/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1322592]

Isn't it kind of amazing that even 15 years after the game was released, people are still finding content in it?

How come Ocarina of Time has so much unused stuff in it, or removed elements? It's truly odd because early incarnations of the game look absolutely nothing like the final game. Unused stuff in games thread? I feel like old games have a lot more removed content than newer games. They also make for really eerie stuff. Like ten years ago I would lose sleep because I would find some of the stuff in OoT's debug rom really creepy.

[Anonymous No.1322598]

>>1322592
>How come Ocarina of Time has so much unused stuff in it, or removed elements? It's truly odd because early incarnations of the game look absolutely nothing like the final game.

Originally meant to be an N64DD game.

[Anonymous No.1322602]

>>1322598
It really is odd. If you play the game with the N64DD flag, it'll lock up or glitch out a lot because of all the missing content.

I wish Nintendo didn't go for the pre-rendered marketplace and went for the fully-modelled town they had going on instead, even if the buildings were little more than textured boxes.

[Anonymous No.1322832]

>>1322598

Later it was meant to have a 64DD expansion.
And the DD compatibility is still in, the disk just was never released.

[Anonymous No.1322970]

>Like ten years ago I would lose sleep because I would find some of the stuff in OoT's debug rom really creepy.

Tell me about it.

[Anonymous No.1323045]

>>1322970
HELP

[Anonymous No.1323059]

>>1323045
Haha, what is going on there?

[Anonymous No.1323065]

>>1323059
No fucking clue. Pausing the cutscenes in the debug rom results in really weird shit at times.

[Anonymous No.1323232]

Are there any other games with such a massive amount of interesting secrets/glitches/lost content/strange shit as OOT? Super Metroid is like it in the sense of how much you can bend the rules to your will, with a handful of useful glitches, but it's nowhere near the level of OOT and it's depth of obscure things.

[Anonymous No.1323265]

>>1323232
mother 3

[Anonymous No.1323291]

>>1323232
Off the top of my head KOTOR 2 is one, but it's not retro.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles might count as another. Not the same massive amount as OoT but it's still interesting looking at the cut content and piecing together how the game might have been intended to be played if it was just one instead of one + expansion.

[Anonymous No.1323293]

This one's pretty well known, but there are fully functioning Arwing models in OoT.

I hear Wind Waker had a lot of cut content, including full dungeons, which I feel could've helped the game immensely.

[Anonymous No.1323307]

And the unused Great Fairy model, which I like a lot more than the one with pointy tits and vines.
No idea what's up with his shield though - any ideas?

[Anonymous No.1323316]

>>1322592
DID YOU JUST POST THE FUCKING PRINCESS!?

[Anonymous No.1323315]

>>1323307

Woah, that is cool.

[Anonymous No.1323334]

Unicorn fountain that's in place of a regular fairy fountain

[Anonymous No.1323340]

>>1323232
Goldeneye 007 had a ton of cut content that was still on the cartridge.

Hell, recently they found an entire ZX Spectrum emulator hidden within the code.

[Anonymous No.1323348]

>>1323307
Guy's using custom textures, but that is the original model of the Great Fairy. It's default size is fucking huge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiE_gMtJ_Uw

>>1323316
No, that's Aria. She was the original helper in the game that was going to be like Navi, but a person. Her model was upgraded over time and became Malon's model, while her original purpose was given to Navi and Saria. People make a big deal over her, because she was a character in the original builds of the game, but is still in the game's coding.

[Anonymous No.1323356]

There's also an Odd Mushroom you can get as young Link (it's a trade item as adult Link) atop Gerduo Fortress.

[Anonymous No.1323362]

>>1323348
Oh thank god I almost had a heart attack.

[Anonymous No.1323370]

>>1323362
...why?

[Anonymous No.1323374]

>>1323370
Google "if you see her turn off the game", top result. Can't post it since b-spot is a banned URL.

[Anonymous No.1323381]

>>1323045
>>1323065
creepypasta shit right here
this is great, I'm cracking up just looking at this

[Anonymous No.1323385]

>>1323340
>Hell, recently they found an entire ZX Spectrum emulator hidden within the code.
Woah seriously?

[Anonymous No.1323395]

>>1323385
Same emulator was used in DK64 for Jetpac

[Anonymous No.1323408]

>>1323291
The Sonic series in general has to be the king of interesting beta builds and cut content.

[Anonymous No.1323631]

>>1323293
How do you make this appear?

[Anonymous No.1323685]

>>1323631
Gameshark, but there's some unused code that shows it'll come out of trap chests as an error handler if no trap is defined.

[Anonymous No.1323690]

>>1323408
My 2nd favorite was discovering this rideable wrecking ball in Oil Ocean. back then it was only seen in the back of the Sonic 2 box. first favorite was making all those ring boxes in Casino Night

[Anonymous No.1323831]

>>1323307
that shield is the shield from twilight princess, dude either shopped it in or used the texture

[Anonymous No.1323843]

I typed up a bunch of beta info about Zelda 64 that I used to post on /v/ a while ago (around the same time that /vr/ was made). Anyone want me to post it?

[Anonymous No.1323846]

>>1323631
I read if you pull your cartridge up at the right moment when you're opening a chest they can appear.

[Anonymous No.1323851]

>>1323843

Go for it.

[Anonymous No.1323860]

>>1322970
For some reason, OoT is so creepy it's almost impossible. Like the game is actually made by Satan. It just feels so fucking mysterious and I remember feeling that way when I first played it at eight years old.

[Anonymous No.1323861]

>>1323843
yes

[Anonymous No.1323870]

Here's an unused sprite from MSX.

The Metal Slug series in general had a lot of interesting stuff cut out from its games, specifically the fifth one. Many contain functional debug menus as well.

All documentation here: http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/msmia/

[Anonymous No.1323873]

>>1323860
I never got that impression from OoT, but I really got it from Majora's Mask. The whole "Ben Drowned" thing isn't even as weird and creepy as the game itself.

[Anonymous No.1323874]

>>1323870
>Flying Omelette

Man, I haven't been there in YEARS.

[Anonymous No.1323879]

>>1323873
Never played MM so I'll take your word for it

[Anonymous No.1323883]

>>1323860
A lot of that is probably from the... wonky-ness is the only word I can think of to describe the models. Stuff isn't that detailed so your brain fills in the gaps.

[Anonymous No.1323902]

Halflife had a ton of amazing hidden models. I used to spend hours digging through them and imagining what the enemies would be like.

[Anonymous No.1323909]

>>1323883
And the fact that the artstyle is basically nightmare level.

Big ass teeth everywhere, mouths that stretch from ear to ear. It's nightmare caricatures, it's creepypasta the game.

[Anonymous No.1323916]

Sorry, was playing video games. Here we go:

The source for everything I post here is Unseen64.net, The Cutting Room Floor, site archives of ZSO, and other dead sites. If you have any information you want to post, go ahead and post it.

-Originally, for Zelda 64, the game designers started making a bare bones re-make of A Link to the Past, because they had no script to follow, and they didn't know if they wanted Link as a child or adult, what temples to visit, etc.

-There were originally going to be 9 temples for Adult Link. 3 to ease you into the game, 3 that you learn magic spells in, and 3 just plain ol' hard temples. We ended up with 3 dungeons for child Link, and 5 temples for adult Link. The three dungeons for Child Link are completely separate from the proposed 9 temples, but have some recycled content (Dodongo's cavern has some of Turtle Rock's rooms for instance)

[Anonymous No.1323917]

-Originally, the Temple of Time didn't house the Master Sword. It was going to be held in The Hall of Time, which was going to be in Hyrule Castle. You probably would have gotten it during a segment where Ganon takes over the Castle.

-There is exit data suggesting that the Temple of Time was supposed to be in the Sacred Forest Meadow. It's quite possible that after they decided to move the Master Sword to the Temple of Time, it would be located in the Lost Woods, as that was the house of the Master Sword in ALttP. The Temple of Time, along with the Master Sword was also deep in the Lost Woods in TP.

-Originally, OoT underwent a variety of engine changes. In the beginning, there was the A+B era, where you used the B button as one big C-Button and the talk, open, etc. commands, the A button would house your sword, and the C-Buttons would control the Camera ala Super Mario 64. It was too hard to program the camera in though, so eventually we got the A+C design period

[Anonymous No.1323921]

-The A+C design period used the A button as a big C-button, the 3 C-Buttons functioned as they do in the final version, and the B button was your general talk, open, etc. command button, even though the B button never appeared on the HUD. This engine lasted the longest during the development of the whole game

-Near the end design, when Child Link was added, and OoT became what it is today, the engine was updated again. It is the same as what we have now, except the A & B buttons were reversed. The change to what we have now happened just before release.

-Originally, the medallions could be equipped. While it's never explicitly been said what they did, it's assumed that the Forest Medallion (Wind at the time) would act like the Song of Soaring, and Fire Medallion would cast Din's Fire.

-The Forest Temple was going to be an actual forest, instead of being based upon Hyrule Castle like today. If you want an idea of what it would look like, there's beta screen shots of adult Link fighting Gohma in a forest, with a white mist effect not seen elsewhere in the game, and the trees were aranged to make it feel like you were in a room.

-The original Fire Temple. It's located where Turtle Rock was supposed to be, but aside from that, it seems to follow an original design, but with a few of Turtle Rock's rooms thrown in. They're the rooms with the dark, rocky walls. The best example is the long hallway where you get the Boss Key.

-Water Temple? Half of its the original design for the Water Temple, and the other half is the Light Temple. Dark Link was originally the boss of the Light Temple, but got demoted to Water Temple mini boss.

[Anonymous No.1323924]

-The Spirit and Shadow Temples are based on their original designs all the way through. You can actually see a screenshot of a shadow temple from the released game in an early, EARLY alpha screenshot.

-For some temples that became Frankenstein monster temples, the Ice Temple became the Ice Cavern and the Water Temple room in Ganon's Castle. The Wind Temple (at one point, the Sky Temple) became the Forest room in Ganon's Castle. The parts of Hyrule Castle that didn't make it into the Forest Temple became parts of Ganon's castle.

-Completely cut temples? There was originally going to be a Stalfos mansion based temple located in the Lost Woods that was prominently shown in trailers and screen shots. Two rooms of this temple exist in a Debug Rom for Master Quest. As for the 9th temple, it's just assumed that the Swamp Spider House in Majora's Mask was based off it, since the Oceanside Spider House was based off the Stalfos Mansion.

-The script for the game was re-written three times during development. The first script was a quasi-remake of ALttP, and the second one is very similar to the final script, except there were some huge differences, such as Link being born in the city, having a friend named Aria that looks like Malon guide him around, Ganon being evil from the start, and there never being an Ocarina of Time.

-Beneath the Well in the final game houses some cut rooms of the Shadow Temple, but in the beta, it was originally the way to escape Hyrule Castle, kinda like in ALttP

-Originally, there wasn't going to be an Ocarina of Time in Ocarina of Time. The Ocarina was added in a little over half way through development.

[Anonymous No.1323934]

-Reed Grass was how you originally called Epona in the original game. Even in the final copy, there's an untextured model of Reed Grass, very similar to the kind used in TP to call Epona. The grass also shows up equipped to a c-button in some earlier screen shots

-There are some placeholder models still in the game. There are musical notes, a beta Zora knight, and six coins with an N on the front, and they come in all the colours that ruppees do.

-There was a special fairy's fountain that had a unicorn shrine in the middle. Originally, you were supposed to get some sort of sword attack here. It was either the spin attack, or the blade beam. The great fairy was also supposed to be blue and elegant looking, not a freak like in the final version.

