USB controller thread

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USB controller thread Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:38:15 2014 No.1396563 [DELETED]

I know very well that getting an authentic controller with and adapter would be best to get the best feel, but I'm not planning to.

I've seen many people recommend these buffalo NES/SNES usb controllers.

Does anyone here own one of these or tried them? Are the other makers like retrolink or tomee any good?

You can discuss other alternatives as well or just controllers in general.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:40:14 2014 No.1396568 >>1396563 Don't tell /vr/ But I use a DS4 for my retro emulation needs because of the great Dpad. Shhhhh

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:47:14 2014 No.1396586

http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-P2600-Rumble-Game-Controller/dp/B000AL7034

Controllers and emulation are tricky. If you just plan on playing one system you don't have much to worry about. But getting a basic SNES style pad and trying to play N64 games is impossible, and it sucks for Saturn/6 face button Genesis games.

The controller above is the only one I've found that can cover every major system from the NES to DC comfortably, even the N64. D-Pad might take time to get used to, though.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:47:44 2014 No.1396585
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A lot of the 3rd party usb stuff is very cheaply made. Flimsy, mushy, and not very durable.

Using a controller meant for the PS3/360 seems to be the better route. There are several 3rd party options from companies like Hori and Mad Catz, as well as the official pads of course.

Personally, I like the 360 Afterglow controller. Pretty solid, nice size, good d-pad (better than the official). Nothing really to complain about. I used it for a couple of years before getting my flash carts and after using real SNES/NES/Megadrive controllers I kind of ... miss it, if you can believe it.

I think some people are catching on too, because it used to be seen frequently on ebay for as little as five bucks. But now it's in the 15-20 range.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:49:14 2014 No.1396593
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>>1396568
Nothing wrong with that. Sony official controllers are always pretty heavy duty, and make fine substitutes for a lot old stuff.

Hori's PS3 controller looks like it could be a good compromise between different retro system layouts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:50:14 2014 No.1396595 >>1396586 I had one of these years ago and I felt it was immensely stiff compared to my PlayStation controllers. Have they changed at all?

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:56:44 2014 No.1396613

>>1396563
I have one. It's great. The D-pad is a bit stiffer than the OEM SNES pad, but I actually prefer it. Obviously you'll want to use something else for games requiring an analog stick or more than two shoulder buttons, but for 8/16-bit games it's just about perfect.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 18:59:14 2014 No.1396618

>>1396585
i used that afterglow for years till the b button started sticking. decided to try something else instead of fixing it, found the ds3 and don't plan plan ever changing. the classic controller pro is wonderful too, and there are adapters for that

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 19:02:14 2014 No.1396625 Get a wired 360 controller and never look back,

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 19:03:44 2014 No.1396627

>>1396613

I'm planning on getting both the NES and SNES controller made by Buffalo, this is very nice to hear.

As for controllers with analog sticks I have an old logitech rumblepad 2. It did well enough for PC DaS but it's still pretty bad, especially the d-pad. But then again it's not often I play with the controller on my PC games, so getting a new one for those types of games wouldn't be necessary.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 19:10:44 2014 No.1396637

>>1396563
I have a retrolink NES and a Tomee SNES controller. The NES one is acceptable, totally for the money I got it for. It's not perfect, though.
The SNES one is way better than what I anticipated, though I didn't expect much. Still, the Tomee SNES one is pretty damn good for a replica controller.

Actually never heard of this iBuffalo thing. Are they better/worse/about as good as the Tomee SNES pad? Does anyone know?

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 19:16:44 2014 No.1396653
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I mostly use my hacked wii to play snes and nes games and this mother fucker right here? PERFECT. connect actual controllers and flawless response time. I need to hook up a bluetooth connection to my PC to see how well it does on that end but ill go over some other stuff real quick

connects to nes/famicom, snes, and super famicom

start and select bring up the home menu

fucking love it personally

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 19:41:39 2014 No.1396705 >>1396585 >afterglow anything disgusting

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 19:59:05 2014 No.1396729

>>1396595
I honestly couldn't tell you. The last one I purchased was the P880 and it wasn't stiff at all. The buttons feel a little too pronounced, but I've been using the thing for around 6-7 years and still love it. It's still one of the few with 6 face buttons and 4 shoulder buttons, which is a necessity for some consoles. Not that there aren't better alternatives out there, I just haven't come across any.

Though the best option is to just buy the original controllers and USB adapters. But that's a lot of hardware and money, especially if you play with friends often.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 20:14:05 2014 No.1396761 Would a PS3 controller from Gamestop work for these purposes? It looks more like a Gamecube controller, which I like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 20:36:05 2014 No.1396790 >>1396593 Is this not out yet? I'd totally buy that but I can't find anything about it.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 20:47:35 2014 No.1396806
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>>1396563
Oh shit OP, I made a youtube video reviewing this very controller like 2 days ago. Amazon wouldnt let me upload it to their video reviews because I guess they hate quality?

http://youtu.be/UgiI711zZiw

TLDW I like it a lot. You should get one.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 20:49:39 2014 No.1396812
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>>1396568

Well, the DualShock 4 is a bunch of upgrades shoved onto the original PlayStation controller, which in turn was obviously heavily inspired by the SNES controller. So it's all good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 20:52:09 2014 No.1396818 >>1396625 I hear the d-pad is megagarbage on those, probably not so good for retro gaming

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:05:09 2014 No.1396845 File: 761 KB, 2048x1536, IMG20130703_001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1396790 It's been released for quite a while, I have one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:07:39 2014 No.1396847 File: 35 KB, 563x422, mad_catz_retro_angle_big[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] loljk they suck - bad quality, bad feel

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:17:09 2014 No.1396856 File: 58 KB, 345x224, classic-controller.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does /vr/ think of the Wii Classic Controller? What is the D-Pad comparable to?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:18:10 2014 No.1396858 >>1396856 the gamecube d-pad

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:29:40 2014 No.1396874 >>1396856 Get the pro- it's godlike

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:38:39 2014 No.1396887

I don't know what /vr/ thinks, but I think it's shit. I honestly can't think of one good thing to say about it.

For OP, I can't comment on that controller. I was looking for some more retro ones but they all seemed a little iffy. I ended up getting a DS3 and really enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:39:39 2014 No.1396889 >>1396887 sorry meant to be responding to >>1396856

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:59:09 2014 No.1396914 Are dualshock 3's expected to come down in price any time soon? Amazon has them for 40, and the ds4s are 60. That seems a little steep to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 22:06:39 2014 No.1396924 >>1396914 Sony is probably still going to support the PS3 for a while yet. Best to wait for a sale.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 22:07:39 2014 No.1396929 >>1396914 I doubt it. I would just keep an eye out for a sale so they could maybe drop to 30

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 22:14:39 2014 No.1396948 >>1396914 Looks like they only drop to 35 on a sale, but I still think 40 is worth it. Grab a little bluetooth adapter for cheap to have wireless too

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 22:21:39 2014 No.1396967 >>1396585 I loved my AfterGlow controller while it still worked, but the sensitivity was pretty bad. Could never get it just right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 00:07:01 2014 No.1397178 >>1396847 Those are great you nig. I used it as my Katamari controller.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 00:22:51 2014 No.1397194 >>1396847 I used to have one of these. I remember hating it. But it's been so long, and it looks so pretty, and I almost want to buy one again. Tell me again why it sucks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 00:40:52 2014 No.1397210 I sure have seen this controller posted a lot recently can't wait for mine to arrive, but still... >>1396806 why zsnes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 00:55:24 2014 No.1397224 >>1396563 Just ordered this controller through Amazon, through a Japanese seller. Anything I need to know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 00:56:54 2014 No.1397227 Just ordered this controller through Amazon, through a Japanese seller. Anything I need to know about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 00:59:24 2014 No.1397229 >>1396705 Justify your response, because they are solid little controllers. You're just hating on the clear glowy shit and it being a 360 (enemy of /vr/) controller.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:02:24 2014 No.1397242 >>1397194 You probably hated using it because it was squishy as hell and then you were kind of glad when it broke, which was quickly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:02:54 2014 No.1397245 >>1397210 I dunno, I used to use zsnes like a decade ago and it was the first emulator I remembered when I got back into emulation. Seems to work fine, do you have a better recommendation?

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:08:54 2014 No.1397252

I'm thinking of getting either a Play Sega USB Saturn controller, or a Wii Classic Controller Pro for classic games/classic-style games on the PC.

Can /vr/ recommend one or the other? I really like the Saturn pad, but the more modern CC Pro might be a better investment in the long-run.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:11:54 2014 No.1397260 >>1397252 Those PlaySegas are not actually made by Sega, while the classic controller is obviously still made by Nintendo. I'd basically only consider the PlaySega if you do a lot of 6 button fighting.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:14:54 2014 No.1397265

>>1396585
I used a Mad Catz for emulation and I saw no issue with it (other than N64. Playing that with anything but an N64 remote feels weird for me). It lasted me quite a few months until the A button stopped working. Overall, it was a nice and well worth the money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 02:54:28 2014 No.1397369 >>1396637 I've read that buffalo has actually gotten permission from nintendo to use their old designs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:03:28 2014 No.1397376 >>1396845 >dat bundling of cord Now I can finally save my controllers from an early death via being shredded by my computer chair wheels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:36:29 2014 No.1397408 calling out the keyboard fag, why are we missing you on this thread sincerely gamepad fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:41:18 2014 No.1397418 >>1397408 Because this isn't /v/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:44:18 2014 No.1397420 >>1397408 /vr/ has it's fair share of PC games. But it is BY FAR populated by console players. 50% SNES fags 40% Genesis fags 10% other.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:50:18 2014 No.1397421

Only experience with anything other than the wired 360 controller is a retrolink SNES pad I got a few months back, and it's pretty shit cause it triggers random diagonals for most of the cardinal directions. Sidescrollers are alright depending on the game but it's completely unplayable for top down games. Is there a fix for this or should I just toss this shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:51:18 2014 No.1397425 File: 161 KB, 1280x960, IMG002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1396563 The best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 05:36:38 2014 No.1397494 >>1397425 How good is the D-Pad by comparison to other notable ones?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 05:46:38 2014 No.1397497 >>1396653 I've been thinking about getting one, but it had a bunch of bad reviews on Amazon. reading them though they sounded like, "i don't suck at games, the controller is broken" types.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 05:52:38 2014 No.1397503

>>1396914
i got mine for $35 on sale. doesn't feel like it will ever break, providing you're not the type to go full retard and throw it around when you lose. If it's Anthony like the ds2 it should last forever(i always had trouble with the ds2 cable after four or so years, south those can switch the cable or just go Bluetooth)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 06:16:08 2014 No.1397521 I use a PS2 controller with a USB adaptor. The adaptor was cheap, I have a bunch of PS2 controllers laying around anyway, and it works beautifully.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 07:04:38 2014 No.1397568
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Any word on the official Windows driver? I've had this thing just sitting here waiting to be played with since Christmas (girlfriend got it for me because she knew I was gonna buy one eventually anyway), but Microsoft is being a big dipshit.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 07:10:38 2014 No.1397572

>>1397568
I checked Google last week and there's nothing new regarding official drivers. Somebody is making an unofficial driver though, but the guy making it is busy and wants to release it when he can get every button on the controller to work.

Please tell me it doesn't use AA batteries

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 07:16:08 2014 No.1397579

>>1397572
>Please tell me it doesn't use AA batteries
Heh...
In all fairness, if you're gonna be using this thing wired anyway then the batteries don't matter much. That said, $60 for a controller that takes goddamn AAs is criminal and they can eat a bag of dicks for that..

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 07:34:38 2014 No.1397594

>>1397579
I mean, it's fucking 2014, you would think AA batteries would exist for only toys and legacy purposes by now. It irritates me that Microsoft still wants people to buy their shitty charging kits if they don't want put up with going through regular batteries. It's even worse that the wireless controllers need a dongle to connect to a PC rather than through the charge cable which I have seen many people falling for it.

