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1432790 No.1432790 [Reply] [Original]

>the year is 1994
>rent this game
>start screen
>do you pick sonic or knuckles

http://strawpoll.me/1223526

>> No.1432792

>Not continuing your Tails Only save file from Sonic 3
>1994
>ISHYGDDT

>> No.1432807

Sonic, always.

>> No.1432808

>>1432807
>Chuckling

>> No.1432815

Weird, can't fit this cartridge inside my glorious, far superior SNES console.

>> No.1432835
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>>1432815
You're just not trying hard enough.

>> No.1432841

>>1432808
I pick Sonic first for the same reason in the later X games I always choose X first over Zero. The game is SONIC THE HEDGEHOG + Knuckles, it is a Sonic game and he is the hero.

>> No.1432848
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>>1432815
>SNES
>Superior

As if your puny console could handle more than 5 sprites on screen without shitting itself.

>> No.1432861

>not owning snes, genesis and a pc-engine duo

really?

>> No.1432862

Knuckles, if only because it was something new. But really his climbing and gliding make the game easy as hell.

>> No.1432865

>>1432835

do those work ok?

I saw one for NES on SNES and though about buying it since my toaster died.

It's between that and a nes top loader.

>> No.1432873

>>1432848
not only does it handle more than 5 sprites, but it does so with more colors and better sound/music

>> No.1432878

>>1432865
You'd be better off with the toploader, the Nes on Snes has spotty compatibility and sound problems

>> No.1432885

>>1432878

Thanks.

Back on topic, I also preferred Sonic, not really sure why. This thread reminded me I still need to grab a copy of Sonic 3 at some point

>> No.1432893

sonic obv
instashield wrecks the shit out of every boss

>> No.1432908
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>>1432873
More colors, sure. Better sound is up to individual preference. More than 5 sprites, only if we are talking about Final Fantasy style "animation", while the Megadrive was moving a jillion sprites on screen with raster effects.

>> No.1432953

>>1432908
you know what megadrive wasn't doing? rendering 3D polygon effects

>> No.1432960

>>1432953
Because playing games at 12-13FPS was so worth it to use 3D polygons

>> No.1432979

>>1432960
are you implying starfox wasn't great?

>> No.1432984

>>1432979
It may have been great, but it still ran at a piss-poor framerate.

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1432994

Don't mind me, just being 3-D on the Mega Drive here...

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>>1432848
I know right? The Genesis version of Doom is so much-

...oh, wait.

>> No.1433018

>>1433015
The SNES version of Doom needed the Super FX 2 chip made specifically for it though.

>> No.1433028

>>1433018
Whats your point?
If I remember, there were 2 other games that used it too. So it wasn't made specifically for Doom.

>> No.1433036

>>1432984
you're acting like the frame rate got in the way of how good the game was or made it any less playable

>> No.1433046

>>1432994
>Sega Virtual Processor

>> No.1433062

>>1432994
>only 3D game genesis had
>$100 retail

ya blew it sega

>> No.1433067

>>1432979
Like every game running at that framerate, it's shit.

>> No.1433093

>>1433036
>implying low framerates don't make games less playable

>> No.1433127

>>1433093
>>1433067

>confirmed for having never played starfox

>> No.1433129

>>1433127
Played it, framerate killed my enjoyment

>> No.1433130

>>1433129
try not playing it on an emulator then

>> No.1433154

I always picked Knuckles as a kid because I thought she looked cool, she could climb, fly, and she seemed generally more of an interesting character than Sonic. I also thought he was a girl.

>> No.1433159

>>1433130
Since when is a Snes Model 2 an emulator?

>> No.1433161

>>1433015
>posting the absolute worst official Doom port

Yeah, wow, you sure showed him

>> No.1433163

>>1433130
If anything, an emulator, or at least an inaccurate one like ZSNES, would improve the framerate.

>> No.1433167

>>1433154
Ha I thought he was a girl for a while too.

>> No.1433201

>>1433159
if you played the actual game on an actual snes and still are incapable of having fun because "muh framerates", then honestly there's no hope for you

>> No.1433202

>>1433154
>I also thought he was a girl.
Why?

>> No.1433208

>>1433154
I thought Tails was a girl, but why would you think Knuckles was?

>> No.1433226
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1433226

>picking sonic
How lame do you have to be? What kid wasn't fucking pysched to finally get to be Knuckles?

