VCR

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343859]

how do you record your game plays?.....


THATS RIGHT IT IS BADASS VCR TIME!


(I think this is the most appropriate board for retro tech and retro PCs...)

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343862]

I have a badass Panasonic AG-5700-P commercial VCR... and I fried the controller chip.... and it still works... just I cannot power it off or eject the tape... it is very fixable..

[Anonymous No.1343863]

do you put your gameplays online *.*

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343864]

>>1343863
I really want to but i need a video capture card or a vhs to pc thingy

This board i think is also the retro computing board too.... because lol /g/ i whould love to put gameplay online and show off my computers and how much fun you can have.....

but i need 2 vga to svideo or bnc adapters

wwwww

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343865]

>>1343864
believe it or not this is my main PC

i am posting on it right now

[Anonymous No.1343867]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002H3BSCM

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343872]

>>1343867
i need a new controller board


i think i fried it with connecting directly composite to bnc with an adapter....

[Anonymous No.1343878]

>>1343865
I wish I had my old CRT, it cost 500bucks had a huge resolution(19xx / 16xx) and was around 22 inch or something.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343890]

>>1343878
god damn!


this is my other PC i use

it runs on FreeDOS and it is bad ass and it has many quirks

it cannot run alleycat

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343921]

the broken part

[Anonymous No.1343959]

I used my VCR to record FMVs and cool scenes from games. I also recorded songs from the radio on cassette. As you would do.

But there's no reason for using either anymore. Recording to a video tape might be easier for an amateur but the quality is going to be awful, especially if you're digitizing it and compressing the video further. Nothing looks worse than something someone captured from a videotape and threw up on youtube.

[Anonymous No.1343962]

Why do you even bother with this ancient technology when it is both easier and cheaper with modern stuff.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1343976]

>>1343962
why are you on this board?

>>1343959
wwww

i want it to seem i am from a very primitive area

[Anonymous No.1344775]

>>1343976
> want it to seem i am from a very primitive area

But WHY? If you're going for a certain aesthetic using the imperfection of videotape, you're going to lose a lot of that by digitizing it with a highly compressed video codec. It'll go from looking bad to pathetic.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344782]

>>1344775
what is a lossless video codec?

[Anonymous No.1344801]

>>1344782
Lossless isn't practical for "normal" videos. Ideally you're just going to have to encode at a really high bitrate. And if youtube is still more or less the way it used to be, they're going to butcher your video further, so something like Vimeo tends to be better if you're sharing it online.

I'm not an expert on this per se, but I see people fuck this kind of thing up enough to know what not to do.

[Smile No.1344803]

>>1344775
/tv/ here
vhs is the closest you can get to the original film reel

[Anonymous No.1344808]

>>1343862
>not using the original VCR
do you even retro?

SVHS is the shit though, I have three off them just incase one of them breaks down

[Anonymous No.1344810]

I use a Dazzle DVC 100 and amarectv for de interlacing it and record or stream with OBS.

[Anonymous No.1344819]

>>1344801
since he knows about lossless codecs I'm guessing he knows a little about what he's doing.

[Anonymous No.1344817]

>>1343862
I would love an S-VHS machine, but i don't think they were very common in Australia as i have never seen one.

[Anonymous No.1344825]

Unless you have a TBC machine, digitizing VHS will be shit.

DScaler help a bit though.

[Anonymous No.1344820]

>>1344810
>de interlacing
why?

[Anonymous No.1344828]

>>1343865
sexy double floppies! but what is that under the floppy drives?

[Anonymous No.1344831]

>>1344820
because if you go just straight from the dazzle to something it looks really awful. In my experience.

[Anonymous No.1344834]

>>1344820
Have you ever viewed an interlaced signal on a modern monitor?

