Shmup General on /vr/ since /vg/ sucks

[Anonymous No.1339003]

Old thread died.

Battle Mania/Trouble Shooter doesn't get enough love.

[Anonymous No.1339009]

[Anonymous No.1339017]

been playing some random shmups from my mame romset that I threw into my favorites on hyperspin. Came across this one, it was bretty gud. Lives up to the "rapid" name, everything moves super fast, almost no delay between stages, tons of popcorn enemies swarming down in patterns at high speed, crazy fast scrolling backgrounds

[Anonymous No.1339079]

MUSHA and Elemental Master are the best Genesis shmups.

[Anonymous No.1339083]

>general
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.1339093]

>>1339003
>>1339009

Supposedly, the only reason they were beating on the SNES was because the Battle Mania team was given the shaft when it came to development tools, while the team making the SNES game got the best end of the deal. I don't remember where I saw that, but that was the case.

Vic Tokai was DED anyway.

[Anonymous No.1339293]

>>1339017
Yeah, I've played that before and it's pretty solid.
Sort of reminds me of Recca, which is always a good thing in my book.

[Anonymous No.1339634]

[Anonymous No.1339670]

What are some easy beginner-tier shmups?

I enjoyed MUSHA and found it pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.1339690]

>>1339670
Not sure if it counts, but I found Sin and Punishment to be pretty fun and not too complex.

[Anonymous No.1339702]

>>1339670
Most of Compile's stuff is like that, check out Blazing Lazers and Zanac Neo

[Anonymous No.1339728]

>>1339003
I like the Battle Manias. They kinda feel like Treasure games with all the quirky enemies and nonsensical humor.

[Anonymous No.1339756]

Maybe someone remembers my post in the previous threads but I finally found the game I was looking for, even though it looks like my memory was very blurry.

It's called Medicalat and is a nice short horizontal shmup made with the enterbrain shooter maker 95.

You control a girl armed with a syringe and fly through a dreamworld. You can either detach the syringe from you and it will shoot projectiles or you can equip it and absorb enemies and (most) projectiles and fill up your energy bar that lets you unleash a powerful beam once it's full. Although you have to be careful not to overload your energy bar or else you will lose one block on your life bar and all the energy. Sometimes there are pick-ups that fill up either your life or energy bar. The graphics are pretty bland but I think that it's worth a play because of this interesting mechanic. (although I am not sure if it hasn't been done before).

It's freeware and you can find it on google. Sadly I get an error message when I try to run it (Direct Draw: gibberish)

[Anonymous No.1339818]

>>1339670
Thunder Force III definitely. Most people who are good at shmups can beat it in their first or second sitting without trying too hard and it's still an incredibly good game.

It'll also lead you into Thunder Force IV, which is the greatest of all time.

[Anonymous No.1339863]

Darius Gaiden was here.

Everything else is a loser.

[Anonymous No.1340004]

>>1339079
>Not Giares

Come on man! Don't get me wrong, those are great games but Giares is hands down the best shooter on the Genesis.

[Anonymous No.1340012]

>>1340004
I don't even generally like horizontals, but this one is just clicks. Gaiares starts to infuriate me when I get to the tunnels full of enemies and there's no way to dodge.

[Anonymous No.1340015]

>>1340012
Ahh yeah, I guess if you don't like horizontals that would change things. I like both, if anything horizontals slightly more. But I think of them as being the same. My favorite of all time is probably Gradius V. I killed a PS2 with that game, I played it so much.

Hellfire isn't bad, but Giares just has that great shooter mix of lots of challenge and lots of options for making your ship crazy powerful.

[Anonymous No.1340968]

Is there a single import Saturn shmup that isn't $60 - $100?

This shit is aggravating.

[Anonymous No.1340979]

>>1340004
What exactly was the deal with this guy? He was in every Gaiares advert, and was constantly sponsoring it. Did he have a fixation with that game to the same level that Mark does with Truxton?

Speaking of:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLUEH7M_xbc&t=2m17s

[Anonymous No.1340981]

>>1340968
Careful ebay watching is the only way. It's very frustrating how many scheisters try to make a quick buck on ebay. I kept on waiting for Layer Section II to be offered at a reasonable price before I just got fed up and purchased the [superior] PS1 port of RayStorm. Thunder Force V on the PS1 is also cheaper.

You can still find the greats like Soukyogurentai or Sexy Parodius in the $50 range.

The cheapest shmups are Darius Gaiden, Galactic Attack, and the Gradius Deluxe Pack. Most of the rest are $40 and up. I think I got Darius II for $30 a few years back, but you really, really gotta like Darius II to pay more than that (even at the time I felt like I paid too much!).

[Anonymous No.1341010]

>>1340981
Raystorm is on the PS2 version of Taito Legends 2 which is also very cheap. Rayforce/Galactic Attack/Layer Section is on the Xbox version.

Taito Legends 2 in general has a great shmup selection (including the best version of G Darius).

[Anonymous No.1342429]

>>1339670
Seconding Blazing Lazers. I find the Star Soldier games pretty easy, but still fun.

I've been enjoying Burning Angels over the last couple of days too, and it is really easy. I think it would be fun to play with a friend.

[Anonymous No.1343341]

>>1339670
Advanced Busterhawk Gleylancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tkXFtgv0ZE

[Anonymous No.1343353]

>>1339670
Touhou 2 and 4

[Anonymous No.1343364]

Large enemy approaching.

[Anonymous No.1343813]

>>1343353
Really any 2hu game is pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.1345335]

Shmups suck.

[Anonymous No.1345356]

whats the best shmup for someoen who is a complete newbie ?

[Anonymous No.1345410]

>>1345356
Maybe try a hybrid with a genre you already like and are familiar with? For instance, if you like overhead action games there's The Guardian Legend.

[Anonymous No.1345441]

>>1345356

Play a bunch of different styles. It's hard to say what you're gonna find appealing at first, you just need to play a lot of different games to find what clicks with you and is fun.

Also check the wiki:
http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Shmups_101

Find one or two you really like, spend some time learning the scoring system and slowly work your way towards the elusive 1cc.

