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What were the best/worst console ports of Doom and Duke Nukem?

>> No.1459598

PlayStation DOOM is an interesting one. It has ambient music, some new lighting effects, and overall feels like a darker version of DOOM (I think it shares sound effects with DOOM64 if I am not mistaken). It runs fairly smoothly as well.

>> No.1459603

Interesting that you should bring this up OP - I was just wondering what the general consensus was on Doom 64.

Personally, I loved it. I didn't have a PC growing up but I had played Doom and enjoyed it. When the 64 version came out, it felt like a brilliant port, although i've heard it said that it lacks the atmosphere of the originals.

Any thoughts?

>> No.1459607

>>1459603
Sorry, I say port, I'm not sure if that's technically the correct term as it was a different game with new stages.

>> No.1459606

>>1459603
Doom64 isn't a port--it's a whole new game.

And the atmosphere in Doom 64 is top tier. It's dark, moody, and "scary".

>> No.1459608

>>1459603
>That feel when I saw Doom 64 sitting in this game store shelf for years as a kid but I never bothered picking it up because I of course had already played the Dooms on PC and figured this was just a port

Shame. I only discovered it was an entirely different game since coming to /vr/.

>> No.1459609

>>1459603
For one thing, DOOM 64 really isn't a port at all. Just another DOOM game. I haven't personally played it in some time, just watched videos here and there, but I do remember enjoying it and I still think the graphics are nice.

>> No.1459614

>>1459603
I think it's great. It's doom but with a horror feel to it, wich makes me think of Alien.
I've seen people complain that the map designs aren't as good as Doom's, and I agree, but it's still better than Doom II's maps.

>> No.1459619

>>1459591
>worst

Doom for the Sega 32x. Everything is brown, the music sounds like shit, and they don't have all the maps. And not to mention playing doom with a Sega genesis controler, fuck that.

>> No.1459625

>>1459598
>It runs fairly smoothly as well.
except it doesn't.

>> No.1459627

>>1459606
Yeah my bad, wrong term.

But yeah, I found Doom 64 to be pretty scary in places - the sound effects were excellent and the music as I remember was pretty minimal which added to the tension

>> No.1459636

Saturn Duke Nukem 3D was really, really good. l haven't actually seen the PS1 version but I've read that the Saturn version was best.

Also it had "Death Tank" hidden on it.

>> No.1459640

>>1459619

The 3DO version is worse.

>> No.1459641 [DELETED] 

Reminder that normal people are having sex while you're debating stuff like this.

>> No.1459646

Duke 64 was pretty solid and had new weapons and secondary functions for some. Sadly it was censored (still getting an M rating) and had no music to speak of.

>> No.1459647

>>1459641
epik lelz meng

>> No.1459652

Best: JagDoom, despite the lack of music.
Worst: Tie between 3DO Doom and SNES Doom, though they both have rather nice soundtracks.

Best Duke: I know I'll catch hell for this, but I'm rather fond of Duke 64 despite all the censorship. My friends and I used to have a lot of fun with the multiplayer.
Worst Duke: Game.com, though it's technically not a port. Really, the console versions of Duke are all pretty solid.

>> No.1459659

>>1459641
I'm having sex while I'm debating stuff like this

>> No.1459674

>>1459636
The Saturn Duke 3D port was actually really, really bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBcYxFWc9c
There's a lot of stuff that's been removed or straight up changed just to get the game to work on the Saturn. It's kind of a bummer too, because the same company did the excellent Powerslave/Exhumed port.

>>1459641
I didn't choose thug life, thug life chose me.

>> No.1459675

>>1459614
>Doom II's maps.

Not hard to do. I like Doom 1's maps better.

Except Dead Simple. That's my shit. I get hype as fuck doing that map.

>>1459659
...Kacey?

>> No.1459680

>>1459641
Yeah, with your mom, faggot,

>> No.1459707

>>1459674
D3D used the "Slave Driver" engine, which was made for Powerslave. D3D was excellent on Saturn. Not so much on PS1.

>> No.1459727

>>1459674
Duke Nukem on the Saturn had online play, that's gotta give it a couple of points, right?

>> No.1459731

>>1459707
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPr7RfWGPHw

Watch this comparison video. The PS1 version is pretty much a perfect port of the PC original.
I've got a feeling you're thinking of DN: Time to Kill.

>> No.1459737

>>1459641
This is better than sex m8. This is living the dream.

>> No.1459781

>Best ports of Doom
i'd say that PS1 and N64 ports[i know Doom 64 is a new game but is still Doom] are the best,basically
PS1=N64>Saturn>SNES>Jaguar>32x>3DO
the ports on Xbox doesnt count because it was too late for a proper and playable port
>Best ports of Duke nukem
well,i dont know about Douk

>> No.1459796

Game.com had the worst Duke

>> No.1459835

I quite enjoyed the GBA Doom ports, despite the low resolution.

