ETERNAL CRT THREAD

[Anonymous No.1213757]

Yeah, didn't see one, so here we go again.

This old bastard had been in my grandmother's house for abour three decades and they were going to throw it away, so I couldn't help myself and gave it a new home. It's fucking huge, the picture looks washed out and it only has an RF input, so no RGB. Yay.

Anyway, yeah, CRT thread.

[Anonymous No.1213760]

>>1213757
This tv looks fucking nice

[Anonymous No.1213764]

Illusion City on my Tron

[Anonymous No.1213769]

Anybody here an expert on degaussing? I was going to take my hulkin' 27" TV to a shop for removing some magnet discoloration spots, which I've heard is done via degaussing. I've also heard, however, that you can do it yourself with a powerful magnet or an electromagnet (mixers were recommended as one such electromagnet).

Does this sound reasonable or should I just take it to a repair shop? The tube has two greenish spots in the top corners of the TV from years of sitting too close to some speakers.

[Anonymous No.1213770]

>>1213769
There's just a tool they use called a degaussing ring or coil, they're only about $20. Both of my KVMs are sitting right on top of Bose speakers. I get no color distortion but you can see how it skews the image a little bit in that Illusion City pic.

[Anonymous No.1213771]

>>1213764
MSX version ?

[Anonymous No.1213775]

>>1213771
Is there another version?

[Anonymous No.1213776]

Oh yeah I guess there's a Mega CD version. I wish that one was translated.

[Anonymous No.1213778]

So did anyone ever attempt to add RGB to a US TV?

I saved this but never tried it.

[Anonymous No.1213782]

>>1213778
I'm thinking about it. I bought a shitty Apex 13" DVD/CRT because it had the inputs I was looking for for the place I wanted to put it and composite out as well, which I always like. I established at the thrift store that the DVD player didn't work but I have a feeling that the DVD player part has RGB passing into the CRT board at some place that I could cut the traces and solder on a header. The damn DVD mechanism made the thing too tall to fit in the location I wanted to put it in anyway, which is another reason to tear it apart.

Right now it's just sitting on top of my milk crate full of Dreamcast controllers taking up space in my basement.

[Anonymous No.1213783]

>>1213778
hmm... Is there any history in why they did not gave you anything better than s-video America?

[Anonymous No.1213789]

>>1213782
>DVD/CRT TV

I never even thought of that, I will have to keep an eye out for one now.

I have seen a few VCR/CRT's but those would surely use composite.

[Anonymous No.1213795]

>>1213789
It's too bad that sony never made Trinitrons with built in DVD players.

[Anonymous No.1213804]

This is my CRT LG Flatron with a Master System Model 3 Compact, as it may be seen there are 'artifacts' on screen, which were due to its BAD ORIGINAL RF switch. I suppose those things just don't last. I changed it for a generic Chinese-manufactured one and the image improved a lot, but there still seems to be a "snow effect".

[Anonymous No.1213807]

>>1213804
BR?

[Anonymous No.1213809]

>>1213804
AV mod that shit.

http://www.damomonster.com/Mod_Pages/SegaMasterSystem.html

[Anonymous No.1213812]

>>1213804
Have you tried one of those direct RCA to F-Type adapters?

[Anonymous No.1213814]

>>1213783
Probably lack of use/care. Every TV I ever saw growing up had composite at best.

France or somebody has RGB required by law, don't they? Something like that would make it happen in the US, but I don't think anyone really gave a shit.

[Anonymous No.1213849]

>>1213814
>>1213783
Let me state early in this thread and very clearly that YPbPr "component" video is equal inn quality to RGB and can be converted back and forth instantly and relatively cheaply.

Be aware, though, that few if any HDTVs will display a 240p signal from component.

[Anonymous No.1213852]

>>1213804
I forgot to mention it's cutting part of the image on the left, I suppose it's some kind of bad internal configuration. Pic related, the damned thing almost reflected my face.

>>1213807
Indeed.

>>1213812
In actuality, I've never considered it, and it does seem interesting. Nonetheless, I hooked up my SMS to my VCR so the final output would be the VCR's RGB and, frankly, the image remained the same, as expected.

>>1213809
I really don't like the idea of modding because it somehow kills the essence of the video game and its technology. This very one model was designed to only have RF in order to cut costs, and so it shall remain, but if I really were to seek quality I would mod it.

Also, SEGA DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T, MK2 has 'digitized' voice and looks gorgeous, IN a 8 BIT SYSTEM.

[Anonymous No.1213867]

>>1213849
>cheaply

That shit costs like $60, I paid less for my PVM.

[Anonymous No.1213868]

>>1213867
I double that
I saw this thing for like 50 Pounds
>>1213849
I have one question. If CRT TV have YPbPr that mean no scanlines for 100%?

[Anonymous No.1213874]

>>1213757
Completed Sonic the Hedgehog on the Master System
Mah niggah

[Anonymous No.1213904]

>>1213852
>the final output would be the VCR's RGB
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Upconverting, unless done with very expensive devices. can only hurt your image.

[Anonymous No.1213906]

>>1213867
Me too but not everybody is so lucky. Plus, transcoders can be used on 99 cent thrift store TVs.

[Anonymous No.1213912]

>>1213904
Indeed, but I must highlight I meant RCA instead of RGB, I don't know what madness took hold of me for such a mistake. Also, I'm quite confident the VCR wasn't up-converting the signal stricto sensu, it just outputted whatever was being displayed on channel 4, so the image was EXACTLY the same, however, there was a static noise due to interference between the VCR and the RF switch, which only happened to my SMS, unlike my SNES. Interestingly, the image of my SMS on a LG LED display is crystal clear and does not have the annoying 'snow' effect from the CRT. I suppose I'll need to buy a new CRT because the image is horrendous in the LED.

[Anonymous No.1213914]

I was going out to check the mail yesterday when I noticed this sitting in front of the apartment's dumpster. No cracks, no scratches on the screen, maybe it still works? I'll check.

Holy crap it DOES work! I've been dealing with old consoles looking like shit on the flatscreen and this is just what I ne-

[Anonymous No.1213917]

...fuuuuuuuuuuck.

[Anonymous No.1213927]

>>1213917

[Anonymous No.1213929]

>>1213917
What is this?
I don't evan...

[Anonymous No.1213934]

>>1213917

>French text
>RF input only

Wow, you're either out of luck, or you live in Quebec.

[Anonymous No.1213937]

>>1213934
got it right the first time.

1998 too, I didn't think they made TVs with RF-only inputs by then.

[Anonymous No.1213941]

>>1213912
Yeah its interesting the variety of ways hdtvs interpret different sd signals. Most amplify snow to intolerable levels but on your set, it's smeared right away - along with everything else.

