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At what point do videogame systems officially become classed as 'retro'?
I'm pretty sure the Gamecube is classed as retro but it's only 13 years old which feels weird
Is the PSX retro yet?

>> No.1549658

Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>> No.1549661

>>1549658
I know that you douche, but c'mon, the Gamecube definitely feels like it's reached the 'retro' point

>> No.1549686

>>1549661
Take it up with Moot. He made the rules

>> No.1549685

The Gamecube, launched in 2001, feels "retro" to you, but you feel the need to ask if the PS1, from 1994, is retro yet?

>> No.1549690

>>1549661
Clearly you didn't if you are seriously asking if the PSX which came out in 1994 is retro

>> No.1549718

>>1549651

Retro style is style that is consciously derivative or imitative of trends, modes, fashions, or attitudes of the recent past. It generally implies a vintage of at least fifteen or twenty years.

>> No.1549728

OP is the reason why 6th gen isn't retro
If the gamecube were retro, the 14-20 crowd would arrive, bringing their modern bullshit

>> No.1549731

SA has much looser classifications of what is retro, which is great because it means there is never a post like "X isn't retro."

I wish we had something like that here. In my opinion anything that isn't current gen is retro. I know that doesn't work for other things but I think of it as a generation rather than a cluster of years. Things the last generation of humans did is now considered retro, so why not also things the last generation of consoles did?

>> No.1549745

>>1549728
Why do people always use this as their argument? It's become redundant.

I'm 19 btw

>> No.1549752

>>1549745
That's not quite what 'redundant' means, but I get your point.

Nonetheless, 6th gen isn't and shouldn't be discussed here. Perhaps GBA should be up for consideration, but nothing newer. Yet.

>> No.1549814

So here's a better question.

When WILL the gamecube be considered retro. In ten years? 15 years?

>> No.1549845

>>1549731
It's all a matter of fanbases, though.
6th gen+ has many more than 5th and under, and most of 6th gen' fanbases are shit.
I totally agree with you about last generation = retro, but I don't want a /codg/ on here

>> No.1549857

>>1549814
It won't. It can't be be, ever.

>> No.1549870

Eventually I think you'd have to start breaking down "retro" further.

1st and 2nd gen would get a board, 3rd and 4th would get a board, 5th and 6th would get a board. 7th onward can eat a dick.

Unfortunately, that would also make things feel very fragmented.

Maybe it's just because I grew up with it, but N64 and Atari sharing a board doesn't bother me as much as Genesis and 360 doing so would.

>> No.1549871

>>1549651
Nothing past the dreamcast will ever be considered retro get out reseller scum

>> No.1549875

>>1549871
are you saying in 50 years no one will consider the the wii u retro?

>> No.1549880

>>1549875
No

>> No.1549890

>>1549658


>Dreamcast shares games with ps2
>Dreamcast is retro but not the other sixth gens

How is that logical ?

>> No.1549887

>>1549870
I think a generation should have 15-20 years from its introduction until it can be retro.

>> No.1549895

>>1549890
Dreamcast also shares games with N64. It kind of straddles the 5th/6th line.

>> No.1549916

>>1549890
>its4chaniaintgottaexplainshit.png

>> No.1549921

At some point we'll have to redefine the rules I think. Even now we seem to be straddling contradiction with the rules explicitly laid out in the sticky by talking about say, Conkers Bad Fur Day or Banjo Tooie (both came out in 2001). I know it says "platforms" and not "games" launched in 1999 or earlier but really the PS2 had game releases in 2000 and 2001 like Bomberman Kart which honestly do feel just as retro to me as the PSX or certainly the Dreamcast.

I think we'll need some sort of tier system. Retro up until 1995 and then 1995 through 2010 and so on and so forth for example.

>> No.1549940

>>1549895
The Xbox 360 came out while the 6th generation was still going on and shared a lot of the same games.

>> No.1549946

>>1549940
So when it's considered "retro" we can discuss how it blurred the lines between generations as well.

>> No.1549970

>>1549880
that is straight up retarded man.

>> No.1550263

Personally I don't even agree with the Dreamcast being considered retro. My inclination would be to have a cart based console board. Systems with CD add-ons (PCE/TG16, Mega Drive/Genesis, etc) would also be included since their core systems were cart based. I know it isn't very logical, but that's just how I feel.

>> No.1550270
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1550270

You have to move the goal posts sometime.

Just look at cars from the 80s - 10-15 years ago, they were pieces of shit that everyone laughed at. Now they're highly sought after collectors.

>> No.1550276

>>1550270

In all fairness, that's still a piece of shit.

>> No.1550281
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1550281

>>1550270
Nope. Something happened in the fall of 2001 that changed everything.

Halo was released.

>> No.1550282

>>1549661
no it doesn't.

>> No.1550285

>>1550276
Grand Nationals were never shit...

>> No.1550286

>>1550263
i think they should release the shemnues as HD remakes for the PS3 or PS4, whatever. That being said, I think that if the dreamcast is retro, gamecube, xbox and ps2 should also be.