I haven't used a DS3, but apparently it works fine on PC when connected through its Mini USB and not just Bluetooth, after fan-made drivers of course. And then the DS4 supports the PC natively. You know something is wrong when your competitor's similar product is more compatible with your operating system and your product isn't.

Meanwhile, Nintendo's Wii U Pro controller apparently goes for 80 hours

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 07:49:47 2014 No.1397604

>>1397594
>Wii U Pro controller
If it had an official driver and they hadn't fucked up the button placement, I would have bought one already.

Presumably Microsoft thinks that if they keep waiting to release the driver (which they've obviously had for a while) then a few more people will buy an Xbone. In reality, people are just going to get fed up and buy a DS4 instead, stick placement be damned.

It seems like everyone except Sony is hilariously out of touch these days. Not that anyone really gives two shits about selling one-off controllers to people who don't want their consoles in the first place. Sigh.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 07:56:17 2014 No.1397610

>>1397604
Mayflash made some kind of wireless dongle for the Wii U Pro Controllers though.

http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Wii-Pro-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00E6553PW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392036726&sr=8-1

I don't have one, but the option certainly exists.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 08:07:18 2014 No.1397617

>>1397610
Right now I'm using a Mayflash adapter for the Classic Controller Pro, which sadly was the only thing available for a long time that had a decent D-pad. I'll keep rocking that until the Xbone driver comes out. It's just kind of a bummer that it has no L3/R3/analog triggers. I'd really like to try Dark Souls before the end of the fucking year.

As far as straight retro goes, that's probably the best thing available imo. It'll only set you back around $20 total too.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 08:46:17 2014 No.1397645

>>1397594
>You know something is wrong when your competitor's similar product is more compatible with your operating system and your product isn't
Thank you for pointing this out, Microsoft is becoming so damn cash hungry they're forgetting about Fucking Microsoft [/%]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 08:56:17 2014 No.1397653 >>1396818 On the first few shipments they're pretty bad. But they have long since fixed any issues.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 18:08:33 2014 No.1398381
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>>1397653
The twisty D-Pads still aren't all that flash, but at least it's an improvement

>>1397617
I've got an adapter for it too, though only with the original Classic Controller. I might look into a Pro version but they sell for around the same price as a Gamecube controller on Amazon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 18:24:03 2014 No.1398396 >>1396593 TELL ME THE DPAD IS GOOD. I must have this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 18:36:33 2014 No.1398417 >>1398396 I do have it, but I'm not sure what to compare the D-Pad to because I haven't touched that many from older consoles At the very least, you can tweak the deadzone and rotate it sideways by 20 degrees. Otherwise I would say it's pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 18:40:34 2014 No.1398419 >>1398417 That's nuts. but googling doesn't find it for me, what the hell is it called?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 18:41:03 2014 No.1398420 >>1398419 Hori Fighting Commander 3 Pro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 18:43:52 2014 No.1398423 >>1398420 Found it, and it's only 35 bucks, that's pretty reasonable for a pad this nice. Gotta get this later, bookmarking for later, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 19:16:03 2014 No.1398474 I just use a PS3 controller over bluetooth

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:01:05 2014 No.1398893
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We should make one of these for controllers, /vr/ style. Based on this thread and amazon reviews, ive got:

>God Tier
Dualshock 4 - Limited native windows support
Xbox One Controller - Windows driver not released yet
Buffalo Gamepads

>Good Tier
Dualshock 3 - 3rd party windows support only
Gamecube Controller with adapter - Is this placement correct?

>OK Tier
xbox 360 - Terrible d-pad, good ergonomics
xbox 360 transformer - better d-pad, but durability issues
afterglow 360 - better dpad, mixed reviews
dualshock 2 with adapter

>Bad Tier
Wii Classic Pro Controller
Wii U Classic Pro Controller

>Shit Tier
Everything else.
Madcatz
Sabrient
Logitech
Etekcity
Retrolink

Not too sure where to put the hori controllers. Do you guys agree with this list?

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:09:34 2014 No.1398898

okay. i have a problem:

i have an android tablet but stupidly enough, no bluetooth, no joystick.ko, but it does have usb otg and worked with my wireless keyboard.

any joystick which being registered as keyboard and not connected with bluetooth?

i remember icontrolpad and ipega have keyboard mode, but both are bluetooth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:09:34 2014 No.1398901 >>1398893 Needs X-Arcade and/or custom arcade sticks in god tier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:22:34 2014 No.1398925 >>1398893 Different people want different things from gamepads, and there are different philosophies. It's not the same as mice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:23:34 2014 No.1398928 >>1398901 I was going to bring up arcade sticks but that would probably need to be an entirely different discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:39:35 2014 No.1398958 >>1398893 >all that shit better than classic controller or Wii U Pro Is this bait?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:43:04 2014 No.1398964 >>1398958 People in this thread are hating on it pretty hard, and the amazon reviews aren't great either.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:44:34 2014 No.1398967

>>1398925
This. Stick placement, D-pad style preference, the size of your hands... This is all 100% subjective and dependent on the games you play. I could make the best case in the world for my controller of choice and there will always be a dozen people ready to call me a dumbass for it.

But in any case, the Classic Controller Pro doesn't deserve bad-tier status. It's a solid controller (particularly for /vr/) and the price is right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:49:34 2014 No.1398976 >>1398964 Every post I've seen in this thread about it seems to be praising it, perhaps you should get your eyes checked.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:51:05 2014 No.1398983

>>1398893

I had an issue with the Buffalo SNES gamepad I got with randomly disconnects, that should be added as a note.

And how the fuck does a Gamecube controller rank higher than the Wii classic pro controller? Yes, the GC controller is comfy but that D-pad is fucking tiny

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:53:34 2014 No.1398989 >>1398976 please see >>1397617 >>1397604 >>1396887 as for the good reviews, one guy said its "godlike" and another guy said the battery lasts 80 hours

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:56:34 2014 No.1398997 >>1398983 That unorthodox face button arrangement also works against the GCN controller for controlling retro games. >>1398989 Only one of those posts mentions anything specific (which is a complement: "decent D-pad") about the Classic Controller Pro.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:59:39 2014 No.1399003

>>1398967
I'm the guy you're replying too and funnily enough, the Wii controller was one thing I disagreed on enough to write the post.

Also there are some people who absolutely demolish using those clicky d-sticks like SNK controllers have and would aggressively place them over all other d-pads - and likewise the Saturn controller is extremely beloved by some people.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:00:39 2014 No.1399007

>>1398983
>And how the fuck does a Gamecube controller rank higher than the Wii classic pro controller?
I'm convinced it's mostly nostalgia talking, just like when people praise the Dreamcast controller. The button arrangement on the GCN is second to none, but there's a lot of weird shit to contend with. One digital trigger, that bizarre C-stick, barely functional D-pad...

>>1398997
>unorthodox face button arrangement also works against the GCN controller
I disagree, and feel that this is actually its greatest strength. The larger primary button allows you to press it in combination with all three other face buttons, unlike the typical diamond configuration which only allows combos with two. That's just that much more functionality and it's great for fighters if nothing else, while subtracting nothing from its usefulness with retro games.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:01:39 2014 No.1399009

>>1398997
>I don't know what /vr/ thinks, but I think it's shit.
>I honestly can't think of one good thing to say about it.
>No official driver
>fucked up the button placement
>kind of a bummer that it has no L3/R3/analog triggers

Are you an illiterate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:02:40 2014 No.1399015 >>1399009 You're combining two different controllers, bro.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:05:09 2014 No.1399024
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>>1399007

You know what would be a great retro controller? Pic Related. Too bad they're so fucking expensive

Goddamnit Hori your controllers are wonderful but why do you only make like 4 of them

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:07:39 2014 No.1399026 >>1399015 Which two am I combining, bro? Answer carefully.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:08:39 2014 No.1399034 >>1399024 >that button placement are you high? playing snes with one of those makes me want to kill myself

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:09:09 2014 No.1399036

>>1399026
The Wii U Pro Controller and the Wii Classic Controller Pro. The former has no driver and fucked up button placement. The latter lacks a few bells and whistles while still being "the best thing available" in the opinion of the person you quoted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:11:09 2014 No.1399039 >>1399034 Protip: map B to A and the rest accordingly. The button placement is just fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:14:10 2014 No.1399047 >>1399039 No, no it's not. The literal physical placement of the jellybeans and the circle buttons is shit. you can't fix that except by buying a non-shit controller

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:15:09 2014 No.1399048 >>1399047 Explain, please.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:16:09 2014 No.1399052

>>1399036
>The former has no driver and fucked up button placement
Why does it need a driver? it's not meant for pc but the usb adapters work fine, this is a non complaint.
What the fuck is wrong with the button placement as well? You people find the most inconsequential shit to bitch about

CC pro> DS3 and 360 pad

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:17:09 2014 No.1399056 So basically: move the Wii Classic Pro up (but not the Wii U Pro) move the gamecube controller down add arcade sticks to god tier and im getting the feeling people like hori controllers, ok tier? good tier?

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:22:10 2014 No.1399061
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>>1399056
>people like Hori
You think?

This could go on forever, you know. Also not all arcade sticks are created equal. Sanwa/Real arcade parts make a huge difference, but many people would still put a cheap arcade stick over any control pad. Many would feel exactly the opposite.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:24:40 2014 No.1399065

>>1399052
>Why does it need a driver? it's not meant for pc but the usb adapters work fine, this is a non complaint.
Because it means you need to buy extra shit? It's not like the CCP which costs like ten dollars.

>What the fuck is wrong with the button placement as well? You people find the most inconsequential shit to bitch about
It's down at the bottom in the secondary position, elevating the right stick to the primary which is literally only good for shooters which you shouldn't play with a controller in the first place.

>CC pro> DS3 and 360 pad
Wait, are you talking about the CCP here? What was that about being illiterate again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:25:11 2014 No.1399067 >>1399061 I would kill to have that controller, a 64, and a 64 flash cart.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:31:10 2014 No.1399076
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>>1398928
/fgg/ made a list of sticks. Not sure how obsolete it is now, though.

>>1398893
Put Wii Classic Controller Pro in good, Wii U Pro Controller in maybe okay since I usually hear nothing but praise from it on this site, barring stick placement. The regular Wii Classic Controller maybe goes into okay.

Hori Fighting Command 3 Pro should be put in okay or good, though limited to games without requiring analog sticks

Demote GCN to okay given how its button layout works very well for some games, but doesn't at all for others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:32:10 2014 No.1399078 >>1397420 yeah those Turbo Duo guys are weird.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:41:10 2014 No.1399091 so, any recommendation as to where I could obtain a mayflash adapter?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:45:10 2014 No.1399097 >>1399067 So you would kill for $200-$250 - how's that feel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:45:40 2014 No.1399096 >>1399091 Tried Amazon?

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:46:10 2014 No.1399098
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>>1399007
The Gamecube face button layout obviously works for the games that were made for the Gamecube but the problem is it is inherently less flexible than the classic rhombus design. A lot of retro games were designed around the rhombus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:48:40 2014 No.1399103 File: 22 KB, 600x380, Ohgodwhy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Clearly this is the best retro controller

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:51:10 2014 No.1399108 >>1399103 Someones been playing too much minecraft.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:52:40 2014 No.1399110

>>1399096
well, there's that, but I had terrible experience with amazon, especially because I lived in southeast asia and they could just went f you and I could do nothing about it... last time, I buy 50$ books and got charged 70 dollars for shipping, JUST BEFORE the items received.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:54:40 2014 No.1399114 >>1399110 Are you sure it's a problem with Amazon itself and not the supplier you bought them from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:58:27 2014 No.1399123 >>1399114 dunno, amazon response was terrible, they was quite close to, "i'm sorry, there is nothing we could do" automated response... ... eh to clarify, i bought from amazon.co.jp, so there's that language barrier I presume...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 01:01:56 2014 No.1399128 >>1399103 what the fuck? the start/select aren't even squares? that ruins the only appeal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 01:02:27 2014 No.1399131 >>1399103 >Diagonal pixels >>1399123 I'm using the US Amazon and I can get stuff to New Zealand finely, so I'm not sure how else I can help

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 01:07:27 2014 No.1399135 >>1399123 >>1399131 your reply is much appreciated regardless, mate.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 02:07:56 2014 No.1399214

>>1398893

I use a Classic Controller for all my gamepadly needs. Literally the only flaw is lack of stick clicking for modern games But i could always use buttons on the wiimote if need be (i use it through a bluetooth adapter rather than a usb one). Also that Madcatz on there is only if you don't count the arcade sticks, which should definitely be bumped to at least good for gamest that are for arcade sticks

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 14:26:07 2014 No.1399938 >>1396563 I use an xbox360 wired controller with winxp drivers, and use xpadder to emulate buttons on my keyboard, and map functions to my keyboard rather than using shitty controller support. Works just fine.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 16:52:30 2014 No.1400223

>>1396585
I personally would advise not getting an 360 Afterflow controller.

