FF7

[Anonymous No.1370748]

After escaping Midgar, you stop fighting Shinra and start to search for Sephiroth, but I'm not sure why your meant to find him? What has he done wrong at that point in the game to make him the bad guy? Dunno if I missed anything in the story, but there seems to be no reason given.. Help?

[Anonymous No.1370760]

The flashback at Kalm inn should of explained some of it. And the infamous scene at the City of the Ancients.

[Anonymous No.1370761]

Keep playing, it'll make sense later

[Anonymous No.1370762]

>>1370748
Just go to Kalm. And Cloud knows that Sephiroth is more dangerous and more evil than Shinra and has started looking for the promised land again. The promised land is important because ?????????

[Anonymous No.1370772]

>>1370762

There's also a plot twist that explains it further

[Anonymous No.1370783]

>>1370762

The Shinra searches for the promised land because they think its where Mako is just bursting out of the earth, Sephiroth doesnt actually search for it, hes already in his Makocapsule plotting the reunion.

Cloud and the gang are misguided just like the Shinra are at the time of Kalm since all Cloud knows to this point is that Seppl was searching for the promised land after he burned down that town and went after Jenova, he himself didnt know better at that time.

[Anonymous No.1370786]

How about you play the game and find out? Do you immediately stop watching a film and ask /tv/ if there's a plot point that hasn't been fully explained to you?

[Anonymous No.1370787]

>>1370783

I might add that Seppl has kind of found it, thats a few years before the game actually starts.


Everything in FF7 makes sense. Its just a bit clusterfucky at times and easy to misinterpret the plot and story.

I dont know how often I had to explain to people why Cloud is not a clone and stuff. On /v/ mind you.

[Anonymous No.1370837]

>>1370787
>I dont know how often I had to explain to people why Cloud is not a clone and stuff. On /v/ mind you.

People thought cloud was a clone? From Zack? Or sephiroth? I guess I can see where the confusion would be if I were not paying attention but still.

[Anonymous No.1370841]

>>1370837
The sub par translation didn't help either.

[Anonymous No.1370846]

>>1370837

From Sephiroth. Hojo is to blame for all the confusion. Or maybe simply the translation. I played US and Ger release but both fucked with my head sometimes.

The game never really explains Clouds #1 tattoo, though. Hes not the first experiment with Jenova cells and neither the first clone.

So either Hojo is bably translated or incredibly well written because alot of people repeat his lies when explaining the plot or such.

[Anonymous No.1370849]

>>1370748
Have you been to Kalm yet?

[Anonymous No.1370858]

Cloud has Jenova cells in his blood and that isn't Sephiroth. It's Jenova, and your cells react violently to her, and compels you to follow her. Whenever Cloud has a conniption fit, he's near Jenova. When you were at the mako reactors near the lifestream where Jenova was hiding after being imprisoned by the ancients, near the tank in Shinra HQ with that chunk of Jenoca in it and when you are facing "Sephiroth" himself

[Anonymous No.1370950]

>>1370858
And the honey bee hotel?

[Anonymous No.1370954]

>>1370950
That bear who gay rapes him was also Jenova.

[Anonymous No.1370957]

Yeah but what explains why all the fun materia is given to you after all the opportunities for fun are over?

[Anonymous No.1370963]

>a fraction of the way through a story
>helpppp the story doesn't make seeeeeense everything's being revealed out of oooorderrrr

Too much for couch potato ed boys like yourselves!

captcha: kskbmi Edward

[Anonymous No.1371110]

>>1370954
What

Which sound was him getting raped?
The squish? I thought the guy implied that he couldn't get it up and nothing happened on the way out.

[Anonymous No.1371117]

>all these people bitching that he wants everything told to him now

That's not it at all. The game goes from SHINRA being the big bad to suddenly just following Sephiroth around for no reason. It's not explained, it's not even really hinted upon. You just see that he killed President Shinra, fight Rufus, escape, then start a journey to follow him to stop him.

For no reason.
If they actually gave you a reason that you should be worried about Sephiroth it would be a lot better, but there isn't any real reason until way later in the game.

[Anonymous No.1371134]

>>1371117
With President Shinra dead and Rufus gone, they didn't have much else to go on. There's the whole "promised land" connection, with the Shinra and Sephiroth both looking for the same thing. Following Sephiroth might lead to Rufus. Also, Cloud and Tifa have a history with Sephiroth so they would want to pursue him, and Aeris might be able to find out more about the Ancients if they go after Sephiroth. I don't even think it's really clear that they need to kill Sephiroth at that point, or that he's evil or anything, just that it's worth checking into.

[Anonymous No.1371137]

>>1371110
Cloud was raped in the Honey Bee Inn. This is a fact.

[Anonymous No.1371141]

>>1371117
Yes but in about 5 minutes he gets to Kalm and it's all explained in flashback form. There's literally nothing in between Midgar & Kalm but maybe some random world map battles so there's no way anything could have happened that would leave him wondering what was going on.

[Anonymous No.1371147]

>>1371117

>guy that burned down their hometown and was until then thought dead
>not worth pursuing

[Anonymous No.1371205]

>>1370846
>Clouds #1 tattoo
Cloud doesn't have a tattoo, only the "successful" Sephiroth experiments got tattoos.
You meet a guy in Corel who saw the clone with the #1 tattoo head towards the Gold Saucer cable car.