[Anonymous No.1213945]

>>1213937

Well at least you can use this set with an Atari 2600 and other pre-80's consoles (well the look of this TV doesn't really match with these consoles, but it's better than nothing).

[Anonymous No.1213947]

>>1213945
I was actually hoping to use it with a Sega Saturn

But I don't see that happening now.

[Anonymous No.1213952]

>>1213947
Well you COULD and it would still look better than your HDTV.. But you can do better for sure.

[Anonymous No.1213953]

ITT autism

[Anonymous No.1213954]

>>1213953
Explain

[Anonymous No.1213956]

>>1213917
Is there any difference between this coaxial thing and RF?
I've got bunch crt's back in the day and non had this only RF as minimum

[Anonymous No.1213962]

>>1213954

Ignore him, he'll give us the same arguments as alway: all we see in CRTs is only placebo because we're supposed to be hipsters, stuff like that. I bet he emulate all his games with bilinear filters.

[Anonymous No.1213969]

Jo & Mac on a Sony PVM 20M4U, via RGB

I've had several other CRTs, with different connection methods, and nothing even comes close to this heaven.

[Anonymous No.1213976]

>>1213969

Nice pic. Here's Princess Maker 2 on my Samsung syncmaster 955b.

[Anonymous No.1213990]

>>1213962
The full extent of my knowledge is as follows:

There are CRTs and HDTVs

Composite, Component and HDMI

Hooking up a seventh-gen console to a CRT via Composite reduces its framerate and detail level

Hooking up a pre-seventh generation console to a HDTV via composite will make it look like garbage due to scaling issues between 4:3 and 16:9, and nobody made an effort to do anything about this.

RF adaptors allow for coaxial cable hookups, but look the worst a console could possibly look like.

I don't know anything else about filters or settings and cables. The above is all I know.

[Anonymous No.1214002]

>>1213990
4:3 and 16:9 are aspect ratios. What causes the horrible picture quality is the upscaling in resolution. Just like if you boot up an emulator on your pc, and set it to full screen, you have a stretched, pixelated image, when an HDTV takes the signal from your console that's designed for 240p and upscales it to 1080p, it looks disgusting. The aspect ratio stretching is the least of the problems.

[Anonymous No.1214010]

>>1214002
that's pretty much what I was trying to say, just worded it poorly.

I'm still very much surprised HDTVs were made without addressing this issue, but I assume it was done in the name of forced "progress", and it's way too late in the game for that kind of thing to magically appear one day.

[Anonymous No.1214017]

>>1214010
Well, old consoles still have old tvs to run on. They don't support low resolution in new models because no one makes stuff in low resolution. In fact, its just a quirk of old video games that you'd even want a standard tv display. VHS tapes look pretty bad, because no film is filmed in SD, they were downscaled for SD display.

And there's the problem of shipping CRT-TVs, which is why you probably won't see them be manufactured for niche consumers (us). Standard definition capable LCDs though, are a realistic thing.

[Anonymous No.1214021]

>>1214010
You can buy serious upscalers that work pretty fast and look pretty good. I'm sure that, eventually the technology will be normalized and included in many mid-to-high tier HDTVs.

Additionally most HDTVs have refresh rates that are a fraction of what CRTs have but they're also getting better. Basically, by the time all the used CRTs completely dry up in another ten or fifteen years hopefully the HDTVs will have advanced to the point we don't miss them, even those of us who really appreciate them.

[Anonymous No.1214028]

I have a 2004 Triniton, I can hook up my 360 and PS3 to it via component, but honestly... it doesn't really look all that different from composite.

[Anonymous No.1214029]

>>1214021
Hopefully. I LIKE the portability of LCD screens. But I don't like playing my old games in a washed out, pixelated state more.

How do upscalers deal with aspect ratio, though? Do they automatically add bars? Or just stretch?

[Anonymous No.1214034]

>>1214029
for that matter how do you even hook up an upscaler?... is it something you "hook up" in the first place?

[Anonymous No.1214037]

>>1213770
Any good brands or products to look at in particular?

[Anonymous No.1214042]

>>1214034

There are internal upscalers, like, the one in every LCD HDTV. Most of the time they're shitty, as the picture they upscale alway end up with uneven pixels. And there are external scalers, that cost an arm and a testicle, and are better than the internal ones.

[Anonymous No.1214059]

Guys, please - I seriously need some help.
There are literal fucktons of PVM models, but not all of them have RGB inputs (and personally, without RGB, there's not much point in getting one over an ordinary CRT).

I'm looking for a 14" or 20" model - can anyone point out some numbers that have RGB input on them?

[Anonymous No.1214079]

>>1213757
>input lag is a filthy bitch
>hoarding working CRT monitors from friends/family

I do and so should you.

[Anonymous No.1214092]

Guys, is there any difference if i want to play Gameboy Advance games via the gamecube if i hook it into a hdtv or a crt? i know there is a difference in old consoles, but what about the GBA?

[Anonymous No.1214128]

>>1214092
Via component on hdtv should be ok but gamecube component cables are very expensive.

[Anonymous No.1214143]

>>1214037
Brand doesn't really matter. If you want it to be easy get a round one that is big enough to go all the way around your crt's face. If you want to do it cheap, get a wand style one and be prepared to put some time into pushing all the distortion out of the viewing area and developing technique.

You can even do it with a big speaker magnet but that really takes patience and technique.

[Anonymous No.1214154]

Is screen-shaking really a sign of a dying CRT? It only shakes in certain moments and never when I play games on my Wii and Retroarch.

I just got this CRT and while it isn't the best I really am enjoying playing video games on it. Also, any advice on configuring Retroarch for the best results? Sadly I don't have any of my old consoles anymore but the Wii is pretty comfy for that.

[Anonymous No.1214167]

>>1214154
Congrats on correctly choosing the best bottom dollar approach to retro gaming.

>any advice on configuring Retroarch for the best results?
Use component cables if possible and set RetroArch's resolution to the native resolution of the particular game you're playing. This feature should be automatic but SquarePusher is a turd and thinks we CRTfags are an unimportant niche.

[Anonymous No.1214173]

>>1214154
>comfy

people really need to stop throwing that adjective around when they have no idea how to use it correctly.

[Anonymous No.1214180]

>>1214167
Sadly, no component at the moment. Is the difference that huge? Are SCART connectors component? How do I know the native resolution of the game I'm playing? So far I just messed around with it until it looked good.

Sorry for asking dumb questions, I'm not as good with technology but I'm willing to learn.

[Anonymous No.1214206]

I really need to get another CRT. I have an Atari 26 and 7800 but I can't get them to work on a modern TV at all. I've heard that's an issue and I need an older model. That true? I mean surely an old crt won't be that hard to find...

[Anonymous No.1214230]

I have like six CRTs and none of them have component. Oh well, at least a few have S-Video.

