Shaders in emulation

[Anonymous No.1368657]

>implying this isn't perfection

Ha, I bet you didn't even know that this was a shader until you opened it up.

Shaders general.

[Anonymous No.1368678]

>>1368657
Wow, this is the first CRT shader I've seen that doens't look like complete and total ass on par with supereagle filters.

[Anonymous No.1368682]

This thread is a /v/ raid thread. Sage if you post

[Anonymous No.1368686]

>>1368678
Agreed. It's actually quite subtle.

[Anonymous No.1368685]

>>1368682
>someone doesn't understand what sage is

[Anonymous No.1368690]

>>1368678
>>1368686

CRT Geom Sharpness. It's less blurry than standard with less strong lines.

Plus I believe it has NTSC RGB as another shader on top of that. But I have never figured out how to use .shader shaders in the curretn RetroArch.

[Anonymous No.1368703]

>>1368690

reminds me of an original ds lcd with its touch screen on top of it

[Anonymous No.1368726]

GTU is best shader

[Anonymous No.1368729]

>>1368726

Show examples?

[Anonymous No.1368761]

>>1368657
why is it night in the desert? I thought that part of the game was day

[Anonymous No.1368774]

>>1368729
Not at home right now but you can download a test app to play with it

http://www.libretro.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1114

[Anonymous No.1368863]

>>1368657
>scanlines
It isn't perfection.

[Anonymous No.1368879]

Anyone have a link to this shader for Higan?

[Anonymous No.1368889]

>>1368863
Not the guy who suggested it, but just tested it out. Impressive gamma correction. I can almost imagine that's how the developers intended it to look.

[Anonymous No.1368906]

>>1368889
I don't know why you replied to me with an image that doesn't have scanlines when all I'm complaining about here is scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1368907]

>>1368889
>how the developers intended it to look

So which one, left or right?

[Anonymous No.1368912]

>>1368907
Neither.
The developers never intended for Sonic to have 3 feet.

[Anonymous No.1368915]

>>1368889

blur filters look like vomit, sharpening filter or no filter at all

[Anonymous No.1368916]

>>1368906
sorry should have been a reply to >>1368729

[Anonymous No.1368917]

>>1368912

[Anonymous No.1368920]

>>1368907
Right, but without scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1368931]

>>1368915
Why? I can understand why you'd want modern games with pixel art to be sharp, because that's how the developers intended it to be viewed. But old games weren't designed to be sharp, they were essentially hacked to look as good as possible on a CRT. That explains the brownish Chrono Trigger background.

[Anonymous No.1368941]

>>1368931
If they wanted it to be black, why would they not have just used black?

[Anonymous No.1368947]

The thing that bothers me most about retro games displayed on a LCD/LED (I don't know if Plasma is affected) is the color inaccuracy.

See >>1368889

[Anonymous No.1368953]

>>1368907

[Anonymous No.1368959]

>>1368941
Because that would have made it appear far to black. The brown made it as dark as they intended it to be, with a tint.
You can read more here: http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/NTSC_Filters

"Many SNES games were developed with the color distortion from these cables in mind. Such as Chrono Trigger, with shifted values that make blacks look brown and borders look purple, which would be output properly with NTSC colors."

[Anonymous No.1368957]

>How the developers intended

Why do people say this in every one of these threads? I don't give a fuck what the developers wanted it to look like, I only care if it looks good to me, filter or no filter.

[Anonymous No.1368960]

>>1368915
Blurring and blending is required for some games to look right, such as SNES hi red transparency

Besides, that GTU shader is highly customizable and can be as blurry or sharp as you want

[Anonymous No.1368965]

>>1368863
scanlines make games look better

[Anonymous No.1368969]

>>1368957
Because for some people, a part of the retro experience is about how the developers wanted us to experience it back in the days. If that doesn't mean anything to you, you might as well play the iOS ports of the Final Fantasy series, if it doesn't mean anything to you how the original developers intended it to look.

[Anonymous No.1368970]

>>1368960
My vision do the blurring effect just fine. Increase the distance to the screen if necessary.

[Anonymous No.1368978]

I like blur but only horizontally, like a CRT does

[Anonymous No.1368979]

>>1368969
>Because for some people, a part of the retro experience is about how the developers wanted us to experience it back in the days.

So basically on any TV, because nobody is retarded enough to make something and then expect every single person to experience it in the exact same setting?

[Anonymous No.1368975]

>>1368657
Meh, if I wanted scanlines I'd play it on my own CRT TV. It's just something emulators never manage to reproduce accurately enough.

[Anonymous No.1368976]

>>1368960

define "right" and post examples

i agree the color looks better but i hate the blurring, prefer not blurring pixels because it looks better, finer details are easier to distinguish

blurring makes me feel cross-eyed

i also that turns off sound interpolation in ZSNES and force point sampling in glide64

my crono also looks much leaner >>1368889 btw

[Anonymous No.1368981]

>>1368959
The color in >>1368889 is so close to black that you can barely tell the difference even with that color and pure black right next to each other. Black would not have been "too black". That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.1368983]

>>1368941
SNES expects a higher gamma than 2.2

[Anonymous No.1368982]

>>1368976

i'm a bit drunk bare with me

[Anonymous No.1368986]

>>1368976
That's because I stretch it to fit the 4:3 TV aspect ratio. Yours is rendered in a "pixel perfect" ratio that comes from the raw SNES output. It's a matter of taste I think. Some prefer to see perfect pixels, some prefer the way you would see it on an actual TV.

[Anonymous No.1368987]

>>1368983
That doesn't answer the question.
If they wanted it to be black, why would they not have used black? Tell me.

[Anonymous No.1368993]

>>1368981
No no, you misunderstood. You can see how dark it gets when it's brown. Imagine how much it would have pulled down the ramp if it was actually black in the raw output.

[Anonymous No.1368994]

>>1368987
limited palette

Fact is that it looks washed out and ugly without a gamma ramp

[Anonymous No.1369005]

>>1368994

don't most gba ports decrease the gamma

[Anonymous No.1369017]

>>1369005
Yes and increased brightness making blacks really washed out

[Anonymous No.1369028]

No filters master race.

[Anonymous No.1369046]

>>1369028
Nearest a shit

At least use a pixellate filter to allow non square pixels

[Anonymous No.1369047]

>>1369028
Embrace it dude.

[Anonymous No.1369235]

>using filters
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.1369284]

Dot matrix master race

[Anonymous No.1369324]

>>1369284
Sorry for the question but what game is this?

[Anonymous No.1369336]

>>1369028

there's a re-translation of this game? holy crap, if any game ever needed a re-trans patch its BOF2.

[Anonymous No.1369350]

>>1369047
what game?

[Anonymous No.1369362]

>>1369336
>>1369350
Yes, and Breath of Fire II.

[Anonymous No.1369365]

>>1369324

Silent Hill 1

[Anonymous No.1369367]

>>1369362

http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1384/

is this the patch in question? Seems like it. Why change the red menu to blue thooooo?

[Anonymous No.1369372]

left or right?

[Anonymous No.1369391]

MUH WATERFALLS

[Anonymous No.1369392]

>>1369235
>not using filters
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.1369408]

Most of the filters posted here are way too strong. OP's filter is the only one so far that even resembles what games actually looked like on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.1369421]

>>1369372

[Anonymous No.1369438]

Completely 2D games are such an easy problem because there's almost always something you can find that makes it look "best".

The REAL fightin' is on what the fuck to do with the one generation whose visuals looked worse than the one before it; hideous 5th gen polygons. Every single thing you can do - including just playing the actual console on the TV your mom had from 1995-2000 - looks bad. You have to decide what looks LEAST BAD. And if you get caught believing that it is possible to make it look good, you are forever doomed to fucking with shader settings for the rest of your miserable life, never enjoying or completing a game again.

