/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1320589]

Why can't they just remake this damn game already?

Why must they insist on making my life miserable every day?

Seriously, there is no good reason for this not to happen. None.

[Anonymous No.1320595]

Well, for starters that looks awful. FF7 was bright, colorful, and goofy. That looks like, well, every awful FF7 spinoff.

Crisis Core is actually one of only 2 psp games I ever sold. The other being Dynasty Warriors portable.

[Anonymous No.1320596]

Do you really want them to remake it? Do you think they wouldn't completely fuck it up?

[Anonymous No.1320602]

>>1320589

Of course there is. It is like walking a minefield of emotions and nostalgic connotations. Change the music? SQUARE RUINED IT OMG DESTROYED THE GAME! Took out W-Item glitch? Same. Voice acting? Fuck dis game. Changed the translation to actively reflect the prequels and sequels? Stop shitting on my childhood Squeenix. Didn't capture the originals -insert moment here-? Go to metacritic right fucking now and downvote this piece of shit.

Do not mess with gamer's nostalgia. No matter how much they want something remade, they really don't.

[Anonymous No.1320604]

>>1320596
Anything is better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.1320606]

>>1320589

because anon, it's shit

[Anonymous No.1320609]

>>1320602
That's only for idiots and children who would react like that.

By now most of the kids who played this game and actually care about a sequel are mature enough just to appreciate anything.

Those things you listed are all minor details. I'm not saying people wouldn't nitpick and shitstorms wouldn't ensue, but at the end of the day I can't see the game honestly getting poor reviews because of that alone. People would get over it soon enough.

[Anonymous No.1320616]

Stop crying about it and thinking it "deserves" a remake in the first place.
Even if FFVII would be remade we'd have the Advent Children Cloud as protagonist because SE thinks it's what the fans want and many of the awesome scenes would be watered down since they'd have to be censored in order to keep the "Teen" rating for the game:
-no Jesse, Biggs and Wedge
-no cross-dressing
-no trail of blood at Shinra HQ
-no Hojo surrounded by bitches at the beach
-no Gold Saucer dating scene
-no Tifa slapping the fuck out of Scarlet also say goodbye to Tseng bitchslapping Aeris for talking.
-speaking of Tifa she probably wouldn't have her giant rack in the remake
-Cloud is no longer silly or a douchebag, and is emotionless and they will get rid of "Let's mosey."
-It pains me to think of how bad a remake would be because of the voice acting.
-One of the heads of SE said that they'd take out the Cloud cross-dressing and the bumblebee inn.
-I have a hunch that the fact you start the game as fucking terrorists plowing up power plants wouldn't be welcome in 'Murica nowadays
-Toriyama probably would shoehorn a pointless Lightning cameo in

In short FFVII is one those things that just can't be re-made, all the weird little nonsensical shit like Bugenhagen floating, characters being able to jump a 100ft into the air and etc is what makes it what it is and if they tried to remake it now they would have to make so many changes that it just wouldn't be the same game anymore. Do you actually want that to happen?

If you actually played and loved FFVII and are still crying about how it should be remake you are the fucking cancer killing the industry. You didn't love FFVII for it's graphics in the first place so if you like it just go play it as it already exists.

The only people crying about the FFVII remake are the "hardcore" FFVII fans that haven't played FFVII itself due to it's outdated graphics and only know it's characters from spin-offs like Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children (pic)

[Anonymous No.1320618]

>>1320609
Aw, such an optimistic attitude. I'll be you don't go outside.

[Anonymous No.1320626]

>>1320602

Honestly, I'd be willing to tolerate all of its shortcomings so long as they used Nomura's original artstyle for the game instead of this boring ass "mannequins with animu accessories glued on" look they've been using for every FF game for the past 12 years or so.

[Anonymous No.1320629]

Another FF7 thread, FOR REAL?

You parasites really need your own board, in a desperate way.

[Anonymous No.1320632]

>>1320629
Instead of hiding thread you don't like you actually bother to come in and shitpost instead?
>hurrrr

[Anonymous No.1320634]

Because they'd have to do the whole game all over again from scratch. It would cost as much as doing an entirely new game.

I wouldn't trust modern Square Enix with it to begin with.

[Anonymous No.1320638]

>>1320616
is this a troll copypasta?

what the fuck kind of moron thinks ANY of that is off the table for a T rating

[Anonymous No.1320643]

>>1320618
I'll bet you stay inside all day completely void of real human interaction and don't know how most people think. Angry shut-ins like you are not optimistic, the real world is.

[Anonymous No.1320645]

>>1320632
How many times am i going to have to hide it, all because you fucking asshats dont have the intelligence to use the calalog (BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, MOTHERFUCKER) to search for the dozens of other FF7 threads and post there, which would be fine, great even.

Honestly, clogging up this board and pushing out the variety and you have the cheek to call me a shitposter? Get the fuck outta here.

By the by, this gentleman is spot on with his analysis. >>1320616

[Anonymous No.1320646]

Never, and the reason is GRAFFIX

>But even Final Fantasy XIII has taken over three and a half years to create. If we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII, we'd imagine that that would take as much as three or four times longer than the three and a half years it has taken to put this Final Fantasy together!

[Anonymous No.1320648]

>>1320646
Yep.