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344837]

>>1344808
mah nigga

>>1344828
hard drive

and the "floppy drive" beloe the floppy drive is a zip drive

>>1344801
i know


>>1344817
i order the replacement/spare parts!

i can now fix it soon

[Anonymous No.1344851]

>>1344834
>using a modern monitor
joking aside, if you're capturing home video or something of sentimental value, I wouldn't recommend deinterlacing. But if it's just gameplay videos intended for youtube it's ok

[Anonymous No.1344859]

>>1344837
if you have windows xp on that computer I would recommend using a ATI TV Wonder 600 or 650. these two gets alot of praise on different vhs to digital forums. There is a 750, but I've heard it's crap for some reason. Don't remember why.

Easycrap is frowned upon. It's cheap for a reason

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344876]

>>1344859
thank you

[Anonymous No.1344883]

>>1343859
Unregistered HyperCam 2

Or if the emulator supports *.avi recording, I just do that

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344895]

>>1344883
suck my massive floppy drive

[Anonymous No.1344897]

>>1344876
do you have any other old tech stuff?

I also have this

[Anonymous No.1344907]

>>1344825
a TBC imho is really not needed for new tapes. It's more needed for old worn tapes

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344909]

>>1344897
OHH DO I?

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344913]

>>1344897

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344918]

>>1344897
IBM XT

[Anonymous No.1344932]

>>1344913
do you actually live in Japan? If so I envy you. All that sexy tech that was released in Japan only

[Anonymous No.1344938]

>>1344913
Please post more. It's beautiful

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344939]

>>1344932
wwww

I got that machine in NORTH LOUISIANA

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344945]

>>1344938
>>1344932
omg i found my board <3

[Anonymous No.1344956]

>>1344932
What? It's a generic-as-fuck early '90s Taiwanese PC AT case, ain't nothing remotely Japanese there.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1344973]

>>1344956
ohh shit you spotted the soyo brand machine

wwww

[Anonymous No.1344989]

>>1344973
>SIS chips
I'm so sorry

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345007]

>>1344989
what?

is that is why the machine behaves so funny for so long?

[Anonymous No.1345015]

>>1345007
SIS chipsets were always the cheapest garbage available, so probably yes.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345048]

>>1345015
that explains alot...

[Anonymous No.1345114]

>>1343865
looks cozy

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345182]

>>1345114
it is very cozy

[Anonymous No.1345190]

>>1345182
17mhz, can you run wolfenstein 3d with those killer specs

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345196]

>>1345190
it can run this perfectly with sound and everything

[Anonymous No.1345218]

>>1343962
Because recording to DVD from S-VHS for some reason actually looks better from machines like ColecoVision and the Atari VCS that send coaxial signals.

I want you and >>1343959 to look up S-VHS because I'm not sure if you've heard of it yet or are just pretending it doesn't exist.

>>1344801
Vimeo is awful for video games. There's only one HD upload per week unless you want to pay out the ass for a "premium" account.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345223]

>>1345218
me?

it is an enhanced VHS format

my vcr records in hifi

[Anonymous No.1345227]

>>1344820
It actually looks just fine if you Bob deinterlace it, but the only usable software I've seen manage that would be Handbrake.

>>1345223
Most VCRs produced after about 1997 have VHS HQ, which adds a little more bandwidth at the specific option of the user, but S-VHS looks about as nice as a Laserdisc with the same stellar audio VHS is known for.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345237]

>>1345227
so i have ..... one of the best VCRs?

[Anonymous No.1345248]

>>1345237
No, it's still VHS quality, just with a few more lines of resolution.

S-VHS is your best bet for any analog recording and the best bet in general for coaxial signals, like the type that come standard from many game systems up to the 16-bit era, but I still need to look up D-VHS some more and see how that works.

[Anonymous No.1345264]

what do you think is the coolest looking walkman? my vote goes to the d6c.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345286]

>>1345264
that dot matrix logo is on a floppy box

[Anonymous No.1345285]

>>1345264
WM-10 all the way.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345294]

>>1345285
dat same logo

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1345323]

wow you guys are really into retro tech like me!

[Anonymous No.1346201]

>>1345227
HQ was usually permanently on on VCRs that implemented it. It just introduced improvements in playback - there are no compatibility issues.

