable evidence

[Anonymous No.1718998]

>>1718976
>brought in a wave of mouthbreathing idiots that refuse to play anything other than MUH BRUTAL and bitch when other mods don't work with it
>took credit for way more work than he actually did, outright stole some assets
>code is absolutely unreadable and is the worst possible thing for a new modder to learn from
>got his overly aggressive ass permanently banned from both ZDoom and Zandronum forums, resulting in crybabies demanding justice4mark
He's cleaned up his act more recently around here (manners-wise, anyway. still stealing resources whenever he can), but now faggots like you have started to become more and more common, so I'm not sure I like that.

[Anonymous No.1719001]

>>1718995

OH SHIT

OHHHHH SHIT

FUCKING WRECKED

[Anonymous No.1719002]

>>1718987
>this community
You are in /vr/, we don't give a fuck unless someone claims ownership of shit they didn't make.

[Anonymous No.1719006]

>>1718995
holy shit

[Anonymous No.1719007]

>>1718828
Burl Tumd pistol still feels pretty powerful and I use it a lot.

[Anonymous No.1719012]

>>1718963
>>1718995
nigga got told

[Anonymous No.1719013]

>>1718995
Amazing.

[Anonymous No.1719014]

>>1719002
Yeah actually we do, we had this discussion in the last thread. Don't speak for everyone faggot.

[Anonymous No.1719015]

>>1718995
ROFL

[Anonymous No.1719017]

>>1718873
>@RichardGarriott
Fuck yes Ultima.

[Anonymous No.1719018]

>>1718995

[Anonymous No.1719019]

>>1718995
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.1719020]

>>1719019
look at the graph he's replying to

[Anonymous No.1719023]

>>1719019
the guy faked the Brutal Doom search results

[Anonymous No.1719024]

>>1719019
He's shitposting along with everyone else, i don't even get those results typing those terms in to a tee.

[Anonymous No.1719026]

>>1719024
You have to select the topics, or follow the link

[Anonymous No.1719027]

>>1719020
>>1719023
How can you even tell in the first place?

Was someone just randomly looking through a comparison between Doom and Barack Obama as a coincidence?

[Anonymous No.1719030]

[Anonymous No.1719031]

>>1719027
I typed in the terms, saw he's full of shit about BD and then typed in stuff that's actually popular. My first guess was Occupy Wall Street, which it wasn't, then Barack Obama was my second (lucky) guess.

[Anonymous No.1719032]

>>1719024

Sure you don't. I just checked for myself.

Face it.
You got caught, nigger.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F02ckk%2C%20%2Fm%2F02mjmr%2C%20ZDoom%2C%20GZDoom%2C%20Brutal%20Doom&cmpt=q

[Anonymous No.1719036]

>>1719014
No we don't. Don't speak for everyone faggot.

[Anonymous No.1719037]

>>1719026
Okay i see it now, it's still shitposting at this point.

>>1719032
But i'm not him.

[Anonymous No.1719038]

>>1719027
Not to mention, it's one of the first terms suggested when you click on the search bar. Not exactly rocket science.

Also, if you want to get the exact same results as the picture, make sure you click 'search term' on Doom and Barack Obama, and press '1993 Video Game' and '44th U.S President' respectively.

[Anonymous No.1719039]

>>1719030

Needs work.

Is there a limit to how much detail they can have in GZDoom? If not then go all out. Pretend it's a AAA game.

[Anonymous No.1719040]

>>1719032
Zdoom, GZdoom and Brutal Doom are all contributing to Dooms trend. Except Barak Obama, thanks Obama.

[Anonymous No.1719041]

What we have learned today: BDfags will literally make up shit on the spot to justify Mark and his abomination of a mod
He is Phil Fish at this point
and his fanbase are the equivalent of Sonicfags

[Anonymous No.1719045]

>>1719027
>How can you even tell in the first place?
Why don't you test it for yourself, shitbird?

http://www.google.com/trends/

[Anonymous No.1719048]

>>1718998
>stealing

[Anonymous No.1719049]

>>1719041
Or, you know, he could just be trolling.

[Anonymous No.1719054]

>>1718995
How did you know?

[Anonymous No.1719057]

>>1719045
I did and I didn't understand it.

I am not clever.

[Anonymous No.1719059]

>>1719041
>his abomination of a mod

That's too far. I think it's better to call it a mixed bag. See my review at:

>>1718096
>>1718106

[Anonymous No.1719061]

>>1719054
see
>>1719027
>>1719031
>>1719038
>>1719045

[Anonymous No.1719065]

>>1719061
Good guess then

[Anonymous No.1719067]

>>1719030
why is it a cyborg? not complaining I'm just confused

[Anonymous No.1719070]

>>1719067
Cacodemons finally got into the cybertech that Cyberdemons and Spiders get to use.

[Anonymous No.1719071]

>>1719065
I actually guessed it because of what >>1719038 pointed out

[Anonymous No.1719074]

>>1719057
Google Trends shows a graph of search terms' popularity over time.

Brutal Doom is barely a blip on Google's radar. The guy who posted >>1718963 just typed in "Barack Obama" and photoshopped it to say Brutal Doom. What you're looking at there is the popularity of Barack Obama versus various Doom-related things.

[Anonymous No.1719075]

>>1718963
>>1718995
It's only like that because google isn't tallying all of its trends by that specific search result, in this case "1993 video game" isn't giving the proper hits plus the fact that doom is a pretty common term word so that skewers the results further.

I don't see how this proves anything based on that.

[Anonymous No.1719078]

>>1719070
a Cacoborg

[Anonymous No.1719082]

>>1719075
It's not a specific search term, it's google's "search topic" whatever that means. It pops up when you start typing doom.

also >>1719074 is what it proves

[Anonymous No.1719084]

>>1719075
It doesn't prove anything about the game - it just proves that >>1718963 is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.1719089]

>>1719075
>I don't see how this proves anything based on that.

This proves that we've had someone jerkin' our gerkin' and intentionally trying to either A: Rile people up, or B: Act as Mark's personal onahole.
Coincidentally, they're both completely indistinguishable.

[Anonymous No.1719090]

>>1719084
I feel like half the BD shills are trolls trying ti ruin the image of the people who like it

[Anonymous No.1719092]

So we can all agree that Smooth Doom is the best "vanilla enhancement" mod out there, right?

[Anonymous No.1719093]

At this point, any mention of Brutal Doom should be treated with suspicion. People have been bringing it up and arguing about it all fucking day, constantly.

Gee, reminds me of someone else who posts here, and constantly brought a certain thing up, even if it didn't relate to the topic being discussed...

[Anonymous No.1719094]

Things I learned today:

Only a handful of /vr/doomers are capable of reading Google Trends graphs.

[Anonymous No.1719095]

Remember:
Report and ignore.

[Anonymous No.1719097]

>>1719094
>Only a handful of /vr/doomers are capable of reading Google Trends graphs.

I admit I can't make heads or tails of them or know what they mean.

[ClosetMapGuy No.1719098]

This thread

[Anonymous No.1719101]

>>1719097
you seriously can't read a graph? Have you gone to Highschool?

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1719104]

We all know Barack Obama really prefers TF2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPMEKxT2Xv8

[Anonymous No.1719109]

>>1719101

What do the lines mean exactly? There's no labels for y axis.

[Anonymous No.1719110]

>>1719098
>made a really awesome map for a really awesome mod
>is getting completely ignored in favor of faggots being faggots

feels bad man

[Anonymous No.1719112]

>>1719090
As someone who likes muh BURTEL DUM I gotta agree, half the points are going to the haters at this point.

>but it's still a fun mod
>I like brutal
>I still grew up playing vanilla
>I still like vanilla
>Fuck everyone

[Anonymous No.1719114]

MODS PLEASE FUCKING HELP

[Anonymous No.1719117]

>>1719110
Are you the guy with the Metroid Map? I was actually gonna get that started in a couple minutes here

[Anonymous No.1719118]

>>1719112

Generally everyone agrees that BURLT is just another gore and gameplay mod. Some people like it, some people don't. Whatever, right?
The problem is the faggots that keep insisting that it's the way id wanted Doom to be and that it's vanilla 2.0.

Mark's ego doesn't help either, but the fanbase is the big fucking problem.

[Anonymous No.1719119]

>>1719109
Number of searches. The guy faked searches using bots to make BD seem more popular Obama

[Anonymous No.1719120]

You know what, fuck it.

Report any and all mentions of Brutal Doom until this guy goes away.

[ClosetMapGuy No.1719126]

>>1719110
Don't sweat it anon, We all the people here are not gonna change so just roll with it, its quite amusing i find, plus I'm making a new area thats connected to the lava sector, the bridge leading to the boss fight is there temperately, The dear where the mancubus is the sector connector.

Pick which song would you like to hear in the new sector

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbcZmaus6g0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbeiqkq8Sz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIcn67RfLQw

I like these three but I dont know which to use :[

[Anonymous No.1719128]

>>1719118
I can live with modders being dicks, as long as they provide I want complain because their personal lives don't concern me much, the shills both real and fake ruin it for both sides though

[ClosetMapGuy No.1719129]

>>1719126
>the dear

I mean "door" goddamnit

[Anonymous No.1719130]

>>1719118
>It's not overrated you just don't happen to like it as much as some other people do
>I like, it so it isn't overrated!

>overrated: Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field
Yep, that fits alright.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1719134]

>>1719109
>interest over time

[Anonymous No.1719138]

>>1719126
Upper Brinstar has the whole DooM feel to it.

[Anonymous No.1719139]

>>1719118
>The problem is the faggots that keep insisting that it's the way id wanted Doom to be and that it's vanilla 2.0.

It is. Doom 4 will borrow much from it.

[Anonymous No.1719140]

>hdoom techdemov5
>dem demons
>whyboner.exe

[Anonymous No.1719141]

>>1719120
>>1719120
>>1719120
>>1719120
>>1719120

[Anonymous No.1719143]

>>1719126

Brinstar's a better tune, but Maridia is creepier, which is seemingly the vibe you're going for.

I vote for those.

[Anonymous No.1719150]

>>1719126
if its plants, Brinstar
if its water, Maridia
if its lava, Norfair

[Anonymous No.1719154]

>>1718893
i keep having the download fail, its really getting frustrating

[Anonymous No.1719158]

GOD DAMN WHY IS EVERYONE BITCHING ABOUT DOOM

FUCK IT I'M GONNA WATCH SGDQ
DAMN IT ALL I MISSED DOOM 64
RAGE RIP AND TEAR

[Anonymous No.1719159]

know there isn't a source port for blood but is there any way to play it on windows 7 outside of dosbox cause it lags quite a bit

[Anonymous No.1719160]

>>1719140
we can all agree on HDoom,

[Anonymous No.1719169]

>>1719158
Hey, at least Heretic, Doom, Quake and Metroid is tomorrow

When I'm working

[Anonymous No.1719172]

Has brutal doom set back how people see Doom and doom mods?

>big dumb pew pew pew
>this is all doom is
>completely mindless

disgusting

can the damage be undone?

[Anonymous No.1719173]

>>1719172

Yes.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1719175]

>>1719118
>calling Brutal Doom "Burl Tumd" when there's an actual mod called Burl Tumd

That gets really confusing. :/

[Anonymous No.1719176]

>>1719120
>>1719120
>>1719120
>>1719120
>>1719120

[ClosetMapGuy No.1719178]

>>1719154
Seems to work with everyone else, If someone else also has this problem, i'll upload it elsewhere

[Anonymous No.1719181]

>>1719178
it worked for me finally after like 10 tries

[Anonymous No.1719182]

>>1719048
>taking things other people made without asking
>not stealing

[Anonymous No.1719184]

>>1719120

>i support censorship

[Anonymous No.1719187]

>>1719182

The credits fully list source.