>> No.1459849

>>1459674
>really, really bad

Hyperbole. Did you ever play it? Of course it wasn't as polished as the PC version. But it was still the best console port and a great game, and the only console port with online play. I used to play the PC version on a P200 but also deathmatched on Saturn via Netlink regularly. Fun stuff.

>> No.1459854

Worst Doom is 32X. Source: me beating it on a 32X when it came out. GBA was pretty good, despite the resolution and blood color.

>> No.1459874

>>1459675
>Dead Simple

>> No.1459896

>>1459674
What? Based on the video you posted, it looks really really good.

>> No.1459964

For Doom:
>Top-Tier
Xbox 360
PlayStation
PS3
>Good Tier
Jaguar
Gameboy Advance
>Low-Tier
SNES
32X
iOS
>Shit-Tier
Saturn
3DO

For Duke:
>Top-Tier
Xbox 360
>Acceptable-Tier
Saturn
PlayStation
>Shit-Tier
Everything Else

>> No.1460005

>>1459964
Listen to this guy.

>> No.1460175

>>1459619
The game itself is playable and at least you can fucking see the game unlike the SNES port which looked like Doomguy dropped his glasses. The worst port is a tie with the 3DO and Saturn because both have really horrible framerates.

>> No.1460209

>>1459674

that looked really good beyond the lack of music

>> No.1460213

>>1459964
you's a busta

>> No.1460235

>>1459964
gameboy advance doom is shit people need to stop saying it was good it doesnt even have spiderdemon or cyberdemon it belongs in the trash

>> No.1460302

>>1460235
Why aren't you complaining about the Jaguar position then too? The same limitations were present in both, but the GBA version plays smoother, and is portable.

>> No.1460414

>>1459646
i personally feel that the music adds to the atmosphere, especially the space levels

>>1459964
While I do believe the x360 one was great. i'm gonna being biased to muh duke64 only coz it was the first one i ever got.

>> No.1460584

>>1459796
This. Was an interesting handheld though...

>> No.1460589

>>1459603
I remember hating it for having sprites instead of 3D models when it came out. After the polygonal revolution I just wanted more 3D games.

I might try it out now, though. I had a blast replaying Doom, Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 recently. The kind of fun I haven't had in years.

>> No.1460590

>>1460589
Really? I thought the sprites looked way better than Quake's models. Problem was that Doom 64 just wasn't as fun as Quake. Or Doom, for that matter. But its not bad at all. Its a cool, original shooter. Not just another port.

>> No.1460593

>>1460590
I was thinking Doom 64 when I said that, though. Duke 64 looks noticeably worse than the PC original, but its fun when played multiplayer. Duke Match.

>> No.1460614

>>1460302
because I have never played it, fuck it too then.

>> No.1460735
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1460735

Every port of Duke3D has its pro&cons.

The N64 version has TONS of differences : new weapons including a super fun grenade launcher, tons of new details and even some new places added to levels, easy multiplayer... but sadly it has no music.

The Saturn version is a recreation of the game from scratch in a new engine. The same engine Lobotomy used for Powerslave/Exhumed. Now, instead of Duke3D's original 2.5D engine, now it's a full 3D engine with dynamic light and it all plays really smooth on Saturn which is amazing and shows what one could do with the Saturn in 3D if he knew what he was doing. The only real problem is due to the Saturn not being able to have triangle polygons, some of the architecture has been simplified and there is no slopes in the game.

The most notable thing about the PSX version is that it has a new episode. However, that episode isn't from very good at all.... I'd say it's the worse port (while N64 is the best).

Now, some people on the Duke Nukem 3D community have ported Duke Nukem 64 on PC using eduke32 and it's amazing, as close as it gets to the console version, and if you want you can even turn on the musics.
Another team has successfully ripped the maps of the new episode of the PSX port and are working on making a playable version (so it's a rip of the map from PSX to PC, not a recreation).

http://www.moddb.com/mods/dn64/downloads

>> No.1460764

>>1459964
Doom on X360 have shit music though.

>> No.1460769

>>1459591
SNES Doom and Genesis Duke3d are by far the worst ports.

The best ports are PSX for Doom and Saturn for Duke.

>> No.1460768

>>1460735
While we're talking PC ports of console ports I know. of PC games, Doom 64 EX is the best way to play Doom 64. You can use mouse aiming and turn off that awful bilinear filtering. It pulls the game data from the N64 ROM, so it's literally the same game in a different port of the engine.