Also, they lost the original high-res renders, so no HD version, either.

[Anonymous No.1320647]

>>1320616
>nonsensical shit like Bugenhagen floating, characters being able to jump a 100ft into the air

But that's exactly what happens in that DmC*Gackt FF they're making

[Anonymous No.1320649]

>>1320645
It's no different than the countless zelda threads that are made each day.

[Anonymous No.1320650]

>>1320649
Fuck those guys too then.

[Anonymous No.1320657]

>>1320645
So self-important.

Like my one thread is going to stamp out the last bastion of creative and origional content on the board.

More like generic Doom thread #8848127 will get bumped to back a page. Get the sand out of your vagina, nerd.

[Anonymous No.1320654]

>>1320650
What about the daily "has anyone else played..." or "just finished X let's discuss"

The stuff you are tired of seeing is exactly what this board is for.

[Anonymous No.1320656]

>>1320616

this guy is correct...the new emo-era square would BASTARDIZE a legendary game.

Vincent might be replaced with Gackt. Cloud will get even more emo...and it will suck assdick n' balls.

[Anonymous No.1320659]

>>1320595

Thank you. I loved the original art style, and then they raped it.

In the ass.

Repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.1320669]

>>1320654
no, no a thousand times NO.
The difference there being that they dont dominate a sizeable portion of the board at any one time.

>>1320657
since you seem so contemptive of this board through actions and words, I know another one that you can ruin to your hearts content.

I would say which one, but it's kind of become a cliche to say at this point. If there was ever a case to use it in though, it's this cumpuddle you've made

[Anonymous No.1320682]

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[Anonymous No.1320687]

You guys crack me up. They KNOW it's their biggest intellectual property. They probably have a lot of it already done, but it's their doomsday weapon in case their corporation goes in a tailspin.

I wish this was the case with Chrono Trigger, but I'll have a better chance winning the lottery and funding it myself.

[Anonymous No.1320692]

>>1320669
Check the catalog again. There is one final fantasy 7 exclusive thread. A couple of threads where it may be brought up (RPG generals etc). The majority of the threads are about emulation, "I just got such and such system what gayms do I get?", and sonic/mario/LoZ/other video game poster child. Stop getting this mad over shit especially when you are making up the reason.
>>/out/

[Anonymous No.1320703]

Remakes only work if the original had potential but was poorly executed or if the new one is so radically different it barely has any reason to be called a remake except for marketing reasons. The only thing FF7 needed was some graphical updates to the out-of-battle models and some slightly better translations and you can just use mods for that.

Remaking a good game? What's the point? The original exists. It's a waste of talent. Make a sequel. Or better yet make a new game.

[Anonymous No.1320717]

>>1320703
>Remaking a good game? What's the point?
The PSX Lunar games called, they said they saw Shining Force CD link to your post on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.1320736]

>>1320682
>the remake would call her Aerith instead of Aeris

Oh. Right. That would happen. Yeah, nevermind. It's better she stays dead if that's the alternative.

[Anonymous No.1320740]

>>1320703
>Remaking a good game? What's the point? The original exists. It's a waste of talent. Make a sequel.

What a retarded post.

Final Fantasy IV
Bionic Commando Rearmed
REmake

All of these are great games that are worth playing and offer drastically different experiences from the originals.

[Anonymous No.1320750]

>>1320682
Forgot the CLASSIC MODEL SKIN PACK ONLY $9.99 ENJOY THE GAME LIKE IT'S 1997

[Anonymous No.1320767]

>>1320736
>the entire point of an expensive DLC to revive her is nostalgia power
>the name will be different from what you remember

Point, but why not just change her name at the start? Assuming they still allow that, I mean.

[Anonymous No.1320770]

>>1320717
SFCD is more like an HD Port than a remake if you'll pardon the anachronism.

[Anonymous No.1320821]

The problem is that FF7 is a 16-bit game in a 64-bit body. The characters are very animated when talking. It has weird mini games randomly placed. It has a lot of weird quarks that doesn't translated well in today's gaming culture.

I personally I would like just a new translation considering how poor the US version is. But like Anon said before any changes would just piss off fans.

[Anonymous No.1320838]

>yfw official announcement reveals Squeenix has at last approved the long awaited FF7 remake
>to be handed over to the development crew at Sonic Team who they have hired due to their experience and expertise at this sort of thing

[Anonymous No.1320862]

>>1320589
the game is simply too long for today's audience, as well as a game this long being really hard to remake properly with new graphics.

6 has a similar problem.

[Anonymous No.1320874]

>>1320821
>It has a lot of weird quarks that doesn't translated well in today's gaming culture.
I don't buy that. I got a guy in his early twenties to play FF7 and he loved it, block hands and all.

The idea that tastes have somehow changed so drastically that old games are alien to the modern market is a blatant lie promoted by the same people who are trying to sell us dumbed-down AAA "experiences".

[Anonymous No.1320901]

>>1320821
>It has a lot of weird quarks that doesn't translated well in today's gaming culture.

That statement is completely irrelevant when it comes to remakes, what you're talking about is making a complete re-imagining which is two different things entirely. When you do remakes you don't fuck with the source material in a way that makes it a completely different game, but you do alter it enough to where it feels like a new and familiar experience at the same time. See pic related for what an FFVII remake should strive to do in full spades.

