Unpopular Retro Opinions (Don't be a shitlord)

[Anonymous No.1642798]

Unpopular retro opinions: ACTUALLY keep it civil edition
RIP /vr/ 2013-2014

I think Ninja Gaiden is designed for you to memorize the stage and then clear the whole thing in two seconds when you have the spawns down

[Anonymous No.1642809]

Best Zelda is Oracle Zelda

[Anonymous No.1642859]

Fighting games lost their popularity because of combos. When words like "technical" begun to appear on the screen, and people didn't know what it meant or why that happened, that is when fighting games stopped being mainstream.
Street Fighter II, the first II Mortal Kombats, the first 2 Samurai Showdowns, they were not based around combos.

[Anonymous No.1642860]

SNK made better fighting games than any other company.

[Anonymous No.1642915]

Sports games are largely the best genre of retro games.

[Anonymous No.1642924]

SMB is casual pleb babby's first bullshit that gets sacred cow status due strictly to MUH CHILDHOOD.

[Anonymous No.1642961]

>>1642924
Still BTFO huh? Get some ointment on that butthurt already kid.

[Anonymous No.1643318]

>>1642924
noice b8 m8
>>1642961
Read the subject and keep it civil. Bait ain't worth it

[Anonymous No.1643365]

>>1642798
>Wild arms is a bore fest, did not enjoy it
>FFIX is the best FF
>SRPGs are better than regular RPGs

[Anonymous No.1643371]

>shitlord

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1643376]

>>1642915

I do consider /vr/ sports games very underrated. I put in tons of hours in NBA Jam, Genesis NHLgames and early Maddens because, you know, they were fun and entertaining. And of course the games that went further from reality like Nintendo Ice Hockey and Mutant League games were great too.

You've got to be the only person who thinks they were the -best- genre, though.

[Anonymous No.1643380]

FFV is the best game in the series, perfecting turn-based/ATB gameplay with its job system and its story while lighthearted and shonen-like is way better than the rap it gets from Dissidia kiddies

FFIV is one of the worse games in the series and did "cinematic over substance" before it was cool. The story was nice but the game offered very little outside of it, how it likes to take away characters and levels from your party at will just goes to show how your choices do not matter, only the story does

FFII wasn't bad, it's one of those retro games like Wizardry that have downright sadistic and devilishly contrived designs but no one complains about them and instead says "well that's just how hardcore old games were you fucking casual", but FFII is always looked at from modern perspective instead of a 80's perspective. also it was a '88 game with a story

[Anonymous No.1643382]

N64 is a great console.

[Anonymous No.1643416]

It is impossible for me to experience anything but boredom when playing a turn-based RPG. If the story is that good, point me to the novelization, so I can read it without selecting the same items from menus 5 hours a day for a month to see where the plot goes.

I don't mind the character building or exploration or inventory limits or any of the other RPG trappings, but I just cannot enjoy a game in which the most exciting thing you do is to take turns clicking through menus. And fuck grinding, whether it's a real-time RPG or turn-based.

[Anonymous No.1643442]

>>1643416
>And fuck grinding
This.
Grinding should never be necessary. It should only be used when you want to apply brute force over tactics (e.g. your men can take more hits because they're higher levels)

[Anonymous No.1643445]

I love random encounters. I live for the grind.

[Anonymous No.1643447]

>>1642915
The unrealistic ones like Super Dodgeball and NBA Jam, sure. But the rest of 'em are too dull and slow-moving.

[Anonymous No.1643459]

Pokemon is the most shit franchise on this Earth

Even before Call of Duty, Pokemon was re-releasing the same game every year with minimal changes. Sure, there were more Pokemon every gen and some new minigames every gen, but mechanically it's the same thing every time
X and Y finally made some mechanic changes in group battles, but every other change was just simplifying what you could already do in previous gens or pointless stuff

[Anonymous No.1643468]

>>1643459
>minimal changes

[Anonymous No.1643485]

Keep it civil, huh? Good. Because I got lots of controversies to get off my chest.

* I wish Super Metroid gave me hints where to go next. Like in Metroid Fusion, you still have to find all the hidden items, but the game offers more sense of direction. Is Metroid Fusion linear? Yes. Does it lack exploration? No. I wish Super Metroid used this formula, or at least made it optional.

* I find the grinding in Dragon Warrior to be ridiculous. It takes hours to do anything. I don't find the game fun at all because of the extreme grinding.

* I don't think Donkey Kong Country 3 is the best in the series. Even though it has the cool map and colorful bosses, I still like the original Donkey Kong Country much better.

* I think Banjo-Tooie SUCKED.

* A Link to the Past doesn't look or sound all that great. The graphics and music are mediocre, and the map feels cluttered. Very good game, sure. But to me, it's not the epic classic people make it out to be.

* The Super Nintendo didn't sound as good as the original Nintendo. The music and sound effects are "dull" compared to the "exciting" sounds of the NES.

* Rocket Knight Adventures is the second best Genesis game. As awesome as the game is, Twinkle Tale is better.

* Ogre Battle is soooo boring.

* The original Sonic game is awful. Sonic 2 & 3 are very good. Sonic & Knuckles is mediocre. Sonic Generations is the ONLY Sonic game I would pay money to play. Yet, no-one realizes how awesome the game is because of Sonic's 3D reputation.

* 10-Yard Fight for the NES is one of the greatest sports games of all-time.

* Goldeneye 007 was the best game of 1997. Even over Castlevania and Final Fantasy.

* Tekken 3 didn't have the same "impact" that Tekken 2 had.

* Raticate is the best Pokemon.

* Turtles in Time isn't a great game. The Manhattan Project was far better.

* F-Zero is BORING. Super Mario Kart isn't much better. Rock N' Roll Racing FTW!

[Anonymous No.1643491]

>>1643485
>I don't think Donkey Kong Country 3 is the best in the series. Even though it has the cool map and colorful bosses, I still like the original Donkey Kong Country much better.

That's not unpopular at all.

[Anonymous No.1643495]

>>1642798
The Adventure of Link is best Zelda
All official Mega Man games are at least decent even X7

[Anonymous No.1643496]

>>1643318
>bait
look up the meaning of unpopular

[Anonymous No.1643498]

>>1643491
That must be why DKC3 wins most of the polls on /vr/ and /v/

[Anonymous No.1643506]

>>1643485
>* F-Zero is BORING.

I do agree with this, and I believe people only like F-Zero because of Captain Falcon in SSB games.

[Anonymous No.1643516]

Not sure if unpopular but...

Mario Kart is shit, F-Zero is much better in every way. And the funny thing is F-Zero doesn't have an extra chip like Mario Kart.

[Anonymous No.1643526]

>>1643498
>That must be why DKC3 wins most of the polls on /vr/ and /v/
DKC3 wins polls because it is a great game. I'm with anon, though. I think DKC1 blows it away.

[Anonymous No.1643528]

>>1643506
>I believe people only like F-Zero because of Captain Falcon in SSB games.

No, we liked it because it's got dope music, good grafix, and a decent feeling of speed on a console that didn't necessarily do that sense of speed very well

granted, there's not a lot to the game, there's only like one mode, but back then it was all you would expect, and it was great

[Anonymous No.1643534]

>>1643528
Funnily, i didn't like F-Zero as a kid, but i love it now.

[Anonymous No.1643538]

Mega Man 2 is a horrible game and the worst classic Mega Man game. Everyone loves it just because of nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.1643545]

-N64 is overrated as fuck. Only Goldeneye and Mario brought something new to the table.

-FF6 and Xenogears has very shitty pacing.

-Overrall SNES FF games are much worse than their successors.

-RE3 has the best atmosphere.

-Megaman games are meh.

[Anonymous No.1643547]

Selphie and Fujin is the sexiest FF girls ever, forget about lame Aeris and Tifa.

[Anonymous No.1643554]

>>1643380
>FFII wasn't bad,
I loved that game. It's a lot better than the first one.
The story was pretty good too(for a 80s rpg)

[Anonymous No.1643556]

I never liked Tetris.

[Anonymous No.1643572]

>>1643556
I hear this a lot IRL. I can kind of get it, because Tetris is the only puzzle game I like, and I may only like Tetris because I've played it most of my life, and it's not hard to find other people who know how to play and get some competitive matches going. I really like the feeling of having to think more quickly and cleverly than my opponent and beat them in a game of problem-solving.

[Anonymous No.1643573]

>>1643526
>implying DKC2 isn't better than both of 'em in almost every way possible

[Anonymous No.1643580]

Mega Man 3 was clearly rushed and unfinished. It's not really a bad game, but it's not as good as 4,2 or 6.

[Anonymous No.1643584]

Slowdown is a shitty unintended consequence, not something put there to make a game harder.

[Anonymous No.1643585]

Final Fantasy 6 is leagues better than 7

I think Battletoads and Double Dragon is better than the original Battletoads because it's an actual beat 'em up consistently throughout the course of the game.