[Anonymous No.1369449]

personally I like the bilinier filter because it pleasantly blends the colors while still retaining some of the pixelation. Super sai and HQ is just over the line of acceptable due to mis-aligned textures.

On a side note all of these "HD" FF6 screenshots make sick to see such obvious laziness.

>mfw

[Anonymous No.1370179]

I am the one who took the original screenshot in the OP. To achieve that effect, you have to use RetroArch, and get this shader:

https://github.com/libretro/common-shaders/blob/master/crt/crt-geom-flat-sharpness.cg

Place this shader somewhere in the RetroArch directory, such as a folder called Shaders.

Now, open this shader in a word editor like Notepad++, and comment out the following line as such:

//#define SHARPER

Now, you also need the NTSC-RGB filter, found here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?62p83g46s95v44r

Place this within the RetroArch directory as well, perhaps within a folder called Filters.

Next, open up the retroarch.cfg (or alternatively, create a new one for use only with an SNES core), and add the following line:

video_filter = ":\Filters\NTSC-RGB.filter"

Now open RetroArch, and within Shader options, select the shader, Apply, and play an SNES game. It should look like this.

[Anonymous No.1370186]

>>1368657
It's laughably obvious that isn't the real thing.

[Anonymous No.1370206]

>>1369438
For me, the best solution has been to use CRT-Geom, and increase internal X resolution just a tad, so as to very slightly sharpen both the 2D and 3D.

[Anonymous No.1370216]

>>1370179
Ah, forgot one thing. Since the RGB filter already applies gamma correction, you'll wanna disable it on the shader, so what you do is go to the following line:

#define CRTgamma 2.4

And change it to 2.2. That way it doesn't overcorrect.

[Anonymous No.1370225]

>>1368889
I can bring that scene up on my Commodore monitor over composite video on a real SNES and it is very brown looking. And my monitor is very accurate.

That black background may look nicer, but it isn't what the devs saw or intended.

[Anonymous No.1370231]

>>1369047
Eww.

[Anonymous No.1370243]

>>1370206

my solution is to turn off all hq filtering and decrease the scaling from 3x to 2x

didn't do that in this screenshot

i think chrono cross will look shitty no matter what though

[Anonymous No.1370253]

>>1370243
If you're willing to play at 2x resolution, there is indeed another option, though it will look a tad blurry.

[Anonymous No.1370261]

>>1370225
Also, you have to be very careful with black when dealing with old games. A lot of the time you will think certain screens ought to be black, or a part of a screen should be black, but it's really a dark gray. Super Mario All-Stars level screens come to mind.

Use some dedicated software to find the proper settings for your television/monitor, and trust them.

[Anonymous No.1370319]

>>1370253

it looks nice in battle

out of battle and menus everything looks terrible, bad framerate and these low res jpeg (?) backgrounds looks really bad upscaled (native resolution is too small for me)

the characters look weird and distorted, like they put too many textures on too few polygons or something

dunno, think the developers were trying too hard to do too much with the graphics and the end result was shitty

baten kaitos and resident evil on the gamecube look much, much better

[Anonymous No.1370323]

compare it to jade cocoon, which does something similar

the graphics are simpler i guess but are much less rough

[Anonymous No.1370346]

>>1370319
This kind of game really only looks good when you blur the fuck out of it at 2x scale (like in >>1370243) or with a CRT shader (like in >>1370206). Anything else looks pretty ass, at least in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.1370383]

>>1370206

>renaming Cid to Kain

Literally the most retarded thing on this board.

[Anonymous No.1370387]

>>1370323

The fact that it's only about 10 hours long probably helps it look so good.

[Anonymous No.1370420]

I sort of like crt-interlaced-halation, but how the fuck do I tone down the scanlines and curvature?
I only want slight curvature and barely noticable scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1370436]

>>1369047
I'm using scan lines as well. Funny, because I started this game couple of hours ago with the same translation patch.

I expect good things from this game.

[Anonymous No.1370445]

>>1369028
>>1369047
I've got mixed feelings towards both of these pictures.
I'll admit that the unfiltered looks very nice, so BoF2 is a fine example of raw output that looks fine. But I have to say that even though the scanlined picture is a bit too dark for my taste, it really feels like the grass and rocks were supposed to look like that. That just doesn't come across in the unfiltered image.

[Anonymous No.1370453]

>>1369438

>FF7 models
>Anything from 1995-2000
>looking terrible

Oh please. FF7 field models are previous FF 2D sprites transformed to 3D. They're very expressive. They represent the characters. They have tons of animations. I love them.

This pic is sort of interesting since it is a "what if the field models were more detailed?" test. As you can see, it really doesn't make much difference. The camera is so far away you can't make much detail out. The super deformed models are mostly as good. They have just the right amount of detail as needed. They're certainly way better than FF8's models.

Overall, FF7 and other 2D-3D mix games are gorgeous. The real issue is how to handle the mix of HD models, and low definition 2D backgrounds. I use a CRT monitor or TV at 480p. The backgrounds look so sharp and so good. Just can't get that on my 1080p LED.

Now for other games? They're all over the place. Some look hideous, some look great. They were just figuring out how to do 3D, and the consoles were a little too weak to do really detailed 3D.

[Anonymous No.1370458]

Games were intended to be played with scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1370460]

>>1369438
I don't think games like Crash, and most N64 games looked bad

most PS1 games looked fucking horrible though, I get nausea from trying to play Siphon Filter

[Anonymous No.1370461]

>>1370458

Yes, we know the scanline people go a little over board. but that's total strawmanning. The lines are uneven and simple black lines. See >>1368657 for what people actually use.

Scanlines I think are too problematic to use anyways, since they require interger scaling, so you can't use the entire screen.

[Anonymous No.1370465]

>>1370460

I'm the opposite. It's mostly the bad textures in N64 games.that disust me. I'll take smaller areas and less detail over bad blurry textures.

[Anonymous No.1370471]

>>1370461

it's a gameboy color game

[Anonymous No.1370476]

>>1369028
>>1369047
the text box looks way better when it's broken up ever so slightly by the scan lines

[Anonymous No.1370489]

>>1370476
>>1369047
I think I found a personal sweet spot. Corrected the black levels and reduced the bluring.

[Anonymous No.1370528]

>>1370489

still too blurry mate

[Anonymous No.1370672]

>>1368678
fook your asian nweeb mother. supereagle was pretty much a more memory efficient version of the HQ2x filter.

>>1368657
looks like NTSC Component filter mixed with 50% scanlines. doubt that would look good on every single game. because PAL games and shitty games optimised for composite dithering exist?

[Anonymous No.1370678]

>>1369284
dot matrix only works if you're really nostalgic about handheld graphix, or if you use it with a 40inch +++ TV and sit 6 feet away from it.

[Anonymous No.1371702]

>>1370179
How should I setup the .cgp file to load this shader? I'm a noob when it comes to Retroarch and shaders.

Also I get the impression the rgb filter isn't doing anything

[Anonymous No.1371730]

>>1371702
After a bit more testing, there definitely seems to be something wrong with the shader file you provided. Followed your instructions to the letter, including the editing, etc. But the shader simply doesn't seem to do anything. Other shaders are working fine.

[Anonymous No.1371792]

In the PSX area i like an interesting shader for the gdsx plugin i will post some screens as i do them ,since i can't take screenshots in full screen mode

[Anonymous No.1371795]

>>1371792

[Anonymous No.1371815]

>>1368889
That filter looks like complete shit.

[Anonymous No.1371826]

>>1371795
maybe ill dump a bunch of these

the various effects only can be noticed barely sometimes ,on this one crash's shadow is aliased

[Anonymous No.1371830]

>>1371702
You don't load a .cgp file. You increase the shader pass by 1, and there you select the Cg shader.

