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1581362 No.1581362 [Reply] [Original]

Why exactly are CRTs better for retro gaming?

>> No.1581364

>>1581362
light guns only work on crts, and old consoles only look good on a crt

>> No.1581393 [DELETED] 

Input lag, aspect ratio, lack of scanlines and pixel doubling when upscaling, slight image bluring and frame blending flickering, when that little blur that feeling of being part of the secret club of videogame connoisseurs.

>> No.1581397 [DELETED] 

Input lag, aspect ratio, lack of scanlines and pixel doubling when upscaling, slight image bluring and frame blending, that little blur that feeling of being part of the secret club of videogame connoisseurs.

>> No.1581410

Input lag, aspect ratio, lack of scanlines and pixel doubling when upscaling, slight image bluring and frame blending, that feeling of being part of the secret club of videogame connoisseurs.

>> No.1581448

Because most of the time it's what the games were developed to be played on.

>> No.1581491

Shortest answer? Because they display the interlaced, standard definition signals in native mode. HDTVs have to convert them, which takes a certain number of milliseconds and still doesn't perfectly represent it.

>> No.1581540

>>1581362
Only way I know of to get perfect motion quality (no sample-and-hold blur) with zero added latency on the original hardware (more easily accomplished if you're emulating). This is theoretically achievable with other display technologies but seeing as it would look worse for most other use cases (TV, movies etc) there's no market for it and AFAIK it doesn't exist.

>> No.1581610

>>1581362
because that's what i remember playing them on

>> No.1582181 [DELETED] 

theyr not its just some /random/ acoustic niggers shitting up the /b/oard

>> No.1582217

1. Compatability with light guns

2. Native Resolutions

3. No Lag (Important for Fighting Games and Rhythm Games mainly)

4. Better Image Quality

Other than that there is nothing really wrong with playing on an HDTV, unless you're like me and can't stand ghosting or really bad blurring.

Other solutions are upscalers, which are expensive or Emulation/Virtual Console.

>> No.1582248

>>1581362
because
>>1581364
>>1581410

And because the "Shortest answer" which is the longest comes from a kid who just discovered wikis.
>>1581491
Yeah I'm talking about you Jamal.

>> No.1582283

>>1582248
Nice post. Really contributing a lot to the thread.

>> No.1582287

>>1581362

>light guns
>display SD games at their native SD resolution (eg. 240p, 224p, etc)
>no input lag
>true blacks
>on the fly perfect deinterlacing
>better colors
>slightly blue tint

>> No.1582305

>>1582287
>slightly blue tint
haha

>> No.1583173

No native resolution so low res looks good, no input lag, richer colors, scan lines

>> No.1583945

>>1582217
>3. No Lag (Important for Fighting Games and Rhythm Games mainly)
And shootemups!

>> No.1583968

>>1583945

that atari sure had a lot of rhythm games

>> No.1583974

>>1583968
The point of this post is...?

>> No.1583987

>>1583974

that it's a genre that is virtually non-existant on /vr/ related consoles

>> No.1583992

>>1583987
>that it's a genre that is virtually non-existant on /vr/ related consoles

You're joking right

And aside from that, those aren't even the only genre he listed

>> No.1584021

>>1583987
Anon quoted a post talking about fighting games and rhythm games, of which there are quite a few on /vr/ consoles, then also added shmups, which are also obviously plentiful on old systems.

What is the problem here?

>> No.1584029

>>1583987
Have you seen the sheer amount of DDR games available for Playstation? That's not even counting the other rhythm games for just that console.

>> No.1584030

>>1583987
>"Dad, Mrs. Pranksie took us on a ruse cruise today, it was so fun!!"

>> No.1584048
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1584048

>>1582283
Contributing to threads is for nerds and like to beat up nerds.

>> No.1584341

>>1582283
Nice post Jamal

>> No.1585213

>>1583992

so what are rhythm games on sega saturn, ps1, nes, any atari, master system etc?

>> No.1585219

>>1585213
>rhythm games
>ps1

Where the hell were you when Bemani took over the world?

>> No.1585221

>>1585213
ps1 got pop'n music and beatmania for instance

>> No.1585224

>>1585213
all the obvious ones you're just ignoring to troll
bust a move/groove series
parappa
um jammer lammy
vib ribbon
etc.

>> No.1586924

>>1582287
>slightly blue tint

man, i miss that light. might be one of the reasons watching tv is so unsatisfying these days. colored light does weird stuff to you.

