/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1568628]

>Blurred dithering
>Better colors

Why are you not using composite?

[Anonymous No.1568639]

Composite gives you more rupees.

[Anonymous No.1568643]

>>1568628
I prefer HMDI + retron 5000. Shit is unreezy off the heezy, runs zelda for the atari genesis like no tommorow

[Anonymous No.1568647]

A case could be made for NES (since the common RGB mods turn the games into technicolor nightmares) and the Genesis, Saturn, and PS1 (which use dithering heavily), but for SNES and N64, there's literally no reason to use composite.

[Anonymous No.1568650]

>>1568647
>but for SNES and N64, there's literally no reason to use composite.

Wait, what? Does the N64 even support RGB without modifications?

[Anonymous No.1568652]

>>1568643

*sigh* /vr/ has become nothing more than corporate shills and shitposters. I guess it's the fate of every board, eventually.

[Anonymous No.1568657]

>>1568650
No, but it does support S-video, which is still a great step up from composite.

[Anonymous No.1568658]

Because dithering is best left untouched.

[Anonymous No.1568672]

Dithering does lose some effectiveness in RGB, but the benefits definitely make up for it. As for the colors, a proper RGB mod (NESRGB board) allows you to use regular NES colors instead of emulator style or PC 10 colors.

[Anonymous No.1568673]

>>1568658
Those are some sort of NEC home computer games. Who the hell uses composite with a PC monitor?

[Anonymous No.1568678]

>>1568672
I wish you could say that about Genesis.

http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/rgb_compare2.html

[Anonymous No.1568679]

>>1568658
Pardon my ignorance but what is the last game?

[Anonymous No.1568691]

>>1568679
burning force?

[Anonymous No.1568692]

>>1568652
*unzips dick"

[Anonymous No.1568694]

>>1568678
One thing to mention though is that the blue bands in RGB can be fixed to the point of removal (or maybe so faint as to be invisible).

[Anonymous No.1568697]

>>1568679
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/alantia/alantia.htm

[Anonymous No.1568723]

>>1568694
Oh yeah?

[Anonymous No.1568762]

>>1568678
RGB is way better for the Megadrive, even if the dithering isn't quite as good most things still look fine on a crt tv..

>MUH WATERFALLS

[Anonymous No.1568798]

>>1568762
But the colors. The fucking colors.

[Anonymous No.1568826]

Hell no.

If there is one console that needs RGB, its the Genny. The snes, eh, not a lot of difference. But the genesis? Its entirely better.

[Anonymous No.1568838]

>not blurring your dithering

[Anonymous No.1568906]

>>1568798
Yes, another reason why RGB is clearly superior.

[Anonymous No.1568915]

>>1568906
They're bolder on composite.

[Anonymous No.1568923]

>>1568643
>unreezy off the heezy
>zelda for the atari genesis
right on man

[Anonymous No.1568940]

>Implying I can't adjust the sharpness if I want more blending out of my RGB signal

You can always make a signal shittier, but you can't make a shitty signal better.

[Anonymous No.1568953]

>>1568673
I used RF on my C128 because I didn't have anything better.

[Anonymous No.1569173]

>>1568628
The color difference is due to the NES PPU outputting NTSC colors that will appear differently depending on the decoder hardware used by the TV, while the Playchoice-10 PPU used for RGB out for NES outputs colors in a more straightforward manner so they're consistent, but they are much more vibrant than the NTSC palette.

For other systems, RGB should just be an improvement in clarity with only minor difference in color.

Also, NES games over RGB is better accomplished with emulation since you can use a palette that's closer to what the NTSC colors look like on your TV. Nestopia's "canonical" YUV palette looks very close to my actual NES composite output.

[Anonymous No.1569297]

>>1569173
If you use the SCART-to-YUV transcoder to convert your RGB output to Component you can manually tweak the color intensities to your liking, too. It's a shame it doesn't have multiple presets but I'm sure digital pots would push the price up quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.1569303]

>>1568647
Saturn looks a hell of a lot better with svid at least.

