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Anonymous Mon May 26 22:25:45 2014 No.1648980 [Reply] [Original]

What's the greatest RPG of the SNES library and why is it Secret of Mana

Hard mode - No Earthbound

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:27:22 2014 No.1648985 >>1648980 Troll harder.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:28:21 2014 No.1648986 >>1648980 Live a Live If you're a SaGa fan, Romancing SaGa 3. If you speak Moon and are a SaGa fan, Romancing SaGa 3's crossover hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:30:21 2014 No.1648993 File: 61 KB, 666x558, confused shark.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] but secret of mana is not chrono trigger

Anonymous Mon May 26 22:33:13 2014 No.1648997

I really wish I could agree with you OP, especially since SoM was my first JRPG and still makes me all nostalgic whenever I play it.

But the game is simply too flawed. You can break it way too easily and most spells are plain useless. It's still a great game, I just wish they would've put more time in it.

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:34:01 2014 No.1649003 I personally like Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy III, Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:36:19 2014 No.1649008 >>1648985 I'm not? Are you mad you couldn't say earthbound? >>1648997 All fair points. However, it has a redeeming quality of which most RPGs don't have. dat co-op

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:38:05 2014 No.1649016 Proof by contradiction: Chrono Trigger is better.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:39:57 2014 No.1649021 >>1649016 which is a clone of SoM

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:44:29 2014 No.1649031 File: 31 KB, 500x314, double_facepalm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1649021

Anonymous Mon May 26 22:46:27 2014 No.1649035
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>>1649021
did you even play CT? Yes, it was made by squaresoft, and yes it has a protag with red hair and a chick with blond hair and white pants too but that's about where the similarities end...

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:48:55 2014 No.1649039 >>1649031 SoM > August 6, 1993 CT >March 11, 1995 >implying squaresoft didn't use SoM as a foundation for CT

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:49:50 2014 No.1649041 File: 3 KB, 125x125, Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8out of8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1649039

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:50:59 2014 No.1649045 >>1649041 You said it yourself here >>1649035 Identical protag and support characters. Hmm wonder where they got that idea from.

Anonymous Mon May 26 22:51:22 2014 No.1649046

>>1649008
>has a redeeming quality of which most RPGs don't have.

Drunken co-op Secret of Mana is fun as shit, although not as fun as Gauntlet Legends because you can't really fuck over your friends.

SD3 is better then secret of mana imo, although I do like a lot of the things that are in secret of mana that arent in sd3, like the weapons and shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:52:23 2014 No.1649049 >>1649045 Are you really this dumb or are you just fucking around?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 22:54:50 2014 No.1649053 >>1649049 stop responding

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:09:03 2014 No.1649094 >>1649021 lol wut

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:19:56 2014 No.1649117 File: 56 KB, 600x413, terra.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sup nigger. >>1649000 3 is better.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:20:12 2014 No.1649120 >>1648980 Great, now i'll have the Lich's battle theme stuck in my head for the rest of the night. On topic: FF6 is a timeless classic for me. Earthbound, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Seiken Densetsu 3 are all strong contenders too

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:32:31 2014 No.1649148 Shin Megami Tensei was pretty neat, and i'm not even into jRPGs.

Anonymous Mon May 26 23:42:51 2014 No.1649164
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>>1648986

Live a Live is good but I can't say it's the best overall RPG of the bunch mainly because the battles are imbalanced and/or short lived and by the end of the game it just becomes a boring RPG losing all the charm.

