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previous thread: >>1688638

These threads are for the civil discussion of CRT displays (TVs and monitors) as used for retro video games and systems allowed by the board rules in the current sticky (>>1392415). Subtopics *directly* related to this main topic are welcome.

Cheers! /crt/ go go go!


>> No.1709871

I really wish rednecks in my area would stop taking all the free TVs so they can harvest the copper out of them.

>> No.1709904

My BVM has two RGB inputs on the back. One says analog and one says digital. What do I do?

>> No.1709907


Analog → Consoles, Amiga, Atari ST
Digital → CGA/EGA/Commodore 128

>> No.1709921

fuck you

>> No.1709945

Can anyone give me any more information about the TV in >>1709472

>> No.1709950

what more do you want? you didn't provide any useful information other than the brand name.

get the model number and we can help

>> No.1709953

Well, that is what I was wondering really. I was hoping someone would know the model just by looking at the picture.

>> No.1709954

Stop ruining perfectly good electronics for a few ounces of copper.

Dude, just get it. It's free, the worst that'll happen is you'll have to figure out a way to get rid of it if it doesn't work or you don't like it. Get it before some asshole looking to pull the copper out takes it!

>> No.1709957


Just look at the back of the TV, it's usually written.

>> No.1709962


It's hard to tell except in rare instances, because several different models with different features can use the same/similar casing. Most of us aren't crazy enough to know which is which just from a look at the case (although I feel I could generally spot a good Sony just by looking at it).

>> No.1709979 [DELETED] 

>Stop ruining perfectly good electronics for a few ounces of copper

my landlord (underneath me) put his 36" sony crt out on the curb last month

i saw an older black man looking at it, i walked out on my porch to tell him it worked great!

>imma just take the metal out the back

i told him to fuck off and dragged the tv two feet back onto my yard

tv was in piece the next morning

>> No.1710002

>Stop ruining perfectly good electronics for a few ounces of copper

my landlord (underneath me) put his 36" sony crt out on the curb last month
i saw an older black man looking at it, i walked out on my porch to tell him it worked great!

>imma just take the metal out the back

i told him to fuck off and dragged the tv two feet back onto my yard

tv was in pieces the next morning, he sure showed me

>> No.1710043

I see giant trinitrons for sale on cheap / free just because these things weigh as much as a person.

>> No.1710253

I got a Sony wega 20' at goodwill yesterday for $20.I haven't played around with it yet, but I hooked my original xbox to it and it looked great.

>> No.1710420
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Does anyone with a PVM or BVM and an N64 mind taking some hi-res shots of games? Preferably with S-video or modded RGB, of course.

This is on my Sony WEGA. I'd like to see how they compare.

>> No.1710683

Don't N64s output native RGB if you have the proper cable, though?

>> No.1710694

No, you have to mod it and preferably add an amplifier to get a bright image or else the picture is going to be pretty dark.

I have yet to mod mine, I haven't received my resistors and pcb board yet.

>> No.1710712

Yes, the N64 outputs RGB. However, the reason for the RGB amp is that the N64's video output is rather weak. Some displays might not need the amp, but you'll end up turning the brightness and contrast of your display all the way up to compensate. The amp is cheap, so you might as well just do it.

>> No.1710763

Purposely buying outdated hardware just for the sake of reflecting what gaming in the 90s was like slightly more accurately is a thing?

>> No.1710764

Is there any real advantage of having CRT with curved face instead of flat? Like, is there any factor like sharpness or whatever which makes one be better than the other one?

>> No.1710770

>Purposely buying superior hardware is a thing?

>> No.1710780
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>mfw at my job there's an old PVM Trinitron professional monitor in lovely condition sitting in the back room
>we never use it for anything and it never will be used for anything
>mfw I can't buy it because it's property of the county and can't be sold to county employees like myself

Literally suffering because my boss wishes he could give it to me.

>> No.1710782
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I'm trying to take some decent photos with my iphone and it's not really working out, this is my n64 connected with s-video to my pvm 20m4u.

Obligatory pics not doing the screen justice disclaimer. It really is a beautiful picture.

>> No.1710787


A curved CRT will have less geometrical issues than a flat one for obvious reasons.

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>> No.1710791


Idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.

If it were about nostalgia we wouldn't be using high quality RGB monitors and instead using crappy 80s TV sets with RF input only.

>> No.1710793

1. not always or even most of the time
2. someone asking that question is not going to find the answer obvious

>> No.1710802

So what's the motivation?

>> No.1710803
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S-video looks so nice I honestly don't think I'll bother doing the rgb mod. I'd love to see a good comparison between s-video and rgb on the same setup.

>> No.1710808

Well it auto-rotated my pics and I'm really not sure how to edit them so fuck it.

>> No.1710809


Near perfect quality low resolution image you can't get on LCDs.

>> No.1710810

Playing muh favourite games in the original hardware with the best picture quality possible. I think.

>> No.1711037

So work around it and tell a friend or relative to buy it for you.

>> No.1711056

It's worse in the McArthur Park area here in Los Angeles.

>almost new looking CRT on the curve
>look at connections
>ooh nice, 4 S-Video and Composite combos
>lift it and notice the power wire was missing


>> No.1711072

Curved CRT owner here, flat hurts my eyes a fuck ton more for some reason.

>> No.1711090

That's a really easy fix.

>> No.1711119

Oh no, it's just straight up property of the college I work at. The higher ups who I don't even know who are involved with the actual budget shit would not only not give someone the time of day to listen to someone wanting to buy the thing, I'm actually told by my boss that school property also counts as public property. (I should have said public before instead of county)

There's paperwork and shit, and they must be sold off at a public auction. Direct sale isn't possible. If I ever found out that it was being sold off, you bet your ass I'd have a friend come bid for me to get that shit. Believe me, I've bugged my boss a lot about this, I can't get it.

Though, we have a lot of free time, I may bring in my SNES and ask them if I can whip out the PVM for me and my coworkers to play some games.

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>4 S-Video
Shit thats a lot of S-Video.

If I still had a copy of Conker's lying around, I'd take some for you.

Might take some pictures of Pokemon Stadium or something later. Still need to sort through all these older photos though.

>> No.1711149

What camera do you use to take those pictures? I want to take some photos too but I can't get good pictures of the screen no matter what I try.

>> No.1711158
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Not him, but I use my cellphone camera, a Samsung Galaxy S4 to be exact. You just gotta have a steady hand, have the lights off, and maybe mess with the settings. For instance, my camera app has a setting that's suppose to account for 60Hz banding, which helps to prevent dark bands from appearing in the picture.

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An 8 or so year old point'n'shoot.
Kodak Easyshare m863 to be specific.
It doesn't do the picture justice by any means.

When I go to take photos, I try to have the CRT be the only source of light in the room; Both to avoid reflections as well as keep noise in the CRT portion of the picture to a minimum. Setting it into low ISO mode also helps.

Eventually you (at least I did) get a feel for both your camera and the CRT itself.

And remember to turn flash off.

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>only other picture of OoT that came out semi alright was of the rupee counter
Still bothers me.

>> No.1711214

Do any of you guys watch tv series or chinese cartoons in your PVM's on RGB??

I'm finding hard to do this, I don't have a PC capable of displaying at 15hz, my NTSC Wii won't display RGB, I don't want to burn CDs to watch them on my Dreamcast, is the PS2 my best shot? Can the Xbox output RGB?

Sorry for naming so many non retro consoles, but I would really like to watch old anime on my PVM-2030

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Black Panasonic Tau 20" for $20 - I should jump on it, right? I've heard good things about these TVs, just haven't found one nearby until now. If it's that size and has s-vid and component I'll be all over it.

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>my NTSC Wii won't display RGB
Pretty sure softmodding can fix that.

I've watched stuff on mine using a PS2 and PS3 over component, but to be entirely honest, I don't want to put anymore wear on the tube than I have to.

>> No.1711249

>I don't want to put anymore wear on the tube than I have to.

The thing isn't going to just up and die on you, is it? I thought these things were supposed to be more reliable than that.

>> No.1711256

-Low-res games look orders of magnitude better
-They don't have motion blur which is extremely noticeable in side scrolling games (99% of retro games)
-They have next to no input lag (retro games are a nightmare with even slightly laggy controls)

>> No.1711260

What do you mean by wear? Making it input 480i could actually wear the tube?

Also unfortunately my 2030 doesn't have component inputs, just S-Video, Composite and RGB through a D25 connector.

>> No.1711273
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No, but more use puts more wear on the tube(of which I have no idea how much it received before I got it), and I'd rather dedicate it to video games like I bought it for.

This is partially because I like to leave stuff on in the background while doing other stuff.

Any use will put wear on tube; That's why people try to find sets with lower hours on them.

It's a bit extreme, but I just don't see the point in putting extra hours on it when videos and stuff look good enough on my other CRTs; Particularly the HS420 because of the progressive scan.

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Sup, I posted earlier in this thread (>>1709945)
It turns out the model of the TV is a Mitsubishi CS-3115R
Can anyone tell me anything about this? Is it any good or is it just another $5 thrift store trash CRT?

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>> No.1711546

Can't say anything from experience but I've heard the Tau series was very high-end back in the day so it probably has a pretty good picture.

Age and use can be a huge factor there, but 20 bucks isn't a huge wash either way.

>> No.1712012

Bugging your boss about it was the wrong thing to do.
You should have just taken it, If it's truly lying there unused and has been for years, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

>> No.1712034

This, it may sound wrong but it is how it works, 5 years ago when I was working at McDonals, I found a 3 SNES and a N64 in a lonely forgotten corner on the top of the stock room, those were the ones that kids played in the playroom in the 90's, they were probably stored there for years long forgotten, that N64 even had an expansion pak, I just simply took them and nobody gave a shit about them, I think they didn't even know they where still there.

I sold two of those SNES and kept one, that N64 is now properly RGB modded and connected to my TV right now.

>> No.1712318


Just talked to the seller and s-video is the highest quality thing it has. Still, that's pretty good for a set of that size (one I can pretty easily move around if I need to). It also looks pretty nice when most TVs in the early 00s had that ugly silver shit look.

>> No.1712321

i see this in every /crt/ general and i have the incredible urge to print it at highres (which you generously provided) and make posters. proper posters.

if i ever do i'll make a bunch and only charge shipping if you want one

i actually really like that idea with a lot of the pics we get in these threads.

some day i'll do it.

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Friendly reminder that he consoles which name appear in pic related don't need to be modded to output RGB natively.

>> No.1712783

I have done some research but have come up short for what I am looking for- I was hoping you guy's could help me.

Recently bought a house in which I can finally bring out all my old-school systems. I started the process of looking for a good, old TV to the play them on like the ones I had a kid.

Anyway, I had no idea there was so much involved in CRT TVs. I plan on hooking up a NES, SNES, N64, GC and Playstation 2 (also a VCR and DVD player).

What are the pros and cons between what I will call a "round-corner" tube TV and the flat-screen ones? Also, as a kid I just daisy-chained the RF-connecters...what would be a better way to hook up all those consoles- I mean, obviously I will need to bring in a multi-in type adapter...

There is a Sony Trinitron Wega nearby- KV32FS100...any thoughts on this TV for my purposes?

>> No.1712806

We should make a wiki page on the Game Tech wiki with reviews and recommendations for CRTs, so noobs know what to look for. Or hell, even our own.