The struggle of being a poorfag

[Anonymous No.1214251]

>>1214230
s-video is more than sufficient for old consoles, you could go the extra mile for component or rgb scart but the lack of dithering makes some games look worse oddly enough, especially on the mega drive

[Anonymous No.1214273]

>>1214180
SCART is a generic connector that supports basically everything. SCART is used because its one of the few connectors that supports RGB, basically pure video no compression artifacts at all.

Component does not support RGB it uses a format called YUV. To use component you need one of these >>1213849. The quality is basically the same as RGB the conversion is nearly lossless if not completely.

[Anonymous No.1214295]

>not having a handle on your crt

[Anonymous No.1214538]

So I just got an old-ass crt for my old-ass ps1.

>dat constant high pitched sound
>dat flicker

Both my eyes and ears are bleeding, but Spyro does looks much better now. Thanks /vr/.

[Anonymous No.1214567]

>>1214154
Mine only shakes on 480p with lots of text.

[Anonymous No.1214579]

I want a PVM so badly but all the sellers near me are jews

[Anonymous No.1214617]

left, real nes via RCA
right, wii+FCE ultra GX via RGB scart

[Anonymous No.1214629]

>>1214180
SCART is many things but none of them are component. If you do have a scart connection on your TV (meaning you're not American) then you should use it. Basically, you should be using the best connection your TV has and if it doesn't have the best (RGB SCART or Component in the US) then you might as well keep your eyes peeled for a cheap or free one that does have it although most people will consider SVideo "close enough" but if you're using RF or Composite now then yes the difference is significant when you step up to Svideo or Component.

Using native resolution for your games is something really important on the CRT for them to look their best. Different consoles support different video modes (usually only two or at the most three per console). You can learn different systems' available resolutions on their respective Wikipedia entries and you MIGHT be able to find out what mode individual games ise but usually you just have to check the different resolutions the particular console uses and eyeball which one is correct.

>>1214230
That's unfortunate but at least Svideo really is a huge step up from composite.

[Anonymous No.1214636]

>>1214206
Are you connecting that single RCA type connection on the consoles to your Coaxial RF input or are you mistakenly trying to connect it to an RCA style jack on your TV like a Composite jack?

[Anonymous No.1214670]

>>1214059
PVM-1342Q
PVM-1341
PVM-1340
PVM-1440QM
PVM-1442QM
PVM-1444QM
PVM-14M2, 20M2
PVM-14M4, 20M4
PVM-14L2, 20-L2
PVM-14L3, 14L4, 20L4
PVM-14L5, 20L5

I'm sure there's more. With the above M and L series models there may be extra letters at the end to denote regional variations, medical versions (white), etc.

Please note there are many other variables, such as picture tube quality. Just google the model numbers above and you'll probably find brochures

[Anonymous No.1214681]

>>1214629
>SCART is many things but none of them are component.

RGB is component, but "component" usually refers to YPbPr/YCbCr because yankee pigdogs have nothing else

[Anonymous No.1214727]

>>1214681
Stop confusing people.

[Anonymous No.1214804]

>>1214681
>RGB is component
RGB is RGB, there are connectors that support straight RGB such as VGA and SCART but component is not one of those.

[Anonymous No.1214907]

>>1214538
Oh my god that sound. I've never heard a CRT that didn't have it. Worst part of classic gaming, I have to use headphones.

[Anonymous No.1214908]

>>1214804
RGB is a component video signal in that it's split up into 3/4 cables, just as YPbPr/YCbCr is.

[Anonymous No.1215041]

>>1214907

My PVM is awful for that, but I find that after a few minutes my brain starts to tune it out. Then I get up for something and the cycle starts again.

[Anonymous No.1215119]

I made this post in another thread but that thread is too quiet.

I want to buy a used CRT, and the only ones I've been finding at the local goodwill have only two av ports, Yellow and White.
There's no room for a Red cable. Is it true I can buy some sort of splicer that will allow me to use the Red cable too, allowing both audio channels?

I'm thinking about holding out for a better TV, but there's $5 TV's at goodwill. Getting one of those until I can do better seems fine with me. I only recently discovered how badly HD tv's are were for retro gaming. I wondered why something felt off.

[Anonymous No.1215128]

I made this post in another thread but that thread is too quiet.

I want to buy a used CRT, and the only ones I've been finding at the local goodwill have only two av ports, Yellow and White.
There's no room for a Red cable. Is it true I can buy some sort of splicer that will allow me to use the Red cable too, allowing both audio channels?

I'm thinking about holding out for a better TV, but there's $5 TV's at goodwill.

Getting one of those until I can do better seems fine with me. I only recently discovered how badly HD tv's are were for retro gaming.

I had a feeling something felt off but I wasn't sure what. Thanks all.

[Anonymous No.1215137]

>>1215128
>There's no room for a Red cable. Is it true I can buy some sort of splicer that will allow me to use the Red cable too, allowing both audio channels?
You can split the audio but it's not going to make it stereo it's just going to be dual mono. For old consoles that's fine though

[Anonymous No.1215139]

>>1215137
Do you think it'll sound crappy? I mean I'm not too picky, but I seem to recall using mono before and I didn't mind it too much. Should I get a splitter?

[Anonymous No.1215161]

>>1215137
>>1215139
Actually scratch I didn't read thoroughly enough, I was thinking of a mono source and stereo TV. Don't splice them together they can cause a short and fuck up the console or TV. These TVs that have one input may be configured for dual mono output though if you still want that

[Anonymous No.1215168]

>>1215161
Ah ok, thanks. Last question, as I'm not very experienced with audio. Does mono mean I can still hear the sound from both speakers on the TV?

I understand with stereo you can hear the sound fade from left to right, but I'm not sure fully what mono meant.

Thanks again, I think I might go ahead and pick up a tv tomorrow and then look for a better tv when I get more cash.

[Anonymous No.1215173]

>>1215139
>>1215161
Oh and also mono isn't really bad but if a game uses a particular audio channel for one thing and the other for something else you might not like it as you'll be missing stuff. The only solution is a stereo receiver that can mix the two channels together and give you a mono output.

>>1215168
Mono means there's one audio channel. Traditional mono is just one speaker while dual mono is the same but it uses both speakers so it's like pseudo-stereo. Stereo has two independent audio channels.

[Anonymous No.1215182]

>>1215173
Alright, that makes sense now. For the moment I'm just going to use one of these TV's I pick up.

I'd really like to find a good CRT with stereo, but for the price I'm finding goodwill wins this time.

[Anonymouse No.1215186]

>>1213969
super sexy

[Anonymous No.1215282]

>>1215168
The TV only has one speaker, I'm sure. I don't know if I'd worry about merging your audio signals either. It was only a $5 TV and if ypu leave out a channel then shit WILL sound weird. Most third gen games and even fourth can usually be set to mono in the game's settings though.