[Anonymous No.1371832]

>>1371815
too blurry, maybe if he increases the internal res

it looks like bilinear + gamma ramp

[Anonymous No.1371884]

[Anonymous No.1371890]

>>1371884

[Anonymous No.1371896]

gameboy games benefit from shaders too

[Anonymous No.1371931]

>>1371896
somehow i like playing like this

your pic looks like a GB screen, did it do that ?

[Anonymous No.1371984]

>>1371890
chrono is too bright, ill have to tweak it

[Anonymous No.1371989]

>>1371984
Gamma correction here too

but i believe RetrArch is still the best for psx 2d games

[Anonymous No.1372001]

>>1371931
yes the gameboy screen is a dot matrix screen and the pixel density is quite low

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1372003]

>>1371896
DEM PIXELS!


ohh sorry i have massive nostalgia or the GBC

[Anonymous No.1372030]

>>1371931

Retro Arch has shaders like this.

[Anonymous No.1372050]

>>1371830
Yeah, I figured that out later, thanks. But this shader still isn't working - now RA crashes to the desktop whenever I activate it. Other shaders are working fine.

[Anonymous No.1372071]

>>1372050
That's really weird.Are you using D3D or OpenGL?

[Anonymous No.1372094]

>>1372071
it is posible that he is using an old card , last year i had a laptop from 2007 that could never load a cgp file

[Anonymous No.1372121]

poorfag here my laptop can't do OpenGL neither .cgp, only 2 light cg shaders together

the best combo i found was scanlines + gamma

i had to do some tweaking on the algorithm for the scanlines to display properly at x2 resolution since it can't handle the default x4 that the shader needs

no bilinear pass, it sucks

it works fine and the screen isn't too blurry

[Anonymous No.1372127]

>>1372071
>>1372094
I'm using an AMD Fusion A6 6400K APU (Radeon HD8470 integrated graphics). Running on d3d9 mode because shaders weren't working on gl mode for some reason - but all the shaders packed with Retroarch that I've tested worked perfectly with the d3d9 driver.

But now that you mention it, yeah, while the HD8470 is more than enough to handle it, maybe the infamous amd drivers are to blame - probably the reason shaders aren't working in OpenGL. Tomorrow I'll give it a try on my other machine with a Nvidia GTX 285 gpu.

[Anonymous No.1372128]

>>1372121

That looks pretty bad, anon.

[Anonymous No.1372136]

>>1372127
I use an HD5750, and shaders work just fine in OpenGL mode.

[Anonymous No.1372147]

>>1372128
really?

assuming you aren't bashing me for using scanlines, what looks so bad ?

[Anonymous No.1372149]

>>1372136
i believe you. I never had any problem with OpenGL and shaders in other emulators before (epsxe for exeample) in this computer. And I'm pretty sure it worked in older versions of RA. It's really strange, but I didn't mind it since I never tried custom shaders before and the ones packed with RA are working fine in d3d.

[Anonymous No.1372302]

>>1372030
I wish that shader also came in color.

[Anonymous No.1372507]

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/91sakv0qdyxjx9f/cGOfV7ZOKd

Dropbox for current RetroArch, which has strong shader support.

Shader pack download:
https://github.com/libretro/common-shaders/archive/master.zip

Open Emu also uses .cg

[Anonymous No.1372520]

>>1369372
At last I trully see.

[Anonymous No.1372878]

>>1372520
some ntsc and all it does for good is dithering

[Anonymous No.1372887]

>>1372030
that's horrible

[Anonymous No.1372894]

>>1372507
so does Snes 9x, it can use cg and even cgp i believe, i wish RA wasn't whored in every thread like who doesn't know it already

[Anonymous No.1372957]

did some more yesterday but i fell asleep while editing hehe

here is cortex head, i like how the texture doesn't lose detail but the external jaggies get fix'd

[Anonymous No.1372993]

>>1372302
you mean like this?

[Anonymous No.1373000]

>>1372887
babby detected

[Anonymous No.1373002]

Which shader I use depends on the game. I use xBR on most but it fucks up the font in a few games (MMX6 comes to mind). In that case, I use a simpler filter I guess.

CRT filters are garbage. There is no point to scanlines; they're graphical noise. The round screen CRT preset thing in RetroArch made me dizzy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1373005]

>>1372887

Then the original gameboy had an horrible screen.

[Anonymous No.1373013]

>>1373005
Well, it was... But not because of the dot matrix.

[Anonymous No.1373420]

>>1373002
>made me dizzy as fuck.
LOL sucks to be you

[Anonymous No.1373435]

>>1373000
>The screen is horrible, so lets replicate it in a medium that makes it look even worse!

If you think that moldy dick green is a good color, you're color blind.

[Anonymous No.1373442]

>>1373435
way to completely miss the point of the shader. It's not about whether the game boy screen was good (it wasn't), it's about the shader replicating the pixel spacing, color, and response time/motion blur to get an idea of what the game would have looked like on that crappy screen.

[Anonymous No.1373459]

>>1373442
>it's about the shader replicating the pixel spacing, color, and response time/motion blur to get an idea of what the game would have looked like on that crappy screen.

So it should also turn your screen's backlight off and not be playable on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.1373462]

>>1373459
you are one dumb pedantic fuck

[Anonymous No.1373465]

>>1373462
>It's about making it as accurate as possible!

>Lol you're stupid because you recommended things that make it more accurate to the original.

Filter retards, everyone.

[Anonymous No.1373476]

>>1373459
>he didn't backlight mod his DMG!
Also
>what's a Game Boy Light

[Anonymous No.1373485]

>>1373465
What's next, it's not accurate because it doesn't have Cheeto fingerprints and a reflection of your ugly face due to glare?

[Anonymous No.1373505]

>>1373476
What, are we emulating mods now?
and it's not a GB Light emulator, so that's out.

>>1373485
>He's right, so I'm going for baseless insults now!

[Anonymous No.1373518]

>>1373505
You know the shader can be modified to use Game Boy Pocket and Light palettes, right?

[Anonymous No.1373521]

>>1373518
We're just going to sit and split hairs, so I'm going to stop now.

Take that as you will.

[Anonymous No.1373546]

I don't like scanlines either, I never noticed them on a real CRT unless I'd glue my eyes to the screen. Maybe on a 37 inch CRT or bigger they're more noticeable, but I'm sure most people didn't use screens larger than 27 or 29".

My problem with most filters is that they often _don't_ replicate the original experience because often the effects are too exaggerated. They need to be more subtle.

For me one of the best combinations to replicate the experience of playing on a real crt + composite is 4xsoft + a gamma filter. But it's not perfect, again I find 4xsoft blurring too excessive.

[Anonymous No.1373663]

>>1373546

Use the GTU shader, it has fine tuned control over the amount of blur it has.

http://www.libretro.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1114

[Anonymous No.1373669]

>>1373005

you say that like it isn't 100% fucking true

[Anonymous No.1373679]

Where are all these dark lines coming from? I have a CRT and I don't see them.

[Anonymous No.1373681]

Is there anything like a simple gamma correction and variable brightness scanlines shader?

I feel like "authentic ntsc/crt" filters just blur things. I am quite fond of the way some light scanlines make old games look vivid and sharp, but I do notice the weird gamma in some games.

[Anonymous No.1373690]

>>1373681
I have a CRT and I do see them

[Anonymous No.1373692]

>>1373690

meant to reply to

>>1373679

[Anonymous No.1373697]

news flash: not every CRT displays the same exact image

[Anonymous No.1373701]

>>1373681

see

>>1373663

Set signalResolution to 1024 to remove blur
tvVerticalResolution controls scanline focusing, low values defocus scanlines, high values give more defined scanlines.
blackLevel and contrast control color levels.

[Anonymous No.1373714]

>>1373690
that's obviously VGA native res, probably interlaced mode. My trinitron doesn't look anything close to that running psx. If I were you, I'd line double that shit, it kind of hurts to look at after a while. Just run at 640x480 and use hsize and vsize to overscan.