My first one worked fine for a year until the X button became completely unresponsive due to the brakes at the base of the buttons breaking, causing the button to be jammed into the controller when touched and not bouncing back out.

My second one has problems with both of the bumbers, you have to hit a certain sweet spot and with more force for them to work properly. Also the left stick is in a constant state of being pressed/unpressed.

Last month I bought a new one from a store, opened it up, and the A button was sticky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 19:05:40 2014 No.1402668 >>1398893 I think I might make this list come into fruition. Any other changes that should be made before I make it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 20:43:16 2014 No.1402871 I am a Genny fan, and I am currently using a DS4 for my emulation needs. But I would like to downgrade to a controller with the 6 button layout that has about the same feel as the real deal but a USB. Any suggestions for a 6 button usb controller?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 20:54:16 2014 No.1402885 >>1396563 Fuck yeah, nigger! I'm on vacation with my laptop and brought that thing! The controller is just amazing; buy it now nigga!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 20:56:16 2014 No.1402887 >>1396563 buy it; the controller is top-fucking tier brought it on vacation with me for chill Earthbound sessions

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 21:06:17 2014 No.1402909 >>1396627 Aye, laddie, I have both of them. They're top-tier shit; specially the Famicom variant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 21:08:47 2014 No.1402913 >>1396637 They're fucking amazing, anon-kun. I know I sound crazy, but they're just amazing >Famicom >Perfect >Super Famicom >D-Pad stiffer FEELING than OG, but responds excellently >Buttons don't audibly click, subjective whether or not that's a con

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 21:10:47 2014 No.1402919 >>1396653 >>1397497 I dunno, I was playing Wii emus and the gameplay felt delayed by just the tiniest fraction of a second. Maybe it's my TV or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 21:46:50 2014 No.1402986 >>1402871 Hori Fighting Commander 3 Pro or an original Sega Saturn controller Both don't have analog sticks but have good D-Pads and six buttons on the face

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 21:50:50 2014 No.1402997 >>1402986 I don't use the analog for Genny anyways. I prefer dpad.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 12:53:13 2014 No.1404135

>>1396563
Your best bet is to get a a something along the lines of this: http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=69&osCsid=6d6685921756a0dd74be46b10288c32e
(though, I wouldn't dare pay that sort of price)

Basically it allows you to use your own controller, while still having the luxury of using a usb. They make them for pretty much every controller imaginable

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 12:56:43 2014 No.1404141 mine came in the mail about two days ago it feels pretty nice and it's got a great d-pad, i've tested it out on a few fighting games and haven't had any problems at all. my only issue is the cable seems a little flimsy

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 13:30:01 2014 No.1404198

>>1397653
>>1398381
The problem is with the design of the dpad and I don't think they ever fixed it with the 360 controller (even with the swappable dpad model). In short, there is a small bump in the middle of the circular piece of plastic that the dpad ends up pivoting on above the actual contacts for the buttons. Because of that, whenever a direction is pressed it is very easy for the dpad to shift into the diagonal directions when you only want horizontal/vertical directions.

I couldn't stand it and ended up getting a DS3 for playing emulators and fighting games. I still prefer the 360 controller overall, especially for games using the analog sticks, but the dpad really does suck. I think I'll try a DS4 or maybe Xbone controller once they are less expensive.

>>	Is this the right place for this? Anonymous Thu Feb 13 14:27:49 2014 No.1404325 File: 12 KB, 175x288, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this the right place for this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 14:39:49 2014 No.1404354 >>1399098 A is the most used button though. it is the hub of the button layout, and all the other buttons are accessible from it. It was designed with 3rd person action platformer games in mind rather than fighting games.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 14:42:19 2014 No.1404361

>>1404354

If you're trying to play something you've played for years on a rhombus it feels like ass. And even if it theoretically looks good, it just ends up feeling weird even when you try to play games you've never played much before. I tried and tried to get used to it with Mega Man X, but I just couldn't.

It's like typing on a dvorak keyboard. You think it's gonna get easier, but it just doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 14:46:19 2014 No.1404367 >>1404361 I don't have a problem switching between GCN and PS2. It must be a brain problem with you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 14:49:49 2014 No.1404378 File: 68 KB, 500x375, horixb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GOAT Controller coming through. Everyone else get the fuck out of the way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 15:19:36 2014 No.1404420 File: 10 KB, 272x185, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1404378 I'm curious, what makes a Hori controller superior? have you examined one from the inside? Can you post what is inside of yours?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 15:52:32 2014 No.1404480 Why don't any companies make wired controllers with microUSB ends for phones and tablets?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 15:55:32 2014 No.1404486 >>1404480 Just get an OTG cable for like $2

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 16:00:02 2014 No.1404505 >>1404480 Most phones and tablets capable of running emulators at playable speeds have BlueTooth.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 16:01:02 2014 No.1404506

>>1404480
Tried connecting my PS-style USB controller to my rooted Nook Color one time. The SNES emulator picked up some but not all of the buttons. Could map the buttons of a portable USB keyboard alright, but then discovered that the emulator couldn't pick up more than one simultaneous key press, thus rendering impossible platformers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 16:08:32 2014 No.1404516 What's the best way to map a Saturn controller to a ps2 controller?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 16:32:25 2014 No.1404560 >>1404367 maybe u ain't gud enough for it make a difference

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 17:27:59 2014 No.1404670 DS3 master race reportan for duty No but really I'd much rather use a snes usb controller. Its stupid as fuck when i unplug my ds3 my ps3 turns on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 17:43:00 2014 No.1404694 >>1404516 start by buying a controller with a connected dpad

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 19:59:23 2014 No.1404876 >>1404378 I had one of these years ago. It was nice but the sensitivity on the right stick was weird, and then the wire got a short in it.

>>	CA_Abdulio Thu Feb 13 20:08:19 2014 No.1404891 >>1396625 >Get a wired 360 controller and never look back Not on a mac

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 20:20:49 2014 No.1404915 Seriously, if you've got a PS3, just use your dualshock 3. Saves you having to buy another controller, and it works like a charm.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 20:32:49 2014 No.1404939

>>1396585
One more vote against the afterglow.
The controller worked fine for a while, but after a certain point it just falls the fuck apart.

After 70 or so hours of dark souls the RB's little clicky pad fell loose and into the bottom of the handle. It still works, but the sensitivity is off.

It would be an easy enough fix... if the screws that held the thing together weren't already pre-stripped making the situation a no go. Because the screws are placed directly into the circuit board I fear to take a drill to it.

Additionally, the left thumbpad's rubber broke at around 50 hours in, and became an issue around 20 hours later, needing to be removed entirely.

The d-pad is incredibly inprecise, but this is how I feel with all 360 style controllers. Not something you want to rely on with older games.

Additionally, the face buttons go in too deep and you will cut your fingers up on the sharp plastic surrounding the button holes.

If you want a controller that only has a 50-100 hour lifespan, by all means. I am not rough with my controllers, in fact this is the first controller I've ever had that straight up turned to dust through use.

It's a shame, really. They look pretty cool

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 21:36:09 2014 No.1405043

I know it's USB controllers but have there ever been a Bluetooth SNES controller? Hyperkin has its pixel controller that is USB only but they had mentioned having a Bluetooth variant that so far hasn't seen the light of day.

I can build one myself but I was looking to order a few if they existed and would like to save some work/time.

>>	BEHOLD MY CREATION Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:13:41 2014 No.1405324 File: 2.04 MB, 1200x3500, vr controller list.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Probably like 3 hours in paint.net right here

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:14:41 2014 No.1405325 >>1404891 not ever, 360 pad is the shittest of shit tiers for retro. modern console port-fest pc games? sure

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:15:41 2014 No.1405327 >>1405043 just get a classic controller, from someone who grew up with a SNES, it's literally the same shit with more capabilities for other games, and the cc pro is so goddamn good. like damn

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:18:41 2014 No.1405330 >>1405324 This is pretty much spot on, a lot of people talk shit about the CC pro, but honestly holding it in your hands just MAKES you want to play games. do you know what I mean?

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:22:41 2014 No.1405338

>>1405330
No, ive never used one before, but everyone in this entire thread has been claiming its the second coming of christ in controller-form this entire time. /vr/s face has classic controller pro jizz running down its beard. I figured you guys must know what you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:33:41 2014 No.1405363 >>1405324 For the price, I've only had good experiences with retrolink controllers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:37:41 2014 No.1405372 >>1405324 Fuck your cheap shit taste, i am sure you haven't even tried half of these dearly Logitech master race

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:44:41 2014 No.1405380 >>1405324 >only acceptable controllers >god tier, shit tier, >assorted /v/ dumbfuckery Compose yourself.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:52:41 2014 No.1405394
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I suppose a PS4 controller is pretty comfy, but I can't imagine playing an NES game on one. It's just too ergonomic and soft feeling.

The feel of controllers makes a big difference to me. I want a hard, rigid, almost click feel to my buttons and d-pad for that system. The other systems have their own particular qualities.

Using a PS3/4 or 360 controller seems a bit...sterile. Nostalgia heavily influencing here of course. From a purely technical perspective the new controllers probably outperform in every category.

Personally, for years I used a Microsoft Sidewinder game pad. My emu PC has an old PCI soundblaster card with a gameport, so I bust it out every so often. Feels pretty good for very old stuff, and is of course appropriate for 90s PC gaming. You can commonly find them at thrift stores for about a dollar. If you've got the connection, why not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:56:36 2014 No.1405398 >>1405338 it's a worthy successor to the comfiness of the GC controller. Like when I hold it I literally feel bad that it wasn't a main controller for a more traditional console, if that makes sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:57:36 2014 No.1405404 >>1405324 I feel you should add razer to the shit tier list

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:57:36 2014 No.1405405 >>1405372 logitech controllers are shit though, one of them I bought had a square gate for the analogs... instant shit tier

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 00:58:36 2014 No.1405408 >>1405380 >implying tier lists aren't heavily ingrained into 4chan culture as a whole you really need to learn how to chill the fuck out

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:01:36 2014 No.1405410

>>1405324
The xbox one controller has an enormous flaw for people who never fucked around with modern systems.

It has an analog stick in the place where the directional pad should be.

The d-pad being far to the right and too low compared to the buttons is incredibly disconcerting if all you've ever used are analog-less controllers. Look how far you have to reach over to use it! Completely changes the natural thumb position from almost every retro console.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:02:06 2014 No.1405414

>>1405405
priority is the dpad an the dpad is superb on the one i have, or at least in my experience, better than 360's and dualshock 2 -3

this guy however lists the 360's as a good controller when its widely known to have a bad dpad, and the NGC ? that thing has the worst dpad placement ever

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:03:06 2014 No.1405417 >>1405408 It's not /vr/ culture. We talk like human beings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:15:36 2014 No.1405446 >>1405414 The only thing below ok tier is stuff that doesnt even work. I mean for all the faults of the 360 d-pad, it does actually function.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:24:36 2014 No.1405465 >>1405394 the d-pad looks awful how do you use it

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:29:21 2014 No.1405478 >>1405465 You just do. It's actually pretty good. Feels very stiff.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:39:51 2014 No.1405491
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>>1405404
Thats a good suggestion.