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>> No.1712997

If this is your first hobby CRT, you will be surprised at the performance s-video can offer.

>> No.1713018


S-Video unless you go want to buy a transcoder(In order to use it with a Component capable TV), in which case RGB


S-Video unless you feel like dropping $100+ on the component cables. An older Wii can serve that purpose if you really want component.


>KV 32FS100
Assuming it's in good condition, it'd be pretty damn great. It's a newer model, so you shouldn't have to worry about the picture being too soft or anything. I'm going to suggest, from personal experience, that you make sure to check how high the brightness is cranked up in the menu and if it's set high to make sure the picture looks alright with it set to ~50% or lower; I didn't with my 24FS100 and as such it's really only usable at near max brightness.

I'd also like to warn you, if you aren't already aware, that that specific model weighs just shy of 170lbs so be sure you know where you'll want it to be for the next century or so.

How much are they asking for it?

Seconding this; RGB/Component look wonderful, especially on high end displays, but the quality jump from S-Video to said signals is nowhere near as great as the one from Composite to S-Vid. Hell, comb filters on newer sets can make composite look pretty damn snazzy in it's own right.

>> No.1713032

Even with the digital comb filters, NES and Genesis still look pretty ass on composite. Not that I really mind, but artifacts are still obvious. SNES and up look alright, though.

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I'm saying comparatively.

This is over RF for example.

I still don't have anything better for any of my Gene/Drives. How much would be a good price for a Model 1 SCART cable.

>> No.1713116

I've seen em go from 16 dollars to 69 fucking dollars, but apparently that one was weaved with gold fibers or something like that.

>> No.1713129

15-25 dollars approximately, depends on if it has the audio pin jack for stereo sound or if its just the video cable.

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I'd want stereo, so it'd probably be towards the higher end. Thanks

Component on the same TV. 32FS13 to be specific.

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>have Sony WEGA with component ports
>want to take advantage of SNES RGB
>buy transcoder, SCART cable, and SCART switch
>spend about $100 overall
>glorious visual quality for a few weeks
>eventually start losing color channels randomly
>determine that the component ports desoldered
>mfw forced to fall back to S-video

>> No.1713324

You could always make your own cable.

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I have an old DELL PC CRT,

Whenever i press the power button it turns on but as soon as i release the button it turns off again, like some sort of protection going off, weird thing is that if i keep the power button pressed the monitor stays on and working like normal but there is a constant *click* sound coming from inside , what could be causing this ?

>> No.1713363

That's a thought, and is a neat idea, but I'm not exactly sure what I would need in order to put it together, or where to order said parts from.

Cost of getting the tools together(mainly a soldering iron) would make it more expensive than just buying one, but would give me another excuse to buy one. Main reason I've been procrastinating is not knowing which one to get. I've had some people say that any old one will do (such as the ~$15 Radio Shack model) while others claim that it will only lead to trouble and to get a more expensive one, never actually suggesting a better model though.

>> No.1713371

Is a Sony PVM20M2U any good? Someone on CL is selling one for about $100.

>> No.1713402

Assuming it's in good condition, yes. I have the medical variant of it.

$100 is alright, but try to see if you might be able to talk them down a bit.

>> No.1713535


I know that feel, the soldering job on those Wega's component ports is abysmal. I've had several fuck up on me.

>> No.1713581

Just get rid of the damned thing. It's beyond economic repair, and you'll likely kill yourself if you try to work on it yourself. CRTs should not be fucked with, and even when you know how to service them, it's seldom worth the effort.

>> No.1713601

>>1711217 here, I went and got the Tau. It's really nice, great sound and good picture. Unfortunately I don't have any s-video cables for my consoles yet. I'm going to get some for my wii to test out emulation.

>> No.1713663

Hey, does anyone here have experience with Ikegami monitors? How do they compare to a Trinitron?

>> No.1714026

Shit, the tau has a rather badly twisted picture. The picture is actually perfectly centered, and would be fine if it weren't for the twisting. How do I fix?

>> No.1714425

IIRC Ikegamis use aperture grilles just like the Trinitron and Diamondtron lines. From what I've read about them, they are top tier monitors. If you can grab one for cheap, jump on that shit.

>> No.1714431

I just don't care anymore.

>> No.1714482

Try to look for a rotation setting in the menu. At +5 degrees to the right my wega turns level. If not look into secret menus or analog adjustment.

or you could turn the lights off and throw some cardboard under one side.

>> No.1714484

>8: BLUE

>> No.1714651

>as soon as i release the button it turns off again
>if i keep the power button pressed the monitor stays on and working like normal but there is a constant *click* sound coming from inside

The power switch isn't latching properly to hold the contacts together. By holding the switch in, you're forcing the contacts together by hand but this isn't a solid connection and that causes arcing (the clicking sounds).

Latching power switches are readily available to replace your faulty one. You'll need to look at the old one to determine what model you need. A new one will need to be soldered and mounted in the old one's place.

Do be extremely careful. As a high voltage appliance, a CRT is dangerous to work on.

>> No.1714676

In other words, forget about that monitor and just look up another one on craigslist or your nearest flea market or thrift store. With how cheap these things are these days, it is absolutely NOT worth the risk trying to fix it, especially if it's just a regular run-of-the-mill Dell CRT.

>> No.1714694

I really don't know why people would want to play videogames or watch tv on a display with shitty, blurry, rounded images.

>> No.1714710

You don't understand.
A good CRT isn't going to have any of those problems. Old video games, however, will have ALL of those problems when displayed on a modern HD screen.

>> No.1714715

Hey man, if you can fix something why not try? It's easy to work on CRT's without risking your life, just don't be a dumbass and know what you're doing. With the Internet as big as it is nowdays you can learn how to do just about anything in a matter of minutes depending on the subject.

Here's a vid on how to discharge a CRT. Now if you're still scared to fix it just make sure not to touch the wrong damn part.

>> No.1714716

I suck. Didn't even quote or post the link.

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Anyone know where to go about acquiring a Playstation 1 SCART cable?
Google revealed a list of third party cables that'd fit the bill, but the manufacturers are all seemingly defunct with their products having entirely vanished from the consumer web. All that's left are the ever-present Chinkanese bootlegs which only carry Component video, not RGB.

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>> No.1715205

Have you tried ebay? They're common as fuck.

>> No.1715253

retro_game_accessories on eBay is pretty popular for scart cables
just got a Saturn and ps1 cable from them. Looking good and the sound is clean. I was afraid third party cables would carry shit sound cause my third party svideo cables had a hum on the audio. These scart cables caused no hum.

>> No.1715289


But nigga, that looks AMAZING for RF!

>> No.1715292

Hey /vr/.

This has been annoying me for a while.
I have two NTSC consoles plugged via SCART (PS1 and SNES).
When I plug them with said cables, I see the image in color.
When I plug them with RCA via RCA-to-SCART adapters, I get black and white video.

Is it safe to assume the consoles are emitting pure RGB then?

>> No.1715328

PS1 and SNES output pure RGB.
RetroRGB has a lot of good info about different consoles.

>> No.1715331

Not entirely accurate, I might add.

>> No.1715334


RCA carries a composite signal. A composite signal need to have colors encoded in a certain way, unlike RGB that is pure Red, Blue and Green signal like EVERY TV use internally. If you're using an Euro TV, it might only accept PAL, and not NTSC. Thus, if you feed it with an NTSC signal, it couldn't decode the colors, and then only display luma.
That's why you get colors in RGB (only the sync that changes between and RGB signal coming from an NTSC or PAL console) but not composite (It's the encoding AND the sync that change).

>> No.1715448


I'm taking that as a "yes". The TV is PAL AFAIK (composite PAL is interpreted in color, composite NTSC is in black and white).
Thanks anon.

>> No.1715471

This, exactly. If I recall correctly there IS a way to display colours, but it involves a breadboard and a couple oscillometers. Lemme see if I can dig up some info on that.

>> No.1715474

There you go.

>> No.1715475

I have a FD Wega KV-27fs100. I've been playing PS1 games with a PS2, and I noticed that image seems skinny like circles are ovals. Is there any way to fix this?

>> No.1715483

Not that guy but nope. Totally useless if you're going to play in RGB anyway, as will fuck up both RGB and 50hz composite.

>> No.1715496


I fiddled around with the service menu and there was nothing for tilt. Hopefully there's a potentiometer or something for making internal adjustments, otherwise I'm going to have to fuck with the yoke, which I don't want to do.

>> No.1715551

Would you be so kind and give a link to said user?
I am too dumb to search for users/shops.

>> No.1715572 [DELETED] 

Looks like I fucked up the name
Woops I fucked up on the name.

>> No.1715574 [DELETED] 

I fucked up the name.
Woops I fucked up on the name.

>> No.1715576

Woops I fucked up on the name.

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2 ways are possible:
Convert S-Video/Composite to RGB and maybe back to S-Video/Composite in a another format, all this together in a external box.
Or modify the TV set, you need to know how exactly S-Video/Composite is processed (study schematics/datasheets) to add the support for the other formats.

The NES in Brazil has a extra converter board installed which takes normal NTSC and converts it to PAL-M
I guess it separates composite into Y/C and demodulates C, phase shifts it by 180° every 2nd line and remodulates with the PAL-M subcarrier, then mix it back to composite.

sauce of pic:

>> No.1715697

I really like these CRT designs that are more box shaped, almost makes me want a Sony BVM/PVM.

>> No.1715718

>most TVs in the early 00s had that ugly silver shit look.
Nothing a piece of Sandpaper and Spray Paint can't solve.

>> No.1715735

>S-Video unless you feel like dropping $100+ on the component cables. An older Wii can serve that purpose if you really want component.
Why didn't they just put the chip in the console instead of on the cable? I was about to spring £60 on one of these back in the day just before the Wii launched.

>> No.1715796

You'd have to go on the service menu to adjust the geometry settings. However, keep in mind some PS1 games only displayed something like 224 lines, with the rest being overscanned. Fixing the issue to circles look like circles might result in obvious letterboxing.

>> No.1715846

It was cheaper to put the DAC in the cable for those that would want that video option rather than put it into all the systems and raising the cost.

>> No.1715958

How good are Phillips and Panasonics compared to Sony CRTs?
In my area I can only find CRTs of those companies

>> No.1716317

Tried eBay but all I can see are the aforementioned chinkanese bootlegs.

But I guess I wasn't searching hard enough.
Thanks man.

>> No.1716421

ffs, there is much more to what makes a TV good than just using aperture grille vs. shadow mask. It is true that many of the best TVs are Sony-made, but rival manufacturers made some great sets as well. Very few brands are inherently good or inherently shit, it varies between models. Panasonic was and still is one of the better Japanese manufacturers, and Philips was one of the few non-Asian companies that didn't die off from the Japanese manufacturers undercutting their business in the 80s. You'll find good sets from both.

>> No.1716428

They're fine.

>> No.1716623

>Looking for HD CRT for current gen consoles because fuck flat panels
>There's a 30" Philips about ten minutes away from me for $30
>There's also a XBR960 (i.e. what I've heard is the best HD CRT ever made) about two hours away, for $150
>Can't decide if convenience and low price over quality

I know what the obvious choice is but I just can't decide.

>> No.1716646

you know you'll end up spending an hour trying to decide, just get the good one

also you'll always wonder how good the other one is when using the cheaper one, which will make it feel worse

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Playing some Arc II.

