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Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:26:20 2014 No.1509425 [DELETED]

Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine is playable on Mupen64Plus. Why isn't this bigger news? Infernal Machine has been considered a sort of holy grail of N64 emulation for ages.

I used mupen64plus-video-z64.dll and mupen64plus-rsp-cxd4-sse2 All z64 options were enabled except NoNpotFbos.

Game seems a bit unstable, which is to be expected. Plus there are heaps of graphical glitches. But it's a really impressive N64 game.

M64Py - Mupen64Plus with GUI.
http://m64py.sourceforge.net/

Cheats (Level select, etc)
http://www.cheatcc.com/n64/ij_atim.html

You'll have to find the game rom yourself. It's only 20-30MB, though.

The game chugs a bit, but seems fast enough to be playable on my Q9400 @ 3.2Ghz. I'' continue posting screenshots. Had to use FRAPS to capture them since they come out blank with Mupen's internal screenshot function.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:29:19 2014 No.1509435 File: 431 KB, 640x478, m64py 2014-03-31 14-13-38-01.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:31:50 2014 No.1509442 File: 412 KB, 640x478, m64py 2014-03-31 14-22-52-75.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The texture alignment isn't quite right, which is pretty common with N64 emulation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:36:20 2014 No.1509459 Pfft, Gauntlet Legends is the holy grail of N64 emulation. I will accept no substitutes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:45:50 2014 No.1509485 >>1509459 >Pfft, Gauntlet Legends is the holy grail of N64 emulation. I will accept no substitutes. Gauntlet Legends runs, and is playable, though. It just has graphics corruption for a lot of plugins and configs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:45:50 2014 No.1509486 >>1509425 It isn't bigger news because "Playable" is not a good end results. It will become big news when it's no longer unstable and without tons of glitches, until then it's like a game entering Alpha: Utterly meaningless to the end user.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:48:50 2014 No.1509494

>>1509486
>It isn't bigger news because "Playable" is not a good end results. It will become big news when it's no longer unstable and without tons of glitches
You are never, ever, ever going to get Infernal Machine totally stable. The game isn't stable on real N64 hardware.

The game is playable. This was previously considered pretty much impossible, due to how esoteric Infernal Machine's coding is. The voice acting works, and the graphics glitching seems to mainly affect things in the distance - likely related to the game's aggressive culling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:49:19 2014 No.1509495 >>1509425 >emulating a port of a pc game Is the n64 version superior in some fashion, or is this more of a "because it's there!" thing?

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:50:49 2014 No.1509497
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>>1509495
It has better lighting, poly counts, particle effects, animation, and controls. It is, however, quite buggy. Average playthough on a real N64 will see a handful of N64-locking crashes.

>>	trip !i3kWuSv4AM Mon Mar 31 00:51:19 2014 No.1509506 trip test

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:51:49 2014 No.1509504 I don't post here often. Is there a way to emulate Paper Mario issue-free? I remember there still being a lot of visual errors a couple years ago.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:52:19 2014 No.1509507

>>1509495
>>1509497
In case you're wondering, N64 is on the right. Indy has directional lighting, there is grass, and a cactus in the distance.

>>1509504
>Is there a way to emulate Paper Mario issue-free?
I believe Paper Mario has been fine for some years now. Just use Glide64 as a plugin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:52:19 2014 No.1509508 >>1509459 Is that a joke, or could you point me to a rom of Legends that doesn't look and run like a bag of fertilized ass?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:52:49 2014 No.1509510 >>1509495 The n64 version has had some graphical updates over the pc version, and some gameplay updates such as the lock on mode (it takes a few cues from zelda as can be seen in the screenshots).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 00:56:19 2014 No.1509516 >>1509497 >decreased resolution >colors are washed out >textures look like shit THANKS CONSOLES