[Anonymous No.1215286]

>>1215282
Oh nice, came back to a reply.

Yeah I'll just be glad to have a crt tv again to play with. I'll mess with the audio settings in game and set them to mono.

Thanks dude. I'd really love to pick up a PVM you all seem so fond of, but that may be a while before I can afford one. For now anything will do.

[Anonymous No.1215304]

>>1215286
Yeah just get an ok one for now then keep watching the thrift store for a real good one.

[Anonymous No.1215460]

>>1213956

RF signals are transmitted over coax.

[Anonymous No.1215463]

[Anonymous No.1215468]

>>1215463
regular coax connectors piss me off this thing is just pure evil

[Anonymous No.1215467]

>>1215286

Since most CRTs have mono sound, you should probably just get a set of computer speakers and a RCA to Audio Jack. You'll get stereo sound and better audio quality then any stereo CRT, even if it's just a cheap pair you find lying around.

On another note, does anyone know what I could use as a stand for my PVM? Preferably something that is not too much bigger then the TV itself (I'm hurting for space). Right now I've got it sitting on my floor, and my bookshelves are too shallow to support it.

[Anonymous No.1215473]

>That feel when your Tron RCA ports are dying and no one is selling any in your area

[Anonymous No.1215679]

Here's some SF2 on my Sony Trinitron (I don't actually know the exact size of the screen)

RGB rules. I actually had to add some resistors to the euro because the image was too bright, and now it looks fucking nice. I'm thinking about adding an LM1881 to clean up the sync and get it to look even nicer, but for no this'll do.

[Anonymous No.1215697]

[Anonymous No.1215698]

>>1214273
I'm not sure how these work but I'll look into it.

>>1214629
Seems like I only have SCART and RF on the back of the TV and a composite connection on the side of my TV. That is, assuming Yellow red white is composite which is what I've been using so far and the games looked pretty damn good to begin with so making it look even better sounds interesting.

I'm not sure how to proceed from here.

[Anonymous No.1215716]

>>1215698
Get an RGB scart cable for your systems. Megadrive, Master System, SNES, etc.

[Anonymous No.1215723]

>>1215716
Like I said, I'm using a Wii since I don't own any of the original systems I used to own.

Will this do the trick then? http://dx.com/p/rgb-scart-cable-for-wii-pal-ntsc-1-74m-length-21910

[Anonymous No.1215727]

Alright so

I got a Super Nintendo, a Sega Saturn, a Nintendo 64, and an HDTV.

What's the best way to approach this, besides "fire up an emulator"?

[Anonymous No.1215734]

>>1215727
You can use the HDTV but it's generally considered a no-no on /vr/ because the input lag and sub-par upscaling makes them look and play bad. Go pick up a cheap CRT, people practically give them away now.

[Anonymous No.1215736]

>>1215734
I tried that already. No places with CRTs locally and shipping for online is too much for my already strained wallet.

[Anonymous No.1215738]

>>1215736
Where do you live, the fucking moon?

[Anonymous No.1215740]

>>1215738
Long Island NY, middle of fucking nowhere.

[Anonymous No.1215902]

>>1215727
HDTV:
- looks bad
- the input lag, however small, makes some games very hard to enjoy

CRT:
+ looks less bad
+ virtually no input lag
- constant high pitched noise
- flicker

Choose your poison

[Anonymous No.1215912]

>>1215902
I'd say it looks pretty OK, the only real problem being that it has motion blur up the ass.

Also I have 3 CRTs in my room and I never noticed the flicker when playing at 60hz.

[Anonymous No.1215920]

Will i regret replacing my 21" wega with a 14" trinny?

I have to clear some stuff out of my games room and the TV is taking up too much space.

[Anonymous No.1215923]

>>1215920
It's not like you're going to throw it away or anything, right? Just put the thing in storage.

[Anonymous No.1215926]

>>1215723
Yep that's what you want. Prepare for razzle dazzle when it arrives if you thought the composite looked good!

[Anonymous No.1215929]

>>1215926
Order placed. I ended up looking for it on e-bay instead because the reviews on the DX one say one of the pins is missing making it look less good or something.
I didn't order the 'official' one because it's like 20 bucks more than the one I ordered so I hope It's the correct one.

Also, thanks for all the answers and putting up with my lack of technical knowledge. I look forward to trying it out.

[Anonymous No.1215940]

>>1215929
Sounds like you know about choosing the right thing to order though. Be sure to post your impressions when it comes. The eBay one will probably arrive faster as well.

[Anonymous No.1215967]

>>1214295
Ah yes, I have one of these in my attic. Pretty good piece of hardware and weighs only 10KG.
RF and Scart if I remember correctly. Only downside of this crt is it pretty curvy, not good if you want to play some vertical shmups

[Anonymous No.1215998]

>>1215940
Thanks. Dealextreme are kind of unpredictable with their deliveries, one time I got something I ordered in like a week and the other time I had to wait four months.

Also, since I'm already posting I figured I'd share the CRT I have. I was trying to get a Sony one but the only one I found was so huge and heavy that I had trouble even getting it to my car, I didn't even bother trying to get it up to my apartment.
Not a retro game but it's the only image I have now.

[Anonymous No.1216287]

>>1215998
DX* in general is like an Amazon for Asian sellers. Even though the world is smaller than ever things still work differently over there, especially when you're trying to reduce the middleman involvement.

[Anonymous No.1216531]

>>1215929
>the reviews on the DX one say one of the pins is missing making it look less good or something.

Probably pin 16 is missing, which is a common problem with cheap shitty SCART cables designed for consoles.

If your TV doesn't have a specific "RGB" input mode then it will require a 1-3V "blanking signal" on pin 16 in order to make the TV switch to the RGB input. If this is not present then your TV will just display the composite signal.

If the wiring is present up to the SCART plug then you may be able to wire it up yourself, but this will require soldering and a suitable resistor (the Wii outputs +12V and +5V, not 1-3V required for the blanking signal)

[Anonymous No.1216539]

>>1215679
>I don't actually know the exact size of the screen
The first two digits in the model number will be the screen size.

I really don't know the point in adding a sync separator when it's already working fine - your TV is doing the separating for you, otherwise you wouldn't get a picture. LM1881's are for people using arcade monitors, or certain PVMs which won't strip a CVBS signal for sync

[Anonymous No.1217990]

>>1214273
>>1214180

But doesn't RGB have a bigger colorspace than YUV (which component uses)?

[Anonymous No.1218012]

>>1217990

No, the total bandwidth and signal separation is comparable. YUV just transmits difference signals instead of the actual colors for absolutely no fucking reason.

[Anonymous No.1218017]

>>1215998
Is that LG any good?

I see them all the time advertised for free but i always thought LG TV's were shit.

What inputs does it have?