-The Blade Beam is still in the final game's coding, and only needs 8 bytes to be changed to activate it in place of the spin attack.

[Anonymous No.1323936]

-You were originally supposed to be able to unfreeze Zora's Domain, the idea was scrapped though.

-The alcove in Zora's Domain doesn't have the proper dimensions to hold a map exit point. It would have probably held a heart piece or small treasure chest if you could unfreeze the domain, unlike popular belief.

-You remember the creepy girl in the forest during the trading quest that you give the mushroom to? Her name is Fado. In the manual, she's the only Kokiri besides Mido and Saria to have names, and she has her own unique model. Her name is also never mentioned in game. She was supposed to be the sage of Wind until her temple got cut.

[Anonymous No.1323940]

-Zelda 64 was originally going to be even bigger than the final game, taking full advantage of the 64DD hardware during development. Hyrule field was going to be covered in trees and vegetation, cliffs, all kinds of stuff. Most of it was cut due to massive FPS drops during the switch off the 64DD, and it all got in Epona's way, making her very hard to control.

-Walk on sand made footprints stay. If you cut up a sign, it would stay cut and on the ground until you repaired it. Even after resetting the console. Every thing you did would stay like it, and only change after time passed, such as waiting for grass to grow, people to buy/make new pots, and repair signs.

-After the 64DD was a confirmed failure, Nintendo decided to release Zelda 64 on a cartridge, and produce a 64DD expansion pack named Ura Zelda. Master Quest was not the true Ura Zelda though.

[Anonymous No.1323943]

-The add-on itself actually got pretty far in terms of work. If you boot up a Japanese v1.0 cart of the game with a 64DD attatched to your N64, the game would refuse to boot, and a warning screen that said (in Japanese) "Disk Read Error. Please power off the Nintendo 64, and make sure the Ura Zelda game disk is inserted correctly into the Nintendo 64 Disk Drive".

-It's possible in every version of the game, with a gameshark, to convert your save to a 64DD compatible one. Remember in Majora's Mask when you save at an owl, and on the right of your save file, there's an owl head on a seperate bar kinda connected to your save? Well it makes your save look exactly like that, except instead of an Owl head, there's the word "DISK". Also, your save is greyed out, and unplayable, uncopyable, and undeletable.

-MODDING TOOLS. You would be able to, on your PC, design new dungeons, and play them through the expansion disk. You would also be able to upload your own temples, and let others download them, kinda like Little Big Planet today. Nintendo would also release bonus temples as time went on. Ura Zelda was also supposed to add in new magic items, magic spells, and regular items. Also, there would be an extended overworld with more towns.

-In OoT's coding, there's data for an enemy Arwing, used to test the Z-Targetting system. Volvagia uses the same coding as the Arwing for how it flys around the boss chamber

[Anonymous No.1323945]

Huzzzzah!

thanks for the histree bro

[Anonymous No.1323953]

-Not visible by any normal means in the game, and only by glitching the camera, you can see into the Iron Knuckle's helmet. Inside is a beta Gerudo head. the Nabooru Iron Knuckle even has a beta Nabooru head in it. OoT3D removes the heads.

-There's an unused cutscene linked to the Temple of Time that flashes to the Sacred Forest Meadow, Death Mountain, and Lake Hylia, giving hints on the first three temple's locations.

There's an unused, VERY beta cutscene linked to Princess Zelda's actor. The weird part about this is that this is the only cutscene linked to an actor, and not a map. (Can't find a video of it right now, will find later)

-The center point of the Hyrule Field model is located inside the Market area, past the entrance, while all other location models have the centers defined at the middle of the room or near the entrance. the Market was originally going to be in the middle of Hyrule Field, like most other Zelda games.

THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR NOW HOPE YOU ENJOYED IT

[Anonymous No.1323958]

>>1323943
I wonder if it's possible for a fan made romhack that restores as much of the Ura Zelda content as possible, like the Sonic 3 Complete project.

[Anonymous No.1323967]

>>1323860
The N64 itself feels like that to me. The fact that it is so complex that it can't be properly emulated just adds to the creepiness.

[Anonymous No.1323968]

>>1323958
I remember there were a few such projects at one time or another. Not sure what became of them.

[Anonymous No.1323969]

>>1323953
Oh, and the cutscene bound to Zelda's actor is probably the oldest cutscene that was left in the game. It just shows the Triforce in an empty, black map, and wasn't translated out of Japanese. The script is a very barebones and early version of Zelda's story about the triforce.

>>1323958
There's been a LOT of projects that try to do that, but the teams always disband because of inter drama (which is usually someone sperging out on what should or shouldn't be considered beta or cut content, or someone trying to interject their own special snowflake fanfics in.)

[Anonymous No.1324058]

>>1323307
Looks like a fairy demon from Nocturne

[Anonymous No.1324127]

>>1323969
Well, /v/? What the fuck are you waiting for?
Go make Ura Zelda.

[Anonymous No.1324159]

>>1323232
Final Fantasy VII had tons of shit in it

http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-the-original/final-fantasy-vii-the-unused-text-series/

[Anonymous No.1324173]

>>1323953
thank you anon

[Anonymous No.1324207]

>>1323860

Maybe because you didn't play many games as a kid and therefore it being also 3D it felt mysterious and new to you.
I played it when I was 14 after playing PC for many years and SNES and the Megadrive, and I simply found it a great beautiful game.

[Anonymous No.1324216]

>>1323232
RE2 for sure, it practically had a near complete game canned near release.

>you will never fight raging zombie gorillas

[Anonymous No.1324217]

>>1323940
>-Walk on sand made footprints stay. If you cut up a sign, it would stay cut and on the ground until you repaired it. Even after resetting the console. Every thing you did would stay like it, and only change after time passed, such as waiting for grass to grow, people to buy/make new pots, and repair signs.

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING

[Anonymous No.1324225]

>>1324216

Not gorillas, but Resident Evil Zero has zombie monkeys.

Shit was fucking bizarre as hell.

[Anonymous No.1324229]

>>1324216
...you DO know there's a leaked prototype of it, right? Complete with zombie gorillas.

[Anonymous No.1324251]

>>1324229
It's not finished nor is it the same version as the 90% complete prototype.

[Anonymous No.1324253]

>>1323232
The Legacy of Kain series has a bunch of stuff that had to be cut to make the release dates/because the publisher wanted more sequels. There's a whole website dedicated to cut content from LoK. http://www.thelostworlds.net/

There was a chess minigame in Blood Omen that got cut. Someone found a new area of the world within the last couple of years in the process of making a source port, as well.

Soul Reaver was originally going to close out the series and have a very definite ending. Bits of cutscenes and dialogue of alternate late-game scenarios are still on the disc. Some inaccessible areas of the game seem to be parts of the cut story portions or passageways that would connect to them. A number of different elemental abilities are available through cheats/trainers but not unlockable by any means in the actual game.

[Anonymous No.1324258]

>>1324251
...it still has zombie gorillas, though.

[Anonymous No.1324312]

>>1324159
>tfw there are no recent games with locations in it similar to Midgar

[Anonymous No.1324347]

>>1323969
I can see that. OoT is a sensitive subject for some people, and deciding what is 'appropriate' for cut content is important. I'd say that you should find whatever seems most complete and put that in. Plus anything that you can find source for being said to be intended, like that whole footprints in the sand thing that Miyamoto talked about once.

[Anonymous No.1324579]

>>1323943
>You would be able to, on your PC, design new dungeons, and play them through the expansion disk. You would also be able to upload your own temples, and let others download them, kinda like Little Big Planet today.

This sounds too bad ass.

Ever think we might get a Zelda with these features? We have the technology and resources to do all this on the Wii U tablet.

[Anonymous No.1324594]

>>1322598
>Originally meant to be an N64DD game.

I know that, but it just doesn't even make sense, because the disks were only capable of holding 64 MB. That's the largest cartridge size ever produced for N64 (RE2 and Conker)

[Anonymous No.1324608]

>>1324594
uhh....
>CD storage can hold at least approximately 650 megabytes (MB) of information, compared to the Nintendo 64's cartridge which ranges from 4 to 64 MB.
Source is Wikipedia, but still.

[Anonymous No.1324621]

>>1322592
Tomashii Hiroka's series on Alpha and Beta stuff throughout the pokemon games is pretty fascinating imo, it's almost autistically comprehensivve as well.

The most interesting thing she touches upon is the idea of the missing Gen 1 pokemon, and her speculations as to what they probably were.

Here's the first vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7M5KAfYWA&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLz5XeL444xPBcW60BiZF-ATzVS2lwVnoH

[Anonymous No.1324627]

>>1324608
64DD disk != Compact Disc
I don't know what the 64DD's maximum storage capacity was, nor if it had additional hardware to power the game, but you're way off if you think it was going to use CD for storage.

[Anonymous No.1324638]

>>1324159
>http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-the-original/final-fantasy-vii-the-unused-text-series/

And that's before you even go into the Aeris shit. If you use a gameshark to keep her after she dies, she has extra snippets of character-specific dialogue later on in the game.

This obviously fuelled rumours that you could bring her back, but the most likely theory is that in actual fact she was supposed to die a bit later in the game

[Anonymous No.1324639]

>>1324627
Oh, that's what I get for skimming.
Anyways, it could double the content, if not more seeing as you have to use both the cartridge and the disc to play.

[Anonymous No.1324642]

The advantage of the DD disks were the price, not storage capacity.

[Anonymous No.1324654]

>>1324639
Yes, but the original plan was for OoT to be a disk-only game as far as I know. The game pak + disk thing came later. Since 64DD disks were cheaper to make, they could presumably have afforded making a larger game, or even making it a multi-disk game if there was a clever way to go about separating the content to avoid frequent swapping. I don't know if they were even able to make 64MB game paks that early, so that may also have been a reason for them wanting to go with the 64DD.

[Anonymous No.1324672]

>>1323265
christ, that planned Masked Man fight. the ending was mentioned to be so cruel that the creator had to change it.

[Anonymous No.1324785]

>>1324672
What was it going to be like?

[Anonymous No.1324797]

>>1323916
>>1323917
>>1323921

great stuff man

[Anonymous No.1324803]

>>1323936

Alcove in Zora's Domain? Where?

[Anonymous No.1324805]

>>1324579
there is a tool that does this called Hylian Toolbox, many people make playable maps and post them online for free.

And I recall someone re-creating Ura Zelda and adding his own stuff in as well (which I thought most was really awesome) but he went ob hiatus in may/June last year. posting some pics of concepts

[Anonymous No.1324807]

I have a bunch of pics from Zelda beta and history/theories but they're pretty common. ill post them if people want

[Anonymous No.1324815]

>>1324805
one version of darkworld

[Anonymous No.1324817]

what i hate about oot is that it just feels so incomplete. you can tell it was really rushed.

[Anonymous No.1324819]

[Anonymous No.1324824]

>>1323969
>which is usually someone sperging out on what should or shouldn't be considered beta or cut content, or someone trying to interject their own special snowflake fanfics in
Worst. Fanbase. Ever.
Seriously the more I learn about it the more I hate it.

[Anonymous No.1324826]

>>1324819
That's a common practice for game companies. Most times the tech demo doesn't reflect the final product and is more a poc.

The reason they used assets from the beta? Laziness. They ha a perfectly good texture already an swapped it to differentiate the two games.

[Anonymous No.1324828]

>>1324815

[Anonymous No.1324832]

>>1324828

[Anonymous No.1324840]

>>1323045
Holy shit, as someone with mild hydrophobia this creeps me right the fuck out

[Anonymous No.1324842]

gosh darnit. I hate beta stuff like this because it makes me crave to see what the game could have been, even if it may have actually been worse than the final product. Worsened by the fact that Beta OoT looks like it would have been a significantly larger game.