Also can I get a conformation that retrolink is not actually garbage? Every single retrolink product on amazon has like 2.5-3 stars. The case looks pretty solid for it being shit tier.

Do you guys really care all that much about using shit tier and god tier, or did I just ruffle some christfags feathers?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:41:22 2014 No.1405495 >>1405491 retrolink is definitely ass, it's probably just a couple of anons with buyer's remorse trying to justify the cash they wasted on a horrible product, you'll see that a lot here, like the dude defending that piece of shit logitech controller

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:41:51 2014 No.1405494 >>1405491 i bought 2 of the saturn controllers and both of the dpad rockers are actually in some shitty ass cross shape and the legs snapped off after like 2 hours of game time. They are fucking trash

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:43:21 2014 No.1405502 >>1405446 Do you realize how bottom of the barrel it is to say something just "functions"? I'm sure a lot of chink controllers "function" too, but that doesn't mean I'm going buy that shit when there's way better controllers out there

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:43:21 2014 No.1405503 Anyone here know of an adapter so you can plug in a Sega Saturn controller into a PC through USB or PS/2? How would drivers work for these things anyway?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:45:51 2014 No.1405506 >>1397425 vastly overrated by sega fanboys for sure, tried one for the first time recently and all I can think was "is this really it? this dpad is ass, and the six button layout doesn't really do anything special..."

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:46:21 2014 No.1405507 >>1397568 >buying microshit products it's like you ENJOY getting fucked

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:47:52 2014 No.1405509

>>1405502
Well its not as bottom of the barrel as something that does not function. I dont know what you want man, its not like I made it top tier or something. It cant get any lower without the list no longer making sense.

Besides, while priority was put on the d-pad, its not the only thing that matters. There are a lot of retro games that use the sticks, and the native windows support is pretty nice. Its durability is great too. On top of that have its ergonomics, which most people seem to like. I think OK tier is a decent place to put it. Its not amazing, or great, or even good, but its ok.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:48:51 2014 No.1405512 >>1405494 Saturn's dpad is unbelievably bad, it puzzles me to this day as to why the fanbase for it is so rapid when there are a metric fuckton of superior devices out there

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:49:51 2014 No.1405515 >>1405491 you just pissed off 1 retard, that's all

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:52:21 2014 No.1405521 >>1405512 Not on the Japanese one, which was the second controller outside of Japan. Even the first American model's isn't as bad as the Turbo Touch or some early Sidewinder controllers from Microsoft.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:55:51 2014 No.1405528

I bought a DS3 for emulation and I like it, but the D-pad sucks, and makes my fingers hurt after playing with it for more than ten minutes. I have no idea what to do next. Wii U Pro was a the top of my list, but now everyone is shitting on it, when it was always circlejerked in every other thread it was brought up in. IS just buying an original SNES controller and getting an adapter worth it? Should I get a DS4 instead? Every one of these threads I enter I get told something completely different, and now I'm back at square one again. I'm mostly interested in the D-pad. It has to be amazing, because everyone says the DS3 D-pad was good and it was shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:56:21 2014 No.1405530 >>1405491 >o you guys really care all that much about using shit tier and god tier, or did I just ruffle some christfags feathers? It's not christfag shit, it's juvenile BS that doesn't have a place on this board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:57:52 2014 No.1405534 So I tried the Buffalo. My only complaint is that its a tad hard to achieve diagonals. Might just be my controller, I dunno. Regardless, I still wanna order a second one. Good shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 02:06:51 2014 No.1405542 >>1405512 im talking about the retrobit saturn controllers. Regular sega saturn controllers do have awesome dpads i dont know what pieces of shit you were using but they are awesome for fightan games

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 02:13:10 2014 No.1405549 >>1405530 Yeah, our super serious board about video games. Cool logic, bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 02:14:09 2014 No.1405550 >>1405542 dpads on rockers are inaccurate as fuck and not tactile enough

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 02:15:09 2014 No.1405551 >>1405550 no ones where you can press down the middle and hit all 4 directions at once are trash

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 02:18:09 2014 No.1405556 >>1405551 And what shit dpads are YOU using, sir?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 02:44:39 2014 No.1405589 File: 2.26 MB, 1200x3500, vr controller list.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Latest version and im going to bed. Added a note about fighting sticks, the abandon all hope line, centered the trash man, cleaned up the razer picture a bit

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:54:10 2014 No.1405918 >>1405324 >>1405589 >Motionjoy >Not the SCP Driver Package for DS2, DS3, and DS4

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:58:39 2014 No.1405924 >>1405589 Where do original ecksbawks controllers fit into this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:03:09 2014 No.1405929 >>1405589 >No driver issues to worry about for Buffalo I see that since the box says it goes all the way back to Windows 98, but how is it with Linux?

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:08:39 2014 No.1405931

>>1405929
Speaking of Buffalo, a word of caution:

A fried of mine bought a Buffalo controller (the SNES one in the OP, in fact), and when he plugged it in persistently disconnected on him, always reconnecting again a moment later. He gave me the controller and it does exactly the same for me.

On the plus side, he called the company and they gave him a refund literally without him even needing to ask.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:13:17 2014 No.1406045 >>1405931 Try using a powered USB hub. That happens sometimes when the power isnt strong enough. Are you connecting through some terrifyingly long USB cable or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:20:17 2014 No.1406049 File: 15 KB, 730x413, but-.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1406045 Direct connection to my laptop. I suppose it can't hurt to try this. Testing it now through my Gamemon hub...

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:27:17 2014 No.1406064 File: 32 KB, 509x369, 1362380094230.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1406045 Holy balls I think it's staying connected

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:29:47 2014 No.1406068 File: 76 KB, 500x552, 1373859574508.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1406045 Nevermind. Started pushing buttons on it and it d/c'd itself and my ecksbawks controller.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 11:58:26 2014 No.1406189

>>1405929
Judging from the amazon reviews it works fine.

>This product is absolutely perfect. The control itself is very responsive and all of the buttons are satisfying to press. I was able to get mine working within seconds on my Linux laptop. The only issue that I have is that I didn't order a second one for my brother!

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 12:04:23 2014 No.1406207 File: 25 KB, 500x500, 0113020118404d9b1fc0d9fa2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1405414 seconding this, pic related has a god-tier dpad

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 12:08:23 2014 No.1406218

>>1405924
I have no idea. Amazon has a few adapters, but they all have terrible reviews. A lot of people hated the original xbox controller, here is some stuff from wikipedia.

>it was awarded "Blunder of the Year" by Game Informer in 2001,[4] a Guinness World Record for the biggest controller in Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2008, and was ranked the second worst video game controller ever by IGN editor Craig Harris.[5]

Would you guys agree with bad tier?

>>1405918
Is there a tutorial on dualshock drivers floating around here? MotionInJoy works fine for me, but apparently there are lots of options available.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:44:59 2014 No.1407325

>>1406218
>Is there a tutorial on dualshock drivers floating around here? MotionInJoy works fine for me, but apparently there are lots of options available.

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Recommended_Controllers

>>1405446
>The only thing below ok tier is stuff that doesnt even work.

Wii U Pro Controller (under bad) works finely and has a PC adapter made for it, but it's a love it or hate it controller.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:36:22 2014 No.1407537 What about the Neo Geo clicky pads? My brother's got one and I've tried it. It takes a little getting used to but it's 'okay'. Is there any way of making their activation point more sensitive? That's the single most flawed element of the pad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:07:40 2014 No.1407557 File: 7 KB, 240x179, PXL sitj01.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1405324 Ripping into madcatz that much in a retro thing... :-(

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:12:40 2014 No.1407561 File: 286 KB, 600x450, oooh-kay.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1405589 No thrustmaster.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:28:10 2014 No.1407573

>>1404354
>>1404361
This was deliberate. They very carefully tried to design the Game Cube to be approachable like the NES was. Back in the day, lots of moms would play their kids' Ninendos and Game Boys when they weren't around, because it was an inherently simple system. You control a guy with a d-pad and there are two buttons to work with. It wasn't 'til the SNES and later that things got too complicated for regular people to intuitively understand what the fuck they were supposed to be doing.

With the Game Cube, they were trying to get back to that. You've got a great big A button, so it's very obvious that that's the one you press to say "ok." It seems like a simple thing, but for example my dad has owned a PS3 for years, watches Netflix on the damn thing every day, and *still* has to look at the controller every time he uses it to figure out where "X" is.

Unfortunately people took this as meaning "the Game Cube is for little kids," and they didn't really go far enough (like they eventually did with the Wii) to make it something that normal people would want to play, but the *idea* was there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:33:11 2014 No.1407583 File: 41 KB, 675x450, 21020125_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How many of you guys have this fucker?

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:38:41 2014 No.1407586

Is there a controller moding/custom-built scene like there is for arcade sticks and mechanical keyboards?

Imagine face buttons and d-pads with clicky microswitches. I'd eat that shit right up, but I'm not going to break out the dremel and fuck up a good controller to do so, and I don't even know where you'd begin making a controller body from scratch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:39:10 2014 No.1407587 >>1407561 That would fall into the "everything else" category on the bottom there

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:58:13 2014 No.1407613

>>1407586
You could look for 3d printable designs. The buttons are just plastic, so as long as they are designed to fit a given controllers body, you should be able to redo a d-pad or something.

If you have ever opened up the guts of a controller, the buttons are actually really simple. Basically the hard plastic top part (that your finger touches) crushes a rubbery bubble down into a conductive sensor. Basically the metallic bottom of the rubber completes the circuit, and the controller knows a button has been pressed. So we would just swap out the plastic top with one that feels better, and the rubber part would stay the same.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:04:42 2014 No.1407617

>>1396563
i got pissed because a year ago i bought this retro NES controller that looked really good and got positive reviews
i get it in the mail

i take it out

paper light, thin flimsy plastic
weird sharpness to it because of the thin plastic

a BIG gaping rectangular pit in the back for no reason that makes it feel incredibly weird to hold

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:15:58 2014 No.1407621
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One thing I'd really like to do is design a new set of gamepads aimed at retro enthusiasts that isn't cheap cash-in garbage and with autist-level dedication in design and craftsmanship. Only thing is i know absolutely nothing about making gamepads or how to go about the process. I just want to see a new gamepad in 2014 that doesn't have shit d-pads and mediocre face buttons.

Until then, these bad motherfuckers remain the king of 2D gamepads If you're willing to shell out over $100 to get one these days.

Hands down the perfect controller for 2D gaming. Nothing will ever come close. Absolutely. Nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:16:28 2014 No.1407624 >>1407583 my favorite controller for pc

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:25:18 2014 No.1407664 >>1407621 >six face buttons Nope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:30:18 2014 No.1407668 File: 5 KB, 300x300, 31utfvsgBqL._SY300_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, what is a good adaptor for the wii controller pro? This one seems to have nice reviews, but I wonder if there are better ones, including the other one by mayflash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:32:18 2014 No.1407671 >>1407668 Does the Wii U controller even communicate wired when connected to the console or is that really only used for charging it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:36:48 2014 No.1407673 Are there any good microswitch dpads that use usb? I've seen the ps3/360 ones but they all have hit or miss reviews.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 06:24:24 2014 No.1407763

>>1407668
I've got that adapter, works fine. According to Amazon reviews for the other one, it doesn't work as well.

>>1407671
Wii U Pro =/= Wii Controller Pro and that adapter clearly has Wiimote extension ports

He forgot to add classic in there, though. You're not the first in this thread to get confused with the two

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 08:07:14 2014 No.1407882 >>1407763 Ohhh, yeah those looked like miniUSB ports to me at first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 08:44:02 2014 No.1407936 what are good controllers I can get for: N64, SATURN, DC, GC and I suppose a standard controller (unless x360 controllers are okay?)

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 09:06:32 2014 No.1407961

>>1407668
I have that one. It works great, but be aware that it does this thing (at least for me) where you can't leave it plugged in all the time or it'll act like you're holding down buttons constantly when you're not. Once you disconnect and then reconnect it, it's fine.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 09:11:51 2014 No.1407964

>>1397408
Hello. You called?