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:05:50 2014 No.1509529

>>1509516
What are you talking about? The colors look slightly washed out, but it looks much more like a desert plateau kind of thing that way. And there's no way you can tell me those textures look like shit. it looks better than the PC's by a mile. The resolution is true though, N64's resolution is trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:08:19 2014 No.1509536 File: 591 KB, 640x478, m64py 2014-03-31 15-06-49-50.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1509516 Here's how it looks on an emulator. I'd argue the "washed out" look is because of dynamic lighting. The PC version is dark and flat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:10:49 2014 No.1509538 >>1509529 >N64's resolution is trash. Infernal Machine runs at 640x480. That was the highest resolution the N64 was capable of. The AA and lacklustre outputs did hamper that, though. Also, the game runs at 30fps, which is rather impressive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:11:49 2014 No.1509540 Does it work in RetroArch (which uses M64+) ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:13:19 2014 No.1509541 >>1509540 >Does it work in RetroArch (which uses M64+) ? I have no idea. I think it requires the z64 plugin, plus a special RSP plugin built for Rogue Squadron. (rsp-cxd4-sse2)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:15:19 2014 No.1509543 File: 501 KB, 640x478, m64py 2014-03-31 15-12-06-84.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:19:19 2014 No.1509546 File: 467 KB, 640x478, m64py 2014-03-31 15-16-56-97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it just me, or does this look like 256 colour?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:26:19 2014 No.1509559 >>1509546 I'm getting 35,000 odd colours from a colour count, so I doubt it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:31:19 2014 No.1509565 >>1509541 >>1509540 not yet. z64 has not been added yet

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:31:49 2014 No.1509568 >>1509459 >>1509508 Dark Legacy on all fucking systems runs better emulated then Legends could and it's better then legends anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:35:19 2014 No.1509583 Definitely feels like a game designed for 640x480. I've never seen such clean, high resolution UI elements in an N64 game before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:36:19 2014 No.1509586 File: 229 KB, 1030x838, gauntlet.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1509459 Oh hi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:38:19 2014 No.1509594 >>1509586 If I had to guess, I'd say you're using SoftGraphic. That plugin which apparently steals code from somebody else so nobody will touch it with a ten foot pole anymore. Still, pretty useful for troublesome games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:40:55 2014 No.1509601 >>1509594 No, actually, that is Angrylion's plugin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:42:24 2014 No.1509603 >>1509601 Ah, my mistake. Yes, I believe Angylion's work was stolen to make SoftGraphic, hence the butthurt around that plugin, and why their output looks so similar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:46:53 2014 No.1509605 >>1509586 >>1509594 >>1509601 >>1509603 Are you.... Saying it actually IS possible to netplay Gauntlet Legends finally?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:48:53 2014 No.1509607 File: 70 KB, 587x558, sadtoad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1509605 Oh bah. This plugin's requirements are ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:48:53 2014 No.1509606 >>1509605 Apparently. Never gotten it working myself, but I've never put any real effort into it. Also, LLE emulation tends to be demanding.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:49:23 2014 No.1509610

>>1509605
Uh, potentially, but the only plugin that gets close to emulating it glitch-free is also slow as all fuck, so no, it's not quite ready for netplay yet. There's a guy who's currently working on optimizing the fuck out of that plugin, however, so just wait a few months and hopefully he'll have something to show for it then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:50:53 2014 No.1509613 >>1509606 >>1509610 Damnit, my heart skipped a beat for nothing. The search continues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:52:23 2014 No.1509614 >>1509613 Just know there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Most of the legwork is done. All that's left is to make it actually playable on computers made on this decade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:54:23 2014 No.1509617 >>1509425 >holy grail of n64 emulation >Pokemon Snap Pick two. Good thing that game still sells for peanuts, despite being one of the finest on the n64

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:55:53 2014 No.1509620 File: 66 KB, 640x502, 1396245329956.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1509617

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 01:59:53 2014 No.1509626 >>1509620 There's a bug which breaks the game's detection of what is being targeted by the camera.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:00:54 2014 No.1509632 >>1509626 That was the point of the screenshot. SoftGraphic fixes that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:03:23 2014 No.1509639 >>1509632 >That was the point of the screenshot. SoftGraphic fixes that. I was just saying that for the benefit of anyone who didn't know the problem with Snap's emulation. As you said, the screenshot has the emulator detecting the pokemon correctly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:09:24 2014 No.1509648 So, are there any n64 games that are still unemulatorable, or are we good to go and this thread is redundant?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:09:24 2014 No.1509649 File: 58 KB, 640x478, m64py 2014-03-31 15-30-41-05.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The lighting is VERY good. Kinda like Turok 2\3, but without the slowdown.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:10:53 2014 No.1509651

>>1509648
>So, are there any n64 games that are still unemulatorable, or are we good to go and this thread is redundant?
There's still the slight problem that a huge chunk of N64 games don't emulate PROPERLY. But one of the biggest "WILL NEVER BE EMULATED, EVER" games is now emulatable.