[Anonymous No.1345460]

>>1343341

Translation patch:
http://mijet.eludevisibility.org/Gleylancer/Gleylancer.html

[Anonymous No.1345606]

>>1345335
You suck.

[Anonymous No.1345653]

>>1345441
>recommending that piece of shit wiki to anyone
Not even once.

[Anonymous No.1346523]

So you guys tried any of the newly dumped Cave games on MAME yet? Do they emulate well enough?

There's stuff like DDP Daifukkatsu and Deathsmiles Black Label now.

[Anonymous No.1346583]

>>1346523

Trying to now, but MAME is the pissiest thing ever when it comes to which specific roms to use.

[Anonymous No.1346658]

>>1346583
the cv1k driver was added after the last u release so you have to get Haze's UME or compile from source yourself

also, once you figured out how to use clrmamepro it's rather easy to update romsets

[Anonymous No.1346662]

>>1345653
It's only shit because you've not contributed to it! :D

I know you can do it, anon! Save the wiki! :D

[Anonymous No.1346676]

>>1345653
Do your best we believe in you.

[Anonymous No.1346694]

>>1346523
some slowdown and sound issues when the action gets hot. But then again my PC is already 4 years old.

[Anonymous No.1348568]

What do you guys think of Xexex? I've played it on the Salamander Portable and it was a blast. The graphic and sound effects when the ship jumps into hyper space in stage 6 were just fantastic.

[Anonymous No.1348701]

>>1339003
True. Not only one of the best Mega Drive exclusives but one of the most enjoyable 16-bit games that aged pretty well. I also liked the dialogues at it localization.

[Anonymous No.1348705]

>>1348568
It's fucking awesome yet so underrated comparing to other Konami shmup. Good thing they included it at Salamander Portable in order to be appreciated from more people.

[script writer kibe No.1349034]

>>1339670
>What are some easy beginner-tier shmups?
Galaga, Galaxian, and Space Invaders

Can't go wrong with the classics

[Anonymous No.1349052]

>>1348568

Just tried it.

[Anonymous No.1349079]

>>1348701

Hope you tried the sequel.

[Anonymous No.1350135]

>>1348568
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCTlQj2fsV8

[Anonymous No.1352494]

What shmups do you own /vr/?

[Anonymous No.1352527]

>>1352494
Only shmup I have at my apartment is Gradius V. I might also have Ikaruga around with my other Game Cube games, but I sort of regret buying that one.

[Anonymous No.1352536]

>>1352527

>Ikaruga
>regret

For god's sake, why?

[Anonymous No.1352539]

>>1352536
Because it isn't a very good game.

[Anonymous No.1352548]

>>1352539

Care to explain?

[Anonymous No.1352549]

>BATTLE FUCKING MANIA

I love you /vr/.

[Anonymous No.1352552]

>>1352548
Memorizing the order Treasure wants me to kill enemies in isn't very much fun.

[Anonymous No.1352560]

>>1352552

Memorizing the kill order only comes into play if you're going for the high score. Why would you judge the game entirely on that?

[Anonymous No.1352615]

>>1352560
Ikaruga is a a fucking snooze fest.

[Anonymous No.1352638]

>>1352615
>X is a a fucking snooze fest
>likes gradius

[Anonymous No.1352661]

Reminder that Twinkle Star Sprites is the best shump ever made.

[Anonymous No.1352697]

>>1339670

Beginner mode.

[Anonymous No.1352756]

>>1352638
I don't like gradius

[Anonymous No.1352771]

>>1352661
Did anyone really need to be reminded of something that obvious?

[Anonymous No.1352784]

I've been playing a lot of RayStorm and RayCrisis for the PS1.

I think I like RayCrisis a bit more; it's more dynamic and challenging than RayStorm. But the tilted perspective and drift of both games is a pain compared to their predecessor, RayForce, which is certainly a 10/10 game for me.

The arrange modes of both games are gorgeous though. I snapped up RayStorm's Neu Tanz album using some iTunes giftcard sitting in my bedroom for over a year now. RayCrisis' arranged album is also really sweet.

Also play some Thunder Force V in there from time to time. I like the game, but I wish it was a little tougher!

[Anonymous No.1352813]

>>1352756
Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.1352818]

>>1352813
>Someone doesn't like the games I like!

[Anonymous No.1352832]

Hey guise, maybe you'd know the answer to this. Several years ago, at least prior to 2009 but probably several years further back, I remember seeing my cousin playing some game that looked resembled Galaga or Space Invaders on a PS2 except that between waves there was crazy 3D shit going on. The gameplay during waves seemed normal (except for crisper graphics) but between waves the camera would flip around and show the approaching wave. I remember it looking cool as fuck (at the time) but I never figured out what game it was and wasn't close enough to those family members to ask afterwards (wouldn't even know how to get ahold of them). Does this ring description ring any bells for anyone?

I know PS2 isn't considered retro, but if it's a Galaga or Space Invaders update then it should still count I think. I only remembered about it recently when I found out about this updated Pac-Man game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXO5Z8sB7Y

[Anonymous No.1352926]

More Battle Mania!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TROxFtkxk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmUhm_0m-zM

[Anonymous No.1352958]

was just playing the MSX version of Gradius 2 on the Saturn Konami MSX Collection, that game is tucking great, and you feel like a champ when you get good at it. Music is bombin', too.

http://youtu.be/X-_EOZ8f4JM

[Anonymous No.1353094]

>>1352560
>Why would you judge a shmup entirely on scoreplay?
Come on, anon.

[Anonymous No.1353250]

>>1352560
Ideally there shouldn't be a difference. Like Battle Garegga.

[Anonymous No.1353373]

What are some shmups with dynamic environmental elements? Think the closing gates in Ikaruga or the cell stage of Gradius except it "changes" every run.

[Anonymous No.1353383]

>>1352494

Image Fight (NES and PC-Engine)
Image Fight II: Operation Deepstriker
R-Type 1 and 2 (PC Engine)
R-Type Complete CD (PC Engine CD)
R-Type III
Gradius (NES)
Falsion (FDS)
Gyruss (FDS)
Guardian Legend
King's Knight (NES)
Zanac (NES and FDS)
Abadox
Tiger-Heli
Twin Cobra
Star Soldier
Burai Fighter (NES)
Sky Shark
UN Squadron
Einhander
Strikers 1945 (PSX)
In the Hunt (PSX)

>non-/vr/
R-Type Final
Ikaruga (GC)

I really need to get some Genesis shooters.