Was hanging out on /g/ these days.

>>1399938
It's a 360 pad. It's literally made by Microsoft. Why do you need to emulate keys?

>>1407586
Not really.

That's why keyboards and arcade sticks are so flexible. You can customize the buttons, keys and switches to give you maximum comfort.

You could attempt to screw around with the controller electronics, but they sure as hell weren't designed for that.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 09:21:50 2014 No.1407983

>>1397420
So what? Since when being a console gamer means you cannot appreciate a keyboard?

Especially since the only valid arguments against a keyboard are:

>muh authentic retro experience
>analog controls

Which are perfectly fine reasons not to use one, but still.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 10:30:22 2014 No.1408061
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>>1396563
http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/snes_nes_usb/index_en.php
if you have basic knowledge of electronics you can build this
for the plug you can use an extension cable or nes four score

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:15:31 2014 No.1408283 File: 50 KB, 600x608, Firestorm20Digital20_b7b3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1407561 They don't make all those awesome oddball pads anymore, just silly console controller clones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:20:30 2014 No.1408295 File: 180 KB, 640x480, wingman tilt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1407983 You're an idiot, keyboards fucking suck, even COMPLETE pc gamers can understand that!

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:24:30 2014 No.1408307

>>1407964
>It's a 360 pad. It's literally made by Microsoft. Why do you need to emulate keys?
Not that guy, but official Microsoft drivers have RT and LT fucked. They're both bound to the Z Axis, RT is positive, LT is negative. If you're emulating Ocarina of Time for isntance, and you bind R to RT, and Z to LT, you can't Z-Target and Shield at the same time, because they cancel each other out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:39:30 2014 No.1408337 File: 230 KB, 1104x856, 1392489559587.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1407587 >>1408283 Hey, what about this, is it any good? They got rid of the obnoxious ferrari branding ... well, sort of.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:48:02 2014 No.1408351

Are there any companies that make original, high-quality pads for PC anymore? I remember my brother had an old Microsoft pad, and I never really liked it, but it was better for 2D than the 360 pad. I don't really know much of USB pads anymore, except they're typically 360 pads which work on windows or cheap chinese saturn/snes knockoffs.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:54:30 2014 No.1408364

>>1408295
>literally no arguments
>i tried playing a game on it once with a shitty layout and personally didn't like it

You're the idiot.

>>1408307
Oh yeah, I've always thought that was retarded as well. It's not that the triggers are analog, it's that they're on the same fucking axis.

>>1408351
PCs have much better choices in input devices. From keyboards of all kinds to genre-specialized controllers like flight sticks that are as good as the amount of money you want to pay.

You've got console controllers from all brands. They will all work on a computer. You can even use a Wiimote. The reason gamepads aren't made for PC is because they simply aren't needed. They're made strictly for a living room environment. If you're playing on a computer, you don't really need a controller since you have a keyboard in front of you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:59:00 2014 No.1408380 >>1396568 Dont have a ps4 yet, but that hoopla about the analog stick cover wearing out, is that true or just bs? I plan to do the same thing as you, Im actually going to use a ps3 controller when type 0 is translated but upgrade to ps4 once I get one.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 13:59:31 2014 No.1408378

>>1407964
What I do is bind some controls to volume control, esc, mouse and right mouse etc. Then, I can combine my custom configuration with the pad support built into the emulator and make everything much easier.

I can also use the gamepad on games with poor or no controller support by binding controls on my 360 pad to keyboard controls.

>>1408364
There are some games such as Guilty Gear XX and Isuka that are available on PC that are much, much better with controllers. However I'd rather not play a game at all than have to play a PC FPS with a gamepad using mapped keys.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:03:30 2014 No.1408384

>>1408380
>but that hoopla about the analog stick cover wearing out, is that true or just bs?
It's total bullshit. You'd have to take a razor to it or something. It's the same rubber material as older DualShock sticks, but with a different shape on top.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:07:30 2014 No.1408396
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>>1408378
I play fighting games just fine with a keyboard. I can easily play Zangief on a keyboard.

Before you people moan about circular motions, remember that you don't necessarily have to use the arrow keys to move. You could lay the movement keys to hjkl, or something like that. Picture somewhat related.

Controller people don't tend to think outside the box like that. Nintendo told them directional buttons were cross shape, so it must always be like that. I guess they simply aren't used to the power of being able to remap your controls. Yeah, most retro games probably didn't even have that option; you'd be stuck with the default and you better like it. Some shitty developers still don't give you that option to this day, making them just a little less worse than Hitler.

And yeah, first person shooters are only playable with a mouse. That is the only real way to play them. Anyone using a controller will lose. Cross-platform multiplayer is an anti-feature for that reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:12:00 2014 No.1408407 File: 397 KB, 400x534, trash-overflow.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408337 >360 dpad Maximum over trashed.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:17:50 2014 No.1408418

>>1408396
It's a lot more fun to sit 10 feet away from the monitor and lazily play a fighting game at 2 in the morning. It's too much of a bother to change my controls when what I have works really well.

I'd suggest you try and play ps1 games with a keyboard. It's a royal pain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:33:05 2014 No.1408454 File: 37 KB, 405x356, forcefx.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408364 >2014 >still being a blind idiot >counting straw men as wholesome bona-fide arguments I shiggy diggy, with my finger comfy on the triggy!

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:41:05 2014 No.1408470
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>>1408418
>It's too much of a bother to change my controls when what I have works really well.

Fucking what.

>ps1 games

Like I said, keyboards don't do analog controls, but remember that not all ps1 games use them. I do play a lot of PS1 games on my keyboard and enjoy myself a lot. For the few I play that uses analog, I use my 360 pad. It mostly sucks.

>>1408454
Ooh, a flight stick. I love those. It counts as analog input, by the way.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:42:35 2014 No.1408472
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thanks op and anons, this guide (of sorts), I found really handy. I am currently building a small computer for emu gaming for my kid and have decided on the Wii classic pro controllers

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:59:35 2014 No.1408505 File: 14 KB, 360x360, p220.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408470 WTF? Everything counts as analog.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:01:35 2014 No.1408512 Someone should make a guide that isn't terrible. /vr/ is supposed to know its shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:02:35 2014 No.1408516 File: 39 KB, 800x450, powerramp-IMAG0235.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1407983 Muh authentic retro experience!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:04:35 2014 No.1408519 >>1408505 You have no fucking idea what "digital" or "analogue" even mean. >>1408516 ... That's one of the weirdest looking arcade sticks I've ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:08:05 2014 No.1408534 File: 42 KB, 800x800, 501362-177313-800.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408351 Well, it looks like gravis was bought by kensington...

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:13:35 2014 No.1408548 File: 164 KB, 640x480, 1392495212479.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408519 NO U!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:17:35 2014 No.1408556 File: 29 KB, 500x312, a3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408548 NO ME!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:27:05 2014 No.1408569 File: 388 KB, 800x600, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408548 How mad are you, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:49:25 2014 No.1408627 >>1406207 Thinking about buying this controller. Can I get a second opinion on it just so I know this guy isn't some pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 15:59:55 2014 No.1408645 File: 12 KB, 300x250, 1392497985060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this controller's alright all dem microswitches make it a tad too noisy, though

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 16:05:25 2014 No.1408659 >>1408569 WTF? It's trivially inferable that one of those could be analog or not analog.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 16:09:25 2014 No.1408678

>>1408645
I like it.

>>1408659
What are you even talking about, seriously. Buttons of any kind are not fucking analog, ever. Unless we're talking about the shitty PS2 pressure sensitive buttons gimmick. That was pure shit.

If you're talking about the thumbpad on the orbweaver, it's nowhere even close to being analog. I seriously wish it was analog. That's an 8 way thumbpad, no better than the average arcade stick or flight stick hat switch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 16:11:25 2014 No.1408690 File: 1.19 MB, 1920x975, 1392498675258.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408556 >>1407983 So, how would this be analog?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 16:15:25 2014 No.1408703 File: 43 KB, 500x403, one-hand-srwc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408678 No, what are you talking about? It's a one handed gamepad, complete with the directional thing, which could be analog or not analog, like any gamepad.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 16:19:55 2014 No.1408713
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>>1408690
It isn't? I don't see any continuous axes in this picture.

>>1408703
Anything could be analog, really. Yet, not everything actually is analog. It could look like it is analog, yet still be digital in every single sense of the word. That thumbpad sure is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:32:06 2014 No.1408871 >>1408713 >retro wingman tilt >tilt >not analog >retro microsift sidewinder, with throttle >not analog >non retro nameless razer device with vague looking directional thumb thing >clear, vivid example of something not analog habeeb it!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:36:55 2014 No.1408879 >>1408871 What were we talking about, again? Some controller with a throttle? Choose a proper flight stick instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:38:25 2014 No.1408881 >>1397265 A few months? As in, less than a year?

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:42:25 2014 No.1408886

>>1397594
I like that it has AA batteries. That means that we'll have the ability to power it in the future. Proprietary rechargeable batteries, on the other hand, are quite finite, both in number and in longevity. With AAs, it's easy to replace them when they're done, and furthermore you can just get rechargeable AA batteries which serve the same purpose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:44:55 2014 No.1408889 >>1398901 x-arcade is shit and overpriced. At least most pre-builts are just overpriced.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:51:25 2014 No.1408897

>>1399098
I've always thought that the traditional SNES layout (the rhombus as you call it) was too wide to support adequate multi-button presses. I always just rest my finger on two of them and move to accomodate the other two, and good luck hitting three or four of them at once. I will agree that the cube pad is very specialized to what it does, but I disagree that the button pattern is inferior to that of the traditional SNES layout and its followers.

As for what pads I use, I got one of those official Saturn USB pads from when Sega allowed licensed manufacturing of them. It's amazing how those went from being everywhere at 10-20 to being one in a million for 200-300. I only wish I had bought more of them. I also use a classic pad pro with mayflash adapter, a wired hori 360 pad, and sometimes just plain keyboard. Many different games, many different controllers. I don't feel that any is definitive, just that some are better than others at handling certain tasks.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 17:55:55 2014 No.1408903

My buddy has put hundreds of hours into his afterglow pad, and whenever I use it, the thing seems just fine. I do feel that sometimes it doesn't detect when I'm holding buttons anymore, and then I have to press harder to get it to work, but after that it doesn't have any issues.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 18:01:55 2014 No.1408913

>>1408627
Dunno about that one specifically, but Logitech makes good controllers. The d-pad is actually the weakest part, but it might depend on the model, even though they mostly look identical. It's not 360 controller level bad, but you might have to press too hard for inputs to register.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 18:07:25 2014 No.1408916 File: 23 KB, 498x500, xterminator dual control.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1408879 NO. I don't want a steering wheel either. I'd rather have something interesting and versatile. I'm not going to play a hundred flight and racing sims.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 18:10:26 2014 No.1408919

>>1408916
What isn't interesting and versatile about a flight stick or a steering wheel? What is it about a controller that makes it notable when contrasted with a specialized genre controller, other than it being worse for the type of game you will be playing?

You're playing on the goddamned PC. You might as well take advantage of all those ports and compatibility.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 18:44:18 2014 No.1408957

What are y'all's preferences on arcade-style fight sticks? A friend of mine recently got the one that comes with Injustice 'cause it was cheaper than the alternatives, but after a few weeks of use, the stick is acting really funky. It will act like a direction is being held when it's not quite a bit. It makes us run into bullets/obstacles constantly in shmups, and character selection in any fighter is basically random. Also, the buttons that equate to the analog triggers on a PS3/360 are interpreted as two directions of one analog axis in certain emulators, which makes it impossible to press both simultaneously, despite being on/off buttons on the fight pad's face.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 19:04:22 2014 No.1408985

>>1405417
>>1405408

He has a point, tier lists and similar pictures have little purpose other than to cement thoughtlessness in a board community. Rather than actually consider what's good or bad and why, people will just slap on such images with super-short shitposts attached. Things are generally better without them.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 19:08:53 2014 No.1408991

>>1408957
I'd say that you should build your own or otherwise not bother. They're pretty easy, especially for PC, but it is a time and labor requirement.