You could argue the flaws are repaired by its strengths (short story scenarios that destroy the point of even grinding), but there are just some aspects that could have been better.

the best one is Chrono Trigger

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:01:52 2014 No.1649206 WRPG > JRPG

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:03:11 2014 No.1649209 File: 15 KB, 256x223, eotb1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1649206 Fucking reply box no longer tabs from captcha to file select button, it goes to the goddamn post button WTF meant to post this

Anonymous Tue May 27 00:11:34 2014 No.1649228

>>1649209
I absolutely loved this game. The atmosphere, game play, and music was excellent. I actually felt a sense of exploration. There was never a need to grind. It combined the best of first person dungeon exploration with real time battles. I replayed this one so many times that I knew all the areas by instinct without the need to draw any maps. Too bad the sequels sucked and there's no modern game of similar vein that is as good as this one. I wish the Japanese picked up on this series instead of Wizardry. Wizardry is good except for its grinding hell. :(

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:46:30 2014 No.1649289 File: 95 KB, 640x480, Shadowrun4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >What's your favorite Squaresoft RPG? Sorry, but I have no interest in getting on the Square bandwagon. Do you guys ever play games by other developers?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:01:29 2014 No.1649307 >>1648980 Even if you like Secret of Mana so much, I can't understand why you'd think it's the best RPG when Seiken Densetsu 3 was way better.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:17:01 2014 No.1649334 >>1649209 Is this the SNES version? any good? i like dungeon crawlers a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:27:56 2014 No.1649354 >>1648980 >H-hey guys I'm over here

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:29:09 2014 No.1649358 >>1649289 But Shadowrun's second half is really mediocre. I liked the game, but the later half of the game just dragged on for me. I got bored by the end.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:29:14 2014 No.1649359 >>1649289 People other than Sqauresoft made RPGs?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:29:44 2014 No.1649360 >>1649359 Yes, but not good ones on the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:32:40 2014 No.1649362 Front mission. Yup.

Anonymous Tue May 27 01:34:52 2014 No.1649368

>>1649359
>>1649360
You have Atlus and Neverland for starters. They made some good shit. As well as Enix.

Squaresoft still made my favorites on the system. But there's no reason to try to turn this thread into a franchise war zone just because his favorite RPG on the SNES wasn't made by Square. That's just being a faggot of the highest caliber.

Anonymous Tue May 27 01:40:57 2014 No.1649381

>>1649368

Atlus sucks. Most of their RPGs are generic dungeon crawlers and linear dating sims that are hashed out like bad fanfics.

>But there's no reason to try to turn this thread into a franchise war zone

That wasn't my intention. I don't want the discussion to be a one-dimensional Square circlejerk. There are other series and developers worth mentioning, even for the SNES.

>blah blah faggot ad hominem

Two wrongs don't make a right.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:41:12 2014 No.1649382 Definitely SMRPG.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:43:38 2014 No.1649387 >>1649228 Now, I never played this, so I can't make the most accurate comparison, but you might like Grimrock.

Anonymous Tue May 27 01:46:10 2014 No.1649391

>>1649381
>Most of their RPGs are generic dungeon crawlers and linear dating sims that are hashed out like bad fanfics.

Son, if you're going to shit on things, it helps if you've played them first.

>I don't want the discussion to be a one-dimensional Square circlejerk.

And what's the issue with that? If you want to add new games to the discussion, do so without being a faggot about it.

>blah blah faggot ad hominem

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know what "ad hominem" is?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:56:52 2014 No.1649413 >>1649117 Terranigma isn't even fun. It's pretty fucking bad as far as ARPGs go actually.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:58:27 2014 No.1649417 FF5

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 08:31:07 2014 No.1649738 >Ctrl+F >No Evermore Absolutely_Disgusting.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:51:14 2014 No.1649791 >>1649021 Not a clone but they were originally one game before they diverged into two different games. Which explains the similarities in the spritework and character designs.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:58:05 2014 No.1649796 >>1649228 Play Dungeon Master, it's better than EotB

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:59:35 2014 No.1649801 >>1648980 >SoM >not SD3 Do you even snes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:59:41 2014 No.1649802 >>1649791 butthatswrongyoufuckingfaggot.png

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:03:46 2014 No.1649804 >ctrl+f >Earthbound, FF6, Chrono Trigger Yup, this is /vr/ alright.

