This game marked the death of Dreamcast. Fucking lazy ass game. Recycled levels/assets everywhere, Hero and Dark bullshit. Garbage treasure hunting and mech levels... FUCK, the only good sonic game is Sonic Generations, even the old ones aren't that good.

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Anonymous Mon Dec 30 06:27:09 2013 No.1304839 [Reply] [Original]

This game marked the death of Dreamcast.

Fucking lazy ass game. Recycled levels/assets everywhere, Hero and Dark bullshit.

Garbage treasure hunting and mech levels... FUCK, the only good sonic game is Sonic Generations, even the old ones aren't that good.

CA_Abdulio Mon Dec 30 06:32:38 2013 No.1304840

Nope....stupid management marked the death of the Dreamcast.

But this game was an overrated rush job responsible for inspiring thousands of children to take the tales of a cartoon hedgehog who can run really fast into garbage DBZ fanfictions, which in turn created millions of furries with terrible OCs with weird ass super powers.

Nah, it marked the end of Sonic as a popular brand and the beginning of Sonic as a niche market.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 06:34:08 2013 No.1304841 File: 13 KB, 266x350, 134703996750.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Incredibly, SA and SA2 aren't that bad in comparison to the PS2 games/Sonic 06. But I still prefer the Genesis trilogy and Sonic 2 on SMS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 06:48:38 2013 No.1304846 >>1304839 It was fun

>>	I ain't tripfagging !!jIVnZZY3Z6j Mon Dec 30 07:11:13 2013 No.1304860 File: 189 KB, 780x770, coldsteelhedgehog.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1304840 neverforget.jpg

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 07:11:42 2013 No.1304859 The definition of this game and the original Sonic Adventure is "ok".

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:35:24 2013 No.1304905 >>1304840 I don't usually do this, but >>>/v/ this board is probably more your speed, tiger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:35:46 2013 No.1304906 File: 9 KB, 320x224, Sonic2-ashura[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1304840 People have been doing that since Sonic 2. And platformers were always a niche thing (unless you were 12) compared to sports games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:43:48 2013 No.1304910 >>1304840 Video games in general were not considered "cool" by the mainstream until the PS2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:49:19 2013 No.1304914 >>1304910 >what is pong >what is pacman Oh right, you were too young to experience in the early 80s.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:30:48 2013 No.1304938 File: 74 KB, 426x426, 1388101729714.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1304860 what in the name of all that is holy is this.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:43:18 2013 No.1304946 >>1304943 wh-whaaa.. Post More.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:49:18 2013 No.1304952 File: 211 KB, 1137x899, silverknux bs.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1304943

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 10:12:21 2013 No.1304963 >>1304839 >>1304839 >>1304839 Best non-genesis sanic game. Dem chao. Dat story, dem different levels, and all dose features. One of my fave games of all time. #rekt

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 10:20:21 2013 No.1304971

SA2 was flawed. A lot of the boss battles were extremely droll and the game's difficulty really dropped to stupid levels at some points. However, I thought the Sonic and Shadow levels were pretty fun, and so was raising those cute little Chao. I was also allowed to sadistically torture Omochao until he cries, which gives me a big hard one.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 10:29:51 2013 No.1304982

>>1304971
>A lot of the boss battles were extremely droll
Boss battles have never been the series' strong point. There's only a few games where I could honestly say I enjoyed more than one or two bosses, so I don't feel like mediocre bosses are something I could hold against any one Sonic game specifically unless they were especially terrible like in Sonic Rush.
Also, I don't think "droll" means what you think it means.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 10:31:52 2013 No.1304985

>>1304982
No, I really mean troll. They make me laugh, but they're awful. I'm talking about the flying airship bosses in particular, some of the bosses were decent. The flying airship ones just fucking fly around shooting nothing while you grapple onto a while, standing perfectly still as they struggle to find you. It is as thought they hired blind pilots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 10:33:21 2013 No.1304986 I agree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 12:42:45 2013 No.1305094 I spent way too much time playing this, shitty as it was. Most of my time was spent raising chao though. >>1304860 Obviously fake, but I did appreciate that whoever made this put ear piercings in his hair.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 12:49:45 2013 No.1305095
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Not trolling but why are the fanatic Sonic fans so retarded?

The story is garbage and has no importance on the games, but all fuckers are taking it too seriously with garbage fan fiction and characters 8dontsteal8 ...

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 12:56:45 2013 No.1305102

>>1305095
The story absolutely has importance. Not nearly as much as the gameplay, no, but it certainly matters.

Tell me what's wrong with the story without using the word "edgy", and without saying something like "IT DOESN'T BELONG IN A GAME FEATURING A CARTOON HEDGEHOG".

