/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1339908]

Did anyone else have a 3DO?

They didn't sell too well. I got one as a birthday gift though. I had only been playing games on an NES up until that point in 1993. I played games like Crash 'n Burn and The Need for Speed in like '93 and '94 basically shat my pants. This thing was fucking awesome and way ahead of its time, but the thing was just too expensive at 700 dollars so most people waited and got a PSX, Saturn or N64 for 200-250 dollars.

And while I did get an N64 in 1996 so I wasn't left behind or anything, I still remember how fucking awesome this thing was. The arcade ports were so fucking close to the actual arcade games and the 3D games amazing. Technically I believe the console was somewhere slightly under the PlayStation, in the middle of it and the Saturn, but at the time it had released it was the only thing I'd ever seen with graphics like The Need For Speed. The price is the only reason it was never developed to its full potential, because it just didn't sell well enough. Even the "64-bit" Jaguar couldn't come close. My friend had one of those pieces of shit and unfortunately, he didn't get a new console until much later, when the Dreamcast came out.

[Anonymous No.1339917]

>>1339908
The 3DO gets a bad rep being grouped alongside the Jaguar and CD-I, but unlike those systems it did have a few gems going for it, like the best home version of Street Fighter II and Gex.

[Anonymous No.1339916]

>>1339908
Did you ever play Immercinary? That game seems really interesting.

I myself received a 3DO Multiplayer from a friend since he no longer wanted it. He has Gex but nothing else, and I'm looking to get more games some day.

[Anonymous No.1339923]

Slayer is my favorite, or Alone in the Dark. Also if you like RPGs check out GuardianWar and Lucienne's Quest (a $300 game)

Remember, 3DOs play burned games with no modification necessary and the library is pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.1339925]

>>1339917

Yes. It had a good Doom port as well. I didn't have a PC at the time, was probably about 7, so that's the only way I was able to play it. It's one of the better ports I've played since then.

[Anonymous No.1339926]

There's also quite a few downsampled ports of good laserdisc games on it you would otherwise only be able to play on Laseractive.

[Anonymous No.1339930]

>>1339925

Actually, I shouldn't say that it was necessarily that good, it had framerate issues, but your only other option on a console at the time was the SNES version, which is by far the worst. The 32x version for the Genesis required you to piss away a bunch of case, the Jaguar version required you to waste money on a goddamn Jaguar, so yeah this was pretty much it. I mostly played Gex and The Need for Speed though and not Doom.

[Anonymous No.1339937]

>>1339930

*bunch of cash

also, the music on the 3DO port of Doom was sick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw

[Anonymous No.1339940]

>>1339937

Okay, fuck, wrong link - I have no idea why that's the first result I got for "Doom e1m1 3DO". This was the 3DO version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjEx292Ph8M

Now when I think about it, it was actually the only port that sounded like real instruments.

[Anonymous No.1339945]

>>1339940
It's probably straight up CD audio. That's how they rolled back then. Those games are super easy to hack your own music into, too.

[Anonymous No.1339952]

>>1339945

Yeah, that's what I'd assumed, because real guitars are audible at parts. Although it did have a soundchip there's not really a point to using it when the game comes on a CD. In fact, it's the only copy of Doom 1 that I can think of off the top of my head that used CD audio for the music, even the CD versions for PC still utilized Soundblaster and shit like that instead of a pre-recorded soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.1339954]

I own quite a few consoles and have debated picking up a 3DO. Is there anything a 3DO buyer in this day and age should know?

[Anonymous No.1339962]

>>1339954
Not really, it's just kind of a niche system but it's one of those systems that are burn+play so that makes it super cheap for playing on. Still, Dreamcast is far above it and I'dput Sega CD above it also.

PCE-Duos are also like that and their library is just as good as Dreamcast but the consoles themselves are much, much more expensive.

[Anonymous No.1339970]

>>1339962
I already own a Sega CD and a Dreamcast (the Sega CD is REALLY nothing to write home about and 3DO's library seems a little quirkier).

What's the best model of 3DO to own?

[Anonymous No.1339975]

>>1339954

Pretty much all you need to know is this: games might cost you a bit but the console shouldn't be too much now. It was the first CD console to use them for real games and not just a bunch of gimmicky FMV shit without any real graphics, it has some great 3D games but a lot of the best ones were 2D, and the system was unique in that it didn't prioritize 3D over 2D or 2D over 3D. The consoles and peripherals, unlike the Jaguar, are not faulty (mine still works and it's over 20 years old) and the games that the system did best were fighting games (arcade ports mainly but it had some of its own), racing games, platformers (Gex is a must-own) and flying games. I can't tell you exactly which games to buy, you'd probably have to find what you like on your own, but I can at least say that you can just pretty much get one and have no problems. It's not like the Jaguar and Jaguar CD where people trying to get one now have to search around for one that actually works. The 3DO was 700 dollars at launch and you got what you paid for, and that still holds up today. The biggest advice I'd give is try not to get one of the other models. Try to get the Panasonic one, that's the original 3DO and the one that isn't faulty at all.

[Anonymous No.1339981]

>>1339952
Sound chips still had to be utilized for sound effects during gameplay, since the laser can only read one track at a time.(systems like the 3DO didn't have enough memory to store CD quality sound effects)

[Anonymous No.1339984]

>>1339962

And yeah, like he said you can just burn discs if you want. I myself collect these systems so I also like having real copies of the games with the case and everything as well, but whatever floats your boat.

