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1647205 No.1647205[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Why can I play it 100 times over and have fun every time, yet I can't bring myself to even play FF13

>> No.1647206

Because you can actually do things in FF7.

>> No.1647214

I never completed it.
Come to think of it, I dropped every last FF I played somewhere near the end. I simply lose interest by then.

>> No.1647218

>>1647214
FFVII kinda sucks because the last gauntlet to run is pretty long. I liked FF8 because they give you a save right at the end before the final boss.

Can't remember the SNES Final fantasies, but I recall not having to go super far from a save point in any of them.

>> No.1647220

>>1647218
You get the save crystal at the beginning of the crater, you can put a save wherever you want. Except that one room where you split up. Don't put it there. I learned that the hard way.

>> No.1647221

>>1647220
I never used it, mainly because i didn't know where would be a good spot, and by the time I did know, I know I'm going to go all the way anyways.

>> No.1647223

You're not missing anything that's already been said and shown about FFXIII. Go and enjoy FFVII as much as you want.

>> No.1647245

>>1647205
It's one of those games with that intangible quality that makes it irresistible no matter how many times you play it, and no matter how many years have passed since its release. You can't put your finger on any one thing about it, but it really is one of an elite few games that never seems to get old.

>> No.1647440

I beat FF7 for the first time in a classroom/ movie theater in the 90s. It was glorious.

I just realized now that I havnt played the game since. I just checked and i still have my old saves transferred to my ps3.

The question is.. should I play it again. It would probably be like playing it again for the first time. Ive been holding out because I assumed there would be a re-release by now. There hasnt been.

Maybe I'll use gamefaqs to blast through it?

>> No.1647459

>>1647440
>gamefaqs

Naaaaa man you should run through it again with the excitement of rediscovering everything on your own again. Seriously if you enjoyed something and it has been years just go into it without any guides again. Normally when i like something i play the fuck out of it and regret wearing it out, been learning to experience a game/movie and let it go for a few years so i can replay it fresh.

90s classroom/movietheater sounds like a fucking dream

>> No.1647479

>>1647205

>why can't i bring myself to play FF13

Because FF13 is garbage?

>> No.1647482

Same reason I can play FF1 and FF4 100 times over and have fun every time, yet I can't enjoy FF7: because it was amongst your first RPGs. In 17 years, today's tweens and preteens will say the same thing, swapping in FFXIII for FFVII and FFXIX for FFXIII.

>Why can I play FF13 100 times over and have fun every time, yet I can't bring myself to even play FF19?

>> No.1647497

>>1647221

your fucking fault

>> No.1647504

I still don't get what the devs were thinking. The overworld models were ugly as sin even in 1997. And it's not like they were taxing the system, seeing as the models moved on top of a 2d background.

>> No.1647506

Sounds like a personal problem.

>> No.1647529

>>1647504

there are a lot of unknowns in early console release in terms of processing and finalizing. for all we know artists could have been learning to 3D model while they were working on ff7 only to improve by the time they started ff8. Also they probably didnt want to go near the limitations too much and stuck with simple. I actually like the character models since they're small and simple and remind me of the sprites in the earlier games.

they have a large range of animations and emotions despite being really primitive. all the fmv shit in ff13 could never amount to some of the best scenes in ff7

>> No.1647530

Because 7 is good but 13 is shit. This isn't hard to figure out. Supposedly the last 13 sequel has alright gameplay, but still has an absolute nonsense story with shitty characters.

>> No.1647556

>>1647482
This argument would make more sense if FF13 was actually a good game.

Even people that jumped into the series late thought it was garbage. Everyone hoped FFXIII was going to be good. Sold about 7 million copies, I think. Now, Lightning Returns hasn't even broken a million. No one likes this shit. The fanbase has completely fucked off.

The only people that defend it are diehard weeaboos that have deluded themselves into thinking that Square is still just as good now as they were back in the 90's.

>> No.1647574

Because FF7>100x=FF13

>> No.1647603

>>1647482
Actually not. In your case, the reason is that you're a scrub. Personally I enjoy pretty much every main FF title. IX and XII are my favorites.

XIII, however, is shit. There was no good main FF title in the 7th gen. 6th gen, yes. 5th, sure. 4th too. So did the 3rd. But XIII is dreck.

If anything, YOU are the one overly attached to childhood gaming. My first RPG was Legend of Legaia and my first FF was VIII, and I enjoyed I through XII just fine.

>> No.1647624

nostalgia poisoning; you're hanging onto old memories and are complacent to anything new

>> No.1647628

>>1647624
>and are complacent to anything new
???