[Anonymous No.1324848]

>>1324832

[Anonymous No.1324853]

Early screenshot showing a Ocarina symbol on the pedestal.

[Anonymous No.1324854]

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[Anonymous No.1324859]

[Anonymous No.1324860]

If you peeps are into cut content from games, there is a HUGE documentation of tons of games at "The Cutting Room Floor" (just google it).

[Anonymous No.1324862]

>>1324859

fucking towelheads

[Anonymous No.1324863]

The best thing to come out of Gamtrailers is Pop Fiction. Think of it as vidya Mythbusters. Not all episodes are /vr/ but most are.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL15C9269E19F61DF6

[Anonymous No.1324868]

>>1324862
Actually, the image i posted contains disinfo as Nintendo replaced the content once they found out themselves what they were up to.

[Anonymous No.1324894]

>>1324842

woah that is fucking cool

[Anonymous No.1324898]

>>1324894

[Anonymous No.1324901]

>>1324859
>music was removed due to Muslims

Pop-Fiction disproved this. They found out the music was removed even before the game was released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgDgGrfTjP8

[Anonymous No.1324907]

Muslims are still the worst kind of people.

[Anonymous No.1324912]

>>1324898

looks like malon. and reminds me of quest 64

[Anonymous No.1324913]

>>1324901
Yes.

[Anonymous No.1324938]

>>1324216
I remember checking and finding some unseen content of re 1.5 in one of the alpha for re 2 using some .tim viewer program.
Posted them on bioflames long time ago and a lot a people claimed they had never seen it.
>mfw I've lost the re2 alpha iso and the files when my hdd died

[Anonymous No.1324948]

>>1324901
but, in the end, they did still change it because of mudslimes, and maybe a little because it wasn't theirs

[Anonymous No.1324960]

>>1324901
>mfw I have a grey 1.1

may be better if it were the gold.. but I keep the chants and red blood and get the big fixes

[Anonymous No.1324974]

>>1324960
You lose a few useful glitches that aren't in 1.0

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/generalknowledge/version-differences

[Anonymous No.1325052]

>>1324621
For those who don't want to sit thorough those videos, I'll summarize what I can remember from a few years back.

>The games were in development since 1990.
>APE was converted into Creatures, who own a third of Pokémon. They developed Mother 1 and Earthbound. The enemies in those two games are similar to some Gen I/II Pokémon and even some of the newer ones.
>255 Pokémon were intended. When development really started, that number was scaled down to about 190, and then scaled down again.
>You were going to use a skateboard instead of a bike.
>At some point, there was a possible scenario where you had no usable Pokémon. Be it all your available Pokémon fainted or you were unarmed, you would encounter Pokémon/Trainers with different music. This music was unsettling and found in Yellow. But some sources say that it was meant for a minigame with Pikachu.
>On the Pokémon themselves, Gen II's Pokémon were leftovers from Gen I. Ho-Oh appears in the anime before Gen II was even hinted at/announced. Crobat's cry can even be heard if you have MissingNo. in your party when you beat Blue during the Hall of Fame roll call.
>What some of them were? Heracross is a likely candidate. It'd make sense to pair it with Pinsir, right? It was intended to be an evo but was revised. Another possible candidate is Crobat, whose cry is in Gen I's games. Kingdra is another, as it'd make sense when you take into consideration why Seadra is the Dragon Pokémon. Ho-Oh is likely another one along with Lugia, for its connection with the bird trio.
>Speaking of birds, the Bird-Type was another feature. This was likely for some Pokémon based on birds, who could fly. But with Gyarados and others being Flying-Types, this proved to be complicated. Even now, triple typings are too complex.

[Anonymous No.1325069]

>>1325052
I always thought Gyarados was meant to be a dragon type pokemon.

[Anonymous No.1325083]

>>1325052
>Notice how Heracross and Teddiursa love honey? Honey was meant to appear in Gen II. They instead waited until IV to implement it into the games. You probably weren't going to just headbutt trees for Pokémon. Honey would make sense as well.
>The Lass was intended as a player trainer, going by the name of Blue. Not Green, but Blue. Remember, Green version was first in Japan.
>Mew was intentionally hidden by Tajiri by the dev team. You could eventually gain it in Japan but in America, glitches had to be exploited to obtain it. I don't remember, but I believe before Gold/Silver, you finally were able to get Mew in an event tied to Yellow in the west.
>Rhydon is the first Pokémon ever created. Notice how the substitutes/statues all over resemble it? Some say the subs resemble an infant Kangaskhan as well and I agree. It's also likely that Rhyhorn was added for balance reasons.
>The original concept for Pokémon was Capsule Monsters. They couldn't trademark the name so it was dropped. Slowbro was shown in a picture with a different shell and Gastly's original design was also featured, which made it into Red/Blue/Green.
>English names were intended to be different. Lapras was Ness, Gyarados was Skullkraken, and Kakuna was Kokoon. Koffing and Weezing were NY and LA, respectively.
>The designs seems strange in Red/Blue/Green, don't they? Well, those were the original envisions of them. Some of them were retweaked for the anime and they became the definitive versions for them. Even Gen III's Pokémon have had some minor revisions as well.
>On that note, there's a Pokémon that's a mix of Latias and Blaziken. A girl is riding it. She looks similar to Kris, probably hinting that it was meant for Gen II, as a legendary. It got split up into the two mentioned for Gen III. While not related to Gen II, Torchic had flaps on its head originally.

I'll dump some pictures along with more information.

[Anonymous No.1325118]

>>1325069
I think the Dragon-Type was added late into development. Kinda like an endgame type, if you would. Your flamethrowers and bubblebeams weren't going to do much to them. However, you only had one move and it did fixed damage. You had Ice-Types, but they were just as obscure. Hell, pure Grass-Types were rare until Gen II.
>Some Gen III Pokémon may have been intended for Gen II. Latiaken, as stated was seen with the blue-haired girl and you had Wynaut and Azurill. Now why would these two be the only Pokémon with connections to past Pokémon? Gen II was probably meant to have even more Pokémon. 100 is a small number.
>Going on that, Iwata personally compressed Gold/Silver's data. GameFreak aren't the best of coders, as seen with Gen I. With that space, they added a watered-down Kanto because they had so much space left over.
>The localizers wanted to change the designs for Gen I's Pokémon. Considering how off-put people are with newer Pokémon's designs, I can only imagine how that would have went.
>Some of concept art for Gen II showed some Pokémon. One was a Fire-Type mouse. When you take into consideration that Marill was a Water-Type, it may have been intended to make it a trio with Pikachu. Marill was also pink originally. Some other ones were Girafarig with two front bodies, a smaller Chikorita, one that looks like Hitmontop, Tyranitar, a turtle which looks like a more detailed version of Shuckle and a Pokémon named Kurusu. From its appearance, it may have been intended to be Lapras' pre-evo.
>Speaking of trios, Jynx, Electabuzz and Magmar all got pre-evos in Gen II, lined up in the same position together. Because of the controversy with Jynx, it's likely that GameFreak wanted to avoid anything to do with the line and kept it alone. Note how Magby and Elekid's lines were completed in Gen IV but not Smoochum? They also all had access to their respective elemental punch and could utilize them unlike Hitmonchan, who knew all three.

[Anonymous No.1325169]

>>1325118
>In an interview, Sugimori stated that the design team puts out twice the amount of Pokémon they release for the games. With what we know from Gen I/II, it's likely that there are some Pokémon only now revealed that were alongside Rhydon and Lapras.
>Genders were likely a planned feature. Nidoran is probably the end result of what they could get to work at the time.
>Another old pictures shows Weedle's line with a beetle as the final form, a scaled Dragonair and Poliwag's line. The scaled Dragonair could have been an alternate design or even an evo. The Poliwag line has a bigger Poliwhirl with a crown and closed eyes. The crown would be used for Slowking and Politoed. Those two may have been planned Gen I Pokémon, but the latter was reworked into Poliwrath and Politoed came in resembling an actual frog in Gen II. The beetle resembles a beta picture of Ledyba, which stood upright and had angry eyes.
>On bugs, the concept for Pokémon alone was inspired by Tajiri's love for catching bugs as a kid. This is why the Bug Catcher along with Bug-Types in general are prominent early on.

Overall, I think that's it. It's been a while and I'm not able to find my original retelling on this subject, but most of it is plausible to an extent.

[Anonymous No.1325172]

>>1323232

Serious Sam has a ridiculous amount of cut and unused content.
Initially the game was supposed to be stand-alone and MUCH larger. It would've taken place on various worlds with different themes like an ice planet, a lava planet, a forest world, a city in the sky, Egypt of course and in the end you would've actually fought Mental who was supposed to be a brain in a jar.
The secret level Moon Mountain is a leftover from the forest world which explains the vastly different environment, consisting of green hills in the background and conifers and three of the cut Egypt stages were released like a decade later as the DLC "Legend of the Beast".
Cut weapons included the Ghost Buster which would've shot a continuous energy ray, Duke Nukem 3D-style pipebombs and a gun that shoots lava rocks.
there are over a dozen cut out enemies like the Fishman who would've stolen your armor and ammo (the model was reused and redesigned for SS2 and a reference to its origin can be found in its description), various types of golems and a mammoth-like enemy with a rider on it.

[Anonymous No.1325175]

>>1325169

[Anonymous No.1325179]

>>1325175

[Anonymous No.1325180]

>>1325083
Mew was actually the first.

It was trademarked years before anything and that trademark came around the time of the original mother game.Which makes sense if you know how creatures started.

[Anonymous No.1325181]

>>1325179

[Anonymous No.1325185]

>>1325180
Also true, I overlooked that.

[Anonymous No.1325186]

>>1325185
No worries, I hope you have more of these.

Love how rough these are

[Anonymous No.1325190]

>>1325185
Notice the whip the Gastly's trainer uses? Cooltrainers and Rocket members along with Sabrina used them in Gen I. Whips were never seen again afterwards.

[Anonymous No.1325192]

>>1325186
I do too.

>>1325190

[Anonymous No.1325195]

>>1325192
Is that on the top left the gamefreak magazine?

Can you still get any originals anywhere?

[Anonymous No.1325197]

>>1325195
top right***

[Anonymous No.1325204]

>>1325192
I'm gonna dump the Bandai cards next. They have the original designs in color.

[Anonymous No.1325208]

>>1325195
Looks like it. I don't know if you can. You'd have to ask someone in Japan that.

>>1325204

[Anonymous No.1325209]

>>1325204
These are so expressive. When did they force sugiyama to make everything happy?

[Anonymous No.1325215]

>>1325208

[Anonymous No.1325218]

>>1325209
When Pokemon became more than "niche gimmick Japanese RPG game #468143" and started getting worldwide popularity, necessitating a more homogenous look to appeal to as many cultures as possible. Just look at the retards who still think Jynx is an embarrassing racial stereotype.

[Anonymous No.1325227]

>>1325209
The anime got popular. Moreso, in America the anime was more known by the general public than the game. It didn't help that Yellow was soon releasing in Japan. I love the original designs and think that the anime's meddling prevented a potential split that was scary creatures in the games, happy animals in the anime. Or what >>1325218 said.

Read Pokémon Adventures or any of the manga relating to Pokémon for Tajiri's original envisioning.

>>1325215

[Anonymous No.1325232]

>>1325227

[Anonymous No.1325234]

>>1325232

[Anonymous No.1325237]

>>1325234

[Anonymous No.1325240]

>>1325237

[Anonymous No.1325246]

>>1325240

[Anonymous No.1325247]

> How come Ocarina of Time has so much unused stuff in it, or removed elements?