[Anonymous No.1339985]

>>1339981

Well I know, that's why it was there. Most of the sound effects I heard in most of the games were done by the sound chip. It's mainly the music that was CD, similar to the Sega CD.

[Anonymous No.1339986]

>>1339975
There were a couple of Panasonic models. Do you mean the 3DO FZ-1? That's the first model.

[Anonymous No.1339993]

>>1339970
I've never had a problem with my pornosonic and people complain about the goldstar all the time so probably the fz-1. Check this sleek bitch out though.

Also, you can buy an ISA card to go into your retro PC that makes it play 3DO games natively (and in progressive scan)

[Anonymous No.1339996]

>>1339986

The very first one. I was unaware of the other ones they made, I just knew about the Goldstar (now LG) and Sanyo models. However, I had the very first Panasonic model right when it came out, and that's the one I still own that still works fine and most of the people I talk to in the homebrew community own that works fine, so that's the one I'd suggest. If not that then the other Panasonic ones, because they didn't fuck up the first one so I doubt they did the later ones.

[Anonymous No.1340009]

>>1339975
Pretty sure the first CD console to use CDs for real games was the PC-engine/Turbo CD. Even the Sega CD had actual games on it.

But as far as the 3dO goes, ROAD RASH. Yes, it was later ported to other consoles, but it started on the 3dO.

If you want weird, obscure stuff, check out this one. I had it for DOS. Its not an FMV game but is kind of like a first person adventure game where everything is pre-rendered graphics.

[Anonymous No.1340021]

>>1340009

Well, that's not really what I meant, let me clarify myself: for 3D games and 2D, prominently, instead of FMV. The Sega CD had real games but for every Sonic CD there were like five games like Night Trap or something. It's hyperbole, but do you get what I'm saying? Like, if you go look at a list of CD games for both the Turbo Duo and the Sega CD games there's more of those than there are games that utilized the CD to provide more content and whatnot. They had some sort of boner for showing video or something. With the 3DO that was (mostly) gone, though it still happened to a much lesser degree.

[Anonymous No.1340031]

>>1340009
Ugh it's like a terrible PC game. I hate anything for console that has a cursor.

[Anonymous No.1340105]

>>1339975
It depends on how you count the FM Towns Marty and Amiga CD32.

[Anonymous No.1340114]

>>1340105

Don't count anything with exclusive releases. The Amiga was mostly Europe and I think Brazil and whatnot, while the FMTM was Japanese only. The 3DO was international.

Same reason that, had the PC-FX come out earlier, I wouldn't count it.

[Anonymous No.1340124]

>>1340114
The PC-FX was intended for FMV. Its strongest point was motion JPEG. It had games that went beyond that but it didn't have many games in the first place.

[Anonymous No.1340131]

My brother traded it for a PS1.

I don't remember it though.

[Anonymous No.1340148]

>>1339916
There's no copy protection on the 3DO. Burn away Anon.

[Anonymous No.1340157]

>>1339923
I'm towards the end of Lucienne's Quest. Love it. It has light strategy elements and a really fun light pace with a really endearing cast of characters. I'm really impressed with it's dialogue too.

I wish I could find a legit copy of it, would love to have it in my collection. But them prices man.

[Anonymous No.1340214]

My friend had one, and we played Super Street Fighter II Turbo all the time

[Anonymous No.1340246]

>>1339908
When I moved to the states my mom befriended someone who happened to have a load of money I assume (more than us at least, they helped us a ton) and she gave me their kids hand me down 3DO. (this was in 97 and the only console i had at the point was a Megadrive that didnt work in the US).

This thing blew my mind and there are a lot of pretty good games for it.

Road Rash is one of my favorites, ported to PS1 but it feels a bit off on the PS.

Need for Speed you know

Space Hulk was an awesome RTS/FPS, had no knowledge of Warhammer at the time but it became my favorite game. Scary as hell too.

Starfighter was an awesome game, spaceship dogfighting with destructible 3D environment with a cool soundtrack.

D was a cool horror game, mostly let my brother play it, used to scare me too much.

Crash n Burn was good as you know

Gex was an awesome platformer, I felt the series went to shit after the 3D versions

Twisted was pretty good multiplayer, sort of like a trivia boardgame and kind of out there, sort of regret selling that since it makes for a good drinking game.

Samurai Shodown and Street Fighter had awesome ports.

But theres a lot of shitty games too to watch out for. Like Rise of the Robots, do not buy that game

[Anonymous No.1340383]

>>1339984
Just because you burn games doesn't mean you don't collect. It's a lot easier to sacrifice a few cents on a CD and see if the games a piece of shit before trying to track it down. I've played tons of burnt games and ended up buying legit copies to look nice and sexy on my shelf.

[Anonymous No.1340414]

>>1339993
That is a sexy 3DO. Japanese?

[Anonymous No.1340441]

>>1339908
OP, I got a 3DO FZ-10 for christmas in 1994. While I had a SNES and Genesis, I had never played anything more advanced than 16-bit and the 3DO also completely blew my mind.

>tfw my memories of handling and unpacking that FZ-10 box

Besides the great exclusives (at the time) like The Need for Speed, Road Rash, Gex, Killing Time and the fighting arcade ports, I also loved the 3DO for the many PC ports it received such as AitD 1 and 2, Wolfenstein 3D and Doom, as we didn't have a PC at home at the time.