Anonymous Tue May 27 10:04:07 2014 No.1649805

>>1649801
SD3 is fun and intredasting but very, very short. SoM is less smooth about the edges and only nearly as fun but much, much longer. It's like... would you prefer to honk some 9/10 girl's tits but not get to fuck her or go all the way with a 7¾/10 girl?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:05:55 2014 No.1649809 File: 334 KB, 700x840, 1396735328452.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1649805 I'd honk Angela's tits

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:07:02 2014 No.1649810 >>1649805 >SD3 is fun and intredasting but very, very short Well it does have 3 endbosses, so you can just play it twice more...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:10:32 2014 No.1649815 >>1649802 But that's actually correct, it was called Maru Island. http://thefbe.com/chrono-trigger-and-secret-of-mana-originate-from-the-same-project/ Please be inform yourself so you don't look like a buffoon next time.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:10:51 2014 No.1649817 >>1649809 Okay, would you rather honk Angela's tits or fuck Liesl/Riesz? >inb4 Carly

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:13:02 2014 No.1649820 >>1649817 >Okay, would you rather honk Angela's tits or fuck Liesl/Riesz? I thought you were supposed to be comparing SD3 and SoM. Both of them are in SD3. 3some imminent

Anonymous Tue May 27 10:16:44 2014 No.1649824

>>1649049
>Despite that, the CD-ROM adapter was never completed. Once everyone learned that the CD-ROM adapter was never going to see a release, they decided to abandon everything that had been planned for development since the very start, including Toriyama-sensei's contributions, and decided to revise the project in order to make it release into a ROM cassette. We said that we would wait for the CD-ROM to make a collaboration project with Toriyama-sensei, but when it was revised, it actually became an entirely different project with an entirely different direction. That was what later on was completed into the game we know as Chrono Trigger.

http://www.squareenixmusic.com/features/liners/seikendensetsubox.shtml

Yes, Chrono Trigger originated from Secret of Mana.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 10:28:31 2014 No.1649835 File: 181 KB, 630x840, ed5ca17871f09262b152e12d9ebe8bda.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1649817 >>1649820 let's just assume he said Purim instead of Riesz well she's quite a vixen, hard choice

Anonymous Tue May 27 10:41:33 2014 No.1649839
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Excuse me. I'd like to point out this masterpiece.
The atmosphere.
The music.
The artwork.
The characters.

I'm not saying Chrono Trigger and the Seiken Densetsu series aren't great. I'm saying the butler did it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:16:10 2014 No.1649871 >>1649815 >conjecture Uhuh. Sure. Ya got it, dollface. Did you know Schala was meant to be a playable character and that CT is based on the FFVI engine?!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:17:49 2014 No.1649873 >>1649835 >picking a Jew whore over a German goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:23:13 2014 No.1649876 >>1649871 Let's not forget that FFVII is just a remake of FFVI and that Squall was braindead the whole time in FFVIII and he's just living out his subconscious fulfillment fantasies!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:26:27 2014 No.1649882 >>1649871 >>conjecture Except it isn't, it was explicitly stated by Hiromichi Tanaka in the Seiken Densetsu Music Complete Book. Now be quiet, you've been proven wrong already.

Anonymous Tue May 27 11:41:58 2014 No.1649907

>>1649882
>somehow, one idea splitting off into two projects means that the two projects are
>a) related and
>b) based one on the other
>somehow, reading more into it than what's there and reaching this illogical conclusion isn't total conjecture
Let me guess: state schooled?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:45:47 2014 No.1649913 >>1649907 >>1649882 >conjecture - noun >an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. Sounds like saying that CT >>1649021 >is a clone of SoM fits that definition pretty definitively. As definitions are wont to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:46:25 2014 No.1649915 >>1649907 Are you fucking stupid, son? The fact they "split off" from the same project means they're related in their early development, simple as that. They don't have much relation past early development. It's not that hard to get dumbfuck.