[Anonymous No.1218019]

>>1218012
YUV is used because:
1. backwards compatibility with black/white TVs
2. RGB contains redundant information which uses a lot of bandwidth

[Anonymous No.1218293]

>>1216531
Huh, interesting. I hope I won't have to solder anything.

>>1218017
It's been a long long while since I last used another CRT so I don't have a referance point but overall I'm pleased with it.
It's got a SCART input, RF input and an input for yellow, white and red (composite, I think).
From what I understand it isn't as good as Sony's TVs but I got it for free and it was pretty damn light so transporting it wasn't difficult.

This is probably not the best example but I don't know how to take a good picture so have this.

[Anonymous No.1218374]

>>1213782
>feeling that the DVD player part has RGB passing into the CRT board
Could be component, to simplify the DVD side. DVD is a component-based medium.

>>1213795
Maybe they wanted to get everyone on the low end to buy a PS2 instead.

>>1213868
No, I think the other anon mentioned HDTVs specifically for a reason. There are SDTVs with component input. Doesn't make a difference in how they treat the signal.

>>1213990
>CRTs and HDTVs
and CRT HDTVs, LCD SDTVs, etc.

>Composite, Component and HDMI
and S-Video, RGB SCART, other signals over SCART, etc.

>seventh-gen console to a CRT via Composite reduces its framerate
No, though you should be sure to distinguish the difference between frame rate and refresh rate.

>pre-seventh generation console to a HDTV via composite will make it look like garbage due to scaling issues between 4:3 and 16:9, and nobody made an effort to do anything about this.
1. The scaling issue isn't tied to aspect ratio, though >>1214002 did a good job of explaining it.
2. Most HDTVs have 4:3 modes, but just correcting the aspect ratio doesn't fix upscaler garbage (latency, artifacts).

>>1214017
>they were downscaled for SD display
No they weren't, it's just that VHS has bandwidth limitations that restrict the resolution of the video that can be recorded. Nobody "scaled" anything, film to VHS transfers can be done completely in the analog realm. S-VHS was sharper thanks to higher bandwidth using the same technology, so for example you could use the same film master and record in S-VHS, again all analog.

>>1214021
Better-than-CRT refresh rates are common on HDTVs these days, actually. But refresh was never a real problem for HDTVs showing SD content.

>>1214028
Sounds like an SDTV with a nice comb filter. I have 2002-era CRT HDTVs that make 6th-gen consoles look great over component.

>>1214295
dat handle. because handle.

>>1214681
Component 3-phono cables made the HD transition seamlessly. RGB SCART didn't. Don't knock either.

[Anonymous No.1218520]

>>1215467
>better audio quality then any stereo CRT
Some high-end CRT TVs had pretty good sound, even going so far as to incorporate a bass driver (I'd hesitate to call them real subs) for some decent 2.1.

I have a 20" TV from 1991 that has S-video and a matrix surround decoder and direct rear speaker outputs. Made in the U.S.A. too. Imagine that, a little 20" TV that can drive 2:4 surround with no other equipment besides the rear speakers and wires added to it. It's my favorite all-in-one N64 TV for both picture and sound. Ocarina of Time with surround sound effects as you turn around in the game? LOVE IT.

>>1215926
>Prepare for razzle dazzle
This is the second time you or someone else has made me laugh with this phrase when talking about CRTs. Last time it was about Samsung IIRC. What the...?

[Anonymous No.1218568]

>>1218520
>Prepare for razzle dazzle
I think I picked it up from that King of the Hill episode where Khan is trying to impress Hank with his job so I always hear it in my head with a thick Asian accent which makes it even funnier.

Plus it's pretty accurate for when you finally get your games hooked up right to the right display. You get that feeling beyond anything you've ever felt at home before, like you're having a special experience like with a brand new arcade machine or something

[Anonymous No.1218663]

>>1215967
>Only downside of this crt is it pretty curvy, not good if you want to play some vertical shmups

I don't think it's any more curved than any other 14" shadow mask CRT screen of this era - it's just the bezel follows the contour of the screen on this set whereas TVs traditionally have flatter bezels. It's just an illusion.

[Anonymous No.1220119]

:3

[Anonymous No.1220124]

>>1220119

Useful when you want to play vidya while /out/.

[Anonymous No.1220135]

Insane relative bought this thing in 2004, brand-new. My face melted when I got it for free and found out it had s-video input.

[Anonymous No.1220317]

>>1220135
>'90s
>old-fashioned wood console TV
>handles
>RCA
yep yep

[Anonymous No.1220326]

>>1220135
How could this be new in 2004? Eurofriend here so I'm not familiar with console TVs or RCA products but the set design looks like something from the '80s.

[Anonymous No.1220367]

>>1220326
I misread anon's post and just assumed his relative got it used. I thought RCA only made console TVs into the early '90s so 2004 seems way, way off for a model like that to be sold new to me as well.

However, I wouldn't put it past late-model RCA to have made something weird like this for retro value or old-fashioned senior citizens. I'd also expect it from Zenith, but they've been a zombie brand for a long time.

[Anonymous No.1220370]

I have given up on finding a PVM so am going to buy a Commodore/amiga 1084 monitor with SCART/LC inputs.

[Anonymous No.1220385]

>>1220370

Noice monitor. I already posted some pics of mine in the Amiga thread (a C= 1085S-D3). I'll post some more in this thread later maybe.

[Anonymous No.1220438]

>>1220370
I thought these monitors looked very familiar despite not having much exposure to Amigas.

Acorn re-badged the same Philips monitors for their Archimedes computers, which were the de facto standard school computer in the UK from the late '80s till mid '90s

[Anonymous No.1220447]

>>1220438

The Amiga monitors weren't only manufactured by Phillips, as most of them were made by Samsung and Daewoo. Phillips ones are even less common today as they're more prone to failure.

Well, they still look alike anyway.

[Anonymous No.1220452]

>>1220447

Also, I forgot to ask, how is the Archimedes as a computer? How does it compete against it's contemporary?

[Anonymous No.1220492]

>>1220452
Technically they were superior to any M68k or x86 based systems at the time. The ARM CPUs were awesome - there's a reason why they're in pretty much every smartphone and SoC computer today, and why ARM is pretty much the only remnant of the British computer industry.

RISC OS was an awesome GUI OS from a time when Windows was a clunky piece of shit. The user-friendlyness of the OS was well suited to a school environment.

As a system for gaming, they were not so great. I had a die-hard Acornfag friend in school who had Acorns until the bitter end (an A3010, then an A7000), and he had to wait fucking years for popular titles like Wolf3D and Dune 2 to be ported to the system. Most games I recall were just DOS PC or Amiga ports.