Also, I don't think Battle for Naboo runs. At all.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:11:53 2014 No.1509653
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>>1509648
You'd still be hard-pressed to emulate Donkey Kong 64 without it turning into Expand Dong 64 at random. I've heard it would require cycle-accurate CPU emulation to eliminate this.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:13:24 2014 No.1509657

>>1509653
Good example. Locking the game to audio synch does help significantly, but it never quite goes away.

Also, that weird bug which resets the map happens more often on emulators than real N64 hardware.

Oh, yes, and the famed Body Harvest is still broken - physics are mucked up badly, making the game unfinishable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:13:53 2014 No.1509659 File: 1.40 MB, 1280x960, 1396246415309.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1509651 Oh, it runs. Very slowly, and with some glitches, but it runs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:22:06 2014 No.1509671 >>1509546 it sure does look as if! :O So many memories :D

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:23:36 2014 No.1509673 I don't know why, everyone says the n64 graphics aged poorly, but fuck me if some of the games aren't byooutifuul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 02:31:36 2014 No.1509684 >>1509673 >I don't know why, everyone says the n64 graphics aged poorly, but fuck me if some of the games aren't byooutifuul. Some N64 games were ugly, and some simply suffered from the N64's crappy output. But a lot of them looked very nice.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 08:20:03 2014 No.1510076

There are still a lot of games that can run but aren't optimised very well, I'd like to see them being flawless before adding support for games that nobody will play.

Legend of the Mystical Ninja has run with the same slow-downs and graphical bugs it had about a decade ago.

Anonymous Mon Mar 31 09:50:21 2014 No.1510158

>>1510076
>There are still a lot of games that can run but aren't optimised very well, I'd like to see them being flawless before adding support for games that nobody will play.
Factor 5's games were considered some of the best on the system. Rogue Squadron, Battle for Naboo, and Infernal Machine all suffer from similar emulation problems.

The only reason Infernal Machine is running is because of the z64 plugin (plus a low level RSP plugin), and the z64 plugin was specifically created to run games with ucodes which haven't been reverse engineered, like Factor 5's.

>Legend of the Mystical Ninja has run with the same slow-downs and graphical bugs it had about a decade ago.
I believe it runs a lot faster in Mupen64Plus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 10:31:50 2014 No.1510198 >>1509459 I'd rather play gauntlets for sure. Also excitebike.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 11:17:21 2014 No.1510256 >>1510198 I'm pretty sure Excitebike works. I recall playing it on PJ64 1.6.1 with Glide64. Wasn't very impressive, but I'm not really a racing game fan. This list seems to think it runs, too. http://bmgcl.atspace.cc/n64mgcl/N64ConfigList.htm

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 13:10:48 2014 No.1510405 >>1510256 Loads up sure, but with glide64 and PJ64 anything, no it doesn't run properly. It's always had problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 18:16:03 2014 No.1510874 >>1510405 What problems?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 31 18:38:09 2014 No.1510929 Is there a way to get Battletanx to run in Mupen64plus in Retroarch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 1 01:39:32 2014 No.1512006 Switching to Interpreter mode seems to make the graphics less glitchy, but you're looking at an overclocked Core i5 or something to get a playable framerate in that case.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 2 05:34:01 2014 No.1514616 File: 66 KB, 628x466, m64py 2014-04-02 19-32-30-74.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 2 10:18:21 2014 No.1514841 >>1514616 You should try Battle for Naboo next.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 3 05:08:32 2014 No.1517041 >>1510929 Does it run in Glide? Have you tried it? Glide best plugin they have in RA right now for N64. SP (one of the devs) has said he will add the z64 plugin later. That's the plugin that this guy is using in this for Indianna Jones and such.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 3 06:15:42 2014 No.1517106 File: 120 KB, 628x466, m64py 2014-04-03 14-07-11-12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1514841 Runs really slowly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 3 07:11:10 2014 No.1517148 I'd love for a good N64 emulator. Then I'd be set for life

Anonymous Thu Apr 3 07:23:10 2014 No.1517153

>>1509546
>>1509559
It's possible that they used 256 colour textures, they did stuff like that very often to save fillrate. Plus the N64 had that stupid texture cache limitation too.
I wouldn't be surprised if the textures would use even less colours, like 64 or 32.

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