>>	Smile Mon Dec 30 12:58:15 2013 No.1305104 sa2 is the only good 3d sonic, and the last great sonic game period generations and colors are mediocre, sa1 is shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:09:15 2013 No.1305113 >>1305104 Sonic Generations is better than SA1 and SA2. It's fact.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:11:15 2013 No.1305114 >>1305102 Are you fucking serious No I'm serious are you fucking me here The story is literally fanfic quality man come on.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:14:17 2013 No.1305116

>>1305113
I'm sort of conflicted. I'd agree it's better than SA1, but SA2 has 10 great Sonic/Shadow levels, while Sonic Generations only has 9 different stages. The classic Sonic versions of the stages are mediocre and forgettable and just make me wish I was playing the Genesis games, and the modern Sonic stages are pretty solid, but bogged down with shitty 2D segments everywhere. It's a tough call.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:20:17 2013 No.1305124

>>1305114
If it is so bad then you should no trouble pointing out the issues with it without using the word "edgy" and without saying "B-BUT, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT".

If you must know my personal opinion on the matter, I think the story is average. Not bad, but not good either.
On the other hand, I think the stories we have in modern Sonic games are absolute shit, and do a disservice to the series and every character on screen with every second of their run time, so take that as you will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:23:48 2013 No.1305129 >>1305104 its actually pretty awful, minus a few good parts once you stop being ten, the game becomes shit again

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:24:17 2013 No.1305136

>>1305124
Giving Sonic characters love interests no matter whether or not they're implied, anything involving voice acting because it's all terrible, using the biggest sci-fi cliches ever, I don't know how you couldn't think of it as the lowest of the low. Read a book or something.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:45:47 2013 No.1305174

>>1305136
>Giving Sonic characters love interests no matter whether or not they're implied
I don't really give a shit one way or the other as long as it isn't the focus and as long as humans stay out of it. I didn't mind it in CD or Adventure, and I don't mind it with Rouge and Knuckles here.
I hope you aren't seriously implying that Shadow was in love with Maria.

>anything involving voice acting because it's all terrible
Sure, I agree the voice acting is poor a lot of the time. No Sonic game has ever had good voice acting as far as I'm concerned though (except for Eggman, Eggman always sounds great).
Anyway, I'm not talking about the presentation of the story. I'm talking about the story itself.

>using the biggest sci-fi cliches ever
Elaborate. Tell me why these cliches are problematic.

>I don't know how you couldn't think of it as the lowest of the low
In terms of how it's constructed I think it's pretty good.
The pacing is excellent - things start small and reveals are made at just the right time to maintain interest and build to a proper conclusion, characters are juggled pretty well with each of them having their moments, stages are well integrated into the story rather than just being there (Knuckles stages are often an exception though), and scenes and dialogue are pretty memorable.
That's enough to make up for everything else and balance shit out so it's just average overall to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:54:48 2013 No.1305187 File: 93 KB, 762x1048, 1388429658474.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is now a [YOUR NAME] the Hedgehog thread. Note: I did not draw this, nor is this deviantart account mine.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:54:48 2013 No.1305189

>>1304840

>Niche market

Children are not a niche market.

Sega shifted entirely to focus on the child market because Sonic was incredibly popular with them, more important they had no attachment to the older titles, hence they could try as many things as they wanted with the franchise.

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Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:00:47 2013 No.1305196

>>1305174
>stages are well integrated into the story rather than just being there
They really aren't, though. The stages are and always have been about as important as they were on the Genesis. You run through various environments. The story just shouldn't even be there. It's bad and gives Sonicfags something to take overly seriously. The game could function perfectly in its entirety without it. All of the dialogue could take place within the game and it would be totally understandable. Except in Shadow which is one of the worst games ever made anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:05:47 2013 No.1305204 File: 78 KB, 546x722, 251321334038.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1305187 That's odd, I had a whole folder full of John the Hedgehog OCs for just such occasions, but I can't seem to find it now. This will have to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:09:48 2013 No.1305208 File: 1.65 MB, 1152x768, 1388430558529.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1305187 Man, this nigga didn't even try.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:18:50 2013 No.1305221

>>1304839

The old ones *are* good, though. If you look at them objectively, compared to the majority of platformers at the time, they were in the very top tier for pretty much every criteria. I'm not even talking nostalgia here, if you do a retrospective, they're still extremely polished and playable, with some amazing music.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:20:06 2013 No.1305226

>>1305196
You need SOME Story. SOME context to get shit off the ground.
I'd prefer the way Sonic 3 & Knuckles handled it, with a simple universal story, short scenes with you often still in control, and shit going on in the background, but as long as the games are going to have cutscenes, I think the way SA2 handled things is the way to do it.
The cutscenes and stages flow one into the other pretty well in that game. Sonic jumps out of a helicopter taking part of a wing with him? Stage begins with Sonic falling out of the sky and then using that part of the wing like a snowboard. Eggman kidnaps Amy and tells you to get the fuck over there? The stage is you getting the fuck over there, with Eggman yelling at you to hurry up the entire time. It works well, and most of the stages have some purpose like that.
It's certainly better than in Sonic Adventure where all you get is "WE HAVE TO FIND THE CHAOS EMERALDS! ONE'S IN THE OBLIGATORY ICE LEVEL YOU SAY? GUESS I'D BETTER GET GOING THEN" and it's certainly better than in every game since where the stages have fuck all connection to the story that the game shoves down your throat.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:27:06 2013 No.1305234