[Anonymous No.1353461]

>>1353094
Well why would you?

[Anonymous No.1353491]

>>1353461
If you disregard scoring every shmup plays the same.

[Anonymous No.1353495]

>>1353491
You must be a bullet hell player.

[Anonymous No.1353498]

>>1353495
>shoot at enemies
>dodge anything that kills you
>abuse whatever gimmick the game has to stay alive
Yeah, only bullet hell games play like this.

[Anonymous No.1353502]

>>1353498
You're definitely a bullet hell player.

[Anonymous No.1353504]

>>1353498
You just described Doom. Are you saying that Doom is a shmup and that it plays the same as, say, Gradius?

[Anonymous No.1353508]

>>1353502
Nice retort.

>>1353504
I didn't feel like mentioning trivial shit like screen orientation and number of dimensions because no one would be that retarded to ask, but here we go.

[Anonymous No.1353513]

>>1353508
Yes, I'm the retarded one, yet you think Gradius III and Dangun Feveron are the same.

[Anonymous No.1353517]

>>1353513
If you don't play for score, they are.
Play for score, don't be a casual. Don't be like 90% of the Touhou fanbase.

[Anonymous No.1353523]

>>1353517
>If you don't play for score, they are.
1/10

This is the weakest bait. That 1 is because I responded.

[Anonymous No.1353528]

>>1352494
Ikaruga GC
Dragon Spirit
Starship Hector
Salamander
Mercenary Force

I'm a poorfag, and shmups are always too expensive. I'll probably never own a copy of Hyper Duel on the Saturn ;_;

[Anonymous No.1353530]

>>1353523
Please do point out how they are not the same when you are merely playing for survival instead of resorting to the bait card when you are out of arguments.

[Anonymous No.1353537]

>>1353530
>Please do point out how they are not the same

Horizontal vs. Vertical
Stage Hazards vs. Bullet Hell

And that's on the surface. You horrible, son.

[Anonymous No.1353570]

>>1353528
>You will never own Battle Garegga

Unless I can find a copy when I hopefully go to Japan next summer. Fuck paying almost $200 for it online

[Anonymous No.1353573]

>>1353537
>Stage Hazards vs. Bullet Hell
In other words, collidable objects versus collidable objects. What do you do in both cases? Avoid them.

>Horizontal vs. Vertical
This is meaningless. No matter how you spin the screen, you
- control your player character in one plane
- shoot at things
- avoid running into things
The only way to distinguish between the two, then, is something each of them has that the other does not. The scoring system. THIS IS WHY SCORING IS THE ONLY WAY TO JUDGE A SHMUP. YOUR PURPOSE IS NOT TO DODGE HAZARDS OR SHOOT AT ENEMIES. EVERYTHING HAS THAT.
Shmup 101, free of charge.

[Anonymous No.1353585]

>>1353573
Yeah just like how SRPGs should be judged based on how much damage you can do?

[Anonymous No.1353587]

>>1353585
That's not even analogous to what the guy said. They should be judged on the battle system that determines the damage. Like the scoring system determines the score.

[Anonymous No.1353591]

>>1353573
>YOUR PURPOSE IS NOT TO DODGE HAZARDS OR SHOOT AT ENEMIES. EVERYTHING HAS THAT.

I love how you don't take different gameplay features in consideration. This makes your stance fallacious. You really are the worst troll.

[Anonymous No.1353597]

>>1353591
Are there many shmups with unusual mechanics that aren't somehow connected to scoring?

[Anonymous No.1353603]

>>1353587
So the various techniques, level design, and how different weapons may completely change your playstyle aren't relevant?

[Anonymous No.1353605]

>>1353597
Gradius has that whole option feature as well as the custom loadouts (which, while aren't exclusive to Gradius, still set it apart from those games that don't have it)

Oh, and the fact that in Gradius, most of the difficulty comes from the stage itself (enemies, enemy fire, as well as stage hazards you have to fly around) and the boss encounters are usually easy as piss compared to everything that came before it.

I dunno how someone thinks this is the exact same as a bullet hell shooter. Maybe because someone's being reductionist for no reason at all.

[Anonymous No.1353609]

>>1352494

Didn't realize I had this many Shmups till taking this picture...

[Anonymous No.1353620]

>>1353605
I haven't played a Gradius a lot, but enough to know that the options can affect your score. I'm not sure that tricky stage design is a feature uncommon enough to be worth mentioning.

[Anonymous No.1353624]

>>1353603
>So the various techniques, level design, and how different weapons
You're just talking about different aspects that affect strategy and damage, or, in other words, the battle system.

[Anonymous No.1353645]

Not a lot of retro ones, but I guess some of the games came out originally in the 90's

Anyone played Sanvein for the PS1? It's radically different from normal SHMUPs. Instead of lives you have a count-down(being hit gives you a big time loss) and every levels pits you in an arena against a couple of enemies.

[Anonymous No.1353702]

>>1353645
Why does Europe get so many shmups while us in the states are forced to stick with the paltry releases we get?

[Anonymous No.1353715]

>>1353702
Ehh, the states got more JRPG releases

[Anonymous No.1353765]

Gwange Dash download link ?

Anyone ?

[Anonymous No.1353787]

>>1353528
Shit, forgot about my Deathsmiles Special Edition.

I sold the 360 long ago (bought a Famicom with the money) but kept the game to myself. Sage for not retro.

[Anonymous No.1353789]

>>1353765
Is it ok to post this now? Cave finally stopped being anal about copyrights, didn't they?

[Anonymous No.1353830]

>>1353789

Actually Im not really sure. But hell... All the googling and researching about the game. Same poster btw.

What I think it is safe actually post atleast some direction where to download it. And I dont think someone will call a hitman to your personal location to assassinate you haha.

I just wanna give that game real good shoot to try it even once. Heard a lot positive things about that game.

Saying again. Not really sure about butthurt stuff what they have been up to lately. Guess If I wanna try it i should contact privately via email who has it, but thats BS... or not.