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>> No.1716735

>not buying both
Seriously, buy the Sony, those things are gems
And it's cheap as hell

>> No.1716920

Well, I did it /CRT.

This is the best damn emulation setup I've ever put together.

Got a 34" XBR910 hooked up to a PC through DVI and using SCP PS3 to run wireless controllers through retroarch.

Took me a minute to get retroarch configured up right with the hard gpu sync and a few other tweaks but it's nice.

The picture is fucking beautiful, the input lag is all of about a frame behind and in exchange it can run damn near everything with all the convenience of a modern setup.

>> No.1716938

Mind taking some pics if you can?

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I can, but my old cellphone camera won't do the tv justice and my game room is a fucking mess.

I'll post one or two just to prove that I'm not making shit up though.

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And fuck it. I need a real camera.

>> No.1717016

I know it's not related, but how is that Pelican arcade stick?
Have you been able to compare it to others?

>> No.1717118

It's decent. Not great, not terrible. That one is more of a shmup stick. Clicky concave buttons and the joystick has a pretty well defined on / off.

Compared to the hori, where the buttons are extremely convex and extremely light to the touch.

>> No.1717120


not extremely.

>> No.1717134

Have you considered modding it with IL parts? Seems like it'd be perfect for it.

>> No.1717165

> -They don't have motion blur which is extremely noticeable in side scrolling games (99% of retro games)

This is why anyone who is a gamer or watches sports regularly should buy a plasma HDTV and not an LCD/LED HDTV.

Plasmas come closest to emulating real-life image quality for less cost at the 42"+ size, but early models that suffered from burn in and a rep that they will fizzle out in 5 years did them in.

Will still look shitty when displaying low-res games, though.

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>tfw my crt can't display dark areas properly

Even at maximum brightness it is hell to play games like MGS in it, dark areas are too fucking dark, what do?

>> No.1717265

>help dark areas are dark

in all seriousness, either try adjusting contrast or gamma (if available), otherwise how old is it? crts will slowly lose their overall brightness over time

>> No.1717268

Change the gamma?

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My camera sucks, but this right here is some good shit.

>> No.1718415

I actually modded it from an og xbox into a 360. Took out the xbox controller board and soldered the stick and buttons onto a wired 360 pcb.

>Modding it with IL parts
Never have. Those look pretty neat and looking at them, they would be a simple direct swap.

>> No.1718581

Can anyone tell me why /crt/ prefers CRT televisions? I'm wanting an honest answer, I'm not sure why people have the preference. Is it for the retro factor? Is it for better color quality? I'm honestly not sure.

>> No.1718604


>Is it for better color quality?

Yes, but not only. Better motion quality, better contrasts, it display the resolutions correctly (not all systems have square pixels).

>> No.1718607

I'd liken it to vinyl on records - it's just the way it was meant to be played. Plus, RGB inputs. Also, light gun games only work on CRTs.

>> No.1718850

I want to use CRT emudriver with a PC but I don't have a PVM or an arcade monitor. What would be the best CRT_emudriver compatible graphics card to get that can output composite/s-video? Or should I get an external adapter that converts VGA into comp/s-vid?

>> No.1718854


There's a lot of reasons.

The older hardware was extremely limited in it's processing power. They had to be built around the display devices to get decent performance out of them.

Part of that design is that the console runs in sync with the display at a constant 60fps. All your input on the gamepad responds on the same frame that it was received in and there's no perceivable delay between your input and the game responding.

Some of this stuff is starting to get used again in the form of nvidia gsync and in the oculus rift and VR. Oculus is working on OLED screens because the latency from current LCD's was too much for VR.

Why that matters so much is because older games were designed for that hardware. They have gameplay elements that are time critical and require very precise input. They also have many scrolling images that will be unintentionally blurred by an LCD.

Just two side notes:
The pixel change times listed on most LCD monitors is basically an outright lie. If you are looking for a good LCD (Or want to see what the timing differences really are) there is a good website called displaylag that tests monitors and publishes there response times.

Plasmas are something of a middle ground. They work by slightly updating the entire screen very frequently. The 600hz refresh rate that they advertise is how fast the subfield drive runs, and isn't how fast it can draw the new image. There is some benefit to it since your eye can see the partial new image being drawn very quickly but they can still have a lot of delay from the digital signal processing.

You have to shop around with plasmas because some will work very well and others will not. Even along the same brands and lines, one of the panasonic models was particularly good for gaming and the next model year of it was terrible due to extra signal processing that couldn't be disabled.

>> No.1718867

You're better off getting a good CRT computer monitor and using that. Or using a wii for emulation on a regular tv.

The external adapters aren't particularly good and CRT_Emudriver works on the vga port not the tv out. You'd need to know how to wire up your tv to vga.

Your other option is to get an HD CRT with hdmi or dvi. It won't be quite as good for retro, but it hooks up to a PC much easier and it's still a big improvement over an lcd. (No blurring, some but usually much less input lag)

>> No.1718941

Motherfucker, looks like someone bought the XBR960 that was a few hours away from me. Guess I'll have to settle for the Philips or a 300lb 40" XBR that's an hour away if I want an HD CRT.

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>300lb 40" XBR
I can feel my back breaking just thinking about it.

>> No.1719125

Looks better and performs better.

>> No.1719153


Yeah, I've heard horror stories about those things. I'd need at least three people to help move it if I go for that one.

>> No.1719546

I've been looking for an NEC XM29 for ages and just found one on craigslist...on the other side of the country.

I'm going to ask him if it would be at all possible for him to find a way to ship it to me, which I very much doubt he'll agree with given the cost and complications associated with shipping something like that. The only other option I can think of is is figuring out if there's some kind of intermediary I can have pick it up for me and then ship it to me.

Alternatively if there's anyone in these threads with an XM29 who would be willing to sell and ship it or someone with one who lives in New York state with one then I could come and get it. I doubt it though, these things seem to be fairly elusive. Guess I'll just have to get ready to jump on the next one to pop up on ebay.

>> No.1720347

Found a sony kv-28dx750.
Don't really know much about crts but it seems to be hd. If you hook it up to a computer and use it for emulation instead of hooking up the actual console is there much difference between hd and sd?

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Something really fun happened to me while I was playing Sonic 1 during its anniversary. I was in Marble Zone, the part where you push the big block on the button to make the spike platform go up. I don't know what I did, but I got the engine to glitch really bad by panning up the screen (presumably to lock on the upper area) and have Sonic to get killed by thin air.

Also, any shadow mask bros here? I don't like thick scanlines, but I agree square CRTs are sexier than curved ones like mine.

>> No.1720401

Hi guys. I need to replace my arcade cabinet CRT, but I have ver little knowledge about it... do you know where I could get a 110° 25" CRT, please? I'm european ;_;

>> No.1720534

Proper resolution is one of my main reasons. Low RES is terrible on LCD. CRT is flexible.

>> No.1720827

Man, I had the same problem when I was getting my CRT, Finally found a place that delivers.
Even worse than CRT's are Tonewheel Organs, especially if you live on first floor and it's coming from a 5th floor.

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Does anyone know how to straighten out the black area at the bottom of my tv.

I know how to go into service mode and already fixed some stuff, but i don't know which parameter fixes that line.


>> No.1721060


Just test parameters until you get the right one. AV forums has a big list of threads for service menus on trinitrons if I'm correct.

I also seem to remember that some had tilt adjustment in their (end user) menus.

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I don't know if you guys can notice the screen tilted but I certainly do and it's driving me nuts, its there any way to fix this?

It's a PVM-2030

>> No.1722164


Sounds like you're experiencing a black crush, where black shades close to 100% black get crushed into one shade. Adjust gamma or adjust colors on the CRT to try to fix

>> No.1722179

I'll never understand how you guys can go back to a CRT after using any LCD/Plasma. I love the authenticity of the graphics, but the coil whine makes my whole body twinge with pain and is fucking terrible. No /vr/ game's graphical accuracy is worth that torture. How do you do it? I have to play on an LCD just for my sanity. It didn't bother me as a kid, but now it just drives me up a wall.

>> No.1722441

Not everyone experiences the whine the same way. Some people are simply more sensitive to it than others. You just happened to draw the genetic short straw in this specific instance, I suppose.

I can hear it when there's nothing playing, by the way, but once I get a game playing, I no longer notice it. And as people get older, they tend to eventually lose the ability to hear sounds at such a high frequency. It's not universal, by the way. Some people lose that ability as young as their early 20's, whereas some hear it well into their 30's. Again, it's all based on the individual.

>> No.1722460


Use a 31khz or higher CRT, their noise is inaudible due to being higher frequency than you can hear.

>> No.1722476

I'd say it also depends on the specific CRT. My GXE1395 is virtually silent, with my 20M2MDU being just barely detectable(to the point where I accidentally left it on for nearly a day straight without noticing). On the flip side, I can easily tell from 30+ feet away when my fathers left his 35'' Toshiba on; Not nearly as bad as my 32FS13, which I'm pretty sure is problems with its flyback transformer.

>> No.1722481

I went to a thrift shop the other day and found a 40 inch CRT with a fucking HDMI input and 3 component inputs, I really wanted to pick it up but I honestly don't have any room for it.
Let me hear it /vr/ is it really worth it to pick it up and and play my xbox and Ps2 using the component inputs or is it no different than playing it on an HDTV? Did the dreamcast ever have component support?

>> No.1722482


>but the coil whine makes my whole body twinge with pain and is fucking terrible.

It does nothing to me, and I can't hear it when I'm playing (or when there's music). Also, >>1722460 is right, not whine with PC monitors.

>> No.1722483

I put performance over everything else when it comes to gaming. Analog CRTs will always be the best for gaming.

>> No.1722485

Anything from the Dreamcast and newer will benefit from it.

>> No.1722494

480p from the GC, PS2, and Wii all look really nice on an HD CRT; Even PS3 games would look pretty damn good on it, but it's at that point where you have to start worrying about text legibility. There's still some image processing being done, but motion quality is just as good as an SD model.

Playing on a 40'' would be nice, and I'm sure you could get a transcoder to do so, but Dreamcast would be best with a VGA box and any old PC CRT.

>> No.1722507

I can't argue with the PC CRT, but is a VGA box still necessary? The games I play on the DC support VGA while I had to download a few from Revive DC that got VGA enabled on them.

>> No.1722515

Thanks guys you have both been a great help, man now getting that TV is haunting me.

>> No.1722535

Uh, yes. That's what the Dreamcast typically uses to output VGA, after all.

To cover all your bases, try to get one that also has RCA and S-video ports, in case of games that do not support VGA.

>> No.1722536

How would you hook up the Dreamcast with VGA without the VGA box? It's absolutely necessary.

>> No.1722538

If you're good with your hands, I'm pretty sure the circuit is relatively simple to do yourself and you can even internalize it. You can't get a usable VGA signal for the DC without it though.

>> No.1722776


I forgot to mention, I use the Tomee VGA cable.

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>> No.1723130


>Scrapping a CRT TV

Oh, nothing of value was...



>> No.1723234

I think there is no way to fix this. Unless you use magnets. I hope you know how they work.

>> No.1723916


Yeah, like I mentioned earlier in this thread, free CRTs frequently get picked up by people just looking to scrap them. Even the ones you find by the side of the road often have the power cords clipped off (fortunately an easy fix) if they haven't been picked up and taken away.