[Anonymous No.1719189]

>>1719172
>big dumb pew pew pew
that IS all doom is though. its not a bad thing but i dont really see your point here

[Anonymous No.1719190]

Just wanna say this; Mark's ego finally healed he's not as smug as before. Then we sit here discussing if it's overrated or not, thrilling Mark to answer this shitload of bullcrap.
I say as long as Mark's fine, let's not discuss over BD being overrated or not. It's a fine mod as it is, and I say it's fun as well. That sounds like a deep down elitism after a while.

[Anonymous No.1719191]

>>1719189
He's trying to start shit again. REPORT HIM.

[Anonymous No.1719192]

>>1719187

You mean these credits, right?
>>1718823
>>1718784

The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do and splat his name all over everything?

[Anonymous No.1719196]

>>1719192

>lists things he's done
>lists things other people have done

How is that wrong?

[Anonymous No.1719201]

>>1719191
i just got here, what? all i'm saying is that doom at its core is about shooting stuff and i dont see how a mod about shooting stuff somehow tarnishes its reputation

[Anonymous No.1719205]

>>1719196
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?
>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do
>How is that wrong?

[Anonymous No.1719213]

>>1719196
You are dense.

[Anonymous No.1719214]

>>1719205
>>The ones that list him as doing work he didn't do

{{citation needed}}

[Anonymous No.1719220]

>>1719214
see
>>1718823
also still no credits for marty kirra's kicking boot

[Anonymous No.1719225]

>>1718996
>purists
>people using g/zdoom

I think we went over this already. Both of these things do not compute

[Anonymous No.1719227]

[Anonymous No.1719229]

>>1719220
pretty sure that was just traced from duke's foot so why even give credit

[Anonymous No.1719231]

>>1719229

HAHAHAHAHA OH WOW

[Anonymous No.1719241]

>>1719201

Thoughts going on in Doom player's mind:
>I have the blue card. How do I get the yellow one?
>I checked left and right. Now where?
>An arch-ville? Shit I need cover.
>I'm running low on shotgun ammo. I need to conserve it. Better switch to the chaingun.
>A room of a pain elemental, imps, zombies, two revnants? Who do I go for first?

Brutal doom player's mind:
>AND THEN I TORE THE HEAD OFF THE DEMONS FACE
>EAT THIS SHOTGUN
>HIS HEAD CAME OFF! NEATO!
>THAT IMP EXPLODED INTO BLOOD!
>OH MAN THE WALLS FULL OF BLOOD! COOL!
>CAN'T WAIT TO TELL MY FRIENDS AT SCHOOL ABOUT THIS!

[Anonymous No.1719242]

>>1719172
I feel bad for Brutal doom in way. Its just a mod trying to be, well, as BRUTAL s possible, like the comics. It's zany fun but it sadly has hurt the reputation of doom modding.

[Anonymous No.1719248]

>>1719242
>has hurt the reputation of doom modding.

that seems like complete hyperbole. how could it have hurt anything?

[Anonymous No.1719249]

>>1719241
the fuck? outside of combat the mechanics are exactly the same. do you really think there's no challenge or strategy to playing brutal doom even though its more difficult than vanilla?

[Anonymous No.1719252]

>>1719241
But Brutal Doom doesn't change any of the base gameplay. You still have to navigate levels, conserve ammo, fight enemies with the same patterns, look for secrets, etc.

All Brutal Doom does is change HOW you go about doing that, to make it a bit more visceral and well... BRUTAL. Hell, it actually makes the game HARDER by giving enemies more attacks, stronger attacks, nerfs some guns, etc. I'll be the first to say it isn't the definitive experience and some maps and wads are entirely broken by the things it adds in, but it in no way subtracts from the core experience.

So your problem is with the PEOPLE who play the mod, not the mod itself.

[Anonymous No.1719257]

>>1719248
If it creates so much butthurt here, I have no idea how much it does elsewhere

[Anonymous No.1719258]

>>1719252
>Hell, it actually makes the game HARDER by giving enemies more attacks, stronger attacks, nerfs some guns, etc
>but it in no way subtracts from the core experience.

Yes, nerfed guns and stupid enemy behavior in no way subtracts from Doom's experience.

[Anonymous No.1719260]

>>1718963
>>1718995

...I can't think of anything but a setup made by someone in order to shit up the thread. How could someone, of all fucking things, guess IMMEDIATELY that he went looking for "Barack Obama" just to fake the graph?

[Anonymous No.1719261]

call on me "that guy, get him" but it occurs that someone have serious problems about BD

>>1719241
bullshit and troll
try to play BD on a higher difficulty like BlackMetal or 12 point on Doom2, you'll see what's exactly going on. they'll tear the shit outta your ass before you go into execution range to land melee hita

[Anonymous No.1719267]

>>1719258
Nerfs some guns and powers up others. Basically a rebalance mod, and there are tons of those out there you don't see people bitching about.

and it doesn't change enemy behavior ya dingus, it just gives them new/reworked attacks so they can do more than one thing at a time. They still have the same base A.I. and enemies in Doom are mentally retarded to begin with.

[Anonymous No.1719268]

>>1719261
Yeah. He's probably German too.

[Anonymous No.1719270]

>>1719267
>and it doesn't change enemy behavior ya dingus, it just gives them new/reworked attacks so they can do more than one thing at a time.

...But that is enemy behavior?

[Anonymous No.1719271]

>>1719260
Clearly this is all an elaborate ruse to sabotage the popularity of Brudldm. Hurry off to Wal-Mart, I hear they're having a sale on tin foil!

[Anonymous No.1719274]

>>1719270
It adds melee attacks and changes up some projectiles. Enemies still attack with the exact same timing and the exact same triggers, you just have to do different things to avoid them and you can't circlestrafe them at point blank range to win. BUT THAT'S RUINING DOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.1719276]

>>1719270
how is it stupid or detract from the experience though?

[Anonymous No.1719280]

>>1719274
>BUT THAT'S RUINING DOOOOOOM

It is. BD is the COD of Doom.

[Anonymous No.1719282]

>>1719274
>enemies have the exact same behavior except for changed behavior
>gets called out on it
>BUT THAT'S RUINING DOOOOOOM

Wow, dude, looks like you have issues.

[Anonymous No.1719283]

Is there a mod that weakens the SSG? I want to try that out.

[Anonymous No.1719284]

[Anonymous No.1719287]

>>1719283
Doom I

[Anonymous No.1719290]

>>1719283
just use the regular shotgun

[Anonymous No.1719291]

>>1719287

For Doom II dingus.

[Anonymous No.1719294]

>>1719268
>>1719268
>He's probably German too.

Heh, I like how these threads did a complete 180° on the subject

Back a few months ago someone would make a hint that Donald came back from vacations just to shitpost again, and would've been called paranoical

And whenever shitposting happens now the ONLY one doing it is nobody but him

Still, you're making a good point.

[Anonymous No.1719295]

>>1719290

>don't use all the tools the game gives you

Full retard. I want to try out this 14 pellet SSG to see how "useless" it really is.

[Anonymous No.1719297]

>>1719282
But that isn't changed behavior, it's changed projectiles/hitboxing. The enemies still act the same way in terms of how they move and react to the player, they use the exact same trigger for all attacks. Every enemy with a projectile and a melee just changes the hitbox for the attack if its a melee, sans the Imps. Enemies with different projectiles trigger their attacks the exact same way, the mod just selects what kind of attack they'll do. They aren't manipulatable any more or less than previously.

So you're literally whining that you have to strafe in a different direction maybe a third of the time? Jesus christ that's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.1719302]

well, we were overdue for a shitfest anyway...

[Anonymous No.1719304]

>he thinks brutal doom is hard!

[Anonymous No.1719306]

Stimpack-tan things you all need to cool down and stop being so agitated!

I don't particularly care for Brutal Doom myself but really like RGA2, which literally is the CoD of Doom. To each their own.

[Anonymous No.1719308]

>>1719297
>But that isn't changed behavior, it's changed projectiles/hitboxing. The enemies still act the same way in terms of how they move and react to the player, they use the exact same trigger for all attacks.

Yeah with that logic, the Revenant and the Imp are the same creature despite having different behavior.
They act the same way in terms of how they move and react and use the exact same trigger OH WAIT BUT THEY HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR

[iSpook !fhRCaM0H46 No.1719309]

>>1717891
it's like hashtags on twitter, for instance: iSpook#Igarglecumforaliving might be yours. The trip will be generated in the field via some algorithm that only jewt knows. See?

[Anonymous No.1719310]

>>1719302
Why do I feel like they modeled Doomguy's face on Carmack? Those eyes, that shit-eating smile...

[Anonymous No.1719312]

>>1719295
>nerfiing the tools the game gives you
full retard. don't ask for advice and be a dick about it for no reason.

[Anonymous No.1719313]

>>1719308
Let's just play Devil's Advocate and say you're right: some enemies' behavior has been moderately changed in a way that typically makes them more dangerous.

Explain how this ruins the game or the modding scene, without making reference to individuals playing the game.

[Anonymous No.1719314]

>>1719306
RUN, STIMPAK-TAN
RUN

THIS IS NO PLACE FOR YOUR PURE, NOBLE SOUL

[Anonymous No.1719315]

>>1719304

>look how hard it is guys!
>ignores the invincibility sphere there

[Anonymous No.1719316]

>>1719271

nice rebuttal

[Anonymous No.1719317]

>>1719313
i already asked that but he ignored me

[Anonymous No.1719318]

>>1719315
>couldn't actually reach it before getting slaughtered by 2hu barons

[Anonymous No.1719320]

>>1719317
as he is apt to do, because he's shitposting

[Anonymous No.1719323]

>ctrl+f [deleted]
>No results

Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1719324]

>>1719283
1 million hours in notepad
http://filesmelt.com/dl/nerfed_ssg.pk3

[Anonymous No.1719326]

>>1719304
>complains that Brutal Doom fucks up the balance
>enjoys a mod that fucks up the balance x9000

[Anonymous No.1719330]

>>1719326
how do you even know that was the same anon

[Anonymous No.1719332]

>>1719318

Because he fired and woke them up. Otherwize you can waltz on through. WHat is supposed to happen is the Cyberdemon fires first and starts infighting.

[Anonymous No.1719337]

>>1719313

Good mapping isn't just an instance of "slap X creatures here". It's not just "oh I'll put a pinky and chaingunner and zombieman hurf", it's a careful recognition of what roles, what attacks, what purposes, and etc each creature has.
Revenants are great for long range in the late game because their missiles can swarm around you. In mid-to-early game, they're good in close corridors because they're easy to bait, etc.

Brutal Doom changes everything. Even something as simple as the Imp's lunge means that you can now bait it in melee--combining it with swarms of melee enemies like the demons means nothing because you can just swerve around them while they lunge uselessly at you.

By your own admission, Brutal Doom fucks with a ton of map balance, because enemies suddenly don't do what they're supposed to do. This is the exact same thing I have been arguing.
I don't know why this is a problem when anyone else other than you says it.

>>1719317
>>1719320
>he doesn't agree with me so he's shitposting!!!!