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>>1460769
>There was a Genesis Duke3d?
>watch youtube vid
>mfw

No wonder I never heard of it

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>>1459849
>But it was still the best console port and a great game

From: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPr7RfWGPHw
>...In reality the Saturn is much worse. The graphics and framerate are the only thing that's better. The architecture in the levels is simplified, there are levels cut out, as well as parts of levels. The controls are much worse than the PSX, the game runs at about 80% of the speed of other ports. The PSX has much more, varied music. The Saturn has less interactivity, no rotating sectors, no subways or transports, and very little scripting. The Saturn port is beautiful, but it's bare bones.

Yup - hyperbole. The only redeeming features of Saturn Duke are online and Death Tank.

>> No.1460870

>>1459606
My grandparents and uncle (who was really into scary stuff) watched me play it. It was good.

>> No.1460889

>>1460843
>ROM has a (B) at the end
You know you're in for an unforgettable time

>> No.1460919

>>1459835
I thought they were handled pretty poorly given the slowdown, and that they needed graphics settings to compensate for it.

>>1460889
Might as well go for maximum shittiness with Duke Nukemstein 3D.

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>>1460843
>implying that the game.com version isn't worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V72P9-6S7qM

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>>1460926

I remember seeing that in an earlier thread.
The sound is fucking horrifying.

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>>1460926

>> No.1461202

>>1460735
>DN3D PSX
>Worse version

Why? It's pretty much a pixel-perfect port of the PC version, and has good framerates too.

I never played the Saturn version, maybe it's better, but the PSX version isn't bad at all.

As for the N64 port, I really don't like it - I'd say it's the worse version. The differences from the original really sucked. Most levels didn't have "some new places added", they were heavily redesigned with places added but also many places from the original removed.

>> No.1461237

>>1460926
The way he says "bitchin" is priceless, this thing still looks kinda neat, in it's own strange way, but sound is just "why they did that?" tier, especially that sound of walking, it sounds like Duke's feet beat the ground to submission every step.

>> No.1461241

>>1460919
Doom 2 is way better than Doom 1 on GBA, it runs on the Duke GBA engine iirc

>> No.1462435

Is it just nostalgia goggles or is the SNES DOOM not that bad? Sure, strafing is nigh impossible but with 4 face buttons and a dpad, it controlled fairly well if you weren't trying to speedrun.

>> No.1462446

>>1462435
Its entirely playable. Though, I could never beat it because when I beat act 1, it would make me gameover... Its supposed to just take you to act 2; it did that in PSX version that I did beat...

Problem is; why on Earth would you choose to play Doom on SNES when there are so many options, nearly all of which are better? I used to rent it for SNES because my parents wouldn't let me buy it for PC because they'd heard of it and knew that it was "violent".

>> No.1462454

>>1462446
Console pleb as a kid, didn't really grasp PC gaming outside of Diablo

>> No.1462459

>>1462454
I didn't even have that, my first Diablo was the playstation version. I was so hoping for Diablo 2 to be released on the PS2...
At least local co-op was fun as hell.

>> No.1462462

>>1459608
Yeah, I never knew it was a game of its own until a couple of years ago because they ported Doom 1&2 for everything. They should have really called it Doom 3 or something.

>> No.1462480

>>1462459
I remember that they made a hilariously miscasted Swedish dub on Diablo.

>> No.1462651
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1462651

While not a direct port, I always felt Duke Nukem: Zero Hour was one of the better console Duke games out there.

>> No.1463236

>>1462651
I thought Duke Nukem Zero Hour was terrible. It's slow, clunky, uninspired.

>>1461202
>Why?
Well, first, the new episode is shit. Secondly there are enough differences in the main game to keep me entertainment, DN3D is one of my favourite game, I've played hundreds of usermaps and even make some, so when I want to play a console version of it, I want to experience differences with the PC version, otherwise I'd just play the PC version. The Saturn version is a recreation in a full 3D engine so that's completely different, and the rocket launcher ALONE in DN64 makes it the better version.
Also the PSX version has the worse multiplayer :
Saturn : online
DN64 : easy local with 2 pads
PSX : local requires 2 TVs, 2 Playstation, 2 games, a link cable...

>> No.1463351

>>1459640
3DO version had better music though.

>> No.1463364

>>1462480

Oh man, I still remember them clearly because I used to play with Swedish dubs to piss my little nephew off. I'm even Swedish.

>> No.1463367

>>1463364
*not even Swedish

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1463428

revelent to this thread.

>> No.1463432

>>1463428
Which map is that?

>> No.1463496

>>1463432
You don't play Doom much? It's E2M2. It'd be nice to see a GBA comparison actually, they really gimped E3M6, and E3M1 is completely different.