Because it is fuckhuge.

Also quake started out as a medieval RPG.

[Anonymous No.1325254]

>>1325246

[Anonymous No.1325257]

>>1325254

[Anonymous No.1325258]

>>1325246
>There is nothing inside golem.

WTF

[Anonymous No.1325262]

>>1325257

[Anonymous No.1325265]

>>1323065
NOW NEITHER OF US WILL BE VIRGINS

[Anonymous No.1325269]

>>1325262

[Anonymous No.1325272]

>>1325269

[Anonymous No.1325278]

Seeing cut content makes me feel sad.

[Anonymous No.1325279]

>>1325269
Years later khanga pup would actually get to hit something with her fists.

[Anonymous No.1325281]

>>1325272

[Anonymous No.1325287]

>>1325281

[Anonymous No.1325292]

>>1325287
And that is that.
I've got more of what I mentioned in my other posts, but I've got some things to take care of. I'll be back before you know it.

[script writer kibe No.1325301]

>>1325052
>>1325083
>>1325118
>>1325169
>>1325175
>>1325179
>>1325181
>>1325185
>>1325190
>>1325192
God, now I really wish somebody would try and recreate the beta and alpha versions

>>1325204
>>1325208
>>1325215
>>1325227
>>1325232
>>1325234
>>1325237
>>1325240
>>1325246
>>1325254
>>1325257
>>1325262
>>1325269
Thanks for reminding me of how badly I want to get the original Bandai Yugioh cards....

>>1325209
>These are so expressive
Finally, somebody who fucking agrees with me! Because all I've been hearing for years was that they were supposed to look that way. Personally I prefer them as monsters, not cute, anime cuddly creatures. And this isn't even a "mature content for mature people such as myself" thing either, they just look much more creative and unique in Red, Green, and Blue than they do in later interations

[Anonymous No.1325297]

>>1325292
I never even thought about dragonites "feelers" were intended to be used as an attack mechanism.

Also that dragonaire soul. He's going to be disappointed in a few levels.

[Anonymous No.1325314]

>>1325301
My main issue with the original designs is that the gen 1 sprites looked like dogshit, but now that they have better graphics it'd be cool to see the original designs back.

[Anonymous No.1325320]

Village of Outcasts: http://youtu.be/LweaB216Z7o?t=24m34s

[script writer kibe No.1325323]

>>1325314
Sadly I doubt that'll happen, everyone is too used to the generic moe blob style of things with the current games

[Anonymous No.1325327]

>>1325301
Yeah well, we do have to bend to the whims of kid pandering.

It's just how it turned out really.

[Anonymous No.1325332]

>>1325320
>Village of Outcasts

Also known as 4chan Village.

[Anonymous No.1325352]

Ura Zelda produced for the DD should be released!


If the wiki information is correct, it was almost completely finished.

[Anonymous No.1325357]

>You will never visit Nintendo's secret safe of beta games

[Anonymous No.1325361]

>>1325352
They'd probably make a bunch of money releasing it on the Virtual Console. Enough to more than make up for the costs of finalizing it.

[script writer kibe No.1325367]

>>1325357
I sort of hope they're kept in well maintained condition, but I'm envisioning them being thrown into a cellar with leaky pipes and slowly collecting mold and dust

[Anonymous No.1325372]

>>1325367
>They are in places that look like 1-2 in SMB

[Anonymous No.1325374]

The one thing I miss about old Pokemon is just how dynamic their poses were. Like almost all mons these days are just in a neutral pose and it makes them look boring. The art style itself doesn't really bother me though, because let's face it, Pokemon has always cribbed from anime art. Now it's just 00s art instead of 90s art.

[Anonymous No.1325375]

>>1325367
They're in well enough condition that cut content from Ocarina of Time was being put into Twilight Princess. Hell, Iwata said that they didn't recreate all the cut content of Wind Waker into Wind Waker HD because everything was recycled into TP and Skyward Sword. Do you know how much content was cut from Wind Waker? Enough to make a whole game.

[Anonymous No.1325376]

>>1325367
Nah, I strongly doubt it. Even smaller companies like Rare are known to preciously keep all their old games, so I'd expect Nin biggest-motherfucker-on-the-vidya-market tendo to keep their shit locked up tight.

[Anonymous No.1325381]

>>1325375
So instead of giving the game the two dungeons it needs we get a bloom effect.

t-thanks anouma.

[Anonymous No.1325382]

Kind of offtopic, but has anyone here played OOT romhacks? Voyager of Time & Zelda's Birthday are the only two I know that have been released.

[Anonymous No.1325383]

>>1325382
There is a decent tool to modify the game. The problem is most can't be arsed to master it.

[Anonymous No.1325389]

>>1324856

[Anonymous No.1325393]

>>1325376
And then there's the companies who treat their data so poorly they lose it all and when they want to remake one of their most popular games they have to remake it from scratch.

THAT'S RIGHT SQUARE-ENIX, I'M FUCKING LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU.

[Anonymous No.1325396]

>>1325389
I remember the day we found that rom. Then the day that patch came out to fix the map header to make the other room load. I don't think I'll ever forget it.

[Anonymous No.1325406]

>>1325375
Is there an article about this?

[Anonymous No.1325441]

>>1323316
>>1323374
Eh, 4/10, ending was mildly interesting but overall it dragged on and you can tell he is trying just a little too hard.

[Anonymous No.1325449]

>>1325406
About what Iwata said, or all the cut content from Wind Waker?

[Anonymous No.1325467]

>>1325449
Reusing of cut materials, and what some of the cut stuff was.

[Anonymous No.1325485]

>>1325467
It was in an Iwata Asks article.

[Anonymous No.1325545]

>>1323293
The Arwing was just there to test out Z Targeting, they were never meant to actually have a part in the finished game.

[Anonymous No.1325572]

>>1325375
Figures. Wind Waker feels incredibly incomplete.

[Anonymous No.1325575]

>>1324608
Are you autistic?
The 64DD would have used floppy discs, not compact discs.

[Anonymous No.1325594]

I still don't understand all of this 'cut' content. Why couldn't it have been used? Having unused content stored on the cartridge cannot possibly save any space.

[Anonymous No.1325609]

>>1325594

Things rarely get deleted, instead they opt to just make it inaccessible in-game. If you delete large portions of code it could make part of the game unstable, so it's not always practical unless they really need space.

[Anonymous No.1325624]

>>1325609
>OOT is held together by skeletons of beta content
64 bits of spooky

[Anonymous No.1325635]

>>1324859
I always have to play the gold cart version. The other one doesn't feel like OoT to me.

[Anonymous No.1325641]

>>1325624

In a lot of ways it's true. As mentioned earlier in this thread, when an idea for a dungeon was scrapped the devs would just take what was already made from that dungeon and combine it into other places of the game. That's why some areas don't entirely make sense like the forest temple have elements from the wind temple.

[Anonymous No.1325648]

>>1325635
Oddly enough, I agree with you, although I've played the PAL version for the longest time. Seeing a cool description of a glitch or oddity on the internet and being unable to perform it always gave me the feeling I was playing the "wrong" version.

[Anonymous No.1325656]

>>1325265
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.1325669]

>>1325258
Maybe he's using self destruct?

[Anonymous No.1325680]

>>1324960
That's even more rare than the gold ones.

[Anonymous No.1325687]

>>1325680
Ironically, gold carts sell for more.

[Anonymous No.1325717]

>>1325594
"Hey, the deadline is next month."
"But I haven't finished this temple! I only have four rooms!"
"Fuck it. Put them in the other dungeon. Put a rock where you were supposed to get in."

As for why it was left in, it's easier to leave it laying around than it is to make it inaccessible. They were probably using and reusing stuff all throughout development, so it never made sense to remove something entirely--and if they did remove something, it was probably to make space for something else.

[Anonymous No.1325726]

>widescreen hack
disgusting

[Anonymous No.1325729]

>>1323953
I'm pretty sure nabooru's head is still in the 3ds iron knuckles.

[Anonymous No.1325730]

>>1325726
byuu please go

[Anonymous No.1325734]

>>1325726
muh accuracy

[Anonymous No.1325735]

>>1325734
MUH ACCURACY

[Anonymous No.1325739]

>>1325737
Shit, can you even emulate scanline on an N64 emulator?

[Anonymous No.1325737]

>>1325735
> No scanlines
0/10 pleb tastes

[Anonymous No.1325742]

>>1325737
fixed

[Anonymous No.1325747]

>>1325742
Guessing you're the guy that took the original screenshots for the wiki?

[Anonymous No.1325746]

>>1325739
You bet your ass you can.

[Anonymous No.1325750]

>>1325747
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.1325751]

>>1325734
>>1325735
Muh buggy emulator

[Anonymous No.1325754]

>>1325751
Get on my level.

[Anonymous No.1325759]

>>1325751
>>1325754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM8K-w3gK3I

[Anonymous No.1325771]

>>1324803
When you enter via the waterfall, there's a small island in the water to your left.
Down at the bottom of the water, there's a little cave of sorts in the wall of this platform, just out of reach of the Gold Scale's diving ability.
For years and years people speculated about that little alcove, but in the end it was nothing.

[Anonymous No.1325790]

>>1325751
Is it a poorly coded N64 emulator?

[Anonymous No.1325835]

>>1324803
I remember a small cave you can access only by wearing the iron boots as a child. i got there glitching my way through the lake as adult. Now that i remember some, i think hovering hookshot glitch was involved.

[Anonymous No.1325843]

>>1325393
Really?
Because I thought you were looking at Sega.

[Anonymous No.1325851]

>>1325843
I've been wondering how bad this actually is? I know it's using the sonic advance engine.

[Anonymous No.1325853]

>>1325729
Nope. Gone.

[Anonymous No.1325857]

>>1325851
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Genesis

Now read:
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_GBA

[Anonymous No.1325865]

Hey, I'm back!
>>1325301
>>1325314
I'm going to say this about the designs. I will defend newer gens with ferocity and I'll say that what people are saying about newer designs can be said with Gen I. When that anime came and revised the designs, that was when things became cute. Not Gen IV with the baby Pokémon, the anime. Even the starters, which are considered cute were monster-like, dangerous even. So when people say the new designs suck, they don't know shit. If it's of any comfort to you, Sugimori said he wanted to go back to the 'simplistic' style in Gen VII. I don't really go for it, but if he goes to the style of those cards, then I'm all for it. I don't hate any Gen. Even my least favorite, Gen II isn't that bad at all.

>>1325374
This is true as well. Though some Gen V Pokémon have some of that personality lost.

Anyway, here's Kurusu. One look at it and it possibly looks like it could have been Lapras' pre-evo.

[Anonymous No.1325871]

>>1325865
Pink Marill.

[Anonymous No.1325873]

>>1325871
This looks like an early sketch of Hitmontop. And it shows.

[Anonymous No.1325875]

>>1325873
Silver with an angry, bipedal Ledyba.

[Anonymous No.1325883]

>>1325875
Latiaken with Kris. Her outfit is strange as well. Celebi was known to travel through time. Could this have been one of the Pokémon you could encounter in the past?

[Anonymous No.1325902]

>>1325883
Here's the recent one that popped up. It showed Weedle with a different design, but the second and third forms are vastly different. More cartoony than Kakuna and Beedrill. The second one is Poliwag and Poliwhirl. The two are mostly the same but Poliwrath looks like a king, large and wealthy. The crown sticks out the most. And finally the Dragonair-like Pokémon. Was this an alternate design or an intended final form for it? It's pretty enticing.