>>1305102
Not him and not dissing the story but too me it was the first sonic game I had played for a while. I always remembered it being light hearted and fun. Then you got to the backstory with Eggman's uncle or whatever and the government's misdeads and suddenly that light heartedness disappeared. It felt like they were trying something new and fleshing out a story but in a way that just didn't sit well with me in what I expected in a sonic game. I also felt the whole seen with Shadow falling towards the Earth kinda cheesy and not really needed.

Maybe I'm wrong but it's been forever since I played it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:30:36 2013 No.1305237 >>1305226 Oops, forgot to mention that GUN is still chasing you in City Escape, so the story is still sort of in progress while you play the stage. The gameplay and story don't have this big wall between them, that was my point.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:47:06 2013 No.1305269

>>1305221
Eh. The majority of level designs in Genesis Sanics are pretty poor, in my opinion.

Just a lot of dumb set pieces and stupid gimmicks that get in the way of actual platforming, and a lot of "hold right" sections. Sonic 3 and Knuckles are probably the worst offenders.

Ristar is infinitely better than any Sanic game, btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:53:06 2013 No.1305276 >>1305269 I agree with you on Ristar, but the Genesis Sonic games, and in particular the first one, had great level design.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 14:57:36 2013 No.1305281 >>1305276 >>1305276 First one definitely has the best. 2 pushes it, 3 and Knuckles goes full retard and are the worst.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:04:07 2013 No.1305296 Sonic Adventure and SA2 and SA2:B are all awesome games, faggot. Sonic the Hedgehog 360 is the one you should be whining about.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:04:36 2013 No.1305293

>>1305281
Nah, I think the level design in 3&K is better than 2.
There's significantly less sections where it seems like you are supposed to just go fast but then an enemy or obstacle comes out of nowhere and slaps your shit for thinking that.
Also, 3&K doesn't have Wing Fortress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:06:59 2013 No.1305303 >>1305296 >Sonic Adventure and SA2 and SA2:B are all awesome games, faggot The fact you left out SA:DX because I guess you think it isn't as good as Sonic Adventure is even funnier than the fact you think those games are good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:11:57 2013 No.1305310 Sonic has always been a game that was only good if you played for score or low-time

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:29:43 2013 No.1305347 >>1305310 I'd agree with this for the 3D games, and for the 2D games that clearly have a lot of emphasis on that stuff, like Advance 2 and Rush, but I think the old games are plenty fun to play just for the sake of it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:45:00 2013 No.1305372

>>1305102
I want to say it's cliche, but games can be cliche and still be ok. You can see they had some great ideas (and some really shitty ideas) but they didn't really know how to make it all fit together. and rather than weaving a sensible story they stuck everything together with duct tape. Parts of the game could have been scrapped completely, like Rouge and those driving levels.

Someone said in another thread that they muted the television whenever Sonic would say "woohoo!" in SA1. I laughed but then I realized I did the exact same thing for both games, it was fucking embarrassing listening to the dialogue and Knuckles's music.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:55:29 2013 No.1305386 File: 73 KB, 713x1121, 1388436900240.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1305190 The fuck is this shit? God damn it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 16:01:15 2013 No.1305397 File: 85 KB, 526x602, 1388437271842.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1305187 two fandoms in one bitch nigga

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 16:02:16 2013 No.1305402 >>1304971 >droll >"curious or unusual in a way that provokes dry amusement" >synonyms: Funny, Humorous, Amusing, Comic, Comical, mirthful, hilarious I really wish you fucking tards wouldn't try to use words you don't know the meaning of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 16:03:15 2013 No.1305403 >>1305372 If I was to change one small thing in SA2 it would be making the Knuckles stage rap only do the lyrics once and then just be instrumental. I find them amusing but they get really annoying if you're stuck on a stage.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 16:27:45 2013 No.1305426

I gave up on Sonic after buying Sonic CD for PC. The stage design is a mess and it's like SEGA gave some kid who actually liked Marble and Labyrinth Zone a level editor and told him to go nuts. I suck at 3D games so I never gave Adventure a chance. I still appreciate the music and physics in all the games but playing them makes me wish I was playing Strider instead.