IIRC they came with a BBC Micro emulator too

[Anonymous No.1220553]

>>1220492

Pretty interesting. I'll check some more info on this system, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1220701]

>>1220492
Windows never stopped being a clunky piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.1220713]

>>1220701

When you compare it to the versions 1 and 2, not it's not anymore. They greatly improved it in 3.1 (I still use it), and did good stuff with the NT branch up to 2000.

Then, compared to stuff like OS/2 or Amiga OS version 2 and 3, it still wasn't this good.

[Anonymous No.1220839]

I've got the opportunity to get a bvm 20f1e but before I do I just want to know if it's possible to connect my PC to it

[Anonymous No.1220861]

>>1220839
It's an SDTV monitor, so you'll need to get your PC to output 15 kHz RGB video in order for it to be able to handle it (i.e. hacked drivers or something). And it'll still be 480i/576i so not really usable outside emulation.

[Anonymous No.1220869]

>>1213795
Are you the irate gamer?

[Anonymous No.1221073]

I'm using a 21" Trinitron to connect. MD and Snes and PS via RGB and C64 via S-Video. Supports both 50/60hz modes on RGB.

I've heard people complain about how the Trinitron aperture grille screen looks but having never used anything else I have no idea if it makes the picture inaccurate or grainy.

[Anonymous No.1221098]

>>1218374
>Component 3-phono cables made the HD transition seamlessly. RGB SCART didn't. Don't knock either.

There is no technical reason as to why RGB SCART can't do HD. The industry just never specced it.

[Anonymous No.1221213]

>>1215697
Shame there's no authentic way to get the Super Gameboy border and the GBC colors and bonus dungeon at the same time.

[Anonymous No.1221215]

>>1221213
doesn't the gamecube gameboy player do it

[Anonymous No.1221220]

>>1221215
Sorry, wouldn't know. Lost mine to a crazy ex. If it does than I'll definitely have to pick it up again.

[Anonymous No.1221225]

>>1221215
gameboy player doesn't support SGB borders, it's basically just the guts of a gameboy advance

[Anonymous No.1221328]

>>1221073
Most people prefer aperture grille to shadow mask for video games because it makes pixels appear more square.

[Anonymous No.1221332]

[Anonymous No.1221367]

>>1221332
This makes me so very sad. So very sad indeed.

[Anonymous No.1221370]

>>1221332
Beggars can be choosers.

[Anonymous No.1221554]

I really want a CRT again but I'm not in a position to get one anywhere but locally, and I'm not really in a position to have enough more stuff hoarded up. Feels bad man

[Anonymous No.1221724]

>>1221554
Get rid off 3 cubic feet of stuff you want less than a crt.

[Anonymous No.1222229]

>>1221098
I was only responding to the troll. The simple fact is that component survived the HD transition while SCART was abandoned. I wasn't claiming technical superiority.

However, multi-signal cable standards like SCART and DVI have a tendency to create a fragmented cable market where some cables will support some standards but not others despite superficial similarities. Versioned standards like USB and HDMI are similarly flawed and occasionally frustrating. 3-phono is straightforward.

People keep getting ripped off on those shitty unlicensed console S-Video cables because shitty no-name companies cheap out on the multi-signal side that interfaces with the console. Related, the fastest and best way to tell what kind of signal is handled by any given analog console cable is to look on the phono or mini-DIN side, not the shitty multi-signal side. That simplicity is nice when it comes to consumer electronics.

[Anonymous No.1222241]

>>1221332
>>1221367
>>1221370
Smart recyclers could turn this into an opportunity. Just contact Goodwill and arrange to be an advertised alternative at the local stores.

[Anonymous No.1222764]

>>1222229

The problem with SCART is that the cables aren't alway properly shielded.

[Anonymous No.1222775]

I just got RetroArch working on my Wii, and got some Component cables for the best quality on my CRT. I'm very impressed with the quality of the picture, even if it isn't exactly PVM-tier.

Now to grab all the screen resolutions for each console (and games that use alternate resolution settings), since there used to be a near-complete listing on the libretro message board, but it appears that everything CRT related has been deleted from the libretro board.

[Anonymous No.1222776]

>>1222775
If you can post your findings on a paste-bin and post it here I'll be really grateful.

[Anonymous No.1222847]

>>1213795
>Sony Trinitron TVCR that supports NTSC, PAL, and SECAM.

I just came a little...

[Anonymous No.1222858]

>>1221328
Eh. I prefer shadow mask myself. Makes everything blend in and smooth out naturally.

[Anonymous No.1222952]

>>1222858
I can appreciate that. There was a guy in here some months ago posting pics of his Mitsubishi X series presentation monitors and they looked awesome. If I was after a giant direct-view CRT for gaming I would go for Mitsu over Tron

[Anonymous No.1222985]

>>1222952
>>1222858
I found some pics of that guy's pro Mitsubishi in the archive. Best looking Shadow Mask pics we've seen.

[Anonymous No.1222992]

>>1222985

[Anonymous No.1222994]

>>1222992

[Anonymous No.1223119]

>>1222985
>we've
Are you the same person who insists on speaking on behalf of everyone on this board? Still doing that, eh?

Stop it, please.

[Anonymous No.1223126]

>>1222985
>>1222992
>>1222994
This shit is seriously hurting my eyes to look at it.

[Anonymous No.1223146]

>>1223119
Are you saying you've seen a better shadow mask display? Please post it.

[Anonymous No.1223164]

>>1223146
You are the strangest person we have seen in a while.

[Anonymous No.1223169]

>>1223164

Stop shitting up on this thread please.

[Anonymous No.1223172]

Report and ignore.

[Anonymous No.1223175]

>>1223172
This is always good advice.

[Anonymous No.1225060]

Picked up this guy over the weekend.

Currently have an SNES hooked up via s-video, next step is going to be RGB. It's really nice looking, huge upgrade from the generic 13" I grabbed from the alley last year.

[Anonymous No.1225086]

>>1220135
I used to have this TV back when I was 5. I just got a huge nostalgia flashback wow.

[Anonymous No.1225621]

Hi, Americans. I am is Koko-fail (rooster in Russia - faggot, homosexualist). I cofe, vanil, vylil & old soviet technikas. I'm homosexual orientation & i sovok (sovok = commies, communists is Russia)

[Anonymous No.1225624]

>>1225621
> I cofe, vanil, vylil
*I love

[Anonymous No.1225641]

>>1213934
In Soviet TV had no composite input until the end of the 80s.
But smart people themselves Soviet solder missing details. In the USSR, every schoolboy was able to solder and repair equipment.

[Anonymous No.1226605]

>>1225060
Nice find anon, that's the exact same PVM I have. Is that a 20L2?

Wait until you see RGB on your SNES, your eyes won't believe it. It looks amazing.

[Anonymous No.1227072]

>>1214143
so far I'm seeing 50-60 for rings and 10 for wands. Is it really worth the difference in price to go for rings if I don't expect to do it more than once?