[Anonymous No.1719339]

>>1719169
>Heretic, Doom, Quake and Metroid
oh my god really
oh god this rocks

[Anonymous No.1719340]

>>1719330
that's not for him, but for everyone that plays gameplay mods and complains about Brutal Doom's modern features. For example, the same people that complains about Brutal Doom's semi-iron sights, are the same that sees no problem on Project MSX's Iron Sights, and Regenerating health.

[Anonymous No.1719341]

>>1719337

I don't like the imp's jump attack.

But I like the baron's tri-flame attack.

[Anonymous No.1719343]

>>1719314
Yet another lovely day of discussion about Doom mods!

[Anonymous No.1719345]

>>1719337
doesn't every gameplay mod do that though? where's all the people bitching about how project msx is ruining doom because it kinda plays differently? if brutal doom messes with how a wad is supposed to work than just dont use it with it.

[Anonymous No.1719346]

>>1719337

This is why Brutal Doom should have its own mapset/campaign.

[Anonymous No.1719347]

>>1719340
>MSX rifle is only weapon with ADS
>Brutal Doom shotgun and rifle both have it
MSX has half the iron sights Brutal Doom does. Try again.

[Anonymous No.1719348]

>>1719340
msx has a regenerating shield like halo. you still have to find medkits. i kinda see your point though

[Anonymous No.1719349]

>>1719339
It's a toss-up between Prime 1 or 2, but still Metroid right?

[Anonymous No.1719350]

>>1719341
I'll say this, Caco dodgeing may piss me off mid game but I appreciate the challenge, makes them seem smarter, I'd hate to dumb them down

[Anonymous No.1719354]

>>1719337
>Brutal Doom's Imp can do leap attacks
>Brutal Doom's Revenant can't.
>Brutal Doom's Revenant can fire homing missiles and fast splash damage missiles.
>Brutal Doom's Imp can't.
>They are the same enemy.

What the hell have you been smoking?

[Anonymous No.1719356]

>>1719346
working on it, embryonic stages but working

[Anonymous No.1719358]

>>1719326

At least it doesn't pretend to be the one mod to end all mods in Doom history

http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/brutal-doom-version-19

>>1719346
>campaign

HEH....that word again

[Anonymous No.1719359]

>>1719339
Oh yeah, and then there's Mario, a Pokemon block then a Megaman block

[Anonymous No.1719362]

>>1719227
Shotgun girl?

>>1719158
Berserk girl is cute

[Anonymous No.1719363]

>>1719337
But the enemies DO still do what they're supposed to, and then only OCCASIONALLY do their new things. The enemy behavior is very rarely what fucks up the map balance, the maps aren't exactly reliant on an Imp throwing or not throwing a fireball. The rebalanced weapons and the zoom fucks with the maps, especially since your starting weapon is far too powerful even if you revert to your pistol. Reloading fucks the maps because run-n-gun is much harder and the game purposefully slows you down. Executions fuck with the maps by giving you literal invincibility against everything whenever you get a Berserk pack.

Jesus man, if you're seriously going to argue against Brutal Doom at least come up with arguments that make SENSE, not "the imp jumps, Doom is dead". And none of that ruins the experience, as it can be turned off if you don't like it and the few maps that it truly screws up are typically the ones that are terrible in the first place. If anything the biggest problem Brutal Doom has is enemy balancing, since hitscanners are now much stronger even if they aren't 'technically' hitscanners. It actually makes the game much harder for new players which is going to cause lots of them to just give up entirely.

[Anonymous No.1719365]

>>1719347
Brutal Doom's weapons doesn't completely aims down the sights (at least on v20 test), plus, using these weapons from hip fire are already even more accurate than Vanilla Doom's weapons, and the ADS mode doesn't affects the player's moving speed. MSX's hip fire mode has much more noticeable projectile spread.

[Anonymous No.1719370]

>>1719139
I know a few of them personally (don't ask, friend of a friend of a friend who happens to work for zenimax), expect speed, expect gore.

Past that they're being rather tight-lipped about the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.1719371]

Hi, new to the DOOM modding scene. Tried out GZDoom and Brutal Doom for the first time today - while the improved graphics and gore effects of Brutal Doom are really neat, I ended up really not liking the changes made to the weaponry (both look and function) and changes to enemy AI (lunging imps, actually invisible pinkies, dying marines getting shots off with sidearms, etc etc etc.)

Is there a different mod that keeps the nicer graphical changes made by BD but retains the basic functionality of GZDoom?

[Anonymous No.1719375]

>>1719345

No, not every gameplay mod has its own enemy set.
And of those gameplay mods that have its own enemy sets, 0 of those are being called "doom 2.0".

I don't like replacement enemy behavior changes, but at least none of the other mods I've played claim to be the "definitive" gameplay enhancement experience, when it's exactly the opposite.

>>1719354

hello retard absolutely nowhere did i actually suggest that they are legitimately viable swaps for each other

>>1719363
>ask for an example
>give one tame example
>Jesus man, if you're seriously going to argue against Brutal Doom at least come up with arguments that make SENSE, not "the imp jumps, Doom is dead"
>If anything the biggest problem Brutal Doom has is enemy balancing

Yeah nah I'm out.

[Anonymous No.1719380]

>>1719371
>actually invisible pinkies
but... Vanilla Doom has those too.

Also GZDoom looks much better than Vanilla in the first place man.

[Anonymous No.1719381]

>>1719371

Beautiful Doom, Polished Skull.

[Anonymous No.1719383]

>>1719371
vanilla doom with gzdoom

[Anonymous No.1719384]

>>1719375
Your examples were worthless, you're complaining about something that's very rarely a factor, which is the Imp and Revenant attacks, while I'm specifying a specific problem for a specific subset of players that encompass most of BD's audience.

[Anonymous No.1719391]

>>1719358

I don't see why that's controversial. BD improves every aspect of the gameplay and has no real setbacks.

upgrades = good

[Anonymous No.1719392]

>>1718531
>A demon wants a rocket launcher? He just picks it up and it becomes part of him via hellish intent. He's a demon. Deal with it.
This is actually the best idea of how the demons became half-tech in Doom. They just literally grab weapons and their bodies alter to incorporate them.

[Anonymous No.1719393]

>>1719380
Vanilla spectres are fuzzy. You can still see them, it's just more difficult.

Compare to "lel not even rendered" BD spectres.

[Anonymous No.1719394]

>>1719363
Not the guy you were responding to but I feel the changed properties really change up how BD is played.

Barons shooting spreads of fireballs, Mancubi having splash damage and the fire left on the ground, zombies dodging rockets and being more aggressive in general.

Also imps have the pouncy attack which is considerably more dangerous than the Imp normal scratch attack.

Also the modified melee attacks for Barons and Revenants hurt much much more than in Vanilla.
And that's not mentioning the better tracking on Revenant rockets and splash damage.

I don't think it ruins Doom at all, but I do play BD differently from standard Doom by quite a bit.

I like the shotguns and rocket launcher.

[Anonymous No.1719395]

>>1719391
>BD has no real setbacks.
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1719396]

>>1719332
No shooting necessary. Hideous Destructor's enemies aren't retards and when one of them sees you, they'll alert others.

[Anonymous No.1719398]

>>1718557
>Some swear by playing it like it's the Doom comic, with no regard for precise aiming or caution of any sort.
The thing that pisses me off is that if you actually read the fucking thing, the only reason he's acting like that at the beginning is he has a Berserk pack. It wears off later and he suddenly goes "Oh fuck I'm in deep shit" and runs away

[Anonymous No.1719403]

>>1719393
Ah, I forgot about BD Spectres because they were so easy to track with the glowing eyes.

[Anonymous No.1719404]

>>1719358
Nothing wrong with campaign. It's good to differentiate between gameplay mod wads, TCs, etc.
Levelset is okay too.

[Anonymous No.1719407]

>>1719260
see>>1719038

[Anonymous No.1719408]

>>1719396

>luck based gameplay is GOOD

And you have the gall to criticize BD (skill based gameplay) ?

[Anonymous No.1719409]

>>1719404
just say Megawad

[Anonymous No.1719412]

>>1719371
Beautiful Doom probably.
Particle Fire Enhancer is good too.
Problem is both have pretty meh sounds.

[Anonymous No.1719414]

>>1718620
>By the way, we doing and interlude text? I don't have any ideas myself or anything. Just curious.
Remember a few months ago when some anon posted goofy-ass Google Translate versions of the default screens? Like, he took the test, translated it to Chinese, and then translated it back to English? It was bretty funny; we could just redo that.

[Anonymous No.1719416]

>>1719396
So how do you not die there?
Just sprint like crazy for the invulnerability?

Is Doomguy's weaponry even strong enough to fight any of those in that mod?

[Anonymous No.1719417]

>>1719409

megawad sounds gay.

campaign is fine. It's used in RTS games, FPS and other games.

[Anonymous No.1719420]

>>1719408
> >luck based gameplay is GOOD
the idea is that you don't go sprinting into the firing lines

yes it's the complete opposite of doom but hideous destructor was never meant to be like doom in gameplay at all

[Anonymous No.1719423]

>>1719371

Doom PSX TC

Smooth Doom.

[Anonymous No.1719424]

>>1719417
but this is doom, not an RTS or other game
in doom its called a megawad
MEGA
WAD

[Anonymous No.1719426]

>>1719417
>megawad sounds gay.
>campaign is fine. It's used in RTS games, FPS and other games.
Oh my fuck are you being serious right now? MegaWAD is literally the term of a Doom mappack. Like, that's the actual fucking terminology. Nobody gives a shit about what StarCraft and Halo call their levels.

[Anonymous No.1719427]

>>1718714
I wish NMN_Paul had finished his version before he left forever. His Vore was fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.1719428]

>>1719409
I thought megawad referred only to 32 map levelsets.

[Anonymous No.1719429]

>>1719424
or you could not be autistic and call it whatever you want

[Anonymous No.1719431]

>>1719424
>>1719426
>Responding

You're part of the problem

[Anonymous No.1719432]

>>1719380
>>1719393

Fuzzy pinkies are TOP TIER in Doom PSX. It's darker so you really can't see them.

[Anonymous No.1719434]

>>1719429
get out of here /v/

[Anonymous No.1719436]

>>1719427
I wished he finished his WIP house level, it looked creepy and atmospheric as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1719439]

>>1719420
Why don't you return to your respective forums and keep your Brutal Doom butt-hurt/drama/hatred there?

Or at least take to /v/ or /b/?

[Anonymous No.1719440]

>>1719428
It's considered a multi-level wad until it reaches 12 maps, then it's a megawad.

[Anonymous No.1719447]

>>1719439
meant for every goddamn "BD suxxors hue" poster here.

[Anonymous No.1719449]

NO, IT IS NOT OKAY TO POST THE PASTA ABOUT DECOWADS AND WHATEVER

There, before anyone else thinks about doing it

[Anonymous No.1719450]

>>1719434
how about you go back to /v/ with your pointless elitism about fucking words to describe levels in doom

[Anonymous No.1719451]

>>1719428
id Software stated way back in the Nineties that MegaWAD referred to any file containing at least fifteen Doom WADs. Now of course that exact phrasing can be loosened, but anything containing what's meant to be a full mappack should be referred to as a MegaWAD above a term like 'campaign'

[Anonymous No.1719453]

Oy oy, are you faggots still getting offended that someone isn't sucking/kicking Brutal Doom's dick as hard as you?