[Anonymous No.1325907]

>>1325883
Out of the original 255 proposed pokemon, Latios was cut back to G/S, then cut back to R/S. In R/S, it was split into three Pokemon. Latios & Latias, and Blaziken.

[Anonymous No.1325908]

>>1325902

Are those early sprite designs? That's so cool.

[Anonymous No.1325910]

>>1325902
This isn't really beta art, but it's interesting as it shows some alternate designs. Here's Slowbro with some alternate Shellder designs.

[Anonymous No.1325917]

>>1325907
I forget about Latios. I guess they wanted to pair Latias up with it. They WERE featured in a film prior to Gen III, right? I didn't see that one. And the two having unique genders hold water, too.

This one is with Arbok's belly patterns. We did get these, with R/S/E having a different pattern. At least there's that.

[Anonymous No.1325920]

>>1325917
This one is with Lapras and Poliwhirl. Nothing noteworthy but Poliwhirl's internal organs and bones. It also proves Pokémon wore/wear clothes.

[Anonymous No.1325921]

>>1325920
Lastly, this is Doduo. It looks like it's bare. But it's hard to tell.

[Anonymous No.1325925]

>>1325921
Dah, fuck me.

[Anonymous No.1325943]

>>1325925
And that's all I have. Thank you for your time.

[Anonymous No.1325956]

>>1325297
Dragonaire's using Dragon Rage, and Dragonite is using Destruction Beam / Hyper Beam.

[Anonymous No.1325969]

>>1325314
Reason why they looked so awkward, especially Green's graphics, was due to a combination of early designs (look at the prior card sets linked in the post you responded) and a proper lack of reference. Considering there was limited reference art, how the Pokemon themselves were designed, and the fact that GameFreak's employees had little experience with anything, it could've been worse.

[Anonymous No.1325973]

Given that the N64 is pretty primitive now these days, wouldn't it be pretty easy for a modder to try and recreate the missing DD content for Ocarina?

[Anonymous No.1325981]

http://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor

Wiki specifically for unused and cut content from games.

[Anonymous No.1325989]

>>1325759
>those comments
>vsauce
>literally a channel kicked up by "serious" /v/ people and their culture

[Anonymous No.1326003]

>>1325973
It might be primitive, but it doesn't mean it'll be easy. Back in 1996, when it was first made, it was considered to be a difficult console to work with. It even makes DA POWAH OF DA CELL look like Game Maker.

[Anonymous No.1326018]

>>1325052
Just to let you know, one of the guys at Gamefreak said Ho-Oh was never planned to be in Gen 1.

It's in an Iwata Asks.

[Anonymous No.1326027]

>>1325917
I think the idea was that each pattern on the Arbok corresponded to certain abilities/stats, but abilities and different forms (outside of Unown) weren't really implemented until R/S/E as you said. It's kind of funny that some of the systems they wanted to do but couldn't due to limitations were eventually implemented later on in the series.

[Anonymous No.1326031]

>>1326027
I prefer Fire Red version because it seems like those are the definitive pokemon game, it has everything the first gen games had plus most of the planned stuff like abilities and gender.

[Anonymous No.1326046]

>>1326027
I think it's more to do with the fact that GameFreak had some really incompetent programmers. All abilities are are just variables you can set, nothing deeper than that. A video game console from 1989 can certainly support such a thing, only reason it was present in the newer games is because those systems are much easier to develop for. Even so, a feature that was introduced in Gen IV could've been possible as early as Gen 1, since that too is just a variable. It's just that GameFreak is too incompetent for anything.

[Anonymous No.1326049]

>>1324901

It's only a coincidence that the things that were specifically removed were affiliated with Islam. sure

[Anonymous No.1326063]

>>1326018
Was it a recent one? If so, fine and well. It still doesn't help it was shown during Gen I, making people think it was in the games.

>>1326027
Funny enough, Spinda has 7 Billion patterns alone. Again, GameFreak aren't the best of programmers. If you thought Gen I was buggy, imagine what Green owners went through. Blue supposedly fixed some glitches Green had.

[Anonymous No.1326078]

>>1323307

Why would they replace that model with the pointy tit fairy?

[Anonymous No.1326090]

>>1325902
Weedle's early evolutions look a lot like the Violent Roach from Earthbound. I also heard the rumor that Mewtwo's design was based around Giegue/Giygas appearance in Mother 1, is that true?

[Anonymous No.1326092]

>>1326078
it is a mystery

[Anonymous No.1326095]

>>1325314
The funny thing about RGB's sprites is that they were made by people who actually had less experience making sprites than the average DeviantArt user. I've seen a lot of people defend them mainly based on their uniqueness, which is true, but at their core they're really just bad sprites.

[Anonymous No.1326104]

>>1323940
>Every thing you did would stay like it, and only change after time passed, such as waiting for grass to grow, people to buy/make new pots,
>The grass was supposed to be a limited Resource

That explains so fucking much.

[Anonymous No.1326116]

>>1326078
A lot of people feel the pointy tit one is more nature-y which is more fairy like. More earthy.
Still like the other one better.

[Anonymous No.1326123]

>>1326063
>some glitches
Dude, in Green you could swap a Pokemon with an item, causing the warp points on the map to shit themselves and take you to random locations.

[Anonymous No.1326138]

>>1326090
well it's the same designer, so probably.

[Anonymous No.1326139]

>>1325381
Bloom effect and more refined bits of gameplay like faster sailing and they cut the triforce quest down from shit filler.

WWHD does a whole lot more than most people give it credit for. I feel they mention bloom becaes it's the most apparent' IT still looks gorgeous. Even better than the roginal IMO.

[Anonymous No.1326145]

>>1325790
Get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.1326149]

>>1326123
What? Come the fuck on, GameFreak.
That anime was probably for the best. Damn the lost designs, I'll take cuter and softer over bankruptcy.

[Anonymous No.1326165]

>>1326090
There are other ones based on non pokemon game designs so likely.

[Anonymous No.1326174]

>>1326149
The worst part is, even though Red/Green had a 5-year development cycle and was nearly cancelled multiple times, nobody at GameFreak ever thought to check for that bug.

But that doesn't beat Gen I Focus Energy. It's supposed to increase the critical hit ratio by 50%, but actually decreases it by 75% because they used the wrong fucking bit shift operation in the code. And they didn't catch it until Gen II.

[Anonymous No.1326179]

>>1325545
Wasn't it there because it was a placeholder for Volvagia or something?

[Anonymous No.1326180]

>>1326174
I got that picture right here. and that shit is hilarious. And people call me crazy for saying the anime didn't drive the franchise to being the juggernaut it is today.

[Anonymous No.1326185]

>>1326180
>>1326174
>>1326149
What's really sad is that there are some people who SWEAR that the Gen 1 games could still hold up today.

[Anonymous No.1326187]

>>1326180
I just realized I said 50% instead of 200%. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.1326197]

>>1326185
They're still fun to play through every now and then, you just have to be prepared when they fall apart at the seams.

[Anonymous No.1326225]

>>1326197
>the last half of that statement
As someone who legitimately never played past Yellow but has known about the further generations: elaborate?

[Anonymous No.1326238]

>>1325843
They lost the source code for Panzer Dragoon too

[Anonymous No.1326242]

>>1324638
Or that it was put in so that it didn't crash the game when you hacked her in, or those events might have originally happened after she died.

[Anonymous No.1326248]

>>1326242
She was originally supposed to die in the Northern Crater

[Anonymous No.1326251]

>>1326174
>>1326180

Who the fuck programmed the games? How was this level of bugginess even humanely possible? I fucking swear that Micronics would've made a better game that at least held together for a whole minute.

Though some of those things in that pic (some, not all) can be chalked up to design choice. Gen 1, programming issues aside, resembles an old school RPG at the core.

[Anonymous No.1326263]

>>1325989
it's vinesauce, not vsauce. completely different channels with very similar names.

[Anonymous No.1326276]

>>1326238
They lost the source code for ALL the Panzer Dragoons on the Saturn, and possibly even Orta.

That's why they have never been rereleased, and the few times the original game was an unlockable in something it was just the PC version.

[Anonymous No.1326278]

>>1326263
Well yeah, vsause is the one that's split into three channels, the first of which being the only interesting one with non-click bait titles.

[Anonymous No.1326280]

>>1326185
They're still pretty fun old-school RPGs. Better than a lot of older RPGs, I would say.

Also, I, and many other people, love the glitches. You can do so much crazy shit with them. Some dude fucking programmed Pong using glitches in Pokemon, shit is crazy.

[Anonymous No.1326285]

>>1326197
>you just have to be prepared when they fall apart at the seams.

Unless you're actively trying to, nothing really falls apart at the seams though.

[Anonymous No.1326293]

>>1326180
>When a Pokemon's HP is 255 or 511 below its max HP, recovery moves will fail. Don't ask. Just don't.
?
????

[Anonymous No.1326312]

>>1326180
It didn't. It was the TCG and the games, the anime played a relatively small role.

[Anonymous No.1326329]

>>1326225
He's exaggerating. They're no worse off than games like Final Fantasy VI.

There are bugs everywhere, but unless you try random shit you're probably not going to run into anything too crazy.

[Anonymous No.1326338]

>>1325907
>Out of the original 255 proposed pokemon

[Anonymous No.1326343]

>>1326338
(2^8)-1

[Anonymous No.1326348]

>>1326338
yeah. 255 cut down to 190 down to 150, then Mew was snuck in last second. The 251 from G/S were all designed for R/G, except Ho-oh. The cut five that had to wait it out to Ruby and Sapphire were Wynutt, Azurill, Plussle, Minun, and Latios

[Anonymous No.1326351]

>>1326343
>>1326348
Sorry, I guess I used the wrong mémé picture.

[Anonymous No.1326358]

>>1326348
That's amazing. I wonder if there's a hack of Gen 2 that includes those 5 cut Pokemon.

[Anonymous No.1326369]

>>1326358
I'm gonna go ahead and say that person is completely wrong and there were no such cut Pokemon. It's a lot more likely that someone with no knowledge of computer architectures heard "there's room for 255 Pokémon!" and let their imagination run away.

[Anonymous No.1326373]

>>1326369
It's in the original design proposals for Pokemon R/G, then Taijiri said it in an interview with someone when X/Y was getting released. Probably Iwata Asks.

[Anonymous No.1326376]

>>1326369
But this is false. Such things as not all designed Pokemon being used has been confirmed in interviews (A prototype image of the LatiKen was actually revealed, along with other Beta Pokemon versions) and Gen I having semi-completed information for more Pokemon (Missingo glitch actually involves this).

[Anonymous No.1326384]

>>1326373
>>1326376
I'm talking specifically about the 255 number. I'm aware of the alleged 190.

[Anonymous No.1326386]

>>1326369
It's possible they had originally planned that many since there was enough room for 255.

[Anonymous No.1326401]

>>1323909

also, despite the game being rated E, there is a lot of creepy shit and violent implications in the game. bottom of the well for example.

also some of the music is pretty unnerving (forest temple, imo). another thing that makes the game creepy as fuck imo is who isolated you feel half the time. there's not actually many other people the game if you think about it. when you're in dungeons you feel completely alone

[Anonymous No.1326402]

>>1326401
E+10 actually, for the rereleases and the remake.

[Anonymous No.1326426]

>>1326090
How'd I overlook this post? Sorry. You're right on the money. This is too similar to be a coincidence.

>>1326312
Oh no. Look at some of the people who wear the old 90's Pokémon shirts and the like. The anime was what those casual Facebook 150 for life fools watched. They never played the games. Ask them ten Pokémon from the top of their heads and they'll likely say Agumon or Digimon. That anime saved GameFreak.