Also the fanbase is terrible but you have to remember that most of them are just kids who like pretending to be someone else. In elementary school Sonic was the shit and a lot of kids pretended to be Power Rangers - today we just see them in action online and while it's cringeworthy, I can't keep pretending that escapism 20 years ago is that much different than escapism today. I ended up a furfag anyway, these kids might as well start early.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 17:22:58 2013 No.1305505 >>1304952 kupo, kupo, kupoppo

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 17:38:28 2013 No.1305528 File: 216 KB, 935x997, 1388443088074.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1305187 feels edgy man

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 18:06:58 2013 No.1305569

I loved SA2 as a kid, thought it was a brilliant game. I bought it on XBLA last year or something knowing it probably hasn't aged well but thought I could have some fun with it and dear god it is a fucking abysmal game. 2 thirds of it is awful, only Sonic and Shadow stages are any fun and then its just runrunrun super fast.

For a sonic game its got a decent enough story, made an impact on me as a kid and the chao garden was fun, but again is incredibly limited and boring as I'm now older. But above all this game changed Robotniks name and while Eggman was his original name that doesn't make it any less shit.

>>	Smile Mon Dec 30 18:11:28 2013 No.1305579 chao garden > treasure hunting > speed > mech

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 18:20:02 2013 No.1305598 >>1305579 Nah Nah dude Speed (SA2) >>> E-102 > Speed (SA1) >>> Tails >>>>>> Amy >> Mech (Eggman) > Treasure Hunting (SA1) > Treasure Hunting (SA2) > Mech (Tails) >>>>> Kart Racing >>> Big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sky Chase

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 19:21:02 2013 No.1305725 >>1305598 Sonic Generations >>>>> all

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 19:32:02 2013 No.1305743 >>1304910 By the mainstream you mean by adults, cus kids thought games were cool all through the 90s. I'm too young to remember the 80s but I hear they were pretty popular then as well. .

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 19:40:32 2013 No.1305762 >>1304839 >the only good sonic game is Sonic Generations ???????

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 03:18:10 2013 No.1306582 Fucking chao breeding

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 03:42:28 2013 No.1306614 >>1304839 OP are you the guy that went bananas the other day?

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 04:38:15 2013 No.1306680

>>1304906
>>1305189
Sports games didn't kill Dreamcast. It was the screw ups by Sega of Japan and the image of a company that was playing catch up that closed people's wallets to Dreamcast.

The PlayStation 2 hype machine just made it all happen faster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 04:52:16 2013 No.1306691 >>1305598 >Sky Chase What was so bad about the Sky Chase levels? It's been a pretty long time since I played the game and I don't remember them being all that bad.

CA_Abdulio Tue Dec 31 04:55:15 2013 No.1306695 [SPOILER]

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>>1304905
>My childhood has been bismirched
>exile him to /v/

Well listen up you, i don't have to...take..your

>sees all the oc bullshit in here
>faggots trying defend a horrid rushjob

........you know what maybe I'll take you up on your offer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 05:03:15 2013 No.1306713 But the texture detail in that game is awesome. Those last DC games had insane texture detail only bettered by the XBox huge. Sega can't make great Sonic games anymore because the people who made all the great Sonic games have pretty much all left.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 05:32:15 2013 No.1306742 File: 14 KB, 225x226, sega_slogan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1304839 Welcome to the next level... of shitposting on /vr/.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 05:44:18 2013 No.1306757

>>1306680
I remember around Christmas after dream cast launch. My dad took me to the store and said I can get a dream cast and 3 games. Looked around. Shitty sonic + sports games wasn't enough to pick 3 games from. My dad let me get 6 n64 games instead.

So I will agree to sports games killing the dc

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 06:03:48 2013 No.1306763 >>1306757 >>1306757 Agreed. So many shit games at least in europe. Best thing was to pirate everything because japan had all those great fighting games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 06:21:49 2013 No.1306773 >>1304943 Segafag red flag is obvious

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 06:57:19 2013 No.1306795 >>1304982 "were never the strong points" blabla Just shut the fuck up, if it wasn't their strong points at least have the decency to make them better and shorter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:07:14 2013 No.1306897 >>1306742 This is why we shouldn't have let Dreamcast discussions take place. It was only a matter of time.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:22:45 2013 No.1306930

For me SA 2 is the best 3d sonic.

For a 10 year old, when I played it, it wowed me. A lot of it as culture pandering as Sega knew its fan base well, but it still worked. I like how responsive the characters were in comparison to sa1 and later sonics and wish they could just use those movement settings in a future release.

That said, sa2 really is just a sloppy sequel as they made the mistake of relying on a glorified tech demo that was sa1 and making it into a full game.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:22:45 2013 No.1306934
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I enjoyed SA2. Do I care about the story? Not really. Nor do I think it's a well designed game, at all. I just have fun playing it. Feels good on my hands. Say what you want OP, you won't get me mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:25:44 2013 No.1306940 >>1306930 >For me SA 2 is the best 3d sonic. I would agree, but being the best 3D Sonic isn't much of an accomplishment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:27:45 2013 No.1306946 >>1306940 So true, but being king of shit mountain still makes you royalty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:03:06 2013 No.1307069 >>1304841 >ps2 games what?