[Anonymous No.1373718]

CRT shader need really high resolutions to accurately simulate the effects of a CRT raster scan, otherwise they're not much different from standard scanline filters.

[Anonymous No.1373719]

>>1373714

No, it's 240p, and it looks superb, especially at a slight distance. Line doubling just makes it look blocky unless you do some considerably horizontal blurring.

[Anonymous No.1373729]

[Anonymous No.1373740]

>>1371896
still too bright, it needs be darker with a worm light shader for true gameboy nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.1373742]

>>1373740

i will lol if such a shader exists

[Anonymous No.1373775]

I'm using OpenEmu and this filter is fucking awesome but the game runs slow and the sound is choppy as fuck. Why? Is it the emu or the mac?

[Anonymous No.1373784]

do you guys actually believe this is how tube tvs looked?

[Anonymous No.1373790]

>>1373775

Possibly the emu, Open Emu uses Mednafen rather than Mame/Mess for some stupid reason.

[Anonymous No.1373792]

>>1372957
>hehe

[Anonymous No.1373794]

>>1373000
>>1373005
sure, it looks like a genuine GB screen, but it looks like one that is trying to display while the batteries are dying.

[Anonymous No.1373801]

>>1372121
wtf... my old computer fromm 2003 could do OpenGL, wtf are you talking about? are you on drugs?

[Anonymous No.1373802]

>>1373794

my gb never looked that good

i was lucky if i could find a decent light source that wasn't reflected all over the screen and into my eyes

[Anonymous No.1373804]

>>1373459
you are a moron, no one is forcing you to do anything, it's all preferance, unlike most of these threads most people aren't saying that's the only way to play these games, it's just what THEY like.

[Anonymous No.1373806]

>>1373802
0/10

[Anonymous No.1373858]

>>1373804
>no one is forcing you to do anything
Man, you must have some serious reading comprehension issues if you thought I was implying being forced to do anything.

Since you're gonna nitpick, it's spelled preference.

[Anonymous No.1373873]

>>1373742
Someone needs to make one.

[Anonymous No.1373884]

>>1373858
you were the one nitpicking, and if that wasn't what you were talking about then I fail to see the point of anything you have posted at all.

[Anonymous No.1373886]

>>1373742
>>1373740
the thing is, since the gb's screen wasn't glass it never looked like that, it kinda just looked like the light version of a dull thud if that makes any sense.

[Anonymous No.1373914]

>>1373886

[Anonymous No.1373991]

>>1373729

Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1374030]

>>1373792
i mistakenly wrote "hehe" instead of "here", i thought i deleted that, but as you can see in the next part, i wrote "here" again

[Anonymous No.1374042]

>>1373801
no dumbo i said laptop, not pc , also that laptop has an intel videocard that doesn't suport open gl or pixel shader at all, even if it says it complies with pixel shader 3 and opengl 2, it just super slows down to 1 fps on either or crashes, can't even do minecraft, it does d3d fine to a certain extent, the intel gma x3100 its called

[Anonymous No.1374062]

crt filters as they are now just hide the horrible pixelation of the sprites with scanlines, and darkens the screen a lot, until a pixel can be perfectly rendered without the overall darkening i will instead use the brighter options, hallation is a joke

[Anonymous No.1374104]

>>1373546
> never notice scanlines
30% scanlines and add a bilinear filter to blur to taste. and sit 6 feet away from your overally large screen.

>>1374062
some emulators have a "brighten" feature too. or you could just turn up the brightness of your monitor, either on your monitor or videocard software. seriously.

[Anonymous No.1374110]

I recently discovered Kega fusion has a decent NTSC plugin that works to blend the dithering very well.

[Anonymous No.1374157]

>>1373679
they're probably less visible due to blur. Hook your stuff up via RGB and you'll see them.

[Anonymous No.1374316]

>>1374104
>could just turn up the brightness of your monitor, either on your monitor or videocard software. seriously.

no that brightens the black scanlines to grey levels and overall fucks up the image in the opposite way, its not that easy genius

[Anonymous No.1374745]

>>1373465
you were recommending things that are physically impossible to do on a monitor through software. You are the retard.

[Anonymous No.1375293]

>>1374745
In theory the software that controls brightness can be modified to shut it off entirely.

If a software bug can do it, I don't see why a programmer couldn't.

[Anonymous No.1375934]

[Anonymous No.1375968]

>>1375293
first of all, aside from macs and laptops you're not going to find hardly any monitors that allow for backlight control through software. Secondly, all of them have safeguards built into the firmware of the monitor that prevents them from displaying at a brightness too low to be visible without a backlight. Thirdly, even if you could turn off the backlight, you wouldn't end up with anything resembling a gameboy screen because the off-state of a modern screen shows black, not white like a gameboy or calculator.

[Anonymous No.1375973]

I play my games on authentic carts, on authentic consoles, on a CRT because I'm not a little pussy bitch.

[Anonymous No.1376134]

>2014
>not buying a decent but really cheap or even gifted CRT, a cheap console and a flash cart

or

>not using a CRT monitor

Do you even /vr/?

[Anonymous No.1376143]

>>1368657
Looks like shit, seriously why people do this?

You can play just fine with no filters at all, you just don't have to be glued to the monitor

[Anonymous No.1376575]

>>1375934
>Future blind kid
Nearsightedness is afflicted much less by age than farsightedness.
Either way though, worst that could happen from just screen distance is focus issues, outside of comicbook style accidents with a cathode ray tube.

[Anonymous No.1376804]

If you had a 4K 120hz G-Sync monitor with a good CRT shader, would it basically be the same as a CRT?

[Anonymous No.1376903]

>>1376804

No, for a few reasons. I think you might need around 8000p resolutions to accurately simulate a CRT shadow mask tv. And for 120hz displays, you need to use blacklight stuff, which simulates 60hz motion. But that can also cause issues if the frame-rate drops at all it's really obvious.

"CRT" shaders are just approximations to Apperture grille CRTs, and even then it's way off. I think we should move away from the "CRT" aim and just focus on making it look as good without trying to replicate all the CRT-ness.

[Anonymous No.1376913]

>>1376903
It would depend on the screen size I think.

[Anonymous No.1377052]

>>1376134
I use shaders with a 17inch CRT monitor

[Anonymous No.1377062]

>>1376903
>8000p

Only if trying to simulate individual phosphors.

Without worrying about phosphors, we can accurately simulate a CRT raster scan at 10x scale (2400p)

[Anonymous No.1377151]

>>1376903
>But that can also cause issues if the frame-rate drops at all it's really obvious.

That happens with software black frame insertion, not with display controlled backlight flickering

[Anonymous No.1378214]

>>1376804
2160p120 G-sync with configurable strobe lighting (on/off duration, brightness boost to counter the black, persistence to ALLOW ghosting if/when you want it), IPS colors, dead black blacks, AND sub-8ms input latency WHEN?

[Anonymous No.1379215]

>>1371792
>>1371884
>>1372957

source?

does it work on RA ?

[Anonymous No.1379654]

>>1379215
The Shader:
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Custom-Shaders-for-GSdx?pid=334766#pid334766

The Plugin:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sn81iwsyh208lja/Pcsxr_Hi_Res_Plugins_r01

you'll need a good pc to use it

[Anonymous No.1379674]

/vr/ RetroArch spam thread #90324234. You guys could be a little less obvious in your attempts to make this shitty frontend viral.

[Anonymous No.1379786]

>>1379674
>Implying you're any better than them

[Anonymous No.1379832]

>>1379654
>4.00 fps (6%)
Oh my goodness.