>>1326348
Plusle and Minum? Really? You had Pichu and Marill along with the planned fire pika planned. That might have oversaturated the rodents unless they were meant to be another typing.

I can't find the original sketch but here's some fanart of Hanachu, Chikorita and Kurusu.

[Anonymous No.1326436]

>>1326386
It's "possible" that they planned anything. That doesn't mean "originally anything I can think of was planned to be a pokemon"

[Anonymous No.1326523]

>>1322592

I feel like n64 games in general have a shit ton of unused content a lot of the time. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are also games with a shit ton of beta content

[Anonymous No.1326524]

>>1325314
Hey now; according to some asshole in one of those Venonat is suppose to evolve into Butterfree threads, the original 150 don't have original designs, and that the Green sprites are what they're really suppose to look like, and some third party made up those cards. Essentially, all the Pokemon designs we know now are the equvelent of all the robot master designs from Captain N became the real designs.

You now know why /vp/ exists.

[Anonymous No.1326534]

Do you guys think that they planned to have more uses for currency in OoT? I believe it's only in the very beginning of the game where you are required to buy something and later on money is virtually useless

[Anonymous No.1326558]

>>1326534
You /can/ buy a lot of stuff, it's just often not necessary. Why should you need to buy things?
You can get bigger slingshot ammo pouch/larger quiver/larger bomb bag through minigames you have to pay for, minigames for pieces of hearts, mask quest, getting Epona (if you lose a race ever), the fake biggorons sword, and getting a new shield/tunic of you lose one. Money has it's place, but it's mostly optional.

[Anonymous No.1326559]

>>1324901

>music removed before game was released

The music was on the gold cartridge versions. I know because I had one and its ingrained in my head as the true fire temple music.

To bad I lost that and my N64 a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.1326563]

>>1326558
Oh, and fishing, getting magic beans (which really eats away at cash), getting the ice arrows...
There are plenty of uses for money

[Anonymous No.1326578]

>>1323340
oh shit... were they gonna put Jetpac in 007 and then they had to delay it to DK64?!?! that must've been it!

[Anonymous No.1326580]

>>1326578

nah, I'm pretty sure I read in an interview that one of the developers did it in his spare time just to see if it could be done

[Anonymous No.1326581]

>>1323348
>that size

[Anonymous No.1326583]

>>1326580

I mean, coded the emulator just to see if it could be done

[Anonymous No.1326584]

>>1323685
ahahahaha that must have been a hilarious way to bug test


no way you forget about a fucking SURPRISE ARWING while testing the game

[Anonymous No.1326596]

>>1325746
scanlines are supposed to prevent aliasing not make everything look like fucking lego, i wish scanline filters would just die

[Anonymous No.1326603]

>>1326596
I don't think scanlines are "supposed" to do anything. They are just the result of the interlacing of the image. A scanline filter doesn't make the image look better, because it doesn't make the image display in the proper resolution, which is what makes the image look better on an SDTV.

[Anonymous No.1326625]

>>1326596
The problem lies with the lack of pixels on current displays, not a lack of knowledge of how to make proper scanline filters. To truly recreate how games look on CRT TVs, you need monstrous resolution, like 4K, or maybe even 8K.

[bee No.1326817]

OoT beta shots & analysis:
http://glitterberri.com/ocarina-of-time/prerelease-material/screenshots-footage-1997/

Pokémon concept art translations & analysis:
http://www.glitterberri.com/pokemon-red-blue/early-concept-art/2/

[bee No.1326820]

[bee No.1326825]

>>1326817
Early OoT concept art from HH showing shield design in that screenshot.

[Anonymous No.1326981]

>>1323879

Play it.

[Anonymous No.1327018]

>>1326049

The idea was that Muslims got butthurt and sent angry letters to Nintendo demanding to change it.

The video and info proves that even before the game was released, they were doing bug fixed versions and idea changes. Whether they knew they'd be outcry or not, or whether they wished to replace to generic "EEEE" / "AAAAA" chants, those didn't get implemented until 1.2 while they were already pumping out cart production, and those 1.2 carts didn't hit shelves until 1999, possibly as the GOTY sticker version.

Not certain if the green blood puking was in the Japanese 1.2 or not, but maybe it went over the "all ages" idea for them, too.

The new Gerudo symbol was again GC disc and onward, though they seemed ready to change it going by the symbol's usage in Majora's Mask. It probably was on the nose about the Gerudo being like an Islamic tribe with just a reversed Islamic symbol. It's unknown if that got any complaints, though.

[Anonymous No.1327048]

>>1327018

>It's unknown if that got any complaints, though.

There were none.

[Anonymous No.1327115]

It's a shame that URA Zelda restoration project got canned, I would have played the shit out of it for sure. If only we could find a team with talent with a leader who's not a complete asshat.

[Anonymous No.1327130]

>>1324840
It's Aquaphobia, Hydrophobia is an illness. Seriously look it up.

[Anonymous No.1327145]

>>1327018
To be perfectly clear, the smoking gun is that we can determine the date of the ROM version when the chants were removed, and it was before OOT was ever released at all. Unless an internal tester was muslim and complained, there's no way any muslims could possibly have influenced the audio in this game.

[Anonymous No.1327147]

>>1323385
You can read more about it here: http://tcrf.net/GoldenEye_007_%28Nintendo_64%29#ZX_Spectrum_Emulator

[Anonymous No.1327149]

>>1323843

[Anonymous No.1327152]

>>1327149

Right here:
>>1323916
>>1323917
>>1323921
>>1323924
>>1323934
>>1323936
>>1323940
>>1323943
>>1323953

[Anonymous No.1327160]

>>1327152
Oh I saw it just after I posted that. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.1327171]

>>1327115
>URA Zelda restoration project
Could someone give me a rundown on why it was cancelled. I understand they shit canned link and was going with some of their own original character but I can't be bothered googling all the drama.

[Anonymous No.1327179]

>>1325575
>person didnt know every detail about a failed addon for a very old console
>call him autistic
I think we know who the real autist here is.
It's you.

[Anonymous No.1327186]

>>1326090
Slowpoke's evolution was stolen from Brian Froud's Labyrinth illustration/plot background book (yes, the film with David Bowie, and Froud was the guy who designed the monsters and world).

That's one people never comment.

[Anonymous No.1327193]

>>1324127
>/v/

[Anonymous No.1327196]

>>1323940

-Walk on sand made footprints stay. If you cut up a sign, it would stay cut and on the ground until you repaired it. Even after resetting the console. Every thing you did would stay like it, and only change after time passed, such as waiting for grass to grow, people to buy/make new pots, and repair signs.

Any source on this?

[Anonymous No.1327202]

>>1323916
>>1323917
>>1323921
>>1323924
>>1323934
>>1323936
>>1323940
>>1323943
>>1323953

Imagine if you were a developer for OOT at this time, it must've been something.

It's hard to think about all the content that people must have deleted and removed from the game thinking it's a waste of space to keep or even think about, when people these days would given anything to have it.

I guess we will never see 64DD Zelda ever.

How long was OOT's development anyhow?

[Anonymous No.1327205]

>>1324842
>>1324898
Those fairies are fucking hot.

[Anonymous No.1327218]

A short thought here.
It's even more amazing that people gets fascinated by unused content of a videogame just like when art/music fanatics found early versions of paintings/songs. That really gives a lot to think about videogames being practically an art.

[Anonymous No.1327219]

>>1323940
What does Master Quest include? I have the GC disk with it, but never tried that one (I preffer much much Majora's Mask)

[Anonymous No.1327220]

>>1325083
Honey actually made it into the games on Gen IV. Really interesting to see they re-utilize previously scrapped ideas.

[Anonymous No.1327224]

>>1325746
Is that an expanded dong?

[Anonymous No.1327226]

>>1326145
When did /vr/ become /v/?

[Anonymous No.1327228]

there is a lot of shit missing/intended to be in gran turismo 2.

lots of hidden cars, but my favorite thing is that there was supposed to be a drag racing mode and probably drag events, hence all the drag cars.

there's a huge thread still sort of active over the last few years dedicated to finding shit out of all the various versions of GT2 here.

>http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/searching-for-evidence-of-hidden-things.78938/

[Anonymous No.1327231]

>>1327186
Can you provide the particular picture he's "stolen" from? I can't seem to find it.

[Anonymous No.1327243]

>>1327186
do you have any pics for comparison? i wanna know more about this

[Anonymous No.1327249]

>>1326524
Hi. You really twisted a lot of the things I said though.

[Anonymous No.1327263]

>>1325232
Oddish and Gloom look high as fuck here.

[script writer kibe No.1327264]

>>1326524
When I was younger, there was some speculation that Grimer and Ghastly shared a joint evolutionary path. Same with the whole "Pikablue" debacle

[Anonymous No.1327274]

>>1327249
cant believe i never noticed this before. even though they differentiated the two in later versions they kept the same color scheme

[Anonymous No.1327278]

>>1326524
>>1327249
god damn I HATE that 'venonat evolves into butterfree' bullshit

[Anonymous No.1327282]

>>1327278
im not one to go for fan theories but the evidence seems to clear on this particular case. look at >>1327249 it's the same creature only with added wings

[Anonymous No.1327283]

>>1327231
>>1327243
Not that guy, but the book would be Goblins of Labyrinth. I've been meaning to get it for some time, and last I checked, torrents aren't forthcoming.

[Anonymous No.1327289]

>>1327179
>knowing the difference between a floppy and a CD is autism
Holy shit. What do they teach you in school?

[Anonymous No.1327287]

>>1327283
thanks dude i'll look into it

>>1327278
>wah wah muh childhood is destroyed

[Anonymous No.1327292]

>>1325843
The worst thing is that they still had the source code when they were porting Sonic 1 to J2ME phones and ipod. So, about 2007. What happened then - i have no idea.

[Anonymous No.1327296]

>>1327186
never heard about this. source? or at least can you provide a description of the creature slowpoke was based on?

[Anonymous No.1327297]

>>1327283
I know what the book is, but so far all the pictures I've seen none of them has anything resembling Slowbro.

[Anonymous No.1327298]

>>1327289
What I'm saying is you called him an autist for not knowing that the 64DD used floppies and not CDs which I found pretty autistic

[Anonymous No.1327301]

>>1327282
yeah no shit they have the same face. but do you really think gamefreak would somehow accidentally make a pokemon evolve into something it's not meant to? and even then, not fix it in the rereleased red/blue? also see >>1325208

>>1327287
its not even that, its just such a lame theory, which has no basis other than that they look similar

[Anonymous No.1327303]

>>1327301
They don't like similar, it's literally a venonat with wings and a neck.

[Anonymous No.1327305]

>>1327297
same but it got me really intrigued. slowpoke and slowbro are the pokemon with one of the most enigmatic origins imo. was hoping this would shed some light on the matter

[Anonymous No.1327332]

>>1327301
venonat is themed like a cute fluffy bug with, anthenae, 4 limbs, radar-like eyes and pincer mouth.

none of these features is carried over when evolving to venomoth.
butterfree continues the theme perfectly

not to mention the color schemes.

[Anonymous No.1327338]

>>1327332
Because Geodude to Graveler to Golem keeps the number of limbs.

[Anonymous No.1327340]

>>1327338
No, it adds limbs, which makes sense.

[Anonymous No.1327346]

>>1327338
>ignores everything else i mentioned

>>1327340
graveler to golem loses the extra 2

[Anonymous No.1327345]

>>1327340
>2-6-4.

