Shmup Thread X: Rebirth Edition

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Shmup Thread X: Rebirth Edition Anonymous Tue Feb 25 03:04:38 2014 No.1429738 [Reply] [Original]

Lets talk about shooters in here, /vr/!

What are some STG's that use bullet grazing as a mechanic? Here's what I've found so far:

Armed Police Batrider
Radiant Silvergun
Touhou (all)
Vasara 1-2
Raiden Fighters
Psyvariars

Also what are some Toaplan shmups (besides Batsugun) that don't use checkpoints? I freaking hate them, but love Toaplan's style so far.

Also also, HOW DO I STOP SUCKING AT STAGE 4 IN IKARUGA.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:10:13 2014 No.1429843

The sideways portion of Guwange's stage 5 is really fucking me up. Is there any way to make the dancing women stay dead?

Also, never realized how much trying to grind shmups kills your interest in them. The last game I tried to play that way I ended up burning out on within a week but I'm having a much better time with Guwange.

>>1429738
Pay attention to what you're shooting. Suicide bullets from same-color kills are the easiest way to screw up in the section with the overlapping waves of bullets(I'm assuming this is what you're having trouble with).

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 05:59:32 2014 No.1429961 >>1429843 What game before Guwange was that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:09:32 2014 No.1429968 Yui come back ;_;

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:10:02 2014 No.1429972

I recently bought a Saturn and wanted to try out some shmup games, so far Dodonpachi looks really interesting but I was wondering if I should play Donpachi first? To maybe get a better introduction to the genre or whatever, maybe there is another game on Saturn that is better for a beginner. Any suggestions?

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 12:15:26 2014 No.1430305

>>1429738
>What are some STG's that use bullet grazing as a mechanic? Here's what I've found so far:
Shikigami no Shiro

I've been on a break from STGs for a while and just started getting back into them. It's frustrating been so bad at stuff I used to find easy :<

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:58:21 2014 No.1430765

So I've been playing Ikaruga.
I can breeze through stage 1 now. Stage 2 is a bit trickier but easy overall. 3 is a good challenge and requires concentration.

And then stage 4 happened. How the absolute cock is a mortal man supposed to beat this shitload of fuck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:13:51 2014 No.1430798 Does Metal Slug 3 count? I've been playing that with my buddy on steam, and getting raped pretty hard. The run and gun stuff is honestly the hard part, but its not like I'm not dying on the shooter stages too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:36:41 2014 No.1430849 >>1429972 Yes, you should play Donpachi Hongkong, the greatest Cave shmup of all time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:45:41 2014 No.1430879 >>1429972 Darius Gaiden. Just stick to the two upper paths and you shouldn't have it too hard. Couple of weeks of practice and you'll bag that 1CC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:59:29 2014 No.1430915 File: 82 KB, 297x300, 1381625997743.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw verts are superiour to horis

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:01:29 2014 No.1430918 >>1430849 >The Hong Kong version is by far the hardest of the versions. That doesn't sound too good bro. >>1430879 That looks interesting, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:04:29 2014 No.1430925 >>1429738 It´s no TOAPLAN without the checkpoints, Batsu a shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQUkyQgnFGI

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:08:59 2014 No.1430930

Hey /vr/ maybe you can help me. You see, a long time ago I came across this game where you the player are a alien lifeform that comes to earth to consume the life there. Later at the end you become so powerful that you go back to your home world to eat them. The game plays like a shmup, where you are this pinkish thing that can evolve. For the life of me I can't remember what it is called.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:56:25 2014 No.1431019 >>1430765 by breeze do you mean chain?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:03:49 2014 No.1431036 >>1429738 >>>/jp/

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:21:49 2014 No.1431073

>>1429961
It was Dangun Feveron. Game's 2fast4me.

>>1429972
Dodonpachi is a good first choice because it's very straightforward and has a good difficulty curve. You can learn fundamental weaving pretty easily without getting fucked over by too many memory-intensive patterns. It's a very easy game to play fresh into the genre even if it's pretty difficult to actually 1cc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:24:19 2014 No.1431075 >>1429843 Stomp them. Before they get up, you move on them and squish them for some coins.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:26:19 2014 No.1431078

>>1430765
At the part with overlapping lines of black/white bullets, what you want to do is pick a color and follow that color from one end of the screen to the other. When you run out of room, switch colors and ride the other color back to the other side of the screen. Repeat this pattern and be careful not to fuck yourself over with suicide bullets.

The laser section is done the same way.

For the boss, try to quickly push in one of his weakpoints asap so you can create a bit of breathing room away from the laser walls. This will make it easier to move around in the cramped space.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:27:19 2014 No.1431082 >>1430930 It's Chimera Beast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:27:19 2014 No.1431085 >>1431075 Thanks. Hopefully I'll be able to reach that evil stage 5 boss consistently now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:31:49 2014 No.1431092 File: 96 KB, 2120x352, channels4_banner_hd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/user/STGWeekly This is a really good youtube channel i suggest you subscribe if you like shmups. On twitch too. They have a show every sunday

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:34:19 2014 No.1431098 >>1430798 This thread is mostly about scrolling shmups like Gradius, Raiden and such so you might not find much help with run n gun games. MSlug3 discussion should be pretty easy to find elsewhere on /vr/ though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:37:49 2014 No.1431104 are there any good shmups on SNES that aren't UN squadron or phalanx?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:48:49 2014 No.1431130 >>1431104 Axelay, Raiden Trad, Thunder Spirits (not as good as Genesis, but still good).

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:51:49 2014 No.1431139 >>1431130 thanks m8

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:52:19 2014 No.1431140 >>1431104 Super Aleste/Space Megaforce, compile da bess

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 20:28:57 2014 No.1431237 Cleared Elemental Master at the weekend. Pretty easy when you've learned the boss patterns. Gonna revisit it on higher difficulty in future but for now, I think I'll move on to Gynoug

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 20:42:57 2014 No.1431264 >>1431104 R-Type III, Bio Metal, Aero Fighters, Darius Force and Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 20:57:58 2014 No.1431293 >>1431036 >>>/hm/

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 21:01:57 2014 No.1431306 >>1431104 Gradius III is pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 22:02:07 2014 No.1431452 >>1431092 sunday's episode was horrible. they had some fat landwhale sucking CAVE's dick (for Deathsmiles, of all games) and saying how their games were too deep for most westerners to enjoy. fuck that stream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 01:21:17 2014 No.1431898 >>1431104 Darius Twin&Force[US version is known as Supernova] R-Type 3 and Super R-type Bio-Metal[get JP,US version has ridiculous music Space Megaforce Gradius 3 Aero Fighters

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 02:00:21 2014 No.1431956 >>1431104 not really, snes was pretty shit for shmups compared to its father, the NES. genesis wasn't much better but at least it had musha and elemental master and its shmups didn't run at horrendous fps

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 02:34:26 2014 No.1432010 >>1431956 you're a bit late there m8

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 03:29:05 2014 No.1432078 What is /vr/'s favorite shmup series?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 03:46:35 2014 No.1432092 What are the best SNES and NES shmups for a newcomer to the genre?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 04:44:05 2014 No.1432151 >>1432092 NES: Gun-Nac - you get 20+ (!!) bombs in a normal run SNES: Sonic Wings

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:13:17 2014 No.1432312 >>1432151 you get 40+ bombs in Touhou Subterranean Animism and people STILL claim it's 2hard And there's Banshiryuu Extra...

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:53:17 2014 No.1432349 >>1431452 lol, I haven't watch it yet, but now I have to

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 12:16:08 2014 No.1432572 How long do I have to train until I am this gud? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5jeXQonsV4

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 12:44:23 2014 No.1432626 File: 63 KB, 640x480, HNI_0042.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Post some tate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 13:12:14 2014 No.1432687 >>1431452 Come to think of it, they have a way disproportionate amount of CAVE games on that show period. They need to cut out the fucking dicksucking in general.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 15:49:41 2014 No.1433006 >>1432572 I tried Double Play last night. Beat the first chapter but no way could I play the rest of the game like that...

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 19:58:04 2014 No.1433532

>>1432687
That's bullshit. After Guwange they went for like 21 episodes without touching a single Cave game. Not to mention that that's actually pretty tough to do considering that Cave games make up a large percentage of shmups where there's actually advanced enough play to give them something interesting to talk about for the episode.

I wish there were more Psikyo, though.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 21:03:35 2014 No.1433705

>>1433532
And now they're back to the dicksucking.

>considering that Cave games make up a large percentage of shmups where there's actually advanced enough play to give them something interesting to talk about for the episode.
Speaking of dicksucking...

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:25:10 2014 No.1434030

>>1433705
It's true, though. There really isn't much to talk about with many shmups(especially pre-90s games) and Cave's put out a fuckton of games which have all had decently complex systems to master beyond simply 1ccing. Even their worse post-2002 era games have something to talk about when it comes to playing beyond survival which is what stgweekly is clearly about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:40:59 2014 No.1434064 Thank god CAVE is dead. Now maybe other companies more deserving of praise will rise up, like Triangle Service and Qute Co.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:55:17 2014 No.1434101 Were there any good shmups on the Amiga? Preferably with kickass music?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 00:00:47 2014 No.1434121 >>1434101 R-type

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 00:33:49 2014 No.1434169 >>1434121 is it as good as the tg-16 version?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 05:02:12 2014 No.1434552 >>1433532 Dimahoo is more complex than anything CAVE has done.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 15:24:32 2014 No.1435424 What's wrong with playing SHMUPS with an analog stick? They aren't that different from arcade sticks, are they?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 15:28:03 2014 No.1435428 >>1435424 >They aren't that different from arcade sticks, are they? Have you ever tried one? Arcade sticks are nothing like analog sticks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 15:54:22 2014 No.1435475 >>1431130 >>1431140 >>1431264 >>1431306 >>1431898 >>1431956 >absolutely no mention of any of the Parodius series

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 21:20:09 2014 No.1436053 >>1435475 the only good console parodius game was the one for saturn/psx, with the announcer and all the characters everything else is better on arcade

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 01:44:03 2014 No.1436489 i 1cc'd ikaruga tonight on easy mode. why do people say this game is so difficult again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 01:58:33 2014 No.1436507 Clean your fucking room.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 03:10:09 2014 No.1436582 >>1436489 Because they have never played any other shmup.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 03:21:09 2014 No.1436590 >>1436489 >Easy mode >Hurr why people say dis is difficult Come on now. Not that Ikaruga is all that difficult anyway, but still.