However, you're wrong in that hardware capability-wise, the 3DO was more like in between the 32X/Jaguar and the Saturn/PSX. Both the PSX and the Saturn eclipsed the 3DO hardware-wise. Of course that just like the Saturn, I believe the 3DO was actually better capable of handling 2D graphics than the PSX. But I think games like The Need for Speed and Killing Time already maxed out what the system was able to do 3D wise. Of course there were also shoddy and rushed ports such as Doom, I'm sure the 3DO had more than enough power to have a Doom port at least as good as the Jaguar or Saturn ones.

I traded my 3DO for a Sega Saturn in 1997. While I had seen signs of the platform's impending doom since 1995, I really liked my 3DO and was hopeful that Panasonic / 3DO Company would save it somehow, so I stuck with it until the end.

On a sort of unrelated note, I also got a Neo Geo CD for birthday in 1995. I think this 3DO + Neo Geo CD combo was the coolest platform combination to own in the mid 90s when the Saturn and PSX were still picking up speed and still had a limited library. I only got a Saturn in 1997 (which I traded for the 3DO as I said) and only got a PSX in christmas 1999.

[Anonymous No.1340446]

>>1340414
Appears to have been sited in Western Europe.

[Anonymous No.1340454]

>>1340441
i envy your childhood haha
i was stuck with a master system until 96

[Anonymous No.1340469]

if you ever find a copy, Star Control II is a fucking excellent game

[Anonymous No.1340473]

>>1340454
Well it wasn't as great as this may make it appear to seem, my parents were actually pretty poor but they would even work overtime or get extra jobs to be able to afford the toys I asked for. I also had lots of health problems that made my childhood and teen years pretty complicated, I was pretty used to being in the doctor's office or hospital (probably one of the reasons they pampered me so much).

Vidya related I can't really complain about it though :)

[Anonymous No.1340486]

>>1339908
Only worth it for Star Control II.

PC version was inferior by far.

[Anonymous No.1340496]

>>1340473
grass is always greener i guess haha

hope your better

[Anonymous No.1340521]

I have a 3DO...

Nobody sells the part I need...

My 3DO is useless...

[Anonymous No.1340535]

>>1340521
whats wrong with yours?
mine cant read cd's anymore, anyone know the fix?

[Anonymous No.1340558]

>>1340535
I got it initially with the peg that depresses the lid switch broken off, so I went and made a new one using some superfluous plastic from inside the case.

Afterward I threw a music CD into it to test it out, and it worked perfectly for two songs. I skipped forward and all of a sudden I hear *CRACK grindgrindgrindgrind* from inside it, and it stopped reading discs.

TL;DR, I broke the gear that moves the laser sled back and forth.

[Anonymous No.1340685]

>>1340114
I had an FM Towns in America. Left before the CD32 came out but had other earlier models. Amiga was pretty big there.

>>1340383
Exactly. I have a ton off originals, most brand new and still in the wrap. I play everything off burnt discs. Why should I risk damaging my discs or make them less valuable to a "collector" when I can play copies.

>>1340535
Depends what the problem is. More details are necessary

>>1340558
Look into DIY casting. You can actually press your broken gear into a piece of clay a few times to make a complete imprint take it out and fill the hole with resin and with a little cleaning up after it's dry have a perfectly working gear. It's quick, easy and cheap and accurate enough to make gears for a CD mechanism. I do it all the time.

[Anonymous No.1340708]

>>1340685
im this guy
>>1340535

I have a Panasonic 3DO, i can put the CD in and the logo pops up but nothing else will happen just goes to that default INSERT CD screen.

A buddy's dad actually works for Panasonic and I gave him the 3DO to bring (i think he was more excited by the fact that he never saw one)

they didnt have the parts for it but said the laser was most likely the culprit.

Got any clue on how to fix it? Id hate to throw the thing away

[Anonymous No.1340727]

>>1339908
>owned a 3do
>friend had a jaguar
>upgraded to dreamcast

Are you sure you're from this dimension?

[Anonymous No.1340731]

>>1339930
waste $250 on a Jag, 3do was $700. waste money, lol.

[Anonymous No.1340742]

>>1340685
>Look into DIY casting. You can actually press your broken gear into a piece of clay a few times to make a complete imprint take it out and fill the hole with resin and with a little cleaning up after it's dry have a perfectly working gear. It's quick, easy and cheap and accurate enough to make gears for a CD mechanism. I do it all the time.

You know, I never actually thought of that. I've been sitting here feeling like a moron for not lubing up before getting it going, and I could have had a new gear in a few days.

[Anonymous No.1340757]

heres the thing with 3do, its terrible. There are a few decent games, but for the most part the games run awful. The control on SSF2T and Samurai Shodown are so bad they are nearly unplayable. Just as a collector piece its worth it. I own the original and the Goldstar version, I enjoy them. From collecting a system to play, it's a dead fish. The Jaguar has quirky and more memorable titles and overall a better library. If you are looking into systems from that era, the jag is the way to go, they also are way more reliable. 3do opticals are notoriously bad.

[Anonymous No.1340770]

>>1340757
how is the jaguar any better than the 3DO? The jaguar is a piece of shit that can barely run anything and has what? 3 good games maybe. I dont know what you are talking about with the controls, both those games respond fine

[Anonymous No.1340779]

>>1340757
There are way more worth while games on the 3DO man.

[Anonymous No.1340781]

>>1340779

>3do vs Jaguar console war

Yes! Do it!