[Anonymous No.1380824]

>>1379674

>viral

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.1381012]

>>1369372
Initially I said left cause dat HD wall, but after spending some time I realized the right looks way better. The waterfall is the main thing that shows the difference, and the blurryness isn't bad considering it would probably look perfect on a CRT, and when standing a bit away from the screen.

filters is masterrace

[Anonymous No.1381024]

>>1381012
I selectively use an NTSC filter when the game has lots of dithering. I don't use scanlines/etc with it, either, just the slight horizontal blurriness and chroma aberration.

[Anonymous No.1381313]

>>1376804
You're still going to have ghosting and crap darks that come with inferior displays unless it's an oled in which case maybe.
If you had it with a decent monitor and at a decent brightness. More or less, anyone giving you actual shit about that would be an asshole.

[Anonymous No.1381876]

>>1379832
> funny i thought no one would notice

yeah somehow that happens whenever i take a screenshot everything slows down because the dumb program asks what to do, but fixed that yesterday,if anything Gsdx is known for going so fast that you need to sync the audio to keep it from running over 60 fps

[Anonymous No.1381878]

>>1381876
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1381880]

>>1381012
if you used a crt you wouldn't need to worry about filters at all, so the blurriness is not ok and it would not look better on a crt

[Anonymous No.1381882]

>>1381876
Other plugins often run faster. They just hold their own sync. Though honestly, sync should be handled by the program itself rather than the plugins.

[Anonymous No.1381886]

>>1379674
>200 replies
>Ctrl+F
>"Retroarch"
>4 times

I'll give you 1/10 since you made me reply

[Anonymous No.1381890]

>>1381882
yeah the main point of using it at all is the shader i was talking about on my other posts, otherwise there are better options

[Anonymous No.1381894]

>>1381886

>14 times

[Anonymous No.1382476]

>>1381012
fuk the waterfall. i hate blurry text. 3X with opengl bilinear for me.

[Anonymous No.1382491]

How come my CRT monitor at low res looks nothing like these overblown scanline filters?

[Anonymous No.1382519]

[Anonymous No.1382537]

>>1382491
because monitors aren't tvs

[Anonymous No.1382541]

>>1382537
But TVs are monitors.

[Anonymous No.1382580]

>>1382519
That's not bad at all.

I think there's too much glow, but it looks nice otherwise.

[Anonymous No.1383013]

[Anonymous No.1383052]

>>1382491
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT_Shaders
Read the first paragraph.

[Anonymous No.1383514]

>>1382491

How come mine does?

[Anonymous No.1383516]

>>1382491
You're not going low res enough.

[Anonymous No.1383520]

>>1368657
Why do you people like scanlines so much? They hurt my eyes, and it really ruins the experience for me.

[Anonymous No.1383532]

>>1383520

Because 2D games need scanlines to look good

[Anonymous No.1383537]

>>1383532
VGA DOS games prove you wrong. They were line doubled and never had prominent scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1383540]

>>1383532
It doesn't look better IMO, besides even if it did it really hurts my eyes a lot.

[Anonymous No.1383541]

>>1383537

VGA DOS games are ugly though

[Anonymous No.1383657]

>>1383520
because it somewhat resembles what the original looked (a lot less pixelated)

however you may not like them because you

a) like the superior CRT display and most likely have access to one for playing

b) like crisp graphics over everything

c) never played these games on a CRT

[Anonymous No.1383909]

>>1383520
The same can often be said of strobe motion and bright visuals (More a monitor configuration issue than anything), display choices in general.
What hurts my eyes and ruins the experience for me in particular is bloom lighting, like you'd see in modern video games. That is used to simulate a focus defect on lighting. Not only does it make me feel like my glasses and eyes are failing me, but that my monitor is too broken to display brights as well. It's disgusting.

But for scanlines, they're often used for scaling that seems natural to the eyes.
Edges of pixels can be rounded without seeming blurry. Lines of smaller fonts can be separated.
Bright colors span to nearby dark areas, while darks stay small. For contrast.
Having a persistent dark to focus on makes lighting transitions easier on some people.

I'd say >>1383514 that's a good example for readability, but the font is a little too simplistic and proper. It doesn't benefit much. Low resolution Japanese fonts are a much, much better example.

>>1368657 and >>1373718 that are very good examples of bloom for contrast. they use the lines between the scanlines as a space to bloom brights out into, making the contrast much more visible.

But of course, just adding native resolution black lines on afterwards makes no damn sense. Those are not scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1384260]

>>1383909
bloom is just bright blurriness all over the place, i hate it too, maybe they are compensating for the led screens lower brightness

[Anonymous No.1384280]

>>1384260
They're generally trying to simulate a lack of focus on intense brightness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_%28shader_effect%29
Yes, when they refer to lenses, that refers to human eyes as well. Realism a shit.

[Anonymous No.1384456]

>>1383657

d) did play these games on a CRT, but a good one (i.e., a cheap one) that didn't needlessly crap weird lines over everything in order to pump pleasure chemicals into some 80's A/V neckbeard's OCD gland

[Anonymous No.1384460]

>>1384456
>shitting on aperture grill

[Anonymous No.1384527]

>>1384456
you could only have used one of those two in the picture, both have lines over everything, idiot

[Anonymous No.1384535]

damm

here is the picture for >>1384527

[Anonymous No.1384539]

>>1384260
Bloom was big before real dynamic lighting was common. It looks awful, sure, but its not in every single game anymore.

[Anonymous No.1384962]

>>1379674

This thread is about shaders. Open Emu also uses .cg shaders. Any program is open to use the .cg standard.

There's other shader formats too. Higan uses its own, and most .cg shaders have been ported to it.

MAME also has its own thing.

[Anonymous No.1385365]

>>1383520
>They hurt my eyes
HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.1385367]

>>1383537
And they look like shit

[Anonymous No.1385368]

>>1383540
>it really hurts my eyes a lot.
Either you're doing something stupid or there's something wrong with your eyes.

[Anonymous No.1385430]

Scanline a shit

[Anonymous No.1385446]

>>1385430
>C:\GAMES\NINTENDO\SM\SM.EXE

Love it.

[Anonymous No.1385460]

>>1385430
It's funny that you posted that because I've always liked this screenshot from a CRT shader comparison.

[Anonymous No.1385612]

>>1385460
But it's the wrong aspect ratio, assuming you've using square pixels.

[Anonymous No.1385919]

i do good, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.1385924]

>>1385460

That's a little stretched, but that looks remarkably like my SNES on my PVM via RGB.

[Anonymous No.1386261]

>>1385460

[Anonymous No.1386284]

>>1385460
Fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1386349]

>>1385919
Well, it's certainly ``stylish''.

[Anonymous No.1386536]

>>1385430
Disgusting
>>1385460
Too much bloom
>>1386261
Perfect

[Anonymous No.1386969]

I like it

[Anonymous No.1386996]

>>1385460

I like that. What is it?

[Anonymous No.1387002]

>>1386996
Super Metroid

[Anonymous No.1387020]

>>1386996
filthypants.blogspot_com/2012/07/customizing-cgwgs-crt-pixel-shader.html
mid-page

[Anonymous No.1387019]

>>1387002

the shader numbnuts

[Anonymous No.1388628]

>>1371896
I was always amused at the red of that sword's handle and the hearts seeming to give them shading on the right by not showing any light.

[Anonymous No.1389217]

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/91sakv0qdyxjx9f/cGOfV7ZOKd

RetroArch dev builds.

[Anonymous No.1390045]

>>1389217
Go home squarepusher

[Anonymous No.1391220]

>>1384539
bloom would have never been used if not for certain popular shooter gams.. and lazy software guys not improving on the speed of ray-traced graphix.

[Anonymous No.1391534]

>>1390045

squarepusher spends his time in emulation general ranting about how bill gates is part of the illuminati

[Anonymous No.1391554]

>>1391534
Please tell me you have a screencap

[Anonymous No.1391572]

>>1391554

Someone mentioned Bill Gates, and that set SP off. Starts here:
http://archive.foolz.us/vg/thread/59555985/#59647025

I honestly have no clue what he's even getting at. Guy seems nuts.