Anonymous Fri Feb 28 03:39:39 2014 No.1436604

>>1435424

Analog sticks give you finer-grained control over your movement as you can control your exact direction and speed.

Or at least they would if the game was designed for analog control.

Instead most arcade ports or titles played through emulators have to translate analog above certain thresholds to an 8-way digital signal, resulting in a huge dead zone and very slow engagement before your throw of the stick starts your player moving. This is fatal in games that require quick twitchy movement to evade things.

Analog sticks do work okay for titles that use multi-position digital optical sticks, like Blaster. And analog titles like Thunder Blade, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 03:53:39 2014 No.1436617 >>1436604 Do arcade sticks not have a deadzone then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 06:31:33 2014 No.1436804 >>1429738 Battle Bakraid has some bullet grazing and Castle Shikigami games too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 07:14:35 2014 No.1436846 What about Steel Saviour ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvKnWap076c

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 07:20:05 2014 No.1436853 >>1436846 That looks clunky as fuck.

Anonymous Fri Feb 28 07:31:35 2014 No.1436858

>>1430915

I don't know if I agree with this exactly but if I were to name my top 3 or even 5 shmups I think they'd all be verts. That said, I love the Thunder Force, Darius and R-Type series. Even a game like Lords of Thunder, which I find piss easy, is very enjoyable to me, but that game has a GOAT soundtrack so that might be part of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 07:33:05 2014 No.1436861 >>1432626 Anyone else get gaussing problems when doing this? I turn my PVM when it's off and give it about 5 minutes before turning it on but still every now and then it'll become gaussed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 07:37:36 2014 No.1436863 >>1436861 Nope, I've never had problems when turning my tv vertically. And it only needs a couple of seconds before turning on.

Anonymous Fri Feb 28 07:39:05 2014 No.1436868

>>1436863

See now I thought I was being excessive with 5 minutes. What really confuses me is that my PVM degausses when turned on as well as having a dedicated degauss button, which are features I think most PVMs have. I'm not overly worried because it only happens about once out of every 20 times and is quickly resolved but still.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 08:14:05 2014 No.1436885 Did anyone else ever play Hellfire on the Mega Drive? Fantastic game, recently got a new boxed copy. One of my favourites.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 08:19:35 2014 No.1436887 >>1436885 It's ok, not Toaplans best.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 17:28:19 2014 No.1437569 >>1436885 Check out Steel Empire for the Genesis as well, it's a breddy great MD hori that doesn't get mentioned often.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 28 17:41:40 2014 No.1437605 >>1434169 it's pretty damn close to the arcade version it's one of the more precise ports of r-type strangely

Anonymous Fri Feb 28 18:42:29 2014 No.1437698

>>1434552
I never said they made the most complex or deep games ever, faggot. It's not a competition. I'm just saying that they've made a lot of games and they all happen to be at least interesting enough to be episode fodder. Not to mention that they're very popular and newer shmup players who aren't as familiar with other games would probably want to see advanced play in them the most(do veterans really need a show telling them how to play a shmup well?).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 03:38:33 2014 No.1438585 How do I get scanlines in Shmupmame 4.0?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 03:50:03 2014 No.1438596 >>1438585 >using shitmupmame >wanting scanlines in the first place

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 06:31:54 2014 No.1438767 >>1434552 Mushi manic is way more complex

Anonymous Sat Mar 1 13:35:49 2014 No.1439250

Alright guys, I need your advice

I have some Wii points to use, and I want to know if there are some knowledgable people here about the Virtual Console PAL library.

I'm kinda news when it comes to shmups, but I don't mind the difficulty. What I'd like are the best games around here.

I've done some search and I think so far, I have :
Xevious on NES.
R-Type, Galaga 90', Lords of Thunder/Gate of Thunder, Gradius 2, Twinbee on PC Engine.
1942 on Arcade.

Am I doing good ? Bad ?
And on a side note, I'm interested in Recca from the 3DS VC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 13:37:19 2014 No.1439253 >>1439250 My favorite SHUMPs on the virtual console are the Soldier series on Turbografx, namely Super Star Soldier, Soldier Blade and Final Soldier.

Anonymous Sat Mar 1 13:40:19 2014 No.1439259

>>1439253
Right, I'm gonna check them, and I also forgot to include on my list here >>1439250
Star Parodius for PC Engine.
It seems like it was THE shumps machine, I hope there were the Aerofighters from Neo Geo in it but oh well, this list is already long enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 15:50:33 2014 No.1439520 >>1438596 what, shmupmame isn't the favoured way of getting lag free anymore? what are people using?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 18:43:42 2014 No.1439812 >>1439250 Is Zanac on VC? If so, get that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 18:52:12 2014 No.1439828 File: 71 KB, 295x286, 1342041855102.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1439812 Nope, not on the PAL VC. Guess I'll have to emulate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 18:56:42 2014 No.1439836 File: 2.78 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_20121024_152002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1432626 I'm a scrub and I play for fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 19:24:31 2014 No.1439904 >>1439836 Welcome to /vr/, where we're all bad and have shit taste in old shooters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 19:56:02 2014 No.1439952 >>1439828 While you're emulating, play Papillon for NES. It's a shmup about playing as a butterfly in space with hentay cutscenes in between the levels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 22:48:09 2014 No.1440276 >>1439836 is that stick actually screwed on to cardboard? what the hell

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 1 22:52:15 2014 No.1440283 >>1436885 Its amazing. Unfortunately the music plays in slow-mo on all my Genesis units. It only plays at normal speed on emulator. I assume its only fully compatible with an original model Genesis, which I don't have.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 00:26:45 2014 No.1440435 >>1439520 Mameplus

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 00:28:45 2014 No.1440437 >>1439836 Dragon Blaze is god tier game 10/10

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 01:29:09 2014 No.1440551 >>1440437 Except when played for score, because you have to keep worrying about managing your dragon's placement and to milk with its shot timing...

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 04:12:59 2014 No.1440718 any good free shmups to try on PC (that I can download immediately preferably) to try out to see if i like the genre?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 04:30:29 2014 No.1440734 >>1440718 crimson clover

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 04:41:29 2014 No.1440747 >>1440718 vertical, horizontal, new, old, console, pc, arcade, hard, easy, colorful, bullet hell, classic, gimmick, indie and so on? you probably have an idea of what kind of game you want to play and it makes recommendations alot easier.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 04:41:59 2014 No.1440748 >>1440718 all of them use emulators

Anonymous Sun Mar 2 05:43:52 2014 No.1440781

>>1440747
I'm more interested in vertical, new or old.

Don't mind if it's console pc or arcade. Prefer PC.

Difficulty don't mind. would prefer something mid range,

colorful is nice, and bullet hell seems cool.

Just some general recommendations to get me started would be cool

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 07:28:27 2014 No.1440860 >>1440718 Try Hydorah and Blue Wish Resurrection +

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 13:16:15 2014 No.1441335 >>1440718 Yes, but only one of them (Cho Ren Sha 68K) is Retro.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 13:18:15 2014 No.1441336 >>1440734 That's commercial idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 15:22:42 2014 No.1441580 >>1440781 Sounds like you want Toho

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 15:27:42 2014 No.1441591 >>1441580 see >>1441336

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 2 15:34:42 2014 No.1441608 >>1441591 >PC >not pirating this stuff Who's the idiot.

Anonymous Sun Mar 2 23:10:00 2014 No.1442712

>>1440781
free pc shmups that aren't total shit:
Cho Ren Sha 68k
Blue Wish Resurrection+
Hydorah

Almost every notable shmup ever made is available through various emulators, though. Especially MAME.

Honestly you have access to pretty much the entire genre as long as you look around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 3 02:58:09 2014 No.1443121 >>1440781 tyrian2k, its foss now

Anonymous Mon Mar 3 08:22:01 2014 No.1443442

Hey guys, I'm working on a modern bullethell standoff defense that can run at any resolution up to 4k and can run at 60fps... thoughts? inputs? anything you guys would like to see? eventually will release beta for free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SF6oSqUO1M
if anyone wants a download i could probably patch something up for you, it currently has sound and more than 1 enemy type, although they enemies are being fleshed out currently....

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 3 08:34:01 2014 No.1443450 >>1443442 Ugh, take your twin stick garbage and leave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 3 08:38:02 2014 No.1443453 >>1443450 :C Can't we get along? Don't worry, I'll enable a special mode just for you where you can only use one joystick. I'm not trying to make it 100% oldschool?

Anonymous Mon Mar 3 10:19:24 2014 No.1443545
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Any tips on how to rotate my monitor?

The monitor by itself can't be rotated, I put it on it's side with a bottle between it's back and the wall to act as a stand.

inb4 just get new monitah

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 3 11:58:24 2014 No.1443674 >>1443545 Get a crt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 3 16:39:22 2014 No.1444227 >>1442712 Why BWR+ it was a huge step back from the original

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:36:29 2014 No.1447195

Ketsui probably has the least survival-friendly scoring system around. I can consistently get both extends and the 1UPs on stages 3 and 5 but it almost doesn't matter because going for them ends up costing me those lives anyway.

I kind of miss shitty bullet conversion mechanics now, at least there I was encouraged to score since it helped me survive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:34:46 2014 No.1447271 >>1443442 It's too reminiscent of Fraxy, sorry. It doesn't also get the same feel or straightforwardnes you get from Bosconian or Zugya either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 01:58:37 2014 No.1447401 >>1447195 Yeah, being forced to shotgun everything for better score was what I disliked about Ketsui, along with the shot-types. Would rather just play DOJ for dem glorious 1K+ chaining routes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 06:59:11 2014 No.1447713 >>1447195 That's what I love about Ketsui, it's so aggressive and keeps you on your toes all the time.