Is is even that good or not. Any comments ?

[Anonymous No.1353852]

>>1353830
Is it ok if I upload it myself?

Ah, fuck it, just take it. It's not like this stuff is easy to find.
https://mega.co.nz/#!YEN3Ea6b!PeWD4xaRlTmphBWBrnIIlRlPu_tZfmZZhC6hQfd4JA4

[Anonymous No.1353926]

What are some essential Dreamcast shmups that aren't Ikaruga?

[Anonymous No.1353987]

>>1353926
Bangai-o
Pysvariar 2
Under Defeat
Zero Gunner 2
Border Down
Shikigami no Shiro II
Twinkle Star Sprites
Marx Matrix
Giga Wing

Uh, not that many shmups on the Dreamcast compared to the Saturn, it seems.

[Anonymous No.1354000]

>>1353926

Gunbird 2.

[Anonymous No.1354003]

>>1353852
>download this game blind from your link
>mfw playing it for the first time
actually mega was going slow as shit for me so I googled the filename and found it on mediafire in 5 seconds

[Anonymous No.1354012]

>>1354003
Amazing, isn't it? A shame the author wanted it to disappear from the internet.

I'll make sure something like that never happens.

[Anonymous No.1354338]

>>1353852

Thanks man. It works and all is well.

[Anonymous No.1354796]

If scoring is so great why aren't they called scoring games?

[Anonymous No.1354826]

>>1354796
Because scoring is the secondary goal after survival.

[Anonymous No.1354836]

>>1354826
Then why aren't they called survival games?

[Anonymous No.1355076]

Is Salamander even possible to 1CC?

[Anonymous No.1355086]

>>1354836
Because it's possible to reach the end and win.

[Anonymous No.1355101]

>>1355086
What about infinite loops?

[Anonymous No.1355107]

>>1355101

You become the loop master, obviously.

[Anonymous No.1355114]

>>1353504
Not him, but Doom is technically a shmup, and the two games really do play the same.

[Anonymous No.1355119]

>>1355076
Every time I get to stage 4, I am greeted with a resounding "NO" to that question.

Fuck that boss.

[Anonymous No.1355524]

>>1353852
>tfw no Reco and Palm

[Anonymous No.1356324]

http://www.play-asia.com/dodonpachi-saidaioujou-platinum-collection-paOS-13-49-en-70-7fm5.html

Dodonpachi Saidaioujou (Platinum Collection) up for preorder from there. Looks like there isn't any region protection on it, so now is your chance.

Also I just picked up Akai Katana today. Spent some time with it, and got the game figured out, it's ridiculously fun. I think I prefer Slash mode to original/climax, but it's seriously awesome.

[Anonymous No.1356334]

>>1356324
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.1356598]

Have there been any shmups that customize as well as Tyrian did? That shit was the best.

[Anonymous No.1356612]

>>1356598

Jets n Guns Gold I think.

[Anonymous No.1356639]

>>1355076
if you mean the NES version, yes it is.

i can do it with my eyes blindfolded

[Anonymous No.1356706]

>>1356598
Ginga Force

[Anonymous No.1356853]

>>1356598
>>1356612
Ew, euroshmups.

[Anonymous No.1356874]

>>1356853
Ew, weeaboos.

[Anonymous No.1356890]

>>1356874
Is 'weeaboo' still a thing?

[Anonymous No.1356897]

>>1356890
It's just a /v/ermin.

[Anonymous No.1357434]

>>1356853

I like em more. Not too attached to manic shooters and playing as a little girls listening that god awful j-pop style music.

There are very few bullet hells that I like thou.
Gwange Dash is one of them.

And >>1356598

Try Stargunner too.

[Anonymous No.1357580]

>>1356324

Yeah it's a sweet deal, and it'll be a nice surprise when I've forgotten I bought it and it arrives in march

[Anonymous No.1357583]

>>1357434
>j-pop
I can't recall a shmup that has this.

[Anonymous No.1357586]

>>1357583

Trigger Heart Exelica comes to mind, it's loaded with Jpop.

But for CAVE games, the soundtracks tend to be quite driving and intense.

[Anonymous No.1357589]

>>1357583
He's that guy who calls any melodic music jpop.

[Anonymous No.1357612]

>>1357583
>>1357589

Goddamn I know what j-pop generally is. I said STYLE. Point is that games like TOUHOU is not appealing to me. Overall feeling is like anime, little girls and all that shit you know. You guys are just nitpicking about that little too hard now.

Every melodic music j-pop ? Only a man with a small mind would think so. As I like many kinds of music.

[Anonymous No.1357626]

>>1357612
Euroshmups are still disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1357640]

>>1357626
Euroshmups are kinda grim and boring. Too old-fashioned.

[Anonymous No.1357672]

>>1357640
>>1357626

Well... I like it as old-fashioned. Shops and upgrades. Kickass soundtrack and smooth gameplay. I know they are not as hard compared to many/all bullet hell shooters. Ofcourse I believe all these kinds of game should be challenging.

I think its good there are diversity and different styles. But to say disgusting and bad ? I dont think TOUHOU or similiar games are disgusting and bad. The way you put your opinions about the old fashioned style is like, there should never be discussion about these games.

Its just some people still want these games and not to be forgotten. Im sure there are people who thinks the same.

[Anonymous No.1357675]

>>1357672
I like old-school shooters too, things like Gradius, Rapid Hero, Fire Shark, Truxton, Darius etc. Euroshmups just feel really shitty.

[Anonymous No.1357681]

>>1357672
>smooth gameplay
Isn't euroshmup a term for games with inertia up the ass though?

[Anonymous No.1357690]

>>1357675

Great games you listed. Yea you say euroshmups feels shitty. Thats okay cause people tend have like different tastes example in food, music and games.
Im just glad there is even discussion about shmups.

[Anonymous No.1357697]

>>1357672
I don't think they're necessarily crap. And I like the occasional simple shmup myself.

Maybe the one thing I can't forgive about most Euroshmups is the tryhard soundtracks from the cyberpunk demo era. Give me a Japanese rock or electronic soundtrack any time.

Much respect for the old demosceners and all that, but that time is long gone and I personally don't miss it. Just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.1357778]

>>1356874
Euroshmups suck because of bad game design, not because they're European.