Anonymous Tue May 27 11:55:31 2014 No.1649919

>>1649907
Seeing >>1649913, I realise that the person stating that they originated both from the same idea differs from the person saying that one is based on the other.
Had I realised this earlier in the thread, I would not have contested it. I was contesting the clone accusation, not that the two originated from the same idea.
Apologies to you, >>1649882, for my misreading. Friends? Ƹ(°_°)Ʒ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 11:58:08 2014 No.1649921 >>1649915 see >>1649919 I misunderstood your point and was arguing against a different point, one you didn't make but someone else did. Apologies. Seamos amigos?

Anonymous Tue May 27 13:59:29 2014 No.1650074

>>1649839
The game is garbage and isn't even a footnote in Snes Rpg history. The music was good, what little of it there was, but most of the time it was dull ambient tripe. Other than the music, I can't think of anything positive to say about this game. It was such a mess that the team never made another Square Rpg again.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 14:26:43 2014 No.1650134 >>1649289 Kinda

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 14:28:09 2014 No.1650138 File: 41 KB, 300x219, Inindo_boxart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1650134 forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:06:41 2014 No.1650209 >>1649209 Excuse me for being a faggot but, what game is this?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:16:59 2014 No.1650235 >>1650209 Eye of le Beholder.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:29:08 2014 No.1650264 >>1648980 Cliche, but mine is Super Mario RPG.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:57:21 2014 No.1650304 >>1650074 So often on the internet you run into people who love to rant about this game while knowing next to nothing about it. I bet you also think it was responsible for keeping SD3 out of NA and EU.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 16:09:33 2014 No.1650321 You just can't ask us to say the best game and then lock us out of saying the best game.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 17:40:10 2014 No.1650571 >CTRL+F >No lufia I am saddened, /vr/

Anonymous Tue May 27 19:46:05 2014 No.1650848

>>1649228
>sequels sucked.

What?

The second game was great. It was basically more of the same with a little added character in the form of fleshed out plot and dialogue and some great monsters, too (the demons that looked like Snuffalufagus, for instance).

I do agree that the third was pretty shit, but I also only played it until I beat the mausoleum. After that I just lost interest. So maybe it had some redeeimg value later?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:51:17 2014 No.1650860 >>1650264 same here it was an odd eclectic mix of Mario and square rpgs but it felt so right

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:10:46 2014 No.1650915 File: 218 KB, 595x1000, Nerapa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1648980 HA HA HA.

Anonymous Tue May 27 20:21:23 2014 No.1650936
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>>1650915
but seriously FFVI is best

pincer attack me in the world of ruin and ill still get the drop on you

pic related: me and my girl. she just stole the show performing an opera and then got kidnapped by the worlds only airship owner right after (shit was not so treasure hunting)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:38:56 2014 No.1650979 File: 864 KB, 984x1939, Tower_of_gods_ffvi_concept_art.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1650936 this was the best battle sequence & music. in gaming. EVER. prove me wrong i think square is more afraid to remake this game than VII

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:52:08 2014 No.1651006 File: 242 KB, 1024x768, Secret Of Mana.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1649817 >Not Kevin

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:54:54 2014 No.1651015 >>1649805 How is SD3 short by any stretch? You gotta go through a lot of content to find the mana stones, then find and fight the 8 god beasts then the final dungeon. It was a good length, especially without using a guide.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:55:07 2014 No.1651017 >>1650936 Why are they both dressed as whores in that picture?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:56:29 2014 No.1651021 >>1651017 Because they are both whores?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:02:22 2014 No.1651037 File: 1.62 MB, 2000x1230, FFVI.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1650979 >See first post >Dark Lich theme starts playing in my head >Get here >DancingMad.mp3

Anonymous Tue May 27 21:09:28 2014 No.1651057

>>1648980
>What's the greatest RPG of the SNES library and why is it Secret of Mana
A good question.