Anonymous Thu Mar 6 04:33:48 2014 No.1449703
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>>1447271
I do like the detail of the sprites, and yeah the grid background has been done 100 times before. But really most elements of shmups have been done.

So what would set my game apart?

Detail and resolution (Most shmups are fixed to low res..Resolutions of 1080p+ ... well I can't think of any that I know of, feel free to educate me!

Speed, 60fps, once again most are limited in speed and framerate. Aside from the more modern pc titles like Beat hazard?

Built for more modern controllers (Built in support for xbox 360 controller + full rumble feedback)

My design goal is for a very "tight" and highly precise shooter, where you have even control over the rate at which you fire bullets (Xbox 360's triggers act as throttles for shooting both left/right bullets from ship. With of course the vibration increasing + rate. I want there to be a high ceiling for skill. The ship can even speed up slow down as your left joystick is used to control speed as well as direction.

I want to ofter a visually striking and nuanced graphic aesthetic... with a "vector" feel.

I've also been producing a soundtrack for the game, which is going to consist of a dubstep / ambient / experimental / organic type feel.

I dunno. The game is in EARLY alpha...The youtube video looks like shit compared to how it looks in game. here are some screenies.

I am of course kinda shy about releasing something so unfinished and terribly alpha but if there is some interest I might, thoughts c&c welcome. But hey I have feelings too :P

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 6 04:37:47 2014 No.1449709 File: 1.24 MB, 1920x1200, UncompressedEFA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1449703 Just realized how terrible the JPG compression turned out... oh well. This is what it looks more like.

Anonymous Thu Mar 6 04:51:24 2014 No.1449726

>>1449703
>Speed, 60fps, once again most are limited in speed and framerate.
I'd love to see a shmup running at high fixed framerate. 720fps would be ideal, because you can get all monitor refresh rates currently on the market (60Hz, 120Hz, 144Hz) with integer frameskip. Support for 240Hz too if it's ever released. You also have the option of no frameskip + no vsync for even better latency if you don't mind tearing. High resolution isn't needed, eg. DoDonPachi still looks great and any modern PC can render that at 720fps no problem.

Anonymous Thu Mar 6 10:40:00 2014 No.1450087
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>>1449726
Yeah.. I would definitely encourage users to have a really good cpu/gpu for the 240hz, With 1500 objects on screen at once each with own code.

What do you guys think of the survival standoff waves/bosses?

fixed location like geometry wars (inb4 ew) lol. I actually liked geometry wars. I'm trying to actually give an object to defend, IE , the planet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 6 10:54:30 2014 No.1450107 >>1450087 >I'm trying to actually give an object to defend, IE , the planet. Giant floating city that turns into a robot. >boss Space Godzilla/giant ants

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 6 16:54:23 2014 No.1450828 >>1444227 This. You can't even edit the sidebar graphics so you can look at kawaii animu girls while playing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 6 16:57:52 2014 No.1450834 >>1438767 Explain Pink Sweets and MMP to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 6 17:37:52 2014 No.1450905 >>1441608 You.

>>	saage Thu Mar 6 17:43:42 2014 No.1450910 File: 385 KB, 350x294, 1359959759377.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1450905 >replying to rhetorical questions Nope, pretty sure you're just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 7 22:59:25 2014 No.1453637 i've been playing gradius lately, im finally gettin gud. how many speed upgrades do you guys usually get in the first game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 00:18:25 2014 No.1453758 >>1453637 It varies depending on the game but it's mostly 2-3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 07:00:01 2014 No.1454341 File: 143 KB, 772x1080, GunNail_-_1993_-_NMK_Co._Ltd..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Quick question: Does anyone have a list of games that Shmupmame can emulate that regular Mame and Final Burn can't?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 07:06:31 2014 No.1454347 File: 329 KB, 850x1186, flyer1big.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1454341 Also >that feel when Galaxy Force 2 is more nausea inducing than After Burner, even without the cabinet

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sat Mar 8 07:19:01 2014 No.1454362 >DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou >2012 Why have I just found out this exists? Is it any good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 07:38:31 2014 No.1454374 >>1454347 Anyone tried the 3D classics one on 3DS ?

Anonymous Sat Mar 8 08:05:01 2014 No.1454391

>>1454362
2hard4me
I found it to be really fucking hard, even for a Cave game. But more than anything also forgettable which kinda pushed me away from putting tons of hours into it.
Still a really solid release on 360, and I'm sure there are people out there that love it (and the anime girls).

Anonymous Sat Mar 8 08:32:01 2014 No.1454415

>>1454391
>and the anime girls
Never really understood why shooters (let alone bullet hell ones) had to resort to lolibait in order to sell their products. It's really pandering to the lowest common denominator

Now granted there are some older Shmups with young girls in them, but they're not as sexually exploited

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 09:01:02 2014 No.1454446 Are there any good shmups with RPG elements?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 09:04:31 2014 No.1454450 >>1454415 they gotta do what they gotta do to stay afloat i guess...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 09:17:32 2014 No.1454471 >>1454415 Because it looks nice.

Anonymous Sat Mar 8 09:55:01 2014 No.1454537

>>1454362
I didn't like it but Donpachi's the only one I like in the series, so if you like the other games you'll probably like this. I still think it's one of the weaker ones though.

>>1454415
It's no different to when they were churning out constant mecha themed games, it's just what's popular at the time.
>but they're not as sexually exploited
none of the new ones are really, it's just the creepy fans drawing porn for everything.
Overly repressed people just like to cry about anything cute, the close mindedness of people is kinda pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 10:17:31 2014 No.1454569 >>1454374 I haven't but I've heard it's fantastic

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 10:20:01 2014 No.1454575 >>1454446 >levelup Mars Matrix Radiant Silvergun Psyvariar >Moral Dilemmas Gunbird 2 Homura Sol Divide >shops U.N. Squadron Gun.Smoke Gun-Nac Fantasy Zone Magical Chase

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 14:12:51 2014 No.1454910 >>1454446 Karous has the best integration of RPG level-up mechanics in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 8 18:14:58 2014 No.1455323 File: 17 KB, 384x224, 2758_1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Surprised at how decent a shooter Chou-Jikuu Yousai Macross II is. But that's Banpresto for you I suppose

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 09:55:50 2014 No.1456508 File: 14 KB, 212x213, Simons.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are some good non-cave bullet hell games for mame? Not that I dislike Cave, I have played all of their games already.

Anonymous Sun Mar 9 10:28:50 2014 No.1456537

>>1454446

Batsugun has a level up system that makes your weapons more powerful and eventually cover a huge amount of screenspace. Also if you're playing the special version every time you level up after hitting max level you get a shield that basically acts like a 1up.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sun Mar 9 10:43:20 2014 No.1456557 I really like darius gaiden but playing horizontal shooters is much more difficult to me for whatever reason , i'm getting my shit slapped where i really shouldn't be

Anonymous Sun Mar 9 10:55:20 2014 No.1456565

>>1456508

Armed Police Batrider
Battle Garegga
Battle Bakraid
(Be sure to research the ranking system in the 3 previous games, otherwise the game will literally be impossible to 1CC)
Batsugun (considered by many to be the first bullet hell game)
Cyvern
Dimahoo
GigaWing
Mars Matrix
Progear
Vasara 1 and 2

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 10:59:50 2014 No.1456574 >>1432078 I can't speak for /vr/ but my most favorite Shoot ’em up/STG/whatever floats your boat is Tyrian 2000. It's also one of those games that have aged exceptionally well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 11:05:50 2014 No.1456583 >>1440860 There are many more but BWR+ is god-tier stuff in terms of fluent danmaku gameplay and designed with love. Hibatiyoke is fucking awesome if you want to learn on how to play STGs. Look that game up if you are new to it.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sun Mar 9 11:17:50 2014 No.1456603 >>1456565 >Battle Garegga The little bullets keep catching me out when I play this, I'm used to bright pink/blue Cave style ones

>>	script writer kibe Sun Mar 9 11:32:21 2014 No.1456623 File: 127 KB, 850x536, playstation-parodius-02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1432078 Probably Twinbee or Parodius I'm also rather partial to Fantasy Zone, but I wouldn't call it my absolute favorite

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 11:36:05 2014 No.1456629 >>1456603 That's for everyone, not just Cave fans. Fuck that game for that. There was supposedly a fixed version but I haven't seen it, and I don't know what exactly it fixed.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sun Mar 9 11:42:35 2014 No.1456641 >>1456629 Yeah I just read the HardcoreGaming101 article on it, apparently it changed the darker bullets into bright circles

>>	script writer kibe Sun Mar 9 11:46:34 2014 No.1456647 >>1456508 >Pulstar >Blazing Star >Twinkle Star Sprites >Chou-Jikuu Yousai Macross II >1944- The Loop Master >Cotton >Prehistoric Isle 2 >Viewpoint

Anonymous Sun Mar 9 14:04:02 2014 No.1456913

>>1456557
Bullets are easier to dodge in vert shooters because you see the bullets as coming "toward" you which makes it easier to perceive the best way to dodge.

Also hori shooters tend to have more unforgiving hitboxes and occasionally some pretty nasty bullet speeds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 15:58:20 2014 No.1457116 >>1456603 There's a shitty casual version that changes the bullets to red balls. But only plebs play that.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sun Mar 9 16:01:50 2014 No.1457119 >>1457116 Should I play the original wearing some really dark sunglasses to prove my gaming credentials?