I'd recommend staying far away from X-Arcade, because they have the appearance of quality but are actually pretty poor in both buttons/joystick choices and in the build quality of the internals. At least that was the case several years ago, I admit that I haven't followed arcade stuff in a while, so they may have improved, but I am doubtful myself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 19:15:53 2014 No.1408997 >>1408957 Sanwa, Seimitsu, or Happ parts are pretty necessary for a good stick. They're actual arcade parts so it only makes sense.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 19:24:23 2014 No.1409009

>>1408569
I have this keypad

To say the least, it's about as good as a quarter of a keyboard, which is only ever useful for things like modern FPS games that don't require so many keys. The 'stick' on it is a D-Pad that is only ever good for switching weapons on four-way mode as eight-way mode a shit

>>1408957
Either mod a WWE Brawlstick with Sanwa parts or go for a high-end stick with them already installed

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 19:31:53 2014 No.1409021

>>1409009
>it's about as good as a quarter of a keyboard

It is literally a quarter of a keyboard. It's designed to be used by a right handed person with his dominant hand on the mouse.

The key layout is optimized for a hand that will always be hovering in that area. Note the lowered keys on the left; they're meant to be pressed by one's little finger. It's quite portable, too.

>The 'stick' on it is a D-Pad

Yes. It is a 8-way digital dpad that looks like an analogue stick. Says so on the page. I wish they'd step it up and make it actually useful.

>>1408985
/vr/ is just as capable of having brainless debates as /v/. Look at RetroArch threads, for one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 20:14:42 2014 No.1409092 >>1408472 Dont forget that that adapter bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 20:15:41 2014 No.1409097 >>1408512 Whats wrong with the guide?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 20:19:11 2014 No.1409110 >>1397265 Im pretty sure a few months before failure isnt very good. The big 3 system controllers (nintendo, xbox and playstation) can hold up for years.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 22:03:02 2014 No.1409272

>>1409097
It's not actually accurate or comprehensive, yet it's "the only acceptable retro controllers". It's also almost exclusively modern first party console controllers. It'd be better if it was written by some controller autist who actually collects and analyzes pads. Could also use a section on converters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 22:27:02 2014 No.1409305 File: 42 KB, 400x330, panther O.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1397265 That's pitiful even for madcatz! >>1409009 >on four-way mode as eight-way mode a shit Obviously, 8 way hats are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 22:28:32 2014 No.1409307 >>1409272 3rd party controllers are mostly terrible though you can think of consoles as subsidizing the cost of a high quality gamepad

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 22:29:02 2014 No.1409315 >>1409272 what controllers would you like to see added to the list?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 23:11:51 2014 No.1409401 >>1396563 The iBuffalo controller is fucking 10/10 buttons are perfect. d pad is responsive and precise. Closest to a legit snes controller you can find. pretty cheap on amazon too. Just get one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 00:09:37 2014 No.1409493 >>1408364 I used to think this same thing, then I tried out dark souls with a controller. Its actually pretty cool. Not for FPS though, mouse and keyboard all the way there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 00:12:37 2014 No.1409504 >>1409493 I use controllers for games that accept analog input, retro or not. I emulate nearly all my favorite games using a keyboard and it is objectively superior.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:01:43 2014 No.1409571
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>>1409493
>The reason gamepads aren't made for PC is because they simply aren't needed.
Are you fucking stupid enough to deny that there are a lot of gamepads for PC and gamepad compatible games that instantly adapt a layout for said gamepads

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:06:13 2014 No.1409578 >>1409571 @ >>1408364

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:10:14 2014 No.1409589 >>1409571 I think he's a PC Master Race retard that only started PC gaming 2 years ago when he made his Steam account. They're always so easy to spot.

Guide Update Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:20:13 2014 No.1409605
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New version. Added a bunch of good info from http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/..

Added some driver notes to the dualshock 3. Took out the part about motioninjoy, it's no longer the best driver. Sorry about that.

Promoted Logitech out of shit tier into bad tier, admittedly they are a little better than the rest of that crap. Thrustmaster took its place.

Added the original Xbox controller by request. I don't know why anyone would want to use one, but its on there now.

Added a note at the top because you guys are going full autism about every crazy niche control scheme ever. This is for gamepads only.

Added a note on the bottom about adapters from the gametechwiki. It would be unreasonable to list every adapter ever, there are 4 or 5 for every controller that needs them, and this is already approaching maximum file size.

Added some explanation about why 3rd party is so poorly ranked compared to 1st party. I'm not some console fanboy wearing blinders, they are objectively better controllers.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:28:13 2014 No.1409615

>>1409571
Gamepads are made specifically for consoles. That is literally the environment they were created for, precisely because using keyboards and whatnot simply isn't practical in the living room. They're not hand-held devices and are quite bulky. Controllers that are made specifically for PC are far more specialized than what most people are used to; they're designed to take advantage of your desk.

The fact is: if you're playing on PC, using a keyboard is simply better. Objectively better. The simple possibility to layout your keys however you want already makes it more flexible and powerful than pretty much all controllers. Whether its comfortable or not depends on which keyboard you buy, just like controllers.

Controllers working with PC games doesn't really mean anything. PC is simply a good enough platform that it can accept pretty much all input devices. It's also blessed with games whose engines can handle pretty much any kind of input that matters. That kind of quality is expected of PC games; it's usually lazy shitty console ports that falter in that regard.

>>1409589
The very first video game I remember playing is Mega Man X Demo on DOS. So much for your little theory.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:31:13 2014 No.1409621
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>>1409615
why did you came to a gamepad thread to whore your fucking keyboard always, don't you get it fag, we want to use a gamepad that's why these thread are for, to know which one we want, have or need, now do me a favor fuck off to play LoL

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:33:43 2014 No.1409624

I'm torn between a future purchase: Do I go for a DS4, or an Xbone controller? The DS4 has a rechargeable battery, but the xbone has a pretty comfy feeling Dpad, note that I've never gotten a chance to play any vidya with either yet but I'm still uncertain

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:36:13 2014 No.1409627 >>1409624 you can buy rechargeable AA batteries. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned proprietary batteries have a limited shelf and manufacturing life, AA does not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:37:13 2014 No.1409629 >>1409627 This is true. and of course, the Xbone controller is pretty fucking comfy. Has anyone here gotten a chance to play old Vidya with one? How is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:39:43 2014 No.1409636 >>1409629 Drivers aren't out for PC yet, it could be months and months. I doubt anyone has done any emulation with one. M$ thinks they can lure us into buying an xbone if they deny us a hassle free PC controller I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:41:14 2014 No.1409641 >>1409636 Doesn't matter, money's tight on my end and I gotta wait to get some spare cash. God damn it Microsoft, you finally make a -really- good controller and you're too busy sucking cock to make it available for PC

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 01:47:13 2014 No.1409651

>>1409307
>>1409315
>>1409605
This new list is already looking better. Anyway, I think the Sega Saturn controllers ought to be added because so many people love them, and there are several versions like USB and PS2 although they're kinda rare at this point. For third party, Hori is already on the list, but maybe some expansion on which ones are worth getting. Hori makes such good controllers, and so many kinds. Their d-pads are top tier.

Maybe put Dualshocks on top of each other in a column since they're already in distinct tiers, and describe the differences? For instance, even though the first three Dualshocks all look the same but they have differences in weight and build quality, triggers, stick resistance, pressure sensitive buttons, etc. Also for DS3 note that SCP drivers give it XInput functionality for easy game support, and you can do 4 players on bluetooth.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 02:08:01 2014 No.1409697

>>1409621
For the same reason you people go into perfectly good keyboard threads and shitpost with "who the fuck uses keyboards lalelul. get a gamepad faggots".

Unlike many of you retards, though, I'm above mere trolling. I usually just lurk until some idiot starts spouting nonsense about keyboards and why they think it sucks, despite the fact their little opinions don't matter because they don't even use one. That's usually when I start dispelling the misinformation with actual facts. I don't really care what you want to use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 02:32:32 2014 No.1409738 File: 24 KB, 500x500, 41MB957H1NL._SL500_SS500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1409571 >>1409651 If we add saturn controllers, what's stopping actual native PC retro controllers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 02:40:02 2014 No.1409750 >>1409738 The part where Saturn controllers are good and easy enough to buy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 03:03:32 2014 No.1409775 >>1409738 Because they're a pain in the ass to connect and for a lot of early Sidewinder controllers, you need to daisy chain them 3DO-style to have multiple players.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 04:09:50 2014 No.1409836

>>1409605
Getting better

Also, maybe add various retro system controllers throughout the tiers when it comes to emulating systems other than their own, as well as usage on PC games.

Regarding Xbone controller drivers, I'm not sure if Microsoft themselves are actually releasing PC drivers and hardware for them, but somebody is making a third-party one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 08:38:44 2014 No.1410037 >>1408569 >>1409009 That a new version of the Belkin N52te? How is it? Own a N52te since years and its amazing, might consider upgrading seeing how it has one more row of buttons now

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 13:03:21 2014 No.1410317

>>1410037
It's the Orbweaver, a similar keypad by Razer.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver-stealth/

For some reason, the Belkin n52te has a "powered by Razer" seal and Razer Synapse support. Maybe these things are more similar than they look.

I wish they'd turn the thumbpad into an actual analog stick. I'd buy it on the spot and turn it into my keyboard's "left numpad".

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 13:12:21 2014 No.1410330 >>1409697 i suppose that makes you better than these shitposters right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 13:20:07 2014 No.1410341 >>1410330 It doesn't make me feel anything. I came here to discuss controllers. It's just another thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:36:18 2014 No.1410590 >>1409697 >For the same reason you people I never tell other people what their preferred control method should be. You're an idiot and a shitposter, plain and simple.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:44:10 2014 No.1410610

>>1410590
If that's what you think, then you're just gonna have to deal with it. I'll be in every single controller or keyboard thread I see in this board.

And I don't tell people what they should be using, either. I don't give a shit what you use. I tell people who think controllers are better than keyboards (>>1408295) that they're fucktarded. See >>1407983 for the exceptions to that rule.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:45:10 2014 No.1410616 >>1410610 Everyone ignore this admitted shitposter.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:49:46 2014 No.1410621

>>1410616
I don't see where I admitted to shitposting. I only remember (>>1409697) admitting to arguing with a bunch of blind controller users about how they aren't all that. I'm actually doing a service to this board, filling it with information.

Of course, anything that you don't like or isn't part of your circle jerk is shitposting, right?

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:54:16 2014 No.1410637

>>1409615
>if you're playing on PC, using a keyboard is simply better. Objectively better.

My PC is sitting next to 33" CRT monitor across the room from me. I don't really think playing with a keyboard in my lap while sitting on the couch is going to be comfortable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:57:16 2014 No.1410647 >>1409605 >I don't know why anyone would want to use one, Because they already own one? Or you pick one up for a buck at a yard sale/thrift store It's like this thread can't into collecting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 15:57:16 2014 No.1410648 >>1410637 Looks like the living room arrangement to me, not really the usual desktop PC. Obviously, hand-held input devices are going to shine there. Nothing wrong with that. This kind of thing is why Steam Big Picture mode was invented.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 16:01:17 2014 No.1410663 >>1410648 Which means keyboards are not objectively better for PC gameplay.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 16:04:46 2014 No.1410673

>>1410663
Assuming you're using a PC like they're traditionally used, yeah, it pretty much is.

If you're using the PC like a console, of course console controllers are going to shine. Not that there's anything wrong with that. PC is flexible like that. It's a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 16:29:16 2014 No.1410739 >>1410663 You're STILL a retard, it means keyboards are objectively better for consoles, they just need to be on a desk instead of in a couch potato setup.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 16:35:03 2014 No.1410761

>>1410739
If keyboards are so good, why haven't we seen things like top fighting game players switching over to them?