>> No.1433227

>>1433202
>>1433208
I'm not sure, kind of out of gender stereotyping I guess, since he looked slightly pinkish to me and he had long hair. I just kinda presumed it and never had any reason to question it after I saw him that way. I actually thought it was really cool to have a more badass looking female character that could do more shit than Sonic at the time too, but of course the actual female character of the franchise turned out to be useless and bright pink with a skirt and bushy eyelashes.

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>>1433161
>worse

>> No.1433324

>>1433319
32X version played better, just had terrible music

>> No.1433327

>>1433324

It also had shit textures and had the least amount of content.

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1433358

>>1433015
That's not fair, you could play Doom on the Genesis...
...through your 32X

>> No.1433483

>>1432979
>implying panorama cotton isn't superior and better looking than Star Fox, without using fancy chips.

>> No.1433665

>>1433483
>being this delusional

>> No.1433672

>>1433665
>meme arrows

>> No.1433683
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1433683

>>the year is 1994
>I'm not born yet
>just a semen cell in my dad's sack
>all the other semen cells I've ever known have died before accomplishing their objective
>my turn to be ejaculated is next
>fully and honestly expect to die
>impregnate some skank I don't know
>be born 9 months later
I don't think Sonic was a high priority for me at that time OP

>> No.1433686 [DELETED] 

>>1433683
aren't you a tad too young for retro games, kid?

>>>/v/

>> No.1433690
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>>1433683
>semen fertilizing an egg

>> No.1433739

>>1433686
No? Games like Sonic get rereleased so damn much he could be six years old and still be familiar with the genesis games through a phone.

>> No.1433748 [DELETED] 

nakos, becas his nu kerector for sanic gam

>> No.1433786

I picked Knuckles and found the game kind of frustrating. Knuckles is kind of a hard mode since his paths contain a lot of spike pits and jumps over spikes. In almost all the Sonic and Tails levels where his abilities would be an advantage, he got his own miserable tunnel of a separate level.

>> No.1433837
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1433837

Knux. He was the best Sonic character before they ran out of shit to do with him by Sonic Adventure. Wish they kept him as a friendly rivalry instead of replacing him with Original The Character.

>> No.1433846

>>1432953
It could have if someone cared enough. Keep in mind there is stuff missing and the framerate is ass but it's pretty impressive when you account that there are no special chips used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuYFmIEtLLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQaY3-FNOuM

>> No.1433850

>>1433327
The SNES one looked like you were playing as some guy who dropped his glasses.

>> No.1433873

>>1433683
>being born when N64 and PS1 are releasing

ya blew it

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>>1433686
Who cares about their age? What matters is that they are knowledgeable and actually enjoy the games.

>> No.1434089

>>1433690
Underage Ba-

Fuck. I feel old now.

>> No.1434130

>>1432953
What's that? Polygons without any Super Mode 7 FX Howitzamadoos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5HinyVHgM

>> No.1434380

>>1433665
>commenting on a game you haven't actually played

>> No.1434464

>>1433686
I was born in 1995 and have significant nostalgia for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Super Mario Land. I mean, I'll be honest, more of it's for the N64 but that also counts. I am additionally interested in exploring games I wasn't around for back then, but I don't exactly see why that's sometimes treated like a bad thing here, either.

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>>1434464
it seems nostalgia is the main factor for him, I was born in 1988 and replay games from the mid 80's more than the games I grew up with.
Good games are timeless there's no reason why some kid born 4 years can't enjoy them.

>> No.1434475

>>1434474
Let's not forget that alot of people grew up with older games so there's still nostalgia lingering there, my nes used to belong to my bro.

>> No.1434523

>>1433686
>despite his strengths, he gets beaten down into a harder life

>Knuckles is a metaphor for the suffering of black people

>> No.1434546

>>1432790
sonic + tails so my sister can play

>> No.1434636

Twas Knuckles of course.
Jesus those are sweet memories.

>> No.1434671

>>1433130
He's not wrong, you can view youtube videos of what happens when they overclock the SNES and play it. Star Fox was bogged in the framerate department. I'm curious if you've never actually played it given that you didn't realize that.

>> No.1434673

>>1433686
Too be fair, retro gaming is modern gaming to some countries in europe and south america.

>> No.1434690

>>1433028
The point is, you're not comparing the innate abilities of the consoles at this point.

Besides, why argue over Doom ports when you can play the PC version on a potato at this point? Having the best Doom port is like being the tallest dwarf.

>> No.1435090

>>1434671
have you ever actually played it? you guys are acting like the framerate makes the game literally unplayable, which is false

>> No.1435131

Sega does what nintendont you filthy shit grubbing cunt

>> No.1435181

>>1433201
The game runs at like 15FPS. I honestly can't blame him, I can't play some N64 games because if it.