>>1357434
I don't like bullet hell but euroshmups are worse.
>purchasing upgrades
>takes multiple hits to die
>health bars
>ship accelerates and has intertia
Disgusting.

>>1357672
You're arguing with a strawman. I never said I liked kawaii uguu Cave shooters, I actually greatly prefer the classic shooters like Soldier Blade and R-Type.

[Anonymous No.1357825]

>>1357672
>euroshmups
>smooth gameplay

[Anonymous No.1357826]

>>1357697
>>1357778

Good posts.

But something is bugging me. Im not here try to defend euroshmup designed games. I just want something that isnt kawaii uguu shooter. Almost every other feels good.

And people reading this. Are you saying tyrian 2000 and others like that are bad games ? Not sure are you even implying this, but anyway.

I still like these.
>purchasing upgrades
>takes multiple hits to die
>health bars

I like opposite way too have to say. Meaning to die 1 hit etc.

[Anonymous No.1357830]

I like both classic shooters and bullet hell games. Even touhou.

Guess I'm some kind of anomoly.

[Anonymous No.1357869]

>>1357830

Nah, its cool that you get to enjoy more games.

>>1357825

Well fuck you too. Many arent smooth yes. Few gems are so again fuck you. or not if troll.

[Anonymous No.1358116]

>>1357830
No, that's common.
It's liking euroshmups that's uncommon.

[Anonymous No.1358284]

>>1357830
You are not a graphics whore and/or a scrub.
Then again, most people are so I guess that counts as uncommon.

>>1358116
Maybe the other guy didn't know euroshmups =/= Western-developed shmups.

[Anonymous No.1358715]

>>1358284
I'm aware of the distinction, but *are* there any Western-developed shmups that aren't euroshmups?

[Anonymous No.1358723]

>>1358715
>>1358715
My Little Pegasus: Kizuna DoPonyPachi

[Anonymous No.1358730]

>>1358723
God I hate bronies.

[Anonymous No.1358742]

>>1353573
No.

[Anonymous No.1358765]

Why aren't any of the CAVE shmups on ps3? Fuck xbox.

[Anonymous No.1358773]

>>1358765
They're shit anyway.

[Anonymous No.1358786]

>>1358773
How?

[Anonymous No.1358812]

>>1358730
What pooca doujin is that from?

[Anonymous No.1358818]

>>1358786
Those games are easy, plain and simple.
Oh, let's all get the scoring system and "play for score". Too bad chaining isn't fucking fun, like the rest of these games. The entire things are designed to anger and frustrate you. Oh, you get a true last boss on one fucking level! Wow, pardon me while I make the universal motion for a handjob. Evacanneer Doom fucking sucked. What did it do, exactly? It let you DODGE BULLETS, something you were able to do the entire fucking game. Oh, also you looked gay.
There are some interesting power-ups in the games, such as Hyper and Kakusei. But guess what? You can get them on like 2 levels total, and if you fuck up and get hit or bomb ONCE, you lose them, FOREVER. Wow, that's fun! I love games that demand I play perfectly or have no fun, because I'm a fucking jap who strives for absolute perfection in gaming otherwise I kill myself.
Cave games may have been interesting or fun at one time, but the games are worthless pieces of shit in today's day and age. They're horribly flawed and full of punch-in-the-dick moments, much more so than they have moments that are just fun to play.

[Anonymous No.1358829]

>>1358818
>wahhh i'm shit at video games and want games to hand me gratification on a platter because i can't appreciate the idea of skill or mastery

[Anonymous No.1358862]

>>1358818
Do you normally get a true last boss on two different levels?

[Anonymous No.1358874]

>>1358818
You copied this from Sydlexia, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.1358913]

>>1358818

I used to like Cave games until I put some serious time into them. That's when I discovered that "rank" was just a way of preventing a very skilled player from one-crediting the game.

[Anonymous No.1358914]

>>1358715

What about Jamestown?

[Anonymous No.1358928]

>einhander still not on the PSN

Kill me

[Anonymous No.1358947]

>>1358913
A very skilled player can't be prevented from one-crediting a game by definition.

[Anonymous No.1358957]

>>1358928
http://www.gamesradar.com/10-great-japan-only-psn-games-and-how-to-download-them/

[Anonymous No.1358997]

>>1358947

I should have said that rank is a way for the game to cheat and delay a very skilled player from one-crediting the game, a way to milk more quarters. Whenever I die from rank kicking in, it feels like a huge cock is being shoved in my ass. It's not fair for a game to randomly change it's difficulty level so that bullets are twice as fast as before. It's cheap and it's very frustrating, and it's the reason I always end up hating Cave games.

[Anonymous No.1359013]

>>1358997
That's a kind of retarded preconception you have there. Not defending Cave.

[Anonymous No.1359197]

>>1358818
Why is the genre still riddled with this kind of scrub? Is shmups finally dying?

[Anonymous No.1359218]

>>1359197
It's the xbox generation.

[Anonymous No.1359264]

I like cave shmups myself but I do find them highly over rated. Everyone talks about them like they are gods gift to shooter fans when they aren't any better than most other shmups.

[Anonymous No.1359265]

>>1359264
What better shmups are there? CAVE is the god of shmups, man.

[Anonymous No.1359271]

>>1359265
lol what? nah most of their earlier shit as toaplan is just as good. gradius is just as good, darius is just as good, most of compiles shit is that good too. I think they are really good I just dont think they are OMG THE BEST EVER better than everything else

[Anonymous No.1359274]

>>1359264
I don't see other shmups scoreplayed to the level of CAVE shmups. Except maybe Raizing and Treasure.

[Anonymous No.1359285]

>>1359274
I guess that makes them more appealing to those types of players, I just dont think that makes it better than something though just different.

[Anonymous No.1359284]

>>1358715
Hydorah
Jamestown
Danmaku Unlimited
Xop
Neo Xyx

There's alot more too, those are just the first ones that come in mind.

>>1358765
Ketsui is on PS3 and luckily it's the best Cave game.

[Anonymous No.1359291]

>>1359265
Anything from Raizing.