>16-bit game

You do realize those are CGI backdrop renders right? You might as well call the original RE trilogy 16-bit too.

[Anonymous No.1320909]

>>1320901
>You do realize those are CGI backdrop renders right
He's not talking about the graphics... the gameplay is that of a 16 bit jrpg, there are no games like RE on a 16 bit console..

[Anonymous No.1320917]

>>1320862
>the game is simply too long for today's audience

This is a decidedly stupid post considering JRPGs now are longer than they ever have been.

[Anonymous No.1320919]

>>1320862
>the game is simply too long for today's audience
Oh I'm sorry I wasn't aware we had someone who had a degree in how games should be designed in this thread! Tell me, what's the going rate for someone who spouts enough bullshit to save the rainforests?

[Anonymous No.1320925]

its a funny argument that this style of game is no longer in vogue

not because I disagree with it, but simply that it doesn't apply to me in any way

this was out of vogue for me, on the day it was released, it was just a big step down from the games of my youth, square had made up their mind that they weren't going to invest the time necessary to complete their vision

I finished it years later of course, but trying to make it through midgar after noticing that the backgrounds were just low quality .jpgs was simply impossible for me in college

there were actual games that I wanted to play out at the time, like quake1, mk3, sfa3

everything on playstation looked primitive and shitty compared to the pc games I had already played, and ff7 felt like a major betrayal to the entire FF standard of actual fantasy

to this day I mark ff7 as the point at which final fantasy stopped being interesting in any way, it was the point at which it was transformed into some kind of test-group approved mass-appeal rubbish

[Anonymous No.1320931]

sorry I meant sfa2

[Anonymous No.1320935]

>>1320925
...but the backgrounds in FF6 are ugly garbage even for an SNES game.

[Anonymous No.1320970]

>>1320656
FF7 is already the most emo game in the franchise, that's why the tweens love it.

[Anonymous No.1320976]

>>1320970
You never played it, did you?

[Anonymous No.1320981]

I wouldn't mind a remake so long as it didn't look like every fucking advent children spinoff and what the fuck not

[Anonymous No.1321003]

>>1320970
It's like all you know about the game is the parts with Sephiroth, Aerith dying, and Vincent being an edgemaster whenever you happen to have him around.

Meawhile, the rest of the game is more or less like this.

[Anonymous No.1321024]

>>1321003
And Vincent got NTRd, shot, surgeried on, and turned into a monster against his will. He's allowed to be depressed.

[Anonymous No.1321031]

>>1321003

ya the game is super goofy and Barret and Cid are fucking my bros and are cool...and at one point you go to a whore house....oh and the emo boy cloud dresses as a chick a la some 50s comedy movie.

it's a silly game. it doesn't take itself too serious...EXCEPT FOR THAT HORRIBLE PART WHERE YOU GO IN CLOUD'S TARDED MIND AND THEY TRY TO FORCE FEELS on you.

[Anonymous No.1321049]

>>1320917
>JRPGs now are longer than they ever have been.

But they haven't selling well outside of Japan, except for Pokémon.

>>1320687 had a really good point. We should perhaps look for an FFVII remake once Tomb Raider, Thief and Deus Ex have started bombing.

But whatever happens, I wouldn't count on a remade FFVII surpassing FFIX in quality, unless you're thinking in terms of "muh AAA experience".

[Anonymous No.1321080]

Their official stance is that they don't want to do a remake without the original cast that made it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.1321091]

>>1320589
Why does everyone look Asian?

Barret doesn't even look black. Looks like some jap with corn rows.

[Anonymous No.1321104]

>>1321003
Instant music stuck in my head.

[Anonymous No.1321110]

>>1321091
The easiest way to avoid uncanny valley is to stylize the character designs.
So for Advent Children they made them all anime-esque.

[Anonymous No.1321115]

>>1320589
Under a few conditions of course. One being that they keep Clouds original Soldier uniform and do not include the new alterations made to it in any way. And they can't change his attitude at all, because I can see them making him all emo n shit, and completely chaning his dialogue to fit it. You can't just add all this shit as fan service.

[Anonymous No.1321134]

>>1321031
I thought that part was alright.

[Anonymous No.1321140]

>>1320909
Correct, their is a game like RE on a 8-bit console.

[Anonymous No.1321223]

>>1320589
Square said it would be expensive to remake and quite difficult, it terms of programming and other things.

I would like to see a remake, at the very least just to see what it would actually look like.
I think it would be quite difficult to recreate a lot of the scenes and humour in a modern, realistic looking engine though.
Like the bit where Cloud cross-dresses to name one.

[Anonymous No.1321237]

>>1320935
Proof where?

[Anonymous No.1321258]

>>1321237
Playing FFV and Chrono Trigger next to it.

[Anonymous No.1321261]

>>1321258
name one area that has bad looking backgounds. +2 points if you can provide the screen shot.

[Anonymous No.1321290]

>>1321261
I don't have an SNES emulator installed, but I can name one pretty easily. The part where rocks fall to cover the entrance to the esper world looks comically bad. Reminds me of scooby-doo, how the moveable objects clash noticeably with the immovable backgrounds. The town where the showdown with kefka and leo takes place looks awful. Its supposed to be the climax of the first act and you get an undetailed "generic town" with like 1 tree in the center of the screen.