[Anonymous No.1340789]

>>1340685
For a few bucks you can get some silicone mold making shit for your casting projects. I've done some plastic casting for a few case mod projects. It'll cost a few bucks more to get the silicone mold stuff but removing the gear will be way easier than removing it from clay without distorting it.

[Anonymous No.1340794]

>>1340781
Just saying. I'd rather have 7 games than 3 games.

[Anonymous No.1340807]

>>1340708
If it's really the laser, as in laser diode you should be able to replace it as it's just a cd laser and these all have the same wavelength, wattage, and a wide voltage range. In reality people usually replace the whole mechanism because it's a lot easier.

First thing to check is if the drive spins up and if the head seeks. If not, then the laser might be bad but there are also other problems

[Anonymous No.1340850]

>>1340770
>>1340779
Jag has, AvP, Iron Soldier, good versions of Wolfenstein and doom, Brutal Sports Football, Cybermorph, Tempest 2000, a playable version of syndicate, Power Drive Rally, ultra vortek, primal rage, the best home version of Raiden ever, rayman, skyhammer, worms, dino dudes and more. 3do has StarControl II, Road Rash, Return Fire, alone in the dark, space hulk, need for speed, maybe gex. I am sorry but Samurai has bad contol and the zooming is way off. Street Fighter has controller lag and having to hold r2 to shift between punches and kicks? nigga pleez. Jag has more and way better original titles, 3do's best titles are for the most part better on another system, its original titles are shit.

[Anonymous No.1340931]

>>1340807
I'm actually looking at the info on the laser that Panasonic 3DOs use and apparently Sanyo changed the specs on it at some point when it started mainly getting used in car CD players. It's the same laser (SF 92.5) but the new one has too small a rail hole and way too long cables with different pinouts.

Some bullshit, huh? Apparently it's the same laser as in the Creative CR563 2x CD-Rom drive but there's no guarantee.

[Anonymous No.1340941]

>>1340931
At this point he's probably better off buying a new unit, because I doubt you can cannibalize a broken 3DO for the part that most often is the broke one...

[Anonymous No.1340947]

>>1340941
Like I said, people are reporting that Creative brand CD ROM drives have the same parts. The ones with the Creative logo right in the middle of the door so if you know where one might be hiding it doesn't hurt to open it up and take a look at it.

[Anonymous No.1341023]

>>1340947
It does make sense for the Creative CR-563 to have the same components, because that was the only drive to work with the 3DO Blaster ISA card.

[Anonymous No.1341091]

>>1340931
Last I checked Sanyo still made the old model as well Both were pretty expensive though at about $20. By expensive I mean relative to replacing the actual laser diode instead of the whole optical pickup. I guess they don't any more if the Sanyo guy says they don't have them any more.

You're on the right track with the CDROM drive. If you can find other things that use the same pickup you can probably find some dirt cheap and harvest the parts.

I'll be at an electronics flea market this weekend and I've seen Creative drives laying around. If I see anything that looks promising I'll pick them up and see what's inside.

[Anonymous No.1341103]

>>1340850
Liciennss Quest, Super Wing Commander, Wing Commander iii, AD&D Slayer, one of the best ports of Street Fighter III. You're missing a lot of good 3DO games.

The only shit on the jag I'd play is Iron Soldier, AVP and Tempest 2000. Did you really mention Cybermorph? Have you been hitting the LSD with Dave Halverson?

[Anonymous No.1341107]

>>1340757
>The control on SSF2T and Samurai Shodown are so bad they are nearly unplayable.
I'm willing to bet that you played on one of the first-run consoles with a 4-way input D-pad controller included. I had to buy an 8-way controller for fighting games, and it solved my problems.

[Anonymous No.1341529]

>>1341103
>>1341107
Lucienne's quest? (LsD much?) I think that's what you meant. Naming a title that is rare and probably never played. I have it, it's mediocre. It literally has no storyline and suffers from crippling slowdown and loading. I give 3do credit, it does have RPGs, two of them.....Lucienne's Quest and Gaurdian War, both mediocre and known for rarity, not for substance. Super Wing Commander? Implying adding shit tons of extra cut scenes and dialogs, to a game that already has a slow pace, makes it better than the 16 other versions. ..I guess OK then. You must be a true 3do fanboy, because making games with tons of cut scenes and FMV, with littke gameplay sums up 80% of the 3do library. Wing Commander 3? It's not the best Wing Commander and is inferior to the PSX and PC version. SF3 was never on 3do (LsD much?). AD&D Slayer is an exclusive and I own it. It is slow, and OK. It is not an exclusive that I would consider must have. The game is brutal, until you level up and you will be restarting alot. It has good graphics and clip rate though. Maybe you should have brought up some exclusive titles, Twisted maybe? That game was fun. Thanks for reaffirming my argument, 3do lacks good exclusive games.

Controller guy, 4way? You do know all 3do pads have 8way dpads right? All controllers are 8way unless there is something restricting diagonal inputs. I have the official capcom six button pad for 3do, it doesn't fix 3do's controller latency issues. Not to mention adding a second pad, daisy chained off of the first creates even more. Latency is Latency, ask anyone who has played any other version of Samurai,the charge moves are way off timing wise. Maybe if it's the only version you played it was good, but the snes and Genesis play much better, even if they lack the zooming. The Sega CD version is downright good. 3do always suffered from control issues. It's in the hardware.