The Sega Genesis had better action games than the SNES

I think R-Type is better than Gradius, as the force system and charge shot mechanics in R-type as a series is infinitely more interesting than Gradius' power up progression

I find the Ghosts n Goblins/Demon's Crest series more interesting than Megaman

Super Mario Land 2 is extremely easy to the point of un-fun, and I can't believe I'm saying this as it used to be one of my favorite Mario games, but after playing through it last year I was driven half crazy from how simple everything was. Yeah I know they were compensating for the visual limitations of the gameboy but holy shit. The Starmaze theme is still amazing and worth playing through SML2 just for that alone.

The first Mr X stage theme in MM6 is better than Wily Stage 1 theme in MM2

Quintet is responsible for some of the best RPG/action-RPG games of their generation.

[Anonymous No.1643586]

>>1643573
Well I certainly didn't mean to imply that. DKC2 is a good game, too, I just happen to like DKC1 better. I love its clever level design.

[Anonymous No.1643591]

>>1643580
This is fact

[Anonymous No.1643595]

>>1643580
>Mega Man 3 not as good as Mega Man 2
I'm not so sure that's an unpopular opinion. It is usually MM2 that gets all the critical acclaim.

[Anonymous No.1643596]

>>1643585
>implying any of those are unpopular

[Anonymous No.1643601]

>>1643596

They're not? I was hoping to start some genuinely good discussions from my opinions.

Damn it all

[Anonymous No.1643605]

>>1643496
there's a difference between being inflammatory and baiting

[Anonymous No.1643608]

Zelda II has always been my favorite Zelda game.

Crystalis is the best Zelda game for the NES.

Just the fact it had the balls to try to do something new and different makes Final Fantasy VIII is easily the best one out of the main FF games on PSX. FFVII was barely anything more than a 3D version of FFVI and FFIX was nothing but a tired rehash of the SNES games. At least this is how I felt as someone who already had been playing JRPGs for a fucking decade when it came out.

I like many games that due to AVGN's reviews are now universally considered shit. Some of these include Castlevania II, Fester's Quest, Friday the 13th, Rambo and the first TMNT game.

Speaking of the first TMNT game I'm convinced that most people that whine about the dam(n) water level being hard are just parroting AVGN and haven't actually played the game. The real bullshit and punches to dick start with trying to find the Technodrome in area 5.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: The Manhattan Project is a better game than TMNT II: The Arcade Game and possibly even better than Turtles in Time.

[Anonymous No.1643609]

>>1643605
*being inflammatory and having an unpopular opinion

shit whoops

[Anonymous No.1643613]

>>1643538
Being civil here. Mega Man 4 was the Mega Man game of my childhood. But now that I'm older, I think Mega Man 2 is the best. So for me, I love Mega Man 2 and it has nothing to do with nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.1643617]

>>1643485
/thread/
I think I disagree with everything this anon had to say. Banjo-Tooie sucked?

[Anonymous No.1643627]

>>1643613
Complete opposite here, grew up with MM2, but now looking at the entire series I think MM4 is the best.

[Anonymous No.1643628]

I love classic turn-based grindy JRPGs and can't really bring myself to play the supposedly "fun" ARPGs like Terranigma or JRPGs that do it "differently" (not too hot for Lufia or Tales of series for example)

[Anonymous No.1643631]

60fps is the bare minimum acceptable framerate.
Strict timelimits make games better.
Emulating (correctly configured Retroarch + CRT) > real hardware.
Actraiser 2 > Actraiser 1.
Rocket Knight Adventures is overrated.
Streets of Rage 3 soundtrack > Streets of Rage 2 soundtrack.
Good console FPSs do not exist.
SNES library is hugely overrated.
N64 library is almost completely worthless.
There are no good JRPGs.
DKC games look ugly even on a CRT.
Sonic 2 is the best Sonic.
Megaman series is boring (without self-imposed challenges, which doesn't count).
Allegedly "intentional" slowdown in arcade STGs sucks.
Story isn't important in games.
Games are not art.

[Anonymous No.1643634]

>>1643613
This. Except I grew up with Mega Man 5. Now I think Mega Man 2 is the definitive action game for the NES. The music, bosses, gameplay... it's all so perfect and has nothing to do with nostalgia because I never played it as a child.

[Anonymous No.1643637]

- Monkey Island should have kept semi-realistic art style instead of going cartoony;
- Castlevania wasn't good until third NES game;
- N64's library is overrated;
- randomly generated terrain is the worst aspect of Daggerfall;
- Heretic > Doom.

[Anonymous No.1643639]

>>1643631
>DKC games look ugly even on a CRT
Wow. I thought the DKC games looked pretty damn good. Just curious, what did you think of Super Mario RPG's graphics? Did ANY graphics on the SNES impress you?

>Games are not art.
Then what are they are?

[Anonymous No.1643640]

>>1643631
>games are not art
Yeah, well here's mine
>basically fucking everything is art and it isn't 'classy' or 'sophisticated' at all on its own, its entirely based on the product
"Art" is the number 1 most hyped thing in the world.

[Anonymous No.1643647]

>>1643605
>>1643609
but it wasn't een insulting, that's his opinion
if he had said something like "all elderly people are cunts" then you could argue that it was inflammatory as opposed to his opinion but even then you could argue the converse, namely that it was still an opinion just an unfounded one

[Anonymous No.1643650]

>>1643608
>TMNT
I never really had much trouble with the dam level as a kid. Sure it was hard and I died a bunch of times, but I also beat it probably an equal amount. My stoppage was probably some random level soon after that though due to just barely making it out alive through those other levels before.

A few years ago I said fuck it and beat it with an invincibility cheat and I felt nothing but shame.

[Anonymous No.1643653]

>>1643608
>>1643650
Speaking of parroting AVGN, I'm convinced people who say THAT haven't even seen the episode, since he spends far longer complaining about a couple of jumps and beats the water level, but complains often about looking for the technodrome and mentions how its basically impossible without saving subweapons.
Everybody wants a scapegoat, I guess.
I definitely don't agree about Turtles in Time not being the best though, if only because of that GOAT soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.1643656]

>The Playstation was a heartless console
>Sonic 3D is the shit
>The Master System was underrated
>Ghouls n Ghosts on the MD wasn't hard at all, you filthy casuals.

[Anonymous No.1643669]

>>1643639
>Did ANY graphics on the SNES impress you?
Seiken Densetsu 3
Star Ocean
Actraiser 2

>>Games are not art.
>Then what are they are?
Entertainment

[Anonymous No.1643670]

>>1643608
>Speaking of the first TMNT game I'm convinced that most people that whine about the dam(n) water level being hard are just parroting AVGN and haven't actually played the game.

Nah. It was notorious back in the day. I remember watching that part in the Wizard when the kid just floats through that section and being like "WHAAAT"

You have to understand, most kids who had an NES had TMNT. Just like how most kids also had Super Mario Bros., Duck Hunt, Castlevania, and Friday the 13th. Those were the most popular games. So when most kids have TMNT and reach that part of the game and die, it becomes legendary. Sure, nowadays we know there are harder games and harder parts of games out there, but at the time we had no idea.

[Anonymous No.1643672]

Sonic R is a great game.

[Anonymous No.1643673]

>>1642798
>My unpopular opinions matter and are worthy of discussion
>shitlord
Welp, there goes /vr/ into the garbage bin.

[Anonymous No.1643681]

The N64 controller was aesthetic perfection, by far the best controller of recent times.

[Anonymous No.1643684]

>>1643672
Sonic R has a great soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.1643685]

Duke Nukem is rather boring
Blood is the best Build Engine game

[Anonymous No.1643689]

>>1643670
>You have to understand, most kids who had an NES had TMNT.
The fact me and almost everyone else had TMNT back then is the reason I _DON'T_ believe what you said. Sure it took me and everyone else few tries to get past the water level but you know what? I and everyone else I knew DID get past it and this includes many people that weren't that good with video games.

[Anonymous No.1643690]

There are no good 1st party console controllers. D-pads are inferior to keyboard or arcade stick. Pressing multiple buttons with the same thumb is also inferior.

[:) No.1643693]

>>1643685
>Duke Nukem is rather boring

I agree. Duke Nukem II and 3D though, masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.1643697]

There are no /vr/ on-topic PC platform games with the quality of even SMB1 (minimum "good platformer" standard).

[Anonymous No.1643703]

The first Metroid game is an overrated piece of garbage, with one of the worst fanbases on all of /v/ or /vr/.

[Anonymous No.1643719]

>>1643697
how is this unpopular? its an obvious fact

it's like saying that consoles at the time didn't have RTS with the quality of -craft or Dune games (ports notwithstanding), because duh

PC didn't really have anything on consoles at the time except RTS, FPS and point and clicks, and even these can be debatable

[Anonymous No.1643721]

>>1643637
>Heretic > Doom.

and that's a fact

[Anonymous No.1643746]

>>1643631
>Sonic 2 is the best Sonic.

Rather common opinion, I share it. And that's surprising since most the rest of your opinions are rather absolutist (and probably inflamatory exaggeration) and I definetly don't share them.

[Anonymous No.1643756]

>>1643485

A Link to the Past is absolutly shitty in the presentation department. The game is decent, but it looks horrible, and only has like three good songs in my opinion (both overworlds and lost woods). The sound quality isn't even that great, it sounds strangely muted. The color scheme is kind of ugly and everything is sort of fat looking.