[Anonymous No.1321298]

One of the excuses I heard was that SE isn't happy where Final Fantasy is right now, and feel like they won't do a remake justice until they step it up.
Basically the only thing that have done right to Final Fantasy in recent times was to make XIV a playable MMO.
They also dropped the handheld remakes (before making V and VI!) for cheaper RPGMaker copies on phones.

[Anonymous No.1321306]

>>1321298
The only square-enix game I've purchased in the last decade was FFIV complete, just because its my favorite in the series and I buy any re-release. Wake me up when they make a new original Final Fantasy that rocks. It won't happen, ever. Square doesn't have the talent anymore. JRPGs are something of a slump in general (there are still good ones, but nothing like the glory days), and Final Fantasy worse than most.

[Anonymous No.1321315]

>>1321290
Those areas looked just fine. What are you going on about. Different person by the way.

[Anonymous No.1321316]

>>1321134

ya that is funny....but i mean this scene in cloud's head and that horrible story cloud tells at the Kalm inn.....those 2 parts are my least favorite parts in ff7 and i can't wait for them to end.

[Anonymous No.1321319]

>>1321315
Like any background in 6, they look way worse than anything in FF7. And 4&5's tilesets compliment the sprites better.

[Anonymous No.1321502]

>>1321306
>Wake me up when they make a new original Final Fantasy that rocks.

Your alarm is already ringing, anon. Time to play Dissidia Duodecim.

[Anonymous No.1321515]

>>1321049
>But they haven't selling well outside of Japan, except for Pokémon.

What does this have to do with my post? Also, what does this have to do with FINAL FANTASY of all game series?

[Anonymous No.1321523]

>>1320609
>That's only for idiots and children who would react like that
So most gamers in general? If I learned anything from being a fan of nitnendo games it's that people are fucking retarded when it comes to their childhood shit.

[Anonymous No.1321526]

>>1320606
V was the best FF.

[Anonymous No.1321531]

There is no benefit to making a remake except for terrible terrible reasons such as:

1) For the benefit of graphic whores
2) So the developers can make a few extra dollars without needing to come up with any new ideas

In short, remakes are ALL terrible and I would pee on every single one. Just use those resources to make a new fucking game.

[Anonymous No.1321532]

>>1320634
>It would cost as much as doing an entirely new game.
It would probably cost less since most of the basic framework is there.

[Anonymous No.1321542]

>>1321531
>In short, remakes are ALL terrible and I would pee on every single one.

Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.1321562]

>>1321542
I struggle to think of a remake that wasn't a lazy cash-in.

[Anonymous No.1321569]

>>1321562

That's because you're an idiot shitting on things he's never experienced.

REmake
Final Fantasy IV DS
Bionic Commando Rearmed

Just off the top of my head

[Anonymous No.1321578]

>>1321569
All remakes are inherently lazy. All the technology assembled for remakes could have been used to make a brand new game,cut the developers didn't want to draft up new ideas.

REmake was probably the least lazy of all remakes since at least a bit of it was redesigned.

[Anonymous No.1321592]

>>1321578
Thank you for confirming you've never even played the three games I listed so I can stop responding to your dumb ass right here.

[Anonymous No.1321606]

>>1321569
>FF IV DS
>remakes with worse graphics than the original

WHY

[Anonymous No.1321625]

>>1321606
>caring about graphics
>implying anyone plays FFIV DS for the graphics

apply yourself

[Anonymous No.1321628]

>>1321562
>Klonoa
>Kirby super Star Ultra
>REmake
>Any pokemon Remake
Honestly, I think it's 50/50 hit or miss for most remakes

[Anonymous No.1321643]

>>1321592
Ignoring the fact that you are a samefag agressively replying to everybody in this thread, you are confirmed for not reading my post.

It doesn't matter what little features those remakes added (though I would love to hear what is so dramatic about them), because a brand new game could have been made instead of them.

[Anonymous No.1321648]

>>1321625
>video game
>video
>game
>video
>making excuses for a game looking like garbage compared to a 20 year old title that it is attempting to "improve"

Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.

[Anonymous No.1321664]

Yknow if they ever do remake FF7, i just want the following
>Analog stick support
>up goes up, down goes down, not up goes up-left or down goes left depending on environment
>update character models with something close to FF8-9, ?chrono cross?, advent children or not...dont really care
thats it i guess. they dont have to remake from the ground up, just change a little of this a little of that. at this point, i dont really want a remake at least since i can download it a rom or get it at the PS store

[Anonymous No.1321674]

>>1321643
>Ignoring the fact that you are a samefag agressively

I'm not samefagging, you idiot. Where in this thread did I try to appear to be anyone else?

>It doesn't matter what little features those remakes added

They weren't "little" features at all, and you'd know that if you actually bothered to play the games instead of just shitting on everything like an idiot. FFIV revamped the bosses and added an augment system, meaning the strategies you used on older games would just not work. Bionic Commando Rearmed kept the same gameplay in place while throwing in new level design and creative bosses that were more difficult to fight and had overall better design than the ones in the NES game. And REmake added a number of puzzles to the game, some new bosses, and altered the mansion layout of the game. Oh, and they also gave it better graphics, better voice acting, and made the game much scarier.These games are drastically different experiences.

