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1491514 No.1491514 [Reply] [Original]

At least they were nice enough to offer a suicide ditch.

>> No.1491525

Does that count as artificial difficulty?

>> No.1491528

Agreed. I actually liked the bad warp zones. It made the world feel a bit more sinister.

>> No.1491549

>>1491525

You shouldn't even be trying to use the warp zones anyway.

>> No.1491561

>>1491549

You can go into one expecting a bonus room.

>> No.1491565

>>1491549
>You shouldn't be trying to use things the designers put in the game

Come on, son.

>> No.1491585

>>1491525
No, and it actually serves a purpose, if you're chasing highscores it allows you to return to earlier parts of the game to build your score up easier.

>> No.1491612

>not wanting to backtrack to max out your score

>> No.1491863

You don't really need a suicide ditch when you have a time limit.

>> No.1491874

>>1491585
No one plays mario for score.
Its not a particularly intersting scoring system since its a very linear one.

>> No.1491882

>>1491874
Yeah uhhhh... that's why they threw in warp zones

>> No.1491903
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>>1491882

>> No.1491906

>>1491882
its put in there for the same reason there are dead ends in zelda dungeons.

There really isn't much relevancy to the negative warp zone. You reach it once have a great laugh about it, kill mario. Than you never go there again. Its a minor aspect of the game.

>> No.1491968

>>1491874

> no one plays mario for score

I do...

>> No.1491972
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>>1491968

>> No.1491976

>>1491972

I don't know. Last time I played it I easily broke 5 mil.

>> No.1492046

>>1491514
I swear the death pit wasn't in the original. At least not the virtual console version.

>> No.1492201

>>1491863
Losing a life isn't punishing enough, they should make you wait for minutes too?

>> No.1492235

>>1492046
theres a hole in the one on 3-1 but not in 8-1

>> No.1492239

It's on world 3-1? Can't you just warp straight back there?

>> No.1492679

>>1491863
It's to send you a message.

>> No.1492878

>>1491968

I guess more people would if the game actually had a persistent high score.

>> No.1493380

>>1492878

All stars

>> No.1493531

The Warp Zones in 2 were meant to mess with the head of anyone who was used to using them in the original.
Thats why they were put in, stop trying to over complicate it.

>> No.1493612

>>1492201
You earned that death. Savor it.

>> No.1493653

>>1493531
No. See >>1491585

That explanation is just as simple as yours and way more logical.

>> No.1493659

>>1491874
When I was a kid my family did a thing for a while when we got Super Mario Bros where we played for score.

>> No.1493657

>>1491874
>No one plays mario for score.

But lots of people do, that's why it has a score system

>tfw old enough to remember the nearest arcade having Super Mario Bros as part of a tournament
>too young to enter though

>> No.1493669

>>1492878
The deluxe version does, and the later releases all support save states.

>> No.1493676

>>1493659
It was kind of broken when my mom got the highscore because she either heard about or found the extra lives trick by accident.

>> No.1494141

>>1492235
Really? That's fucked

>> No.1494180

>>1494141
Yeah, you just have to wait the timer out or use the pipe.

>> No.1495414

>>1493653
No.

One of the most basic tenets of game design is to build expectations (which was done in SMB1) and then dash them.

Using it to get high scores would be seen as an exploit rather than an intentional design choice.

>> No.1495426

>>1492878
>>1493669
I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure my buddy's NES cart of SMB/Duck Hunt still has my brother's high score from when he beat it like 4 or 5 years ago.

>> No.1495715

>>1495426
How does a NES game without a battery or any SRAM keep scores saved?

>> No.1495740

>>1495426
Its impossible since it has no saving capabilities at all, and I doubt he kept nes running for 4-5years straight.

>> No.1496292

>>1495426
Not on the original cart, but is there a way to modify it to be able to save scores? You could always add a battery in I imagine, but how easy would it be to get the game to recognize and use it?

>> No.1496303

Actually reverse warps seem like a pretty good idea. Just keep looping through the first couple worlds getting coins and 1-Ups to build a nice stockpile of lives.

I know you can do the infinite life trick literally 5 seconds into the game, but if you can't get it to work or just don't want to feel like you're cheating this is a good alternative.

>> No.1496374

yeah there was a lot of subversion in smb2, lots of cheap tricks and jokes the designers played on you

i don't mind it that much since that flavor is so rare to see in a mario game and some of it is genuinely funny.

>> No.1497761

>>1491525
Not as bad as fucking heart thieves in Zelda second quest.

>>1496374
Yeah Mario LL was basically Super Mario Bros: Troll Edition.

>> No.1497791

>>1496374
>>1497761

Always found it interesting how apparently most of the game's dickery comes from Miyamoto being in a really bad time of his life and basically just wanted people to suffer along with him. I wonder if any other game came out under similar circumstances for another person.

>> No.1497794

>>1497791
Citation? I'd like to hear more.

>> No.1497876

>>1497791
>apparently most of the game's dickery comes from Miyamoto being in a really bad time of his life and basically just wanted people to suffer along with him
Eh? I always heard Miyamoto had no involvement in SMBLL Yes, I do call it the Lost Levels, fuck you weeaboos and it was mostly made by interns.

>> No.1497896

I remember coming up with what I thought was a really awesome idea about how that secret area was a metaphor for life and how you can choose to persevere or you can give up or some bullshit like that but I was stoned at the time and realize now it was completely retarded

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>>1497896
I'm still glad you posted it.

Especially the bit where you realised it was retarded.

>> No.1498085

>>1497761
What heart thieves?

>> No.1498593

>>1498085
If you've ever played Zelda 1, you know those old men who live in caves, and give you items and stuff?

And sometimes they just take your money (which is already kind of a dick move to begin with)?

Well in the second quest, there are old men who force you to choose between losing money, and losing a heart container.

>> No.1498604

>>1498593
Right, I remember them. Yeah, they are the worst. Especially since losing a heart container leaves you at only a single half of heart in health

>> No.1498692

>>1498593
>force you to choose between losing money, and losing a heart container.
so they mugged you?

>> No.1498715

>>1497896

>sometimes life gives you setbacks, and you can choose to let it beat you or persevere

Such a profound idea, man.

>> No.1498764

>>1491874
>Its not a particularly intersting scoring system since its a very linear one.

Implying that an exponential scoring system would be any better. (any system that allows you to expand that system is dull by definition).

>> No.1498861

>>1497896
LOL

>> No.1500581

>throwing yourselves backwards
>AND you'll never reach world 9

What a shitty proposition...

>> No.1500586

>>1494180
>use the pipe.
erry day

>> No.1501637

>>1498715
That is pretty deep. Sounds like one of Arino's segments with the Buddhist monk.