>> No.1586931

>>1585213
Battletoads

>> No.1586941

>>1586931
I chuckled. Then I realized you're kinda right.

>> No.1586948

>>1583987
You're obviously new to /vr/ gaming. Google is a powerful you know?

>> No.1586961

>>1585219
Beatmania 6th Mix The UK Underground

>> No.1587025
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1587025

DUNNO

>> No.1587053

>>1587025

Left looks all bled out. Right looks sharper and better.

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1587061

>>1587053

>> No.1587072

>>1587053
edgy, like the pic on the right

>> No.1587083

>>1587053
> Left looks all bled smoothed out and better. Right looks all pixelated.

Fixed it for you.

>> No.1587090

>>1587083
Damnit BBCode doesn't work in 4chan. "all bled" should have a strike running through it.

>> No.1587108
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1587108

>>1587053
>>1587025

>> No.1587128

>>1587108

Case in point, right looks like shit. If left weren't scaled as much it'd look great.

>> No.1587129

>>1587108

Remember, you are dealing with people who grew up on emulators.

>> No.1587132

>>1587108
This image is silly. The only reason it looks like that on the right is because it's being played on a TV

>> No.1587138

>>1587132

You mean like it was meant to played?

>> No.1587142

>>1587138
I dunno what relevance this has to anything. That doesn't change the makeup of the sprite.

>> No.1587145

>>1587142
>I dunno what relevance this has to anything.

Obviously.

>> No.1587150

>>1587108
HEY GUISE

itz troo, every tv looked like the one on the right :^)

>> No.1587151

>>1587128
>If left weren't scaled as much it'd look great.

Well yeah. But how else are you going to play fullscreen? You have to scale. It's a different kind of screen. Otherwise you're playing it in a window. Looks alright, but it's tiny.

>>1587132

As opposed to what, projected onto clouds?

>> No.1587161

>>1587025
Which one is CRT? The one on the right looks cleaner to me.

>> No.1587164

My 32' hdtv serves me just fine for PSX, PS2, N64 and SNES. I play rpgs pretty much exclusively. However, I wish I could comfortably fit a crt in my game room for the NES if nothing else. It doesn't look good at all. Been looking for something small like a 13" to fit on a shelf.

>> No.1587191

>>1587161

CRT left, HDTV right.

Image is from very close to the screen. CRT looks a little fuzze up close, but that would be like playing it with your nose to the screen. When you sit back a bit at a normal viewing distance it looks pretty clear. The slight blur is actually a good thing.

Right is HDTV, and it's "cleaner" in that it's sharp, but it is scaled by something like x4 through nearest neighbor giving it that jaggy look. That's bad.

>> No.1587197

ITT: trolls trolling trolls.

>> No.1587206

>>1587145
Well I mean feel free to explain it. Because it's the same sprite through different filters.

>> No.1587217

>>1587191
Hrm. For whatever reason, I prefer the right. In the Z II Link example elsewhere ITT, I prefer the left. I grew up on the original hardware but seem to nonetheless strongly prefer the non-CRT visuals. What says this of me?

>> No.1587218

>>1587217
>What says this of me?

That you have preferences.

>> No.1587221

>>1587217
You probably like your pictures to have ugly jpeg artifacts everywhere too, I bet.

>> No.1587230

>>1587218
Yay! Civility! A welcome change!

A Q for U: I remember when I first emulated aLttP after selling off my SNES and my 200 games back in like... 1999 or 2000 or so, I found it odd that Link's hair was a different colour than I remember. I've not played a hard-copy of the game in years and every rom of it I've ever found seems to have his hair different than I recall. Pink or purple or magenta or something.
Was the sprite on actual hardware that actual colour and I'm misremembering it as dirty blonde or was it actually dirty blonde and some other thing is rendering it purple/pink/magenta/whatever?

>> No.1587238

>>1587221
I don't know what those words mean.

>> No.1587271

>>1587206

The game was made to be played on a CRT TV and thus was designed with that in mind. details would be sized so that they'd show up properly even with blurring, dithering would be used to effectively create extra colours beyond the console's limit thanks to blurring that show up clearly as two colours in a clean HD image. The CRT was the intended medium, and its strengths and weaknesses were taken into account.

>> No.1587280

Does anyone have a side-by-side comparison?

I'd love to see some proof to back up all this "muh CRT" nonsense.

>> No.1587284

>>1587280
>nonsense
you've already made up your mind

fuck off and enjoy your laggy jaggy grayblack HD LCD

>> No.1587426

Multisync.

This is the only reason.