So like I said, yes, you are a retard who's just shitting on things he's never played. No one who's actually played any of those remakes is going to tell you that they're the same experience.

>>1321648

Wasn't the point, retard. The gameplay is what matters. You think people on /vr/ of all places would be willing to focus on gameplay, but here we are.

For whatever it's worth, FF games on the SNES never looked particularly great.

[Anonymous No.1321701]

>>1321674
They do look good, and (4 and 5 at least) look very internally consistent. They do look like upscaled 8 bit games, though, if that's what you mean. But even the original Final Fantasy is more pleasing on the eyes than the two 3d remakes on the DS.

[Anonymous No.1321702]

>>1321674
For something to be a remake it has to retain something from the original. In the example you gave of FFIV changing the gameplay, then why not change the story? Oh right because that would require somebody to come up with a new idea, and design some brand new locations from scratch. It's easier and lazier just to use an existing blueprint.

No matter what you do to a remake it's still a rehash. If enough was changed it would be called a new game.

[Anonymous No.1321763]

>>1321578
>>1321643
He mentioned FFIV for the DS. That game its self was more of a remake than REmake was. They went in and added a good amount of post game stuff, completely overhauled the magic system, and upped the overall difficulty of the game just to name a handful of the changes they made. Not all remakes are great (most of the times they are shitty ports) but when they are done properly (key word here PROPERLY) they can be better than the originals.

Sometimes its just nice to have a game remade so you don't have to emulate it or search for archaic hardware that is hard to find in useable condition.

>>1321702
>For something to be a remake it has to retain something from the original. In the example you gave of FFIV changing the gameplay, then why not change the story?

Then it would not be a remake of FFIV now would it? It would be a new game. The point of a remake is not to make a new game or as you see it "rehash" an old game. Its to breath new life into a series. You allow the great games of yesteryear a chance to stack up to new stuff that is coming out. New gamers will discover the game and see it as it the same way you did 20 years ago, at the standard of gaming they are use to. Old fans of the series can play it on modern hardware. If you put time into the remake there is no reason for studios to have to make "call of duty: Yearly release # who cares" or "Super mario: how long have we been making the same fucking game now?"

[Anonymous No.1321774]

>>1321763
>The point of a remake is not to make a new game or as you see it "rehash" an old game. Its to breath new life into a series.
Old games can always be played on new hardware (e.g. PCs) via emulators. That is where the new life comes from.

The REAL purpose of a remake is my earlier post here >>1321531
And it's a bad purpose.

[Anonymous No.1321798]

>>1321763
>He mentioned FFIV for the DS. That game its self was more of a remake than REmake was.

Samefag here

RE Director's Cut
>beginner, original and advanced mode

REmake
>pre-choice difficulty system, additional puzzles, lisa trevor content with extended outdoors and cave system, invisible enemy mode, real survival mode, crimson heads, self defense weapons, one dangerous zombie, additional costumes.

You sure about that?

[Anonymous No.1321821]

>>1321774
Go put a super Nintendo in front of an 8year old, if you dont have the system an emulator will work and have them play the games you grew up on. Chances are they will not care about how deep the story is, what the game play is like they will see crappy graphics and write it off as an old POS game (the same way movies from the 30's are done today). Ask a casual CoD fan to play the original DOOM. They will say the game sucks and list off a number or reasons why. The graphic whores are not even the biggest cause of this. To a modern gamer old games just feel dated. There are features that the originals did not have for what ever reason that people have come accustomed to. Properly done remakes should offer 2 versions of the game, a revamped version that feels like a game made yesterday and a "classic" version that has updated graphics and control mappings (in the case of things like the N64) but all the modern assistance like maps, in game hints, way points etc would be gone.

New life is not found in emulation what once was, but updating a game to meet the current standards, and finding a new fanbase in those that would normally write it off. Yes many remakes are done sometime to milk more money from a franchise. To completely write off all remakes like that is some bull shit though. With a once again as he said a PROPERLY DONE remake the experience is better than playing an emulator. With my PC I can't enjoy the feeling of a real controller and the comfort of my couch with the game on the TV. Sure there are wireless controllers and HDMI ports on any decent pc now but that does not capture the game the same way. Remakes let old games just play properly on new hardware. No smoothing or filters are needed games are adjusted for the 16:9 world we live in. The graphics don't even need a huge change, they just have to be adjusted from 4:3 to 16:9 and the game play is greatly improved.

[Anonymous No.1321836]

>>1321821
If people aren't interested in enough in the old games to deal with the old graphics, then developers should be making brand new entries in the series for these people (which would come with brand new graphics). Graphics alone don't win people over unless they actually are graphic whores.

There's no better way to declare "my series is stagnant" than to resort to making remakes rather than new games.

[Anonymous No.1321839]

>>1321821

Just FYI, the guy you're responding to hasn't actually played any remakes and just irrationally hates them and will continue to call something like REmake a rehash even though it's honestly not.

[Anonymous No.1321842]

>>1321839
>will continue to call something like REmake a rehash even though it's honestly not.
I said REmake is one of the least rehashy of the remakes. But it's still not a new game

[Anonymous No.1321849]

>>1321842
>But it's still not a new game

And this is exactly what I meant by the "he hasn't played them" comment. You think he'd try to make it less obvious, but eh, what can you do?