[Anonymous No.1643759]

Using a guide for older games is completely acceptable, because most of them were intentionally cryptic to sell guides and magazines.

[Anonymous No.1643760]

>>1642798
>I think Ninja Gaiden is designed for you to memorize the stage and then clear the whole thing in two seconds when you have the spawns down
How can this be an "unpopular opinion"? It's botht he truth and the most common understanding of how the game works.

[Anonymous No.1643787]

The graphics of The Legend of Zelda for NES are very ugly, Metroid and Kid Icarus from the same year (1986) looked much better. Still a great game.

[Anonymous No.1643810]

>>1643719
PCs of the now don't have RTS with the quality of those games.
RTS is dead, and with them my heart.

[Anonymous No.1643814]

>>1643595
Things seem to be changing. I always see people praising 3 while bashing 2.

[Anonymous No.1643824]

Donkey Kong Country 3 is actually really good. I don't actually know /vr/'s or /v/'s stance on the game but I know a lot of people don't seem to like it.

[Anonymous No.1643827]

>>1643810
the disappearance of base building and RTS becoming "tactical" with control points and squads and shit and whatever is easily one of the largest disasters of gaming

[Anonymous No.1643830]

The atari 5200 was okay

[Anonymous No.1643839]

I am the guy who was playing NES Zelda for the first time, I am stuck in the monster that says Grumble Grumble, Dungeon 7.

[Anonymous No.1643850]

>>1643830
I had one and while I knew it wasn't as good as this Nintendo thing everyone was getting (I got one too) I did enjoy playing the game Pengo.

Wish I could find a emulator that works for me.

[Anonymous No.1643851]

>>1643839
Give him some meet dude.

[Anonymous No.1643852]

>>1642798
Megaman legends is the best megaman game

[Anonymous No.1643860]

>>1643850
>tfw no one will ever make an emulator because not too many people had them

[Anonymous No.1643861]

>>1643852

[Anonymous No.1643870]

>>1643459
>mechanically it's the same thing every time
HAHAHAHAHAHHA oh wow

[Anonymous No.1643880]

Megaman X is vastly superior to the originals.
Megaman Zero is the best Megaman series.

[Anonymous No.1643883]

>4chan
>civil on any board
top kek. Quit with the delusions you stupid neckbeard. Every faggot on 4chan is cut from the same cloth and you're no exception. Hell if /vr/ was never made your pathetic ass would still be on /v/. You're exactly the same faggot that you've always been.

[Anonymous No.1643884]

I honestly think Deadly Games was better than Jagged Alliance. The game is infinitely replayable and I've always thought of it as like a graphical, tactical roguelike.

[Anonymous No.1643885]

>>1643880
>Megaman Zero
>/vr/
I agree, but it ain't retro.

[Anonymous No.1643889]

>>1643468
>>1643870
>minor buffs/nerfs/stat changes and some new moves once in a blue moon between generations are noticeable mechanics changes that anyone but dedicated tourneyfags cares about

[Anonymous No.1643890]

ITT: People circlejerking about their terrible opinions

[Anonymous No.1643893]

>>1643889
>I only played the first two generations: the post
also if you're not doing competitive, you're playing pokemon wrong. The main goal of the franchise is to make you interact with other players.

[Anonymous No.1643897]

>>1643380
FFII is just a Kawazu game. It's his first RPG so even disregarding the fact it's so Kawazu-like, it's still really rough around the edges. Even for old-school RPG aficionados it can be tough to swallow. Not as tough as Wizardry IV (fuck the Grandmaster Ending), but still.

[Anonymous No.1643898]

Pokemon requiring that you own both Red and Blue to actually collect them all was basically the era's equivalent of on disk DLC.

[Anonymous No.1643901]

>>1643890
What do you expect from a Reddit refuge thread?

[Anonymous No.1643905]

>>1643898
>Pokemon requiring that you own Red and one of your friend s to own Blue to actually collect them all
FTFY

[Anonymous No.1643906]

>>1643893
Whatever, those are not still major mechanics changes. You're still battling in the exact same turn-based way as you did in Gen 1 except with rejiggered moves and stats, no matter how rejiggered. That's what the anon meant. The game flow is almost exactly the same but with more choices. I don't even agree that it's a bad thing, it has to be that way, but nevertheless it's true. Now if Pokemon had QTEs or ATB battles or something that would be major mechanic changes, for better or for worse.

[Anonymous No.1643908]

>>1643905
Fuck multi-player.

[Anonymous No.1643910]

>>1643908
>complains about pokemon
>fuck multi-player
well if you had no friends in kindergarten it's your problem.

[Anonymous No.1643912]

>>1643893
Anything beyond the first two generations isn't retro.

[Anonymous No.1643914]

>>1643893
>The main goal of the franchise is to make you interact with other players.

No, then main goal is to sell carts. That's it. All this hoohah about "encouraging interaction?" That's fucking window dressing for designing the games to sell more.

[Anonymous No.1643915]

>>1643584
I remember playing Double Dragon II in the arcades. The slowdown was severe. 2 player mode felt borderline unplayable.
Years later I played overclocked version with my bro on an emulator without the ridiculous slowdown.
It was one of the best gosh darn gaming experiences in my life.

[Anonymous No.1643954]

>>1642798

Chrono trigger isn't really that good as an RPG. It's mostly famous because it's a console RPG. If it had been released at the same time for PC, it would have been "decent, but meh", and quickly forgotten.


Master of Orion 2 is ridiculously unbalanced, and not really all that great. It holds far too much influence in how 4X games developed.

[Anonymous No.1643992]

>>1643824
Lots of people like Donkey Kong 3. Between DKC3 and Harvest Moon 64, my sister had no life.

[Anonymous No.1643996]

>>1643954
But muh deathstar missile spam!

[Anonymous No.1644004]

>>1642859
Street Fighter II invented the combo by accident when people found ways to chain moves together and the developers kept them in the game. It popularised the damn thing.

[Anonymous No.1644021]

>>1643608
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: The Manhattan Project is a better game than TMNT II: The Arcade Game

This isn't that unpopular an opinion because it's completely true, it refined everything that made II so good and balanced everything nicely

>and possibly even better than Turtles in Time.

This is quite an unpopular opinion which I disagree with but I completely respect it, especially because III is a fantastic game in its own right

[Anonymous No.1644032]

>>1643880
>Megaman X is vastly superior to the originals.

but this is true + a pretty widely held opinion, I personally love 3 and 4 but X and X2 blow them out of the water

[Anonymous No.1644035]

Contra 3 is a better game than Hard Corps.

Although Hard Corps is the flashier title, I think it's much shallower.

[Anonymous No.1644047]

Mega Man IV on the Game Boy is the best vanilla MM game ever

Duck Tales is better on the Game Boy than the NES

Ax Battler on the Game Gear is better than Zelda II

Final Fantasy IV kinda sucks

Streets of Rage 1 > Streets of Rage 2 (though Remake > both)

[Anonymous No.1644048]

>>1644032
Glad you didn't mention X3.

[Anonymous No.1644139]

Megaman 5 is the my favorite classic Megaman but I think Megaman 2 is near-perfect

[Anonymous No.1644158]

>>1644048
Not who you're replying to, but X3 is my favourite X game. Well, the SNES version.
Seems a lot of people don't care too much for it. Out of the 3 on the SNES i'd say X2 is my least favourite.

[Anonymous No.1644261]

>Metal Gear Solid 1 is incredibly overrated as it stole 70% of its content from Metal Gear 2

>SMB2 is the best NES Mario game

>Megaman only began to get good at MM4. All the games had great music though

>Zelda 2 was more revolutionary than the first one

>Final Fantasy II, V and VIII are the best FF games

>Mortal Kombat is a shit series

>the Gameboy Pocket is the best handheld system of all time

>Chrono Trigger is overrated

[Anonymous No.1644296]

>>1644261
I'll agree with most of those (I think FFIX should be on that list too), but why do you think Chrono Trigger is overrated?

[Anonymous No.1644302]

Retro Sonic is worse than modern Sonic

[Anonymous No.1644398]

fatal fury is complete shit once you play KOF

[Anonymous No.1644439]

>>1643893
interaction with other players is done with trading and battling with your friends, not just with competitive, not everyone likes competitive, especially nowadays when it became something completely opposite to the original spirit of the game. Also you are basically saying that now that there's no more wi fi support except for X/Y the other games in the franchise should not be played anymore.

[Anonymous No.1644449]

>>1644047

I disagree on the remake thing, Remake adds the irritating shit from SoR1 and mixes it with the good from SoR2 and 3, mainly those super annoying enemies that kneel down and go invincible after striking them once. Fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.1644450]

>>1644398
I don't that that is unpopular.

Real Bout Special is a lot better than many KoF though.

[Anonymous No.1644453]

>>1644296
Mostly because, while it is a great game, everyone hypes it up to be the culmination of everything an RPG is supposed to be. The game still has flaws.

[Anonymous No.1644478]

>>1644453
Ah, yeah, definitely. I love it and it's definitely up there for me, but it does have some flaws. The original interface was miserable.