I remember a few years ago we gave a really nice Philips CRT to our garbage man for free. Looking back on it there's a good chance he just wanted it for scrap. Kind of makes me mad now, that was a good TV that I have a lot of fond memories associated with.

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>> No.1724786

This is why CRT preservation needs to happen now and not later

>> No.1725032

The biggest PVMs that I can find are 14" (for a reasonable price that is)

How do you guys find playing games on a small screen?

I've got a 32" widescreen CRT that is perfect for non-retro consoles but not so good for anything pre PS2.

>> No.1725047

But my PVM is 20" and it was the first and only PVM I've ever found, I don't think I would find another where I live.

It cost me 20 bucks

>> No.1725119

I have no 40 inch XBRs near me :(. Had to get the 36 inch.

>> No.1725124

>40 inch CRT with a fucking HDMI input
What was the model?

>> No.1725571


Probably an 40XBR800 if it was a Sony.

>> No.1725586

As often as not, when I go to the dump, there's a dumpster full of electronics. A lot of CRTs. What are the chances I'll find one that's usable in there?

>> No.1727803


Many people dump them even if they work, so you just have to get a truck and take the ones that you think are interesting.

>> No.1728353

I'm going to go look at a PVM-14M4U in a couple days. The guy selling is asking $75, but I'm talking him down right now. Just kinda wondering if anyone else has experience with this model.

>> No.1728841

I have a Sony E250 (Trinitron) CRT PC monitor that I use for some emulation and PC gaming.
I've just noticed that there are some vertical lines on the screen, I've just degaussed it but that didn't remove it.

Is this anything to be worried about?

>> No.1728909

Nevermind, I bumped my second desk and the picture fixed itself.
The joys of tubes.

>> No.1728958

Take some pics.

>> No.1729039

when did sony start putting component inputs on their US TVs? just curious.

>> No.1729061


Early 2000s.

>> No.1729127

Biggest problem I've noticed with HD consoles outputting in 480i is that text often becomes difficult to read in certain games. I'm trying to decide between a Sony KD-27FS170 and a Philips HD set (can't remember the number), leaning towards the Sony since it won't have digital scaling bullshit, but I want to know if the picture quality will be alright on HD consoles if I use component.

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>> No.1730035

Is that out of focus, or just some crazy as fuck intensity display?

>> No.1730110

Hey /crt/ quick question. I recently got a PVM-1271q and the thing works like a dream except when using RGB the picture is pitched a little to the left. This seems to be a semi-common issue but I was wondering what the best fix for this was. Thank you.

>> No.1731365

Is it synced?

>> No.1731367

Is there like... a guide for /crt/ threads? I'd really like to pick up a good CRT, but I just don't know where to start.

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>> No.1731415

you would need to rotate the yoke some, I have the same issue with my 2030, but I just don't bother because of the crazy voltage I'd be next to.

>> No.1731470


Yeah, we've talked about making an FAQ or something for newcomers.

Basically if you're looking for an entry level CRT you'll want a good TV set, probably a Sony Trinitron (other sets are good too though, so don't listen to the people who say you shouldn't bother with other brands). The best way to get them is through thrift stores like goodwill or through craigslist. If you go through craigslist keep in mind that most people are pretty clueless about these things, so you'll want to search "tv" or "television" instead of "crt". Depending on where you live you can find tons of great sets for very cheap or even free. Make sure you have someone to help you move larger sets and always make sure you test before you buy.

>> No.1731490

Is there anything I should be specifically looking for? I mean, I probably have.. a $500 budget. I've been browsing through Craigslist why I was waiting for a reply.

This one caught my eye. As did this one.

>> No.1731494

posted the wrong one for the second one

>> No.1731515


Okay, so HD CRTs are not great for old consoles (they are good for newer consoles though), so you probably don't want that one if you intend to use it for older consoles. The second one on >>1731494 looks pretty nice though, I would definitely consider that, despite the size (there's no way that's 40" btw, they're probably measuring it corner-to-corner on the whole TV instead of just the screen).

>> No.1731902

I've had my PVM for over a year now, and although I haven't put that many hours into it it's a great television. But today I noticed that the screen brightness will sometimes flicker and the picture will try adjusting itself by a few pixels. Is the system on its way out or is there something I can do about it?

>> No.1732034

I got my hands on a 20" PVM for $5.

What are some good speakers to go with it? Ideally none with a subwoofer.

>> No.1732421

The picture image quality will be fine over component, but the text issue is more a problem with the developer's choice of font than anything; It's chosen with the expectation that the vast majority will be playing on an HD set and in all likelihood a flatscreen.

Messing around with an NTSC-J copy of Klonoa 1. Component output from the PS2 looks to be slightly sharper than the component output from the PSP3k running an eboot of the english version. The difference is pretty small though.

That second set does look like it would be pretty good, but with a budget as high as $500, he could very easily go into PVM territory, assuming screen size isn't a concern.

I can't remember if it was on shmup or neo-geo, but someone had recommended http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BKXWEW8/ as a cheap set to go along with their PVM. In the end, any speaker set will work so long as you have a way to feed it the audio signal(s), be it directly from RCA or an 2 RCA to 1 3.5mm jack adapter.

>> No.1732440

What's with the weird discoloured line midway through this image?

>> No.1732710


Probably the display refreshing. The human eye wouldn't notice it, a camera could catch it.

>> No.1732746

Why just that one line then?
Wouldn't half the lines on the screen be like that then?

He said it's a BVM so it might be those dampening wire things, but if so that's some pretty hardcore discolouration so I'm sceptical.
Fucked capacitors?

>> No.1732772

guys I have a Panasonic Tau that I got at Goodwill for like 20bux and it's pretty fucking rad, only problem is it uh...wiggles, sort of.

It's not always noticeable onscreen, it's most visible when you bring up the tv options menu itself, but certain scream elements just decide to be wiggly/jittery. Obviously can't take a pic of this. Any ideas on what to do? Fucking around in the settings hasn't helped

>> No.1732774


Half the lines on the screen would be like that if it was displaying interlaced, however, Earthbound is a SNES game, meaning it's progressively displayed.

>> No.1732779


Are all of the things that do that white? My nearly thirty year old XBR does that too, it's most noticeable on game menus and stuff. Probably a convergence issue meaning it would be a huge bitch to fix.

>> No.1732784

Looks too centered and obvious to be a damper wire.

>Wouldn't half the lines on the screen be like that then?
I'm guessing it's the transition from one field to the other; The last field is still persisting on the bottom half of the screen while the current field is being drawn.

>> No.1732789

stared at it more and no, it's everything. It's not that noticeable when you're playing a game unless there's a lot of negative space, because EVERYTHING on screen just seems to be jittering up and down vertically with no distortion

>> No.1732796

>I'm guessing it's the transition from one field to the other
I've played earthbound. And what he took a picture of is from a static screen. There's no transition to speak of.
Something is wrong here with the actual monitor.

>> No.1732802


Okay, what you have there is probably bad vertical hold. A lot of TVs have a potentiometer that you can turn with a screwdriver inside of them, you'll just have to pop off the back (I don't think I need to tell you not to touch anything aside from the potentiometer). Just find it and turn it until the jittering stops.

If your TV doesn't have a pot for that then you might be fucked, hopefully there'll be something in the service menu.

>> No.1732809

>I've played earthbound. And what he took a picture of is from a static screen. There's no transition to speak of.
And the picture still needs to be redrawn. I've seen similar shit when photographing my PVM. Let me see if I can find something.

>> No.1732815

there's nothing in the service menu sadly

>> No.1732824

Okay, I found this link, help me find which of the million cryptic options in this would be vertical hold:


>> No.1732826

I just picked up a working NEC MultiSync XM29 video monitor for a dollar...Did I do good?

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Not a great example of it, but it shows what I mean. I have another photo that shows it, but it's a close up shot and doesn't show the entire screen.

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And said close up.

>a dollar

Mind posting a few photos if possible?

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I don't have it setup right now...Need to make space...So it's just sitting in a cramped area under my window.

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And here's some of the inputs on the back. Tested it already when I got it home by plugging a laptop into it, and it works perfectly.

>> No.1732846

That's an awesome monitor at a crazy good price! How'd you get it?

>> No.1732847

I didn't mean immediately. When ever you manage to get it setup and situated is fine.

>> No.1732849


I got reeeeally lucky...I went to get some groceries, but my money wasn't in my bank account yet, so I needed to kill some time...I noticed that there was a Goodwill in the plaza I was in that I never noticed before, so I went in there to scope out old electronics, and I saw it sitting there with the TVs and didn't hesitate to buy the shit out of it.

>> No.1732853


Honestly try looking for a pot before you go screwing with the service menu, removing the back and twisting a little dial is much easier, trust me.

>> No.1732857

Where at? None of my local Goodwills have anything worth while anymore, just clothes and old beatup furniture.

>> No.1732860


>A dollar
>Just happened upon it

You lucky fucking bastard, I've been looking for one of those for ages.

>> No.1732863


Tempe, AZ...The Goodwill I usually go to (still in Tempe) always has a lot of old electronics and sometimes has decent TVs (got my Trinitron from there)...This Goodwill was even better, probably because it's in a nicer area.

>> No.1732868

Old arcade cabinets had a plastic window in front of the CRT, which would have diffused more light as shown on the camera.

>> No.1732872


I've been having a lucky week for some reason...I just bought a nice 20" widescreen HD computer monitor at Goodwill for $15...It didn't work, but all it needed was a new capacitor, and now it works.

>> No.1733138

Jelly as fuck right now

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Not sure why there was a sudden interest in my monitor, but
that line is actually present even when the machine isn't receiving a video signal.

>> No.1733425

I retract my previous statement.

That can't be good for the tube.

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So, the panel or whatever you'd call it on my Trinitron is loose on the bottom...It wasn't like this until my ex brought it to me after kicking me out.

So, should I just superglue it? I know this is purely cosmetic...But I like my things to look right.

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GBA on a CRT..

many people will argue that its not the way to go because the screen of the GBA was an LCD, but my opinion is that CRTs just turn pixel art into something delectable to look at

>> No.1733465
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I'm having trouble getting any type of perspective on what this is a picture of.

I don't particularly care about whether it's entirely authentic, I just know that it looks really nice.

>> No.1733481


The bottom part of the screen...The plastic panel pulling away from it...

>> No.1733498

I get the angle now.

I'd leave it as it is. The plastic isn't supposed to be stuck to the tube, so there's not real point in super gluing it. If the front part of the case is loose from the back, you would try tightening the screws holding them together; That could possibly pull the bezel against the screen a bit better.

>> No.1733509


Alright...That didn't help, but I guess it's just kind of annoying at the moment because it's on the floor and I have to look at it at a downward angle from my bed when I'm using it...Probably won't notice it once I get something to set it on.

>> No.1733627

Well shit.
Any ideas on how to fix it?

>> No.1734084

Is emulation on a computer CRT monitor acceptable?

>> No.1734113

We're sort of divided on that. Most PC CRT monitors use tri-dot screens so they don't look the same as video monitors, so you'll never be able to get true reproduction, although there ARE Trinitron and Diamondtron VGA monitors out there.

Now, even within the realm of VGA CRT emulation there are a couple schools of thought. There are guys out there who use shaders like CRTGeom to reproduce the distinct qualities of CRTs and these kind of setups can look pretty surprisingly good even on modern displays using black frame insertion or better yet strobing backlights but these kind of setups require powerful computers.

