EVERMORE

[Anonymous No.1616874]

This is far better, more interesting, and has a better atmosphere than any of the Mana games.

Discuss.

[Anonymous No.1616985]

I think so too. I love how SoE sometimes just uses ambience noises (for example in the jungle).

When this game came out there was beautiful wheather where I lived (which is rare). Had to take my parents word for it cause i didn't leave the house while playing SoE.


Might not be of interest to you but the german sub was phenomenal (usually most subs/dubs are utter horse-shit).


I don't fully understand it yet but i believe if it weren't for SoE, Terranigma and Illusion of Time/Gaya i might be a shitty adult now. These games helped me understand concepts that most would considered too demanding for kids.

[Anonymous No.1616991]

>>1616985
>Gaya

*Gaia

[Anonymous No.1616993]

>>1616985
What other /vr/ titles had good German scripts?

[Anonymous No.1617002]

I disagree, but I can enjoy both games.

And yes, the rumor that we didn't get SD3 because of SoE is still wrong.

>>1616985

What was so special about the German text? I had the game but the text never stroke me as something exceptional.

[Anonymous No.1617016]

>>1616874

>name the characters vic and blood
>pretend it's a harlan ellison story

[Anonymous No.1617035]

>>1616874
b-but SD3

[Anonymous No.1617039]

>>1617035

I find it boring by comparison.

[Anonymous No.1617042]

>>1616874
Weapon grinding nothx.
I leveled up my bone for 6 hours and then got a new weapon that made my bone useless.
Bleh.

[Anonymous No.1617046]

>[my opinion]
>discuss

I won't. I prefer SD3 and SoM atmosphere better than SoE. Discuss that.

[Anonymous No.1617053]

>>1617042
The magic system is worse than the weapons

[Anonymous No.1617057]

>>1617035

What has SD3 to do with SoE?

[Anonymous No.1617065]

>>1616874
>more interesting
I literally dropped the game for the must be 3rd time just last week when I tried to pick it up to start playing it yet again

I just don't know there's alot more fun games to play and everytime I pick this up I think okay Mana kind of action RPG I can get behind that definitely but you know I haven't finished FF Adventure or Legend of Mana yet those are better I'll come back to this next year

And the cycle restarts

[Anonymous No.1617083]

>>1617065
I have kinda the same issue. "Shit this is what I want!" Remembering those old ad pages from gaming magazines. Get set out into the jungle and then I just kinda drift away.

[Anonymous No.1617106]

>>1616993

besides SoE, SoM, Illusion of Time, Terranigma i would reccomend:

-Lufia 2 [SNES]
-Sim City 3000 [PC] (lots of text and the humor survived the translation. that's seldom the case)
-Startopia [PC] (tired of angry/shouting German? Not in this game. I think the voices of the main trader (Arona) and your assistand (VAL) were recorded by actual professionals. that's rare)
-Theme Hospital [PC] (the voices are boner-inducingly authentic. you feel like you are in a real hospital. the voice of the anouncer-lady gets audibly more stressed as you progess in the game and your hospitals are more hectic)
-Zelda Minish Cap [GBA]
-Zelda Wind Waker [NGC]
-Banjo Kazooie [N64]

-Blizzard Games (Diablo 2, WC3, SC1/2) were translated beautifully. The voices are always spoken by professionals. SC2 even translated in-game grafiti. I believe in the first mission there is a billboard somebody wrote "kill mengsk" on in the original US version. In the German version they actually translated it to "tötet mengsk". I was shocked because usually nobody translates small details like that.


For some authentic German PC-Games you might want to check out

-Pizza Syndicate, Pizza Connection 1/2
-Airline Tycoon (the voices are awesome)
-Gothik

[Anonymous No.1617112]

>What was so special about the German text? I had the game but the text never stroke me as something exceptional

Humor is very hard to translate. When there is a language-specific wordplay or expression most of the time it can't really be translated and mean the same. Sometimes there is something different that expresses the same that can be written instead but often there isn't. When translators are lazy they just translate the words and ignore the meaning (i guess translating was harder pre-internet) leaving a young player confused as to what something means.

A Good translator imo doesn't try to accuratly translate word by word but rather finds something funny to say instead. I believe Secret of Mana would be a good example for a translation that isn't word by word but still fun.

[Anonymous No.1617117]

>>1617106
>The voices are always spoken by professionals.
wohl kaum. Warcraft 2 was REALLY weird, especially the footman voice.