[Anonymous No.1644485]

>>1643685
>Blood is the best Build Engine game
I agree, but Duke is good.

[Anonymous No.1644491]

>>1643814

No. That's just asshole hipsters trying to be contrary.

[Anonymous No.1644492]

>>1643954
>f it had been released at the same time for PC, it would have been "decent, but meh", and quickly forgotten.


Actually, if Chrono Trigger was released at the time as a western PC game, it'd be worshipped as the 'computer RPG that was like anime, and not like all those other ugly D&D-style PC rpgs'.

Not saying that's a good thing or anything, but given the tastes of the time in western PC RPGs it would have stood out big time and probably would have been loved because of it.

[Anonymous No.1644528]

>>1644492

Because Ultima, the BIG name in CRPGs, especially by the mid 90s, was a DnD clone? Because Exile, Walls of Bratock, and Diablo (admittedly more of a roguelike in my own opinion, but everyone was calling it an RPG) were DnD?

I mean, Crono Trigger came out like 3 years before Baldur's Gate, which is when the DnD RPGs really went mainstream. Before that, the only ones I can remember being on the market were those guys in the SSI pack, and of them, only Menzo and the two Ravenloft ones really stuck to the DnD mechanics.

[Anonymous No.1644545]

>>1644528
I meant looks. D&D looks, not mechanics or even strictly setting.

All WRPGS then looked like something out of a D&D book.

Chrono Trigger had anime looks and that would have been something to behold on PC at the time.

Discussing this has made me imagine Chrono Trigger with WRPG looks of the time. Oh man, now -that- would be a forgettable game.

[Anonymous No.1644642]

the original smash bros for 64 is more fun than any other installment they have come out with afterward. yes even melee.

[Anonymous No.1644657]

System Shock 1 is better than System Shock 2

[Anonymous No.1644708]

>>1643585
I don't think SML2 is easy because of the visual limitations. I think it's because of the poor choice of choosing your order of completion, which eliminates the ability of putting in a difficulty curve.

[Anonymous No.1644712]

>>1642915
In your defense,unrealistic stuff[Mutant League football,Megaman Soccer,Super Mario Strikers and that Sega Saturn baseball game where you could do wacky stuff] tend to be really good

[Anonymous No.1644714]

Doom is boring.

[Anonymous No.1644716]

>>1644714
can we get a gif of this please

[Anonymous No.1644718]

>>1643669
So is theater, movies, and television, but they are considered art in some aspects. As well as music too, which can be incorporated into all of the above and video games. If games are not art, but are entertainment, then art should strictly be thought of as pictures then.

[Anonymous No.1644721]

>>1644716

[Anonymous No.1644723]

>>1644716

[Anonymous No.1644730]

I think top-down, grid-based movement is the best and most perfect perspective to present RPGs in.

I'm furious that almost none outside of indie games and Pokemon use it anymore.

[Anonymous No.1644760]

Zelda is not that great. Most overrated game ever.

[Anonymous No.1644767]

>>1644760

Nonsense. Not that it isn't overrated, but there are WAY more overrated games out there.


Like Baldur's Gate.

[Anonymous No.1644785]

Mega Man X6 is one of the better Mega Man X games.

Especially better than X5.

[Anonymous No.1644816]

>>1643495
zelda 2 is a really popular game on this board. my fave as well.

[Anonymous No.1644820]

>>1643538
mega man 6 was my least fave, but i agree 2 is not the best.

[Anonymous No.1644830]

Here is mine:

* Golden ax series is lousy series with three being slightly decent.To me the enemies felt like damage spounges that could combo kill you if you allowed them to attack.

*Alex kid in enchanted land is boring. Admittedly I only played 2 levels and played the rock paper scissors mini-game repeatedly thinking that they were important.

Kid chameleon was also boring. Played 4 worlds before be tired of playing it. Interesting idea , but failed to capture my interest.

*ESWAT has cheap enemies and bosses that only gets more balanced when you get the suit. Only played till 4th level.

*Comic zone shares sames flaws with ESWAT, got to 3 level.

[Anonymous No.1644831]

>>1643852
Agreed, then again, I grew up with the MML series and played the shit out of Legends 1

I never really got into the other Megaman game series until after I started high school and met other fellow gamers.

[Anonymous No.1644837]

>>1643485
>Tekken 3 didn't have the same "impact" that Tekken 2 had.

Jin being the mascot in every game since 3 says otherwise.

[Anonymous No.1644841]

This controller is actually good if you get used to it.

[Anonymous No.1644854]

>>1644830
>Golden ax series is lousy series with three being slightly decent.To me the enemies felt like damage spounges that could combo kill you if you allowed them to attack.


My issue with Golden Axe is that the hits don't feel like they have any impact which is something that I feel is incredibly important to a beat em up. Like it just feels like I am swinging through paper or water instead of physically smacking a human or some beast with a medieval weapon.

[Anonymous No.1644858]

>>1644841
I shouldn't have to get used to a controller if it's good unless it's something for a simulation like the one for Steel Battalion.

[Anonymous No.1644969]

>>1643376
>>1643447
>>1644712
Some might disagree, but I throw racing games under the "sports" umbrella, so that helps push it to the top for me.

[Anonymous No.1644978]

>>1642798
>Posts "don't be a shitlord"
>Expects discussion to be civil

[Anonymous No.1644992]

>>1644785
Funny you mention X6, i've been playing through it again. I do like it much more than X5 and X4.
It's much more challenging.
Gates Laboratory stages are the most challenging levels in the entire X series. Not to mention the fight with Gate himself...ugh.

As for unpopular opinion...
>I like Mega Man X7
Once you play through it once, it's much better the next times around, when you know what you're doing. The new game+ allows you to carry over ability chips too, so you'll have an easier time.
>Phantasy Star 3 is a good game
Lots of people shit on PS3, but I think it's very unique. Sure, it has the most retarded looking enemies you'll ever see, but it's still a pretty good RPG.
>Sword of Vermillion is very underrated
A fun RPG. Not much more to say.
>Mega Man 2 is highly over-rated
I don't understand the praise of this game. It's good, but not THAT good.

[Anonymous No.1645017]

When Goldeneye 007 was released in 1997 on N64 it was better than any FPS released on PC at that point.

[Anonymous No.1645024]

>>1643824

People prefer DKC2's OST but I think I prefer DKC3's.

All the DKC OST's are great though.

[Anonymous No.1645047]

>>1644657
i really wish more people would realize that

[Anonymous No.1645054]

Sonic is overall a pretty mediocre platformer series.

I had more fun with Metroid Fusion than with Super Metroid, primarily because the controls were much more precise.

PSX and N64 3D platformers are boring. Only exception: Crash Bandicoot.

The Resident Evil series endet for me with part 2.

Final Fantasy VII is the best FF.

The SNES was Nintendo's last good home console.

[Anonymous No.1645067]

Dungeon Keeper 1 is one of the top 5 games ever made, it is amazing

[Anonymous No.1645074]

This is nothing wrong with Donkey Kong 64 and it's better than a lot of parts of the Country games

[Anonymous No.1645098]

>>1645054
>Final Fantasy VII is the best FF
>unpopular
haha wow

[Anonymous No.1645103]

>>1645098

On /vr/? Yeah, pretty unpopular opinion.

[Anonymous No.1645114]

>>1643365
>>FFIX is the best FF
This is unpopular?

[Anonymous No.1645124]

FF games were feminized, no-challenge movies for single-mom-household babbys.

And all my friends that were FF fanboys as teens now turned gay and openly want to be women.

[Anonymous No.1645137]

Save for a couple exceptions, RPG is a shit genre.

[Anonymous No.1645140]

>>1645124
Being civil doesn't mean you're allowed to be transphobic

[Anonymous No.1645152]

>thinly veiled Reddit ciclejerk thread
so this is what /vr/ has become to.

yet /v/ has better discussion when talking about the GBA.

has /vr/ gone really shit?

[Anonymous No.1645190]

>>1645124
Trying waaaaaay too hard there buddy.

[Anonymous No.1645203]

>>1643631
>There are no good JRPGs.
I love opinions like this.

[Anonymous No.1645207]

Chrono Trigger and Yoshi's Island are actually pretty average

Tomba 2 was good (seen many people despise it and praise the first one)

OoT has aged quite terribly

Street Fighter Alpha series weren't so bad

[Anonymous No.1645213]

>>1643631

>Sonic 2 is the best Sonic
>Story isn't important in games
>N64 library is almost completely worthless

Agreed. And the "art" thing is really annoying, I don't give a fuck if someone consider the Monalisa, Super Mario or Donkey Kong some kind of art, I only want to put the cartridge in my console and jump in the head of the foes.

[Anonymous No.1645221]

>>1645152

Nah we not shit yet. Just getting there.

Really wish everyone from that other place would leave... i see this shit across almost all boards.

[Anonymous No.1645231]

Best Zelda game is the very first one.

I'm not fond of Link to the Past because it introduced the emphasis on more elaborate puzzles. I think they slow the game down and that it was much more fun when it was about exploration and difficult combat.

[Anonymous No.1645236]

>>1643640
The number one most hyped thing in the world is Japanese cuisine followed very, VERY closely by French culture (especially cuisine).
Art is a distant third.