>S-VHS looks about as nice as a Laserdisc
Not really, still the same lousy timebase error and same crappy chroma resolution - Laserdisc is far superior with the latter.

>with the same stellar audio VHS is known for
What is head switching noise?

[Anonymous No.1346221]

>>1343859
Wow, it's been quite a while since I've seen you post, sparky. Where have you been the past few years?

[Anonymous No.1346226]

>>1346221
Is that sparky? The moon runes say "Erika"

[Anonymous No.1346252]

If this would be a thread about who can record original hardware with the highest quality, then i would win.

PAL SNES->homemade/hacked Nintendo MultiAV SCART cable->homemade SCART RGB to YPbPr transcoder->Empia 28285->the PC i'm using to post

Analogue video recording cards with even better quality do exist but they are more expensive and not easy to get, also i don't have any room for a another PCI or PCI-E card in my PC.

[Anonymous No.1346270]

>>1345323
Hey, you Mexican tranny!

[Anonymous No.1346325]

>>1346252
The biggest problem with that is adding in composite blurring at some point during the watch chain. Having RGB is great for source, but shit for viewing.

[Anonymous No.1346359]

>>1346325
wat

[Anonymous No.1346365]

When I was little, I tried setting my VHS to record me playing Super Mario World and it didn't work. I thought it was impossiboru.

[Anonymous No.1346370]

>>1346359
Yeah, many games take advantage of the "blur" effect composite cables give to achieve transparency.
Pic related - on the right the waterfall looks transparent, as it's meant to, whereas on the left it looks banded and strange.

[Anonymous No.1346412]

>>1346370
Oh yeah I forgot about that. But it's only really certain MD games that use dithering like this AFAIK (Earthworm Jim is another notable example), and if capturing RGB you could probably add some horizontal blur to produce the same effect without the other shitty qualities of NTSC/PAL colour e.g. dot crawl, rainbowing, etc.

[Anonymous No.1346441]

>>1346412
Streets of Rage 2 did it for the lamps in the bar and the fogging in the alien house.

[Anonymous No.1346450]

>>1346370
Well, a few SNES games (pic related and jurassic park) use the 512 pixel mode (pseudo-hires) to create transparency in that way.
This means that the SNES has an effective pixel clock of 10.64Mhz* and the capture device samples in the BT601 format which defines the samplerate at 13.5Mhz and chroma subsampling of 4:2:2 (full vertical and half horizontal color resolution) resulting in a chroma samplerate of 6.75Mhz.
For comparison: My 24" Trinitron TV KV-C2521D made in 1991 uses a TDA4580 which has a bandwidth of 8Mhz for it's primary inputs and 10Mhz for the secondary RGB input which is used for Teletext.

*
PAL subcarrier frequency = 4.43361875Mhz
PAL SNES master clock= (PAL subcarrier*4)*1.2
PAL SNES pixel clock=master clock/2

[Anonymous No.1346470]

>>1346370
>>1346441
Counterexample: The typewriter on Crono's desk from Chrono Trigger. The grid pattern is not dithering but actual pixel art detail.

[Anonymous No.1346480]

>>1346412

[Anonymous No.1346482]

>>1346470

Dithering is mostly found in Genesis/MD games since it could only display 64 colors.

[Anonymous No.1346490]

>>1346480
"Unfiltered" version is non-integer ratio scaled and the pixels are distorted. It's also saved as JPEG with 4:2:0 chroma, which destroys sharp pixel art (should be 4:4:4 if you insist on using JPEG for pixel art). Despite such unfair comparison tactics it still looks better than the filtered version.

[Anonymous No.1346506]

>>1346482
Super Mario World has dithered transparency on the water right on like the 4th stage.

[Anonymous No.1347175]

And idea I had for an old school let's play was to record our sessions on a VCR and an old studio cassette deck I have then convert the footage to digital.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1347329]

>>1346226
>>1346221
1. fuck /g/
2. fuck warosu

[Anonymous No.1348958]

bump

[Anonymous No.1348990]

Oh, hi sparky! Is your windows ME server still going?