[Anonymous No.1719457]

>>1719439
you sure you replying to the right guy there m8

[Anonymous No.1719458]

>>1719453
In fucking deed. Anyone who responds to either type of post is part of the problem, and should be shunned as well.

[Anonymous No.1719459]

>>1719450
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Megawad
>A megawad is a fan-made PWAD that, according to the idgames archive definition[1], contains 15 or more levels.
its an actual term, now kindly fuck off

[Anonymous No.1719461]

>>1719450
But that's what they're called, it's been that way for well over 10 years.

[Anonymous No.1719462]

>tfw casuls near me refer to id Software as I.D. Software
Why have they never made any attempts to clear that up? It's not I.D., it's id, as in id, ego and super-ego. LEARN SOME PHILOSOPHY JAYSUS.

[Anonymous No.1719465]

>>1719458
>>1719453
I just want reasonable discussion, not no discussion

[Anonymous No.1719471]

>>1719459
>>1719461
but what's wrong with calling it a campaign or mapset or whatever the fuck you want as long as it makes sense? is /vr/ just so terrified of modern vidya that you can't even use words associated with them?

[Anonymous No.1719472]

THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR

[Anonymous No.1719473]

>>1719471
doom isnt modern vidya you tard

[Anonymous No.1719476]

>>1719473
no shit i'm talking about calling megawads campaigns

[Anonymous No.1719478]

>>1719471
Why are you so butthurt over this?

[Anonymous No.1719479]

>>1719472
use two sticks to make it in the nature?

>>1719471
Okay why don't we call every level in Halo a SNORFDAURS and every Starcraft map a HFMQBUFNS?
Because it doesn't need to be changed, it's been an established term for more than a decade.

[Anonymous No.1719482]

>>1719472
Dem teeth.
Reminds me of my waifu Mileena

[Anonymous No.1719483]

>>1719472
but she doesn't need one of those!

[Anonymous No.1719485]

>>1719408
>>1719416
You just have to git gud

if I were actually willing to run through map01-07 instead of just warping straight to 08 I probably wouldn't have to use the BFG, but seeing as it's a loadout you can choose to start the game with, I'd likely have it anyway.

[Anonymous No.1719486]

>>1718872
>and executing pain elementials saves of the headache of explosions anf lost souls
Pain Elementals don't explode in vanilla so if he hadn't fucking added that in the first place, it wouldn't be a problem

As for the extra 3 lost souls, deal with it pussy

[Anonymous No.1719487]

>>1719476
Because most Megawads don't follow any sort of story or campaign. You sound like a five-year-old CoD player tyring to change things that don't need to be changed to make them more 'realistic' and 'tacticool'

[Anonymous No.1719489]

>>1719404

YES there is something wrong about it, mostly because said fucking term started to pop out when (GOLLY GEE WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED) Brutal Doom became popular and the modern FPS audience came in to the community because of the mod..

It's so off the place it's literally ridiculous; it's like you're discussing about 'heavy music' instruments and someone broughts "turntable" to the discussion.

"Campaign"...as if you were going into a mission of pre-determined event and places...YOU'RE IN A TRIP TO KILL DEMONS AND STOP AN APOCALYPSE, TO WHENEVER IT IS NECESSARY TO GO

Whenever someone brings up said term it just literally screams of "I'm a modern gaymer, I am literally new to Doom and came thanks to this mod that makes me feel like home, and I don't feel like making the slightest effort of calling stuff like it has always been called for the past 17 years". And there's literally nothing that you could do to prove me otherwise.

>captcha: who uraidd

[Anonymous No.1719490]

>>1719476
because they are megawads, and by extension, Episodes

campaign is just the wrong word

[Anonymous No.1719498]

Did someone say Doom-tans?

[Anonymous No.1719504]

>>1719479
so i cant call a map in doom a level because its technically called something different? i cant call the demons enemies even though thats still what they are? do you really not see how elitist and stupid this mentality is?

[Anonymous No.1719505]

REPORT ALL MENTIONS OF BRUTAL DOOM

[Anonymous No.1719507]

>>1719485
I was mostly just asking since I never really played that mod.
I am hardcore in normal Doom but this Doom mod in particular wasn't to my liking.

>Those Barons that keep standing up
Are they able to self revive?

Also one thing I noticed with Hideous Destructor is that it seems to have a lot of TECHNOLOGY
Like how one monster can alert his buddies and what I saw with zombies shooting at cover for suppressing fire.

[Anonymous No.1719508]

None of this shitstorm has been deleted. Only the first few posts of it were dealt with, and it seems the mods have given up.

I am legitmately disgusted by the mods' neglect as of late.

[Anonymous No.1719512]

>>1719498
Oh my god.

I can see why Doomguy in the comics cried when he picked up the BFG now.
It all makes sense.

BFG girl is Waifu tier

[Anonymous No.1719515]

>>1719504
You can call those all that whenever you want because those are things they are. Doom wads ARE levels and Doom demons ARE enemies. Doom Megawads are not Campaigns. Stop trying to change shit that doesn't need to be changed, nobody gives a shit about your need for authority.

[Anonymous No.1719519]

>>1719515
i'm not trying to "change" anything. i just think we shouldnt waste time getting all asspuckered over someone not using the right technical term even if its completely irrelevant to what theyre trying to discuss in the first place

[iSpook No.1719524]

>>1719309

Oh. Well tha-- I laughed way too hard at that, I'll thank you twice, in this case.

[Anonymous No.1719529]

>>1719519
then just use the right technical term man, the one that's been in use for longer than you've been playing the game most likely. You don't see us going into other game threads and using blatantly incorrect terminology. lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.1719536]

Can the mods seriously clean the thread up? This is sickening.

[Anonymous No.1719538]

>>1719092
So far. It has a little ways to go though.

[Anonymous No.1719539]

>>1719498
bfg already has tits on it

[Anonymous No.1719540]

>>1719507
When a baron dies they shit out a bunch of little green sparks that float around and revive shit

they're not powerful enough to fully revive barons, but they can make them get up long enough to 2hu your ass at least once, and that's really all they need.

and yes, Hideous Destructor's TECHNOLOGY is beyond anything else in Doom mods. Scopes that don't zoom in the entire view, longer weapons can collide with walls, heavier weapons are harder to aim, the cheekiest chaingunners in existence, even cheekier arachnotrons, and FUCKING archviles. shit's nuts. It's just a shame that because of its steep learning curve and lack of the graphix that are all the rage these days that it'll never really get the recognition it deserves.

[Anonymous No.1719541]

>>1719536
Not much point now that the thread is almost over.

[Anonymous No.1719549]

>>1719416
Doomguy guns in HD hit really fucking hard.

[Anonymous No.1719551]

>>1719440

>12 level campaign
>32 level campaign

Why is that so hard?

>>1719490

>No see, the sarlac pit from Return of the Jedi is ACTUALLY technically called a Sarlac tengru.

This is what you sound like. Nerd arguments over pointless shit.

[Anonymous No.1719552]

>>1719508
gotta feel bad for the bastards, they do it for free, after all

[Anonymous No.1719554]

>>1719540
Personally I'm fine with learning but I don't know..
The pace of Hideous Destructor isn't quite to my liking.

Totally appreciate everything the mod does though.
I just wish I could enjoy it more.

[Anonymous No.1719561]

>>1719427
>>1719436

It's all up to us, the rest of the people who are still around, to finish NMN's Stomper, there's a couple of threads that popped in ZDoom's forum, I think. They're open to mappers

Sadly this doesn't mean Paul will notice (or care) about it, he's off to do art-related stuff, last thing I heard

[Anonymous No.1719565]

>>1719498

[Anonymous No.1719568]

>No good Zandronum servers are currently active

[Anonymous No.1719569]

>195 posts deleted

Jesus what the fuck

thank you based mods

[Anonymous No.1719572]

So I've lurked in this community here for a while. I want to get into modding and mapping, is DoomBuilder tricky to learn for a retard like me?

[Anonymous No.1719573]

>>1719498
Who drew this?
It's damn great.

[Anonymous No.1719574]

>>1719572
>is DoomBuilder tricky to learn

Ahh hell no, Doom mapping is literally something you learn in less than three days. You'll start doing low-quality stuff, for sure, but all what it takes is just practice

[Anonymous No.1719578]

>>1719572
The trickiest thing is actually designing the maps. So no Doom Builder isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.1719581]

>>1719568
Are there ever any straight Doom deathmatches on Zand? Without the fancy gameplay mods and shit?

[Anonymous No.1719582]

>>1719572
http://www.doombuilder.com/?p=tutorials

Doom level editors aren't too difficult to work with from what I remember, you can get the basics down pretty fast and the tools and tutorials they have nowdays are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.1719583]

>>1719581

Yes.
Like, constantly.

[Anonymous No.1719589]

>>1719581
>>1719583
Not from what I've seen. All people play now is shit like Ghouls VS Humans and Who Dun It, the latter being possibly the worst Doom mod i've ever played.

[Anonymous No.1719593]

>>1719581
Deathmatch servers dont tend to stay active for very long, people get tired of it in a half hour or so and then its no fun to deathmatch by yourself so everyone leaves. If you're itching to deathmatch join an empty server and go watch youtube or read a book until people start joining.

[Anonymous No.1719595]

>>1719498
... god DAMN

I'm reverse image searching this.

[Anonymous No.1719596]

>>1719574
>>1719578
>>1719582
Thanks a bunch guys, guess I'll get started then

[Anonymous No.1719601]

>>1719595
I found nothing for it.

[Anonymous No.1719603]

>>1719593
What a pity, considering that deathmatch kind of made Doom what it is/was

[Anonymous No.1719604]

>>1719601
I found this: http://vidyart.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=7169

Ain't much, but it's something.

[Anonymous No.1719605]

http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1703227/#1705834

>>1719581
>>1719589

With that being said, the only way to fix this is to create a server and start doing stuff about it instead of acting like Francesco Redi

[Anonymous No.1719606]

>>1719554
yeah hideous destructor is pretty neat technically. too bad its not fun at all and needlessly complicated
>>1719572
no, doombuilder is the most userfriendly iirc and mapping in doom is pretty easy anyway.

[Anonymous No.1719607]

How hard would it be to make a story cutscene in a Doom mod? And make them skippable?

[Anonymous No.1719610]

>>1719605
>Francesco Redi

gg me, getting mixed up names and relevancy

[Anonymous No.1719613]

>>1719607
probably would requires entirely hand-done coding, Doom is not built for cutscenes at all.

[Anonymous No.1719614]

>>1719604
Something is better than nothing.

I wish these artists had places where I can see all their stuff.

[Anonymous No.1719616]

Can Doom engine properly handle multi level maps and rooms/corrodors on top and below each other?

[Anonymous No.1719619]

I do recall seeing a mod here and there that had cutscenes, and even ones that had a skip option but I can't remember which was which. Oh wait, that towninfection wad had some cutscenes, you could try looking at those and seeing if you could learn anything from how those work, but I'm pretty sure there are wads that did them better.

[Anonymous No.1719620]

>>1719616
not really, no.
If you wanna make a map like that you should probably be making a Quake map

[Anonymous No.1719621]

>>1719614
Well after looking at the tags, I got this:
http://vidyart.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=artist%3Amonorus

As the url says, artist name is Monorus. Google away.