[Anonymous No.1227075]

>>1227072
It's just harder to do it with a wand.

[Anonymous No.1227105]

>>1225641
>In Soviet TV had no composite input until the end of the 80s.
I think it's like that in most of the world. I have a late-80s Trinitron branded "SONY TRINITRON TELEVISION/MONITOR" because it's got a single composite input.

Fun fact: Televisions have stereo audio output because of MTV.

[Anonymous No.1227337]

How does the Ikegami TM series compare to the Sony PVM series?
If I were to find both a TM and PVM available, which one should I get, and if it's the TM, what would be a reasonable price for it, at say, 14"?

[Anonymous No.1227360]

>>1226605

It's the baby brother PVM-14L2. But considering my desk layout, it works pretty well.

Is the best way to just get a SCART cables for my systems and an SCART -> RGB+Sync cable?

My main TV is a 30inch Toshiba HDCRT. Not perfect for old consoles, but supports S-Video and looks a lot better than

>>1227337

I paid $40 for it, seemed reasonable, as they usually go for $80+ around here.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227372]

>>1227337
I don't know if ALL of the models are over this tier, but I know that there are Ikegami TM** models that match if not out do BVM monitors.

Can't really say on the price.

[Anonymous No.1227383]

>>1227372
>>1227360

Would you happen to know if the TM14-16R in particular is that good?

If not, let's put it this way: if you had the choice between a $30 13" Sony PVM-1340 and the $75 IkegamiI TM14-16R, which would you take?

Thanks for the help, btw

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227397]

>>1227383
The PVM supports RGB where as the TM supports both RGB and Component.
The TM also supports multiple standards (NTSC/PAL) when the PVM doesn't.

$75 seems a bit much for it though. $30 is much more reasonable, assuming no (or very small) shipping costs.

Keep in mind the Ikegami has shadowmask as opposed to the PVM's aperture grille.

[Anonymous No.1227398]

>>1227397

Some PVMs support support component as well.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227402]

>>1227398
I'm aware(that's actually all that's hooked up to mine at the moment"; However, the 1340 does not.

[Anonymous No.1227486]

>>1227397
So the PVM wouldn't be the best choice if I also plan to watch 480i NTSC, YUV, 30 fps content, right?
That's a shame, since I'd much rather go with the aperture grille for $30 price than the shadow mask for $75.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227502]

>>1227486
>480i NTSC, YUV, 30 fps content
It supports everything except for the YUV bit.

Nice display or not, why would you use a PVM to watch television(or presumably DVDs) on?
I'm sure you could find a cheap ~'00 Trinitron with component that would fit that purpose.

Lack of YUV aside, the PVM would be perfect for some 3rd/4th/5th gen RGB goodness.

[Anonymous No.1227546]

>>1227502
I actually thought about that but the thing is, I plan to throw together a low-budget PC build, enough for a retro game/video media center. Since the PC would already be outputting an analog RGB signal, I could just buy a cheap VGA D-SUB>BNC adapter to connect it to the PVM. But If I want it to output to a KV-FS120, I'd have to actually buy one of them (which go for something like $50-70 in my area last I checked) and VGA D-SUB>Component YUV transcoder. And since transcoders do conversion on an analog signal, I'm convinced they don't all do it at a consistent quality, so my inner videophile wouldn't let me get anything less than something like a TC-1600, which goes for $169.

I'd really appreciate it if you could convince me otherwise, though - that all RGB>YUV transcoders output the same quality YUV signal.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227557]

>>1227546
I'm confused about where the YUV part comes in if you're planning on hooking it up to a PC. Remember that you'd need a card capable of outputting the correct signal.

As for transcoders, I know there's a particularly good one on amazon for $50 for going from SCART RGB to YUV over RCA on the opposite side. It'd be a bit cumbersome, but it could work given the right adapters.

[Anonymous No.1227575]

>>1227557
>I'm confused about where the YUV part comes in if you're planning on hooking it up to a PC

I was talking about how the KV-FS120 only accepts a YUV signal, and the PC would be outputting an RGB signal that would have to convetred to YUV. Though I suppose I could just get a card that can switch between both signals and find a D-SUB>component adapter, or one with component outs.
I'll go check out the transcoder, too.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227579]

>>1227575
No, you stated that the lack of YUV on the PVM would be a short coming, and then say that you're going to be hooking up to a PC.

Unless you'd plan on using other, YUV only equipment with it, why would this be a drawback?

[Anonymous No.1227614]

>>1227579
Oh, I think I was confused. Yes, I'll be hooking it up to a PC, which will also output YUV encoded video to it alongside gameplay. But I just now realized that even though the video would be encoded in YUV, it will still be sent over the RGB signal the PC outputs, which the PVM will accept. I was confused and my concern was that the colors would be distorted since you said the PVM will have a problem with YUV - but you meant inputting a YUV signal (through something like YUV RCA inputs) and not the encoded YUV colorspace of a video over an RGB signal, didn't you? Or am I making even less sense now?

Sorry, it's pretty late.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227623]

>>1227614
No, that makes complete sense.

Assuming that it doesn't have any burn in/abused all to hell and blurry, the 1340 should fit your needs rather well.

>Sorry, it's pretty late
Yeah, just going on 5am here.

[Anonymous No.1227631]

>>1227623
Great, that just made my day/night! I can't say for sure that there WON'T be glaring side effects of any heavy use as the seller hasn't listed it and doesn't have the equipment necessary to test it's picture quality, but cosmetically it looks to be in excellent condition. Even if there is something slightly wrong with it, oh well - it was only $30, and it'll probably still be better than the crap CRT I have right now.
Thanks for the help, Kya.

[Anonymous No.1227634]

>>1213764

As /vr/'s official 'dude who won't stfu about how underrated Illusion City is', I love you for this.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1227635]

>>1227631
If it's local, even bringing an SNES/Genesis should be able to show whether it has any glaring issues or not.

If ebay, it's really all flip of the coin; Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don't.

Either way, I wish you luck with your PVM; Time for sleep

[Anonymous No.1227756]

>>1222776
http://pastebin.com/rPk15bRT
Here's an incomplete list. I'll revise the paste as I get time to do so.

[Anonymous No.1227975]

>>1227756
Thanks. I wish I didn't have to switch resolution every time.

Anyway, thanks to this thread I ordered a SCART cable for my Wii and holy fucking shit you guys weren't kidding. This is amazing, everything is so clear. Like, I thought it looked fantastic before but this is just so much better.

[Anonymous No.1228259]

>>1227105
>branded "SONY TRINITRON TELEVISION/MONITOR" because it's got a single composite input
This. If a TV back in the day had a discrete video input, it could also be considered (and branded/marketed as) a monitor.

[Anonymous No.1228364]

Does anyone know how the Beovision MX8000 holds up compared to the 7000?