[Anonymous No.1645260]

>>1645231
>Best Zelda game is the very first one.
I agree.
>I'm not fond of Link to the Past because it introduced the emphasis on more elaborate puzzles.
I disagree. While I am also not too keen on aLttP, I don't find the puzzles more elaborate considering they fucking tell you where to go/what to do in game. I dislike the loss of open exploration. In Z1, I could go all the way from the starting point to level 9 in Spectacle Rock on Death Mountain if I want. I can't get in, but I can at least venture all the way over there. In aLttP, you can't access area X until you get item Y but to get item Y, you have to go to area Z which you can't explore in its entirety without getting item Q from area C which isn't available until you beat bosses 2, 3 and 4 and the 'plot' moves onto the next point.
Fuck that.

It's exactly why I absolutely detest the all the GB/GBC/GBA Zelda games. I very very hate. So very very hate.

[Anonymous No.1645719]

>>1644642

This. My friends and I still play the fuck out of 64. Our matches feel like fucking ballet. Ness plays so wonderfully. Melee and Brawl are way too twitchy, the gravity is all weird, and none of the hits feel like they have impact.

Still, I wish Smash 64 had more levels, or a modding community to make them.

[Anonymous No.1645731]

Sonic CD is a slow piece of shite.

[Anonymous No.1645740]

Nintendo 64 was better than PS1 and Saturn

[Anonymous No.1645748]

>>1645740
The N64 sold much more consoles than the Saturn.
Still got curbstomped by the PSX, but at least won over Sega's console.

[Anonymous No.1645749]

shmups are monotomous and uninspired

[Anonymous No.1645753]

>>1645748
> Sega Genesis/Mega Drive: aprox. 40 million units sold
> Master System: approx. 13 million units sold
> Game Gear: approx. 11 million units sold
> Sega Saturn: approx. 9.5 million units sold
> Sega Dreamcast: approx 10.6 million units sold

> Super Nes/Super Famicom: approx. 49.10 million units sold
> NES/Famicom: approx. 61.91 million units sold
> Game Boy: approx. 118.69 million units sold.
> Nintendo 64: approx 32.93 million units sold
> Game Cube:approx 21.74 million units sold
> Game Boy Advanced: approx. 81.51 million units sold
> DS: approx. 153.98 million units sold

> NEC PC-Engine: approx 10 million units sold
> NEC Turboexpress: approx 1.5 million units sold.

> Sony Playstation: approx. 102.49 million units sold.
> Sony PSP: approx. 80 million units sold
> PSP Vita: approx. 4 million units sold

[Anonymous No.1645754]

>>1644302

[Anonymous No.1645758]

>>1645140
>transphobic

Please leave.

[Anonymous No.1645782]

>>1645753
> Sega Saturn: approx. 9.5 million units sold
> PSP Vita: approx. 4 million units sold

[Anonymous No.1645790]

>>1645782
The Vita hasn't been around for too long and hasn't been as popular as the original PSP.

[Anonymous No.1645804]

>>1645753
> Total sales of ALL of Sega's consoles combined: 84.1 million
> Sega CD sales: 6 million
> 32 X sales: 665,000 units.
> Final Sega count: 90,7 million sales

> Game Boy sales: 118.69

> MFW the Game Boy alone sold more units than Sega did during all of it's life in the console gaming scene.

[Anonymous No.1645813]

>>1645804
> 32 X sales: 665,000 units
> Nintendo Virtual Boy sales: 770,000 units.

> MFW even Nintendo's worst failure ever sold more units than one of Sega's star products.

[Anonymous No.1645820]

>>1643631
>Streets of Rage 3 soundtrack
>Sonic 2 is the best Sonic
>Games are not art
These I agree with.

[Anonymous No.1645867]

>>1645813
> star product
But the 32X was a well known flop.

[Anonymous No.1645872]

>>1645813
Sega sabotaged the 32X launch by HEY KIDS SAAAAAYGAAAAAA SATTERRRRRRN!

Nintendo only crippled the development of the Virtual Boy and rushed it out.

[Anonymous No.1645875]

>>1645872
Wasn't the 32X intended to be a poor man's Saturn?

[Anonymous No.1645890]

>>1645867
>>1645875
Sega marketeed the 32X under the excuse it could turn your old Genesis into a perfect Saturn substitute. Of course, this was fucking impossible to do.

The Virtual Boy was a fucking prototype sold as the real deal.

It still sold more than the 32X, which makes it hurt even more.

[Anonymous No.1645901]

>>1643485
Definitely agree with the SNES sounds. Super Metroid is a great example of how muddy the sounds can get

>>1643672
>>1643684
This is always the game in my Saturn

[Anonymous No.1645906]

Sonic CD is the best classic Sonic game. Great music, no allies, and interesting boss fights.

[Anonymous No.1645908]

>>1645906
I thought that was common knowledge at this point.

[Anonymous No.1645915]

>>1645124
>all my friends now turned gay and openly want to be women
>blames it on a video game

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Anonymous No.1645916]

games are art because we make them with no intention of using them to aid our survival or reproduction.
But whether any given game is a 'valuable' work of art is entirely up to you (I think most are not terribly valuable)

[Anonymous No.1646135]

>>1645813
that just shows how stupid nintendo fans are, segabros are less likely to fall for stupid shit like the 32x.

[Anonymous No.1646225]

•Rock n Roll Racing SUCKS.
•Contra: Hard Corps is better than Contra: Alien Wars
•Krusty's Fun House actually is a really fun puzzle platformer
•Altered Beast is painfully overrated, and Greendog is painfully underrated
•The SNES has just as many shitty-sounding games as the Genesis
•Super Smash Bros on the N64 was fun once, but when compared to its sequels is slow, boring, and plain as fuck. I don't get why people still gush over it.
•Mega Man didn't get good until Mega Man X.
•Duke Nukem 3D really wasn't that special once you get past the humor and tits.
•Desert Strike had shitty controls, which totally killed the game.
•Marathon Infinity was the best FPS of the time.
•Pokémon was fun at first, but now is just a sink for Nintendo to dump a ton of money into while neglecting other franchises that they never do anything with.
•The music for the US release of SonicCD was pretty awesome.

[Anonymous No.1646251]

>>1646225
>•Rock n Roll Racing SUCKS.
>•Altered Beast is painfully overrated
>•Duke Nukem 3D really wasn't that special once you get past the humor and tits.
>•Marathon Infinity was the best FPS of the time.
>•The music for the US release of SonicCD was pretty awesome.
I can agree with these.

Also:
>•Pokémon was fun at first, but now is just a sink for Nintendo to dump a ton of money into while neglecting other franchises that they never do anything with.
Opinions anon, not facts.

[Anonymous No.1646256]

>>1646225
>The music for the US release of SonicCD was pretty awesome.
That's a hard one. Both the English and Japanese Palmtree Panics were god tier stuff.

[Anonymous No.1646334]

JRPGs are almost a rite of passage for japanese teenagers, and most are passive aggressively anti western and anti christian.

And also, they are closer to adventure games than to rpgs.

[Anonymous No.1646340]

>>1646225
>Marathon Infinity was the best FPS of the time.
That alone makes me love you.

[Anonymous No.1646384]

Mario 64 is a terrible game.

[Anonymous No.1646575]

>>1646225
Tidal Tempest is my favorite track from the OST's, the US soundtrack is easily underrated but the JP one is slightly better

[Anonymous No.1646615]

>>1646334
>passive aggressively anti western

This is even more so seen in most anime.

>>1646225
>•Altered Beast is painfully overrated,

I don't think anyone's actually liked that game since 1991. It might have some fond memories due to being the featured genesis launch title, but it aged super fast.

[Anonymous No.1646724]

>>1644837
The best thing about tekken 3 was the fixing of the controls. Play 3 then go back to 1. Holy shit what an improvement 3 was.

[Anonymous No.1646896]

>>1646334
>>1646615

How are anime and JRPG's anti-western?

[Anonymous No.1647191]

The original Sonic the Hedgehog is pretty mediocre, even for an early Genesis game

Super Mario Bros isn't a bad game, but hasn't really been worth playing since SMB3 came out, just because SMB3 does everything SMB does and more, but better.

The Ooze, for the Genesis is criminally underrated.

Sonic Spinball was kind of boring

Dick Tracy for the NES was actually pretty awesome on every front if you can figure out how to deal with the rooftop snipers. (Hint: ACTUALLY FUCKING GET OUT SHOOT BACK!)

Skitchin' > any Road Rash game. It's fucking science.

Vortex was the best of the SuperFX1 games.
Speaking of which...
Starfox has not aged well.

Kagero: Deception 2 was a better game than Tecmo's Deception. While it did take away the abilities to harvest victims to build monsters as well add rooms to the castle as you see fit, it was worth it just to have AI that wasn't so stupid that it'd get stuck from trying to unsuccessfully walk through walls to get to you.

Not everything made by LJN is crap. I really enjoy T&C Surf Designs Wood and Water Rage. I never even associated LJN with crap until I started watching AVGN. Then again, I tended not to get movie tie-in games.