The other school of thought is to use hacked drivers to push resolutions all the way down to 240 pixel height, or 480 with inserted scanlines. On a VGA CRT with the brightness cranked up to actually cause bloom (which is something VGA CRTs aren't designed to do) they look pretty good especially if you actually find a VGA 'Tron.

15khz pro CRTs are out there to be had with a little effort though. I got my 20" and 14" PVMs both for $10 total.

>> No.1734249

Jesus Christ, I almost bought a Samsung slimfit today. I'm really glad I double checked the product info one last time, I've heard really bad things about slim CRTs.

>> No.1734379

What kind of CRTs were typically used in older arcade machines? Was one included in the arcade units, or did arcade owners just use whatever they wanted that would fit?

>> No.1734389


Cabinets used specialized monitors that are more akin to PVMs/BVMs than anything else.

>> No.1734401

>tfw no crt gf to play video games with

>> No.1734412

You wouldn't put your penis in a cathode ray tube

>> No.1734479
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So, I finally got a CRT last weekend and it works beautifully except for one thing. Somehow the SCART is displayed as 16:9-ish. Is there a way to fix this? It is a Panasonic TX-28LK1C/S. I looked up, if I can find a manual, without success.
I am really sorry for the quality and hope that you can see what I mean.
> tfw the 3DS camera is the only one I have

>> No.1734770

mine is still getting fixed ;~;

>> No.1734957
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Question for you guys

Im about to pick up a 36" sony trintron non hd tv, and i am wondering if there is a check list of things i can go over to make sure the tv is in working order

obviously im bringing a system to test hook ups with, but is there any signs i should look for to see if the tv is shit?

>> No.1735034

bad convergence
ask the owner if they've ever adjusted the color/brightness settings. if not, see if you can check the menu, otherwise assume they've been at max its whole life (bad)
ask how much it was used. Most CRTs are rated at 20,000 hours (around 8 hours a day for 8 years as I recall) to half-life. see if you can find out the manufacture date also. The older, the more likely there is a lot of wear on the tubes, especially if it was used frequently

if the picture is crisp, bright and stable however you're probably okay

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thanks bro.

picture looked crisp. brightness was only at halfway setting when i fired it up. when i cranked settings up it looked damn bright.

only concern was it had a few big dents on the casing on the outside. im assuming its been dropped since its so big. got it for 30$

>> No.1735281

>3DS camera

make a 3d one bro!

anyway, you pro need to look at the settings in the service or check to see if some 16"9 enhanced mode has been turned one in the menu

>> No.1735283

No problem.
If it's working fine despite the denting I bet it'll be okay. I have a CRT, albeit a much smaller one, that was bumped so hard that the front piece of the casing got knocked out of alignment with the back and one of the upper corners cracked. Works great regardless.
Make sure to crank the settings back down when you use it to maximize its life. Brightness and contrast are the big ones and they are often incorrectly adjusted to give a picture with more immediate "pop" (in actuality too much of either will not only damage the set but probably produce a picture with poor detail and black levels)

>> No.1735286

How are the Toshiba CRTs?

>> No.1735320
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I really like mine but it only takes composite and RF

>> No.1735389

They're alright but I honestly wouldn't take one for anything above $10.

>> No.1735423

steal it

>> No.1735490

It's certainly a fuckload better than using an LCD that's for sure.

>> No.1735496

They're a solid Japanese brand. Grab one with component and you're golden.

>> No.1735517

Hey /vr/, I just got myself a PVM. It has RGB, S-video, and composite (no component). I intend to use it for MAME, but until I get the right equipment to convert VGA to 15khz RGB, I just planned to hook up my PS2 and see how my PSX games looked (my original PS is dead).
How would I go about doing this? I know PS2s can output in RGB, but isn't the sync on green an issue? This monitor takes composite sync.
Anyone know the best way to manage this?

>> No.1735764
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First of all, what model of PVM is it? Many of them can take component video even if they have only BNC inputs.

Like my 14m2u, I have USA wii hooked up to it with component, just had to use F/M RCA to BNC connectors

Here is the back.

>> No.1735770
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and the Wii outputs 240p awesomely

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>> No.1735787
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>Sagat: dat ass...

>> No.1735807

It's a 14-n6u. The back BNC connectors are marked only for RGB, not component, so I don't think it can unfortunately.
How big is the jump from composite to s-video? If the quality will be good that way and it's easier than managing an RGB output from my PS2, I could just do that. Believe it or not, I've never seen my PlayStation games in anything better than composite before.

>> No.1735814

I haven't looked into it, but I can't see it being that difficult to get RGB w/composite sync out of a PS2.

>How big is the jump from composite to s-video?
A much much larger leap than S-Video to RGB/Component.

>> No.1735820
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Use S-video for now, but what about just using a Component to RGB transcoder?
>dat butt

>> No.1735823

Ah okay, I think I'll just use s-video then. I'm only going to be using it with any consoles temporarily until I get my mame cabinet set up anyway. Thanks!

>> No.1735828
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what about getting an RGB SCART cable for the ps2 and just chopping off the SCART end of your cable and soldering on BNC connectors?

>> No.1735832
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Ps2 has an RGB option in the menu.

>> No.1735837

>chopping off the SCART end of your cable and soldering on BNC connectors?
That's one way to go about it. You could also put together a SCART to BNC cable and use that in junction with the SCART cable.

>> No.1735839

This. You should be able to just switch it to RGB mode and use Component cables that also have Composite because the pins share the function. You'd just need dirt cheap RCA to BNC connectors and to hope that your PVM accepts CSync

>> No.1735843


>chopping off the SCART end of your cable and soldering on BNC connectors?

You'll be better off soldering the BNC cables on a female SCART jack, so you coul use this little cable on every console that has a SCART cable.

>> No.1735850
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or better yet, just get an RGB SCART cable then hook it up with this

and set the system to RGB. voila!

>> No.1735853

>then hook it up with this

>>You could also put together a SCART to BNC cable and use that in junction with the SCART cable.

>> No.1735854

Wait, so a component cable with an additional yellow composite, yeah?
Do they make those for PS/2?

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>same thing but...

I posted a picture of it, not you. lol

>> No.1735869
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Thank you for all of the help. Could I theoretically get a component splitter, and run an extra RCA cable from green to EXT Sync to solve the sync on green issue for RGB?

>> No.1735870
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Yeah, something like this I guess.

>> No.1735878
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why not just use a component switch box with composite and use the composite lane for sync? the quality would be better than a splitter.

>> No.1735890

I have a feeling that it might not like the extra luma data being fed with sync. And even if that would work, why would you get splitter. You could just take a spare RCA cable and go from the luma out to sync in.

That is a mechanical switch and won't magically give you composite out if there isn't composite in. An active switch with signal processing could hypothetically do that, but
>input lag

The third party component cable with a composite lead is likely his best bet.

>> No.1735894

I just read the manual for my monitor and apparently, I can switch the sync from EXT to sync on green using an internal menu. I think that solves my problem, perhaps?
If I do it that way, could I just use component cables and not use anything in EXT at all?

>> No.1735898

With the PS2 set to RGB, I mean

>> No.1735905


Yeah, that should be ok. give it a shot

>> No.1735906

Worth a shot, but I'm not sure the PS2 will do internal sync with RGB.

>> No.1735910

you might need a composite or S-Video cable to change the PS2 video settings if things don't work right on the first try.

>> No.1735915

Okay. I'll try it as soon as I can; I have to buy the cables & BNC adapters. Thanks a lot for the assistance, everyone.

>> No.1735919

>That is a mechanical switch and won't magically give you composite out if there isn't composite in

why would you use an output if you didn't have something going in? that makes no sense.

sync goes in, sync goes out. you just have to make sure both sources have sync.

>> No.1735925

The point is, the splitter would be an attempt to get sync from the luma line; He doesn't have a dedicated line for sync, so the switch would do nothing for him.

>> No.1735928

hope it all works out for you anon. good luck!

my PVM -14m2u also has that setting, (for me its a real button under source select not a menu option). it works great for me.

>> No.1735932

sorry, I thought he wanted to use the splitter backwards (two sources, one input) and just use the same sync for both.

>> No.1735946
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that feel, when you buy a PVM for the soul purpose of watching Chinese Cartoons.

feels good.

>> No.1735953


The way God intended it!

>> No.1735957

Do NTSC PS2 even output RGBC or are they SOG only?
I do know PAL PS2 do both.

>> No.1735981 [SPOILER] 
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>hentai in 240p


>> No.1735987


More like 480i.



>> No.1735992
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that's why you hook a 480i or 480p source to a 240p converter, or just use a pc with 15 khz output.

anime in 240p!

> is for robo sluts

>> No.1736025
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total sadness when I found a perfect mitsubishi 40" (with a DVI port on the back) at the good will.

the picture was excellent... but I had no way of getting it home. (to heavy, and I have no car)

why god.

>> No.1736029

get a taxi

>> No.1736031


... or rent a truck/pick-up if you have a driving license.

>> No.1736037
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but, I still can't pick up the damn thing.

>> No.1736038


Why not ask help from an employee at the store, then from a neighbor at your place?

>> No.1736039 [SPOILER] 
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store was staffed by weak teen girls, and I live near two really old people.

just no way it was going to work.

>> No.1736047


Well, you might as well call a friend or a co-worker? And if it's still not possible, well yeah, you're fucked.
I know what it feels to be unable to retrieve a great CRT monitor because of the lack of transportation means.

>> No.1736736
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I picked up a 13 inch pvm yesterday. I only have s-video to test on it, but the quality looks great.

I'm pretty excited to get some rgb going on this thing.

>> No.1736876

Why do most trinitrons have either component or S-video but not both?

>> No.1736975
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it was probably something to do with cost cutting measures and user demographics.

most consumers didn't even know how those ports could be used for video, most just used coax RF connectors, while few even used composite.

why spend money on things most people will never use?

>> No.1737007
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my friends are all in different cities, and my co-workers are lazy slackers. they won't even help me at work!

last time I asked about the monitor at work they "accidentally" dropped it before I could buy it from the boss.

barely used, and he only wanted $25

it was a really nice NEC MultiSync FP2141SB. :(

>> No.1737010

Larger Trinitrons do have both connectors and even several of them. But I have been looking for a comfy smallish (14"-21") TV and the trinitrons I have seen do not have either s-video or component while the RCAs have both.

>> No.1737029

Ok, I have a PAL PS2 and an NTSC CRT TV, the menu is in black and white and has refresh rate issues. whenever I launch Prince of Persia : Sands of Time or PES2008 they actually work without an issue, Kingdom Hearts' menu works well but after that it's just a black screen, some games also show the Playstation logo and get a black screen after that. How do I fix it ?

How the fuck do I fix that. Also sorry for it not being retro related.

>> No.1737032
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some 14" PVM Trinitrons have all the connections. like the 14m2u or 14m4u

I just picked up a 14m2u for $50

this is my setup,

Wii on Component/RGB
Dreamcast on S-Video
VCR on Composite.
(trap filter is on in the PVM settings)

it all looks great.

>> No.1737040
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I wish I could find a PVM here in Mexico.

>> No.1737054

you can found some online for good prices, but shipping will cost you at least $35.

just get the Trinitron that looks best to you (I would one with component if the set is in good condition)

what do you really want to hook up? just use a switch box.