There is no threshold for when stuff becomes retro, but i think 2 generations should be good enough. Now the PS4 is here, PS2 should be retro.
I don't have anywhere to talk about ps2 games. Or about gamecube stuff.

>> No.1550287

>>1549814
>When WILL the gamecube be considered retro.

Around the same time people born in 2000 start visiting and posting on /v/.

If these people are anything like me, then they will start posting in 2016.

>> No.1550293

>>1550276
>Buick Grand National
>Piece of Shit

nigga, go learn something.

>> No.1550302

>>1550286
>Make it retro because I can't make my threads last in /v/ and /vg/

>> No.1550303

>>1550287
be careful or you might get retroactively banned

>> No.1550301

>>1550285
>>1550293

niggys gonna nig

>> No.1550309

>>1550286

That sounds pretty fucking stupid.

>> No.1550308

>>1549940
It also lasted well into the 7th generation of gaming. DC barely got a chance to compete with the 6th gen.

>> No.1550306

Were the Sega Genesis/SNES considered retro back in 2001/2? After all, they would have been about 11 to 12 years old at that point, while the GC/Xbox/PS2 is 14 years old, and a game for the PS2 was released last year.

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1550313

Pretty sure this grafix master is already considered retro, right?

>> No.1550320
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1550320

>>1550301
>niggers

OK

how about "it was the fastest production car you could buy at the time"?

same reason pic related was (and still is) fairly popular

>> No.1550329

heres how to determine retro

>1.the system is not backwards compatible with any modern system (modern meaning any system still available commercially)
GC > Wii, Xbox > 360, GBA > DS

>2.The system has been discontinued, and has not had an official (aka non-homebrew) release for 5 or more years.
PS2- January 4, 2013
Xbox- May 18, 2008
GameCube- 2008 (cant find exact day)
Dreamcast- March 30, 2001
GBA - 2008

>3. games for the system are not available new at retail
My walmart still has gamecube games. granted they're all sports (tiger woods games mostly), but still.

>> No.1550347

>>1550329
i can find new games of the PS1, final fantasy origins and stuff like that. and at normal prices.
your third point is kind of invalid, also, the PS3 plays PS1 games.

>>1550309
I can legally fuck a girl born in april 2000 and tell her:
this vidya is younger than you, and it also costs more.
(14yos are legal in lots of countries, k?)
It's a stupid point, but it makes you morons think. 2000 was 14 years ago.

>> No.1550353

>>1550329
btw, I'm not arguing for gc/xbox/ps2 being retro, in fact you'll notice that the only system on there that is retro is the dreamcast.
PS2 had a game come out a few months ago, and the others are still backwards compatible.

If you do use that post, then the ps2 will be retro in 2018, the xbox once the 360 is dropped, the GC when the last wii game comes out, and the GBA when the DS is dropped.
My estimate is that we'll see:
>GBA
>Wii
>Xbox
>PS2
in that order, probably starting around 2015, maybe 2016.

>> No.1550359

>>1550347
>i can find new games of the PS1
So you can walk down to your local super market or gamestop and pick up a brand new never opened copy of final fantasy, and for a "normal" price?
>I can legally fuck a girl born in april 2000
Never mind, 3rd world rapists need not apply.

>> No.1550361

>>1550329

i've never seen a gamecube game from 2007, let alone 2008

dreamcast had games in japan until 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triggerheart_Exelica

gba had few games after the ds launch and i don't think anything that wasn't a very small amount of multiplatform shovelware came after 2006

>> No.1550372
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1550372

>>1550347
>i can find new games of the PS1, final fantasy origins and stuff like that. and at normal prices.
...Where?

>> No.1550379

>>1550361
>i've never seen a gamecube game from 2007, let alone 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_GameCube_games
My target also has GC games still on sale in the discount section. They had a copy of fuzion frenzy for the xbox for a long time too.

And even if DC still had games coming out in 2007, that would still fit in with his 5 year rule.

>gba had few games after the ds launch
>DS launced November 21, 2004
>last GBA game in 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_consoles

6th gen isn't retro, deal with it.

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1550380

>>1550353
>and the GBA when the DS is dropped.
Wait a second.
The DS was already dropped in favor of the 3DS.
Holy shit we can talk GBA now.

>> No.1550382

>>1550380
>and has not had an official release for 5 or more years.
nope

>> No.1550381

The rules are what they are. Personally, I would think that 20 years or older is a better marker (or simply leave it at 2D+primitive 3D), but whatever. I am sure it will change eventually, but until then let's just be happy discussing what we are supposed to discuss based on the board rules.

>> No.1550383

>>1549651
>At what point do videogame systems officially become classed as 'retro'?

The definition for retro on this board is 100% arbitrary. The line had to be drawn somewhere in order to make the distinction.

Shit, I've met people who still can't get over the fact that the PSX is 20 years old.

>> No.1550384

>>1550383
It won't be 20 until December, actually.