Electronic Arts' attempts to port PC games on the Genesis in the late 80s/early 90s actually had some pretty good results. Populous was quite playable, and the Genesis version of Starflight was actually pretty amazing, especially considering it's all on an 8-meg cartridge. Even Syndicate— which had to be scaled down considerably for console play, was still well executed and took advantage of the system as much as possible. (not including the music... ecch)

...

ET for the 2600 really wasn't that bad of a game. In fact, I can name several worse games for any system, including a couple games that hold sacred cow status among some. It's actually an okay game. I honestly wonder how many people who dump on it have actually played it.
YEAH! I FUCKING SAID IT.

[Anonymous No.1647226]

>>1647191
>I honestly wonder how many people who dump on it have actually played it.
Probably about five.

Also, I think that the SFC version of Tales of Phantasia is superior to its remakes.

[Anonymous No.1647246]

>>1646225
>•Krusty's Fun House actually is a really fun puzzle platformer

If that's the same as Krusty's Super Fun House, yes, that game was a ton of fun.

[Anonymous No.1647252]

Earnest Evans was a good platformer, with fluid controls, great physics, and neat FX and music. For many years it was my go-to game for mindless fun.

[Anonymous No.1647254]

>>1647191
>Sonic Spinball was kind of boring

Isn't that the general opinion of it? It looked nice graphically and had some neat environments but the game was slow as fuck and took forever to actually progress to the next zone.

[Anonymous No.1647262]

>>1643898

I agree with this guy 100% and anyone who defends forced multiplayer to unlock on disc content needed to 100% the solo game is a Nintendrone.

[Anonymous No.1647264]

>>1644047
For NES: Duck Tales 2 >>>> Duck Tales 1
The only good thing in Duck Tales 1 is Moon theme.

[Anonymous No.1647271]

I think all of Rareware's retro 3D games are the definition of style-over-substance. DK64 and the Banjo games are basically just baby games, while Conker is very unpleasant to play and shines as a game with a sense of poor prioritizing. Rareware throws in their token litmus-test of animating Conker to have an action where he's pushing against a wall, but the rest of the game is an abundance of mood killing cutscnes that last way longer than they should, and you're basically just doing trivial shit. It's like the anti-thesis to pure Mario 64 game design, years after Mario 64.

I guess Perfect Dark is the exception to this, and maybe Jetforce Gemini, but I've never played it.

[Anonymous No.1647282]

>>1647271
I liked Conker but Banjo and DK64 just felt like they focused more on mindless collecting than actual good platforming.

[Anonymous No.1647290]

>>1647282
>I liked Conker
Without going on about the humor and Conker's monologue, why? I'm not asking a rhetorical question, just curious.

Grapgical it's nice and really pushes the game to it's limit, harsh FPS strain to boost, but everything I've played so far has been unpleasant. Defective camera and laggy controls make the whole experience of rolling up poop and finding dumb bees even more tiring than it is.

[Anonymous No.1647974]

>>1645114
According to FFIX's delusional fanbase only a handful of people like FFIX and it's criminally underrated when in reality it's both well liked and one of the highest rated FF games almost everywhere.

As for unpopular opinions:
I like both Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. (apparently you can only like one of them)
Breath of Fire IV just isn't as good as II and III are. (I just don't dig the Asian theme it has)
I prefer Caesar III and Zeus over Pharaoh. (I guess I don't like Egyptian theme that much either)

[Anonymous No.1648032]

>>1643485
>FTW!

[Anonymous No.1648048]

>>1646225
>Altered Beast is painfully overrated

Not exactly breaking new ground here, most agree its a mindless stiff playing quarter muncher.

[Anonymous No.1648084]

I greatly dislike Final Fantasy games. I forced myself to play through FF6 because of how revered it was. I don't think it's a bad game, I just don't get the appeal of it. Character leveling and inventory management is fun, but the game mostly just boils down to playing with menus. And it's very slow. And I don't play video games for story, I read books for that. And it's by far the best FF I've played (out of 1, 7, and 10).

I'm a big Zelda fan, but I think Link to the Past is horribly overrated. I do like it, and I'm sure not playing it until a generation late hurts my appreciation, but it just feels so empty to me. It doesn't have the same sense of exploration the original had because you're more guided, and it doesn't have the same amount of interesting elements the other games release through the N64 did. I like almost every Zelda game released outside of the DS, but LttP is probably at the bottom of that list.

Metroid is better than Fusion or Zero Mission. And that's no "muh nostalgia," because I Fusion was the second Metroid I beat after Prime, and I played Fusion at the same time of the original and beat it first. The completely unguided exploration is something the rest of the series never quite accomplished (though MP gets close when you turn hints off).

I care more about the cream of the console's crop than the depth of the library, because I only have so much time for games. Thus, I don't have a big problem with the N64 because of how much I love its best games. Sure, I've gotten more time in the long run out of my NES and there's still loads on the Playstation I want to get to, but the N64 has made me happy and that's what matters.

Speaking of which, I think the depth of the SNES's library is overblown.

I like Super Mario World more than Super Mario Bros. 3.

While I had fun with Goldeneye, it was the start of a severe downslide in how much fun an FPS can be. Once things became about taking cover and dealing with a Z axis, it was all downhill.

[Anonymous No.1648101]

>>1648084
>And I don't play video games for story, I read books for that.

This is all the explanation you needed for why you didn't like Final Fantasy.

If you don't like story in video games, then those games aren't worth a single press of a button.


But if you do like story in your video games than yeah, you'd love it as much a s me or anyone else who does.

[Anonymous No.1648112]

DOOM aged horribly and people that say FPSs suck now are blinded by nostalgia since FPSs have always sucked.

[Anonymous No.1648113]

>>1648084
>I like Super Mario World more than Super Mario Bros. 3.

I agree with this, SMW is the peak of the original Mario side-scrolling platformer franchise.

3 isn't shit- in fact, it's fucking great, but World just took it even further and those who rank it higher are likely doing so because SMB3 hit them right at the perfect nostalgia point in their life or they were frustrated because they didn't get a Super Nintendo early..

[Anonymous No.1648124]

>>1648084
>dealing with a Z axis
Once you've experienced the joy of successfully rocket juggling somebody you'll change your mind.

[Anonymous No.1648130]

Earthbound is the most overrated SNES RPG of all time and the fanbase is full of pretentious hipsters.

[Anonymous No.1648135]

If Earthbound was popular no one would really care for it.

People only liked DKC due to grafix

[Anonymous No.1648137]

>>1645901
I would rather listen to the Super Metroid soundtrack over some of Brian Eno's ambient music albums, it is that good.

But I agree with the other guy on snes music often sounding washed up, like, the famous Mega Man NES compositions sound better than the Mega Man X compositions.

[Anonymous No.1648153]

>>1648130
>>1648135
>If Ness wasn't in Smash Bros., no one would really care for it.
Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.1648168]

>>1644449
>Remake
>irritating shit

Don't get me started. Ok, do get.

>No weapon in hand; can't grab anyone
>weapon in hand; everyone wants a back rub
>hard as shit grabbing fallen enemies
>standard enemies blocking supers
>standard enemies blocking fucking everything
>ninjas and their fucking invincible jump
>SoR 3 flying enemies and their screenwipe attack
>kickboxers and their 2 frame mid kick
>SoR 1 Galsias walking around at mach 1 and their stupid punch
>Abadede can't take 2 hits without going into invinci-motion
>them horrible vehicle segments
>dat companion AI
>those karate fuckers that can't be knocked down

Goddamn, I love the game but boy does it make me want to pull my fucking hair out.

[Anonymous No.1648172]

>>1648168
Also, can't believe I forgot-

>THOSE FUCKING JUMPING HOMING MINES!!11!

Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.1648173]

>>1643485
>F-Zero is BORING. Super Mario Kart isn't much better. Rock N' Roll Racing FTW!

F-zero is all about the time trials. If you're not trying to go for world records, you're not really playing the game the way it was designed to be at the highest level.

[Anonymous No.1648175]

>>1643485
>I find the grinding in Dragon Warrior to be ridiculous. It takes hours to do anything. I don't find the game fun at all because of the extreme grinding.

This isn't an unpopular opinion at all. Pretty much anybody who would play it these days would say the same thing.

It's a relic from a bygone era when kids could come home from school and have nothing else to do.

[Anonymous No.1648193]

>>1642798
I think Mario and Kirby are the only good platformer series out there. I've played a lot of others and I think they all don't "feel" right. Controls are too slidey jumps barely clear gaps no matter what you do, unresponsive controls, etc.

[Anonymous No.1648196]

Chrono Cross >>>>> Chrono Trigger

[Anonymous No.1648212]

Mystical Ninja 1 and 2 is the best games on the N64

Rare games and Majoras mask comes close second.

[Anonymous No.1648214]

Capcom's SNES soundfont is one of the most unpleasant things ever created.

[Anonymous No.1648216]

>>1648196
I am become death, the destroyer or worlds.

[Anonymous No.1648236]

Not unpopular but

FF8 is best played blind and only for one playthrough ever in your life.