[Anonymous No.1719625]

>>1719607
>>1719613
>>1719619

pretty sure he's talking about ZDoom cutscenes

You can open up this wad and inspect how it does stuff, ZDoom in Hexen format

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=12369

>>1719616
>>1719620

You speak as if ZDoom in Hexen/UDMF wasn't a thing

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/3D_floors
http://zdoom.org/wiki/3D_floor

[Anonymous No.1719626]

>>1719616
No. Doing that would require a lot of tricks, like in Doom 64 they scroll the entire map out of the way when you reach a new floor.

[Anonymous No.1719627]

>>1719620

b-but I like Doom so much more.

[Anonymous No.1719628]

>>1719626
>like in Doom 64 they scroll the entire map out of the way when you reach a new floor.

they do what now?

[Anonymous No.1719629]

>>1717427
I was present in many wolfendoom wads. Not sure if they were made after or before NAZIS.wad

[Anonymous No.1719631]

>>1719621
Well the name got me a HF and a Pixiv hit.

But no BFG9000 girl posted in either gallery.
You helped a lot, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.1719635]

>>1719581
There's been a widening skill gap in DM players for years and years. It eventually just came down to pubstomping, so over time people just stopped subjecting themselves to it. We're talking like, gradually over 4 or 5 years, maybe.

Also, fuck Skulltag weapons/spheres. Those killed the ST maps for me.

[Anonymous No.1719636]

>>1719625
i was talking in terms of Boom compatability

[Anonymous No.1719637]

>>1719628
In Doom 64 there are multi-tier maps, but because the doom engine can't handle them they literally have the entire map tagged to scroll up and down like an elevator as you move through it. The ceiling of a basement room will be the floor of a higher room, etc.

[Anonymous No.1719639]

>>1718893
>splatoon

I want a Doom splatoon mod.

I wonder if Zandronum could handle splatting ink on every surface.

Maybe with some script wizardry.

[Anonymous No.1719642]

>>1719639
Brutal Doom did it, I don't see why it can't be done again

[Anonymous No.1719647]

>>1719596
PROTIP: Start with vanilla Doom compatibility, don't jump right into "Doom in Hexen format (ZDoom)" or "UDMF" or anything complicated like that. It's best to learn a little bit of the ropes of building actual architecture and texturing and making doors and switches and shit work before you actually move on to more complicated mapping formats

That's not to say that you even have to finish or release your vanilla maps, just that you should use them to learn a little before you step up. It's especially important (IMO) because vanilla Doom has maybe like 100 line specials whereas Boom, ZDoom etc. expand that to literally thousands, and I found it a lot easier to keep track of how to do stuff when my feature set was more limited

[Anonymous No.1719653]

>>1719636
Not in Boom then, no. But in ZDoom you can!

[Anonymous No.1719661]

>>1719647
Got it. Thanks for the tip, Vanilla Doom maps will run in g/zdoom without any tweaking as well won't they?

[Anonymous No.1719667]

>>1719661
yeah

[Anonymous No.1719675]

>>1719637
>>1719626
I don't remember any maps in Doom 64 that do this. Or, you're describing it in a weird way. The Breakdown has the most level-morphing stuff I can think of and it's nothing like that at all.

[Anonymous No.1719679]

>>1718096
>Their screaming is really annoying. It's just the main scream repeated. They should at least create a new sound for it

Versions prior to v18 had zombie sounds replaced by doom 3 alpha commando voices, which I loved and felt like adding extra violence to the game, but no one else liked.

Those voices weren't looped upon half-deaths. It was just like a continuous agonic zombie cry.

[Anonymous No.1719680]

>>1719498
>you put that thing on your lap
>start to charge to fire it
>hops up and down
>tits start to shake off of sweat from them
>a moment of shyness turns to shock
>followed by an agonizing fantasy of bitten lips and pierce
>she starts to lose it, her fingers loosen it
>as her swaying starts to get erotic and arms move around erratic
>her mind snaps until the point of throwing her head backwards
>and she unleashes most ear shattering motherfucking scream on earth
>demons are awed by the strong bass and wind of her lungs
>a mantra turned to lust and it's embodied for sure
>BFG9000
>and in the end we're all DEVASTATED

ps. i coulda write it better

[Anonymous No.1719681]

Any graphical wizards looking for some cut & paste practice?

I like SmoothDoom but I'm thinking it needs expanded. There's some simple stuff floating around like new attacks for vanilla monsters that could easily be expanded upon.

I was thinking the first step would be this Baron attack. Typically I see it used as a three-way-goop attack.

[Anonymous No.1719683]

>>1719675
if you play the game the way it's meant to be played you never notice it. You'd have to watch a speedrun to see it explained better and in-action. Last year's Doom 64 SGDQ was pretty informative, I missed this year's so I'm not sure if they explained it.

[Anonymous No.1719685]

>>1718230
I would really priorize voxels over 3D modelling.

It gives DooM the missing dimension, while keeping that wonderful vanilla stink.

[Anonymous No.1719691]

>>1719679
I had a mutator to bring it back, notably it mixes and replaces a couple of monster sounds too, the Imp during it's "repeated punches to the face" execution and the Arachnotron after you pull it off it's legs and leave it waddling on the floor while bleeding, overall I do still like it

[Anonymous No.1719692]

>>1718253
More than 20 monsters on the screen at the same time.

I want to shoot to the mass sometimes, duh!

[Anonymous No.1719693]

>>1719683

Is there video of this?

[Anonymous No.1719694]

>>1719693
Uh, look on Youtube for Doom 64 speedruns and it should be the first result.

[Anonymous No.1719696]

>>1719685

I don't really want vanilla. I want full 3D remake that plays exactly the same. And I know devs will never make that.

[Anonymous No.1719703]

>>1719694

Specifically of this. A full speedrun could be hours long.

[Anonymous No.1719704]

>mfw killing the cyberdemon on e2m8 in nearly 30 seconds with a plasma rifle in Doom RPG mod

Bruh

[Anonymous No.1719712]

>>1719703
>full speedrun
>of a Doom game
>hours long
uwotmate

[Anonymous No.1719716]

>>1718096
Personally, I really like the ironsights on the shotguns and rifles in Brutal Doom and Accessories To Murder, really makes the weapons come alive.

I seldom use the irons on the shotgun (though it's neat to have when taking potshots at an enemy up in an alcove, to make sure you score most of your shot onto him), but the rifle is INCREDIBLY handy with the ironsights/holosight, a soldiers weapon is a rifle, and it feels right to use a rifle like it's supposed to, aimed shots at a distance, and rapid fire at close range.

You could use it to snipe, but it's rarely powerful enough to drop any demonic enemy in one single shot. That said, the enemies are not at all defenseless, if you're without cover, revenants are a bitch (and that's true to vanilla Doom), and I find the chaingunner replacements in AtM are quite accurate enough to take you by surprise from a distance, too often am I hit by rifle fire without realizing there's a rifleman in a window over there, across the yard, and bullet impacts aren't even heard in AtM, so he can be pelting at you for a long while until he starts hitting you, and you don't even know where he is.

I really like AtM's aesthetics though.

[Anonymous No.1719717]

>>1719704
>Get laser rifle in Doom RLA
>Slap on two sniper mods and two firestorm mods onto it
>get a precise as fuck and fast as fuck laser
>Since I'm Marine the gun's consumption rate is lowered
>mfw when doomin'

[Anonymous No.1719719]

>>1719712
Doom 64 has a much slower movespeed. It's closer to Halo.

[Anonymous No.1719720]

>>1718747
>>1718753
>>1718757
>>1718758
>>1718760
>>1718761
>>1718767
>>1718779
>>1718784
>>1718793
>>1718796
>>1718803
>>1718823
>>1718826
>>1718832
>>1718837
>>1718839
>>1718847
>>1718853
>>1718856

Jesus christ. This is the fucking brutaldoom post deleting feast.

Even Kyle873 got caught shitposting.

Is it always like this?

[Anonymous No.1719721]

>>1719703
>hours long
dude it's called speedrun for a reason. most of those videos consist of using walltrick blasted BFG to zap hordes of enemies, repeated rocket blasts from afar for fast multiple targets and circle strafing supershotgun for slow targets from close. That's about it.

[Anonymous No.1719724]

>>1718929
That monster you have there freaks me out

[Anonymous No.1719736]

In Doom RLA what's the difference between the assault shotgun and tactical shotgun, other then the extra shot per magazine

[Anonymous No.1719737]

>>1719414
I'm okay with this.

[Anonymous No.1719738]

>>1719719
the whole thing is like 45 minutes long IIRC, and they talk about the scrolling tricks the whole time.

[Anonymous No.1719747]

>>1719498

My dick gibbed

[Anonymous No.1719749]

>>1719720
Yeah, it got REALLY out of hand and the mods took their sweet time. Glad it's over.

[Anonymous No.1719757]

>>1719498
>not into 2d waifu shit
>not really into hdoom (but it's funny, and I like that /vr/ is making a quality mod
>this still stimulates the fuck out muh dik

[Stapler-san No.1719762]

>>1719498
hello, gorgeous
tell me, would you like a wad to call home

[Anonymous No.1719763]

>>1719762
>BFG9000 girl in HDoom
Please.

Turn the 10/10 mod into 11/10.
Only way it could go better would be a playable gun girl.

[Anonymous No.1719770]

>>1719720

/doom/ lacks the maturity to discuss Brutal Doom.

[Anonymous No.1719772]

>>1719719
u wot m8
It's not THAT slow, matter of fact if you set the neutral position of the joystick to down, you can move at crazy speeds.

[Anonymous No.1719774]

>>1719763

Yes please.

[Anonymous No.1719775]

Has anyone tried to put Doom 3 models into Doom?

>>1719719
>Doom 64 has a much slower movespeed. It's closer to Halo.

What would that translate to for regular Doom? I'd like to try it out in the regular game.

[Anonymous No.1719780]

I want Arino to play Doom.

They prefer console ports it seems though. Which one of Dooms got a console port?

>Doom 64

What about regular doom?

>Doom Saturn

Not the best.

>Doom PS1

Acceptable. I can't see any info about a JP release though.

>SNES
>32X
>etc

bad ports

>original

I don't think they play computer games. This would be really nice though to get an old PC.

>source ports

I don't think they play those..

[Anonymous No.1719782]

>>1719775
I saw one do photo rips that looked god awfule and there was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYbe2vzkixY

[Anonymous No.1719790]

>>1719780
he would probably be playing the SNES version if all

[Anonymous No.1719792]

>>1719719
Yeah, I suppose technically it is closer to Halo in the sense that 80 is a closer number to 20 than 100 is, but it's still far from Halo speed. As a point of reference, Doom 64 movement is still faster than Quake.

[Anonymous No.1719793]

>>1719780
He could always play it on the PC-98

[/d/ No.1719794]

>>1719306
i think stimpack-tan needs to learn that THE AGITATION NEVER ENDS

[Anonymous No.1719796]

>>1718253
>No regenerating health
Eeeh, that depends on how it's done, I usually prefer health pickups for first person shooters, but Riddick and the new Wolfenstein did regen health in a pretty good manner.
Also, it'd help if the regen health was determined by your difficulty setting.

>NO FUCKING IRON SIGHTS FUCK
I actually don't have anything against iron sights, I think it'd make sense on a pistol or a rifle, but that said, Doom is Doom, and at close ranges, you shouldn't really have to take your time to aim, hell, iron sights should be decently fast anyway, and only serve to give you an advantage over longer ranges.

>The speed of the original, or of Project MSX
I like being able to haul ass like Usain Bolt on speed when I need to, but I find myself not having autorun on most of the time, as I sometimes just want to wander about the level, and take my time, drawing in the atmosphere and immerse myself.