>> No.1550391

>>1550359
yeah
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png
italy, germany, lots of green countries.
how does it feel being a moron?

>>1550372
estarland, cduniverse
games for 15 dollars. new games, good games.

>> No.1550392

>>1550383
>>1550384
People dont think of systems as being as old as the launch day, but rather how long its been since they were discontinued (or since the last time they used it seriously, for those 3rd worlders of us). Thats why I always think of the Xbox as being fairly new, despite it being released in 2001.

>> No.1550394

>>1550391
>yurop
>not 3rd world

>> No.1550398

>>1550391
>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png
So a 25 year old can fuck a 14 year old and be ok?
Sounds pedophilic.

>> No.1550401

>>1550398
I'm pretty sure 14 year olds aren't prepubescent.

>> No.1550402

>>1549651
Officially (as in what the dictionary and the rest of the world say) "retro" means a modern production that mimics an older one. By this definition nothing you consider "retro" actually is. About the only thing that fits the "official" definition of "retro" would be a retron. "generations" are made up groups created by career academics so they can publish papers on how video games teach kids to go postal and hate feminists.

Once you realize it's all just made up bullshit you can get on with enjoying some classic older games without working about what anyone's made up words mean.

>> No.1550405

>>1550394
this is better than everything that i could ever say
japan, china, germany, italy
all with 14 years for age of consent.
buuuut, u s of a, with, well, mixed ages, so they must be right.

well... enjoy your u s of a.
i enjoy not being charged with statutory rape.

>> No.1550407

>>1550401
puberty doesn't happen on an exact date.

why is this thread still up.

>> No.1550408

>>1550398
see?
the world does not bount to your rules.
we have our rules and they make sense.
you're as dense and closed minded as a fucking muslim.
think about that

>> No.1550412

>>1550405
Who said I live in the us?

>> No.1550413

>>1550313
May as well, it's not like anyone really uses it for much more than a modded retro machine anyway.

>> No.1550420

>>1550407
If it hasn't at least started by 14, then you should probably see a doctor.

>> No.1550421

dont forget to sage

>>1550408
i cant tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with him.

>> No.1550430

>>1550412
if you don't, and are talking crap about europe or japan, then you're just beyond retarded.
and I mean, if there is a line about being retarded, you would have crossed and walked a mile from it.
You could also be canadian, but the age of consent there is 16, and that's kind of close.
Anyway, you're wrong.

>> No.1550432

>>1550408
>you're as dense and closed minded as a fucking muslim.

>>>/pol/

>> No.1550451

>>1550430
Japan would be nice, except for the crowd mentality. I could do that short term.
Europe is just overall shitty, bunch of pussy faggots. The only place even slightly redeemable is the ex-USSR, but I still wouldn't want to ever live there since the vast majority of it is literally 3rd world living conditions.

>> No.1550460

The notion of retro has less to do with "release date" and more about a philosophy of game design that has waned in recent years. Neo-gamers favor cinematic experiences over challenging gameplay which most retro games had. Of course, you see retro style mimicked by the indie crowd, but even those aren't really retro, they're more like cheap facades that try to imitate but can never duplicate the amount of dedication and complex design put into retro games. The DC is considered retro because of how its library had the last bastion of retro-style arcady games released, which was always the case with Sega consoles since they were one of the biggest arcade devs around. And then you have stuff like Xbox Live Arcade, which has some ports, but also some original games. Really, I wouldn't mind indie stuff or XBLA vidya to be discussed on /vr/, despite being released recently. They still attempt being retro, which should count for something. My view of retro:

>sprite/vector graphics
>chiptune music
>minimalist design that's easy to play yet with a steep "mastering" curve
>scoring system
>rank and other difficulty mechanics
>released on old hardware optional- but if you're discussing hardware, it should be based on year of release, unlike software which has a different standard, and that is it's based on its design rather than what system it's developed for

This is what it means when a game has a retro spirit to me, and when /vr/ discards date for game design, the board will improve.

>> No.1550563

>>1550460
>when /vr/ discards date for game design, the board will improve.
No because then you'll get minecraft and fez threads. People will argue that because X game is allowed, then Y game should be too.
>"waaaah, why cant I talk about half-life 2, but I can talk about tomb raider"
>"your rules are arbitrary and bullshit, waaaaaaahhhhh"
it would be a logistical nightmare.

>> No.1550617

Threads like this are the reason why the Dreamcast shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.

Hell, I wish 5th gen consoles would have stayed not retro like they were initially.

>> No.1550839

So, it has begun, eh?

>>1549661
>>1549745

>> No.1550842

>>1549814

Wait for the new gen to be announced. The release of the Xbone is what pushed the Dreamcast to be allowed.

>> No.1550854

>>1550617
The Dreamcast is an appropriate crown jewel for Retro gaming. Beautiful, accessible, and died before it could be raped by Halo clones.

>> No.1550856

>>1550320
It wouldn't be fairly popular if it parked like that around here.

>> No.1550867

When the Gamecube is "retro" I will just shit up this board with my Gamecube-loving faggotry.