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:15:36 2013 No.1307078

>>1306795
I'm just saying I don't see the point in hating on any particular Sonic game for weak yet innocuous boss fights. It's sort of like praising a particular Sonic game have having good music. It's generally understood that that's the case just by virtue of it being a Sonic game, and therefore not really worth mentioning.
If bosses are exceptionally poor, like in Rush, I'll point it out, like I already said.
If bosses are great and fun to fight, like in Rush Adventure, I'll point it out.
If bosses are typical Sonic fair, I see no reason to bring it up.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:17:36 2013 No.1307080
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>>1306934
>Admits to having no interest in the story
>Admits to thinking the game's design is rubbish
>"I just have fun playing it"
You are exactly the kind of person people think of when they agree with the "Fun is just a buzzword" statement. I was just scrolling down the front page and then I see your post. Now I'm mildly irritated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:20:06 2013 No.1307083 >>1307080 I like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest... you going to get mad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:21:06 2013 No.1307085 >>1307069 Heroes and Shadow. I don't know why anyone would play the PS2 versions of those games though. Heroes and Shadow are already bad enough, no one needs the awful performance of the PS2 versions of those games on top of that.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:45:53 2013 No.1307108

>>1304839
Sonic Adventure 2, for all of its flaws, still brings back fond memories, and makes me wonder why sega never did anything else with it's A-life thing (the Chao gardens).

The SA series introduced a lot of negative features that ended up proliferating and dragging the series into the gutter. By themselves, they're pretty enjoyable, SA2 in particular, especially the Sonic/Shadow stages.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 12:03:53 2013 No.1307134

>>1307108
>negative features that ended up proliferating and dragging the series into the gutter.
Multiple different play-styles didn't have to be a bad thing, it's just that the non-Sonic play-styles were usually very poorly designed, or weren't given the amount of time/attention they really needed.
I don't think the idea is inherently a bad one, aside from the increase in time and effort needed to polish multiple gameplay types.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 12:07:53 2013 No.1307138

>>1307134
You're making assumptions about which features I was referring to. I meant things like the realistic setting compared to the imaginative environments of the earlier game, and adding to that, the bizarre juxtaposition of humans with giant cartoon animals, the plot-heavy focus, and the fact that Sega never did figure out how to get the 3D mechanics to work just right.

Not that I'm a fan of the non-Sonic/Shadow segments.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 15:51:04 2013 No.1307473

I liked sonic adventure. I didn't like 2, the mech stages where clunky and very badly done. And you where forced to play those stages. They where not as bad as the fishing stages though on the first one.

As for shadow, I really enjoyed playing it. That might make a few of you fags mad but I don't give a shit.

Heroes might have been good if there no invisible walls and buggy shit all over the place.

Later games like colours and gens are fucking great though. But once you play through, it is pointless to play them ever again.

Original sonics on the megadrive I keep going back too again and again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 15:56:04 2013 No.1307486 >>1307473 Generations has plenty of replay value. The stages are a lot of fun to try and speedrun or whatever. I agree on Colors though. Focus is more on exploring and using wisp powers rather than going fast, so it's not as fun to replay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 17:05:53 2013 No.1307614 >>1307138 Well robotnik was always human but I can see the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 17:21:23 2013 No.1307627 >>1307486 Yeah, I got generations a bit ago, and it was pretty fun trying to get my GHZ Act 1 time below a minute.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 22:04:22 2013 No.1308013 File: 93 KB, 900x1200, 1388545491407.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1305187 What the fuck is this bullshit, that's a digimon not a hedgehog.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 22:43:56 2013 No.1308081 File: 57 KB, 507x500, ShenmueDCbox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Last time I checked Sonic Adventure didn't have a budget so ridiculously huge every owner of the console had to buy two copies of it to break even.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:15:26 2013 No.1308114 Why does the sonic character attract so much autism? seriously I don't get it

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:24:01 2013 No.1308131

>>1308114
because he was the only one of the two game company mascots that got a comic book, and that comic book encouraged its readers to send in drawings. Those drawings would be published in issues, making them "famous".

Also, by nature it attracts proto-furries

>no one has a better argument than this

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:26:01 2013 No.1308134 >>1308131 it is a compelling argument. but even those that don't know of the comics or anything, or draw even.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:32:31 2013 No.1308146 Great bait. SA2 is the best 3D Sonic game. >That fucking Chao Garden

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:35:31 2013 No.1308151 >>1304860 >hot gurls with big boobys who are sluts

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:36:02 2013 No.1308154 >>1304971 The game was easy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:36:31 2013 No.1308153 I don't understand how SA2 gets so much praise when the mech shooting and emerald hunting levels that nobody likes take up 2/3rds of the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:37:01 2013 No.1308160 File: 45 KB, 140x150, avatar226374_39.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >YFW Shadow was created as a cure for AIDS

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:37:31 2013 No.1308157 >>1308114 Why do Sonic threads attract so many dumb posts like this? It's just one of life's mysteries, man.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:41:31 2013 No.1308167

>>1305102
If someone where to describe the game without mentioning that the characters were cartoon animal teenagers they would think it was some Metal Gear Solid knockoff.