[Anonymous No.1341540]

>>1341529
This. I bought a 3do when they had a couple of price drops, just to play SSF2T. It came with Total Eclipse, Shockwave and a voucher for Twisted. I bought SSF2T and Jurassic Park. I even sent away for the Capcom controller from the order form in the box. The game has terrible control, no matter what pad you use. The frame rate on SSF2T is bad as well. I guess since its the only port of it, it's cool. It is a mediocre version of a good game.

[Anonymous No.1341561]

I've got a Panasonic FZ-10 (flip top, as the FZ-1 is the tray version), and a dead Goldstar 3DO. I have a replacement laser assembly for the Goldstar, but I have no motivation to install it just yet.

[Anonymous No.1341640]

>>1341529
I agree the Jaguar has way better and countless more exclusive titles. It is cheaper to collect as well and 1000% more reliable. Both systems lasting impressions are kind of ho hum, but I feel the Jag never really got its due for its decent games. Some of the games people claim are 3do exclusive are not. PGA is a port of the PC, Madden is a ported version of the Duo version. Need for speed, Road Rash, Shickwave etc. all were ported to and better on PS1. Lucienne and guardian war are ports of saturn games. At the end of the day, there aren't many exclusives or system defining games. Slayer, Way of the Warrior, Virtuoso, A Birds Life, Jurassic Park, Demolition Man, Twisted. Thats about it, thats off the top of my head I don't have a list.

[Anonymous No.1341694]

>>1340850
None of those games are any better than average 3DO titles. Cybermorph really? That game looks like shit, compare it to something like Starfighter that had way better graphics and 3D destructible environment and actual good dog fighting.
Get R.E.A.L

[Anonymous No.1341720]

>>1341529
The original controllers first packaged with the Panasonic 3DO did have a 4-way D-pad. The diagonals would only register if you pressed precisely between two of the directions to activate both directions at once. Otherwise, you'd get one direction or the other. They were horrible for fighting games.

[Anonymous No.1341762]

>>1341640
>Lucienne and guardian war are ports of saturn games
Yeah because porting from Saturn to 3DO makes tons of sense. Think maybe it was the other way around, Genius? Also no English ports on Saturn.

Goddamn I hate SoJ

[Anonymous No.1341768]

>>1340850
Anon please. You're making a fool of yourself.

AvP, Wolfenstein and Doom were indeed pretty good, but that's it. Raiden and Rayman are good but are 16-bit games (you know what I mean). Everything else is, to be blunt, utter shit. Ultra Vortek, seriously? This garbage makes Way of the Warrior seem good.

The 3DO titles, on the other hand, screamed next gen. You also forgot Killing Time.

I also see a big irony in bashing the 3DO controls, given that "amazing" Jaguar controller. To be honest I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I personally I never had problems with SSF2T and SS controls on the 3DO.

It's true that the 3DO hasn't aged well as a gaming platform, because most of its initially exclusive titles were later ported to PC, Saturn and PSX. You had to be there at its time to truly appreciate the 3DO.

I'm kind of mesmerized by your posts. It's the first time in my life I see someone arguing that the Jaguar was better than the 3DO. In fact, it's the first time in my life I see someone arguing that the Jaguar was good. You have a right to your opinion but it's far from being a fact.

[Anonymous No.1341775]

I haven't played the Jag version of Raiden, but I can't imagine its better than the Playstation version, which is the arcade version of both 1 and 2 on one disc, with many options including toggling remix music.

[Anonymous No.1341780]

>>1341768
Way of the Warrior better than Ultra Vortek? Shaq Fu is better than Way of the Warrior, at least it was playable. WotW run at a blazing 12 fps, it literally gives you seizures. Drink some more kool aid.

[Anonymous No.1341791]

>>1341768
like I said come up with a list of what was exclusive for the two systems. Then make a legit point. Killing Time? get that controls awesome, maybe if you said PO'd. Fuck man, I make better arguments against myself than you do. Yeah Cybermorph was decent, it looked like ass, but was a decent adventure open world shooter and a free pack in to boot. Battlemorph on the CD was fucking great. What was the 3do's free pack in... oh yeah the 3do sampler disc wayyyyy better than cybermorph. Fuck man the Jag stayed at $250 for years, 3do kept dropping the price and adding games to the deal and still couldn't sell it. How can you argue that it had great games? A system is defined by its exclusive titles and 3do lacks them, Jag has them in spades. Nither have the best library. I dont think the Jag controller is fantastic, but it worked fine. The dpad worked correctly and the #pad was awesome for weapon select in games and most titles took advantage of it. 3do might be the only system in history that third party controllers were a must have. The latter saturn shaped pads were OK that they came out with.....3 years later.

[Anonymous No.1341802]

>>1341780
I remember playing Ultra Vortek and it was pretty much unplayable. At worst, they're equally bad.

>>1341791
>A system is defined by its exclusive titles and 3do lacks them
Now I'm pretty sure you're either trolling or a retard.

I say it again, you guys can be an unique and special snowflake all you want. But don't try to be zealots and force your tastes upon sane people.

[Anonymous No.1341813]

>>1341802
How is he trolling? I own 3do and Jaguar and would tend to agree. The truth is the truth. 99% of the 3do catalog has a better version on a different console or PC.

[Anonymous No.1341815]

>>1341791
also dont forget to mention jaguar had software support long after the system died. telegames made new software into the early 2000's. 3do software support died before the company pulled the plug

[Anonymous No.1341816]

>>1341813
The ports from 3DO games to Playstation dont seem much better, and some seem to lag a bit more, particularly Road Rash and Space Hulk. Some dont even have the same draw distance like Starfighter.