Those guys take every advantage they can find, but hitboxes have not found a foothold in the top echelons of the tournament scene.

Speedrunners seem to be about 50/50 split between pads and keyboard.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 16:44:33 2014 No.1410782

>>1410739
If consoles actually supported them. They don't. Besides, it doesn't make sense to compare input devices in isolation from everything else, such as ideal usage environment and whether its a general input device or a specialized one.

I get the feeling you're trying to make me look retarded so that people will hate me. Not that I care.

>>1410761
Keyboards could give fighting game players an unfair advantage. It has the potential to turn convoluted motions into simple sequences. Because of that, button remapping in of itself could be considered some kind of cheating.

I'm not fit to speak about arcade sticks because I don't use them, but I consider them to be just as high quality as keyboards. They're specialized input devices that just as customizable as keyboards, down to the buttons. I can respect that, even though I don't think much of the actual "lets-pretend-to-be-analog" 8-way stick. The movement becomes too ambiguous for me. I think its shit.

Speedrunning can be done with whatever controller you play best as, keyboard having obvious objective advantages due to key mapping, free layout and switch type customization. If you're TASing without a keyboard, I have no words for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 18:32:23 2014 No.1410985 File: 7 KB, 528x147, 1392593522247.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1396563 OP here. Haven't really checked the thread in a while, ordered this on the 12th though, pretty fucking hype.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 18:38:53 2014 No.1410993

>>1410782
>keyboard having obvious objective advantages due to key mapping, free layout and switch type customization.

I don't get this point. Controllers can also be freely mapped. You could put up and down on the shoulder buttons and use select for your fire button if you wanted to.

Keyboards are mostly uniform. There are a bunch of keys and...the space bar?

Controllers usually have a variety of types of inputs. Analog sticks, cross type pads, rocker type pads, rhombus, GC layout, six button, shoulder buttons, shoulder triggers, etc, etc. And there are a wide selection of different controllers in widely different shapes and sizes. Most keyboards are pretty much shaped the same.

Switch customization, well maybe. There are a few different kinds of keyswitches. But there are also a good number of different kinds of pads underneath the buttons on controllers. The NES directional pad and buttons feel very different from a Dual Shock 3 (with analog buttons).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 18:48:53 2014 No.1411012 >>1405528 Bumping this question since no one answered last time.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 18:55:53 2014 No.1411023
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>>1410993
>controllers can also be freely mapped

No, they can't. You're still subject to the button layout of the controller. You still have to work with the fact that you can't press all the buttons on the face of the controller at once because you don't have 4 thumbs. Keyboards are better because it's a flat matrix of keys that you can map inputs to. You can put whatever you want wherever you want. You can make full use of all your fingers and you don't have to waste them just to hold the keyboard like it happens with controllers.

Also, in cartridges with no SRAM, you'd very likely not bother with remapping controls at all, even if the game let you, simply because it is inconvenient to do that every single time. Who the hell remaps controls in SNES Street Fighter 2? You're very likely to just eat whatever defaults the game designer thought were reasonable and deal with that.

The space bar is just another key. It's not special just because it is bigger.

There are only two types of input: analog and digital. Digital has only two values. Pressed or not. Analog produces a value along an axis. From the center, how far up and to the right is it? How far down is the button being pressed? The only visible difference between those is what kind of hardware generates those values and what you, the player, have to physically do to the controller in order to generate them. Pressing buttons generate digital input, moving the stick generates analog input.

It doesn't matter which controller layout you use, they're all constrained by the fact they're hand-held. You simply can't use all your fingers, unless you go full retard and make a wannabe keyboard controller like picture related.

Keyboards are internationally standardized; that's a plus. You learn the layout once and you're mostly good. Controller layouts are "standardized" by convention. Keyboards let you choose which type of switch and even keycaps you want. With controllers, the manufacturer chooses for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 18:58:23 2014 No.1411032 File: 29 KB, 351x359, 132760646096.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1409605 >Wii Classic in God Tier >Wii U Pro in Bad Tier What the fuck are you doing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 19:01:53 2014 No.1411039 >>1411032 Read the description for fuck's sake

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 19:09:41 2014 No.1411049 >>1411039 The sticks feel fine, the button placement is fine, and all you need is an adapter to get it to work on PCs. The D-pad is perfect and the battery is amazing. Have you ever even used the controller?

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 19:38:10 2014 No.1411082
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>>1410993
>Keyboards are mostly uniform.
Hah, not at all, it is the standard keyboard that is such a piece of shit, and not just for games, it is simply a debased dirt cheap commodity.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 19:40:28 2014 No.1411086
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>>1411082
Keyboards don't even have the most basic things done rationally. And they're generally not made for games, but on top of that standard keyboards suck in general.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:07:28 2014 No.1411126 >>1411086 Keyboards are made for typing and anyone with moderate computer skill can learn and use DVORAK.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:17:28 2014 No.1411136 File: 14 KB, 300x300, 41YX7YR374L._SY300_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ctrl+f >no gravis gamepad pro

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:31:58 2014 No.1411168 >>1411032 /vr/ seems to hate it A lot of /v/irgins who actually own a Wii U however actually tend to call it the best controller out there

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:34:28 2014 No.1411174
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>>1410761
>If keyboards are so good, why haven't we seen things like top fighting game players switching over to them?

Ever heard of the hitbox? It's exactly what you're referring to, and it's so good that people bitch about trying to get it banned all the time

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:40:29 2014 No.1411183

>>1411082
Why is it a piece of shit, and why is it a debased dirt cheap commodity, and why is that bad, really? Even cheap keyboards tend to be pretty good, unlike cheap controllers.

You can pay for extremely well-built mechanical NKRO keyboards with high-quality double-shot molded keycaps if you want. As far as I'm concerned, my cheap ass generic 5KRO keyboard does its job better than any controller I've ever owned and fuck have I owned a ton of them.

I've seen a lot of programmers using that keyboard. They said its pretty comfortable.

>>1411086
Yeah? What are those basic things and how are they not done rationally?

And so what if it wasn't made for games? That doesn't impact on its ability to serve as an input device for games in any way whatsoever. The fact that something that wasn't even made for games manages to be better and more flexible than controllers, which were made exclusively with living room gaming in mind, is quite embarrassing.

>>1411126
Anyone can learn any layout, really. If they've learned QWERTY, they can learn anything. It's just a question of using it to the point where you can touch type efficiently, quickly and without looking.

>>1411174
>it's so good that people bitch about trying to get it banned all the time

My sides. So people really do consider it cheating. I'm not sure if I should call scrub or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:48:28 2014 No.1411196 >>1411136 Holy shit I use that one. My problem with it is some games, it can be sensitive with the directions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:50:58 2014 No.1411206 >>1410647 Just use a good controller dude. Its like you hate yourself. You can get a lot of those bottom tier controllers cheap, it doesnt mean using them is a good idea.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:54:58 2014 No.1411218

>>1411032
wii classic PRO. Wii classic is in ok tier.

you have to read carefully, because Nintendo has decided to name all of their products pretty much the exact same name. Meanwhile almost nobody is even aware that the wii u is actually a separate system.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:57:28 2014 No.1411224

>>1411174
I looked more into this hitbox arcade controller and I'm quite impressed.

First thing they did was get rid of that piece of shit pseudo-analogue 8-way stick and replace them with precise, high quality buttons. The layout is extremely interesting. The direction buttons are just like keyboard arrow keys, except up/jump button which is placed far away from the rest, so you can't mess jumps/charge moves up. It also enables simple, quick, sequential button presses instead of slow ass circular motions with a stick. It also enables you to use pretty much all the fingers of your left hand.

Awesome.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:17:34 2014 No.1411251
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>>1411032
>>1411049
>>1407325
>>1399076
>>1399036
>>1398958
>>1397610
>>1397604
>>1397594

So is the Wii U Pro Controller actually any good or not? I'm seeing wildly conflicting opinions. We really need to come to a consensus here.

Notice that U in there, I don't want to have another "wtf wii classic pro is godlike" conversation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:43:21 2014 No.1411292 >>1411224 The layout is completely fucking retarded (why would you ever want to play with your hands mashed together like that?), but I quite agree with the concept of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:47:22 2014 No.1411301 >>1411292 Go and ask them for a wider version of it. Personally, my hands don't get in the way of each other.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:48:51 2014 No.1411304 >>1411251 The classic controller is not even that good, but what pisses me off is the fucktarded analog stick placement. The dual shock layout is the only sane one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:50:21 2014 No.1411310 >>1411251 Yes, it's great. Most people that blast the analog stick placement haven't even used it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:52:21 2014 No.1411315 >>1411251 >wii_u_classic_controller_pro.png It is called the WII U PRO CONTROLLER. There is no "Classic" in the name, get it right already.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:58:51 2014 No.1411328 >>1411315 Whatever man, thats just what a google search pulled up. You will notice that I didnt use the word classic in my post. I just wanted the image in there so people are extra sure which one I was talking about, but I guess I fucked it up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 23:08:26 2014 No.1411429 >>1411328 Just ignore the autist and his fits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 00:04:59 2014 No.1411513 >>1404891 >mac >games lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 00:06:01 2014 No.1411515 >>1411174 Ever heard of the hitbox? see>>1410761 >but hitboxes have not found a foothold in the top echelons of the tournament scene. god damnit, fucking read

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 00:07:01 2014 No.1411518 >>1411023 >Who the hell remaps controls in SNES Street Fighter 2? That's probably the worst example you could have named. More people remapped that game than any other SNES game I can think of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 00:09:59 2014 No.1411523 >>1411174 The bitched about it in Marvel 3 where it made a particular glitch possible that couldn't be done on an arcade stick or controller without modification. For everything else it's just a gimmick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 02:58:08 2014 No.1411718 >>1411518 More than Super Metroid?

Anonymous Mon Feb 17 16:28:22 2014 No.1412664
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>>1411183
>Yeah? What are those basic things and how are they not done rationally?

Putting too many keys on the left side! That's why it's a popular tweak to at least move the capslock key to the right!

>Anyone can learn any layout, really.
Nope, an expert qwerty user can hardly learn dvorak efficiently, or the other way around. That kind of switch is very likely to end up badly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 16:29:53 2014 No.1412669 >>1412664 Thanks doc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 17:05:53 2014 No.1412751 Want an authentic experience? Just buy a Retro USB SNES adaptor so you can use the legit controllers. I have their SNES to GC adaptor and it's god tier

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 17:08:23 2014 No.1412760 >>1402919 Make sure you distinguish in the normal Wii's settings whether it's on HD or SD mode. That influences the response rate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 18:47:59 2014 No.1413026 >>1412664 >too many keys Full fucking retard. >very likely to end up badly No, it isn't. The nervous system is plastic and the cerebellum is always open to new ideas. People are just lazy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 21:51:09 2014 No.1413280 >>1405589 Nice list.

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 01:11:08 2014 No.1413686

>>1413026
Nyuh uh! That's why gamer keyboards are such shit, they cram even more keys on the left side, cause only xbawks kids are stupid about things like keyboards and that's why they don't just put the extra keys on the right side where it's proper and normal!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 08:42:05 2014 No.1414146 File: 93 KB, 203x345, seriously-goym.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1413686 Troll harder.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 13:45:21 2014 No.1414595 >>1408627 don't get fooled by logitech shills.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 13:50:22 2014 No.1414603 >>1409605 It might be redundant, but why don't you have the nes/snes controllers on that image? Or any other obvious controller that's been skipped over.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 14:13:21 2014 No.1414638 File: 665 KB, 1603x1441, pccontrollers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1396568 I use a wide assortment of controllers

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 14:15:21 2014 No.1414641 File: 462 KB, 1274x1317, pccontrollers2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1396568 then there are beauties like these too, but I don't own any of these ones

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 14:18:51 2014 No.1414649 >>1405506 2/10 nice troll kid. now come back after you've played a 2d fighter with one or use a real saturn controller and not some shitty knockoff by retrolink/gtron.