Personally, what I want the most out of Doom 4 is fast gameplay, monsters, violence and gore, fun levels and most importantly, a good metal/rock soundtrack to go with it.

I thought Doom 3 was an alright shooter, despite some flaws and questionable design decisions, but really, my number 1 disappointment with Doom 3 was that there was no fucking music.

Oh, sure, the intro theme is there, and completely honest, it was a kickass fucking track, but there's no music to be heard at all in the game, and that just feels like such a let down, I mean, I know silence can help build a scary atmosphere, but this is fucking Doom, it could greatly have used at the very least some atmospheric tunes, boss themes, and action themes.

Oh, and I want it to be good too.

[Anonymous No.1719797]

>>1719780
I still like the SNES port. Mostly because, Doom on a SNES was a crazy thing for me at the time. we only had one computer, so if my family was using that I could go Doom on the SNES. It was fun.

[Anonymous No.1719808]

>>1718302
I disagree, I find that being able to have both barrels fired separately (or both, when times call for it), can make the double barrel very versatile, even with just 7 pellets per shot, since you can dump them in rapid succession should you have to.
Imp coming down that alley of crates, fire a barrel into him, turn to your right and fire the other barrel into a former human hiding behind a corner, reload rapidly and you're ready to go again.

Just give the pump a tighter spread, and the double barrel a wider spread.

[Anonymous No.1719812]

>>1719782
those imps are just edits of the doom 64(not strictly bad but simple), those cacos are recolors of Duke enemies I think, I dont recognize where the Pinkies are from but I do like the Mancubus skin and the teleport effects

[Anonymous No.1719821]

>>1719782
>Compatibility: ZDoom, GZDoom, Skulltag, and maybe some others. THIS MOD WILL NOT WORK IN PROGRAMS SUCH AS DOOM95

[Anonymous No.1719828]

>>1718381
>ZDaemon
>gamma
I get it.

[Anonymous No.1719832]

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1m1gYg756bs

[Anonymous No.1719834]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4g6nLOpTQU

[Anonymous No.1719843]

>>1719832

>Daikatana sword

[Anonymous No.1719846]

>>1719140
>hdoom

Does anyone know who is working on it? Or is it mainly a collaboration of anons here in /dfg/?

I also approve of BFG-tan

[MagSigmaX !!MzLvzW0TfvL No.1719853]

>>1719498
Oh shit..... My dick is pleased.

More Doom weapon tans please...
>Make them compete against each other trying to earn Doomguy's approval.
>Pistol-tan has an inferiority complex.
>All the girls are jealous of BFG-tan's large tits.
>BFG-tan is not happy however because she doesn't understand why Doomguy seems to choose SuperShotgun-tan over her most of the time.

[Anonymous No.1719863]

>>1719498
>monorus
Thought I recognized his coloring!
Damn nice picture!

[Anonymous No.1719876]

>>1719834
is there mod that gives you Ocelot's SSA? I wanna bounce bullets

[Anonymous No.1719880]

>>1719876
>SSA
derp, meant SAA

[Anonymous No.1719882]

>>1719853
SSG-tan is athletic smalltits but ass for days pls

[Anonymous No.1719898]

I dunno if anyone shared pictures from alice88's latest image set (uploaded 5/23), I quite liked the last image in it.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=43655631

[Anonymous No.1719903]

>>1719882
meanwhile Assault-chan, Rev rocket-chan and Mancubus cannon-chan feel angst over being unnatural add ons

[Anonymous No.1719908]

>>1719898
what wad is Maephisto from?

[Anonymous No.1719916]

>>1719846
It's Mike12 and Stapler, and maybe someone else (spritenoobsaibot?)

[Anonymous No.1719919]

>>1719908
No clue, could be for something alice88 is currently working on. Does look like it'd be a cool monster.

[Anonymous No.1719921]

>>1719908
It's a realm667 monster.

>>1719898
Looks good!

[Anonymous No.1719925]

>>1719908
It shows up in Beyond Reality.

[Anonymous No.1719929]

>>1719717
>Playing DoomRLA on The Darkening
>I'm not exactly the best
>Pick up some random mod pack
>Randomly apply it to my SSG without looking
>SSG is now a godly 2 barreled chaingun of death.
>FUCK YEAH!

[Anonymous No.1719932]

>>1719903
lel, Kanker Sister bitches

[Anonymous No.1719945]

>>1719498

[Anonymous No.1719952]

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_64#Story

>Doom64 stars the same Doom Marine
>there is no special plot or anything it's just go kill demons

I figured it was a new guy and continuity reboot. Probably took place on some far off space station. I don't know why, but Doom64 feels like a space station.

[Anonymous No.1719959]

>>1719098
thanks Dr Luigi

[Anonymous No.1719969]

>>1719952
Nope,fuck you,Doom 64 is the same doomguy that came back from earth after the Plutonia mission and stayed in hell to make sure no more demons spawn in forever,and anything that happens afterwards is fanmade

[Anonymous No.1719973]

>>1719969
>and stayed in hell to make sure no more demons spawn in forever

So many demons
So much ripping and tearing

Doomguy might be in Hell, but he's in his own personal Heaven.

[Anonymous No.1719997]

>>1719498
>>1719472
>>1719306
>>1719227
>>1719158

Why always short hair? Is it just easier to draw, or is that your preference?

[Anonymous No.1719998]

>>1719973
eventually he cows the lady demons into being his harem, needs something to come home to after a long day of ripping and tearing

[Anonymous No.1720003]

>>1719997
Stimpack-tan there has long hair.
BFG girl has hair like that because of the muzzle flash.
Imps have short hair when turned into girls.
Can't go around berserking with long hair.

It makes sense.

[ClosetMapGuy No.1720008]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/MetroidMap-v1.3c.wad

Current Build, Make sure to use Metroiddreadnought-levels-v1.pk3 wih the core mod

also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKku3msRi_c

9999 hours in windows movie maker

[Anonymous No.1720010]

This is my face when H-doom

Last time i got a boner to pixel girls was with metal slug,and that was in 2004

[Anonymous No.1720020]

>>1719998

And thus, HDoom is canon.

QED

[Anonymous No.1720028]

>>1720008
>that intro
fuck, i got wood

>that sexy-ass outdoors with the rain and the quiet music
fuck, i got double-wood

>them secrets, having to actually explore areas
fuck, i got triple-wood

>CYBERDEMON BOSS FIGHT
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY BONERS

[Anonymous No.1720040]

>>1719969

I consider most everything past Doom 2 to be non-canon, or reboots. It's a bit goofy to think of a single marine doing all that. He'd have to be supernatural.

[Anonymous No.1720057]

>>1720040
It's a bit goofy to think of a single marine doing all of any Doom event. I think the abundance of zombie units says a lot about the odds.

[Anonymous No.1720061]

>>1720008
Loving the music.
It's very easy to skip past the rainy/lava sections with two bombs up to the top platform, though. Is this intentional for sequence breakage?

[Anonymous No.1720062]

>>1720061
It's metroid,of course there should be sequence breaks

[Anonymous No.1720063]

>>1720040
what if he's a reincarnation of jesus

[Anonymous No.1720065]

>>1720040
Well he did die and fight his way out of hell. So I'd be willing to think he is anyway, after episode 1

[Anonymous No.1720072]

>>1720057

Doom never explains how zombies are made.

You can presume that they kill you, and as long as they didn't damage you TOO much you'd reserrect.

[Anonymous No.1720074]

>>1720008

You can integrate movies into wads now?
Fucking yeeeeesssss

[Anonymous No.1720078]

>>1720072
I assumed that they weren't soo much undead as posessed, with the demon abusing their bodies into deterioration

[Anonymous No.1720085]

>>1720072
Doom 3 basically did that, if I recall.

[Anonymous No.1720098]

>>1720008
Not too sure how I feel about the federation summoning demons but the map itself is shaping up super nice
Had a lot of fun looking around for secrets

[Anonymous No.1720101]

>>1720072
>>1720078
Dead, possessed, irrelevant; the point was that a bunch of dudes like the MC weren't badass/superhuman/special enough to survive the incident unfazed. Clearly Doomguy is 'more than human', even if just being the apex of human performance.

[Anonymous No.1720104]

>>1720101
Ehh I feel like Doomguy got lucky, he basically got glimpsed over the initial infestation by chance and then just worked his way up th food chain getting better gear from his dead comrades and such.

[Anonymous No.1720117]

Why can't I run the latest version of Doom RLA on GZDoom?

[ClosetMapGuy No.1720119]

>>1720098
Yea i made up some silly plot on Doom and Metroid are tied in together, I assume the events in the metroid games take place many earth years ahead of 2145[when doom3 happened], So in my universe The events on mars, The UAC was shutdown and covered up by the earth govs and eventually forgotten, Many years later the federation finds an artifact on the planet Tei Tenga, Thinking they had found a way to control the hell spawn, so they pick up where the UAC left off, but they fuck up and all hell breaks lose, BUT WHO CARES ABOUT PLOT, I just wanna shoot some niggas

[Anonymous No.1720130]

>>1720117

Your version of GZDoom is waayyyyyy out of date.

[Anonymous No.1720131]

>>1720117
Probably need a devbuild of gzdoom.
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

[Anonymous No.1720137]

Fuck off to /vg/

[Anonymous No.1720139]

>>1720119
>BUT WHO CARES ABOUT PLOT

ANY METROID FAN WORTH THEIR SALT YOU charming person

[Anonymous No.1720142]

>>1720137
Nah.

[Anonymous No.1720145]

Hey, I'm looking for that cute cacodemon icon to replace my generic marine icon on my desktop

[Anonymous No.1720148]

>>1720142
>Replying to bait
If you keep feeding him, he'll keep coming back.

[Anonymous No.1720150]

>>1720008
My phone refuses to copy paste the link what should I search for on youtube?

[Anonymous No.1720156]

>>1720150
Metroid Dreadnought Map intro

[Anonymous No.1720160]

To whoever made Map14 of the two hundred minutes challenge... you are my hero. But godDAMN is your map bullshit

[ClosetMapGuy No.1720173]

>>1720028

I try my best

[Anonymous No.1720174]

>>1719843

yes, many elements you see in id software games were born out of that D&D world that Carmack built

Also

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0gj0LEKMyIG

[Anonymous No.1720182]

>>1719159
Virtual Machine.

If you can bother doing your research, you'll be able to set Blood up and play it at 1024x768 with 120+ fps perfectly smooth.

[Anonymous No.1720201]

>>1720008
Well that was kind of nifty but it feels like the player should get a beam of some sort by the end of what's currently available.

Power Beam is just so bad.

[Anonymous No.1720207]

>Fighting Korax in serpent resurrection
FUCK YES YOU ARE THE BEST BOSS EVER MADE

[Anonymous No.1720216]

So what do I play the Metroid mod with?

When I load it up with GZDoom I can only hold one energy tank.
When I load it up with Zandronum I have all beams and two energy tanks by default.

[Anonymous No.1720219]

>>1720216
>When I load it up with Zandronum I have all beams and two energy tanks by default.

Looks like you were a cheater earlier.
Check what your metroid_loaded and metroid_startingtanks settings are at.
Set both to 0 if they're not already.

[Anonymous No.1720225]

>>1720219
It was the first time running Zandronum ever.

[IMX !!9/alULWmsW5 No.1720231]

Oh my fucking god how could I have missed this, SLADE 3.1.0

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/69095-slade-3-1-0-released/
http://slade.mancubus.net/index.php?page=downloads

Has anyone tested it so far? Is it stable enough?