[Anonymous No.1341817]

>>1341780
Kasumi Ninja, Ultra Vortek and Double Dragon V were all better than Way of the Warrior. Saying Way is better than any fighting game is laughable. He's right that is kool aid keg stand level.

[Anonymous No.1341825]

>>1341816
>>1341817
Road rash is much better on PS1, better control, better framerate, less glitching and screen tearing. I never understood the change in some of the soundtrack, I liked the 3do soundtrack better. But PS1 version is superior, that is was zealot level statement.

For the record I never mentioned Kasumi Ninja for a reason, it is almost as bad as way of the Warrior. Although the scotsman that shoots dick fireballs from his kilt makes it slightly better.

[Anonymous No.1341834]

when did Jaguar gain fanboys?
/vr/ would make for the most obscure Warriors like video game gangs.

[Anonymous No.1341837]

>>1341816
Road Rash= better on PSX
Space Hulk= better on PC and Saturn
Starfighter= best version on 3do, but not a very good game so who cares.

[Anonymous No.1341841]

>>1341834
I was the original poster that brought up the Jag. I didn't think it would turn out like this. Although I feel the Jag is a more unique collectable due to more original titles. Sorry for starting the 3do/jag rebellion of 2014. I just wanted op to know it's cheaper and better IMO, for collecting.

[Anonymous No.1341850]

>>1341841
I am loving this thread now, it started as 3do fanboys convincing themselves how great 3do is. Now its the war of the mediocre consoles. Im in for Jag just because it roars when you turn it on lol.

[Anonymous No.1341851]

>>1341791
>the Jag stayed at $250 for years
>obviously got ripped off on his Jag

[Anonymous No.1341860]

>>1341851
Jag was $250 for two years then went to $199 then died at $149. 3do launched at $700, then a month later it was $599, then a month later it was $499, then 6 months later it was $399, 6 months after that it was $299 with 5 packed in games. paying any of those prices for a 3do sounds like a rip to me.

[Anonymous No.1341867]

>>1341851
hahaha you went for the snarkey joke and got beat with facts

[Anonymous No.1341874]

Welcome to the battle of the b-level consoles.
Next round, the Odyssey vs the Intellevision

[Anonymous No.1341887]

>>1341874
>Odyssey vs Intellivision
Nigga, do you even gen 2?

[Anonymous No.1341891]

>6,4,4,4

[Anonymous No.1341892]

>>1341887
He may have meant the Odyssey 2.
Colecovision vs 5200 may also work.

[Anonymous No.1341907]

>>1341891
>32X rated higher than the Neo-Geo
u wot m8

[Anonymous No.1341912]

>>1341892
>Colecovision vs 5200 may also work.
Ooooo yeah we could definitely argue about that.

[Anonymous No.1341918]

>>1341891
Like it was said earlier you had to be around in 1993-95 to truly appreciate the 3DO. The 3DO haters in this thread - especially those that say it didn't have exclusives - don't seem to grasp the concept of "context".

>>1341907
>The price of the system and the games are way too high
>The games cost too much
They took price / cost-benefit into account. This really hurt the Neo Geo scores.

[Anonymous No.1341939]

>>1341891
>if you own a Genesis, forget the CD and run out for a 32x

What if some poor kids followed this advice?

[Anonymous No.1341950]

>>1341891
>3DO
>with the price around $400, you can't beat it

[Anonymous No.1341951]

>>1341939
Well in 1995 the Sega CD was already on its last legs and to be honest the 32X seemed really promising back then.

[Anonymous No.1341958]

>>1341918
I was around and in high school then. I owned both and preferred my Jag. Neither were great. AvP alone is better than the whole 3do catalog. The systems are both dead, you absolutely can look back on it and it's lasting impression. If you want to factor in cost then put the jag CD in as well. The jag CD had some awesome games that looked and played better than any 3do turd.

[Anonymous No.1341984]

>>1341958
>AvP alone is better than the whole 3do catalog.
>The jag CD had some awesome games
>that looked and played better than any 3do turd.
Okay.

Since you were around back then, I have a few questions, did you own a PC at home? Did you care about PC games? Did you care about racing and adventure games?

[Anonymous No.1341986]

>>1341984
I was a proud owner of an Apple IIgs and a 486 in fact.

[Anonymous No.1341992]

>>1341986
Well. That might explain part of the reason you didn't care much about the 3DO.

I didn't own any computer at home at the time, since before the internet became a thing my family thought they were a waste of money (since PCs were expensive back then). So for me the PC ports on the 3DO were a big selling point and I had tons of fun with them.

[Anonymous No.1342071]

>>1341992
well from my perspective, I had to work to buy my 3do and my Jag, I had to work for a month to get the scratch for the 3do. I got it when it was packed with total eclipse, shockwave, and vouchers for twisted and jurassic park. These games all sucked except Twisted. I really bought it because I wanted Street Fighter. Street Fighter wasn't very good on it. Immediately I was disappointed, couple that with possibly the most broken controller ever packed with a console, I felt really cheated, really fast.Same story for my Jag, I bought it with my own money, the difference was AvP delivered, Cybermorph wasn't great but was a playable pack in and Raiden was awesome. That was what I got day one. I plaued the shit outta both. I enjoyed both. At the end of the day Jags library is better and not as full of shovelware and 3d tech demos.

[Anonymous No.1342096]

>>1341540
There were a number of ports of Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Most of them are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.1342095]

>>1341529
Yeah luciennes quest. I was posting on my phone while shitting. Real bad typo. It's a pretty fun game dude. And we're not comparing the 3do to every other platform. We're comparing it against the Jaguar. The three games I mentioned shit all over anything the Jaguar has. Period.