[Anonymous No.1359313]

>>1359291
god damn it you just made me buy Shippu Mahou Daisakusen

[Anonymous No.1359325]

>>1359313
Shippu Mahou Daisakusen is one of the weaker Raizing games imo, it's not bad but the racing element just isn't that fun. Luckily the Saturn port has a secret "shooting" mode which doesn't have the racing.

[Anonymous No.1359327]

>>1359325
I got the saturn port because its like the only raizing game on the system I could afford. I've been trying to save muh money but there is the odd saturn game I still rly rly want. Strikers 1945 2 ugh

[Anonymous No.1359328]

>>1359327
Battle Garegga is worth the price, you should get it. It's probably the best shmup on the system.

[Anonymous No.1359337]

>>1359328
150 bucks is the lowest Im seeing on ebay Ill keep an eye out for it though, I dont mind spending that kind of money for just 1 game though damn. Ill see maybe I can find it in a lot with some other shit around the same price. I just want more than 1 game if I spend that kind of money even if they are just common cheap games. Still I will keep an eye out its not that I cant afford it im just a cheap bastard.

[Anonymous No.1359357]

You guys know that, in the $150 range, you could be buying honest-to-god arcade boardsets, right?

[Anonymous No.1359365]

>>1359357
the arcade board for garegga is actually more expensive. I would be doing that though if I could find a good cheap one, superguns arent very much are they

[Anonymous No.1359519]

>>1359365
>superguns arent very much are they
They are usually really expensive if you're not going to build your own.

[Anonymous No.1359778]

>>1359265
Go play Mars Matrix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbts2qTrbAg

[Anonymous No.1359792]

>>1359519
Vogatek ones are pretty cheap
http://www.vogatek.com/
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39712

[Anonymous No.1359794]

>>1359337
Soukyogurentai is cheaper than Garegga, and in my opinion, a better Raizing game too.

>>1359274
I don't think scoreplay is really a measuring stick of quality. Though if there are games that are legitimately fun to play for score, I don't think they're Cave games (Takumi all the way).

DaiOuJou is much more fun played for survival, for example.

>>1359265
Lots of shooters, but I prefer non-bullet-hell games.

Also, I think Psikyo games are often more fun than your average Cave game. There's no self-masturbatory scoring system in most of them, and the design is really pared down to the essentials. Dragon Blaze being an excellent example.

[Anonymous No.1359898]

>There's no self-masturbatory scoring system in most of them
Score is the direct measure of the player's skill and knowledge of the game. A player without score is just someone who flails around aimlessly. Why do people take pride in this? What is it about complex mechanics that scare people so much?

[Anonymous No.1359974]

>>1359794
Chaining upsets me so much, but I can't stop practicing them. Survival isn't nearly as frustrating, but also not nearly as satisfying as fully chaining a stage.

I can't say I really enjoy my time when I'm playing ddp, but I guess that stands for any competitive game in the beginning year or two. I'll get good and learn to like the game, even though it's made me rage like crazy in the past.

[Anonymous No.1359975]

>>1353926
>>1354000
>>1353987

What they said plus Fast Striker, Neo XYZ, and Sturmwind.

[Anonymous No.1359981]

>>1359313
Now go play Dimahoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2udy2iu7MTo

[Anonymous No.1360095]

can someone give me a link to the mame everyone uses to play cave games?

[Anonymous No.1360150]

>>1359898
You're right; I should go for the High Score in Street Fighter 2!
: /

You're putting way too much importance into only one aspect of the game. Score is only one way of measuring skill in a game, and it isn't *the* deciding factor. Score exists outside of the game: an arbitrary challenge that is not the be-all end-all of a game. Ha, like if I chained every enemy in DDP, I'd be having more "fun"? As if.

[Anonymous No.1360154]

>>1360150
lmao at this nigger comparing the score system on fucking sf 2 to the one on cave games

[Anonymous No.1360195]

>>1360154
"a player without score is one flailing around aimlessly"

As if looping Gradius or R-Type is "flailing around aimlessly." Games are good in spite of their scoring systems, not because of them. A game like DOJ is good because it's an excellent fucking shooter, not because people can waste time positioning themselves to shoot each enemy in the order you're supposed to.

Good manners too; you must fit in really well with other net-dwellers obsessing over numbers on a game-screen.

[Anonymous No.1360214]

>>1360195
>other net-dwellers obsessing over numbers on a game-screen
lmao it took me like 30 seconds to post that shit and it's my only post in the thread

[Anonymous No.1360240]

>>1360150
I actually went so far into playing Garou MOTW that I was going for high scores (and/or best time in survival).

If you are in TOP mode you get 2x scores, and if you do a Miracle win (perfect life + less than 20 second elapsed from match time) you get a 50k bonus...

in survival I could finish under 2 minutes with Grant but only because the CPU is retarded and you can spam hcf+D, dp+C+ {A+B}, repeat, and it will eventually do a failed counter and you can do high damage corner juggles.

[Anonymous No.1360284]

Scoring in shmups is a risk vs reward thing. Eventually if a player gets good at clearing a game, they will be facing easier/weaker enemies the same way every time. Scoring systems reward a player for being more aggressive and taking risks, keeping those parts of the game interesting for experienced players.

[Anonymous No.1360292]

That announcer from DOJ should be in every cave game since. he is pure gold.
WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT!

[Anonymous No.1360307]

pls i want to play mushihime sama again and last time i checked that mame version was super hard to find
>>1360095
>>1360095
>>1360095

[Anonymous No.1360472]

>>1360095
>>1360307
It's called "shmupmame"

[Anonymous No.1360508]

This should be required reading for you cocksuckers
http://imgur.com/a/q6BUr

[Anonymous No.1360542]

>>1360508
>icycalm

[Anonymous No.1360564]

>>1360508

>"Second off, I don't have "theories", fagot: I KNOW, because I have studied, thought about, and comprehended the history of art better than any human being that has ever existed."

Ah, icycalm.

[Anonymous No.1360567]

>>1360150
>>1360195
The SF2 comparison is silly, but I agree with you that the quality of a shmup can largely be judged and experienced through playing for survival. However, I disagree that shmups are good in "spite" of their scoring systems, as it does add depth into the way a particular game is played, so when someone plays it at that deep of a level then it's certainly a major part of the quality of the given game.