One of the main characters was a failed cure for AIDS. He's really edgy.

The final boss is another failed cure for aids, he's a giant lizard.

A slutty thief turns out to be a spy working for the president directly to infiltrate the bad guys

The series usual main villain is stripped of being the main villain in favor of his grandfather. The previous main villain also uses a failed cure for aids to do his dirty work, not knowing that the failed cure was also his cousins boyfriend who had aids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:51:02 2013 No.1308181 >>1307614 Yeah, but he was a cartoon human, an "egg man" if you will. It didn't seem as weird in the context.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 23:54:31 2013 No.1308185

This is objective fact.

>Fun levels
City Escape
Metal Harbor
Wild Canyon
Pyramid Cave
Cosmic Wall
Weapons Bed
Final Rush

>Okay levels
Green Forest
Sky Rail
Dry Lagoon
White Jungle
Radical Highway
Iron Gate
Final Chase

>Bad levels
Lost Colony
Mission Street
Route 101
Route 280
Security Hall
Prison Lane
Pumpkin Hill
Sand Ocean
Meteor Herd
Mad Space
Eternal Engine
Canon's Core

>Horrible levels
Aquatic Mine
Eqq Quarters
Death Chamber

>Suicide inducing levels
Crazy Gadget

>>	Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Wed Jan 1 00:06:33 2014 No.1308215 >>1308167 Rouge isn't slutty, she just knows she's hot.

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 00:10:34 2014 No.1308227

>>1308153
>But SA2 is 2/3rds not Sonic
Think about it. There has never truly been a 3D Sonic game where you only (or even mostly) play as Sonic (or someone very similar) aside from Shadow the Hedgehog which everyone hates.

>SA1
Same 2/3rd not Sonic ratio

>Heroes
Tails and Knuckles are always with you and you're forced to use them constantly.

>2006
3 stories, Shadow was made slow so he isn't really like Sonic anymore, Silver is totally different, you're forced to play as, what, 9 other characters throughout the game?

>Unleashed
Werehog, and daytime stages have 2D sections. Actually 3D Sonic gameplay is maybe 30% of the game.

>Colors
2D the vast majority of the time. Probably something like 85-90% 2D. 3D usually limited to linear corridors, parallel rails, and drifting sections.

>Generations
Half the game is classic Sonic and strictly 2D. Modern Sonic half still has 2D segments everywhere. Probably about 30% 3D again.

>Lost World
2D everywhere yet again. Lots of dumb gimmicks like that snowball level, or that all rails level, or levels where the goal is just to push fruit around, which really shouldn't count. Many 3D segments dominated by wisp use in 3DS version. Again, maybe 30% actual 3D Sonic gameplay.

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 00:11:04 2014 No.1308229
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This is my OC, Doctor Shaggy-2-Troll the Ponyhog.

She graduated suma cum laude from Hogwarts, and can cast spells without an incantation. She plays guitar in a world-famous rock band, and is master of all four elements. She's also an expert martial artist, and always has perfect hair without ever having to comb it. She has a red TARDIS which is the fastest ship in the universe, it can fly at the speed of light and it's a time machine too. Far from flawless however, she often has trouble getting along with others because they're jealous of her many talents. She's also a pokemon trainer; her team of six garchomps is without rival in all the regions. But she hasn't attempted to take on the Elite Four, because then she'd have to quit her job as a Shinto priestess who defends her family's shrine from evil spirits.

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 00:47:05 2014 No.1308291

>>1308185
>Mad Space
>not the worst level in the game
>higher than any Sonic level

>Pyramid Cave
>higher than Green Forest
>higher than any of Shadow's levels, much less all of them
Winding corridors, carrying keys around, and getting hugged by ghosts is lame. Pyramid Cave is without a doubt the most boring Action Stage. I'd rather play Crazy Gadget honestly. That level is bullshit at times, especially at the end, but at least it isn't boring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 11:58:05 2014 No.1308998 He is the egg man, he looks like a _______ goo go gajoob.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:02:35 2014 No.1309010 >>1308998 >he looks like a _______ Uh... dead dog's eye?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:19:23 2014 No.1309036 >>1308998 I'm the walrus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:29:23 2014 No.1309050 >>1308229 2 troll 4 president

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:55:26 2014 No.1309086 >>1304943 >Eario >not Sigmario

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 21:57:16 2014 No.1310214 >>1308114 I don't know. Maybe there's no exact answer for this.