[Anonymous No.1720235]

If the two-hundred minute map makers are still around, I think this door in Map16 needs the columns indicating that it needs a red keycard. Just a minor stylistic thing.

[Anonymous No.1720238]

>>1720225

Well, uh, that's weird.
In GZDoom you only hold one energy tank, what happens when you try and pick up any others?

[Anonymous No.1720240]

>>1720238
Nothing at all.
It is like having full ammo and walking over the same ammo type.

Just doesn't let me get it.

[Anonymous No.1720248]

>>1720240

That's, uh, very weird. I have no clue what the hell is going on.
You may want to get on the IRC and ask Terminus about that.

[Anonymous No.1720274]

fixing 200 minutes map06 has left me with a quandary, and i need some opinions to resolve it.

in the original you walk in the room, the 30s door shuts in front of the switch, and an imp in an alcove wakes up behind you. you shoot the imp, this wakes up the demon teleporter. the problem as some people have discovered is you can get under the 30s door by running fast enough, and then you get stuck in there for 30 seconds.

i currently have it fixed by replacing the 30s door with a fast closing door that's harder to outrun* and a switch at the back of the imp's alcove to open it again.

however in the original it's possible to sneak through the teleporter trap by not shooting the imp, or by luring it out and shooting it through the entrance to the room, which has sound blocking lines on it.

what i need to determine is whether or not the demon teleporter trap should remain bypassable by stealth.

- are the sound blocking lines intentional gameplay behaviour or are they just there so you don't wake the teleporter up early? in which case i can redesign the teleporter accordingly.

- should the switch to reopen the (former) 30s door be a gun trigger, which would force you to wake up the teleporter anyway, or a pressable switch, so you can remain stealthy?

i can't discern the author's original intention. my inclination is to use the gun trigger so the trap is forced to go off, but that might be against the author's wishes, not to mention make the map more annoying for some players - i know a couple of people have suggested that it's already not a great map compared to the rest of the wad (which i don't necessarily agree with, but it is understandable as it was the very first submission before any kind of bar had been set)

_________
* although still possible with strafe50, but it is now openable from inside. a 30s door wouldn't be, because it remains an active sector - that is, it still has a thinker attached to it - whilst closed.

[Anonymous No.1720275]

Ughhh. And of course I end up coming across another of the Two Hundred Minute maps that I just hate. Map Seventeen, why does it exist? It's just more cramped hallways so you can't maneuver, zero light not even done stylistically but to hide piles of enemies for a "surprise", and enemy placement that makes no goddamn sense. 5 Pinkies and an Archvile all shoved into a closet, Hell Knights on opposite ends of a linear corridor so you have to out-DPS them, Revenant in a corridor that you can't dodge around its rockets...

I love playing and trying out fresh user-made content but there are always one or two maps that I just hate and they always have the same key problems. Why are these such easy fallbacks for Doom mapmaking?

[Anonymous No.1720289]

>>1720235
good idea, thank you.

[Anonymous No.1720296]

>>1720289
>actually listening to player suggestions
I love you DooM general.

[Anonymous No.1720305]

>>1720216
>>1720219
>>1720225
>>1720238
>>1720240
>>1720248

Hmmmm, that's strange.
Like that anon said, the only thing that should determine player loadout on spawn is the aformentioned cvars, metroid_startingtanks and metroid_loaded.
I'm not sure what's going on there with Zandronum.

I'm assuming GZDoom is your primary engine, though, and that problem should be easier to fix. In the console, type "set metroid_nolevellimiter 1". Then restart a new game on METTEST, and you should be able to pick up both energy tanks.

[Anonymous No.1720306]

>>1720296
Seriously, this is the nicest general I've come across on this site. Largely thanks to our dedicated janitor I imagine though.

[Anonymous No.1720309]

>>1720275
Aw. :-( Doesn't like my map...

It exists because not every map is going to cater to your tastes. It's okay though. Sgt Marks map is up next, and it's pretty good, so. Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.1720310]

>>1720306

We had a gigantic shitfest earlier between a certain mod's fanfags and hatefags, so not always.
Still, glad you're with us.

[Anonymous No.1720312]

>>1720309
Don't be a passive-agressive asshole, I'm listing legitimate criticism. I'm not telling you to change anything because I understand other people are likely not as bothered by it as me. I'd just like to know why a lot of mappers fall back on that certain set of tropes, I've certainly never seen a map praised for it.

[Anonymous No.1720314]

>>1720305
I use GZDoom the most.

This worked.
Do I have to change something to keep this permanent or do I type it in every time?

[Anonymous No.1720317]

>>1720314

The CVARINFO file lists
>server int metroid_nolevellimiter = 1;
so honestly, it should automatically be set when you first load it up.
Either way, though, if you "set" a cvar in the console like that it should be saved to your .ini.

In case bizarre non-lightning strikes twice, though, go to your .ini file, search for metroid_nolevellimiter, and make sure it says "metroid_nolevellimiter=1".

Sorry for the trouble. Please enjoy.

[Anonymous No.1720319]

>>1720317
>Trouble
There was no trouble at all, I am very thankful for the help.

Now I can enjoy this mod properly and it is very fun.

[Anonymous No.1720323]

>>1720312
Don't be an aggressive aggressive asshole. I intended my comment to be tongue in cheek.

And a proper critique wouldn't be nearly as abrasive as yours. Like I said, there's a lot of maps in there from random mappers, and you're not going to like all of them. But from the sounds of it you're more likely to like Marks. Lot of room to move around, and not many monster closets.

As for the tropes of dark rooms and cramped corridors, it was intended (in this case) to force you to play slower. The hell knight hallway has a bubble in it for dodging, which make it possible to dodge, the dark room is to make you creep in (just a pacing thing, really it's my least favorite room I've made. It is just a bunch of monsters), and the revenant is a cakewalk if you know your doom strats, or just walk around the corner.

Most of my monster choices are purposeful as well. The demons spawn one at a time so you can kill them on arrival, all you have to worry about then is the arch vile ressing them.

Demons and hellknights are together because demons are good for temporarily obstructing the player, and hellknights are far too easy to kill in a large room bordering on useless monsters.

What did you think about the cyberdemon fight anyway?

[Anonymous No.1720334]

>>1720323
The Cyberdemon fight was fine, it's in a space large enough to maneuver, has some cover, and some hitscanners to draw your attention and make the fight a little less of a DPS race. But Cyberdemons are pretty much one-trick ponies anyways.

[Anonymous No.1720340]

>>1720312
>Don't be a passive-agressive asshole, I'm listing legitimate criticism.

i'm the wad compiler, i will try to answer your criticism.

>>1720275
>It's just more cramped hallways so you can't maneuver

there is one 64-width hallway and it has no monsters in it except a couple of closets. the trick is to shoot the monsters in the closets before they can get out and chase you down the hallway.

>zero light not even done stylistically but to hide piles of enemies for a "surprise"

i assume you mean the basement, you just run in, grab the key, and leg it out again while a monster fight breaks out.

>and enemy placement that makes no goddamn sense. 5 Pinkies and an Archvile all shoved into a closet

this fight is great, you have to avoid the demons whilst keeping yourself in cover behind the pillars to avoid being blown up. or you can just run out of the door and shoot through it, because the teleporter doesn't go off very quickly.

>Hell Knights on opposite ends of a linear corridor so you have to out-DPS them

what does DPS mean? what i do is, i allow the one to teleport behind me, spin round, fire, dodge into the side alcove, let it walk forward a bit, fire again, then run past it, fire a third time, it's dead, kill the other one.

>Revenant in a corridor that you can't dodge around its rockets...

as i said, you don't let it out of the closet. the door opens, you fire your SSG, it takes a swing, you step back briefly and forward again, you fire a second time, it's dead.

in conclusion the map is hard and needs to have a strategy worked out for it. there is nothing wrong with this. when i first played it i said it was "evil" and that i had died in basically every room, but it is certainly not impossibly hard or too frustrating to play, and i UVmaxed it eventually. not every map needs to be beatable easily on the first or second attempt.

regardless, i might switch it with some SKY3 map that's easier. map22 could go back to the SKY2s, for example.

[Anonymous No.1720341]

>>1720340
DPS is Damage Per Second.

[Anonymous No.1720349]

>>1720340
My comment had nothing to do with difficulty. I beat the map my first time through, UNDER Par - which was generous in its time, but still. My comment was that the map relies on a lot of bad map design tropes to increase difficulty. It's not very well thought out, aside from perhaps the Archvile fight which I just didn't enjoy, Archviles seem to be a big theme in this compilation and perhaps I'm just burnt out on them. But everything else, the linear corridor, the basement with no lighting, etc. They don't really add anything interesting to the map, they're just overdone tropes. Which I'm sure is fine for a lot of players, I'm not saying it needs to be changed, I'm just saying that I specifically don't like them and don't understand why they're so overused.

Now i do have to give credit to the Cyberdemon fight for the Lost Soul flooding trick, because it isn't needlessly constricting and adds tension to what's otherwise a very simple fight and puzzle.

[Anonymous No.1720350]

>>1719498
>>1719472
>>1719343
>>1719306
>>1719227
>>1719158

this guy is fucking gr8

[Anonymous No.1720356]

>>1720349
ignore the par times. if you're seeing a par time at all, it's that of the original doom2 maps. (prboom hides them for pwads that don't specify them)

[Anonymous No.1720367]

>>1720349
That's all fair enough. I'll admit some of it wasn't thought out. The original plan was to have the key keep dropping down level by level, 4 times. But I realized I didn't have the time to pull that off well enough (enter the meh basement room). The arch vile fight, cyberdemon, and hell knights were planned though.

Didn't have a lot of time though, keep that in mind for a lot of these maps. Some are just vague concepts, and some are just random mapping, and some are unfinished ideas. Some are pretty damn good imo though. 200 minutes of tech in particular stands out for it's sheer size and flow in my mind.

[Anonymous No.1720368]

>>1720349
>My comment had nothing to do with difficulty.

oh. sorry for assuming that it did.

>I beat the map my first time through

well done! i didn't :)

>UNDER Par - which was generous in its time, but still.

ignore the par times. if you're seeing a par time at all, it's that of the original doom2 maps. (prboom hides them for pwads that don't specify them.)

>My comment was that the map relies on a lot of bad map design tropes to increase difficulty.

well, all right, i can see your point, crampedness isn't my favourite thing either.

>Archviles seem to be a big theme in this compilation and perhaps I'm just burnt out on them

and closets which spring open and leave you right next to a revenant that immediately takes a swing at you. given /vr/doom's eternal obsession i shouldn't have been surprised by this at all...

>Now i do have to give credit to the Cyberdemon fight for the Lost Soul flooding trick, because it isn't needlessly constricting and adds tension to what's otherwise a very simple fight and puzzle.

yes, i agree, those pain elementals are a stroke of [evil] genius.

[Anonymous No.1720369]

Been playing Wolf3D via ECWolf (thanks whoever suggested this around a week ago)
It's alright, not great like Doom was but it feels like a nice history lesson. I've finished ep4, thinking about at least playing through to the end of the base game. Is Spear of Destiny worthwhile?

[Anonymous No.1720380]

WIP/concept of the inventory area of my hud. I'm not sure whether I should go with the magical CRT monitor thing I've got going now or just make the boxes simple depressions in the wood. Or something else more ornamental, like vertical scrolling strips of parchment or film visible through the slots in the wood panel

[Anonymous No.1720381]

Sometimes I wonder, why did deathmatch, of all things, become the go-to generic FPS game mode?