[Anonymous No.1349031]

>>1343867
I have one of those
It's a piece of shit

[Anonymous No.1349037]

>>1349031
Agreed, but you get what you pay for.

[Anonymous No.1349067]

>>1349031
Depends, my other capture device looks like that. The device name is STK1160, it contains a SAA7113 Composite+S-Video encoder.
And the encoder is quite nice, but the driver won't give any advanced access to all options. And it sets the chroma bandwidth to lowest (620khz like VHS) by default.
Search the foolz archive for STK1160 for my older posts about it.

I also have seen USB capture device named OTG102 which was incompatible with non-interlaced video.

[Anonymous No.1349172]

So why not use Betamax?

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1349187]

>>1348990
http://4ch.mooo.com/+4/b/

[Anonymous No.1349195]

>>1349187
Oh, you changed over to linux? Either way, its good to see that yotsubanome is still alive and well!

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1349198]

>>1349195
^^

[Anonymous No.1349284]

>>1346201
>Not really, still the same lousy timebase error and same crappy chroma resolution
I've never seen any timebase issues, but maybe that's because I use it to record for any coaxial signals, quickly review it, and then record it to a DVD. I've never seen any older recordings or pre-recorded cassettes, so make of that what you will.

Laserdisc is obviously going to be better about it because it's a disk read at CLV instead of a 2.5cm tape recorded and read on a helical scan.

>What is head switching noise?
I'm afraid that doesn't happen a lot during recording or playback, at least with S-VHS. There's a reason why VHS and not the compact cassette, even with noise reduction, was a staple of amateur audio.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1350926]

ageru

[Anonymous No.1351156]

Anyone here collect laserdiscs?

[Anonymous No.1351229]

>>1351156
Passively. I buy them when they strike my fancy, but I rarely actively seek them out for the purposes of building a great library. I do have some good stuff, though. Asterix the Gaul, Exosquad, Secret of NIMH, King Ralph, Golden Boy (episode 1), Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, one of the Lupin the 3rd movies, a special effects disc from Japan, and maybe a couple others.

[Anonymous No.1351232]

>>1351156
Sometimes don't see the often here in Australia though

[Anonymous No.1351239]

>>1351232
Don't see them at all in the UK, though I'm sure that they must have been released here along with everywhere else.

[Anonymous No.1352014]

>>1351239
They were sold in the UK, but a lot less popular. I remember LD players used to be common enough in second-hand electronics shops around the early '00s. Do shops like that even exist any more (I don't live in the UK any more)? I don't mean shit like CEX and Cash Converters.

[Anonymous No.1352029]

>>1352014
Nope. That's pretty much it.

[Anonymous No.1352084]

>>1351156
I have a huge collection. Some of them are probably rare, never bothered to check. My favorite is Rocky Horror Picture Show with all the special features and stuff.

[Anonymous No.1352136]

>>1346201
I always thought that head switching noise was the noise at the bottom of the picture on a vhs

[Anonymous No.1352148]

>>1352136
Head switching can also create noise with the hi-fi audio tracks as that is also recorded using helical scanning.

[Anonymous No.1352179]

>>1347175
I was planning to make a bunch of bogus "retro" speed runs this way, complete with using previously recorded VHS tapes I've got left over from the 90's, just to leave three seconds or so of ghosted I Can't Believe It's Not Butter commercials or something as a lead-in.

[Anonymous No.1352184]

>>1351156
Just for the art. Bought a bunch of action movie LDs at a record swap over the summer. In almost every case the cover is a piece of art or promo photography I'd never even seen before. Terminator 2 for example has Arnold and the two Connors standing back to back. Looks awesome.