The Russian voices in that game are pretty good though

[Anonymous No.1617128]

>>1617112
The SoM and SoE translation were horrible botch jobs with a very bad kind of humor shoehorned into the games. We do not speak about the Moyse years anymore.

[Anonymous No.1617129]

>>1616874
Oh please
>Hardly any music at all
>Ridiculous story with a bunch of unlikable characters
>>1617042
There were a few things that was alright, but it is nowhere near as good as any of the Mana games.

[Anonymous No.1617151]

>>1617128
>very bad kind of humor

you just won the opportunity of explaining what 'good humor' is.

[Anonymous No.1617167]

>>1617151
I think letting the Goblins watch "Friends" e.g. in a Mana game does not qualifiy as funny.

[Anonymous No.1617171]

>>1617151
>you just won the opportunity of explaining what 'good humor' is.

[Anonymous No.1617176]

>>1617167

This feels like a setup....

The German version translated the tv show friends (which some kids might have known because it was on german tv i believe. might be broadcasted here years later tho)

with Lindenstraße.

When i was in elementary school i laughed my ass of that goblins would even know or talk about a crappy german soap opera.

[Anonymous No.1617182]

>>1617112
Translator here.
You're talking about 'localisation.' There's a difference.
I saw Me, Myself and Irene in Italian back in like... 2000? Or so. It was great. All the black people were dubbed with Neapolitan accents (kinda fitting, IMO) and it made numerous references to Italian pop culture of the 80s and 90s. It was great!
Then I saw it in English... Know what? I preferred the Italian one. I got all the English-language jokes and wordplay but felt the Italian localisation had better humour.
I saw Mrs Doubtfire in German in 1996. Not as good as English. Other than The Birdcage, Robin Williams' humour just doesn't translate well into German.
>mfw Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't allowed to redub his own roles in German-language versions because he sounds like a country bumpkin 'tard

[Anonymous No.1617216]

>>1617182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1e4bRgCBKs

Schwarzenegger should voice his movies in ger^^


if you want to hear phenomenal german dub voices check the prince of bel air

[Anonymous No.1617253]

>>1617129
>Hardly any music at all

It had better music than any of the Mana games on the SNES. You just haven't played far enough into the game.

>Ridiculous story with a bunch of unlikable characters

Since when did RPGs didn't have ridiculous stories? You're just biased towards anime-styled characters. The characters in SoE had a more down-to-earth and wholesome feel to them.

[Anonymous No.1617261]

The humor in SoM was okay. Sure, it was incredible infantile, but so was the target audience. Also, a lot of German translations get too much shit simply because some of the "critiques" have a "how lowly, he doesn't even watch/play it in the original" pseudo-elitist attitude which is quite funny because every idiot and their mothers can English these days.

Of course, the original is better in 99% of the time, but that's just the nature of the beast.. Translations are just an ungrateful thing, you only notice them if they suck. Try to watch some older dubbed sitcoms like "Married... with Children" or "Cheers" - those people really did a splendid job of preserving the original tone of the shows without ever slipping into a lifeless 1:1 transcription.

[Anonymous No.1617271]

>>1617129

The Mana games are bland animu BS.

SoE is unique and different, with a distinctly and enjoyably American '50s-cinema feel to it.

To each their own.

[Anonymous No.1617330]

>>1617253
>You just haven't played far enough into the game.
I've already finished the bloody game years ago! Forced myself to play through it to the end, and what music there was was not that great.
There's no point in arguing about the music because in the end, it all comes down to ones personal opinions since everyone has different tastes in music, and my opinion is that the OST in SoE is bad compared to SoM.

>You're just biased towards anime-styled characters
>Implying
I could not care less about the style. I couldn't even pretend to care about the characters and their boring stories. Down-to-earth is great and all, but this was just near-painfully dull.

[Anonymous No.1617348]

>>1617042
The game is specifically designed so that you don't have to grind weapons. At all.

Why do you grind them when you don't have to?

For that matter, even a casual playthrough doesn't need a lot of grinding. Get flash or hard ball to lvl 2, get to antiqua, get crush to lvl 3, never bother intentionally levelling any weapon whatsoever, and the rest is done automatically by required use.

If you grind in SoE, you're most assuredly doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.1617370]

Playing it wrong? Then i must be an idiot. I always threw away the instructions and just played with the lego blocks

[Anonymous No.1617371]

>>1616874
this is what tryhard fags actually believe

[Anonymous No.1617507]

>>1617035
>class system that requires you to grind levels and then grind drops if you want to actually use it
>sluggish combat
>complete lack of difficulty

[Anonymous No.1617531]

>>1617271
>The Mana games are bland animu BS.