Was it just the simplicity of it? The fact that it worked well with every FPS? I'd expect capture the flag or something to become the most popular, honestly, just because of people's familiarity with the concept, but that's not how it ended up. What's /vr/'s opinion on the matter?

[Anonymous No.1720382]

>>1720381
Well, ya see, in Doom, ya shoot shit with big guns and they explode.

And, well, son, in Deathmatch, y'know, ya shoot shit with big guns and they explode. So, uh, yeah.

[Anonymous No.1720383]

>>1720381
The few times I play modern FPS, I always gravitate towards CTF. Too much good times with Unreal Tournament, Fortress Forever, SourceForts etc.

[Anonymous No.1720403]

>>1720383
I usually gravitate toward TDM/CTF

Battlefield games though... Rush is a good mode. UT did a similar thing with assault. Only the assault maps had varying objectives. Was neat, but a little cumbersome in UT. The standardization in battlefield made it a bit more smooth of an experience

[Anonymous No.1720410]

>>1720369

Personally I really enjoyed Spear of destiny but my memories are too hazy to properly tell why.

I remember some of the level design being really interesting. Well, within the limits of what you can reasonably expect from wolfenstein 3D.

[Anonymous No.1720471]

>>1720350
They're not all by the same person.

[Anonymous No.1720521]

>>1720410
>>1720369
If you like Wolf then you'd like Spear.

[Anonymous No.1720552]

>>1719762
>>1719763
God, I would love to see this.

[Anonymous No.1720640]

http://gamesdonequick.com/schedule

>Friday, June 27, 2014 12:33:30 PM

Ah well, seems like I'll be missing this due to my job no matter what.

[Anonymous No.1720658]

>>1720160
Why is it bullshit?

[Anonymous No.1720661]

>>1720640
>job

[Anonymous No.1720662]

>>1720334
What sort of attacks would make good add ons to the cyberdemon? I've seen some experiment with grenades as well as missles, and a stop move, what about things like lazer beam eyes ore fire breath?

[Anonymous No.1720663]

>>1720662
A spread shot.

[Anonymous No.1720667]

>>1717397
the fuck is with your legs, cyberdemon? cerebral palsy?

[Anonymous No.1720675]

>>1720667
>what are digitigrade legs

[Anonymous No.1720678]

>>1720471
One of them isn't (included it by mistake - still great art though), the rest are though.

[Anonymous No.1720684]

So how well can doom handel destructable environments and set pieces?

[Anonymous No.1720716]

>>1720684
Probably decently, you'd just have to tag a hitbox onto a wall and then put it somewhere that wouldn't completely fuck a sector's geometry. Of course that's in basic terms, I'm sure coding it would be a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.1720719]

>>1720658
IIRC it was tons of hitscanners and no health pickups which was largely a problem because the map before it was kinda hard. So not really bullshit just HAERD

[Anonymous No.1720734]

>>1720716
I'm thinking a version of the original Cyberdemon fight, but with him smashing the giant pillars you use as cover

[Anonymous No.1720741]

>>1720734
Easiest way to do that is just have the pillars lower when a projectile hits their linedefs. Add a sound effect, maybe screen quake, maybe even throw some dust puff actors around and it should look pretty presentable.

[Anonymous No.1720743]

>>1720741
Thanks, any worries about accitentially making that happen with a pistol shot?

[Anonymous No.1720761]

>>1720743
Shoot, if ActivatorTID doesn't return anything on projectile impact you might need a giant invisible actor or something.

[Anonymous No.1720786]

>>1720684
>>1720684
Apparently pretty well since Aliens TC did it back in Ninety-Four.

[Anonymous No.1720805]

>SGDQ using zdoom
I thought they used Chocolate Doom for this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.1720819]

>>1720805
Source?

[Anonymous No.1720820]

>>1720805
zdoom window title showed up during the setup for the heretic run going on right now

[Anonymous No.1720830]

>>1720761
I have an idea. Layer of wall around the pillard has its own hit boxes, that can be destryed,once that layer is sifficiently damaged it triggers the lowering and rumble and smoke effect

[Anonymous No.1720835]

>>1720820
oh shit did i just miss heretic
fuck

[Anonymous No.1720850]

>We got a shoutout.

[Anonymous No.1720852]

>>1720182
ffffffff

i mean i know how to setup a virtual machine but god damn is that really the only way to do it

[Anonymous No.1720859]

>>1720850
Who is that guy?

[Anonymous No.1720867]

>>1720663
FD has that

[Anonymous No.1720891]

>>1720662
Weaker but slightly homing missiles (you can make him pause a bit and roar before firing like the mancubus to make it more fair)

Use Thing_ProjectileIntercept on and some decorate magic instead of normal firing on some of his rockets so circle strafing is harder

make his rockets blow up on proximity to the player so he can hurt you around corners

[Anonymous No.1720898]

>>1720663
>>1720891
So less, adding more things, but giving him more to do with his rockets, make him rocket master

[Anonymous No.1720918]

>>1720898
Yeah, I think the core concept of a big bad demon with a big bad rocket launcher should be retained.

Thinking about it, I like the proximity rockets idea more and more myself.

[Anonymous No.1720935]

>>1720852
Fret not anon as in an old thread about FPS games in general some kind anon made a posted a Win98 VM that can be easily setup using VMWare.

http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1686862/#1691793

Figure could give that a try before trying to just setup your own VM if anything.

[Anonymous No.1721038]

>some Doom RL
>Onyx Armor with a power mod
>Plasmar rifle with firestorm and ammochain perks.
>go into the unholy cathedral
>reduced to gentle hugging and cheek-pinches in the middle of hell.

[Anonymous No.1721052]

>>1721038

[Anonymous No.1721058]

>>1721038
I have a maxed red aura (4x damage infinite ammo) and a high-power minigun. It kills cyberdemons in a fraction of a second.

[Anonymous No.1721080]

>>1717397

>/idgames torrent (as of Nov.25, 2013; 12 GBs of wads, 18 years worth of user-made content!)

But just how many of them are Terry wads?

[Anonymous No.1721084]

Brutal Doom

[Anonymous No.1721089]

>>1721080

Probably quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.1721096]

One thing I'd love is if there were an opengl film grain shader to be used with gzdoom.

[Anonymous No.1721123]

the end of demonHQ with O6's SKY3 looks glorious. good job guys

[Anonymous No.1721125]

>>1721123
please tell me I can get this map soon

[Anonymous No.1721126]

What's a good co-op campaign?

[Anonymous No.1721140]

>>1721125
i'd like to get the wad finished by the end of june. it's a speedmapping pack, we shouldn't be spending more than a month on it. thankfully most of the work is done, i'm just polishing at this stage.

[Anonymous No.1721152]

>>1721126

Also how easy to setup with GZdoom?

[Anonymous No.1721159]

>>1721152
If you use something like ZDL it should be fairly easy to setup GZDoom for co-op, however it's not advised if you're doing this over the net. If you're playing on a local network then you should be fine with GZDoom

[Anonymous No.1721165]

>>1720684
Pretty well, if you rig things right. Remove the impact flag from all player weapons, make explosions fire a spread of minimal range hitscan shots with the impact flag, set the destructible walls to lower really fast upon impact. Boom, walls that get "destroyed" when shot with rockets.

[Anonymous No.1721176]

>>1721140
Which reminds me...
I wanted to use a stupid old classical midi for MAP10. So...

Swan Lake Motha Fucka:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/sv22odj63dvzk4t/sw*nl*k*M*th*F*ck*.mid

Credit: Frankie Ho, downloaded from http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com

People using classical midis in the 90s due to how readily available they were always amused me, and I've always liked swan lake.

[Anonymous No.1721201]

>>1721176
haha did mediafire censor the filename?

just let me make sure: by map 10 you mean Junxion, the map with the rising pillar sequence?

[Anonymous No.1721219]

Is there no way to get Metroid Dreadnought to work on GZDoom? I got the latest version from SVN but it doesn't load the game properly (no samus control)

[Anonymous No.1721221]

>>1720661

>no job

right back at ya, sweet buns

[Anonymous No.1721226]

>>1721058
He is talking about the actual roguelike I think.

[Anonymous No.1721227]

>>1721201
Yeah. If you're moving it I guess it wouldn't be map10 anymore. Junxion

[Anonymous No.1721240]

>>1721226
..fuck you're right. I've been playing RLA way too fucking much the past days. DRL is great too, I love the entirely perk-based leveling system in particular.

[Anonymous No.1721247]

>>1721240
I love DRLA/M DRPG, but the inventory system kinda makes me want to stomp puppies.

And after a few hundred hours in the "real" Doom Roguelike, I never got annoyed at the obfuscation of mechanics for some reason, but in the game for some reason it pisses me off...

Speaking of, what does Overcharge System do?

[ClosetMapGuy No.1721269]

>>1720201
My version coming up is gonna have a hidden ice beam

[Anonymous No.1721271]

>>1721247
I think DRPG is good in theory, but it's way too bloated with uninituitive and frankly unneeded features imho. Like stims, shields, and augs.

[Anonymous No.1721280]

>>1721089

let's get real and less fucking paranoid; about less than 5% of the /idgames stuff are intentionally shitty wads

[IMX !!9/alULWmsW5 No.1721281]

Making new thread

[ClosetMapGuy No.1721287]

>>1721269
Also I'm currently working on expanding the abandoned base sector.

[iSpook No.1721303]

>>1721271

I'm sorry but how does this hurt DRPG in anyway? It's not like you're forced to use Stims, shields and augs.

[Anonymous No.1721306]

>>1721271
>>1721303
Actually it is %99 fault of UI, something like that >>1720380 would make them feel less tacked on when you don't suffer to reach/use them.

[Anonymous No.1721308]

>>1721280

And more than 85% of the /idgames stuff are unintentionally shitty wads.

[Anonymous No.1721314]

>>1721308

Oh dear, most of the people in the world do not map like the mappers I like

Jesus wept

[Anonymous No.1721320]

>>1721227
yes, i thought i was done with the map order but >>1720275 etc. convinced me otherwise. however, in this case, turns out you're still map10, so whatever.

[Anonymous No.1721323]

>>1721314

Uh, sure, we'll go with that.

[Anonymous No.1721328]

>>1721306
i think the guy is working on a mouse menu

[Anonymous No.1721331]

>>1721303
Things ought to be boiled down and focused to achieve whatever goal it sets out to do as efficiently as possible. DRPG has a lot of things that in my opinion don't really add anything, and I'd prefer if there were fewer and more advanced/thought out features than a myriad of simple ones that together form a complex mess so to speak.

[Anonymous No.1721337]

>>1721331
That said, I have to stress I do like drpg and have spent many hours playing it and DRLA recently.

[IMX !!9/alULWmsW5 No.1721347]

NEW THREAD

>>1721339
>>1721339
>>1721339

Now, on to watch SGDQ and figure out how in the name of fuck a non-Doom speedrunner won against a Plutonia WR holder

[Anonymous No.1721882]

>>1721176
speaking of MIDIs, where do you guys get all yours? Paysites? I've been trying to find where that bastard who made Two Hundred Minutes of Tech got the Around the World MIDI and I can't.

[Anonymous No.1721920]

>>1718253
Mugshot

[Anonymous No.1721923]

>>1721920