[Anonymous No.1391578]

>>1384535
>>1384527
Incorrect. Some TVs used this phosphor arrangement, which has no scanlines at all.

[Anonymous No.1391615]

>>1391578
>Some TVs used this phosphor arrangement,

Which ones? i've only seen CRT Monitors with that kind of arrangement.

>has no scanlines at all.

Correction of terminology. The "scanline" is the areas showing stuff. The darker lines are... well I don't know what the proper term for them is. Blacklines?

[Anonymous No.1391625]

>>1391572
What a great read. Good fodder for later.

[Anonymous No.1391630]

>>1391578
>which has no scanlines at all.
The physical mask does not have any contiguous horizontal lines. The pattern of the raster will still have lines, though. With a coarse enough raster or a fine enough mask, you'll still see them.

[Anonymous No.1391642]

>>1384456
>but a good one (i.e., a cheap one) that didn't needlessly crap weird lines over everything
CRT televisions were built for resolving interlaced signals. If your TV was so blurry that you couldn't see the scanlines in a 240p signal, it would be absolutely miserable at resolving a broadcast 480i signal. The only sets I've seen like that are 5" and smaller portables.

[Anonymous No.1391648]

>>1391625

1. Not 100% confirmed for SP since he was anon at the time. SP never posts with a trip. But he's the only one in EmuGen who shit posts regularily like that and he's known to rant like that.
2. His posts on that bodybuilder forum were also 100% conspiracy stuff, so it fits.
3. There's another guy who jumps in and defends libertarianism, that's not SP. Just another shit poster.

[Anonymous No.1391656]

>>1391615
>Which ones? i've only seen CRT Monitors with that kind of arrangement.
Very old color televisions have triad masks like that. As soon as the first Trinitron was introduced (and patented), everyone started trying to improve the efficiency of their shadow masks, leading to the common ChromaClear-style slot mask. The dot triads give you better resolution and color purity, at the cost of energy efficiency.

[Anonymous No.1391660]

>>1391648
So square pushy is a beefy nerd? Or is he just tyrannosaurus built?

[Anonymous No.1391669]

>>1391615
Skiplines

[Anonymous No.1391671]

>>1391669
>Skiplines

Is that the proper nomenclature?

[Anonymous No.1391676]

>>1391671
Technically, they're collectively referred to as the "mask".

[Anonymous No.1393281]

>>1368726
I have a problem with GTU, does anyone know how to fix this? I tried on opengl and d3d9 but it won't just load. Also I can't use CRT Geom Sharpness it just says "RetroArch [WARN] :: [GL]: Stock GLSL shaders will be used. when I try to apply it.

I have AMD Radeon HD7970 with latest drivers. Do I need something else?

[Anonymous No.1394164]

>>1391572

wtf

[Anonymous No.1394214]

>>1393281
it's a bug with AMD drivers, try setting range to a fixed value ( between 2 ans 12, less is faster ) and see if it works.
#endif
range = 10;
float i;
for (i=-range;i<range+2.0;i++){
PROCESS(i)
}

[Anonymous No.1394410]

>>1394214
Yes, after setting range to fixed value in pass1 and pass3, it finaly works. Thanks man. Also does anyone know how to get rid of that black bar at the bottom?

[Anonymous No.1394418]

>>1394410

TOO BLURRY

[Anonymous No.1394428]

>>1394418
How about now?

[Anonymous No.1394443]

>>1394428

It's just the way the blur works. GTU looks like bilinear but you can modify it. I hate the way bilinear works.

[Anonymous No.1394448]

>>1394428

TOO MANY DARK LINES

[Anonymous No.1394459]

>That feel when I have a sharp looking CRT which displays attractive scanlines at lower resolution without having to resort to horrible filters

Now if only MAME didn't suck so horribly that I have to choose between blur and screen-tearing.

[Anonymous No.1394478]

>>1394459

Have you tried RetroArch port of MAME? It has a much better means of sycn called DYnamic Rate Control.

[Anonymous No.1394560]

>>1394428

Could you do that without the lines?

[Anonymous No.1394575]

>>1394410
Black bar is hard coded in the game. Not sure what for, but it's there.

[Anonymous No.1395180]

>>1394428
>cyan and magenta

[Anonymous No.1395182]

>>1395180

yo dawg that don't look bad what is that?

[Anonymous No.1395191]

>>1383520

agree, feel the same way about film grain

[Anonymous No.1395196]

>>1395191
>feel the same way about film grain

haha

faggot

[Anonymous No.1395208]

>>1395182
http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=cSQ2cs8k
Rename CG, change gamma in code if you want different ramp. that one is set to 2.2 the code linked is set to 2.0

>>1395191
Eh, film grain is iffy. Too much and it's definitely bad. I prefer my HD content without it. But if I'm watching downloaded videos with block artifacts for whatever reason off youtube/lower quality rips etc... I'll throw some grain on it and it looks better.

[Anonymous No.1395219]

>>1395208
Here's an example of where I prefer grain.
Lower quality SD video, it's good for the color banding in this image.

[Anonymous No.1395220]

>>1395219
And not so blocky/banded looking.

[Anonymous No.1395221]

>>1395220

why not sharpen the image without adding grain

the rapid blinking everywhere is distracting and irritating

[Anonymous No.1395223]

>>1395191
If you're talking about artificially adding it in, then yeah, it's kinda dumb. However, if you're talking about taking it OUT of old movies that originally had it, then it's not a question of purism or whatever, but of the fact that removing grain often leads to a loss in detail, since it's naturally a part of the picture, and filtering it out results in other parts of the image being filtered out alongside it, which is why DNR'ed films tend to look plasticy and fake.

[Anonymous No.1395224]

>>1395221
It's a soft grain. Also because sharpen alone enhances blocking and color banding which is the opposite of what I want. If anything I want it blurred, but blurring it would also make the image fuzzier, so the compromise is adding grain which helps to randomize/normalize it. The grain 'blinking' isn't so bad when you can adjust the degree of grain. Grain comes in different size, different contrast levels and different speed variance. A slight low contrast grain helps to blend where blurring would be overkill.

[Anonymous No.1395228]

>>1395224
This is just with a sharpen on it. You'll notice especially say on the background blue area on the left side and the tree you can see how the the banding and artifacts are actually made worse.

[Anonymous No.1395229]

>>1395228
Also worth looking at the brush to her right at the patch of medium green where the color blocking stands out, with sharpen it's even more blocky and with the grain it's blended in.

Mind you this gets blown up full screen, so do zoom in to see the details.

[Anonymous No.1395252]

>>1395191
The detail in FILM comes from the grain. ISO grain, on the other hand, is actually bad for your image.

[Anonymous No.1395259]

>>1395228

looks better

dots look worse than blocky square artifacts

[Anonymous No.1395265]

would never watch / try to remaster a low quality video source though so it doesn't really matter

[Anonymous No.1395272]

>>1395259
No it doesn't and no they don't.

[Anonymous No.1395276]

>>1395272

w/e i just don't understand why someone would complain about blockiness when dottiness is just as much if not more distracting

do you not notice the dots or what

[Anonymous No.1395285]

>>1395191
To me film grain is like pixels. I want to be able to see every single one upon close scrutiny.
When I watch/play the image is already blurred enough so that I barely notice them. I hate filters that remove grain because they often remove information as well.

[Anonymous No.1395338]

>>1395285
>pixels. I want to be able to see every single one upon close scrutiny.
There's something deeply wrong with you. It will take years to unravel. Best start now.

[Anonymous No.1395636]

The devs never intended for their games to have a certain kind of look to them, so arguing about it is pointless.