How do they look more anime than the average JRPG? Find me an anime that looked just like Legend of Mana and Magical Vacation's design

[Anonymous No.1617537]

>>1617261
I didn't know who Heino was until I looked him up, but I did know about the Lindenstraße reference after a guy posted about it on a forum years ago

[Anonymous No.1617541]

>>1617253
>It had better music than any of the Mana games on the SNES

[Anonymous No.1617545]

>>1617216
What other German dubs do you suggest?

[Anonymous No.1617551]

>>1617128
Did Moyse work on Ocarina of Time?

[Anonymous No.1617556]

>>1617531

I never said they did.

I just like SoE because it's so gloriously different, and manages to be distinctly American in an enjoyable manner.

[Anonymous No.1619151]

>>1617545

Bud Spencer & Terrence Hill Movies
Police Academy Movies
as mentioned before Married with Children (Eine Schrecklich nette Familie)
southpark (imho often better than the original)
also you might enjoy the german version of 'the office' called Stromberg

[Anonymous No.1619167]

>>1617507
SoE needed you to grind spell reagents

[Anonymous No.1619181]

Hey German friends. I've been learning the language for a few years and want to brush up for a placement exam I have coming up with some games. I know it's not /vr/ but is there any german patch/version for Persona 4 that anyone knows about? thanks.

[Anonymous No.1619196]

>>1619181

Can't help you with that but check out grumpy-ass Uhrig's first speech!

http://youtu.be/aPsZnp7T5oc?t=1m32s

[Anonymous No.1619230]

I prefer SoE's gameplay because your dog's AI isn't completely retarded like your party's AI in Mana.

Also, if you can't into SoE's soundtrack, you are fully and irredeemably pleb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I8MIJDCrzc

[Anonymous No.1619237]

>>1619151

forgot: Movies with Eddie Murphy, especially Coming to America (Der Prinz aus Zamunda)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uqathuwtyI

http://www.trailerseite.de/archiv/trailer-1950/14438-der-prinz-aus-zamunda-film-trailer.html (Trailer in Ger)

[Anonymous No.1619238]

>>1619151
I have no idea why, but the germans feel the need to redub everything in german.

[Anonymous No.1619249]

>>1619238
For the same reason why the French and Spaniards do the same I guess.

[Anonymous No.1619268]

>>1619238
that constant changing of names weirds me out. Why did "The Great Escape" become "Gesprengte Ketten"? That's stupid

[Anonymous No.1621535]

>>1619181
Play Addams Family Values. The Mega Drive version has a German script

[Anonymous No.1621552]

>want to make a thread about how an often-maligned game is actually a lot better than the games it often gets unfavorably compared to
>gets taken over by fucking deutschlanders talking about localizations

feelsbadman

[Anonymous No.1621595]

>>1619230
>Also, if you can't into SoE's soundtrack, you are fully and irredeemably pleb
>Implying SoE soundtrack is good
Final boss ost in SoE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz8lyxHtIzE
versus
Final boss ost in SoM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhTegks6hiw

[Anonymous No.1621625]

>>1621595

Only SoE is better...

[Anonymous No.1621643]

>>1621625
>Only SoE is better

[Anonymous No.1621654]

>>1621643

What? It is.

It's like, a whole lot better. It's dark and atmospheric, like the interesting game it comes from.

[Anonymous No.1621667]

>>1621595
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, anon. Even in your counterexample, the SoE music sounds haunting and inspired and original to me, but the SoM music comes off like a shitty cover of a bad progressive rock song using a Casio keyboard rhythm bank.

[Anonymous No.1622498]

Every time a SoE thread comes I always make sure to jump on and remind everyone that it was Jeremy Soule's first soundtrack at the ripe age of 20. He went on to compose for Skyrim and many other great games.

[Anonymous No.1622529]

>>1617253
>It had better music than any of the Mana games on the SNES.

[Anonymous No.1622916]

>>1622529
Not the anon you're responding to but SoE's soundtrack was one of the best for the SNES if not one of the greatest video game soundtracks of all time. The music in Evermore has haunted the back of my mind for almost two decades, whereas I can't remember a single melody from any Mana game.