>> No.1647639

>>1647556
Just as I've a strong aversion to the extreme sameness of every character in FFVII (everyone can do everything with the right materia), the vast majority of younger players for whom FFVII was amongst their first experiences in RPGs liked that mechanic a great deal.
Similarly, just as you and I may not like that FFXIII was a better FF movie than Spirits Within could ever hope to be, younger players may actually enjoy that, quite befuddling to us both.

>>1647603
>if you don't like what i like, you're wrong
You are a very, very bad person.

>> No.1647656

>>1647639
>2014
>posting an unrelated answer that has jackshit to do with the subject
shig

>> No.1647657

>>1647639
>younger players may actually enjoy that, quite befuddling to us both.

But they largely didn't, as evidenced by sales of XIII's sequel dropping to half of its predecessor, and the third title doing so poorly that SE has taken note.

>> No.1647658

>>1647639
>Just as I've a strong aversion to the extreme sameness of every character in FFVII
VII didn't start that.

>> No.1647659

>>1647639
Well yeah, kids tend to like just about any game you put in front of them.

But it's pretty damn apparent that a lot of people became disenchanted with the series.

A good majority of the people that bought XIII hated it, or at leas thought it was mediocre. You won't have the tons of people praising XIII the same way people now proclaim VII to be the best game ever, if only because XIII didn't sell as much as VII did.

Even moreso with the sequels, just from the fact that they sold like shit compared to every other Final Fantasy.

Video game forums 15 years from now, there will be "that guy" that played them and actually liked them, and will defend them while everyone else wishes he would shut the fuck up.

>> No.1647664

>>1647214
That sounds like me but only with FF3.
I'm afraid to try FF7 because of this considering everyone loves FF3.

>> No.1647665

>>1647659
>Video game forums 15 years from now, there will be "that guy" that played them and actually liked them, and will defend them while everyone else wishes he would shut the fuck up.

I recall being on a site where somebody rabidly defended XIII, and he turned out to be a rapist.

>> No.1647678

>>1647628
You are beholding the IQ of someone who doesn't like FF7.

>> No.1647690

>>1647658
Never said it did, Anon.

>>1647657
Wouldn't know. Haven't been keeping myself abreast of that sort of thing. However, Demon's Crest had supposedly abysmal sales when the SNES was still being made but it's a classic now, no? Perhaps FFXIII will be held in similar regards some day.

Just because I dislike both FFVII and FFXIII doesn't mean I would discount others' enjoyment of them. I don't understand it, but I don't have to. It's not for me to get. I like plenty of things other people think me quite mad for liking. I also dislike many things other people would think me mad for disliking.
I began to grow disenfranchised from the series with the release of FFVI then entirely disenchanted by FFVIII. I liked FFIX but haven't played any FF newer than that one save 4 Heroes because flash cart.

While not /vr/, if anyone ITT greatly enjoys/ed FF1 and has a DS flash cart, try the translation patched rom of 7th Dragon. It's like a cutesy cross between FF1, Dragon Quest/Warrior 1 and some cutesy RPG in SD style I remember playing a while back that I can't quite remember what it was...
Anyway, it's pretty good.

>> No.1647742

>>1647214
yep. me too. ff8 dropped on 2nd or 3rd disc, 7/9/10/12 dropped before last fight orlast dungeon..

>> No.1647872

>>1647482
I dunno about that one man

>> No.1647896

>>1647482
This is bullshit. I played FF1 back in the day. It was my first RPG. I didn't play FF6 until college (never had an SNES growing up) and I still loved it. I enjoyed FF7 although I do think it's a bit overrated. This nostalgia argument is just stupid.

And yes, FF13 is shit. By the way, so is FF10. I loved FF9 though.

>> No.1648093

How can you guys take Final Fantasy 7 seriously when the English script is so laughably bad. Do you guys even read the text when playing?

>> No.1648126

>>1648093
It's a video game. You know, this interactive toy where you push buttons to make colors, shapes and sound appear on TV.

>> No.1648127

>>1647896
So how is X shit but IX good? IX was a giant step back in the series whereas X had some a shit ton of optional boss battles that you didn't even need to dungeon crawl to fight. Summons were fucking awesome too you actually played as them instead of it being just like any other spell.

I liked the Ark summon in IX though, so much carpet bombing.