>> No.1435231

>>1435181
>muh framerates
>retro gaming

>> No.1435243

>>1435231
If you're used to twitch gaming then framerate can be a pretty big issue.

And Star Fox happens to belong to a genre heavily dominated by twitch games.

>> No.1435245

>>1435231
Just because it's retro doesn't mean that it's okay to run at a pissy framerate

>> No.1435349

>>1433319
>worse
music wise, yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBQVcf37Xc

>> No.1435363

>>1435245
Imho (not that guy) it's heavily dependant on genre.

Pinball, arcade shmups, fighters and such need good framerate.

Strategy and RPG, maybe not so much.

Dune 2 compared to something like DDP for instance, one would be playable with 5fps while the other... well, I never played DDP, but I've seen videos of it and it seems to require very fluid control/feedback to be even remotely doable.

Still, I find Star Fox easy/playable enough without a high framerate. Maybe a romhack of it would be heavier on the fps demand front.

>> No.1435491

>>1433130

It runs at like 2FPS on an SNES what the fuck

>> No.1435495

>>1433319

32X version was more playable than SNES but was worse in pretty much every other way.

>> No.1435561

>>1435491
have you actually played it?

>> No.1435576

>>1435363
RTS absolutely needs maximum frame rate possible.

>> No.1435597

>>1435561
>>1435491
>>1433130
>>1433129
>>1433127
>>1433067
>>1433093
>>1433036
>>1432979
>>1432960
>>1432953

Star Fox had a shitty fps, but that wasn't in the way for people who wanted to beat it.

It had some faults (Titania, white areas on white background for the first half wtf?) but it was perfectly playable.

If you have complaints other than "shit fps" or praise other than "did you even play it", then please bring it up. Because "Star Fox was great" and "Star Fox had terrible fps" are both well-known factors that everyone worth his/her salt here already knows (or should know, go play it if you haven't).

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>>1435090
The framerate in Starfox was shit. You just gotta learn to live with that. You can keep asking if they played it all you want but it won't change scientific facts.

>> No.1435748

>>1435738
>>1435597
the thing is, on paper it has low framerate, yeah, but when you actually play it the framerate doesn't really matter because the game is still playable and fun. that's why i ask people if they actually play it. there's too many people here and on other boards who just parrot shit they heard from others rather than actually try the games for themselves

>> No.1435837

>>1435748
I understand exactly what you mean, but again (and again, not hating on Star Fox, I love it) I'm just trying to be the middle man here. For people who are accustomed to arcade shmups it has horrible framerate, while at the same time being pretty much the best home console 3D space shooter at the time.

I guess it's a hard case to talk about, arcade players will consider it shit due to the framerate while home console players will consider it a great achievement in home console technology.

Also, I'm:
>>1435597
>>1435363
Just pointing it out to avoid confusion.

>>1435576
Dune 2 was the example I used because it most certainly does NOT need a good frame rate. Later games sure, but not Dune 2. If you want a more fitting example, then maybe turn-based strategy games. I guess I was wrong choosing an RTS as example, since Dune 2 is one of very few RTS's that aren't dependant on microing (compared to RA or Total Anni which need a lot more microing).

>> No.1435852

>>1432815
Thanks for turning this thread about Sonic & Knuckles into another Genesis vs SNES thread. It's not like we already had a billion of these or anything.

>> No.1435881

>>1435837
i think part of the problem is that people compare starfox to arcade shmups too much. honestly it's like apples and oranges, both are great but different

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>>1435738
>scientific facts

>> No.1436325

It's not the framerate that bothers me, it's more draw distance and overall clunkiness. Low framerates aren't that big a deal; tons of games back then had them. I'm pretty sure Road Rash runs at a lower framerate than Starfox and still plays better

Starfox is a fun game despite its shortcomings, but it has way more issues than other games from that time. F-Zero plays like a dream for example.

>> No.1438274

>>1432953
There's standard Genesis games that make use of basic polygons.
There are no SNES games that feature any polygons without the use of the SFX chip to my knowledge.

>> No.1438364

>>1432953
Hard Drivin and a number of flight sims are polygon games on the Genesis that use no addon chips. They are sluggish as hell and aren't very much fun, but that isn't the argument.

Also, Star Fox plays substantially slower on real hardware than on an emulator. Its "playable", and the music is really good, but I could do without it and found it aggravating even in the 90s.

Personally, I could do without ALL these 16bit 3d games. They are all sluggish and ugly as sin.