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sun Mar 9 16:03:21 2014 No.1457121 >>1456913 Yeah it really does make a difference when you're looking for gaps in bullet patterns

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 16:03:50 2014 No.1457124 >>1457119 No, just learn to look and learn the hitboxes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 22:26:40 2014 No.1458001 >>1429738 Ah!!! whats that game! Bottom left of your Picture you uploaded. What is it!? i have been trying to figure that out for forever!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 22:28:10 2014 No.1458002 DoDonPachi Daioujou

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 23:29:01 2014 No.1458083 >>1430879 >Just stick to the two upper paths and you shouldn't have it too hard. Whoa what? I think you mean the second from the top line of zones. ABDGKPZ' is probably the hardest path in the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 23:34:01 2014 No.1458091 >>1440734 >>1440860 >>1447195 >>1447401 >>1447713 >>1443442 >>1447271 >>1438767 >>1450834 >>1454362 >>1456583 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 23:50:31 2014 No.1458129 >>1458091 I've never liked these threads being here, as if to say the shootem doesn't have a present or future.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 9 23:53:01 2014 No.1458138 >>1458129 In /v/ the threads die almost immediately and in /vg/ no one posts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 10 00:10:32 2014 No.1458174 >>1458129 I agree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 10 00:21:03 2014 No.1458205 >>1458138 And /jp/ only talks about new 2hu games, and very rarely Cave. >>1458129 Are you implying they do?

Anonymous Mon Mar 10 06:00:10 2014 No.1458548

>>1458129
They really don't for 99.9% of people outside of japan. Arcade gaming and all the genres that are heavily influenced by arcade game design are pretty much dead and irrelevant to the majority of video game enthusiasts.

It's a very hardcore niche now.

Anonymous Mon Mar 10 13:47:52 2014 No.1459089

>>1458205
/jp/ mostly talks about 2hoos but you can bring up any other game and someone will respond. In /v/ the threads either die immediately or everyone gets into a huge fight over aesthetics until the bump limit. Then again /v/ is no different from any popular games site so

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Mon Mar 10 18:21:55 2014 No.1459593 File: 12 KB, 320x224, truxton2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who /truxton/ here? I think the checkpoint system has its perks, like you dont feel so bad about credit feeding

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 10 18:51:25 2014 No.1459660 >>1459593 Toaplan is boss. I just beat Fireshark, and I'm occasionally playing some Hellfire. Which is hard as hell. But Truxton is even harder.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Mon Mar 10 19:00:55 2014 No.1459678 >>1459660 I've only really tried Toaplans stuff in the last couple days (except Batsu) I usually play Cave shmups. The big hitboxes take some getting used to

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Mon Mar 10 19:23:25 2014 No.1459730 >>1459660 >Hellfire I like how you can choose which direction to shoot, never seen anything like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 10 19:30:06 2014 No.1459751 File: 6 KB, 256x224, Title2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1459730 >I like how you can choose which direction to shoot Try this on the Genesis.

Anonymous Tue Mar 11 06:07:54 2014 No.1460808

How do I git gud, /vr/?

I want to get into shmups, I've just started playing Strikers 1945 II on the PS1, and boy, do I suck at it hard.

Is this a good game for beginners? Should I take the difficulty down and raise it as I progress?

I'm mainly intreted in verts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 07:32:48 2014 No.1460885 Not sure if Shmup, but just finished the very solid U.N. Squadron and making my way through Einhander, that diamond in the rough.

Anonymous Tue Mar 11 10:15:53 2014 No.1461023

>>1460808
Practice, I think. I'm honestly pretty shitty at shmups, but I've noticed some improvement by making mental notes of problem areas and using my practice time to the fullest.

It's a really minor improvement, but I went from being unable to chain 1-2 to the second tank, to being able to chain slightly past the midboss in the past month alone. I can now usually nmnb the first loop up until 1-5, whereas I'd die and restart during the bullet cancelling part in 1-3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 13:39:24 2014 No.1461336 >>1459730 Personally, I feel Hellfire is the hardest of the Toaplan Genesis games. Also, Grindstormer is totally worth picking up for $30-$45.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 13:48:24 2014 No.1461354 >>1461336 Grindstormer is really good, almost as good as Dogyuun.

Anonymous Tue Mar 11 19:34:56 2014 No.1462232
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>>1461336
>>1461354
Grindstormer / V-V is shit on the Genesis though.
Small, capped screen and really annoying sound effects.
Grab the rom for MAME

Is Radiant Silvergun emulatable? Does it require a powerful rig?

>>1454446
There's also The Guardian Legend and Sigma Star Saga (GBA).
SSS is pretty shit though, but check it out if you're curious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 22:12:51 2014 No.1462571 >>1461354 V-V is my favorite kusoge. >>1462232 Gotta use SSF for it but it werks great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 22:18:07 2014 No.1462593 >>1462571 >Vertically scrolling Gradius >Earliest known danmaku game >Bad The only shit here is your tastes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 22:49:37 2014 No.1462652 >>1462593 Even Ikeda says it's shit. Spheal with it brah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 22:50:37 2014 No.1462656 >>1462652 He would know.

Anonymous Tue Mar 11 23:32:10 2014 No.1462729

>>1462652

Since you don't have a source to back up that claim, you're clearly making up lies to support your worthless opinion. Besides, it's not like Cave has ever done anything spectacularly groundbreaking so why hold anything they say with any weight?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 23:35:07 2014 No.1462735 >>1462729 >It's not like Cave has ever done anything spectacularly groundbreaking so why hold anything they say with any weight? Ketsui, Ibara

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 11 23:42:37 2014 No.1462751 >>1462735 Omega Fighter Special and Battle Garegga have already used those mechanics before those two games. Face it, Cave games are nothing but lazy rehashes, much like Touhou games are.

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:02:09 2014 No.1463112

/vr/, a few years ago I downloaded an emulator pack of about 50 or so shmups. My old HDD died, and I have been unable to find this again. Google searches just lead me to MAME, which is tedious and not what I was using. I forgot the name, but it was 80's and 90's centric with games like Twinkle Star Sprites and Mars Matrix. I opened up the .exe and it would take me to a list of available games. Any help?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:10:38 2014 No.1463117 >>1462735 lol, no At least say Dodonpachi or something, but even that was highly derivative.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:10:38 2014 No.1463119 Ikaruga makes me angry, but why is it so addictive? Once I got the hang of it I literally can't stop playing, I think the chaining is fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:11:38 2014 No.1463124 >>1463117 But Dodonpachi isn't that good game when you compare it to Ketsui or Ibara. DOJ on the other hand is a master piece.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:12:09 2014 No.1463126 >>1463124 I certainly hope you mean Ibara Kuro Black Label

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:14:08 2014 No.1463130

>>1463112
You're looking for the shmupmame pack that was floating around here sometime ago? It's not really up to date anymore, just download the lastest mame plus here: http://www.systempixel.fr/cave_sh-3/ and then get the lastest rom files from somewhere like emuparadise or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:15:38 2014 No.1463131 >>1463124 I thought we were talking about groundbreaking games here. Ketsui and every Dodonpachi already suck. Haven't played Ibara but presumable is has that typical Yagawa depth going for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:16:38 2014 No.1463134 >>1463126 Ibara Kuro is fantastic, but I still like the original more. Kuro feels more like IKD game rather than YGW.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:20:38 2014 No.1463136 File: 2.52 MB, 2487x3494, Ibara_Flyer_Back.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463134 I can't even play the original Ibara any more. It just feels completely stripped down compared to black label.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:22:08 2014 No.1463142 >>1463136 Bombing instead of suiciding to lower the rank is stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:26:38 2014 No.1463146 File: 126 KB, 561x370, The More You Know.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ketsui and Ibara are not /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:29:39 2014 No.1463148 >>1463146 Like there would be any other board that would talk about them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:33:38 2014 No.1463151 >>1463148 Why yes, I would talk about them on /v/. You have but only to make a thread. Shoving off all shmup discussion to /vr/ is a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 03:34:39 2014 No.1463153 >>1463148 /jp/ does

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 04:32:30 2014 No.1463206

>>1462729
>Since you don't have a source to back up that claim
In the interview with Yagawa and Ikeda, Yagawa says he has a V-V cabinet he can go back to and Ikeda replies, "Please don't play that one" and laughs, implying he has a dislike for it.

Checkmate da.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 08:43:50 2014 No.1463395 >>1461336 Tatsujin Ou is definitely the hardest Toaplan game by a large margin >>1463146 STGs are /vr/ >>1463153 /jp/ only plays 2hu & other doujins on rare occasions

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 08:45:20 2014 No.1463403 >>1463146 STGs are /vr/ >>1463153 /jp/ only plays 2hu & other doujins on rare occasions

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 09:43:26 2014 No.1463465 >>1463403 Retro scrolling shooters (STGs is a retarded initialism you weeaboo fuck) are retro. Non-retro scrolling shooters are not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 11:08:11 2014 No.1463573 >>1463465 >you weeaboo fuck They're English words. >Non-retro scrolling shooters are not. With few exception of things like Taito Type X, they're using retro hardware.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 11:41:11 2014 No.1463623 >>1463130 Was then original file taken down due to it being out of date? I didn't get it from /vr/

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 11:52:11 2014 No.1463634 >>1463146 Ketsui is /vr/ because it runs on the 1997 IGS PGM platform. Ibara is not /vr/ because it runs on the 2004 CAVE CV1000 platform.

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 12:31:35 2014 No.1463676

>>1463573
Initialisms do not operate that way and if you knew anything about the phrase's use in Japan itself (they consider Halo a "STG") you wouldn't use it in the first place. If you're a native English speaker there is no reason for you to mutilate the language as such.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 14:01:24 2014 No.1463812 What are some good 2 player shmups on the Genesis and/or Dreamcast? I recently tried about 3-4 different games on the genesis and was disappointed to see they're all single player.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 14:11:54 2014 No.1463842 >>1463812 Raiden is always fun with 2 players, for dreamcast I'd recommend Ikaruga, Under Defeat and Zero Gunner 2. Especially Ikaruga is fun with 2 players.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 14:19:24 2014 No.1463856 >>1463676 They refer to halo and such games as FPS > If you're a native English speaker there is no reason for you to mutilate the language as such. >a "STG" an* :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 14:25:24 2014 No.1463864 >>1463842 Many thanks! We'll give em a shot this weekend.

script writer kibe Wed Mar 12 14:29:24 2014 No.1463872

>>1458205
Never really got the appeal of Touhou, but then again, I'm not entirely fond of Bullet Hell Shooters to begin with. I also don't agree with the people that say that Shmups had to transition to Bull Hells in order to survive, but to each their own

>>1458548
>It's a very hardcore niche now
No moreso than the Fighting game or Beat-Em-Up scene. There's been a bit of a resurgence of them on steam, which is nice and there's always been a good handful of them on Virtual Console, Xbox Marketplace, and PSN

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 14:30:24 2014 No.1463873 >>1463856 No, they use STG. STG is a blanket term for all manner of shooters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 14:30:24 2014 No.1463875 File: 36 KB, 550x413, shoebox-arcade-stick2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1440276

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:07:54 2014 No.1463929 >>1463812 Bio-Hazard Battle. Easy mode is accessible too, so you can team with less skilled people. Not shmup. But Gunstar Heroes is fun as well to play with 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:07:54 2014 No.1463930 >>1463873 FPS, even when the country's breaking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GycYo8BLDig

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:19:24 2014 No.1463951 What MAME do I DL for shmups? What do you recommend

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:21:24 2014 No.1463953 >>1463951 Mameplus 0.152

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:22:54 2014 No.1463957 >>1463930 One exception does not reverse a trend I'm afraid. It's a stupid term to use in (real, actual) English period.