>Hojo
The dude messed up his preliminary research on Ancients/Jenova, which means of lot of early plot reveals are misguiding if you take them at face value (like Sephiroth did when he had his mental breakdown in Nibelheim).
What's interesting is that Hojo tells you in Midgar disc 2, that he's injected himself with Jenova Cells, and promptly shows you his transformations. However it's not clear when he injected them. It could have been a final insane decision at the end of the road, or he could have been a pawn under the manipulative influence of Jenova while the main game was taking place.

[Anonymous No.1372027]

>>1371205

I remember now, Cloud even asks him to give him a number. Thanks.

Hojo being under Jenovas influence wouldnt add much to the plot, though. All his actions are already quite rationally explainable with his own agenda fueling him.

I also wouldnt give the scene too much thought, it probably just was some way to make the fight more interesting/ a challenge.

[Anonymous No.1372048]

Keep playing OP, everything is explained well.

[Anonymous No.1372073]

>>1370748

>burns down your hometown
>steals the most dangerous bio weapon on the planet
>not sure why you should find him

wut

[Anonymous No.1372165]

It's pretty pathetic that people still think Jenova was the villain the whole time.

[Anonymous No.1372245]

>>1372073
Post the one where Cloud gets blown away in his first battle.

[Anonymous No.1372824]

>>1370748
Don't they find his sword in the dead president and he has stolen the jenova head?

[Anonymous No.1372836]

>>1371117
The player dosent know why the characters want to follow Sephiroth. The characters do know why. And the player will know it 10 minutes later.

[Anonymous No.1372841]

>>1372836
the player does know why:
>>1372824

[Anonymous No.1372876]

>>1372841
Yes at this point its clear to cloud and tifa that sepiroth is involved but the player has no clue why he is important to them (the player can guess that he is important to the game/plot because he basicly killed the antagonist and shitloads of his minions)

And as far as i remember the group decides to follow sepiroth in kalm after all (including the player) know who he is.

The primary objective of the group after the dead of shinra president was to flee and not to follow sepiroth.

[Anonymous No.1372875]

>>1372824
He did just leave his sword in the president's body did he? Would explain why none of the clones are ever seen with it. I know this doesn't add anything, I just noticed it now is all.

[Anonymous No.1372880]

>>1370837
I'm playing through it right now, and someone said Cloud was just another clone of Sephiroth, then the gang doesn't know either and is questioning it, I think even Barret says at some point "If he's just another Sephiroth blah blah" when Cloud was in the wheelchair. Shortly after the story progresses to clear up that he's actually injected with cells. There were many suggestions, and a direct mention iirc, that Cloud might be a clone of Sephiroth, I can see why many would think that if they didn't play close enough attention to the story.

[Anonymous No.1372883]

Is there a patch for FFVII that fixes the translation?

[Anonymous No.1372886]

>>1372824
Sephiroth took the head seven years earlier, it fell into the Lifestream with him.

[Anonymous No.1372942]

>>1372886
my bad, you're right, i meant the body.

my point was that he stole the jenova and killed the president, and that is why shinra stops fighting you and look for sephiroth

[Anonymous No.1372943]

i was trying to answer this question
>>1372942
>What has he done wrong at that point in the game to make him the bad guy?

[Anonymous No.1372954]

>>1372942
>my point was that he stole the jenova and killed the president, and that is why shinra stops fighting you and look for sephiroth
that wasn't Sephiroth

[Anonymous No.1372960]

>>1372954
but that is spoilers you dont find out until later

[Anonymous No.1372970]

>>1372954
It was, actually. He was just controlling Jenova's corpse.

[Anonymous No.1372990]

>>1372970
I meant in the physical sense, I know Sephiroth was in control

[Anonymous No.1373148]

>>1372990
Maybe. Unless Cloud's proximity sparked Jenova into motion, believing it was time to execute it's Black Materia masterplan. It just takes the form of Sephiroth from Cloud's memories, giving the party a carrot to follow.

[Anonymous No.1373184]

>>1373148

Still it's Sephiroth in the crystal control.

[Anonymous No.1373643]

>>1373184

thats impossible to say. either its Jenova whos in charge the whole time or since Sephiroth has freed her. or Sephiroth. Him beeing the mightier one at the end doesnt necessarily mean hes the chief.

[Anonymous No.1373664]

who knows

[Anonymous No.1373726]

>>1373643
>thats impossible to say
read the official square guide, there's a translation on the internet and it clearly states that sephiroth is in control

[Anonymous No.1373751]

Is OP aware that Aeris dies?

Wouldn't it be fun to find gamers that don't know that?

[Anonymous No.1373823]

>>1373726

Like all the fucking time ? Jenova being the main influence always made way more sense to me

[Anonymous No.1373912]

>>1373823
All the time.
Whatever was left of Jenova's will (if there was any at that point) was overpowered by Sephiroth in the Lifestream following the events at Nibelheim.

Also consider that Jenova had been in Shinra's possession for a long time before the start of FF7, and it never demonstrated any activity or control until Sephiroth had reformed his body at the beginning of the game

[Anonymous No.1374950]

>>1373912

well I always thought the machinery at nibelheim reactor kept her alive and in control. since its cells are (very) active even without the brain maybe the head dropping into the livestream gave her sentience again. somewhat like it cured cloud. im still puzzled how sephiroth could materialize in flesh outside of his capsule and stick his sword into stuff. is there some explanation for that as well ?

[Anonymous No.1376356]

>>1374950
The same way a random arm or a leg becomes a colossal monster.

[Anonymous No.1376379]

>>1373751
I actually didn't know until right before finishing FF7 in 2009. I lost my original copy and got a new one from my uncle only for the internet to spoil me.
also, fuck /v/ for spoiling Xenoblade for me