Don't waste your time with him. He's either incredibly dense or a ruseman. You have better things to do with your time. I don't know anything about you, but I assure you of this.

[Anonymous No.1321853]

>>1321842
>it's still not a new game
No shit. It's a remake. As in making another version of something old.

I'll take a remake of a good game over a half assed new title or bad sequel. There are too many bad games flooding the market as is.

[Anonymous No.1321870]

>>1321842
Anyone with common sense will tell you RE and REmake are practically different games, this is not up for debate.

[Anonymous No.1321875]

>>1321870
Or anyone who's actually aware of the content present in both games.

Which the guy in this thread clearly is not.

[Anonymous No.1321892]

>>1321849
>>1321853
>>1321870
>>1321875
lol I think I am actually the only person who has played REmake, or at the very least has mental recollection of the game

The general plot is the same. It's basically a retelling of the story, with added Lisa Trevor bits.

The general layout of the mansion is the same. There are a few new rooms, and some minor layout modifications though. There are quite a number of new puzzles (but not all new). Some new enemies here and there. But the general play of the game is the same.

It's no different than a (competent) Hollywood remake of an old film. It has a large number of unique flairs to call its own, but to call it a practically different game than the original is extreme hyperbole.

[Anonymous No.1321894]

>>1321892
>lol I think I am actually the only person who has played REmake, or at the very least has mental recollection of the game

No person who's played RE/REmake think they're the same game. You're likely being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

[Anonymous No.1321901]

>>1321894
>No person who's played RE/REmake think they're the same game. You're likely being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

>another person has a different opinion than me, therefore their opinion is contrary to EVERYBODY

[Anonymous No.1321903]

>>1321901
>opinions

This ain't about opinions, son. It's about observing the things that are actually in the game, and someone who claims they're the same is not paying much attention.

Nice of you to default back to that garbage "but it's my opinion" nonsense in regards to something that's not about opinions, though.

[Anonymous No.1321909]

>>1321903
>It's about observing the things that are actually in the game
Alright, tell me why REmake is SO different it can be considered a brand new game to the original. I've already listed a few differences, so you can add to that as a start.

[Anonymous No.1321908]

>>1321901
>hurrr i'll be vague and say the gameplay and plot is the same
>opinion

I guess RE2 is the same game too since it has the same number of key uses and the same general layout.

[Anonymous No.1321913]

>>1321909
see
>>1321798

[Anonymous No.1321915]

>>1321909
We've already gone over the differences. In fact, I suspect that you're the guy from earlier that hasn't played REmake, if only for the fact that you're repeating vague details that were already posted in this very thread.

For anyone to sit down and call REmake the same game in spite of its new puzzles, new enemies, new bosses, layout changes, defense weapons, new game modes, new graphics, new voice acting, etc is a moron.

[Anonymous No.1321916]

>>1321908
>I guess RE2 is the same game too since it has the same number of key uses and the same general layout.
RE2 has
>a brand new story that follows on the original story, but doesn't reiterated it (except zombies)
>a brand new location, with not even one room copy and pasted out of the original
>with brand new item layouts
>all brand new characters
>not even one puzzle copied out of the original, just similar door/key system for progression

Are you actually this dense offline?

[Anonymous No.1321923]

>>1321913
>>1321915
Nothing was explained except that REmake has a few extra game modes that sit on top of the origial game and the aforementioned bonus content/layout/puzzle MODIFICATIONS and (minor) enemy ADDITIONS.

[Anonymous No.1321920]

>>1321916
>not even one puzzle copied out of the original

Well this is just wrong considering RE2 has those same box pushing puzzles for starters. And if you're going to consider REmake's puzzles the same based on similarity, then RE2's are the same.

[Anonymous No.1321928]

>>1321923
>Nothing was explained
>except all this stuff that was explained

[Anonymous No.1321930]

>>1321923
The general atmosphere of the game is completely different as well. It uses mostly new music as well.

[Anonymous No.1321931]

>>1321920
>Well this is just wrong considering RE2 has those same box pushing puzzles for starters.
Do you push them in the exact same direction? Do the rooms which you push them in have any similarities between games?

If not, it's not a copied puzzle. It's a new puzzle that involves similar mechanics to solve it. It's like saying that all crossword puzzles are the same because they all involve filling words into little boxes.

[Anonymous No.1321935]

>>1321928
All that was explained was the additions. Nobody has explained why this additions suffice as "a brand new game". Honestly I don't even know why I am arguing this considering I could find a TRILLION sources on the internet that describe REmake as a "Remake of Resident Evil".

[Anonymous No.1321937]

If REmake was the same game as RE, it would be RE.

Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.1321941]

>>1321935
>describe REmake as a "Remake of Resident Evil".

No one is arguing this point, dipshit. In fact, we KNOW it's a remake. That should be evidenced by the fact we keep referring to it as REmake. We're arguing whether or not it's the same game. Which it's not. If it was, it would be a PORT.

[Anonymous No.1321950]

I don't think many people understand that the Squaresoft we know and love died with The Spirits Within and FFX.