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:23:24 2014 No.1463958

>>1463872
>I also don't agree with the people that say that Shmups had to transition to Bull Hells in order to survive,
Eschatos seemed to be pretty well received without doing so.
I think the problem is the cost of making games is higher now & bullet hells are the most popular at the moment, so it's a safer option. That's in relation to the arcade scene at least.
I'd like to see Doujin & Indie devs give traditional shooters more love, like the recent Twin Tiger Shark, that was a refreshing release and seems to be well liked so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:26:24 2014 No.1463963 >>1463953 >Once that's done, do I have to DL bios? I've never used emulation before.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:28:24 2014 No.1463967 >>1463963 Nah not really, only bios you'll need is the neogeo ones if you want to play neogeo games.

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:28:54 2014 No.1463971

>>1463957
Except it isn't one exception, it's the term they use.
>It's a stupid term to use in (real, actual) English period.
The argument was what they're referred to in Japan
> if you knew anything about the phrase's use in Japan itself (they consider Halo a "STG")

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:40:54 2014 No.1463984 >>1463967 I DL'd it, where do I put the roms I DL to make it work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:43:25 2014 No.1463990 >>1463984 You put the roms in the rom folder of MAME. You do NOT unzip them. Leave them as it is inside the rom folder. Press TAB in-game to access other options related to the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:45:54 2014 No.1463996 >>1463990 Sorry, this is a stupid question. But now what? I have it all in a folder titled MAME, but there are no roms folder that were unzipped with the pack

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:47:24 2014 No.1463997 File: 15 KB, 509x331, mame.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463996 Here, this is what I mean

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:50:54 2014 No.1464004

Just got a Saturn a few days ago, loving Dodonpachi and Sexy Parodius. Are there any specific suggestions for entry level bullet hell? Not exactly /vr/ related, but I bought Gundemonium and have been getring my anus kicked in every time I go above novice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:52:25 2014 No.1464007 Any good rotatable computer monitor suggestions for MAME?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:54:54 2014 No.1464010 >>1463997 Alright: http://forums.emulator-zone.com/showthread.php?t=13171 Start Mame "GUI" go to options->directories.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:55:54 2014 No.1464013 >>1463997 Make a roms folder you idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:56:55 2014 No.1464015 >>1464004 Batsugun is a great.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 15:57:54 2014 No.1464018 >>1464013 The normal version of MAME has one by default. I told him to put in that because I didn't notice he was using a different version. Ill check MAME plus myself later.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 17:18:06 2014 No.1464183 What's the funnest route in Darius II, /vr/?

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Wed Mar 12 18:08:42 2014 No.1464292 Who likes Mushihimesama? It doesn't really deserve it's reputation for being some insanely hard game, on normal mode I find it perfectly manageable. Even Maniac isn't so bad, Ultra is fucking insane though

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 18:20:11 2014 No.1464315 >>1464292 Mushi Original is one of my favorites. I didn't like the other modes as much, different tap rates based on distance for scoring isn't for me. I imagine ultra would be good for survival runs though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 18:23:11 2014 No.1464323 >>1464292 Yes I love Mushihimesama original mode, it's like a more manic toaplan shooter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 18:29:11 2014 No.1464332 >>1464292 >>1464315 >>1464323 >>>/v/

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Wed Mar 12 18:56:14 2014 No.1464393 >>1464332 whoops, forgot about the date limit on a /vr/ related note, I've been giving ESPrade a whirl, very fun game

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 19:00:14 2014 No.1464406 >>1464332 Chill out mr autism, their small side conversation didn't hurt anyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 19:10:44 2014 No.1464429 >>1464332 >>>/out/

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 20:54:53 2014 No.1464650

>>1464183
Lol, that's a loaded question. Not many of those.

The best final boss is Bio Strong, because of the freaky concept. Little Stripes is a joke and Mother Hawk is pretty plain.

Most of Darius 2 is a major pain in the ass, imo. The best routes are ones that actually let you beat the game in spite of the bullshit obstacles, enemy placement, and death penalties.

In that regard:
ABEIHMRX is generally regarded as the easiest route. Of course, I'm talking about the arcade game.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Wed Mar 12 21:40:27 2014 No.1464743 >>1464650 I found Darius 2 to be a big step up from 1, the first one is pretty boring. Having that wide as fuck screen really helps in horizontal shooters

Anonymous Wed Mar 12 21:52:14 2014 No.1464767

>>1464743

The widescreen setup really helped with the first game since it was designed around you being able to shoot through walls (which was a novel concept at the time) whereas in Darius II it feels more like it's working against you a little since every shot stops on the enemy making it easy to miss your marks in the back. Not to mention the tiny ass sizes of the basic enemy ships.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 21:55:44 2014 No.1464772 >>1430915 I can't play horisontal shooters for some reason, the vertical orientation is so much more comfortable to play on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 21:58:14 2014 No.1464779 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhVoSVCI8bY

>>	script writer kibe Wed Mar 12 22:12:29 2014 No.1464808 >>1430915 >>1464772 >picking sides when you can just have both

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 22:13:01 2014 No.1464812 >>1464808 >being this much of an STG slut

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 22:23:59 2014 No.1464824 >>1464808 I just mentioned that I am more comfortable with verticals. I didn't pick a side. Learn reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 12 22:28:30 2014 No.1464830 >>1464824 Fuck you you filty faggot nigger, you shouldn't insult others like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 05:11:51 2014 No.1465412 >>1454446 Sigma Star Saga, The Guardian Legend, and Fuzzical Fighter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 05:14:21 2014 No.1465416 >>1462751 >Cave games are nothing but lazy rehashes Perhaps modern Cave, but... >Espgaluda >Dangun Feveron >Ketsui Rehashes? Nah. >>1463131 >implying Ketsui sucks Ohboyherewego.png

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 05:18:51 2014 No.1465424 File: 1.18 MB, 2592x1944, IMG_20130115_220534.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guwange is my favourite Cave shmup. That's why I bought this really big...handkerchief. Also DoDonPachi gloves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 06:15:37 2014 No.1465494 do you guys love any manual-scrolling shmups?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 06:16:07 2014 No.1465496 >>1465494 No. Except Pocky & Rocky series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 06:46:10 2014 No.1465535 File: 18 KB, 300x203, 1150007-dr2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Would you classify games like Adventures of Dino Riki, King's Knight, Adventures of Valkyrie as shmups?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 07:28:10 2014 No.1465594 >>1465416 >>>/v/

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Thu Mar 13 11:33:27 2014 No.1465805 File: 8 KB, 265x265, 1394724835938.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1465594 >He doesn't know about the original 1995 Ketsui

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 12:13:04 2014 No.1465874 Any good and/or underrated shmups for PS1?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 12:14:05 2014 No.1465875 >>1465874 G. Darius. I like it as much as Gaiden.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 12:24:35 2014 No.1465883 File: 61 KB, 320x240, 1394727842938.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1465874 Zanac Neo on Zanac X Zanac

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 13:12:34 2014 No.1465952 >>1429738 >HOW DO I STOP SUCKING AT STAGE 4 IN IKARUGA. was always my least favorite stage too

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 13:24:35 2014 No.1465971 >>1465874 Raiden DX

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 19:12:35 2014 No.1466307 >>1465874 Raycrisis

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 20:06:05 2014 No.1466436 >Tecnosoft is dead >Raizing is dead >Compile is dead >Psikyo is dead >all significant people left Treasure >Cave quit making arcade games help /vr/. who's going to give me my shmupfix now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 20:12:05 2014 No.1466449 >>1466436 You forgot Hudson you piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 20:31:35 2014 No.1466490 >>1466436 what are the dudes that made Jamestown doing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 22:28:08 2014 No.1466830 File: 1.35 MB, 1920x1200, screeny.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey guys... here is an ingame screenshot of my little shmup... Coded the oldschool "TV" effect interlace so us lcd/plasma/led kids can feel nostalgia...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 22:53:07 2014 No.1466886 File: 95 KB, 1000x562, screen3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1466830 first thing that came to mind was that XBL indie game shooter Vorpal. My bullshit radar is busted so I can't tell if you're sincere or not, but keep going.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 22:55:06 2014 No.1466895 >>1466436 You forgot MileStone you piece of shit.

Anonymous Thu Mar 13 23:01:37 2014 No.1466910
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>>1466886
>XBL indie game shooter Vorpal.
If you scroll up you can see previous posts and links to a video of it... it's actually looking really damn good running at 60fps 1080p+. I still have a lot of work to do

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 23:10:36 2014 No.1466924 >>1466910 too shitfaced and lazy, just post the links and videos again, no one will mind if you do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 23:13:37 2014 No.1466937 >>1466436 You forgot Irem you piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 23:22:37 2014 No.1466964 >>1466910 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SF6oSqUO1M Yeah this is a slightly outdated video but I'm getting around to making a new one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 13 23:43:36 2014 No.1467034 >>1466937 IREM's been dead since the mid-'90s though.