[Anonymous No.1622924]

>>1621595
>Final boss ost in SoM
that's not even the best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCUdhcRQMC4

[Anonymous No.1622928]

Man, the whole SoE vs SoM debate is worse than CT vs CC huh?

[Anonymous No.1622941]

>>1622928

I guess, only neither of them are anywhere near as terrible as CC.

[Anonymous No.1622962]

>>1622916

And yet I can remember ever single SoM soundtrack, and none of SoE's.

Those are called opinions and differing experiences, anon.

[Anonymous No.1622994]

>>1622962
>Those are called opinions and differing experiences

And because mine is different than yours you feel like you need to be a condescending asshole?

[Anonymous No.1623025]

>liking Jeremy Soule shit
He's one of the reasons games nowadays have generic "blockbuster movie" soundtracks.

[Anonymous No.1623030]

>>1622916
Jesus, is that the actual cover for the soundtrack? That's bloody terrifying.

[raquiel No.1623082]

Really not a fan of Evermore, but here are a couple interesting reads:
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/evermore/evermore.htm
And an interview of the lead programmer:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110716163947/http://www.super-nes.com/evermoreinterview.htm

[Anonymous No.1623084]

>>1623025

oh, de-nigger yourself.

[Anonymous No.1623147]

>>1617112
Move zig

[Anonymous No.1623153]

>>1617112
That's more localisation, but I fully agree with the sentiment. Ryusui (script writer for BoF2 retrans) wrote about this in a blog somewhere and it really came through his work.

Then you have the original retranslation of Chrono Trigger (to be fair, they did it more to give people resources, not to be considered as a proper localisation.

[Anonymous No.1623210]

>>1617112
>Humor is very hard to translate.

Because Germans are humorless?

[Anonymous No.1623216]

>>1622916
>Not the anon you're responding to

lol ok. I doubt there are TWO tone deaf anons in the same thread.

[Anonymous No.1623219]

>>1622928
There is no debate. Who gives a shit about either of them when compared with seiken densetsu 3?

[Anonymous No.1623321]

>>1623216

Here is a third one.

While I consider SoM as the better game, SoE had the better soundtrack on the whole in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.1623743]

>>1623210

No but seriously, they are.

[Anonymous No.1623745]

>>1623219

OP here. I was including SK3 when I said that I though SoE was better than any of the Mana games.

[Anonymous No.1623750]

>>1623743
Your jokes just suck.

[Anonymous No.1623754]

>>1623750

I changed my mind; Frau Merkel is fucking hilarious when she rapes and pillages Europe.

Seriously though, has there ever been a joke in a German localization that was honestly funny?

[Anonymous No.1623763]

>>1623754

Merkel is funny even if she doesn't say anything.

>localization

Well, yeah. The whole reason to localize is to find something equivalent to the original phrase without clinging too much to its original meaning.

Answer would be different if you talk about translation though.

[Anonymous No.1623767]

>>1623082

Thanks for this, anon. OP here, who is obviously an Evermore fanboy.

[Anonymous No.1623771]

>>1623763

I DO know the difference between the two. But to be fair, some people in this thread seem not to have done, so I understand you making the distinction.

[Anonymous No.1623792]

>>1623082
>Well, you can't really blame people for thinking that. It was a reasonable guess, it just happened to be incorrect. I was also disappointed when Seiken Densetsu 3 didn't get the US nod, but I had a chance to play the Japanese version, so I know it had some bugs. People who have played Seiken Densetsu 3 via emulation might know what I'm talking about. At the time, Nintendo was extremely strict about its zero-bug policy, and even with Square's history with Nintendo, I think they might have had a difficult time getting it through certification. They also might have had trouble getting the American consumer to accept its flaws without returning it to the store, which was much more common then. Of course, then we went and shipped Evermore with some bugs, so who I am to talk?

Didn't know. Pretty interesting. I always thought they didn't release SD3 because SoM wasn't successful enough or something like that.

[Anonymous No.1623825]

>>1623792

> For a very long time, I was actually reluctant to go back and play Evermore. I had developed a feeling like the game had turned out poorly, and I didn't want to have to look at it. When people would tell me they'd played it, I would apologize to them. The problem was that, at the time it was released, we had gotten panned by many reviewers, which didn't do much for my ego or my opinion of our game. We'd taken a lot of flack for not being Seiken Densetsu 3, and for being a Square game that wasn't full of Japanese mythology. We'd also made some bad choices (e.g. no multiplayer) and shipped with a few bad scripting bugs in the puzzles. Worst of all, I think, we'd placed the last save point before the first big boss way too far ahead, and so when you inevitably didn't figure out the winning trick fast enough and died, it was very upsetting to go back so far. That even happened to me after I got my freebie retail cartridge. I swore at the game, turned it off, and didn't touch it again for ten years. I'm really self-critical by nature, and the thought that all of our efforts had produced a dud was quite upsetting.