[Anonymous No.1342097]

>>1342071
You sound like the type of guy who likes cutting edge stuff in general. None of those really appealed to me back then (though I was a bit too young to be getting them with my own money). I saw demos at stores and thought "that's kind of cool", but never considered picking them up over my SNES, which had games that delivered, even if they weren't fancy.

But now, at least, you have 2 really cool collector's items.

[Anonymous No.1342112]

>>1342071
total eclipse and shockwave were pretty bland from what I remember. My first game on the 3DO was Crash n Burn which ive had a lot of fun on, im not sure if that was ported either, but it had a good sense of speed and strategy. Def ran smoother than any racing game at the time. Also FIFA Soccer at the time blew my mind, just the camera angles alone were cool. Also LACRBALL, still remember that code

[Anonymous No.1342116]

>>1340789
Unfortunately silicone will make an exact replica of the gear, broken teeth and all. You can always cut the missing teeth out of the mold once it's set and hope you get it right but I find it much easier to simply rotate a chipped symmetrical part to make a mold. I've never have problems with sticking or distortion when using the proper materials/procedures. Also, bear in mind we're talking about a gear for a 20 year old CD drive not a Swiss watch.

[Anonymous No.1342156]

>>1342095
like I said dude I have luciennes and Guardian War both have terrible or non existing stories. Which makes RPGs kind of suck. Kudos to them for having RPGs, Jag has one and it came out after the system died, Towers 2, so I can't fairly count it. It was more like AD&D Slayer. It was good but it looks like dogshit. AvP is better than all the games you mentioned put together.

[Anonymous No.1342160]

>>1342156
AvP is good yeah but you can't compare it to an RPG and Towers also came out on ST so it's not an exclusive to Jag - not even English exclusive.

Lucienne's Quest has a totally solid story I don't know what you think you played but it must not have been Lucienne's Quest.

[Anonymous No.1342171]

>>1341867
There are quite a few copies of Kay Bee and Toys R Us ads in the archive with Jags for $89 and shit in like 1996. MSRP is not the same as actual prices at retail.

[Anonymous No.1342174]

>>1342071
I see. I never played Total Eclipse, Shockwave, Jurassic Park and Twisted at their time, the first three I've played through emulation recently and are indeed pretty bad games. I got a FZ-10 with Starblade (an enhanced arcade port) as a pack-in game, and for its time it was a pretty fun rail shooter that would awe anyone used only to 16-bit games.

That day I also brought home a few more games together with the 3DO: The Need for Speed, Road Rash, Gex and Killing Time, and these games completely blew me away. Keep in mind they were still all 3DO exclusives at this time.

Space Hulk was also another then-exclusive game that I got later and it was pretty awesome. Demolition Man has aged pretty badly but at its time it was also pretty cool.

Later I got SSF2T and Samurai Shodown, and for me it was amazing to be able to play arcade perfect ports of these fighting games at home. I never had any problems with the controls in these games, at the time I thought they certainly played better than the SNES versions at least. I also got Way of the Warrior that despite the horrid gameplay, was an amusing and funny game with impressive digitized graphics for its time. While today I agree it's pretty much a kusoge, I didn't regret buying it.

And then there were the PC ports, such as Myst, Alone in the Dark 1 and 2, Wolfenstein 3D and Doom; Doom on the 3DO was really disappointing and soon after I traded it for another game, but the others were pretty good. In fact I like the Wolf 3D port better than the Jaguar's as it's more faithful to the PC version. I also played the Out of this World port, despite already having played it on the SNES, the 3DO version was leagues ahead with its enhanced framerate and visuals. (cont.)

[Anonymous No.1342179]

>>1342174
Of course there were also shit games such as Pataank, Crash n Burn, Iron Angel of the Apocalypse and a few others, As for fmv games, I was smart enough to stay away from them. But overall, I had lots of fun with my 3DO. Comparing to other consoles I've owned, I certainly enjoyed it more than the N64 and Wii.

I get the impression that another reason you dislike the 3DO is that your first impressions of the system were bad since the first titles you got to play were indeed bad;

As for the Jaguar, I've never owned one, but one of my neighbours had one and we would often play when I came over. AvP and Doom were certainly amazing but other than that it didn't impress me in the least. He also regretted buying it and about one year later made a deal for a second-hand Genesis CDX.

[Anonymous No.1342184]

>>1342156
Lucienne's Quest has a light hearted plot. A young witch wants to go on an adventure and meets some interesting characters along the way. For the time the game came out it's at least a 7/10. As for exclusivity yes it was ported to Saturn but it looks worse and is in Japanese. I don't read moon.

[Anonymous No.1342191]

>>1342160
Towers 2 is Jag exclusive, and yeah I can compare anything I want. There are very few 3do games on par with AvP, Tempest 2000 or Iron Soldier. Road Rash, Return Fire, Star Control 2 thats about it. Lucienne is an Rpg, but it sucks a bowl of dicks next to any run of the mill snes rog at that time. Props for 3do having a jrpg, even if it is a terrible bland one. Argue about it all you want, anybody who has played it will agree.

[Anonymous No.1342220]

Another decent 3DO game is Burning Soldier. That and the port of Starblade are pretty awesome rail shooters. I know that's not a genre many people enjoy but I can't get enough of them.