If Square collectively had a quarter of a brain cell firing, they wouldn't have completely butchered the compilation. If Square used cel shading techniques similar to Valkyria Chronicles, there would be no problem. Changing Aeris to Aerith was perhaps one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen in the video game industry.

[Anonymous No.1321953]

>>1321950
>FFX

I like X-2

And Bravely Default comes out in a month. They ain't 90s Square, but there's a nugget of gold here and there.

[Anonymous No.1321957]

>>1321950
It represents her strong connection to the Earth.

[Anonymous No.1321964]

Advent Children was off the chain so badass, if they remade VII I'd buy it wanted to play it for a while even have it at home but I don't really like Final Fantasy, boring as fuck, long and hard (like my dick lol).

I kinda want to pick up the Steam version since it looks better and has the difficulty reducer. Maybe I should do that and stop my moaning.

[Anonymous No.1321969]

>>1321957
>It represents her strong connection to the Earth.

I'm talking PR-wise. Also, who gives a fuck? If you play the game, it doesn't matter, because that connection is made apparent by subtle means that aren't totally blunt and base-breaking.

[Anonymous No.1321974]

>>1321964
>difficulty reducer

Game is easy already

[Anonymous No.1321971]

>>1321964
I pity you, and I'm pretty sure older gamers everywhere would as well. How does it feel? You missed out on the glorious golden age of gaming, son.

[Anonymous No.1321983]

>>1321971
I grew up with an NES I didn't miss shit. I've played most of what I missed through my retro collection or emus.

Just not RPGs, I can't stomach retro turn based combat.

J don't buy into golden age bullshit anyway, I'll always love Mario games but I'd still take BF4 on my XBO anyday. Objectively superior.

[Anonymous No.1321989]

>>1321974
Retro easy doesn't mean anything. If you die more than 3 times on one part, its too hard, excluding some games like Megaman or those obnoxious hard indie games or * Souls.

[Anonymous No.1321991]

>>1321941
No a PORT is the game transferred to another platform in its original unaltered state (or as an updated re-release).

An updated re-release is the original unaltered game with some extra content on top.

A remake is the original unaltered game where at least one aspect of the game (like the graphics for example) have been remade from scratch.

A brand new game is a game where the designs "as is" (as in the same definition taken by copyright law) are not based on the previous game. Ideas can be carried over from the previous game (such as zombies, or gameplay mechanics) but things like level/item layouts must be original.

[Anonymous No.1321993]

>>1321935
Holy shit. The levels of dumbassery are absurd in this one.

Let me lay down some terminology you should know. The reason you are sounding this stupid may be due to you not knowing what the hell you are talking about.

>Port - making a 1 to 1 copy of a game from one system to another. A port is the same game no mater what system you are on. Game "X" for the NES is identical to Game "X" for the PS3.

>Remake - taking and old game and updating it for new hardware, and adding new additional content or difficulties. Same story + new content. A remake is NOT the same game. Game "X" for the NES is similar but not the same as Game "X" for the PS3. The PS3 version will have stuff the NES version does not.

here are some examples of a remake
RE =/= REmake. That is why we call it "remake" not a port.
Link's awakening =/= Link's awakening DX. You get the original game in addition to extra stuff.


A remake is often times better than the original, a port is a shameless money grab.

[Anonymous No.1322013]

>>1321993
>Link's awakening =/= Link's awakening DX
Hahaha.

Alright buddy.

[Anonymous No.1322035]

>>1322013
Its not the same game. Hes not wrong. Dx is a remake. Prove me wrong if its not.

[Anonymous No.1322040]

>>1322035
>Its not the same game. Hes not wrong. Dx is a remake. Prove me wrong if its not.
If people are fixated on using their (incorrect) semantics, then it's very difficult to convince them otherwise.

I'm not even going to bother. As a final comment (no pun intended) all I'm going to say is that a Final Fantasy VII remake would be worse than the remake of the movie Psycho. That is all.

[Anonymous No.1322254]

>>1321821
>Go put a super Nintendo in front of an 8year old, if you dont have the system an emulator will work and have them play the games you grew up on. Chances are they will not care about how deep the story is, what the game play is like they will see crappy graphics and write it off as an old POS game
my 6 year old niece loves Yoshi's Island and other old SNES era games
>(the same way movies from the 30's are done today)
okay, I get it, you're talking about tasteless idiots, not real people

[Anonymous No.1323607]

>>1322254
>Yoshi's Island
>One of the most colorful child like games.
Your niece is a minority.
Put a different game like A link to the past, Super metroid, or Secrets of mana in one of those gamestop style game kiosk stands (pic related) and most kids who walk up to it will say the game sucks. Hell even asking a kid to go back a play a prequel to a new game and they will often complain about it. This can be easily shown with the Street Fighter series. Have a kid who loves street fighter 4 on the 360 play the SNES version. They will say the game sucks.
>okay, I get it, you're talking about tasteless idiots, not real people
That is the way real people think. Unless they have a passion or interest in something they will not look at all aspects. They will take something for what its worth upon first look.

[Anonymous No.1323624]

>>1323607
but the snes version does suck.
Play the arcade version like a real man!