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 22:01:16 2014 No.1310221
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Some people are impossible to please.

After playing Sonic Adventure with my older stepbrother for a majority of my youth, I played the demo or SA2 and shit my pants.

>stop liking what i don't like

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 22:09:17 2014 No.1310239 File: 45 KB, 313x316, greatfrog.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1310221

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:00:16 2014 No.1310337 >>1310239 I hope that post was ironic. >you won't stop being angry just cuz you stop being angry, lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:31:12 2014 No.1310384 >>1307080 >Aesthetics, Music, and game feel. You'd be surprized how much those things can save a game. One of my favorite games of all time was Frogger 2 solely for those reasons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:41:12 2014 No.1310408 >>1310384 >game feel. please no

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 07:38:15 2014 No.1311006 File: 320 KB, 900x1199, 1388666288785.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >implying the terrible wave of yaoi this game started wasn't the worst

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 03:08:27 2014 No.1313005 The sonic and shadow levels were good. rest of the game is fucking stupid tedious and not fun. just let me go fast plz

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 08:38:57 2014 No.1313406

>>1305102
>You play as Sonic, a fast hedgehog with running shoes who smashes robots with his spin attack to free the animals that were put inside robot bodies by the evil scientist Doctor Robotnik.

That is all the plot Sonic ever needed. The inclusions of Tails and Knuckles in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 were kept simple. Then in Sonic Adventure (which in hindsight was a very mediocre game) a whole new cast of characters were introduced and they all sucked and no one worth a damn gives a shit about them.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 09:57:47 2014 No.1313470

But Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was the only good 3D Sonic game until maybe Generations

The Dreamcast was going to die anyway because it was a legit shit console that should never have existed and was marketed towards the edgy fat kids that had to be special snowflakes just like the previous bit wars Sega started

Sega brought it on themselves by focusing on grapicks and edgy characters instead of gameplay and fun

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 09:59:47 2014 No.1313473

There are people that hated SA2? Get the fuck out of here, it was SA1 done right with the horrible camera and bad controls ironed out to be as good as Sonic team could get it which is still flawed but at least they worked

What the fuck people?

Also finding the lost chao levels were the best

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 10:01:47 2014 No.1313478 >>1308185 >Struggling with Crazy Gadget >Emerald levels not the best ones with actual exploration rather than just holding forward to win >Aquatic Mine not in its own absolute shit tier

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 10:03:18 2014 No.1313479

>>1308146
>All those combinations of chao types you could breed
>Having your friends chao race your own chao in the races

Man I hate faggots who bitch about the single redeeming factor of 3D Sonic games having ruined Sonic as if the platformer games were ever that good after Sonic 2

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 10:04:17 2014 No.1313481

>>1313406
Nah I think 3k, with its implied story, started the ball rolling. Think about it. Soon after we got knuck chaotix that added like 4 more humanoid animals.

I would love to do a test. Take out all via work and subs from both games. I have a feeling they'll hold up better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 10:06:17 2014 No.1313484 >>1307080 >Muh story Kill yourself, you are the reason video games have turned into cinematic garbage and interactive books like Gone Homo are considered good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 10:20:17 2014 No.1313498 File: 235 KB, 389x269, 1387776670738.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] holy shit I knew people who have opinions on the sonic series have gigantic chasms between every one of them, but people actually thinking 3&k was bad is a new one to me

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 12:31:09 2014 No.1313638

>>1313406
>a whole new cast of characters were introduced
All that was added was E-102, who dies at the end anyway, SPOILERS, and Big.
Possibly Chaos as well, but something about that seems wrong to me even though Chaos shows up in other games.

That's not really what I'd call a "new cast of characters".

Sonic CD added that many characters: Metal Sonic, who dies at the end, and Amy. (and it's worth pointing out that the cast of established characters numbered just two, previously)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles added that many characters: Egg Robo, who dies at the end, and Knuckles. Possibly Mecha Sonic as well, who also dies at the end.
Even Sonic Adventure 2 only added that many characters: Shadow, who, again, dies at the end anyway, and Rouge.

The ONLY games that EVER introduced a bunch of characters and didn't kill any of them off were Knuckles' Chaotix, Sonic the Fighters, and possibly Lost World (hard to tell whether the Zeti were killed).

...and right about now I'm noticing that E-102 is pretty much the only character to die and really STAY dead, though I guess you could say he was replaced by E-123.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 12:41:09 2014 No.1313648

>>1313638
>Possibly Chaos as well, but something about that seems wrong to me even though Chaos shows up in other games.
I figured out what it is that bothers me about that right after I posted it.
In Sonic Adventure, Chaos isn't really a character, just a mindless boss monster.
It's only Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Battle featuring Chaos 0 as a playable character that establishes it as a character, so I don't feel I can blame that on Sonic Adventure.