[Anonymous No.1648257]

Super Metroid is insanely overrated

Megaman X is insanely overrated

Street fighter 2 even if it paved the way was meh at best and relied on spamming

Super Mario Kart is fucking shit by modern standards and is unplayable

Super Mario Bros. 1&3 are insanely overrated and 2 and World are FAAAAAR better

Pokemon BGRY aged well

Sypro is to easy and babbie to enjoy even with its ps2 tier graphics and gameplay

F-Zero and F-Zero X are insanely overrated

Chrono Trigger isn't overrated

Super Mario RPG aged better then any other game pre-2000

Super Man 64 was great because of how fun it was

The gameboy and GB color were nintendo's worst consoles and besides pokemon, mario and shante were shit. Doesn't count VB.

DKC was easy as fuck, but 2 and 3 were hard as nails

[Anonymous No.1648265]

>>1648257
>Street fighter 2 even if it paved the way was meh at best and relied on spamming
This is the only one I disagree with. Try spamming Tiger Shot or Hadoukens against me while I play low tier Blanka or Chun-Li.

[Anonymous No.1648269]

>>1648257

How's that fedora?

[Anonymous No.1648270]

>>1648265
I'm talking arcade mode.

Against a real player, yeah you need strategy.

Sorry, should of worded it better

[Anonymous No.1648271]

>>1648269
Shouldn't you be shitposting /v/?

These are opinions, just because I don't fucking love a game you love doesn't mean its shit you dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.1648283]

>>1643681
NO
>Tiny yellow c button that don't line up with A and B buttons
>Terrible joystick
>stiff D-pad
>A lot of awesome colors why don't all controllers come in a bunch of colors

[Anonymous No.1648286]

>>1648270
Oh, yeah. Arcade mode is piss easy when all the AI does is read only recent inputs.

[Anonymous No.1648287]

>>1643485

>>Goldeneye 007 was the best game of 1997. Even over Castlevania and Final Fantasy.

This is the biggest bullshit i've ever heard, 1997 is one of the best years in terms of gaming and you selected the worst game possible.

>>I find the grinding in Dragon Warrior to be ridiculous.

There is no need to spend time grinding, just learn to play.

[Anonymous No.1648292]

>>1648283
>colours are bad
I agree with your points besides that
also
>3 hands
>lets put right and left in the farthest place from you hands

[Anonymous No.1648295]

>>1648286
And my issue is thats the only way to win because they spam more
>fighting ryu
>HUDOKEN
>HUDOKEN
>HUDOKEN

[Anonymous No.1648304]

>>1648271

Oh he mad

[Anonymous No.1648396]

>>1647262
Stop bashing Nintendo like an edgy faggot and just use cheat codes to unlock the fuck out of whatever extra content you would want to unlock.

There, was that so difficult?

[Anonymous No.1648404]

>>1648257
Be careful with that bait, you could prick yourself with the hook.

[Anonymous No.1648419]

>>1648135
>people only liked DKC for the graphics

That music, tho

[Anonymous No.1648423]

>>1643485
>I think Banjo-Tooie sucked

Personally, I thought it was okay. Nowhere near as good as the first.

[Anonymous No.1648438]

>>1648135
If Mother 3 got released in the US shortly after the Japanese version, no one would care about it. Most people who loved it mostly ran around telling people "PLAY THIS GAME", and didn't play it too much themselves.

[Anonymous No.1648446]

>>1648419
The music and graphics are good, but I can't help but feel that DKC is just very run-of-the-mill otherwise. It doesn't do much differently from other platformers, and really just rides off of Rare's consistent graphical prowess and musical excellence. That's commendable, but it doesn't really make for an enjoyable game.

I'm not the same guy, for the record. I just feel similarly about DKC.

[Anonymous No.1648593]

The only reason why people like the N64 is because it was their first console.

[Anonymous No.1648596]

>>1648593
This isn't really an opinion, now is it?

People like the N64 because of four-player party games and Nintendo titles.

[Anonymous No.1648847]

>>1647290
It had an excellect variety of gameplay. With so many platformers of the time being almost entirely hop-n-bop with one flying scene and MAYBE a target practice segment, Conker included those gameplay archetypes, as well as elements of over-the-shoulder shooter, beat-em-up, vehicular combat, and even a racing scene.
It's easy to dismiss the game as a big collection dick and fart jokes, but there was some serious thought put in it.
Okay, so the controls weren't always perfect, but the rest of the game was good enough that they didn't need to be; they were good enough for what they were made for.

[Anonymous No.1648880]

>>1648596
Original Smash, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, Turok.

My first system was a Nes though

[Anonymous No.1648890]

Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 is the greatest fighting game ever made.

Followed closely by MvC2

[Anonymous No.1648894]

>>1648890
>Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 is the greatest fighting game ever made.
Agreed, actually. Whatever the fuck ever about infinites, just don't use broken characters. This game is fucking fun as hell.

[Anonymous No.1648947]

>>1648446
It made the game enjoyable for me.

[Anonymous No.1649074]

The original Metroid isn't a bad game, but it's absolute nothing compared to every subsequent game in the series, save for Other M.

[Anonymous No.1649149]

>>1648446
And you're exactly right. It is pretty run-of-the-mill when you take away the fancy graphics and music. It even had minecart levels, for fuck's sake. How can you get more 90s platform cliché than that?
That doesn't make it not worth playing, though. It still has tight controls, good music, and is pretty; which makes for an all-around enjoyable experience.

[Anonymous No.1649168]

TJ&E: Panic on Funkotron was more fun and more balanced than the original Toejam & Earl.

Turok 2 was an amazing game, and the need to conserve ammo added to the sense of urgency to make every shot count when getting attacked. Also, it was perfectly playable at max resolution.

[Anonymous No.1649178]

>>1648153
I was afraid I was the only person who felt this way

Everyone I know who cares about Earthbound learned about it through SSB

[Anonymous No.1649179]

>>1649168
>Also, it was perfectly playable at max resolution.
top kek. literally tried to replay it yesterday after many years on the n64. the framerate was a goddamn slideshow. absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1649186]

Okay here we go.

Zelda took to 3D almost as poorly as Sonic and each edition just makes it seem more and more a watered down RPG instead of a fun adventure. Mario was really the only one that made that transition smoothly.

Donkey Kong Country is a bland platformer sold on graphics and I find it shocking it ever stood out among the great platformers of its day.

N64 had the worst design for its generation in terms of hardware, even Saturn got certain things right.

Resident Evil was never any good, just a series of door puzzles and dull scares and by the time the controls were fixed it was just another shooter.

Nintendo gets a free pass from nostalgia despite making as many mistakes as others, plenty of anti-consumer decisions, and often questionable practices.

Rare's bad or dull games outnumber its good ones.

FF7 did not start the cinematic trend in games, it had low grind, high content, and very few FMVs, FF8 did.

Pokemon while fun is one of the most padded games every made due to its slow speed.

[Anonymous No.1649198]

Front mission is the greatest series of all time, in gameplay, style, story, and series developement. I think its sad that we probably wont be getting anymore of it. First is hands down the best snes game, even if it was japan only.

[Anonymous No.1649207]

I don't think retro games are better in terms of gameplay and whatever else than modern games.

I and (most - before the special snowflakes respond with how they're exceptions) others only enjoy them more because of nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.1649208]

>>1649207
Nostalgia faggots are cancerous. Remember the 90s XD.

[Anonymous No.1649213]

>>1649208
But I enjoy retro games for nostalgia and dislike the 90's kid circlejerk.

[Anonymous No.1650981]

>>1643719
He said pre-2000, not contemporary with SMB. Contemporary with SMB doesn't make sense because IBM PC wasn't the main home computer platform in 1985.

You don't like Commander Keen?

The idea that BETWEEN 1985 AND 2000 'PC didn't really have anything on consoles at the time except RTS, FPS and point and clicks' is laughable.

[Anonymous No.1651003]

>>1643852
megaman legends sucks. that is the unpopular opinion. The combat/aiming system is so shitty, the perspective is shitty i keep getting hit by those ceiling blenders. the dungeon maps are mega shitty, the dungeons themselves. I just did not enjoy that game one bit.

[Anonymous No.1651241]

>>1649207
You mean that as in you only find retro games inherently better because of nostalgia, right? You're not trying to say that people can only enjoy older games because of nostalgia or trying to be a snowflake?

[Anonymous No.1651262]

>>1648113
I imagine part of it is also difficulty. SMB3 is several tiers of difficulty ahead of SMW, and I can respect that, but that's only one element of what makes a game fun.

[Anonymous No.1651269]

>>1642798
OP, that's not even an opinion. It's just an observation.

[Anonymous No.1651281]

>>1649186
>Donkey Kong Country is a bland platformer sold on graphics and I find it shocking it ever stood out among the great platformers of its day.

Completely fucking agree. Never understood why so many people like this game.

I do like the modern ones, though.

[Anonymous No.1651295]

>>1651281
>Never understood why so many people like this game.

For the same reason why almost everyone of us has one or two subpar games he really likes: Fond child memories.

[Anonymous No.1651486]

>>1643585
I agree everything you just said.