Anonymous Fri Mar 14 00:21:06 2014 No.1467141
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is the 3rd stage in MushiFutari Satan?
It's just pure fucking evil and it never lets up. 4 and 5 I can learn with time, sure, hard as fuck, but I can learn cancelling and whatnot.
But that stage 3 is just something else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 00:26:36 2014 No.1467152 >>1467141 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 00:41:36 2014 No.1467184 File: 132 KB, 640x480, 2014-03-14 00-38-22.401.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Picked these up today, and holy fuck they both live up to their reputations. Anyone got any recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 00:45:36 2014 No.1467201 >>1467184 >super rtype enjoy your massive slowdown lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 00:54:06 2014 No.1467225 File: 49 KB, 174x188, 1350623736259.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Liked SNES Gradius 3 >Try the arcade version >MFW

Anonymous Fri Mar 14 01:17:36 2014 No.1467278

>>1467201

It's not that much of a problem if you're willing to (and skilled enough) to just bash all the weaker enemies with the force pod instead of shooting them. Then from there you can roll straight into Delta, which is typically considered 2nd best game in the series and it actually awards you extra points for the pod bashing!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 01:19:36 2014 No.1467282 Hey guys, I'm new to shmups. Do you think Parodius for the SNES is a good game to attempt a 1cc? Or should I try something easier or harder? The systems I have that have a good amount of shmups is a SNES and a Genesis

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 01:36:36 2014 No.1467319 >>1466436 Qute and Moss

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 01:38:36 2014 No.1467325 >>1467225 git gud

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 01:46:06 2014 No.1467347 >>1467282 go play mars matrix

Anonymous Fri Mar 14 02:07:06 2014 No.1467386

>>1467278
>Then from there you can roll straight into Delta, which is typically considered 2nd best game in the series and it actually awards you extra points for the pod bashing!
lol, by whom? More like 2nd worst. The R-Type series is curious in that each subsequent game was worse than the one before.

1 > II > III > Delta > Final

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 08:08:55 2014 No.1467771 >>1466449 Except Hudson got scooped up by Konami and hasn't made a game since

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Fri Mar 14 08:33:24 2014 No.1467793 >>1466436 New Call Of Duty games come out pretty often

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Fri Mar 14 08:36:54 2014 No.1467801 >>1467282 Mushihimesame Futari is a good place to begin, be sure to start with Ultra Mode as thats the easiest

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 08:37:54 2014 No.1467802 >>1466436 Indie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp3Zk7uM12o

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 10:27:14 2014 No.1467896 >>1467802 That's not a shmup.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 16:33:35 2014 No.1468524 File: 554 KB, 2000x1325, stick.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1439836 >>1463875 sup bros

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 19:02:44 2014 No.1468918 >>1467801 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 14 19:42:32 2014 No.1468998 >>1468918 Stop spamming the thread with "gb2/v/". If the mods didn't allow Mushi posts they would prune the thread of them. Deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 02:10:52 2014 No.1469716 i'm relatively new to this genre (you know, i have played it before but never take it so serious until now) I decided to start with the cps 1 and 2 games. So, what game you recommend me and some tips for a complete scrub? i apologise for my bad english

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 02:15:22 2014 No.1469729 >>1469716 Dimahoo Progear 19xx Varth

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 02:16:22 2014 No.1469731 >>1469716 Mars Fucking Matrix.

>>	Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Sat Mar 15 02:30:52 2014 No.1469762 >>1431452 Deathsmiles is good though. Follet is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 04:03:13 2014 No.1469879 File: 19 KB, 384x224, 0005.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1469731 Mars Matrix is GOD WANTS YOU DEAD mode. I think it's better to let the guy start with Giga Wing. >COME ON

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 17:37:24 2014 No.1470970 >>1469879 I know, i continued like thousand times but had a lot of fun. Actually i'm playing Dimahoo which really good. Thank you guys for your answers

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sat Mar 15 20:11:08 2014 No.1471294 File: 2.32 MB, 200x200, 1372359468398.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw reaching stage 5 of DoDonpachi on one cred for the first time

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sat Mar 15 20:35:23 2014 No.1471336 Finished DDPachi in 4 creds Can definitely do it in 3 if i step my game up

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 20:41:53 2014 No.1471347 Kinda weird that so much of us are hitting the same points at the same time, I just managed to make it to stage 5 in DDP on one credit as well. The 1cc is close enough to smell, but not close enough to taste.

Anonymous Sat Mar 15 20:45:23 2014 No.1471358

Hey guys, got a question.

Do you think it's better to play every game on a single credit, and try to get farther every time?

Or is it better to credit-feed until I beat the game, and try to use fewer credits each time?

I mean, I know "HURRR CREDIT FEEDER SCUM" but they both lead to the same goal of beating the game on a single credit.

Anonymous Sat Mar 15 20:49:53 2014 No.1471369

>>1471358

If you only have a PCB to practice on, the second. It lets you get better at the whole game rather than just the early stages. Every so often you should do a 1cc run or two just to raise the stakes a bit and make sure you are playing your best.

If it's console, then do lots of stage or boss practice if the game lets you.

If it's MAME, then savestate the fuck out of hard parts and practice those sections individually. There is no point in playing all of DoDonPachi to practice if your biggest stumbling block right now is the teleporting ships in stage 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 20:54:53 2014 No.1471384 >>1471358 I do both time to time, sometimes it's just fun to creditfeed through the game, but usually I'll just play one credit at a time.

||D.II.II\/II.||D Sat Mar 15 21:04:53 2014 No.1471406

>>1471358
I recommend a combination of the two
Don't credit feed your way to the end too often or you'll get bored of the game, but putting a few extra credits in to practice tough sections will help you progress
>>1471347
Yeah i can smell that there 1cc, stages 5 and 6 are tough but nothing extraordinary, especially since DDP is very generous with bombs. I don't think i'll be getting to loop 2 any time soon though

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 21:28:00 2014 No.1471462 File: 14 KB, 320x320, alc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw feel like a pussy when using bombs to neutralize enemy bullets

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 21:37:29 2014 No.1471482 >>1471462 I know what you mean. Sometimes I shoot enemies to destroy them. How should I deal with the guilt?

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sat Mar 15 21:37:59 2014 No.1471485 >>1471462 Knowing when to bomb is an important skill, stop whining

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 22:01:59 2014 No.1471542 >>1471358 The Japs only play for one credit regardless of clearing it.

>>	\|\|D.II.II\/II.\|\|D Sat Mar 15 22:15:29 2014 No.1471568 >>1471542 The way autist japs do things is not the definitive way though Credit feed as much as you feel is necessary anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 15 22:21:59 2014 No.1471576 >>1471542 >>>/jp/

Anonymous Sun Mar 16 13:01:17 2014 No.1472709

>>1471294
The feeling of accomplishing something feels so great. I finally did a full chain of 1-2 the other day and now I can almost replicate it every single time.

1-5 is still a bitch however, nmnb up until that stage and then I usually need to drop a bomb or two if I'm really playing bad. I'm still too cowardly to try using the safe spot against the boss in 1-5, so he usually ends up getting a bomb too because my nerves can't handle it. I can do it with save state practice, but when I'm shaking like crazy it's much harder, one single tap of my finger and I'll be dead. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 13:20:17 2014 No.1472747 >>1471568 It seems to work though considering almost all shmup world records are Japanese. Just playing the devil's advocate.

Anonymous Sun Mar 16 13:25:47 2014 No.1472760

>>1463872
>No moreso than fighting games
Not even close to true. Beat em ups? Yeah, they're pretty niche now, but fighting games are much better off than shmups in the west. In fact it's probably the genre that has maintained the highest degree of relevancy after the end of the arcade era. I think this is largely because it translated well to a console experience whereas shmup design philosophy is very heavily tied to arcade-style play.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 13:30:47 2014 No.1472778 >>1440435 do they incorporate lag free gaming hacks in every new release?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 13:53:47 2014 No.1472820 >>1472747 Is it not down to the fact that they spend much more time paying shmups than filthy round eyes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 13:57:17 2014 No.1472828 >>1472747 That's only because they don't waste their autism on stupid fucking debates about playing styles like we do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 14:35:25 2014 No.1472908 How do I git gud at Soukyugurentai?

>>	\|\|D.\|\|.\|\|\/\|\|.\|\|D Sun Mar 16 14:44:55 2014 No.1472926 >>1472908 Max out swimming ASAP

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 14:58:55 2014 No.1472952 >>1472926 "swimming"?

Anonymous Sun Mar 16 16:10:03 2014 No.1473097

>>1472820
That's not really true. For all the Jap players playing tons and tons every day there's just as many western players who do the same thing, and yet we never really beat them.

In fact, because of the single credit play they do, they actually get less practice time than western players who use save states and such to practice for hours on end.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 16:25:32 2014 No.1473123 >>1471462 Try playing shmups without screen clearing bombs then. Most horis are like this, but some verts like Image Fight and Xevious and its imitators are bomb free.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 16:51:33 2014 No.1473165 File: 54 KB, 720x439, 1389477094237.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1473097

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 17:55:32 2014 No.1473331 File: 144 KB, 500x650, mac.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1450107 >Giant floating city that turns into a robot. I approve of this idea

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 18:53:49 2014 No.1473484 Can anyone recommend a vertical shmup that plays more like an old school hori(like gradius or r-type)? I like the gameplay style but the scrolling seriously throws me off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 19:02:19 2014 No.1473501 >>1473484 Image Fight Slap Fight MD Fire Shark Salamander

Anonymous Sun Mar 16 19:08:19 2014 No.1473513

>>1473484
>a vertical shmup that plays more like an old school hori

These are the best kind of shmups. Sadly, there aren't that many and I am looking for more myself. Here's what I've found so far:
Image Fight I & II, Last Duel, 1941, War of Aero, V-V and Dogyuun!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 20:01:49 2014 No.1473635 File: 63 KB, 398x395, Fredo -.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >play shmup >finish >close eyes >see bullet patterns everywhere

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 20:31:20 2014 No.1473716 File: 131 KB, 170x128, cirno's treasure.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] From where can I download the .apk for Dodonpachi resurrection? inb4 google play, I'm not paying for it

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 20:36:17 2014 No.1473737 >>1473716 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 20:48:18 2014 No.1473779 >>1473635 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect A 6-hour window between playing videogames and going to sleep is recommended.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 21:03:18 2014 No.1473834 >no-miss DDP up until stage 5 >shit suddenly gets hard What do /vr/oom?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 21:08:48 2014 No.1473847 >>1473834 Git gud.