Same goes for Tikal now that I remember it, though that's just in SA2's multiplayer, and I certainly wouldn't consider Chao Walker and Dark Chao Walker to be characters.

>>	Smile Fri Jan 3 13:00:39 2014 No.1313664 >>1313479 if you think sonic 2 is a good game, let alone a good sonic game, then you are an idiot and should probably just kill yourself s3&k is the zenith of the series and of all video games, s2 is the nadir

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 13:08:39 2014 No.1313683 File: 5 KB, 103x136, 1330841198798.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1313664 Hahaha, classic Smile.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 03:29:46 2014 No.1315502 File: 133 KB, 687x1010, S&K.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1308081 I'm now imagining what Sonic Adventure would be like if it had the same budget that Shenmue did; Would've been interesting.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 11:16:57 2014 No.1315917

I got SA2B on the GC and after i heard you could do weird stuff with an Action Replay, I decided to get one.
The most appealing thing of this was playing in levels with other characters (although this could lead to crashing bugs). For example, you can play as Sonic in one of those mech levels, it feels like a real platformer instead of those "hold up to win" that were the speed levels.
Also, playing Green Hill with Robotnik on foot is a cool challenge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 11:19:57 2014 No.1315921 >>1308081 i dont care im still glad this game was made

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 22:23:18 2014 No.1317282 >>1308114 There's an actual scientific explanation for it but I didn't save the source. It has something to do with primary color based designs and character personalities that are shallow to fill in some blanks to fill in some blanks. Same with MLP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 22:25:48 2014 No.1317291 >>1317282 Also large expressive faces for easy to read emotions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 19:16:42 2014 No.1318293 >>1304839 Satam began the horrible trend of stupid Sonic plots. Sonic Adventure 2 was okay, the Rouge/Knuckles levels could be clearly better. Tails Adventure/Sonic Transformed are the best Sonic games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 19:17:13 2014 No.1318295 >>1318293 Neither of those are Sonic games, and the best is clearly Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 20:52:47 2014 No.1318441
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>>1311006
>>1308229
>>1308013
>>1305528
>>1305397
>>1305386
>>1305204
>>1305190
>>1305187
>>1304943
>>1304860
Get on my level, /vr/

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Check these out too: http://realmwars.deviantart.com/journal/Rant-on-DoubleSAnimations-a-k-a-Vicious-318242190?offset=25#comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdj_q15lMLg

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 20:57:17 2014 No.1318453 >>1304943 That one's satire though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 20:58:48 2014 No.1318459 >>1318453 So's >>1304860

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 20:34:49 2014 No.1320869 >>1304839 sonic adventure games were fucking terrible. it is when the autism took over.

WKZworks Mon Jan 6 21:28:49 2014 No.1321013

>>1304839
I liked the first Sonic Adventure. The second one? That's just when the series took a nosedive. Sonic Shuffle wasn't that great either.

Forced non-linear gameplay notwithstanding, I just couldn't stand how they went unto full-on kiddie mode. The older games were made to appeal to children, yes; but more to the 9+ year olds rather than the Kindergarteners.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:31:19 2014 No.1321021 >>1304839 >FUCK, the only good sonic game is Sonic Generations, even the old ones aren't that good. Almost had me wondering if there was any legitimacy in your post, but this couldn't be anything more, nor less, than idiotic "trolling."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 23:28:44 2014 No.1321350 >>1320869 Autism took over with the shitty SatAM cartoon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 06:59:19 2014 No.1322197 >/vr/ can't even discuss Sonic Adventure without being insulting I thought things were better here...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 07:38:21 2014 No.1322250 >>1322197 Nigga sonic threads are always full of drama, regardless of which board you're on. Why would you think that things are different here?

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 08:34:21 2014 No.1322286

>>1304963
Same here, great game. The mech levels and emerald hunting levels were alright and gave it some variety, but the Sonic/Shadow levels were really where it shined. The soundtrack was awesome too. Every character had their own genre of music to their levels. Plus the Chao World was addicting as shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:12:45 2014 No.1322415 Good Sonic games can't be edited into "movies" on YouTube.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:18:45 2014 No.1322420 >>1322415 What the hell are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:20:02 2014 No.1322425 >>1322420 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1kEhlr6roc This kind of thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:24:33 2014 No.1322428 >>1322425 ...That's just all the cutscenes back to back. What is that supposed to prove?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:35:34 2014 No.1322442 >>1322250 Because all of you detest /v/'s bullshit and try to better yourselves to not live in their cynical shadows...

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:44:34 2014 No.1322452

>>1322250
Things are different here. The threads are much slower so some actual discussion happens.
That's not going to stop people from having opinions you disagree with or from being insulting while they do it, but it isn't nearly as bad as on /v/. Only time actual discussion happens there is when the thread is about to die and Sonic porn is being posted.

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