[Anonymous No.1327350]

>>1327338
they carry over a the theme of rolling boulder

[Anonymous No.1327354]

>>1327345
duh
we dont have 6 limbs, do we?
it's impractical, of course they fell off

[Anonymous No.1327360]

>>1327301

I don't think anybody is saying they "accidentally" made venomat not evolve into butterfree. The general theory seems to be that at one time they were possibly intended to be apart of the same evolutionary chain, but then they decided to change them for whatever reason. Lots of things get changed around during development, so its entirely possible.

[Anonymous No.1327362]

>>1327350
And Caterpie->Metapod->Butterfree is metamorphosis growth of a caterpillar.

[Anonymous No.1327365]

>>1327362

And assuming there was a change during the development where they decided to make Butterfree the final evolution of Caterpie, it was probably because they wanted to have something similar to a caterpillar's metamorphosis and thought they would go pretty well together.

As far as fan theories go, this one seems more plausible than many other things I've heard.

[Anonymous No.1327367]

>>1327362
And Venomoth's Japanese name is Morphon.

[Anonymous No.1327371]

>>1327362
which works perfectly with venomoth(whose real name is morphon btw)

[Anonymous No.1327378]

>>1327367
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpho
Caterpie is based on a swallowtail, which is different from Family level.

[Anonymous No.1327380]

>>1327371
>>1327249
this is the first time im buying a fan theory. not that i care about pokemon.

[Anonymous No.1327391]

>>1327378
Could be morphon as in something that morphs/transforms. but in this case names are irrelevant as both real names of both pokemon(morphon and butterfree) can apply to both butterfree and venomoth

[Anonymous No.1327401]

Jesus christ here we go again. I remember months ago when these 2 autists went back and forth with the pokebutterflies

[Anonymous No.1327413]

>>1327401
Originally Weedle turned into Venonat and then Beedrill and Caterpie had branched Metapod->Venomoth or Kakuna->Butterfree, but there was not enough ram to hold this.

[Anonymous No.1327415]

>>1327413
does your dad work at nintendo?

[Anonymous No.1327421]

yellow spots like caterpie's back removed from later incarnations

[Anonymous No.1327431]

forget the bugs i wanna know what this >>1327186
dude was on about

[Anonymous No.1327443]

>>1327231
Froud used to have that image on his page. And it is no "stolen", but a direct rip-off. Anyway, right now it seems hard to find that same image.

[Anonymous No.1327457]

>>1327219
For what I remember Master's Quest was similar to OoT in everything except temple design.
The temple's were a bit more challenging here and there, but nothing too hard. It used a lot of things that are possible in the game, but shouldn't be if it were real life (i.e. hitting a switch behind a tall fence with your sword because your sword goes through it a bit)

[Anonymous No.1327458]

>>1327443
give me all the details you remember. please im deeply interested

[Anonymous No.1327469]

>>1327443
please dont be trolling. tell us about it. slowbro is my fave poke

[Anonymous No.1327470]

>>1327289
This: >>1327298 Thanks Didn't realize until >>1324627 pointed out I was wrong that it was not a normal compact disk. I then thought "Wow, it's retarded to use a CD with only 64Mb of storage instead of a standard sized one." I thought a 64DD used compact discs to compete with the PS1 and shit. And then remembered there are other kinds of disks.
When I was a kid I never considered a floppy disk drive to be a disk drive at all - just where the floppy disk goes.

[Anonymous No.1327482]

>>1327443
find it and ill suck your dick no homo

[Anonymous No.1327483]

>>1327431
It had three versions? I mean the one with the shell as a hat.

And this is the first time people on 4chan pay attention to this, sadly I am using a bad connection right now, but will try to find it.

[Anonymous No.1327490]

>>1327483
i hope you dont mean like this looks like slowking or something

[Anonymous No.1327492]

>>1327431
It had three versions? I mean the one with the shell as a hat.

And this is the first time people on 4chan pay attention to this, sadly I am using a bad connection right now, but will try to find it.

[Anonymous No.1327496]

>>1327492
That's thanks to my bad connection. I'm using a mobile right now.

>>1327490
No, I think it was a bit more decorated, but had the same stupid clowney face, the same shell on the head and looked way too similar.

[Anonymous No.1327505]

>>1327496
>the same shell on the head
so you're talking about slowking and not slowbro?

[Anonymous No.1327517]

>>1327505
Yes, that one.

[Anonymous No.1327529]

>>1327517
if you end up finding it make sure to spam it here and in /vp/ i want to make sure i see it

[Anonymous No.1327574]

why are these guys arguing about cartoon bugs

[Anonymous No.1327581]

>>1327574
Because Bugs are cool.

[Anonymous No.1327585]

>>1327581

[Anonymous No.1327617]

>>1326401

>Ocarina of Time
>the best Metroid game

[Anonymous No.1327652]

>>1327617
what

[Anonymous No.1327658]

>>1327585
Man, remember Toei Yugioh? Bullshitting: The Anime.

[Anonymous No.1327668]

>>1327652

I think he's trying to say that OoT feels like a Metroid game

[Anonymous No.1327678]

>>1324785
we don't know, but apparently Claus was going to be represented like some sort of angelic being who would have multiple forms during the battle.

[Anonymous No.1327747]

>>1327517
lame. you should have clarified.

slowbro >>>>>> slowking

[Anonymous No.1327761]

Hey, this is the guy who wanted to know how to use Skulltag exclusive stuff in GZ Doom Builder. When I load skulltag_actors.pk3 skulltag_data.pk3 when creating a new map, I get a massive fucking list of errors.

Here's a pastebin with the error log I get: http://pastebin.com/P19SLudK..

How do I make this stop happening?

[Anonymous No.1327768]

>>1327668
>>1327668
Yeah, I get that but I'm not sure I would ever compare the two...
I'd really love to hear his explanation.
I don't think I felt creeped out too often in Metroid, but much more often in OoT. There was a bit of an age difference between the two for me, but still.

[Anonymous No.1327775]

>>1327658
I don't think anyone on /vr/ who's supposed be here is young enough to have enjoyed that show.

[Anonymous No.1327776]

>>1326251
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNPisyK43Lc

[Anonymous No.1327787]

>>1327775
Eh. It started airing over in America in 2001. If you started watching it when you were seven or so then you could be old enough.

[Anonymous No.1327793]

>>1327775
>>1327787
In any case the Toei series is from 1996

[Anonymous No.1327798]

>>1327775
There are grown men who still watch wrestling.

The fact that people still think entertainment is tied to age is funny.

[Anonymous No.1327808]

>>1327798
Fun-fact pro wrestling in the 70s was solely the preserve of the working class age 30 and up

[Anonymous No.1327809]

>>1327775
2001 was 13 years ago.

[Anonymous No.1327818]

>>1326293

Since those are (2^7)-1 and (2^8)-1 respectively, I presume there's some sort of bit-shift issue that causes the shit to fail. That kind of code is weird that way.

[Anonymous No.1327854]

>>1327818
>That kind of code is weird that way.
More like the fault of using low-level languages. But you know, giving a nice development kit to people mean expending money on developing it.

[Anonymous No.1327897]

>>1327274
>they kept the same color scheme
But if you look at the original R/G SGB palette data they didn't have the same color scheme.

[Anonymous No.1327913]

>>1327897
> Butterfree's color scheme matches with nobody
IT'S JUST A FREAK, A FUCKING FREAK

[Anonymous No.1327941]

My main problem with the whole Venonat = Butterfree theory is that Venomoth doesn't resemble Caterpie either, while Venonat and Venomoth at least share the same color scheme. Either way you look at it you're going to have a mon that doesn't resemble it's pre-evo. It's a very nice fan theory but I think people blow it out of proportion.

[Anonymous No.1327949]

>>1324672
Yeah. IIRC, Itoi said he changed it because he had become a better person or something.

[Anonymous No.1327959]

>>1327941
so you think caterpie resembles butterfree? a catterpillar will never look like a butterfly but at least both caterpie and venomoth have an headcrest while venonat and butterfree have antenas

[Anonymous No.1328009]

>>1327959
I never said Caterpie looked like Butterfree, either. A headcrest is really the only thing connecting Caterpie and Venomoth. Plus you'd think something like that would be mentioned in any of the interviews or sources about RG's development but it never has. I'm not saying the theory's wrong but I think people give it too much credit.

[Anonymous No.1328021]

>>1328009
when you have this >>1327249 level of similarity it's really hard to discredit it

[Anonymous No.1328096]

>>1327775
I watched it when I was a kid. I was born 1993.

[Anonymous No.1328150]

>>1327457
Water Temple in Master Quest is actually way easier.

[Anonymous No.1328165]

>>1328009
They have a similarly segmented body and the crescent shape too, look at >>1327897

The color scheme could have been changed when the sprites were switched or something, Venomoth's color pallet was intended for Butterfree etc.

[Anonymous No.1328170]

>>1328150
The Water Temple in OoT wasn't hard, it was just fucking tedious.

[Anonymous No.1328185]

>>1328096
You still are a kid.

[Anonymous No.1328192]

>>1328185
I'm 21 retard. my birthday is january 5th. good job.

[Anonymous No.1328204]

>>1322592
Why Nintendo decided to go with prerendered stuff in OoT?

[Anonymous No.1328205]

>>1328192
Ha, you're not even 25 yet, MAYBE then you won't be a kid.

[Anonymous No.1328209]

>>1328205
pfff hahaha okay lol. stay delusional.

[Anonymous No.1328212]

>>1328204
Probably to show off that they can do what playstation does.

[Anonymous No.1328218]

>>1328205
So you mean to imply you're 30 or older. Wow man I'd hate to still be shitposting on 4chan at 30. reminder that 4chans main userbase is males ages 18-25. feel free to google it if you dont believe me.

[Anonymous No.1328228]

>>1328212
How it is the 3DS remake?

[Anonymous No.1328237]

>>1328228
Beautiful.

[Anonymous No.1328241]

>>1328228
I thought you meant the market in the original.

[Anonymous No.1328242]

>>1328218

>>1327798

[Anonymous No.1328251]

If someone were 18 years old right now, they would be in elementary school between 2001-2008, give or take which ages the school dealt with and when someone's birthday was. Where I grew up, it was kindergarten at 5, elementary at 6-11, junior high 12-14, senior high 15-17, with some kids being half a year older or younger depending on their birthday.

There are people 18 years old or older right now who were playing Wii, PS3 and XBox 360 when they were kids.

[Anonymous No.1328286]

>>1328251
That's me you're talking about.

I also played N64, Ps1/2, gamecube before the wii and 360 came out and got into older consoles through virtual console though.

[Anonymous No.1328298]

>>1328251
360 had an insanely long run.

[Anonymous No.1328308]

>>1328251
They might have been into ps2/gamecube/xbox stuff, I got an snes right before the nintendo64 came out when I was 6 and it was my primary console until the gamecube.

[Anonymous No.1328558]

>>1327809
>2001 was 13 years ago
>mfw

[bee No.1328946]

>>1327152
A lot of this stuff is questionable... a mix of truth and rumours. Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.1329039]

>>1328251

There are also kids born after 9/11 that you can have a conversation with.

[Anonymous No.1329043]

>kids born when oot came out are turning 16 this year
Fuck me

[Anonymous No.1329085]

>>1328946

Good thing it wasn't me that posted it then huh.

[Anonymous No.1329091]

>>1327941
It could be as simple as they decided not to do venonat=butterfree and then invented caterpie and metapod for butterfree.

[Anonymous No.1329106]

>>1323917
>Master Sword was originally going to be in SACRED Forest Meadow
>so it would be in the Lost Woods just as it was in LttP
>Instead nope secret room near castle

YOU HAD ONE JOB

[Anonymous No.1329558]

>>1324824
All fanbases are like that.
>the more I learn about it the more I hate it
I feel that way about human beings as well.