;_;

[Anonymous No.1623839]

>>1617176
>Lindenstraße

strasse is street and from the google images it seems to be a re-do of Coronation Street rather than Friends.

[Anonymous No.1623847]

>>1617271

this.

The cookie cutter animu characters have become so over-done in rpg genre that i won't play a game that uses character models of that nature.

either draw some original character models or stay the fuck home.

Evermore has uniqueness which makes it already better than like 8/10 anime rpg games.

FF uses very odd art style in the old game (Amano) and that works too...as long as it isn't cookie cutter animu than it's ok wit me

[Anonymous No.1623852]

>>1623839

They took Lindenstraße because Friends was completely unknown here at this time.

[Anonymous No.1623854]

>>1619151

Spencer and Hill movies...fuck I've watched a lot of those. I don't even speak the language im watching it in half the time but i still like the movie.

one where you fights and aligator and then for no reason gets a nuke dropped on him and then for no reason gets super powers and then FOR NO FUCKING REASON has to save Ernest Borgnine from a hot air balloon mishap.....you don't need any language at all for that shit to work.

[Anonymous No.1623856]

>>1623847

I wouldn't go quite this far. I actually like the anime graphical style, as it used to be at any rate, or as it's done in Bravely Default. It's clean, simple, fun to look at, and easy to understand.

But something different in a good way is always welcome.

[Anonymous No.1623859]

>>1617035
Seiken Densetsu 3 is not that good. We were more interest in the mystique surrounding the game than in the actual product.

[Anonymous No.1623871]

>>1623859

OP personally enjoyed it at least as well as the other Mana games, but it's ultimately nothing too special. I can think of a shitload of games I liked better, SoE not least among them. I immediately think of Demon's Blazon as well, probably because its overworld map is similar to the Mana games.

[Anonymous No.1623880]

>>1623856
>Bravely Default

that isn't the cookie cutter style of animu tho...that's the char designer who does some FF remake games (warriors of light i think)

Whoever does those char models has an original approach.

when i say like anime cookie cutter i mean like the women/girls with huge eyes (way too big), no mouths, stupid copy-paste hair you've seen like 50 milion times.

[Anonymous No.1623936]

>>1616874

If you're talking about atmosphere, legend of mana shits on just about anything.

It is the equivalent of opening up a book of fairy tales.

Say what you will about the combat or the "story" but the world itself in that game is incredibly enchanting. Moreso than Evermore.

[Anonymous No.1625621]

>>1621595

I'll do you one even better,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOXiofGVHc

SoE got nothin' on this shiet.

[Anonymous No.1625660]

>>1619268
Because literal translations suck ass.

[Anonymous No.1625664]

>>1621595
So, you're showing us that the SoE final boss theme is better... Why?

[Anonymous No.1625674]

>>1625664
>>1621667
>>1621654
>being THIS contrarian
And I haven't even played either game extensively and have no attachment to either. SoM's final boss theme is beautiful and intense. SoE's final boss theme is some droning ambient.

No, it is NOT better just because it's more obscure. I really hope you are just being contrarian for the sake of it because otherwise you all have some sort of a severe hearing deficiency.

[Anonymous No.1625792]

>>1625674

>being THIS butthurt

[see: opinions]

SoE sounds SO much better to me.

[Anonymous No.1625805]

>>1625674
>>1625792
Guys, guys, relax. Don't you see? You're BOTH retarded virgins.

[Anonymous No.1625841]

>>1625674

Sometimes, people just have different opinions because they - gasp - think different from you. It's hard, but if you accept it your life will be much happier. Big promise.

[Anonymous No.1625994]

>>1625805

It's a Christmas miracle!

I'm one of the ones involved in the 'argument' btw.

[Anonymous No.1626483]

Excuse my little derail, but since this thread is half about translations, I guess it's more appropriate to post it here than to make a new thread which wouldn't interest many people.

Anyway, I just started a new round of Final Fantasy VII with the new German re-translation and I must say it's really good. Much better than the train wreck which was the old German translation and also better than the English translation. I recommend it to any Germanfag who likes FF7.