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In retrospect, this is probably my favourite N64 game.

>Mighty Gazelle is the best racer

>> No.1547072

What was the deal with this game's difficulty on higher levels?

>> No.1547086

I always did a spin attack as I crossed the finish line.

>> No.1547212

>>1547072
Insane rubberbanding.

It's still possible to beat the standard version cups without losing a race with any ship but the DD cups become nearly impossible to beat at times.

Also, Night Thunder best racer.

>> No.1547217

>>1547060
The OST is just amazing.

>>1547072
>>1547212
That's what prevents me from loving the F-Zero games. There's no middle ground when it comes to their difficulty levels. They just go from piss easy to infuriately unfair.

>> No.1547220

>>1547212
Pretty much. If you fuck up at all, you lose. Which is annoying because you really want to kill your rival on the hardest setting to give yourself some leeway. But if you fuck up a kill, you'll probably be left behind.

>> No.1547234

>>1547217
Honestly the only F-Zero games that are total bullshit are the SNES games. F-Zero X has terrible rubberbanding but it's still perfectly doable if you have a good understanding of the course and use the right ship settings. You can make minor mistakes on many tracks and still win on Master difficulty if you're good at the game.

On the other hand F-Zero almost completely negates any lead you can get with its rubberbanding system and there are extra ships on the track purely for the reason of screwing you up and making you crash. Not to mention the collision system is incredibly infuriating because it makes your ship turn to the side, rendering smooth recovery an impossibility.

>> No.1547232

>>1547220
What you do then is kill 5 other cars to get an extra life, and then restart the race.

>> No.1547362

>playing f-zero x against a friend
>they fall of the edge of the track and die
>roulette wheel appears
>they keep spinning the wheel
>eventually they get the right sequence
>as a result game depletes 99% of my life
>lightly bump against side of track
>die

That pissed me off

>> No.1547375

>>1547362
Don't hit the walls. Then laugh in their face when you complete the level with no life. Feels good man.

>> No.1547381

>>1547362
does that roulette thing actually do something? My friend and I play the game every now and then. he's a pro at it, since he played it a lot as a kid, but I pretty much suck at it, so, i'm doing that roulette thing fairly often. I never noticed it having any effect on the game though.

>> No.1547384

>>1547212
I remember this in the first one. I'd spend minutes in 1st and then the first time I knock a civilian car and slow down for one second four opponents would shoot right past me like they'd been 10 feet behind me the whole time.

There has to be some something shady going on in the background.

>> No.1547389

>>1547381

You can deplete almost all of your friend's life if you get the right sequence.

>> No.1547392

>>1547384
I remember reading that it's because the game can't render the entire course and all the racers on it, so when you get a certain distance ahead or behind it despawns the other racers and keeps them at that distance.

Or something along those lines, at least. I'm not an expert on SNES F-Zero because it pisses me off.

>> No.1547402

>be 13
>get second hand copy of f zero x
>on death race
>previous person's record of destroying all 29 racers is within 1 min 30 secs
>spend ages trying to beat their record
>quickest time I can manage is 3 mins.

But then
>Reading Nintendo magazine
>has page for high scores and records
>section for f zero x death race
>quickest speed there is 1 min 33
>take photo of my screen
>send into magazine
>recorded as f zero x death race champion

I'm a fraud

>> No.1547425

>>1547402
At least you can take solace in the fact that you are no longer the fraud record holder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npZZxxtZYDY

>> No.1547432

>>1547425

Jesus Christ....

>> No.1547450
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>>1547212
I recall there always being rubberbanding, sure.

but what I am remembering mostly in F-Zero X on the hard difficulties...was like reverse rubberbanding for you or something:

>start race
>going okay first 10 seconds
>everyone just starts passing you for no apparent reason.
>nothing you can do.
>try to block or ram, just slows you down more
>back of the pack, making literally no headway
>this is hell.

>> No.1547720

>>1547450
The AI is simply faster than you on Master in general in addition to the rubberbanding. It's somewhat hard to avoid getting passed on the first lap but on almost every track in the game you should be able to hit 10th place by the end of the first lap, and then reach first during the second and stay there during the rest of the race.

The AI likes to rubberband a lot but there are hard limits to how fast they can go on most tracks because they aren't good at corners and they can't take shortcuts. Sometimes you can even force them to go so fast that they end up flying off cylinders.

>> No.1547730

I never understood this game. Every time I went fast my car spiraled out of control. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I was playing with a keyboard so maybe that has something to do with it.

>> No.1547753

>>1547730
>playing with a keyboard

F-Zero X has extremely sensitive controls and you aren't using analog.

>> No.1547760
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>mfw every single CPU racer falls off the track in X Cup

>> No.1547769

>>1547730
Playing with a keyboard is like asking to lose control. You need to be able to adjust your turns very precisely with an analog stick in order to prevent sliding. Try it again sometime with a controller.