[Anonymous No.1329570]

>>1329043
ok

[Anonymous No.1329602]

What did you guys think of sonic xtreme? IMO It's good that they canceled it. I have the files for it and it just doesn't seem fun to play at all.
In fact it's rather boring

[Anonymous No.1329608]

>>1329602
If half the stories about the dev process are true then it's understandable because it was a total clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.1330056]

>>1329558
>All fanbases are like that.
To some extent but the Zelda one encompasses everything retarded I hate about fanbases.

[Anonymous No.1330107]

>>1323860

I felt that way about the Banjo games bit mainly because I was big into the stop'n'swap obsessed code trawling crowd.

[Anonymous No.1330112]

>>1330056
Like people making it sound deeper than what it actually is?

Because I hate that one a lot.

[Anonymous No.1330117]

>>1330112
>no fun allowed

[Anonymous No.1330125]

>>1330117
That's fun for you guys?

[Anonymous No.1330128]

>>1330056
Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who though the Zelda fanbase was the worst.

[Anonymous No.1330223]

>>1325396
I know what you mean anon, Ill never forget when we got a playable version of RE 1.5

[script writer kibe No.1331597]

>>1329602
I think in some way or another "Lost World" is the successor to X-Treme (at least from what I've seen). And of course everybody is "HUUUUURRR IT'S RIPPING OFF MARIO GALAXY HOW ORIGINAL!!"

But there is currently a fan project called "Project AXSX" that hopes to fully recreate X-Treme on modern pcs

[Anonymous No.1331628]

[Anonymous No.1331630]

>>1330056
>Every fanbase encompasses everything I hate about fanbases, but I'm only going to say Zelda right now because I'm in a Zelda thread.

ftfy

[Anonymous No.1331659]

>grab

[Anonymous No.1333523]

What if they switched butterfree and venomoth to see if autists would fight about it for years to come?

[Anonymous No.1333527]

>>1333523
the creator of pokemon has aspergers. not even trolling

[Anonymous No.1333562]

>>1333527
Explains a lot really

Even when you look at Mendal's Palace compared to pokemon, you would see that the artstyles are pretty much similar

[Anonymous No.1333563]

>>1331659
I always thought that guy looked like he belonged in a Gorillaz video.

[Anonymous No.1333953]

>>1333527
looks like the average /vr/ user

[Anonymous No.1333989]

>>1324859
Except I have both GC ports the grey cart and the scientist uses that text in all 3..

[Anonymous No.1333996]

>>1333989
Yeah. I was gonna say I had the later version of OoT with green blood and altered music for Fire Temple and I definitely remember the fried eyeballs bit.

[Anonymous No.1334051]

>>1333953
Wow, he actually looks sorta Normal
Also my dad looks like an older and American version of Arino

[Anonymous No.1334095]

>>1331659
His business tanked, resorted to stealing, tried to kill himself by jumping into the well

[Anonymous No.1334142]

>>1325237
>that poliwhirl
now we know how they fap

[Anonymous No.1334153]

>>1325746
>expand dong 64

[Anonymous No.1334298]

One game that had a shit load of stuff cut from it was SSX Tricky. It isn't too /vr/, but it's related.

1) The hidden character "Mix Master Mike" was originally going to just be part of the normal character selection, but they decided to hide him last minute.
2) Shit loads of the mountains were changed/renamed during development.
3) The version of the game used for the TV commercials wasn't the final build of the game, as Garibaldi looked completely different.
4) Shit loads of the clothing, and snowboards designed for the game didn't make the final cut.

[Anonymous No.1334463]

>>1324898
wtf happened? Why change it to those ugly things?

[Anonymous No.1334571]

>>1323967

It just serves to point out that no one had any idea where consumer-level graphics were going. Everyone had their own ideas and all kinds of designs/architectures were still in the game. This was still happening as late as last generation. Still may happen again. Every major console has/had weird limitations and it takes fucking Wizards to figure out how to wring out the best visuals from them. For Nintendo, it was Factor 5 before they imploded in spectacular fashion. In the GBC/GBA era it was Raylight. For Sony, it tends to be Square or Kojima Productions, but you could probably make some arguments here and there.

Currently I can't think of who Nintendo has that really pushed the Wii. Maybe High Voltage studios, but they weren't really Factor 5-level bullshit magic, just highly competent.

[Anonymous No.1334582]

>>1334463

I can see what Nintendo wanted to do with the GFs in the N64 era, but their polycounts and available texture RAM just couldn't support crazy ethereal forest nymphs. I don't fault them for trying, but there's a reason why Wind Waker's designs are so goddamned timeless and hold up so well.

[Anonymous No.1335458]

>>1334571
It used to be Rare, then it was Factor 5 and Retro Studios, now it's just Nintendo alone.

[Anonymous No.1335460]

>>1324785
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cDsiN7hOg8

[Anonymous No.1335470]

>>1333953

Wrong guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKCkB4Dta8

[Anonymous No.1335496]

>>1325218
>Just look at the retards who still think Jynx is an embarrassing racial stereotype.

It is though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet

[Anonymous No.1335524]

>>1335496
jynx is yama uba from japanese folklore

[Anonymous No.1335571]

>>1326523

Christ, the mysteries and speculation surrounding those games was ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.1335578]

>>1326981

I've got the Master Quest Collection thing on Gamecube which has all of the Zeldas except LttP. Had it for over a decade I think now. Still enver played MM.

Think I better get on it. Any subtle tips you can give? Like "make sure you have plenty of ash before X" or something?

I played it for about 20 mins at a friend's house when ti was released but the time travel aspect was too weird for my faggot mind at the time.

[Anonymous No.1335579]

>>1335578
Isn't that collection known for being quite buggy? Freezes and the like?

[Anonymous No.1335583]

>>1335578

Well, I had no problem playing Master Quest a long time ago. Ran flawlessly and enjoyed every minute of it.

My friend has a cartridge, but I haven't seen him in 8 years and he probably changed his number now (or ditched the cartridge for "muh family" as most people have now) but a quick Jewgle search implies that any problems with the GC version aren't massive enough to warrant hunting down a cartridge if you have the GC version available.

[Anonymous No.1335582]

>>1335578
Talk to the scarecrow in clock town. He'll teach you two versions of the song of time that don't save on the status screen. The inverted song slows time to half speed giving you essentially 6 days instead of 3.

Play the bombers gang hide and seek as a human. That notebook is the best way to truly keep track of time.

Seek out the owl statues. Not only do they let you temporarily save your progress, they are also warp points.

Master Goron rolling. The golden sword makes most enemies a joke.

[Anonymous No.1335586]

>>1335583
>>1335579

[Anonymous No.1335589]

>>1335582
You actually don't need to talk to the scarecrow in order to use Song of Double Time/Inverted Song of Time, as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.1335587]

>>1335578
Hints? Try to talk to as many characters as often as you can. Most of them have daily schedules and give different clues at different times in different locations. Majora's Mask was a very confusing game to me until I had a solid grasp on English.

Keep in mind, the main quest involving the dungeons is quite linear and short, and a lot of trying to get inside of a dungeon involve things that usually belong in sidequests, like fetching stuff, finding the right character to talk to, and searching for hidden entrances to areas. Sidequests are also what makes up the biggest amount of content in the game, so it's a good idea to search them out as early and often as you can.

[Anonymous No.1335626]

>>1335582
Another good tip. Wolfos and any color variant can be killed one hit by waiting for him to expose tail and jump slashing.

[Anonymous No.1336263]

>>1335589
You don't.

>>1335583
The puzzles in Master Quest are so awkwardly rearranged with a few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.1336265]

>>1334463
becuase those fairies were from the ura zelda fangame

[Anonymous No.1336343]

Part 1 of a brand new article series discussing beta Wind Waker & Wind Waker lore!

Did you know that…

• Several early overworld maps exist inside the game files?

• During development, Dragon Roost Island may not have always belonged to the Rito, and Greatfish Island may not have always been destroyed?

• Dragon Roost, Forest Haven, and Greatfish once made up the outside part of a Triforce, while the Triangle Islands make up the inside?

http://www.glitterberri.com/the-wind-waker/mysterious-maps/

[Anonymous No.1336350]

>>1336343
>Dragon Roost, Forest Haven, and Greatfish once made up the outside part of a Triforce, while the Triangle Islands make up the inside?
But they still do. It's fairly obvious on the map but in the final game only the triangle formed by the Triangle Island is prominently shown (via the cutscene)

[Anonymous No.1336368]

>>1335579
Majora's Mask has sound issues and freezes.

I've only had it freeze once though, I don't think it was related but it was the only time I didn't have two memory cards in my system.

[Anonymous No.1336394]

>>1336368
It's unrelated to memory cards.
It's pretty obvious that Nintendo couldn't optimize their emulator for Majora's Mask.
Make me think they rushed it.

[Anonymous No.1336398]

An old NES game by the name of Treasure Master still has a level that has yet to be unlocked.

http://tcrf.net/Treasure_Master

[Anonymous No.1336406]

>>1336343
>Could these three locations have had a greater role in summoning of the Tower of the Gods?
What a joke. Those three locations are where the pearls are hidden. Or were hidden, in the case of Greatfish, since it gets destroyed and the pearl's keeper flees to a new location.

[Anonymous No.1336420]

>>1336343
Is it me, or are there a lot of "related articles" on this site that are password protected?

[Anonymous No.1336518]

>>1324862
LMFAO! You, good sir, just made my fucking day! LOL! A tip of the hat to you. Interested in some DogeCoins?

[Anonymous No.1336524]

>>1336420
It's because they aren't finished yet. They'll be unlocked and published when they're done.

>>1336406
I believe there was more to them during development than exists in the final game.

[Anonymous No.1336552]

>>1336524
Some of the locked pages are from as early as 2006.

[Anonymous No.1336767]

>>1336552
The date is manually set so they don't appear on the front page while they're still locked and undergoing editing.

[Anonymous No.1337013]

>>1325624
2kooky2me

[Anonymous No.1337017]

>>1325857
Thank God they got their act together when it comes to porting.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(2013_game)

[Anonymous No.1337021]

>>1326426
those are adorable

[Anonymous No.1338717]

>>1337017
It wasn't even their own engine. It was the engine some random guy on internet made and decided to sell it to Sega.
Who knows how disastrous would those ports be if it were made 100% by Sega

[Anonymous No.1340197]

>>1327249
am i too late too shat bricks?

[Anonymous No.1340353]

>>1334571
Monolith Soft. Xenoblade looked fucking beautiful.

[Anonymous No.1340391]

>>1340353
Except those faces.

[Anonymous No.1340510]

>>1324654
>Stop n Swop
>Imagine a world without the hardware revision
>Multicart games
>All that money, but still, no load times

[Anonymous No.1340726]

>>1324159
Awesome I knew about cut content and stuff, but this site is pretty awesome. This whole time I didn't know about this place. Very Interesting stuff. Johnny have a bit more dialog at the beginning makes a bit more sense since later in the game he tells you if you remember him and stuff. I certainly didn't.

Also about those early OOT fairies they look way better than Gerudo fairy. Might fanart them at some point.

I know we could use this thread for this but if it DOES end we should make a thread dedicated to cut content in older games.

[Anonymous No.1340747]

>>1334571
>For Sony, it tends to be Square or Kojima Productions

I still find it amazing that, despite having exponentially weaker hardware, they managed to make PS2 games that look leaps and bounds above the GameCube.

[Anonymous No.1340798]

>>1325204
>>1325227

>original designs

You say that like they vary wildly. Only a handful of these are any different from their "final" designs, and most of those differences are minute.

[Anonymous No.1340953]

>>1340798
protip: those cards arent the original designs either