Anonymous Sun Mar 16 21:12:20 2014 No.1473861

>>1473484
Mahou Daisakusen
V-V/Grind Stormer
Image Fight
Daioh
Dogyuun
Radiant Silvergun
Truxton/Tatsujin
Truxton 2/Tatsujin Oh
Sky Adventure
Sky Shark
Fire Shark
Vimana

Basically anything made by Toaplan before Batsugun.

Also I've been trying to find vertical shooters that have obstacles/enviromental hazards/walls to collide with.
The only ones that come to my mind are:

Mahou Daisakusen
Image Fight
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 21:31:18 2014 No.1473925 File: 483 KB, 1024x768, DSC00561.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My cheap SHMUP Setup

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 22:17:19 2014 No.1474068 >>1473925 I like it Gonna do something like that when I move alone

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 02:18:14 2014 No.1474586 >>1473834 Memorize key enemy spawns so you're familiar with how the stage is choreographed and then bomb whenever you feel your control slipping. Weave harder.

>>	\|\|D.\|\|.\|\|\/\|\|.\|\|D Mon Mar 17 03:45:13 2014 No.1474754 >>1473861 Guwange

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 06:11:23 2014 No.1474923 >>1474068 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 09:14:31 2014 No.1475073 >>1473925 How much cost these arcade controllers? Anyone recommend me some good and cheap controller for arcades?

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 10:02:50 2014 No.1475113
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>>1475073
If you want cheap there's those "Combat King" sticks on ebay, they're ok at best, the buttons are pretty stiff but the stick itself is ok. The buttons are really easy to swap out tho.

I use one of those, but I've swapped out the buttons for sanwa buttons and the stick for seimitsu LS-32.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:18:07 2014 No.1475547

>>1475073
These are for the Dreamcast. Although the sticks are loose I find it good for shmups, the biggest con about the Topmax Enforcer stick is that it is not heavy enough so one has to put pressure on the thing to keep it grounded. I got them for around 40 each on amazon [used]. These are temporary though since I wanted to get used to arcade sticks again. I'm thinking of getting the Dual Joystick X-Arcade set next in the event that Agetec sticks get more expensive then they are now.

A little bit more on the stick, it has a built in rumble feature but I think mine is broken since it only rumbles whenever it feels like it. The buttons are flat and lastly it has turbo macros so you can set each button up for rapid fire; useful for Chun-Li and Joe Higashi players alike.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 11:07:05 2014 No.1477469 >>1473097 It's because western players use cheat states that they don't get good scores.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 11:47:51 2014 No.1477517

>>1473834
use keyboard
stop being bad
use stick
practice harder
use a pad that's actually good(saturn, ps2, neo geo cd)

1-5 is probably the hardest stage in the entire first loop. I wouldn't feel too bad about needing a bomb on the first runs, but you should be able to nmnb it fairly consistently with a bit more practice. took me about 5 hours before I could nmnb it in every run.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 16:40:29 2014 No.1478090 >>1464824 >I just mentioned that I am more comfortable with verticals. I didn't pick a side. > Moderately clever/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 16:41:59 2014 No.1478094 >>1434064 You do realize that CAVE's shoes are simply too big?

>>	Hexer !NHpYSS45yU Tue Mar 18 16:46:13 2014 No.1478110 Are Sony's policies going to lead to many VN and STGs coming out for XBox only again this iteration? >>1456565 >Mars Matrix > This game was born out of hell's limitless hate for all human life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 17:12:22 2014 No.1478164 >>1462593 >Vertically scrolling Gradius >implying the Gradius power-up bar and checkpoints are good designs only on /vr/, folks

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 20:52:12 2014 No.1478594 >>1478164 I agree, 'good' is not good enough to describe such great design.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 23:02:03 2014 No.1478870 Anybody agree that it's usually the first stage music that sounds well composed while the rest feels random? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im7qZmxOSUI

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 23:13:33 2014 No.1478890

>>1478870
Not a shooter, but the most egregious case of this is Valis on the Genesis. The first level is amazing, but the rest of the game is the same 4 second loop played over and over again.

I find that many shooters keep the pace through the entire game, though. But many do blow their load on stage 1, certainly.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 03:35:16 2014 No.1479378

>>1478870
Yeah, I've noticed this as well.

It's probably because the developers are trying to get you hooked as much as possible on your first time playing the game and the first stage is the only stage you can reliably be expected to see through to completion.

So they put a bit more effort into the presentation of the first stage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 04:02:46 2014 No.1479410 >>1466307 My NEGRO they Ray games need more love

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 04:05:16 2014 No.1479413 >>1478890 Never heard of Valis before, gonna check it out later this week. >>1479378 This kind of works because I'm shit at shmups and I barely make it to the 3rd stage or 4th on games outside of MAME where I can't pull off no fake quarters bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 04:10:46 2014 No.1479415 >>1479413 Play them on a PC-Engine emulator. Those are the only versions that are good. All of them on Genesis except 3 are just plain bad games, and that one is just mediocre. Its a series where every platform got radically different games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 04:51:08 2014 No.1479447 >>1479415 Actually, I'm holding off on PC-E/TG16 games until I buy a Turbo Duo and an Everdrive so I don't burn out and ruin the experience. But I'll keep a reminder somewhere about Valis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:59:11 2014 No.1479913 >>1479447 >>1479415 I quite like III on the Genesis. It's not Shinobi or anything, but it's pretty fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:29:29 2014 No.1480080 >>1479913 >>1478890 Speaking of Genesis, what shmups would you guys recommend? Never got to play one back when I had my Genesis unless Star Wars on 32x counts.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:31:59 2014 No.1480083

>>1480080
Anything by Toaplan. A few of their games were released under other publishers so they don't have the logo on the front, but you can find lists online. All of their games are good to great, and are amongst the best sounding games on the console.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:51:29 2014 No.1480115

>>1480080
The Thunder Force series is great. 2,3, and 4 are all on genesis. 2 is a little odd with overhead sections, but theyre all great and have amazing music. 4 was called Lightening Force in america for some god forsaken reason.
Sega CD has quite a few good shmups if you have/desire one of those.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:02:59 2014 No.1480138 >>1480080 >>1480083 is right. They're all great. Also, >>1480115 too. Wings of Wor, Arrow Flash, Whip Rush, Bio Hazard Battle, MUSHA and Phelios are worth picking up. So many great shmups on the Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:17:08 2014 No.1480443 >>1465494 Got any examples? I can only think of Pocky and Rocky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 20:31:08 2014 No.1480964 >>1480443 Outzone

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 22:09:08 2014 No.1481212 >>1480443 In The Hunt and Defender nigger

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 22:56:08 2014 No.1481323 >>1480115 >>1480083 >>1480138 All of these sound like awesome games. Thanks for the suggestions.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:02:08 2014 No.1481343

I'm trying to git gud at shemups because I'm horrible at the ones I try playing (Ikaruga, MUSHA, Thunder Force IV, Space Harrier, and Truxton) But I enjoy them a lot. What are some NOOB tier shooters? I really wanna play galga again tho....feels. Air Zonk is pretty fun as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:05:08 2014 No.1481359 >>1481343 Dodonpachi

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:07:08 2014 No.1481368
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>>1481343
Fire Shark is noob tier, but really good. Your default is a spread shot so its not game over when you die once late in the game and lose your powerups.

MUSHA is noob tier as well. Set it to easy, beat that, then normal, then hard. MUSHA on hard is still not very hard.

Tried any toohoos? Touhou 4 is a proto-bullet hell, but beatable with practice.

Lords of Thunder on the Sega CD is REALLY easy.

As a note, Truxton is nightmare mode. Jesus Christ that game is hard. Only harder Genesis shooter I've played is Verytex.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:10:08 2014 No.1481370

>>1481368
I got hooked onto truxton easily. It seems pretty easy at first but I felt that I kept making stupid mistakes in general. Not paying full attention to screen. But thanks bro! and no never heard of Toohoo what is that for??? I'll give LotT a try already have it on my Sega CD emu on wii.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:13:08 2014 No.1481390 >>1481343 Vimana Prehistoric Isle 2 Gekirindan Kyuukyouku Tiger 2 Batsugun Work through those and by the end you'll be able to take on Ikaruga & Tatsujin

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:14:08 2014 No.1481391

>>1481370
That's because its a fair game. It doesn't make you feel like its bullshit when you die. It doesn't kill you with ridiculous patterns or enemies filling the entire screen with bullets. It kills you by demanding lightning reflexes to move your huge ass ship out of the way when enemies suddenly come out of the fucking corners and flying wildly across the screen.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:16:08 2014 No.1481407

>>1481370
/vr/ Touhou are on the PC-98 line of NEC computers. Newer ones are for Windows. They are very popular among weeaboos, but if you like shooters where you pilot flying witches instead of space ships once in a while, they are fun and have great music (the creator is a musician first, game programer second, and artist in a distant last)

You can generally find torrents of the first 5 bundled with a PC98 emulator such as Anex.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:24:08 2014 No.1481430 >>1481390 Didn't realize how many of them were on the Saturn. Thanks!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:24:08 2014 No.1481435 >>1481391 The only really bullshit stuff in Truxton is when enemies start coming in from the bottom of the screen with no warning. That stuff shifts it from "mostly fair" into "memorizer" for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 23:33:08 2014 No.1481457 >>1481435 What could be more fair than a test of memory?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 02:31:08 2014 No.1481796 >>1481343 Deathsmiles 1 and 2 are really easy on the default difficulties, and very enjoyable to boot. (The scoring system is not as arcane as some others)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 03:56:08 2014 No.1481886 >>1481343 Anything by Cave, Psikyo or Raizing will teach you the fundamentals of dot dodging and by playing them, studying replays, forming strategies, and refining your execution you will finally git gud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 07:18:08 2014 No.1482095 >>1481435 You shouldn't be clinging to the bottom of the screen like a ninny in the first place! It's great to have attackers from behind, makes the levels feel more exhilarating than if they just flew into your line of fire all the time y'know?