[Anonymous No.1360571]

>>1360542
>subhumans

[Anonymous No.1360601]

>>1360567

Scoring is also fairly integral to survival in many shmups. Extends are rewarded for score, but may be out of reach until a player has learned the scoring system. Dodonpachi was brought up by another anon, but that's a game that needs you to learn the chaining system and actively seek out long chains to get extends.

[Anonymous No.1360773]

>>1360472
none of the cave games except for dodonpachi run on on shmupmame

it was an old version of mame since the devs went full moralfag once cave said bawww dont pirate our games ;__;

does no one play any cave games here on their computers?

[Anonymous No.1360782]

>>1360773
I know that's true for standard MAME, but I literally just played Espgaluda a minute ago on shmupMAME.

[Anonymous No.1360790]

Fuck yes, just got this for $45.

[Anonymous No.1360795]

http://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/
https://mega.co.nz/#F!YZlFlYjb!fFp3TRGZpY0RBqZDCseMTQ

and for shmupmame (which has lag-reduced input etc:)
http://www.mediafire.com/?nz0227tzb9zor

now plz stop being a fag and begging for roms

[Anonymous No.1360796]

>>1360773
There's plenty of games on shmupmame that aren't DDP.

[Anonymous No.1360804]

>>1360773
Dodonpachi and the sequels you mean?

[Anonymous No.1360826]

>>1360804
>>1360782
ok sorry i kinda forgot about that game and probably some other cave games but what i meant was mushihime sama, deathsmiles, ketsui, the sequel to dodonpachi, i'm pretty sure akai katana is also emulated. none of these games run on any current version of mame and i'm almost sure i tried shmupmame but they weren't supported.

i mostly wanna play mushihime sama futari.
>>1360796
yeah i know but i'm looking to play the newer cave games

[Anonymous No.1360837]

>>1360782
woah wait i confused espgaluda with esp ra de
really? wow maybe that is the last cave game supported on the current version? i would be surprised if espgaluda 2 worked

[Anonymous No.1360841]

>>1360826
>>1360837
Ah, then yeah sucks they removed the option to play those. I actually found a link to the last version that had support for the other Cave games a year or so ago to play Deathsmiles and it worked great, but that was a reformat ago else I'd upload it for you, sorry. I just use my 360 for that now.

[Anonymous No.1360857]

>>1360826
ketsui and dodonpachi DOJ both run on shmupmame

[Anonymous No.1360862]

>>1360857
espgaluda works too, what the hell version are you people running?

[Anonymous No.1360876]

>>1360857
>>1360862
wow really? i'll try again then

[Anonymous No.1360879]

>>1360826
>>1360837
>>1360841
>>1360857
>>1360862
>>1360876

SEE

>>1360795

haze UME is a version of mame that is recently enough compiled to support cave CV1000 games

the mega link is a working set of CV1k roms

the other one is just a bunch of great classics included with a build of shmupmame that might be old

[Anonymous No.1360881]

>>1359794
>Psikyo games are often more fun

Fellow Psikyo bro!

[Anonymous No.1360954]

can anyone actually get radiant silvergun running smoothly on mame

I tried 5 years ago and it actually ran better than it does on current versions of MAME. How the fuck has MAME gotten worse over time?

[Anonymous No.1360976]

>>1360954
MAME is a clusterfuck

Once you get it working, don't touch your setup for a decade.

[Anonymous No.1361271]

You know, I would kill for a Tecnosoft collection. Especially considering how absurdly priced their Saturn games are these days.

I have no clue who even owns the rights to Thunder Force anymore.

[Anonymous No.1361275]

>>1360954
>How the fuck has MAME gotten worse over time?
It gets more accurate. MAME is about accuracy and preservation over all else.

[Anonymous No.1361276]

>>1360881
Psikyo is one of the best companies to ever grace the genre.

[Anonymous No.1362301]

>>1360954
MAME updates are a pain to deal with. Some games end up working after I update, but others need the updated romsets. Eventually, I just said fuck it after downloading the roms two different times and stuck with the version I had originally downloaded.

Is there a version of MAME that I can save state with on Raiden Fighters Jet? I finally made it to the final stage and I'd love to be able to practice it a little more. I'm not sure how much gets messed up when I save in shmupmame 4.2, but it seems like only the music gets screwed. It'd be okay if that were all that gets messed up, since I enjoy listening to my own music when I'm heavily grinding out a game.

[Anonymous No.1362313]

I am so fucking shit at SHMUPS.

I just started playing them and I started off with Gradius Gaiden. The farthest I've made it to was stage 5, then I got my shit handed to me.

I have no idea how I get past stage 4 if I die during it. I just cannot dodge all those moai heads with my dinky little single double shot, so my run pretty much ends if I die there, so I just start over.

How do you deal with this damn stage as a fresh ship with no upgrades?

[Anonymous No.1362353]

>>1339818

Don't you mean Lightning Force IV hurr hurr

[Anonymous No.1362407]

>>1340979
He was a professional gamer that really liked gaiares

[Anonymous No.1362531]

>>1362313
Don't get double get an option and then missiles.

[Anonymous No.1362540]

>>1360773

https://github.com/libretro/mame2013-libretro/commit/49826320e766a45ec95fbe107068617aa25aba7d

[Anonymous No.1362551]

>>1355119

[Anonymous No.1362929]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88LVSeBrnrY

This fucking intro, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.1363662]

This might be ever so slightly off topic but can anyone recommend a good first run n' gun? I want to get into the genre but all the games I know about are either really brutal or involve non-run n gun segments(contra lol).

Also, Hellsinker best doujin shmup. You know it to be true.

[Anonymous No.1363665]

>>1362551
that looks terrible why do people do this? is that some retards attempt at looking like a CRT display

[Anonymous No.1363686]

>>1363662
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/59593

[Anonymous No.1363713]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but does anyone remember a hentai SHMUP for PC? I remember seeing it many years ago, maybe around 11 years ago? sounds like a lot but i'm not sure

It looked very cartoony, colorful and simple and the characters were drawn in anime/manga style, the main character was a witch riding a broom with a pinty hat like the one from touhou project and i think she had a pet crow, i really wish i kept the game but my big brother was the one who showed it to me and after the first stage a NSFW scene popped up and said "hey you can't see this it's a porn game lol" and deleted it, thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.1363739]

>>1363713
Try asking your brother.