>> No.1737056

You use the same frequency and current standard as the rest of North America: what's to stop you from hopping the border and picking up a CRT?

>> No.1737063

that looks pretty good

what TV is that?

>> No.1737086

What is the difference between a PVM and BVM? Also, does anyone know if they are available in Europe?

>> No.1737090
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how do you have it hooked up? (S-Video?)

PAL usaly operates at 576i/p 50hz and NTSC is 480i/p 60hz

I have a Us NTSC PS2 and I've played PAL games (with component cables) but they usually need a 60hz fix to work right.

soft modding your ps2 or patching your games might fix the issue

>> No.1737093
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ese sentir cuando vas al supermercado y las teles de seguridad son PVM

>> No.1737109

Are the security guard's corrupted? might be able to make a deal with one.

>> No.1737112

I weep at how burned up they must be.

>> No.1737117


Man this pic is pretty hardcore. I mean it's hard to watch.

>> No.1737120

I use S-video yeah.

Will buying a component cable fix my issue ? I'd prefer not messing up with my PS2 or games since every time I tried that ended with a wasted DVD.

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image is slightly moved to the right, wonder how many pixels I'm losing ;_;

>> No.1737142

what system are you playing on? might also be service menu the can help you with H-shift

>> No.1737158

What kind of witchcraft machinery would do that? I'm interested. Are they expensive?

>> No.1737160

modded PS2, can't find any calibration settings like Silent Hill does.

>> No.1737172

Ask for them on tv workshops (talleres de televisores pues), ask if they at least have seen one, and if they don't have one ask if they know who might have one. That's how I found my PVM, some old man who had a workshop had one on his backyard, I had to show him a photo of the connectors so he would know what was I asking for.

>> No.1737185
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Yes, they are kind of expensive. the best one is made in Italy (mimo genius ii) and cost 350 euros new. but it works great.

the next best is the extron emotia series from the 90's most of them can be found used for $150 (more info here http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/)

but for the time and money you would invest, it would be way easier and (cost less)

just to get an AMD or ATI GPU and use the CRT emu_driver to output "real" 240p into a crt.

>> No.1737208

I wish it wasnt so expensive to get the 360 to output 240p. What im planning on doing is getting a SCART cable a sync strike and an extron RGB to get a 240p signal. I'd rather get a super emotia but i never see any on ebay.

>> No.1737219

>extron RGB 240p

I did that and it looks like shit. don't even bother.

it looks nothing like real 240p. it looks like an interlaced image with shitty scan-lines rolling over it.

>> No.1737231

I think by system he meant your TV anon, some tv's have a service menu who let you change the geometric (and other things) settings.

Check for the brand and model of your TV to see how to acces this menu.

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If your CRT can display 480p I would just use an SLG.

stable image, with great scalines that you can tweak for each game.

>> No.1737251

ooh, it's an Emerson ETVS14

apparently these are some options to enter service mode http://www.reparacionlcd.com/menuservicio/EMERSON--10

welp, time to buy a remote
thx for the help

>> No.1737256

Do you live in a big city?
Here there are only about 5 repair shops and they didn't have many TVs for sale when I visited them. I didn't ask for PVMs though.

>> No.1737269

I'm using a PVM that only does 240p and 480i it doesnt look awful but id rather have 240p

>> No.1737272

Hermosillo, Capital of Sonora, not a pretty big city but yeah there's several repair shops, I found mine in the 3rd shop I went though, and I went there because the guy on the 2nd one told me. Show them some pics anon, a lot of people don't know PVM existed (even the guys who worked with TV's) until they see those "weird connectors" or "cubic tv's" and they will know if they have seen one.

>> No.1737276

I went to uni there.
Here in Obregon it seems a little bit hopeless.

>> No.1737295

Well, at least you live pretty close, you can come here on a weekend and search for one if you definitely couldn't find one there. I think there are several PVM here, people just don't know what they are and forget about them.

"This tv won't show any picture when I turn it on and has these weird connectors behind, it doesn't even have coaxial input, what a piece of crap"

>> No.1737469

Hey /vr/, I've picked up an N64 and a SEGA Genesis recently and have been building my collection of games for both.

But I've encountered a problem that you can already predict; it looks pretty fucking weird to play these consoles on HD flat screens. So I've come to you with a question - is there a particular kind of TV that I should be using in place of my modern set? Should I just be looking for the kind of TV I played my first N64 on back in 2002, with the fat back and appropriate inputs?

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, I'm not sure where to ask and its really jarring to play Sonic 2 so huge I can see individual pixels.

>> No.1737470



>> No.1737491

Is this b8?

>> No.1737497

You need halp to know if you did gud with a free TV? It was free. If you're happy with it then you did gud. What connections does it have?

Both of my consumer 'Trons take 10+ seconds to start up so don't worry about that. Even PVMs start up with a weird red screen then wash into proper pictures.

>> No.1737507

It takes at least a good min to turn on, it's obviously got a leak in the tube or something. Back when I was a kid we had an old trinitron that did the same thing, more or less. It's got svid and composite inputs.

Haven't had the chance to hook it up yet, but the blank screen looks good enough. Color might be off though.

>> No.1737520

Any old CRT should do; Make sure to check for what inputs it has that you might want to use.. Genesis can do RF(coaxial) or composite(yellow RCA) and the n64 can do RF, composite, or s-video.

Why would it be bait? He just seems a bit uninformed.

>it's obviously got a leak in the tube
I don't think it would turn on at all if it lost its vacuum.

>> No.1737527

No man, I really don't know.
Alrighty then, thanks. I'll start snooping through thrift stores for them, then.

>> No.1737685

looks like a really good one, and it's an HR Trinitron so it should be able to do 480p.

you could even hook a PC up to it!


>> No.1737693

be careful when using the service menu, you can really mess your TV up if you just blindly click on things.

make sure you write all the default values down before you change anything.

good luck!

>> No.1737737

I'm in the same boat as you, my PVM looks great with 240p content, and interlaced content looks "okay"

but I much prefer a stable image with scanlines, instead of that flickery interlaced output

first I tried the RGB interface, by itself.
didn't look that great

then I tried the RGB+VSC scan converter (much easier to find than emotia's)

but it really didn't look any different than an interlaced image ( maybe I did something wrong? I was using all component cables. no scart cables like the other guy was thinking about)

anyway, now I'm just focused on building a small PC for 240p output

I can build it for basically a little under 200 bucks, I should have just done that in the first place.

although I'm still glad I bought the RGB interface and the VSC.

RGB interface is still useful for adjusting the picture of a PC connection, its also great for tweaking the scanlines on a emotia set up (if I ever find one)

this really is a strange Hobby.

>> No.1737750

it should fix the black and white color issues, but I believe you're still going to have problems.

systems and games are region coded for a reason

I bet somebody in the moding community could help you more.

or ask /v/ the Pirates there should know way more about this stuff.

>> No.1737763

>HR Trinitron so it should be able to do 480p.
That refers to the number of discrete TV lines that it can resolve. HRTrinnys I think are rated at 800. For it to display 480p, it'd need(should) to sport a "MultiFormat" tag in the top right.

>> No.1737794
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honestly, unless you're an enthusiast. I would just get up-scaler or use emulators with some filters on that HDTV of yours.

you can get some really great results with retroarch on an HDTV or monitor. (see this pic of from my Samsung hdtv)

most of the time CRTs are more trouble than they're worth. especially if your OCD about image quality (like me)

I rarely ever use my CRT anymore.

>> No.1737804
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oh, I always just associated the HR tag with 480p PVM's and BVM's

good to know.

>> No.1738293


>get up-scaler

Yeah, no. It all depend on the country he's living in. if he's a yurobro, any TV that isn't a Chinese one and with a SCART socket would be good enough. Most of the time they cost 10 bucks so Why not get a CRT TV instead of an expensive piece of hardware that doesn't give you the quality of a CRT?
if he live in the US, i dunno.

>> No.1738910

Probably a bit obscure, but there's a Samsung TX-R2735 for sale near me and I'm in need of a new CRT. Does anybody have or know anything about this TV? Is it a decent set or should I hold out for another Trinitron?

>> No.1738965
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Another photo from my Toshiba 14AF44.
MGS on my PS1 in S-video... I might have had my sharpness turned up a little too much, but it still looks nice. Looks better in person, of course.

>> No.1738971


If it's a Samsung there's a good chance it may be what's known as a SlimFit CRT, which has a shorter tube than regular TVs, making it lighter and smaller.

The downside to this is that slimfit tubes have horrendous geometry issues as a result of the shorter tubes. They're really not worth it, even if you do want a lighter, smaller set.

>> No.1738975


Someone near me was giving a 20" version of that away for free. I don't know if they still have it, but I was sort of tempted by the component and s-video it has (on such a small set too).

>> No.1738979
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Well I'm more than happy with mine, and it's only a 14". I'd totally recommend it.

>> No.1738990
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Wrong pic

>> No.1738993

Are RCA sets good?

>> No.1738996


Some are. They sort of went to shit later on, like a lot of other American brands.

>> No.1739059

Are you stupid or what? Who the fuck do you think brought it out there? The magical lifting fairy?

>> No.1739714

It only does 480i, but it's pretty sweet still! The model is 14m4u.

>> No.1739762 [SPOILER] 
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>Are you stupid or what?

Don’t get all hyphy with me, bitch.

>Who the fuck do you think brought it out there?

The huge motherfucker that dropped it off, who else?

>The magical lifting fairy?

I will always believe in the magical lifting fairy.

(Not my fault your childhood sucked)

>> No.1739781

Nice, that means it has 800 TVL.

I have a 14m2u, (600 TVL)

PVM's are awesome!

(Wish we had monitors like that when we were kids.)

>> No.1739791

I know, right? I played up through ps1 and n64 on a 13 inch with just coaxial input. Picture sucked, but I didn't know any better at the time.

>> No.1739802

Picked up this Sony Trinitron KV-20XBR this morning for 10$. Unfortunately I didn't notice the RGB input until I got home. Not sure if I can use it or not. I'm having trouble finding any info on it.

(Can't upload from here)

>> No.1739831
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Mid range up-scalers and SLG's are fairly cheap now. (see pic)

or, better yet just use a PC, Loptop, Android, or Raspberry Pi.

hook any of that up via HDMI, VGA or DVI

if his HDTV has a good pixel response time, why not just use the HDTV? (with native output if possible)

I love my CRT's just as much as you, but I gotta be realistic. its not always the best choice

everybody should know what options they have. you make better decisions that way.

>> No.1739843

that's fucking delicious.

is that a Playstation? is Retroarch an add-on that works with any system?

>> No.1739846


I've got the 20XBR's bigger brother, the 25XBR, which has an identical input.

Here's a thread on GamesSX about it: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3404.0

So far I haven't had any luck with whipping up a converter to SCART or something like that. You might though...

>> No.1739848

I bet this Korean guy can help you. (look at his pics)

>> No.1739854

No, it is a multi emulator program with tons of options, including robust shader support.

>> No.1739856

forgot to post he link, lol


>> No.1739874


Like I said, if he's living in Europe, RGB capable TVs are hilarously cheap (10 bucks for a Trinitron made in Spain or Germany?) and fairly common. CRTs are still a better than upscalers, even if he's not an enthusiast.