[Anonymous No.1352227]

I really want a Video2000 cassette. Just to freak people out with it

[Anonymous No.1353858]

>>1352227
Would go nicely with an Elcaset deck for that extra wat

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1355791]

ageru

[Anonymous No.1355820]

As an oldfag who worked for a movie company back in the day, I hated VHS, and I still prefer LaserDisc over the shit. But now I like Blu-Ray, but I don't wanna turn this into a /g/ thread. When I would go crazy with my NES games, I wanted LaserDisc to record that craziness. All of you would be mad if you compared your VHS gameplay to my superior LaserDisc gameplay.

[Anonymous No.1355826]

>>1349067
okay yeah, I tried to get mine working again last night.
turns out it's an "easycap" not an "EZcap" meaning it's a fake that doesn't have a sound chip, or any sort of dedicated drivers

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1355876]

>>1355820
/g/ is total shit

[Anonymous No.1355881]

>>1355820
I wasn't aware you could record video onto Laserdisc. How expensive were blank Laserdiscs?

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1355883]

>>1355881
i cannot find any new lazerdiscs in the drug store....

[Anonymous No.1355885]

>>1355881
It was a flop, and presumably one hour per side like CLV discs are.

If you did want Laserdisc quality, there was always S-VHS.

[Anonymous No.1355887]

>>1346370
My Sanic looks like the pic on the left, through composite cables, on an SDTV.

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1355889]

>>1355885
my vcr is bad ass~


i cannot believe this thread is here!

this thread would DIE very fast in /g/

let me make a retro computing thread

[Anonymous No.1355891]

>>1355820
I didn't even know there existed recordable laserdiscs.
24min on each side?
I can see why VHS won
sorry

[Anonymous No.1355893]

>>1355891
There were, but they didn't record digital audio and could only be recorded to once as opposed to the re-usability of VHS.

[Anonymous No.1355892]

Laserdisc fucking rules

VHS is no good

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1355895]

>>1355887
i like the left image the most it is VERY clear!

[Anonymous No.1355896]

>>1355889

I mean, it's a slow board, and you've bumped it to the front page 34 times so far, what do you expect?

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1355897]

>>1355896
meh~

also this is the relolution i am very happy with with DOS games!

[Anonymous No.1355932]

>>1355897
>dat classic ass look

stolen. That's redmond right?

[Anonymous No.1355956]

>>1344810
>>1344820
I use a Dazzle DVC 101 with Pinnacle Studio 15, I think its alright for Basic recording.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iyCPyYEW4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ja-2-uQgTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5u1DKU1Ys

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1356448]

>>1355932
it is redmond

[Anonymous No.1356932]

vcr thread and no discussion on the greatest video game console of all time, the ACTION MAX?

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1357000]

>>1356932
tell me about it!

[Anonymous No.1357008]

>>1357000

it used vhs tapes for "games"

it sucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS_h6E79VNA

[【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 No.1357036]

>>1357008
OHH GOD

A SHITTIER SEGA CD!

[Anonymous No.1357548]

>>1356932
I used to have the Pops Ghostly video on Youtube, but I deleted it because I didn't want my account getting shitcanned.

[Anonymous No.1357703]

>>1357008
I always wondered why no console used cassette tapes for games, considering how expensive cartridges were to produce.
Now I know why.

[Anonymous No.1357706]

>>1357703

Some computers used cassette for games.

[Anonymous No.1357707]

>>1357703

i think it coulve been viable if they had used the cassettes to store data instead of movies

c64 used normal audio cassettes but stored data on them

hell, windows used to default to cassette tapes for backups

[Anonymous No.1357819]

>>1357706
them loading times

[Anonymous No.1358117]

>>1357819

Hopefully most games on tape had music while loading, and sometimes it was the best thing about the game.

[Anonymous No.1358156]

>>1357819

couldnt be worse than PS1

[Anonymous No.1358168]

>>1358156

wat? 40 minute loadings couldn't be worse than PS1 loadings? How underage can you be?

[Anonymous No.1358180]

>>1358168
Probably the same troll from the console war thread that can't think of any good ps1 games.

[Anonymous No.1358213]

>>1358168

i had a casper the friendly ghost game for ps1 and i swear i could go eat dinner and take a shit in the time it took to load the next level