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 14:29:51 2014 No.1414679

>>1414649
People always talk up how great the Saturn pad is for fighters, but these days I can't think of a single good player I've seen using one in competition. You have the odd Dual Shock player, and one famous guy uses a modded SNES pad, but I've never seen a Saturn pad in action.

Years ago they were really good for guys out the middle of nowhere that didn't have nearby arcades and stuck to playing via a pad, but eventually good arcade sticks became more common, and they switched over.

I guess a Saturn pad is good if you want to play a little casual fighters on the side and don't want to mess about with sticks, but to me it's just a footnote in video game history at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 16:47:46 2014 No.1414960 >>1414679 They all use arcade controllers retard.

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 21:21:31 2014 No.1415514

>>1414603
The guide blatantly tells you to use the authentic controller + adapter in the bottom right.

This is more for stuff that is still in production, or that you might have lying around the house. Its hard to even find an authentic SNES or sega controller anymore. And don't trust ebay, its full of crappy knockoffs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 21:25:01 2014 No.1415520 >>1414960 >useless post

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 21:25:31 2014 No.1415518

>>1414641
I saw one of those SuperPad 64's in my local retro game store today, might swing back tomorrow and buy it. Seemed pretty solid, but goddamn if the Z button isn't in an awkward position. It's under the L button, but not like, directly under it like a Dual Shock, more like, on a separate, lower ridge, further back and underneath the ridge the L is on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 21:44:17 2014 No.1415550 keyboard is quite fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 21:51:47 2014 No.1415571 >>1415514 whew... ok good. good thing i still have my snes controllers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 19 00:56:13 2014 No.1415929 File: 8 KB, 287x235, 2eed820dd7a08a997d37e010.L.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1414641 The interact makopads and ultraracers are pretty interesting, cause there are DOS and N64 versions of them.

Anonymous Wed Feb 19 09:31:09 2014 No.1416483

>>1414679
>People always talk up how great the Saturn pad is for fighters, but these days I can't think of a single good player I've seen using one in competition. You have the odd Dual Shock player, and one famous guy uses a modded SNES pad, but I've never seen a Saturn pad in action.
You ever think that could be because less than 10million Sega Saturns exist, while 150million Playstation2s exist? And that the retard using a SNES controller only does so because he owned one as a kid, like like those dualshock users?

Shit, if you put in Tekken and asked my to pick between a dualshock or an arcade stick, I'd pick the dualshock & enable the triggers, then string out combos with King like a pro. Why? For the same fucking reason, stupid. But that doesn't mean I believe the dualshock is better than a Saturn controller or an arcade stick. It just means I've got a high sense of familiarity with it, to the point that I can fully utilize it's layout for that particular game.

>I guess a Saturn pad is good if you want to play a little casual fighters on the side and don't want to mess about with sticks, but to me it's just a footnote in video game history at this point
So you sight people using dualshocks & snespads as proof saturn controllers are 'shit', then go on to say all the elitist top 'gamers' are using sticks?! Exactly what was the point in sighting all those dualshock & snespad users again? Oh yeah, trolling.

Anonymous Wed Feb 19 09:37:09 2014 No.1416489

>>1415514
>Its hard to even find an authentic SNES or sega controller anymore.
what is a flea market?

>And don't trust ebay, its full of crappy knockoffs.
indeed. if it claims to be 'new', has another brand's logo or is missing the original brands logo = knockoff

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 19 14:13:28 2014 No.1416904 >>1411429 Yeah, fucking nerds trying to correct mistakes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 19 15:08:15 2014 No.1416992 >>1405506 I agree. I bought an authentic Sega Logistics one, and when it arrived I was sorely disappointed. I didn't pay an arm and a leg for one, thank goodness, and I don't plan on getting rid of it, but it's certainly overrated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 19 15:13:46 2014 No.1417004 >>1416489 >what is a flea market? A place to get worn out shit controllers, but i'm guessing you've had better luck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 19 21:31:22 2014 No.1417702 >>1417004 >A place others go to early to pick out all the good controllers and leave the shit for me. fixed

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 19 21:43:22 2014 No.1417719 >>1417702 thats true, if early was 13 years ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:25:58 2014 No.1418361 >>1396593 I thought these types of controlers are primarily used for fighting games

Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:30:28 2014 No.1418367

>>1396856
Most underrated controller of all time, and I think it's just because of the shitty joystick placement. They don't even get in the way of retro gaming and don't really bloat the controller size. I also love that fuckin d-pad, better than the famicom's imo. Same with the buttons, love everything about the controller besides the awkward joysticks

Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:34:28 2014 No.1418372

>>1411251
I love it but if you already have a controller for PC then I don't really see the point in getting it (unless obviously you're buying it for your Wii U). Great d-pad and feel though, the button placement isn't actually as much of an issue as you think. You reach down on Sony and Xbox controllers to use the second joystick all the time, so reaching down or back up for the joystick/buttons isn't an issue at all.

I can see it being an issue for Smash though, I think thats just because I'm so damn used to the GC controller though. It feels easier to do a quick flick of the c-stick then go back up to the buttons rather than vice versa. Could also just be because the U Pro's second stick is bigger than GC's c-stick

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:42:50 2014 No.1418386 >>1398893 i never liked the gamecube controller, the secondary analog stick is small and has no traction, the Z and X buttons are placed awkwardly

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:44:21 2014 No.1418394 >>1405324 >paint.net Good taste

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:46:20 2014 No.1418396 >>1405324 >Any offbrand "OMGSORETRO" USB knockoffs Nah, just get a genuine controller and adapter, there really isnt any noticable input lag

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 05:48:50 2014 No.1418402 I know the DS2's d-pad is fine but I wish there were SNES-like controllers for the PS2 (like the classic controller or something). Just a preference I guess, I've played through most of the X collection with the DS2 and it's fine.

Anonymous Thu Feb 20 07:50:12 2014 No.1418493
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>>1418361
They are. It's still a good controller for retro stuff.

>>1418372
There are adapters that fits a GCN controller to your Wii Remote, pic related it was made for an earlier post on /v/. Though there's no rumble and if Kerfuffle used ZL (which I doubt) then you'd be a little fucked.

I did play Project M through Dolphin for some time with a 360 controller though, I found it easier to short hop and attack with the diamond layout as you can quickly release the tip of your thumb and press down A with the lower part of it. But yes, the Wii U Pro's buttons are not even with the left stick and the right one may be awkward as hell for quick smashes

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 09:11:01 2014 No.1418578 >>1418493 Yeah I know about that. Any input differences since theres no select or L2? How bout button lag?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 20 12:18:11 2014 No.1418904 >>1418493 >White GC controller God, it's beautifull. I have a black one, but this one looks so good. Like it was made to be white.

Anonymous Thu Feb 20 18:33:34 2014 No.1419561

>>1418904
I'm quite surprised you can buy official ones brand new on Amazon at all, actually. In fact, it's the only color that is reasonably priced on there. Goes for $30 USD, though, so take that as you will.

I did notice that the cord was at least more t han twice as longer than the earlier ones, so I assume these were made after the Wii's release.

>>1418578
I can't really say as I haven't used it a lot. One difference is how the Start button works; you hold it down to hit select or bring up the Home menu, depending how long it's held for.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 21 16:51:32 2014 No.1421703 >>1409605 Has anybody here had experience with the Xbone controller?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 21 17:00:31 2014 No.1421725 >>1396856 is it possible to connect it to pc somehow?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 21 18:00:31 2014 No.1421872 >>1421725 Read the damn thread.

Gor Fri Feb 21 19:52:44 2014 No.1422104

>>1421725
Just to reply to you, you'll need a bluetooth card/reader on your PC and a specific program *which I forgot the name* which will allow you to hook it up and calibrate and all that.

Of course the controller will be connected to the Wii Remote, and the bluetooth card/reader will tell your PC what's up.

I also have an Afterglow USB Xbox360 controller. I used to use my friends' original USB 360 controller, but I've had my own now for a while. Got it for around 30 dollars brand new way back.

I'd suggest using that or a Classic Controller Pro.

If I knew how to splice a regular controller to a USB part, I'd do that.

Anonymous Fri Feb 21 20:14:44 2014 No.1422141

>>1422104
>Just to reply to you, you'll need a bluetooth card/reader on your PC and a specific program *which I forgot the name* which will allow you to hook it up and calibrate and all that.
>Of course the controller will be connected to the Wii Remote, and the bluetooth card/reader will tell your PC what's up.

Or alternately, buy an adapter and get it done without needing to bother with Wii Remotes and batteries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 15:20:00 2014 No.1423769 File: 2.67 MB, 640x360, 1389837543789.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1405324 >Buffalo USB SNES pad in top tier >No mention of Razer Sabretooth

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 18:39:11 2014 No.1424164 File: 56 KB, 333x489, yeah it does.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1423769 >Razer

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 18:49:43 2014 No.1424192 >>1423769 that chart is made by someone who has not even tried many of these and based on what people posted here which, to say the least, could be easily manipulated, in short , that picture is bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 19:10:44 2014 No.1424246 >>1405324 so... have you ever heard of the Sega Saturn?

Anonymous Sat Feb 22 19:20:15 2014 No.1424268
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After reading about this hitbox thing i went and made myself one,(replaced the joystick on an old arcade top i had) and it turns out its extremely fucking tricky to input qcf motions because of the down forward input of that move, the games detect "down" then "fwd" but the fucking diagonal is messing up because i depressed down too soon, i have the feeling this isn't as great as it seems, plus for someone who used arcade tops all his life i'm having trouble forcing my mind to obey when it was already natural to use the joystick

Anonymous Sat Feb 22 19:31:14 2014 No.1424294
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use to have 360 pad but the left analog stock started hosting to the left, common problem. you can fix the dpad by cutting a circle out of a Pringles lid and sticking it under.

then I got pic related. absolute worst pad of all time.

I returned it and got a ds3. someone in this thread says it doesn't work right when it's not plugged in, is that true? would like to know before I waste money on a blutooth adapter for it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 22 20:17:44 2014 No.1424373

Since it is technically on topic, as I consider it a USB controller and do not think another thread would be necessary, what is a good, semi cheap (25 - 75 dollars) mechanical keyboard? A lot of sites recommend 150 to 400 dollar keyboards, and that seems like a lot of dosh to throw down just for the satisfying clicking of each key as well as allowing more that four buttons to be pressed, which all I can really see me needing at once is four anyway. At the moment, only two keys can be pressed down at the same time with my shitty keyboard.

Anonymous Sat Feb 22 21:39:36 2014 No.1424517
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>>1424373
>http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-QuickFire-TK-Mechanical/dp/B00A378L4C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1393122592&sr=8-3&keywords=CM+Quickfire+TK

This is what I have. Just be aware that switching from 6KRO to NKRO mode (the amount of keys you can hold down at once) and back may cause some issues like the keyboard not working at all until you wait later and plug it back in, and the numpad is merged with the navigation keys and toggled with the numlock. Otherwise it's fine enough for me, ricer font aside.

Check the other colored switch variants on that page, they may be more cheaper or expensive than the one with blues.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 21:58:06 2014 No.1424561 File: 48 KB, 342x422, 1388682295599.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1424268 you just need to hit down right, faglord

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 21:59:36 2014 No.1424562 File: 54 KB, 270x243, im used to worse.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1424517 >those problems pic related Thank you for the recommendation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 22:44:13 2014 No.1424634 >>1424561 that is exactly the thing that i am talking about that is hard to do on the hitbox, shithead

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 22 23:19:12 2014 No.1424698 >>1424634 >the games detect "down" then "fwd" but the fucking diagonal is messing up There shouldn't be any diagonal movement. Practice playing with a keyboard for a few days, and then move to the hitbox. Remap the arrow keys to IKJL.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 23 01:43:07 2014 No.1424950 >>1423769 Razer is in the later versions of the guide. Look real closely. Look at the bottom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 23 01:47:24 2014 No.1424959 >>1424246 They don't make official controllers any more, and all of the 3rd party versions are trash.

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