>> No.1739907
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That’s my setup; let me tell you about it

I have my PC connected via a 30ft HDMI cable (it’s in the other room) (so I use a wireless controller

The image is from Retroarch (a multi emulator) (took the photo from my 40” Samsung LCD TV)

I just loaded a CPS2 rom of X-Men vs Street Fighter (way better then the playstation version, its arcade perfect!)

I used the 3 pass shader setting, (crt-interlaced-halation) with integer scaling and a custom resolution to fill the screen.

Those settings make every system I’ve tried look awesome (NES, Sega, NeoGeo, TG16, Capcom) (most systems will need alt resolutions to keep the scanlines looking correct)

It’s really easy and convenient. And you get a bigger picture than most CRT’s

>> No.1739934
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arg! same here, from NES all the way to the Dreamcast we used RF coaxial.

I had never seen composite out picture till I played MGS2 on the ps2

and finally Component/HDMI with the 360.

Wish I had a time machine, doc...

>> No.1739960
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Yeah, that guy has an RGB Multi-Out to RGB SCART cable.

>> No.1739971

says he just used a PC floppy disk cable for the connector end, lol

I bet the picture quality looks rad!

>> No.1739972

Nice setup!

Just wanted to add that if you can spare the room an HD CRT can hook into the same setup and cut out a bit of input lag and motion blur.

What kind of controllers do you use? Been using ps3 bluetooth controllers with SCP DS3. Works much better than the motioninjoy drivers.

>> No.1739996

uugh... I pity you so much. I had S-Video for everything, once I got my hands on a compatible tv. My brother still plays his 360 with composite cables. it hurts my eyes!

>> No.1740001
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I'm just using this 360 wireless pad for now. (its got the better d-pad)

I would like to hook up a wii-mote (for NES games and Motion stuff)

Yeah, I'd love to play on a big HD CRT.
But I can't find any around here.

I've ordered a 14" PVM with 720p support, so i'll give that a try.

input lag and motion blur is getting much better on newer LCD sets. sony's latest stuff is getting rave reviews

and I would like to try out a LightBoost monitor, some people say it looks just like a CRT or better.

check this guy out. http://www.blurbusters.com/

>> No.1740002

ah... rats. I thought it was a video upscaler.

you guys have me digging through video-phile message boards, now. that fucking Cinematique POP is like $500! I could get a Trinitron for half that!

>> No.1740007
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dude, just get an iscan pro for $50 (used)
perfect upscaler.

XRGB-Mini is also great, but that's like $250 used.

>> No.1740009

why not just use your PC like that guy did?

>> No.1740017
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or just get used AV Rcevier, see them at the goodwill all the time and some of them are great scalers

>> No.1740025

>Cinematique POP is like $500

that's why you get the Chinese clone version of it off ebay for like $40

pay attention!

>> No.1740027

>see them at the goodwill all the tim
I've spent the last month searching for a receiver and haven't been able to find a single one. Pisses me off to no end.

Pretty much any AV receiver with a scaler you find is going to be optimized for movies and such and pay absolutely no attention to minimizing input lag, even to the point of boasting audio synchronization to compensate.

>> No.1740038

my Sony receiver (got it at the goodwill)
seems to be doing a good job up-scaling my ps2 and dream-cast games. didn't notice any lag.

but I don't play lots of fighting games, so that might make a difference. (mostly just play RPGs)

>> No.1740046
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is the best option, its designed for games and 240p (and you can turn the D terminal port into a component input)

>> No.1740058 [SPOILER] 
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(Turn based) RPGs are one place where input lag doesn't really affect much.

Unless you know about timed hits.

>> No.1740094

don't hate me...
I have a Mac

besides, I would rather buy the hardware that lets me use my systems, than fiddle with an emulator. Obviously, because I have a Mac, and not a fiddly PC.

that, and I would like to use the gigantic flat screen, in the family room

>> No.1740119
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Retroarch works great on mac.



everything with gaming is "fiddle" to a point. speed the hour it takes finding the settings you like best, then just enjoy your life.

how hard is that?

>> No.1740135

Don't these things add loads of input lag?

>> No.1740147


XRGB-Mini has basically non.

>> No.1740149

Input lag is inherent to any image processing, but higher end scalers do tend to keep it to a minimum.

>> No.1740151

don't know why I always assume these things are PC/Linux only...

thanks man!

>> No.1740161

no problem, and give us an update later. or in the emulation thread.

>> No.1740170
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Retroarch also works great on CRT's, you can even watch Movies/Anime with it and apply shaders!

give it a try.

>> No.1740173

Would anyone here be about to make one?
I would pay for the labour, materials and shipping.

>> No.1740230

>Non-HD (i.e. no upscaling shit) 16:9 Trinitron

[jelly intensifies]

>> No.1740256


Heh, I remember when i was kid, we had one given by the TV repair shop for the time they were repairing our own TV.

>> No.1740295

When you guys have multiple systems to hook up to one TV, do you guys just use splitters, or are there any specific old TVs with lots of input ports?

I've been under the impression that most consumer models usually just have one set for RCA, and generally S-Video, while the professional monitors can sometimes have multiples.

>> No.1740331

You get lag from two ends.

The upscalers will take a bit of time to process the image. Then the display will take a bit of time to get the image displayed as well.

I haven't messed around with any upscaling equipment but if its going to cost a lot I'd damn sure hope it will work quickly.

Unfortunately you still get lag from the TV.

Displaylag has a nice database of lag times if you're shopping around.

>> No.1740340
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I just use a switch box, or Two monitors.

some TV's have more inputs, some less

>> No.1740346
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and this is a nice switch box. you could have eight systems hooked up to one display.

>> No.1740357

Would a trinitron or a PVM be still the best choice for PS2 games?

>> No.1740361

what is that RGB port on the monitor actually called?

you might be able to find something pr-made

>> No.1740365

kind of, it depends on if you don't notice interlacing.

or how you feel about scanlines.

>> No.1740372
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ps2 games can look great on HDTVs if you have the right setup (like a backwards compatible ps3)

>> No.1740378

A PVM is basically a high-end trinitron. Naturally, a PVM will look better for 480i content (Or, if you have one of the L5 model PVMs, 480p)

>> No.1740392
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I hate the way 480i looks on my 14m2u, (but i'm strange)

I wish ps2 could output 240p with all games (not use ps1 tittles)

i'm sure most people won't notice. but I do.

>> No.1740405
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some ps2 games can output in 240p but most are just crappy 480i (that's when emulation or a good upscaler or downscaler will come into play).

>> No.1740409
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Extreme close up of my old Daewoo television

>> No.1740410

>(not use ps1 tittles)

*just ps1 tittles*

>> No.1740415
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Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Even worse is the collections that by all means should output in 240p but display in 480i instead such as Mega Man Anniversary Collection, Sonic Mega Collection, and all of the SNK ones.

Mega Man X Collection is the only one I can think of that properly outputs 240p.

As it stands, though, a PVM will still look much better in 480i than a standard trinitron set. It's going to look ugly regardless, but a PVM is going to make it look as good as it can.

>> No.1740416
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nice shadow mask bro!

>> No.1740428 [DELETED] 

I'm not actually from /vr/, I mostly browse /v/, but I have a question.
Why do you guys sperg so much over CRT TVs?
Playing them in an emulator where you can see all the pixels clearly is what the original game designers envisioned.

>> No.1740431

If you have to ask you'll never know.

>> No.1740432
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>> No.1740437

That's usually the answer someone gives when they don't know themselves.
>Oh you don't know why we do X? W-Well, looks like you'll never know, heh.

>> No.1740441
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>> No.1740442

more like you're 16 and the first console you played was a ps2.

>> No.1740445
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finally, someone who knows my pain.

>> No.1740449

I'm actually 18, and yeah you're right about the PS2 part, but you still haven't answered my question.
What does any of that have anything to do with the logic I've presented?

>> No.1740456

LCD look like shit on non-native resolutions.
And other alternative display technologies tend to be either expensive or unreliable.

>> No.1740458

>logic I've presented?
What logic, son?

>> No.1740460

Honestly it's mostly nostalgia for what makes the games look "right" to us. Without scanlines and curves my favorite games look fucked up.

>> No.1740465

But like I said, emulators run perfectly and even give you clearer picture.
Why not just use those?

If you'd been reading my posts instead of bashing me for childish reasons, you'd know.

Emulators can give you scanline filters.

>> No.1740469
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I've been gaming since 1988, if you have a good CRT or HDTV setup, either can be great.

game designers had dev kits that output games in the correct resolution and aspect ratio.

I personal attempt to achieve those results.

emulation is great, and it helps with CRT's or newer HD displays.

>> No.1740470

I don't see what emulation has anything to do with using a CRT or LCD.

>> No.1740472
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>emulators run perfectly

>> No.1740474

You have presented zero logic in your posts.
Teenagers make those kind of mistakes, you'll grow out of it.

>> No.1740475 [DELETED] 

If you ever want to get into retro gaming let me recommend retron 5 to you.
It's right up your ally.

>> No.1740476 [DELETED] 

Alright, I can respect that.

I'm just saying it's silly to ramble on about TVs when you can use an emulator, which does the job better and for free.

Most of them do, retard.
Save for a few consoles like N64 emulators, which are poorly coded.

>> No.1740479

>I'm just saying it's silly to ramble on about TVs when you can use an emulator, which does the job better and for free.

And, again, that has nothing to do with using an LCD or CRT. Many people emulate on CRTs.

>> No.1740485
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>what time is it?

>> No.1740486

He admitted to being from /v/.

Best *NOT* to respond at all.

If you continue to reply to him at this point, you are a fucking idiot.

>> No.1740487 [DELETED] 

Logic isn't simply invalidated because of my age.
Stop being a cynical old faggot telling me to get off his lawn.

I'd rather stick to emulators, which are free.

And, again, try some reading comprehension.

>> No.1740491

Not even the same guy, but this "every other board besides my homeboard is shit" meme is getting pretty stale.

>> No.1740494

>Logic isn't simply invalidated because of my age.
Well, for that logic to be invalidated it would have to exist in the first place, son.

>> No.1740495
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>emulators, which are free

stop stealing games faggot!

>> No.1740497

/v/ being shit is not a meme.

I bet you wouldn't say that if I said /a/ or /sp/ were shit.

>Not even the same guy

Bull fucking shit. I feel disgusted even responding to you

>Defending /v/

Stay. Fucking. Mad.

>> No.1740504 [DELETED] 

Not even the same guy but you seem fucking mad bra.

>> No.1740505 [DELETED] 

Once again, read through my posts and you'll understand what point I'm making.

Don't make me pull out those sources showing that piracy leads to more sales.

Any board being "shit" is all subjective.
Someone from /vr/ could easily say that /vr/ is shit, but that doesn't make it true or false.
As for the /v/ boogeyman, yes, at this point it is a meme.

>> No.1740508

Stop falseflagging by pretending to be me.

>> No.1740512

>Once again, read through my posts and you'll understand what point I'm making.
You think you are making a point but you are not. I'm just pointing that out for you.

>> No.1740513

CRT's don't have blurring and input lag like most modern displays do.

and why do you keep being up emulators?

>> No.1740516

>this is how vr responds to bait
you're embarrassing me dad

>> No.1740517 [DELETED] 

Your point is that emulation is a better solution than playing a CRT because it is free and, in your opinion, better. And that's fine, but completely irrelevant. Emulation has jack-all to do with this thread. There are many people in this thread who emulate on their CRT televisions and monitors, as you can't really get 240p out of an LCD. It looks little to no different than a real console would. I don't know where you get the confusion that you somehow can only emulate on an LCD monitor or HDTV.