>> No.1547772

rubber band ai = artificial difficulty

only play the game for time trial or multiplayer, shit like >>1547720 is stupid and just not good game design, use cheats to unlock everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clAycR8nXGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PysWxrRDPhA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUSxabS5_qM

aside from those the ost isn't good

>> No.1547778

>>1547772
Nah, you're just shit and want to make excuses about being forced to cheat. A challenge is a challenge. There are no arbitrary good or bad specifications on challenges. If you treat the AI as mobile obstacles that must be passed in order to win then it wouldn't even be an issue. AI aren't supposed to be exactly like real players in the first place because then winning would be literally impossible.

>> No.1547787

what the fuck is rubber band

>> No.1547789

>>1547778

racing games are about mastering the track, playing the track, not figuring out ridiculous AI exploits and trying to mitigate and exploit them in order to win

>> No.1547792

>>1547789
Except you don't win in F Zero X by exploiting the AI, you win by going fast. As I posted about earlier there is a limit to how well the AI can race.

As long as you play skillfully and master the courses you can beat all four cups on Master difficulty with the slowest ship in the game every single time. You don't even need to kill your rival or deliberately gimp your speed at any point.

>> No.1547794

Whats everyone's favorite Fzero track?

Mine is this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyWa1U6T1DY

Favorite car is Little Wyvern for reverse-furry Starfox.

>> No.1547801

>>1547794
I always loved Port Town 1, Mute City 2 and the Quick Turn track whose name I forget. No gimmicks or bullshit, just straightforward technical tracks with lots of fun cornering.

>> No.1547808

>>1547792

any time a player has to stay out of first for any amount of time to win it is a bad racing game

no exceptions, there is no justifiable excuse

>> No.1547814

>>1547808
>any time a player has to stay out of first for any amount of time to win it is a bad racing game

Except this never happens. Ever. You can stay in first place the entire race as soon as you reach it. Like I said, you never have to deliberately let the AI pass you. No exploits are necessary as long as you're fast enough.

>> No.1547824

>>1547808
ninja'd, so see >>1547814

Also, your next line is going to be "but in >>1547720 you said you can only be 10th by lap1, fag"

He didn't say that btw.

>> No.1547828

>>1547212
I want to finish this game on master difficulty but eventually gave up because it's fucking insane.

also
>mighty gazelle

have fun with that idiot exploding everytime, it's how gazelle became an android in the first place. his ship is just flimsy as fuck. at master difficulty you need at least an A rank speed and at least B rank body to get anywhere.
if your body is shit, you will crash and if your speed is shit you'll lose no matter what.

>> No.1547834

>>1547828
I've beaten the game with Black Bull, though, who has an E rank in speed.

>> No.1547835

>>1547824

actually i was not going to respond at all

epic mind games dude

>> No.1548104

>>1547828
that's not true at all, you can beat Master with any character

and yeah, this is definitely the best N64 games.

it's disgusting that there are still console games that run below 60 FPS at all, let alone below 30 FPS

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>>1547060
>Mighty Gazelle is the best racer
Based OP

>> No.1548117

>>1547828
>crashing at all

>> No.1550456

This thread convinced me to play this game. Thank god I saw it. This game is incredible.
Mighty Gazelle best racer.

>> No.1550462

>>1550456
It really is the saving grace of the N64. Literally the only thing that made me wish I had one, and convinced me to pick one up when they were going for bargain bin prices after the PS2 came along.

>> No.1550483

>>1550462
Not a Zelda fan?

>> No.1550490

>>1550483
Zelda looks and sounds great, and I liked watching my friends play it, but I don't really enjoy playing it myself. I don't like action games that run at such a low framerate, it makes me feel like my controls are lacking precision. I never really liked playing it.

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>>1547760

This

shit is fucking great.

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1550753

Very few games have given me the sense of accomplishment that the F-Zero games have. They're tough sons of bitches, but it feels really good to win at 'em.

>> No.1550790

>>1547772
dude, F-Zero X is metal as balls.

That's part of why it's so cool, some of the songs are brutal, especially for a first party Nintendo title.

>> No.1550812

>>1550753

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aU0jov1elY

"hey it's that music that plays in every single episode of the anime"

>> No.1550947

There is something I really like about F-zero X compared to GX
I think its just the fact that its visuals are so much more plain

>> No.1550950

>>1550947

the physics and handling is much different in X

that's the main reason i can see someone liking it over GX...that and the atmosphere, i liked the hardcore comic book pages vs the cheesy sega stuff in GX

>> No.1552036

>>1550812
Is the anime good?

>> No.1552054

>>1552036

it tries to mimic things like batman beyond and the 90s spiderman cartoon

is episodic and starts out slow but picks up around episode 22, and the last 10-12 episodes have a steady plot & the drawing / animation quality improves

watched episodes in a random order on youtube, haven't seen every single one but did see most of them

it's the kind of thing i didn't care for at first but gradually warmed up to the characters as i watched and kind of appreciated the character dynamic between falcon and the main character

tl;dr is it good? not really should you watch it? idk your call, i'm just saying it gets better than it starts out

this guy uploaded all the episodes on youtube, turn on annotations for subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd4kOLFi8T8

actually recommend not watching them in order and just skipping around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gmFdERev48

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Can you beat my time, /vr/?

Sorry for the shitty phone pic. Don't have a capture card.

>> No.1552821

>>1552815
Oh, and it's an NTSC time, not PAL. Forgot to mention that.