[Anonymous No.1363767]

>>1361276
Is Psikyo that one company who used the same powerup icons in all of their shmups?

Also, Jun Tsukasa is a poor hack version of Range Murata.

[Anonymous No.1363792]

>>1363767
I'm not sure why you would say that. The guy is, like, ten years older and was publishing his titty drawings before anyone knew who Range Murata was.

[Anonymous No.1363845]

>>1363713
Sentimental Shooting?

[Anonymous No.1364145]

>>1360954
nah it's like the only ST-V game that runs like total shit on my machine. Just emulate the saturn version

[Anonymous No.1364168]

>>1345410
I actually just played The Guardian Legend yesterday after not playing it for a few months. It's basically a vertical SHMUP crossed with The Legend of Zelda. As bizarre as that sounds, The Guardian Legend manages to pull it off beautifully.

My ONLY complaint is the ULTRA-long password system. At 32 characters (4 characters times 8 fields), it's even longer than the password system in Metroid. Good thing I still had a picture on my cell phone of the last password I saw (I used the real system; the password shouldn't be an issue if you use an emulator)

[Anonymous No.1364192]

>>1355076
It depends on the version.
Arcade and PC-Engine versions: Not sure; I haven't played them enough.
NES version: Yes, easily. In fact, with enough practice, it becomes difficult to NOT 1CC it.
MSX version: Almost a definite NO. I say "almost" because it HAS been done before; but the MSX Salamander game is one of the most stupidly difficult SHMUPS ever made.
In fact, the only way to truly beat the game (i.e. get the good ending) is if you find the "Crystal Breeze" hidden in either 3rd, 4th, or 5th stages (it changes), but you'll NEVER find the "Crystal Breeze" unless you have Gradius 2/Nemesis 2 installed in the 2nd cartridge slot at the same time!! Otherwise, when you complete the game, it will eventually tell you that your mission "Turned out to be a failure after all". It's as if Konami deliberately tried to make the most difficult and infuriating SHMUP ever, and they succeeded!

>>1363665
That pic appears to be taken with a scanline filter. I personally don't like scanline filters (i.e. emulated scanlines); for me, it's either real CRT scanlines or no scanlines at all

[Anonymous No.1364194]

>>1363665
Looks better than a blurry or pixelated mess.

[Anonymous No.1365686]

How do I git gud at shmups? Been playing Dodonpachi and I've been dying a lot at the first few stages.

[Anonymous No.1365760]

>>1365686

Practice.

Credit feed to learn the game.
Start limiting your credits to find out what parts you are dying or bombing lots at.
Learn the score system of the game so you can earn extends.
Use savestates to practice the parts you're getting stuck on.
Don't just mindlessly grind parts. If you're having trouble, think of why you're getting stuck, what types of bullets the enemies are shooting (spreads, streaming, beams, etc) and try to think of a way you can minimize the danger you're in.
Don't get discouraged, even if you are really stuck practice doing one thing well to build up that skill. After a while all those things come together and you will have a breakthrough.

[Anonymous No.1365839]

>>1365686
hitboxes are also important in shmups, often times your hitbox is a lot smaller than your ship. I wish there were an actual proper guide on this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.1365872]

>>1365839
>I wish there were an actual proper guide on this kind of stuff.

But there is!
http://forum.shmupemall.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=431#p9243

Also have a cute Black Heart from Battle Garegga.

[Anonymous No.1366624]

>>1362540
>>1360841
>>1360826
>>1362540

here's a more usfeul link
http://www.systempixel.fr/cave_sh-3/

[Anonymous No.1367528]

>>1365872
KICK ASS! Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.1367538]

Psikyo rank is the worst. It was a mistake to try and 1cc Gunbird 2.

;_;

[Anonymous No.1367687]

>>1367538
It's just a hard game, rank has little to do with it.

[Anonymous No.1367712]

>>1367538
>>1367687

I think Pink Sweets is probably the most fucked up rank system in a shmup. It only raises, sometimes heavily using the rose cracker, and there is no way to lower rank.

Battle Garegga has a tough ranking system, but at least you have a lot of options to control it and ways to lower it.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of rank systems, but for some people they add alot of depth and replayability to the game trying to ride the line between aggressive scoring and keeping things survivable.

[Anonymous No.1367725]

>>1367712
I think adaptive difficulty is an excellent way to lend extra replayability to a game. I just don't like overly cryptic bullshit like in Battle Garegga though. Darius Gaiden's system is fun (once I figured it all out) and I know it's not Retro but Hellsinker does it very nicely as well (actually has an indicator and such so you know what affects it).

[Anonymous No.1367763]

>>1363713
Search the tags for all the details you can remember and remove "touhou" from the results on gelbooru. I'm certain that's how a lot of people found game sources, by looking up the games porn.

[Anonymous No.1369602]

>>1339863
Darius II and Darius Gaiden had some amazing soundtracks. Metal Black too.

Zuntata so good.

[Anonymous No.1370998]

[Anonymous No.1371701]

Holy shit, Dangun Feveron's stage 3 is so ridiculous. I breezed through stage 1 and 2 with no misses and full chain after about half an hour of play but I've been stuck on stage 3 for at least a couple of hours now.

Fuck the boss' first phase green spread attack. So annoying to read.

[Anonymous No.1372550]

Made you look.

[Anonymous No.1374356]

>>1339003
Favorite shmups are mostly arcade.

Strikers 1945 III (AKA Strikers 1999)
UN Squadron
DonPachi
DodonPachi
ESP RA.de
Giga Wing
Gunbird 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.1374712]

Can anyone recommend some shmups where things explode into huge screen-filling points items that shower you in a bukkake of score?

Its *really* satisfying and I want more.

[Anonymous No.1374716]

So in Guwangedash, on level 2, there's a part where the screen actually scrolls downwards instead of upwards.

Is there any other vertical shmup that does that?

[Anonymous No.1375117]

>>1374716
Futari?

[Anonymous No.1375538]

>>1374716
R-Type 3