[Anonymous No.1569338]

>>1568798
I honestly wonder what the artists intended.
Obviously everyone played on composite or RF back in the day, so you could say that was their target.
On the other hand, they almost certainly drew everything on high quality RGB PC monitors.

[Anonymous No.1569339]

>>1568915
Nope. See.
>>1568678

[Anonymous No.1569341]

>>1568628
>-
Because I like Blarg's NTSC filter with S-Video preset.

[Anonymous No.1569424]

>>1569338
The obviously drew things on high quality RGB monitors, and intended things to be viewed this way. Look at the typewriter in this Chrono Trigger screenshot. The single pixel detail isn't dithering, it's representing individual keys. If you blurred it the object would be unrecognizable. Even the Sonic waterfalls prove that the graphics should be sharp, because the "dithering" is in fact vertical lines representing individual streams of falling water.

[Anonymous No.1569531]

>>1569424
Your full of shit.

>Even the Sonic waterfalls prove that the graphics should be sharp

No it's not. It has spaces to fucking allow for transparency you one bit dickweed.

[Anonymous No.1569547]

>>1569531
The bigger thing here is what was he trying to type? A letter to Lucca? The next War and Peace? An existential piece on why he can never utter a word and everyone understands him anyway?
He probably typed his responses and showed them to his party members. He was just too quick for the players to see.
Also, whats with that boat next to it?
Illuminati

[Anonymous No.1569552]

>>1568658
Truthfully the linework in the bottom game looks so crisp and beautiful undithered.

[Anonymous No.1569869]

>no spritw limit
>no slow down
Why aren't you emulating yet?

[Anonymous No.1570818]

>>1569869

>spritw

Ya blew it

[Anonymous No.1570826]

>>1568658
Is something wrong with my monitor if top left image is moving?

[Anonymous No.1570860]

>>1569338
>I honestly wonder what the artists intended.

They intended to get their earnings by the people buying their work. Plain and simple. That's the one thing all devs intended in retro vidya, everything else is just confusing nonsense

[Anonymous No.1571295]

>>1568628
I'm thinking about getting an RCA to HDMI upscaler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_l-UJE4eiw

Kind of sucks because I just ordered a univesal cable with s-video

[Anonymous No.1571304]

>>1571295
>Converting composite to hdmi
Absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.1571321]

>>1571304
Did you watch the video? Sonic stood out the most imo. No blurring while moving.

[Anonymous No.1571592]

>>1570826
Are you using a CRT?

[Anonymous No.1571608]

>>1571592
old BenQ TN LCD, but this shit is not visible on DVI

[Anonymous No.1571617]

>>1571321
I didn't watch the video at all because I know damn well starting out with a composite signal is wrong from the beginning.

What you want to do is use RGB SCART and convert it to Component.

[Anonymous No.1571625]

>>1568658
w-what games are those?

[Anonymous No.1572975]

>>1571617
>RGB SCART and convert it to Component
It may be a little offtopic. If I do that, can I just use two male RCA cables, meaning the yellow, red and white ones or are there some variant of two male component cables?

[Anonymous No.1573010]

>>1572975
Yeah you can just use two sets of "composite" cables, which are just cables with RCA ends same as "component" cables. You only need a blue marker to change the colors to be correct, too because yellow + blue = green. I usually put a green ring around the red cable that I use for the Pr channel to differentiate it from the Right audio channel though. If you run your video cables near power cables you may want decent shielded cables for the video though.

[Anonymous No.1573046]

>>1573010
>You only need a blue marker
I am sorry, but what do you mean by that? Don't they have any Poti or something like that?

[Anonymous No.1573079]

>>1571608
its probably your monitor, I know that a monitor I used to use (some cheap LCD tv with monitor inputs) would cause images with lines like that to "move".

[Anonymous No.1573087]

>>1573046
I mean if you scribble blue marker over the white plug on a Y-R-W set of RCA cables you get blue and if you scribble the same blue marker over the yellow plug you get green.

So two sets of Y-R-W with blue marker on one Y and one W set of plugs gets you R-W-R-G-B component cable colors plus an extra yellow that can be used to carry composite and/or sync

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