[Anonymous No.1342221]

>>1342179
I had stuff I really enjoyed on 3do. Return fire was amazing as well as Star Control 2. I loved Fifa, Gex and Need for Speed. Avp and Iron soldier are better than all those except SC2. Saying it's better than N64 is just retarded and trully makes you a r.e.a.l. zealot. That shoots all your credibility out of the water.

[Anonymous No.1342225]

>>1342179
better than N64 or even the wee. Troll much?

[Anonymous No.1342232]

>>1342191
>Towers 2 is Jag exclusive
Bullshit it is. You're not the only one who knows their Jag in here. 3DO is still better. Better to own hands down. Better library to most normal players, too.

[Anonymous No.1342234]

>>1342179
whoa whoa whoa! Crash n Burn was pretty good, what did you not like about it? It was one of the best combat/racing games at the time

[Anonymous No.1342231]

>>1342221
>>1342225
I'm just saying I enjoyed it more since the tech leap from 16 bit was unmatched and its library catered better to my tastes you morons. Unlike the Jag idiots in this thread I don't state my opinions and tastes as facts.

[Anonymous No.1342235]

>>1342184
I'd love to see a Lucienne's Quest remake / retelling on modern platforms with anime visuals. The plot and tone of the game remind me of the Atelier series.

[Anonymous No.1342239]

>>1342234
Yeah I know many people like it but I didn't. I think it was mainly the campy characters and the framerate which even for its time was pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.1342249]

>>1342239
I kind of like the campy characters, so bad its good type of deal, i remember the framerate being pretty good though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYmur6p6U9Q

at least better than the games that were coming out in 93 for other consoles

[Anonymous No.1342252]

>>1342232
Yes Towers 2 was on the Falcon and they ported it to GBC. Falcons were never big here in the states and the GBC version is well crap. Whomever dislikes Crash and Burn though.....I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.1342251]

>>1342235
Absolutely. I can't believe that Jagoff fanboy tried to put the Jag chase game up against the 3DO chase game.

Yeah let's start an RPG thread where we honestly compare Lucienne's Quest to Towers II and we'll see which comes out on top.

Although I guess some people really strongly prefer WRPGs

[Anonymous No.1342256]

>>1342251
I can't believe a 3do zealot compares a shoddy Jrpg to any Arpg.

[Anonymous No.1342258]

>>1342252
There's an Atari ST version that was contemporary with the Jaguar version.

[Anonymous No.1342265]

>>1342256
Hey if we cant compare them fairly because of the slight difference in subgenre, then let's just compare dollar value shall we? People vote with their wallets on eBay completed listings.

[Anonymous No.1342268]

>>1342116
Well, fortunately the gear I broke isn't missing any teeth, it's only got a radial crack, and when I take it off the rod it goes back to its original form.

Maybe I'll make a bunch of them and put them up somewhere for people that need them.

[Anonymous No.1342278]

>>1342258
ummmm ST was dead by 1990, thats Towers. Towers is vastly different. Towers 2 came out in 1996. Are you sure you know anything about this? Towers 2 had a release on the Atari Falcon in EU only, got reworked and ported to Jag. Get on my level nig.

[Anonymous No.1342283]

>>1342278
http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-st-towers-ii-plight-of-the-stargazer_28592.html

[Anonymous No.1342292]

I never heard of Towers 2 so I went to give a Google on it. Are people in this thread really comparing a JRPG to a dungeon crawler WRPG? Wouldn't make it more sense to compare it against Slayer?

[Anonymous No.1342301]

>>1342268
In that case you could just glue it but if you're up for using it to make a mold it's a good idea to do it while it still has all it's teeth. In that case silicon will give you a long lasting high precision mold you can use years down the road when a tooth does break.

[Anonymous No.1342302]

>>1342283
uh yeah, you see ST type? It says Falcon an ST cant run this. Just because it was written in ST language, doesn't make it an ST game. Obviously you know nothing of Atari computers. Like I said get on my level and thanks for proving yourself stupid. it takes a real man to do that.

[Anonymous No.1342348]

>>1342191
Tempest 2000 isn't an exclusive either.

[Anonymous No.1342351]

>>1342301
I've never been a fan of glue, it always cracks apart at the break far too easily in comparison to the original strength of whatever I use it on.

[Anonymous No.1342359]

>>1342351
http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Mold-Silicone-Molding-Casting/dp/B003CHMZXI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1389913783&sr=8-2&keywords=silicone+mold+putty

This is what I used and I was really happy with the results. When I bought mine though it was about $10 cheaper so do some looking around.

[Anonymous No.1342370]

>>1342359
All right, thanks. I'll look around through the options if I get a favorable employment response this week.

Fuck getting a job. "We want someone with more experience for this position. How do you get more experience? Get a job." -Every employer ever.

[Anonymous No.1342439]

>>1342359
Silicone rubber would be better.

[Anonymous No.1342450]

>>1340850
>the best home version of Raiden ever
Post invalidated

[Anonymous No.1342574]

>>1341907
>>1341891
> 32x rather higher than Sega CD

loool

[Anonymous No.1343031]

>>1342574
>1995
They were going on history for the Sega CD and projections for the 32X at the time.

[Anonymous No.1343553]

>>1339908
There's one of these sitting at the secondhand store near my house that I've been staring at for months now. its like 15 bucks but its Japanese. I know its region free, should I bother getting it?

[Anonymous No.1343675]

>>1343553
For $15? Definitely.Even if just to sell on eBay for like $80