What their intentions we're was to get the gist of the image across regardless of the quality of display or connection you were using. Even on a black and white TV, which is the kind of tv I had in my house up until the late 90's.

[Anonymous No.1396186]

>>1395636
>The devs never intended for their games to have a certain kind of look to them, so arguing about it is pointless.

Games were only thought to be on CRT tvs, with the original console. The idea of "emulation" or HD displays was beyond them. Most didn't even think about anything past the original release of the game. That's why many assets to games were simply lost. No one put any thought to "how are people going to play this game 30 years from now".

Shaders are largely about adapting SD games for CRTs to HD LCDs. With varying degrees of success.

[Anonymous No.1396198]

>>1395636
>What their intentions we're was to get the gist of the image across regardless of the quality of display or connection you were using
This, holy fuck.

It isn't like video game devs assumed everyone owned the exact same TV.

[Anonymous No.1396361]

>>1396198
Depends. In the case of some home computers and arcade machines they definitely did, and arranged dithering effects to use the blending of colours on the same scanline to overcome colour limitations.

This is why some old Japanese computer games have these strange textures with lots of vertical lines, because the lines where supposed to blend into a mixed colour.

[Anonymous No.1396367]

>>1396361
Example of what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.1396370]

>>1396367
I fap to PC88 dithering.
It's absolutely stunning what they managed with just the 8 most basic colors.

[Anonymous No.1396375]

>>1376903
>>1377151
If your framerate ever drops you're doing something wrong. Maybe you're using Windows and it fails at realtime.

[Anonymous No.1396376]

>all this autism over CRT shaders

[Anonymous No.1396404]

>>1396367
what are the second and third games in this image? they look interesting

[Anonymous No.1396414]

>>1391648
What the fuck? Why won't he just code the fucking front end? That's all that faggot is good for.

[Anonymous No.1396441]

>>1396186
>Shaders are largely about adapting SD games for CRTs to HD LCDs.
Just HD is fine, some of us are using HD CRTs.

[Anonymous No.1396452]

>>1396361
The most obvious visual aspect on Japanese 8 bit computers (e.g. X1, PC88, FM7) should be the strong black lines added to make reduce the aspect ratio to useful levels without adding pixels.
This comes at the expense of brightness so if you are emulating them you are better of doubling the lines instead.
X1mil gives you the option to set the exact brightness of the doubled line so you can retain some of the dividing character.

[Anonymous No.1396453]

>>1396414

He's a good coder, but he's more than a little loopy. He's well known for getting into huge flamewars on boards, etc. He shitposts in Emulation General all the time. He's a bit of an odd ball.

[Anonymous No.1396462]

>>1396453
So what? I'm a good coder too. Doesn't mean I actively shitpost on threads.

I've seen that faggot interacting with his users on /vr/. It's just... There's a reason people boycott his emulator almost as if on principle.

[Anonymous No.1396505]

>>1396367
what is the rpg in the second and third panel vertically, shit looks pretty

[Anonymous No.1396573]

>>1395636
There was some hardware behavior that was exploited by devs to create certain effects. Like semi-transparencies on CRTs.

Here is an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6NLXga1i0M

[Anonymous No.1396589]

>>1396573
What the fuck is this guy talking about in these videos? Genesis outputs 224 active lines, non-interlaced. If your capture hardware is turning these into weaved 448-line frames, just pull them apart again.
>YADIF
What the fuck are you doing, nigger?

Old consoles don't output interlaced anything. The Genesis and SNES had interlace capability but it was very, VERY rarely used. The PS1 had some games that used 480i modes for their menu screens, because 640x480 framebuffers were too huge to use effectively in the PS1 VRAM.

[Anonymous No.1396676]

>>1396404
>>1396505
RPG is Gandhara: Buddha no Seisen.
The Space Harrier thing is Alantia.

[Anonymous No.1396690]

obligatory

[Anonymous No.1396760]

>>1396462

I'm sure he really misses a few thin-skinned fat nerds on /vr/ not using RetroArch. It's their loss really, not his.

[Anonymous No.1396768]

>>1396760
They likely do use it. They hate him, not the program. They have visceral reactions to the mere mention of it -- must be SP advertising.

[Anonymous No.1396776]

>>1396453
>He shitposts in Emulation General all the time

One guy in there shitposts back at him and encourages him to do it more. If that guy stopped doing that and just didn't reply, things would be much better. At least SP has a technical background and makes informative posts from time to time and monitors the thread for anyone posting issues with RetroArch or its cores.

[Anonymous No.1396796]

>>1396370
Ditto.
>>1396367
That's not required or designed around. It's simply an issue of end user's monitor/screen settings.
The goal was to create visible colors, regardless of whether or not they were blended. They just need to exist in the first place. And you can clearly see them without the blending unless your eyes are fucked up.
Either way, that blending makes the shitty Japanese fonts 3 times harder to read for me.

[Anonymous No.1396803]

>>1396375
It's not really about dropping frames. It's about the sync rate of the monitor rarely matching to the exact rate of the emulated system, EVEN if you go out of you way to set it as close as possible.
There's always variance.

[Anonymous No.1396983]

>>1396796
Those colours are not always so clear, and become less clear the more you scale the image to have it bigger than a postage stamp on current non-CRT monitors.

I totally believe these graphics were designed around the colour blending on each line though. Wether it was deliberate or not doesn't even matter, because the artists were working on the same kinds of monitors their users would have. If the parts where vertical lines are used to create a flat surface with a mixed colour works for you without some blending on the horizontal lines I believe your eyes must be worse fucked than mine.

[Anonymous No.1397347]

>>1396983
Even the strong blurring in that picture isn't enough to remove all the dithering.

The images were supposed to be displayed letterboxed on a 4:3 display but they're perfect for a 16:10 full screen. 1280x800 and 1920x1200 screens are best suited due to integer scaling.

[Anonymous No.1397385]

>>1372147
Looks good to me, and I'm a CRT faggot.

[Anonymous No.1397401]

>>1397385
thank you

[Anonymous No.1397402]

>>1396983
>If the parts where vertical lines are used to create a flat surface with a mixed colour works for you without some blending on the horizontal lines I believe your eyes must be worse fucked than mine
Well actually, it's basic pattern recognition. More of the brain than the eyes. Are you telling me you can't see basic dithering patterns as colors?

[Anonymous No.1397731]

>>1396462
> There's a reason people boycott his emulator almost as if on principle.

1. It's not an emulator.
2. The people who "boycott" it (names here pls) do so because they're autistic , they can't work together, and they're all too wrapped up into politics rather than actually getting shit done. Which is my thing right there - I get shit done - which some people seem to hate enough.
3. For some dumbass reason, they view libretro as a 'threat' rather than as a blessing. Since most coders tend to be lazy on average, quite why they would want to do all the frontend work themselves and not just use an API that does most of their work for them is food for psychologists.

But no matter their 'boycotts' - it doesn't really matter when I port all the stuff over myself. Libretro will happen and be relevant with or without their approval - and I think ultimately, that is what they hate the most - that they can do nothing to stop its rise to power.

Heheheheheheehhe......

[Anonymous No.1397737]

>>1396462

> I've seen that faggot interacting with his users on /vr/.

Those are not 'my users' or even 'emulator users'. They're nostalgia freaks clinging on to their CRTs like others cling to guns or the Bible. They were your typical "I'm too sexy for emulators and I'd rather waste my time with bitrotten cartridges and old consoles that don't upscale well to modern tellys and paying top dollar to greedy pawnshop owners' type guys.

[Anonymous No.1397750]

>>1397737
>nostalgia freaks
You know this is /vr/ right sp?

[Anonymous No.1397779]

>>1397737
>bitrotten cartridges
I don't think you understand how mask ROMs work.

[Anonymous No.1397998]

List of emus that use custom shaders?

.cg
>Snes9x
>RetroArch
>Open Emu

Higan
>.shader

What others?