[Anonymous No.1651528]

>It is okay to have opinions
>Even opinions differing than mine.
>I like a lot of indie games, and think that retro style looks in such games can be done well.
>feminists won't destroy gaming
>I hate it when people use wide screen on games that aren't supposed to be in widescreen
>I like playing retro games on CRTs, but it isn't the most important thing in the works.
> Not all Brazilians are bad people. I am American, but a few are close Friends of mine and total bros.
> The Play Station was pretty rad.
> So was the Turbo Grafx 16/PC Engine
> That said, every console is worth owning and has some worthwhile games on it.
>Ghost Lion is the best RPG on the NES
>Parasite Eve is the best RPG on the Play Station
>Any dudebro game where you get to be a badass with guns and rocket launchers and shit isn't really a horror game, including RE.
>CDs are an inferior medium because of disc rot and their ease of getting damaged.
>Shadow Man is the greatest metroidvania ever made.
>I don't four button pads are superiour to six button ones
> Shoulder buttons are nice, but not the end all be all.
>The frequently proposed in controller threads "all shoulder buttons" controller would be extremely unforgettable, and most likely only good for first person games, which would likely be better played with a mouse and keyboard anyway.
>I inherently like portable consoles better than ones that aren't.
>Final Fantasy VII was a rushed, hastilly made, and badly written made made for loser neckbeards, and has a dues ex machina ending.
>Chrono Trigger isn't the best thing ever.
>Neither is Chrono Cross.
>ZNES served me well when I was just getting into emulation, but I have moved on.
>Playing on real hardware is preferred, but emulation is a completely valid and acceptable way to play games.

[Anonymous No.1651530]

>>1651528
*I don't think four facebutton... six facebutton
*badly written game

[Anonymous No.1651537]

>>1651528
Oh, I forgot to say the most important one.
It is okay to like games I dislike, and it is also okay to dislike game I like.

[noko No.1651559]

Any male who enjoys playing RPGs has hormonal problems.

[Anonymous No.1651572]

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a shitlord, I just have a LOT of unpopular opinions.

>Everything ~1995 and onward isn't retro. The PS/Saturn/N64 generation began what is now modern gaming with a greater emphasis on story and style over gameplay and substance.
>The original Zelda game for NES is THE best Zelda game. By far. Of all time. Simple, exploration-based, pure gameplay, no overbearing story bullshit. 2 was good and LTTP was acceptable though.
>Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles weren't that great. It emphasized gimmicks and overly complex level designs, silly bosses, strangely stiff controls compared to 1/2/CD, and odd music.
>Sonic CD was by far and away the best Sonic game, followed by 2.
>US Sonic CD music sounded more like videogame music. JP/EU music sounded like horrible rap/techno trying to fit in with the "popular" music of the day.
>JRPGs have never been that good. Too simplistic, linear and too many "cutscenes" (in the old days of course this meant "endlessly press A to page through a book of text while staring at a headshot of the character saying it")
>Ultima V is the best RPG ever created
>Computers have always been better than consoles, even in the old days (VIC20/C64/Apple II was better than Atari/Intellivision, Amiga was better than NES, DOS was better than SNES/Genesis, etc)
>Donkey Kong Country series was never that good, it was a mediocre/okay platformer that was overhyped because people cared more about the 3d-rendered sprites looking "cool" than the games themselves

[Anonymous No.1651590]

>>1651572
More...
>They should have just quit making FPS after Doom/II/Final, it's never gotten any better than that
>The best Street Fighter game is still Alpha 2. Not 3, 2. Better mechanics and better roster.
>Shin Samurai Spirits (Samurai Shodown II) is the best fighting game ever despite an overflow of Engrish in the English version
>Commodore computer games (VIC/64/Amiga) are criminally under-represented on /vr/.
>Super Metroid is far and away better than the crappy (non-/vr/) FPS-wannabe games that came later
>I prefer emulation over actual consoles because real hardware is a pain to get working sometimes (esp old hardware)
>I never use any filtering on emulators because they're ugly as fuck

[Anonymous No.1651595]

Final Fantasy 6 has zero appeal to anyone older than the age of 13 and therefore is an overrated game.

[Anonymous No.1651601]

>>1651590
douk3d is way better than doom

[Anonymous No.1651602]

>>1651572
>>1651572
I think values of Zelda 1's design were better, but they weren't necessarily executed in the best way. For example, bush burning and bombing could easily become annoying bitchwork.

Golden Axe Warrior actually fixed some of Zelda's problems, though i don't consider it the better game. For example, having the axe, which endlessly cut bushes.

[Anonymous No.1651605]

>>1651595
All FF games are overrated, except maybe V. At least V doesn't take itself seriously was meant to be a parody of all the melodrama of IV.

[Anonymous No.1651610]

>>1651590
And finally, some of what *I* consider non-/vr/ stuff that is relevant on actual /vr/:

>The N64 is a vastly overrated pile of trash that maybe had half a dozen decent to fairly good games, mostly because of its hideous controller and ugly 3d
>Mario 64 is horrible, the controls are laughable and the camera is so bad that it actually makes the game unplayable in parts unless you memorize or anticipate the stupidity of the camera or stop and adjust the damn thing to something semi-acceptable (and it reverts to something bad moments later)
>N64 Zelda games are freaking horrible, buggy, ugly messes that are bad to control and remove any sense of exploration or fun
>Quake 3 is better than Unreal Tournament 99
>Even your idea of /vr/ shouldn't consider Dreamcast a "retro" system at least for another 4-5 years (and sadly you'll all probably beg for and get the rest of the PS2/XBox/GC systems in before 4-5 years go by)
>The Saturn is still the best console of its generation by FAR. So many simple quality games instead of a bunch of clusterfucks. PS has some good stuff though, just not nearly as much as most people seem to think
>(/vp/ leaking here) Pokemon is overrated garbage. Over-simplistic My First RPG clusterfuckery.

[noko No.1651618]

>>1651572
>>1651590
>Everything ~1995 and onward isn't retro. The PS/Saturn/N64 generation began what is now modern gaming with a greater emphasis on story and style over gameplay and substance.

Couldn't agree more. 3D graphics have ruined the game industry and will eventually lead to the demise of the console game industry, because it's success is based on novelty. Soon modern gamers will tire of walking down linear corridors and triggering cutscenes, and the online FPS will become old just like 2D platformers and fighting games before it, and when that day comes it will be game over.

I can't wait till that day comes, for gaming to return to the true gaming enthusiast. Soon, my friend. Soon...

[Anonymous No.1651627]

>>1644492
I really doubt it.Most CRPG fans hate JRPG style games.

[noko No.1651632]

>>1651572
>>JRPGs have never been that good. Too simplistic, linear and too many "cutscenes"

JRPGs were successful in the old days because they were a novelty. Theyr were a rare breed in a time when most games were simple arcade games. The only reason the genre hasn't died off is because there are so many people suffering with hypogonadism and OCD. Gamers don't play RPGs, people who have hormonal and mental problems do.

[Anonymous No.1651704]

>>1651572
>Amiga was better than NES

I'll even give you DOS being better than SNES/Genesis, but if we're talking about quality + quantity of games, no way was Amiga better than NES.

[Anonymous No.1651883]

>>1651610
>/vr/ shouldn't consider Dreamcast a "retro" system
Dreamcast games are more retro styled than PS1/N64, because of the strong arcade influence. I'd rather see PS1/N64 banned and Dreamcast allowed.

[Anonymous No.1651890]

>>1650981
>You don't like Commander Keen?
Commanded Keen series is garbage. I only enjoyed it as a child because I didn't have any console. Best PC /vr/ platformer is probably Jazz Jackrabbit, and even that is worse than SMB1. And to compare PC /vr/ platformers with Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania 3, Dynamite Headdy, SMB3, etc. is laughable.

[Anonymous No.1651978]

>>1651890
>Commanded Keen series is garbage.
You're the first person I've seen with that opinion. I know the original trilogy didn't age well, but the Goodbye Galaxy saga is still great. Dem fluid controls.

[Anonymous No.1652017]

>>1647974
>>1645114
>>1643365
If it's not VII, it's arguably underrated, but only in comparison to VII. But I think every Final Fantasy is overrated except MAYBE V because it didn't dare take itself serious since it's entire story was a response to the melodrama of IV, and was at least supposed to be a "back to basic" emphasis on game play over story. It's easy to question how well that worked, though, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.1652023]

I have always liked low poly games better than highly detailed games.
I'd trade low poly with nice textures over detailed graphics anyday.

Also, I like nintendo, but I never liked the main franchises of it. (Metroid, F-Zero, Zelda, Mario)

[Anonymous No.1652051]

>>1652023
>I have always liked low poly games better than highly detailed games.
>I'd trade low poly with nice textures over detailed graphics anyday.

Yes! Fucking this.

[Anonymous No.1652071]

>>1652017
Final Fantasy is the only series that felt the need to "go back to basics" three times that I know of. And V was not one of those instances.

[Anonymous No.1652078]

ZSNES is a good emulator

[Anonymous No.1654347]

atari jaguar and virtual boy are both great underrated systems.
neo geo pocket is the best snk system.
master system is better then the nes.
ice climbers is in the top 3 nes games.
super mario bros 2 (doki doki panic) is amazing.