>> No.1740519 [DELETED] 

>Most of them do, retard.
>Save for a few consoles like N64 emulators, which are poorly coded.
There are no perfect emulators for fifth gen and up mostly due to it being insanely resource intensive to do cycle-accurate emulation.
SNES is the latest a home computer can accurately do these days.

>> No.1740523
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>piracy leads to more sales.

>> No.1740527

inb4 zsnes runs on a toaster

>> No.1740529

higan (emulator) needs like 3+ ghz

>> No.1740532 [DELETED] 

How about actually refuting my points with your own points instead of just saying "you're wrong" over and over again?

Like I said in previous posts, they do everything the original consoles and TVs did for free and better.

>hurr people who don't share the same viewpoints as me are troll
Nah, you're just a retarded cunt.
Such a shame that everyone has this boogeyman mentality that someone is out to bait them.

I'm just saying it's pointless to even buy them or have them anymore.
They're completely irrelevant.

It's more of a proof of concept thing.
As time passes, emulators will only get better and faster and stronger.
Shit, I can play PS2 games in 1080p in perfect HD at 60fps, something you couldn't do with a regular PS2 and TV.

Nice reaction image and greentext maymays, you sure showed me.

>> No.1740537

what is that game?

>> No.1740543

You realize you are bait right?
You came to this thread looking for an arguement about crt vs emulation which are not exclusive and you got one.

>> No.1740547

>I'm just saying it's pointless to even buy them or have them anymore.
>They're completely irrelevant.

Considering the fact that there don't exist 240p native LCDs and upscaling a 320x224 video game to 1920x1080 looks abysmal no matter what you do to it -- nevermind the input lag that's still prominent in current LCDs -- yes, they're still relevant. Old technology was made for old technology.

>Shit, I can play PS2 games in 1080p in perfect HD at 60fps, something you couldn't do with a regular PS2 and TV.

Yes, and those look fine because the PS2 can be fully re-rendered in high resolutions. The consoles that /vr/ pertains to, besides the Dreamcast, do not.

>> No.1740549

>Like I said in previous posts, they do everything the original consoles and TVs did for free and better.

you didn't even respond to that point.

>CRT's don't have blurring or motion smearing

emulators can't fix that.

>CRT's don't have input lag

emulators can't fix that either.

>> No.1740552









>> No.1740561 [SPOILER]  [DELETED] 
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stop samefaging you troll.

you have nothing to back up your pointless argument.

now, lets all go fap to some retro game porn.

>> No.1740583

So how good are these exactly?
I'm coming into some money soon, and while I have a CRT it's apparently busted (see: >>1733415)

>> No.1740609

This is the biggest shitpost in this thread.

>> No.1740619

What are you talking about?

I prefer the CRT because it doesn't have input lag and doesn't blur scrolling images.

Might not be a big deal except older games were designed around no input lag and some games become unbeatable or more difficult in a not so fun way.

>> No.1740680

because thats the form the game was designed to be displayed in. I like using emulators, too, but the retro game's natural environment is on a CRT.

Its like drinking wine out of a can. there's nothing wrong with it... technically...

>> No.1740784

Guys, how do you make space for the CRT? I have an old Trinitron I wanna put to good use but it takes up too much space on the table.

>> No.1740791

just use a flatscreen with a crt shader

unless you sit like 2 inches from the screen you cant tell the different

>> No.1740895

And throw away a perfectly working Trinitron? Nope.

>> No.1740915


As much space as the CRT can take, you can alway make a support to put on your CRT, so you could put other thinks on it. Just be sure not to obstruct the ventilation holes.

>> No.1741007

So, I want to run some emulators on my PVM...What should I shoot for when setting the resolution on the emulators? Should I try to get them closest to the console's native resolution that I can, or should I just set them to the PVM's max resolution?

>> No.1741012


Use the native resolution, the PVM won't have any problem displaying all the resolutions he support (it's not an LCD). Just make sure you force your graphic card to output a 15kHz RGB signal.

>> No.1741785

If CRTs are so good, how come they are deprecated?

>> No.1741794


They're heavy, big, power hungry, and their performance with digital high-definition signals is surpassed by good LCDs. However, for this one niche application they're the best one can get.

>> No.1741853

I've had good luck with furniture from goodwill and craigslist. A nice TV stand can go a long way.

>> No.1742113


A wheeled one especially alleviates the pain of moving your CRT around your house.

>> No.1742565

Because flat panels are larger and sleeker. People want form over function.

>> No.1742708

Is it at all possible to swap chassis/power boards/other things I've seen them called between different CRTs? Say for example I have my 1985 Trinitron XBR, which has an extremely nice picture, however, it's a pain in the ass because you need a weird ass cable to get anything out of it other than composite. Let's say I wanted to swap out it's chassis for one from the more recent component equipped KV-27FS100. Would it be possible? Would it work?

I ask because I've heard of people using arcade monitor chassis with tubes from regular old TVs.

>> No.1742873

plasma > crt

>> No.1742903


>> No.1742929

referring to >>>/g/42838328

>> No.1742959


How much is it? Do you have something to test it?

>> No.1742963


If you're into Amiga stuff, yeah why not. If you're into old computers like Apple II, C=64/C=128, PC-XT with CGA/EGA chipset, it's a good monitor too. If you're into consoles, you can take it if you like composite. However if you want to use it with a modern PC, well nope, it's not really the right kind of monitor for you.

>> No.1742967


Also this >>1742959. If it's 85$ like someone said on the thread, no, don't get it. It's worth 10 bucks maximum.

>> No.1742990
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>not using CRT and LCD at the same time

>> No.1743012

Not really in the sense you're talking about. You can do what someone else did and mod in a SCART connector to the multi in port but that's about it. You could also if you so desired get a YPbPr to RGB converter but they're kinda expensive.

>> No.1743054


Yeah, I've looked into it, haven't had any luck. It would probably help if that whole page wasn't in Korean.

>> No.1743057

Can we talk about upscalers here, or shall I make a new thread?

>> No.1743064


I don't see what upscalers have to do with CRTs so yeah, make a new thread.

>> No.1743068

I also found a Hitachi SuperScan 751 for $35
CRT's are hard to come by

>> No.1743071


There's no tilt correction? My Widescreen Tau has that. It naturally tilts a bit to the right, but a few clicks to adjust and its fine.

>> No.1743081

Okay, thanks.
Was just asking for future reference.

>> No.1743172

Can someone explain to me TV lines, and how they are related (or unrelated) to resolution standards like 480i/p, and what they do or do not have to do with the types of signals a television can accept?

I apologize, it's just something I hadn't considered until recently and now I am both confused and intrigued, and I'm struggling to find straight answers. What is a "good" number of TV lines? Does a higher number have anything to do with the ability to display SD/HD content?

>> No.1743175

Older ones don't have that, especially ones that don't have a OSD.

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>> No.1743191

Google will go along way, bud.

>> No.1743259

"Lines" is the maximum number of lines the guns can draw with each pass. With an interlaced signal it draws half the lines on the way down the screen and the other half on the way up so it can have double the number of "lines" in interlaced resolution. For 1080i it needs to have 540 lines.

>> No.1743272
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In a nutshell, for retro you want something that can do 480i natively. That's standard definition.

Here's the long answer. 480 refers to the number of horizontal lines a typical SD tv has. If the 480 is followed by an "i", that means it is an interlaced signal. An interlaced signal is one in which every other horizontal line is redrawn every other frame. In frame one, all even horizontal lines are drawn. In frame 2, all odd horizontal lines are drawn. This alternating of lines by frame is usually unnoticable to the human eye.

If the 480 is followed by a "p", that means it's a progressive signal. A progressive signal is one in which all horizontal lines are redrawn every frame.

480i is standard definition, 480p is enhanced definition.

Most retro games will output a 240p signal. Professional monitors like those made by Mitsubishi, Ikegami, NEC, and Sony can render that 240p signal natively and perfectly. Some of these monitors support Multiscan, meaning they can also natively display video at it's correct resolution, regardless of whether it's standard, enhanced, or high definition. Consumer grade HDTVs will instead try to upscale the image to a higher resolution, resulting in lag.

Most consumer televisions of the time period will upscale the 240p signal to 480i, and fill in the image with big fat scanliiiiiiiiiiiiines. This is totally fine for retro. See example.

>> No.1743284

Gotcha. Thank you. Are they usually specified at its max number of lines progressive, or interlaced?
I'm curious because I just bought a PVM that claims to handle 500. I hadn't intended on doing anything above 240p with it necessarily, but the idea of 480p also is nice.

>> No.1743285

>Most consumer televisions of the time period will upscale the 240p signal to 480i, and fill in the image with big fat scanliiiiiiiiiiiiines

What the fuck are you on about? Consumer-level CRTs do no such upscaling, nor is there any "filling". The scanlines are simply empty gaps which arise from the TV only drawing every other line every frame.

>> No.1743287

As far as PVMs go only the L5 models can do 480p and above.

>> No.1743289

Drat, I replied before I saw this, but thank you also anon!

>> No.1743294

Ah, mine can't then. Ah well.

>> No.1743308

1.Push menu and enter at the same time
2.Be very careful

>> No.1743349
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Am I wrong? I don't get scanlines on games that output at 480i natively.

Here's the same tv with Ocarina of Time, through s-video. Lotsa scanlines, 'cuz OoT's native res is 240p.

>> No.1743354

It's a measure of sharpness. More lines mean a sharper picture. They measured by the number of alternating white and black lines that can be resolved horizontally. It is not a measure of display resolution(480p/720p/etc); These higher resolution tubes(like the L5 as mentioned in >>1743287) will usually have a higher TV line count, but this is not the determining factor in and of itself. My 20M2MDU is an SD(no 480p) set and has a line count of 600; I believe the 20M4U is rated at 800 lines, yet is still an SD only set. Both sets can do 240p and 480i perfectly fine, but the M4U will have a sharper, more crisp picture.

>Most consumer televisions of the time period will upscale the 240p signal to 480i, and fill in the image with big fat scanliiiiiiiiiiiiines
240p is 480i, just with both fields overlapped; That is what results in scanlines. While there are some TVs that would ignore the "request" to overlap the fields, most will do it without any fuss.

Can't respond very easily due to a stupid ban on /v/. Having a friend post for me. -KyaDash

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And here's a snippet of Star Ocean: Til The End of Time, through s-video. Native res is 480i, no scanlines.

>> No.1743382

480i won't have scanlines because scanlines are a product of filling a "480i" screen with 240 progressive lines of image.

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That's because the display is made for 480i. Most TVs are.

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Right, that's what I was trying to say. 240p on a 480i television: uses scanlines to make the image fill the screen. 480i on a 480i television: no scanlines, because native res.

Here's the tv I did the close-ups on if anyone was interested.

>> No.1743625

CRT monitor != CRT television

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>> No.1744226

Not really related to the thread but christ upgrade that cable box, man. That things older than the hills.

>> No.1745713

>Most consumer televisions of the time period will upscale the 240p signal to 480i, and fill in the image with big fat scanliiiiiiiiiiiiines.
This is absolutely utterly wrong dude.

>> No.1745716

>OoT's native res is 240p.
No it's not. It's 480i

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