Anonymous Thu Mar 20 09:10:08 2014 No.1482236
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>>1480080
Here, I'll dump my current folder of it for you. Feel free to go crazy! Most of these I got from a bulk pack on Iso Zone and I pass the lack of shit games onto you!
https://www.mediafire.com/?j57q16q3u75wds9

Also are there any other Shmups out there that mock you for doing poorly like Blazing Star?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 13:34:08 2014 No.1482608 >>1434064 >Triangle Service I'm the kind of guy who enjoyed the majority of Milestone's output but I have an extremely hard time understanding what anyone sees in TS' games.

Anonymous Thu Mar 20 14:53:08 2014 No.1482730

>>1473635
>>1473779

I kind of love when that happens actually. It's like I can feel part of my brain still playing. It's the best when I go to read before bed and all the letters are moving slightly and I see the spacing between words as paths to fly through.

>>	Guwange Anonymous Thu Mar 20 22:28:08 2014 No.1483808 File: 195 KB, 230x305, guwange-cave-1999.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck was Cave thinking? I feel like this is when Cave went all prog for an album and fans just don't know what the fuck.

Anonymous Thu Mar 20 22:33:08 2014 No.1483823

I guess this would be the best place to ask, so here goes.

I got this sudden impulse to mod my TvC Wii stick with Seimitsu parts after trying out some other sticks recently, but I wasn't going to guess that MadCatz would spray a bunch of goo over the screws and strip them, so now I can't even replace the stick.

Has anyone tried modding that WWE BrawlStick for shmups? It looks like a better option to begin with due to the PC support.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 23:12:08 2014 No.1483941 >>1483808 What exactly is the problem with Guwange?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 23:16:08 2014 No.1483952 >>1483808 but Guwange is great

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 05:19:08 2014 No.1484568

>>1483823
>Has anyone tried modding that WWE BrawlStick for shmups?
I have their XBox 360 version SFIV SE Fightstick (same hardware as the WWE stick), modded with a Seimitsu LS-32-01 stick and PS-14-KN buttons. Very easy mod. Only slightly difficult part was one button was a very tight fit and I filed off about 1mm from its mounting clip thing so it would fit easily. Works great for shmups.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 08:11:08 2014 No.1484726 >>1430915 >tfw verts don't have level design at all >tfw horts will always be more engaging

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 09:09:08 2014 No.1484794 >>1483808 >having a problem with Guwange Niggah, you gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 09:17:08 2014 No.1484810 >>1484726 you like Macross on NES? it had interesting mechanics that were limited by the hardware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 09:47:08 2014 No.1484849 >>1483808 Huh, was Guwange really made in 1999? I thought it was a lot later than that for some reason. I apologize for my /v/ redirection.

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 09:48:08 2014 No.1484851

Question: has anyone got a link to a working version of Detana!! Twinbee? or Gradius and Gradius 2? most of the roms sites I can locate do not have working versions. emuparadise, coolrom, edgeemu, doperoms,
I get missing file errors in both UME 0.151 and mame 0.152. and I have made sure that I have any possibly relevant bios files.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 10:34:08 2014 No.1484965 >>1484851 For Gradius and Gradius II you need both the Nemesis and Vulcan Venture roms respectively.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 20:39:29 2014 No.1486237 File: 25 KB, 509x396, 1393332675826.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1484794 You eat a dick niggah

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 20:42:59 2014 No.1486240 I've basically played no shmups aside from Gradius, Parodius and Life Force, and would like to get into the genre. Where should I start, and what would you guys recommend?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 20:47:29 2014 No.1486253 >>1486240 You started from the top, there's nowhere to go but down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 23:28:59 2014 No.1486503 >>1486240 Gradius is already a good start. Here are some other selections to give you a good idea of the genre. Galaga R-Type Zanac Raiden II Darius Gaiden Cho Ren Sha 68K Battle Garegga

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 01:06:09 2014 No.1486713 >>1484568 Sounds good. I grabbed a stick and buttons already, so now I just have to wait for the delivery. Hopefully I don't have to deal with more of that red goo crap with this one, I really don't know why it was so bad in my TvC stick.

>>	\|\|D.\|\|.\|\|\/\|\|.\|\|D Sat Mar 22 02:30:34 2014 No.1486894 >>1483808 At least you're not piloting a little chinese schoolgirl like you are with later Cave release

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 19:18:09 2014 No.1488370 >>1483808 >this is when Cave went all prog for an album and fans just don't know what the fuck. No that's dangun

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 19:34:09 2014 No.1488405 >>1488370 and I continue to wish they made more like it I like Cave's other stuff, but Dangun ranks as my 2nd favorite Cave game (my favorite is Futari). dem fast everythings

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 20:22:10 2014 No.1488530 Which one do you guys prefer: the regular version of Batsugun or the arrange version? I suck ass at both of them but I keep playing the arrange ver most of the time. Still can't manage to even beat the first loop though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 22:50:47 2014 No.1488908 >>1488530 Normal I should start playing Batsugun again

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 04:36:37 2014 No.1489464 >>1484726 >tfw verts don't have level design at all Wrong. The level design is in the bullet patterns.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 10:28:54 2014 No.1489853 >>1488370 Dangun is fun as hell, but I can't play on anything other than a keyboard when I play it. Which sucks, since I enjoy playing shmups on a stick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 13:47:51 2014 No.1490139 File: 56 KB, 409x329, EnforcerCyan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is pick related a good stick for shmups? How does it compare to the official Dreamcast stick?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 15:21:26 2014 No.1490319 >>1490139 I have one and the stick is loose which makes it nice for both fighting and shmup.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 15:59:16 2014 No.1490406

>>1467141

The 3rd stage is absolutely a bitch. I've mastered the first half pretty easy, the midboss beetle has a pattern that gets me about 50% of the time if I don't bomb...but the second half of stage 3....christ. It's the criss-crossing of the patterns that fucks me. I simply can't kill shit on one side fast enough to the incredibly dense patterns. I think part of the problem is that I use abnormal Palm because I love his speed and power but I need to look into Reco's spread out shots more.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 22:13:24 2014 No.1491396 [DELETED]

I can't remember the name of an old PC (or DOS, can't genuinely remember) game I used to play back in the early/mid 90s. It was a vertical shooter similar to Galaga (but with sprites) that had you in an F-22, hell I even remember the opening cinematic for the first level being of an F-22 taking off via VTOL. Can anyone help?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 24 12:17:56 2014 No.1492782 File: 10 KB, 256x224, rayxanber_ii_000.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any tips on taking on Rayxanber II? Stage 4 is grinding me to a pulp. Also I love the soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKj7KI6Bps0&feature=youtu.be&t=9m50s

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 24 12:23:26 2014 No.1492794 >>1492782 >Any tips on taking on Rayxanber II? Play a better game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 24 19:30:00 2014 No.1493907 >>1492794 LOL XDXDXDXD I JUST LITERALLY PEED MY PANTS JUST A LITTE THOUGH I MEAN ITS A LITTLE SPOT NOT LIKE IT RUINED MY CHAIR R NYTHING LOL BUT FOR REAL EPIC LULZ HIGH FIVES XDDDDDDDD

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 24 23:04:31 2014 No.1494424 >>1490319 >the stick is loose Which makes it shit for shmups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 02:15:27 2014 No.1494708 >>1494424 If you want to get picky about that, X-Arcade Dual Joystick/Solo is another affordable stick that works on the Dreamcast and has an arcade tight stick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 04:27:36 2014 No.1494829 We should rip off /jp/'s stg thread and have our own random shmup challenges, except not make them about only 2hushit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 08:36:38 2014 No.1495121 >>1494708 I wasn't the guy you were originally replying to. I think he'd be best off installing a seimitsu 56 a fightstick or whatever. Also an octo gate if he rides the edges.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 15:47:38 2014 No.1495837 Are there any STG's where I can be a Nazi and pilot a Messerschmitt?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 15:53:36 2014 No.1495854 >>1484810 I agree. Changing your ship's form to change its speed is a really clever idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 16:03:36 2014 No.1495884 >>1495854 Even though the enemies appeared randomly, it was good for challenge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 20:22:51 2014 No.1496569 >>1495837 No, but you can be a Karlsland witch in the Strike Witches STG.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 25 22:02:51 2014 No.1496828 >>1495837 Strikers 1945

Anonymous Wed Mar 26 17:26:37 2014 No.1498942

>>1494708
>>1495121
So the Topmax is a shit shmup stick, even if it's a budget one? While the X-Arcade looks nice, that's a little more than I want to spend on a joystick. And I'm not smart enough to install something like a Seimitsu 56. Instead, I'm considering buying this Total Control thing with a Saturn stick. What would be a good Saturn stick to use and is $28-ish a bad price for that adapter?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 26 17:31:37 2014 No.1498957 File: 46 KB, 701x599, 701px-TotalControl3_DC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1498942 whoops, I forgot my picture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 26 19:22:02 2014 No.1499298 >>1498942 Just get a HRAP.EX or EX-SE If you cop out and get some cheapo garbage, you're gonna end up having to spend more money on a better stick later anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 26 21:02:01 2014 No.1499618 >>1498942 That's what I have as my back-up setup. Bought two pairs of ASCII and Virtual for $20 each and almost can't wait until I need to use them.

Anonymous Wed Mar 26 23:51:01 2014 No.1500039

>>1498942
>And I'm not smart enough to install something like a Seimitsu 56

It's incredibly easy, and if you get the right stick to mod then the entire process requires nothing more than a screwdriver. Go to the SRK Forums and look in Tech Talk, they have a giant guide on stick modding.

Loose sticks with large engage and throw distances just ruin the shmup experience, I almost denounced joysticks entirely until I tried my buddy's seimitsu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 28 14:48:45 2014 No.1503436 >>1495837 Under Defeat.

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