[Anonymous No.1323641]

>>1323607
I run a game club for children ages 8 - 13, and guess what? Retro games are a hit. But I guess every single child in there, and there are 12 regulars, and around 10 who pop in and out, are all in this minority you speak of. Not one child who's shown up has ever taken issue with how "old" the games are.

[Anonymous No.1323647]

>>1323607
The only kids who think like that are typically spoiled little shits who have been raised to believe that newer=more expensive=better

[Anonymous No.1323664]

>>1323641
How many kids show up to this club and how many kids are in this age group in the area? Chances are they are a small percentage.
>>1323647
So in other words most of the kids now a days.

[Anonymous No.1323684]

>>1323664
>So in other words most of the kids now a days.
no, not most of the kids, unless you live in a gated community or something

[Anonymous No.1323698]

>>1323664
Pretty small town, population of around 10,000. Like I said, we've got twelve I'd call regulars, and around ten who pop in and out.

[Anonymous No.1323725]

>>1323664
>>1323698
Forgot to answer how many are in the age group, I'd guesstimate anywhere from 60 - 80?

[Anonymous No.1323794]

>>1323684
Or the inner city. Retro gaming is a rather niche hobby.

>>1323725
>>1323698
Thats expected from a small town. If you were to look at a city like New York or LA the numbers would be much larger, but the amount of kids who are interested in retro games would not be proportional. There is just more to do in a larger town so old games don't have the same appeal.

[Anonymous No.1323841]

PS1 FFs are too big to be properly remade in 3D, development of one remake would take whole generation

[Anonymous No.1323848]

i'd rather have a 2d remake of ff7

[Anonymous No.1323850]

why would you want a remake of a game that works perfectly fine? legitimate question. also
>modern square

[Anonymous No.1323859]

>>1323848
I would so play that if it were on the GBA or DS. Fuck the 3ds though. Maybe even psp but I can get the original on that...

[Anonymous No.1323878]

>>1323850
Because new graphics, an improved translation, and most importantly, new content.

If there's anything Square can be trusted with in the last 10 years or so, it's upgrading older titles.

[Anonymous No.1323882]

>>1323878
Really now. Have you played any of the FF7 spinoffs? Crisis Core was disgusting, and that was apparently one of the better ones. I never dug to the bottom of the barrel.

[Anonymous No.1323889]

>>1323882
>Crisis Core was disgusting
I'll admit, it's barely a Final Fantasy game, but what's bad about it?
I played it and had a great time.

[Anonymous No.1323893]

>>1323882
>spinoffs

I said upgrading older titles, not making spinoffs. I'm referring to The updating other FF games such as FFIV, V, and VI.

[Anonymous No.1323894]

>>1323889
he overwrought...well, everything. The villain was supposed to be tragic and deep, but came off as the wrong type of silly. The ending was so drawn out and overdone that none of the tragedy of the scene was able to escape at all. Pretty sure in FF7 he just gets shot by some Shinra soldiers, not faces down an army battalion. Worst thing is that it doesn't look like FF7 at all. Everything is so drab and colorless. The gameplay was really shallow, too.

Music was pretty good though.

[Anonymous No.1323897]

>>1323848
FUND IT

[Anonymous No.1323901]

>>1320634
Yeah, this is bull shit, even if the assets of the game had to be redone, they have the story characters, art and framework. This alone is less than your "from scratch" claim. Jesus christ people are stupid. I bet you think games are just programming huh?

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1323927]

>>1323894
>Pretty sure in FF7 he just gets shot by some Shinra soldiers, not faces down an army battalion
Sadly, subtlety seems to be a lost art in modern JRPG's. Zack's death in the original game was brutally honest. He died a cheap sucker death, and was left alone and forgotten.

[Anonymous No.1324523]

>>1323848
I believe there's a rom like that for nes.

[Anonymous No.1324534]

>>1320589

I think for a remake of FF7 to be successful in pleasing the fans, there are a lot of compromises to be made. Unfortunately, a lot of people seen to view Advent Children as a template for a remake of the original game, which is quite tragic in itself. For one, I thought Advent Children was bad because the art style and general tone clashed deeply with the original game. Oil, renaming Aeris, over-the-top fight sequences, and Rufus being alive are utterly absurd on any level if someone has played FF7 to completion and absorbed the themes of the story.

These issues are easily remedied however. Cel-shading would go a long way in expressing the original direction of the game, as it fits with the concept art and final execution of the original game. It would also fix the apparent aging of Final Fantasy VII and make it more timeless, which is something that the game desperately needs at this point. I've said it before, but Valkyria Chronicles has a wonderful system of shaders that I believe Final Fantasy VII would benefit greatly from.

There are other issues I'd like to address, but I don't have the energy to talk about them now.

[Anonymous No.1324957]

>>1324534
celshading is a great idea.

I'd like to hear your other ideas

[Anonymous No.1324964]

Would cost them a fortune to remake it in the sense that the fans want (complete overhaul, not simply upped at higher resolutions, which has already been done with the pc version). Only appeals to a niche audience.

[Anonymous No.1324996]

>Censorship
Nah.

[Anonymous No.1325003]

>>1324996
Considering that recent mainstream games have had straight-up nudity, including the penis, that wouldn't be an issue. Also the sheer gore and general gruesomeness in games like Fallout 3 and Spec Ops: The Line.