>> No.1648140

>>1648127
I'm not a big 9 fan, but X is not a great game. I got the HD remake recently and was really looking forward to it, since I had great memories of the game but hadn't replayed it recently, unlike my other favorites 4 and 7. Turns out it hasn't stood the test of time at all. So slow, so on rails, so much listening to poorly acted, unskippable dialogue. I honestly now think 7 was the last classic FF game and after that they just forgot how to do the formula right.

>> No.1648157

>>1648140
Yeah I fucking hate unskippable dialogue but the sphere grid was great and actually tough superbosses. Only thing I didn't like was how laughably easy Omega Weapon was and being on rails mostly.

Worst in the series for me was II, calls heroes "ordinary" at the end despite having four digit HPs (while at the beginning when they're logically actually ordinary it's only double digit), and hitting yourself to get your abilities up (with no armor to boost dodge rate) was just a stupid mechanic. Only one I didn't play was III and that's because I don't care for handheld.

>> No.1648182

>>1648157
III remake is meh. It is cut down for inferior hardware so there are only 2 enemies on screen at once, rendering the AoE damage class (Black Mage) weak. The new story and characters aren't terribly interesting and the graphics and music aren't terribly appealing.

I played through just because it is the only game other than V where I can play a Final Fantasy game with a Red Mage main hero. Love my red mages. But it is far from a "must play".

>> No.1648219

>>1648140

10 is a better game than any of the ps1 fantasies and the translation is at least decent and remotely accurate, has gradual character development that isn't rapid and poorly paced

>> No.1648225

>>1648219
I'd rather play it than 8 or 9, if I was forced to. But better than 7? Don't make me laugh.

>> No.1648229

I picked it again recently after years.
Stopped playing when I reached the part with Don Corneo.

Always liked FF8 more.

>> No.1648235 [DELETED] 

>>1647205
But VII is shit.

>> No.1648238 [DELETED] 

>>1648235
Epic post /v/eddit

>> No.1648239

>>1648235
why? it has fun characters, great combat and tifa's tits

>> No.1648252

>>1648235
Even if you think VII is shit, it's still exponentially better than XIII.

>> No.1648268 [DELETED] 

Alright, let's get this out of the way.

IX > VII > V > VI > IV > X > III > X-2 > VIII > I > II > XIII-2 > XIII > LR

>> No.1648273 [DELETED] 

>>1648268
V > VI > IX > VII > I > II > III >>>>>> Action 52 > E.T. > IV

Don't really care for the rest. IV is hands down the worst game in the series though.

>> No.1648313

7 > 5 > 8 > 6 > 9 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 2

>> No.1648319

>>1648273
>IV
>the worst

>> No.1648329

>>1648319
Yes. That's what I said.

>> No.1648335

T > II > IV > I > IX > V = VI > IVDS > VII = VIII = VIICC = 4HoL > IIIDS > IIIFC > famine > TA > pestilence > TA2:GoR > Armageddon > all numbered FF from X onwards > Crystal Chronicles.

>> No.1648338
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1648338

> Play FF7 on the PC in 1998
> "Wow, what a great game!"
> Meet anime weebs a few years later
> FF ruined entirely

Is this only my feel?

>> No.1648340

X>V>I>IV>VI>VIII>VII>IX>XII>II

FF1 was good but could be much longer, IX was a giant step down from VIII in terms of length and gameplay mechanic depth, just spam single hit attacks and you can't even choose when to limit break. I liked V's customization and being able to farm AP with bluemagic against the statues. It's semi-linear but not too bad, bonus bosses were challenging. X had the best system, the sphere grid was nice and you had to earn being able to break the damage cap, very hard bonus bosses where you didn't even need to dungeon crawl through countless mobs.

II was just shit because you shouldn't have to hit yourself to make your character stronger.

>> No.1648346

>>1648338
No. FF7's popularity is jarring because it's popular for all the wrong reasons. Not for being a solid FF game but for how darkness dwells within cute anime boys' souls. VII deserves popularity to be sure, but the weebs' misplaced fanboy fawning completely ruined the franchise, even if the game itself can't be blamed too much.

>> No.1648547

>>1648338
Yeah it's shit. Same thing with 90s anime and especially Evangelion, fantastic but influenced the industry in all the wrong ways and now it's devolved into fetishised bullshit. The modern Weebtaku ruins everything.

It's so alienating when you meet another Evangelion fan who just obsesses over the female leads. How can someone be so into something yet completely miss ecery message it's trying to convey.

>>1648340
IX > VII > X > VI > Tactics > IV > V > III > I > II > VIII > XII > XIII

>> No.1648550

>>1647205
Because tits.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgPhxirLGag

>> No.1649079

>>1648338
>>1648547
Yeah, this happened to me too.