[Anonymous No.1398010]

>>1397998
xm7 Dash has support for external rendering filters but I have no idea what format it uses.

[Anonymous No.1398013]

>>1397737
>bitrotten cartridges

Haha nigger what

[Anonymous No.1398017]

>>1397998
Epsxe & PCSX-R by means of DX and GL plugins

[Anonymous No.1398023]

>>1398017
>Epsxe & PCSX-R by means of DX and GL plugins

Oh those. Yeah.

The problem is that each emu has its own shader format. I think epsxe/pcsxr are the ONLY ones that use that format. Everyone needs to get on the same shader train, and .cg seems to have the most support.

[Anonymous No.1398036]

>>1397998
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Shaders_and_Filters#Emulator_support

[Anonymous No.1398041]

>>1398036

>all those hsader formats

What a mess.

[Anonymous No.1398162]

>>1397737
>They're nostalgia freaks clinging on to their CRTs

The hardcore CRT guys turn it into a religion, and go to extremes, but at the core, CRTs are the best for displaying SD games.

> "I'm too sexy for emulators and I'd rather waste my time with bitrotten cartridges and old consoles

"Bit rot" will happen, but for now many games still work fine. Emus are the future, since software will last forever. But for the time being hardware has its place.

>and old consoles that don't upscale well to modern tellys

True. You need an upscaler for proper upscaling.

>and paying top dollar to greedy pawnshop owners' type guys.

If you're smart, you can get PVMs for 0-50 dollars. People are selling Trinitrons for almost nothing. As long as you're smart you can get them for not much.

[Anonymous No.1398190]

>>1398162
Mask roms don't suffer from bit rot

Aka 99% of any consoles library won't degrade in anyone here's lifetime. Sp doesn't kno what the fuck he's talking about and that why he creates virtual OS's and not emulators.

[Anonymous No.1398202]

>>1398190
>any consoles library won't degrade
Neo Geo Pocket Color is /vr/ and its carts use flash ram so they will degrade. Probably some already have corruption.

[Anonymous No.1398204]

>>1398202
>>1398190

Everything degrades. Game cartridges are getting somewhat rare already. Many were just thrown out/abandoned. Some fail due to damage and not keeping it right. CDs are probably way more fragile. Can you imagine your "average person" keeping a PS1 cd in pristine condition? Nah, it's gonna have scratches.

[Anonymous No.1398209]

>>1398204
Surface scratches won't harm the data.

Some PS2 games might become unreadable because the glue in dual layer DVDs can decay, but even then the data is theoretically recoverable.

[Anonymous No.1398226]

>>1398209

Nah, I've had more than my fair share of CDs become unplayable. It's pretty common.

I'm just saying that yeah, under "ideal conditions" a collector can keep these games in working order for many more decades. From a realistic standpoint however, games are going to continue to disappear at a steady rate.

[Anonymous No.1398231]

>>1398202
Laseractive and other LD based consoles could suffer from laser rot. Magnetic tapes like VHS and datasettes have always been vulnerable. Magnetic disks like you find in the FDS and computer diskettes won't last forever.
Mainframe computers used punched tape or cards for storage and the systems themselves are extremely rare and hard to maintain.

[Anonymous No.1398421]

>>1397737

Reminder that SP likes xBr and other smoothing shaders.

His opinion on displays is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.1398707]

>>1398421
Nothing wrong with xBR. You're not forced to use it, it's just another choice.

[Anonymous No.1399952]

>>1369372
Look at this like a 3d image (cross eyed) and it looks amazing.

[Anonymous No.1399964]

>>1399952
what does that have to do with anything?, do you imply this image would look good on a 3d screen

[Anonymous No.1399971]

>>1399952
>>1399964
>>Look at this like a 3d image (cross eyed)
>do you imply this image would look good on a 3d screen
anon pls

[Anonymous No.1399974]

>>1399964
It looks good (sharp) on my screen, but doesn't look like the original.

Playing a 2d sonic game in 3d with the background having depth would be fun, but hard to concentrate on.

>>1399971
I can watch 3d hd porn on a normal screen.

[Anonymous No.1399985]

>>1394459
>first of all,

In mame's "hlsl" folder Open your prescale.fx.

Find this:

Texture = <Diffuse>;
MipFilter = LINEAR;
MinFilter = LINEAR;
MagFilter = LINEAR;

That's why MAME's HLSL always looked like blurry shit. It's using blurry, crappy linear filtering on everything. I'm not sure if the HLSL author actually realized that arcade monitors are crisp and sharp and don't look like N64 games, but here we are. Settings like defocus are USELESS when you're STARTING from N64 textures.

To fix it, all you have to do is change it to this:

Texture = <Diffuse>;
MipFilter = NONE;
MinFilter = NONE;
MagFilter = NONE;

>second of all

make sure your display is at 60Hz

Go to mame.ini
find "throttle" and change it to = 0
find "syncrefresh" and change it to = 1
find "waitvsync" and change it to = 0
(optionally) find "triplebuffer" and change it to = 1

[Anonymous No.1400869]

bump

[Anonymous No.1400935]

>>1398707
>Nothing wrong with xBR

[Anonymous No.1400952]

>>1398707
>xBr
>nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.1400967]

>>1400935
>>1400952
>you're not forced to use it

[Anonymous No.1400969]

>>1400967

I'm not forced to kill people and it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with killing people.

[Anonymous No.1400976]

>>1400969
False equivalence. Murder is illegal in most places. Using xBR is merely a bad idea in most cases. It retains more detail than hqx and can look quite nice combined with other shader, but I wouldn't use it myself.

[Anonymous No.1401410]

>>1398707
Technically there's plenty wrong with xBR itself. And its common implementation.
There are false positives which connect pixels that clearly should not be connected if you look at them normally or think about them naturally. Like separated eyes, or breaks between diagonal black borders.
And implementation-wise, the entire screen is commonly filtered all at once with no regards to sprites or tiles. This leads to smearing and deformation on the edges and borders.
Not that going by tile would be any better though, honestly. I'm sure everyone has seen a game try and do that with bilinear at some point in time.

To say it's usable and another choice is fine. But saying there's "Nothing wrong with xBR" is incorrect.

[Anonymous No.1401418]

>>1400952
Looks pretty good as a thumbnail.

[Anonymous No.1401420]

>>1400952
>Ecce Homo restoration work

[Anonymous No.1402373]

>>1400952

wtf

[Anonymous No.1402434]

>>1401410
Multipass xBR is supposed to eliminate the false positives

[Anonymous No.1402681]

>>1402434
Supposed to. You cant eliminate everything, simple as is. And taking it by tile/sprite, however much more difficult to implement, would cause more issues than background↔sprite distortion.

[Anonymous No.1402706]

beautiful
makes me feel like I'm really playing on some shitty monitor with burn in

[Anonymous No.1402715]

Yep, truly beautiful shaders, this is what a TV looks like, right guys?

[Anonymous No.1402916]

>>1402706
>>1402715

u wot m8

[Anonymous No.1403540]

>>1402681
>>1402434

Smoothing shaders are a dead end. A dumb idea.

Maybe if they made them a tiny percent as powerful maybe, I dunno.

[Anonymous No.1403562]

>>1403540

shader = /= filter

[Anonymous No.1403565]

>>1403562
>shader = /= filter

same fucking difference.

[Anonymous No.1403592]

>>1396367
It makes it look like low resolution crap. Play Famicom or MSX if you like that.

[Anonymous No.1403645]

>>1403562
xBR has been implemented in both. Besides, it really does make no difference to them directly. Only their performance and compatibility change.

[Anonymous No.1403850]

>>1402715
You do realize that's called trolling, it's against the rules. If you're going to be an asshole and strawman take it to /v/.

[Anonymous No.1405182]

>>1403645

xbr is a shit