>Music
Pretty great
>Graphics
Ehhh... Okay. Great for its time, but later SNES titles overshadow it considerably. Terranigma, Secret of Evermore, Chrono Trigger are all superior in this regard. Evermore is even creative.
>Dungeons
Piss-easy. Too easy.
>Bosses
Inspired, but there's no challenge after the first tiger. Well, the first boss on the lost continent can kill you if he uses magic barrier early.
>Combat
Really, really bad. The percentage gauge will never, ever be a good thing. Magic is overpowered. Most weapons are pointless - people will invariably flock to lance, sword, axe. Bow exclusively for the first tiger.
>Story
Standard jrpg fare. Yawn.
>Difficulty curve
Complete shit. Either you buy the best armour on the lost continent and you get through the volcano with ease, or you miss it - which is easy to do on a first playthrough - and you invariably get your shit wrecked.

Is Secret of Mana fun?

Yes.

But it's got some pretty significant flaws that other games just don't have.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:11:29 2014 No.1651060 >>1649289 Is this game any good? I picked it up CIB with manuals and posters for $15. I got the genesis version any differebxe between this and the SNES version

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:12:43 2014 No.1651062 >>1651057 >music >pretty great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62mz4WbNx8w

Anonymous Tue May 27 21:14:57 2014 No.1651069
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>>1651017
locke went from rachel, woulda tried with terra, and got caught up with celes. he and edgar got all the babes all the time. surprised someone like him knows a king?

you know celes was hit on by edgar, setzer, experimented on by kefka, etc

>>1651037 ive listened to both since the thread started too, by now im on the 6 hrs of balance and ruin remixes

Anonymous Tue May 27 21:58:06 2014 No.1651115

>>1651060
they're completely different games. SNES version is point-and-click controlled (but it doesn't use the snes mouse, you just use the dpad for mouse movement) with much less customization. You can't even shadowrun. On the flipside it's more story-driven.

Delicious Flat Level !9Y.AGAi22w Tue May 27 22:11:05 2014 No.1651137
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>>1648980
Super Mario RPG is the best, though it's strange more people don't think that. Square was at their peak when they made it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:16:44 2014 No.1651150 >>1648980 I don't know why but I feel like Secret of Mana is the perfect SNES RPG yet I'm too shit at playing games to play through it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:19:02 2014 No.1651158 >>1649815 Holy shit I always thought Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana felt similar without really knowing why, guess that explains it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:21:28 2014 No.1651162 EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD ARE THE SAME PEOPLE AS IN THE 'CHRONO TRIGGER IS THE BEST RPG THREAD'

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:27:07 2014 No.1651181 >>1650138 I'm really curious about this.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:28:17 2014 No.1651189 >>1651021 >Because they are both whores? So basically, "what if FF6 was designed by Tetsuya Nomura"?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:28:49 2014 No.1651190 File: 51 KB, 512x448, 3-capture_24072011_201100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1651162

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:31:09 2014 No.1651195 File: 309 KB, 865x907, Goddess_ffvi_concept_art.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1651189 he did the majority of monster designs, and the minority of character designs (setzer and shadow)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:32:53 2014 No.1651196 File: 10 KB, 480x320, 15-ffvi16_024.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1651195 scratch that, character concepts i meant, amano still did the character artork

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:35:49 2014 No.1651208 >>1651037 >They all have extremely dangerous weapons or are extremely strong >Lock is thin as fuck and has a boomerang

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:48:01 2014 No.1651236 File: 386 KB, 733x1000, AmanoCrusader1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1651208 I almost fucking posted that earlier are you in my party?

Anonymous Tue May 27 22:51:26 2014 No.1651243

>>1650936
Why do people like this kind of horrible animu fan art?
Whenever I see shit like this, instead of reinforcing my enjoyment of the source material, it makes me feel embarrassed that I share an interest with whoever drew that fuckawful abomination.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:58:45 2014 No.1651261 File: 22 KB, 256x220, 4chan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1651243

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 23:03:30 2014 No.1651270 >>1651115 What about the Genesis?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 23:06:16 2014 No.1651273 File: 9 KB, 260x194, fourchan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1651261

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 23:08:23 2014 No.1651282 >>1651261 ZOZO? NEVER HEARD OF IT!

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