Joined my highschool anime club because "Hey, I like video games, and Outlaw Star is pretty rad".

Oh boy, was that an experience. Their perception of FF7 was completely different. It's like we played totally different games.

And when I tried to talk about Evangelion? Fuck that. Everyone was just "I WANT TO FUCK REI/ASUKA/SHINJI", and that's basically it.

Like, they wouldn't even talk about the fucking mech designs or anything.

So when I tried to say that Cloud changed over the course of the game, and eventually settled his internal dispute and was no loger aloof and brooding like he was in the beginning of the game, they basically just told me to get the fuck out.

>> No.1649160

>>1648547

Maybe it's because I played most of these games when they were new, or because I don't like to take contrary positions to give myself an air of superiority, but I really do disagree with the /v/ sentiment of IX being so highly rated.

It took me ages to get anywhere in the game, and I've yet to complete it. It's only so good because it came after VIII which was just a very strange clusterfuck of a game.

>> No.1649183

>>1648229
>Stopped playing when I reached the part with Don Corneo.
to fap amirite?

>> No.1649194

>>1649160
IX being good isn't a /v/ thing. And how is liking it contrarion?

A lot of people love the game. I legitimately think it's the best Final Fantasy.

If I wanted to be a hipster or contrarion, I wouldn't pick the highest rated Final Fantasy in all of Final Fantasy. And I wouldn't pick the Final Fantasy that Sakaguchi said is the closest thing to the ideal Final Fantasy game.

>> No.1649273

>>1648093
It's not even that bad dude.

>> No.1649448

IV=VII>IX>X>V>III>I>VIII>>X-2 and the rest of the game after that>>>VI>II

FFXI gets a honorable mention

>> No.1649751

>>1647504
>>1647529

> I actually like the character models since they're small and simple and remind me of the sprites in the earlier games.

From what I've heard, that was the original intention, to re-imagine FFVI style sprites in 3D.

The battle models were designed show off the new 3D system a little more.

Apparently, the devs decided that switching between over-world models and battle models was too jarring, so they kept the models consistent for VIII.

>> No.1649761

The only thing FFXIII has going for it is the battle system when fighting bosses. FFVII still has an interesting story.

>> No.1649794

>>1648093
There's a fan retranslation out nowadays too. It's pretty neat.

>> No.1649795

>>1649794
It might be neat, but the original is, off course, better,

>> No.1649797

>>1647205
The same reason most people salivate over the game: Because they dont know any better.

>> No.1649798

>>1649795
>off course
Oh, you.

>> No.1649808

>>1649798
When last I made that reference, /vr/ jumped on "my" typo, not realising they've entirely missed the joke.
I like you, Anon. You've got a pretty mouth.

>> No.1649821

>>1648547
Tactics>5>8>10>6>12>1

couldn't get into any other. Also haven't even tried 7, been waiting on a hd remaster since I was a child

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1649949

>>1647440
>I beat FF7 for the first time in a classroom/ movie theater in the 90s.
perhaps you could elaborate on this for a confused tea-drinker... you beat a pretty long jrpg in a classroom/cinema? in the 90s?

wat

>> No.1650017

>>1649797
but its a good well balanced game, granted it could use a few more improvements.

>> No.1650430

>>1650017
Im not disputing that, but RPG's that should have completely overshadowed the FF series were ignored by the wayside.
I dont like how when you mention rpg's, this select attack to win-a-thon is considered the posterchild.
Back then it was understandable, but now, with the internet at ones disposal, with a big library of other stuff to try, there shouldn't be daily threads about this game. It has been discussed not only until the cows come home, but until they've been fed through the meatgrinder and weaved into a vegans pillow.

>> No.1650472

>>1649949
Was wondering the same thing, but was too lazy to ask.

>> No.1650485

>>1647205
FFVII allows you to explore, customize characters, do optional quests, combat is actually pretty varied and fun, The world actually feels complete (towns to visit, people to talk to, shops to visit, ect.) and there's no safety net. If you lose a battle, you're re-loading your last save.

FFXIII consists of running down a long winding hallway, character customization exists but has almost no effect on combat, said combat consists of mashing X to win, your party is automatically healed after every fight, 90% of the gameplay IS the combat system, you have infinite retries and 100% of the game's optional "content" is in only 1 of the 13 chapters. It's a bad game. Period.

Why were you confused about the situation again?

>> No.1650508

>>1650430
its a JRPG though, and some of the bosses are rather difficult