[Anonymous No.1228378]

>>1228364
I heard the 8000 fixes the problems that the 7000 had and offer even better audio than the previous models.
But the <=6000 is better for retro games.

[Anonymous No.1228620]

Higuys!

I'm a little new to CRT's So forgive me but I have a question. I picked up my Sony WEGA a while back and it is really a beautiful TV, but it seems to occasionally have issues playing N64, Playstation and sometimes Super Nintendo.

I occasionally get these shadows in the top and bottom corners on the left side of the screen, and I'm just wondering if there is anything I can do about that. They arent super harmful, but can get annoying and occasionally they bend the image on the TV itself.

[Anonymous No.1229190]

Oh don't mind me, just posting my favourite display.

1/3

[Anonymous No.1229195]

Straight SCART sockets are the best. Having the port on the side make it easy to swap cables which is nice.

2/3

[Anonymous No.1229201]

And here's Darius Gaiden via my Saturn.

Looks even nicer than my 9" PVM and my Commodore 1081.

I'd love a 20" BVM/PVM one day but I don't really have room for now.

[Anonymous No.1229203]

>>1229195

[Anonymous No.1229220]

>>1229203
I am confused as to what you're trying to imply.

[Anonymous No.1229228]

>>1229225
Ah.

Actually I did read that as I was leaving for work and chuckled the other day.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1229225]

>>1229220
There is a knob labeled "Hue" in your picture.

[Anonymous No.1229296]

>>1227360
haha i had that exact same desk--fucking hated it though

[Anonymous No.1229330]

>>1220135
digging the stone wall

[Anonymous No.1229352]

I may use a CRT by design for my SD consoles but I don't monkey around with old shit for the sake of old shit. I run a quality, late-model CRT with modern inputs.

[Anonymous No.1229502]

>>1229352
>I run a quality, late-model CRT

There is a shitton of shitastic late model CRTs. Professional monitors from any year, including earlier ones, will almost always ouperform your run-of-the-mill, way-later model CRT.

>with modern inputs

Like DVI and HDMI? I guess you like your 15 khz resolution upscaled to a 31 khz one.

Just because something is old doesn't make it inferior or bad, and just because something's new doesn't mean it's better. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.1229639]

[Anonymous No.1229664]

>>1229639
mah nigga

[Anonymous No.1229696]

>>1229190
>>1229195
>>1229201

Gosh I love that. Judging from the reflections the room looks comfy too.

[Anonymous No.1229730]

>>1229201
>>1229195
>>1229190

You just made me add your monitor model in my "MUST BUY" list. Good job anon.

[Anonymous No.1229737]

>>1229639
wat is game please

[Anonymous No.1229761]

>>1229737

Seiken Densetsu 3.

[Anonymous No.1229776]

Shitty picture from an old nokia 6085 flip phone, but it was taken when I FINALLY beat Astynax for the NES...I was so fucking proud that I had to snap a picture

Plot twist: The TV I played it on is older then I am (27 years)

[Anonymous No.1229840]

>>1229639
How do you take a shoot this good? Do you like, have to play with the shutter or something?

[Anonymous No.1229861]

>>1229840
i think it's just the rgb cables workin their magic

[Anonymous No.1232313]

>Sony BVM-1454D
>9 hours remaining
>21€ already

Why can't we have cheap PVM/BVM in Germany ;___;

[Anonymous No.1232320]

>>1232313

>21€
>Not cheap enought for a BVM

Dude that's so cheap for what it is that if I where you I would jump on it immediately!
And if I was a little bastard I would have already done this before posting because Germany isn't too far from where I live and the shipping + the price of this monitor cost less that what it's worth.

[Anonymous No.1232325]

>>1232320
>9 hours remaining
It will be 60-100€ in the end, trust me

[Anonymous No.1233320]

>>1232325
>>1232320
>>1232313
66€ was the winning bid

[Anonymous No.1233940]

What's a good component to VGA transcoder?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1233979]

[Anonymous No.1234004]

Does anyone know if PS3 component cables would work on a PS1?

This might not be the right thread to ask in, but since I don't want to start an entire new thread I'd rather ask here.

[Anonymous No.1234017]

>>1233979

THE SUPER GAME BOY 2 IS REGION FREE!?

[Anonymous No.1234024]

>>1234017
every gameboy is region free you derp

[Anonymous No.1234025]

>>1234017
All handhelds from nintendo (until the 3DS, the fucking cunts) are region free AFAIK.

[Anonymous No.1234027]

>>1234024
>>1234025

I knew gameboy games were region free, not the super gameboy. This'll work if I put it in a snes instead of a sfc without problems, right?

[Anonymous No.1234029]

>>1234027
Shouldn't be a problem at all.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1234030]

>>1234027
You'll need to chop 2 bits of plastic out of the SNES's cart slot, but it'll work just fine.

[Anonymous No.1234045]

>>1234027
not trying to be a dick here but if you knew the games were region free why wouldn't they work in a super gameboy 2? :P

[Anonymous No.1234046]

>>1234045
He's asking about the Super Gameboy 2 itself, which is in a Super Famicom/PAL SNES style shell as it was never released in the US.

[Anonymous No.1234087]

>>1234004
They'll work but they'll only put out RGB video, not YPbPr "component" video.

[Anonymous No.1234470]

I don't know too much about getting the best quality of old games, but is this a good deal?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-1351Q-13-Trinitron-Production-Color-Video-Monitor-/261340924232?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd9220948

I don't know what I'm getting into here, any links wold be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1234473]

>>1234087
Will it even work without an external sync line? Or, does the PS1 do SoG?

(A dual component/composite cable would give you the sync via the composite signal and the RGB signals on the YPbPr plugs...)

[Anonymous No.1235476]

My friend's PVM has this sort of issue where the screen warps back and forth like its behind an aquarium. Exactly like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4GgrluftI

Anybody have any bright ideas?

[Anonymous No.1235814]

>>1234473
You cannot use component on a PlayStation 1.

[Anonymous No.1236669]

I just a Sony Trinitron KV-13TR24.

Thing is, it has some audio issues such as hissing and the picture is too dark

I think I can solve the picture being too dark by getting a remote and turning up the brightness but what about the hissing? I have a NES hooked up though a RCA switch and doing away with the switch doesn't seem to help.

There's a quite buzz when I turn up the audio all the way and when I turn down the audio all the way I hear a hiss coming from the back

Any chance at fixing this TV?

[Anonymous No.1236720]

>>1234473
CSync - it might be easiest to just use the SCART cable unless you already have all the cabling to do it that way.

>>1235814
This will get you nitpicked by Eurofags. You can't use YPbPr, known in the US as "component" on a PS1. Anon is asking about getting RGB out of it and yes, the RGB comes out the same pins on the adapter that YPbPr comes out of on a PS2/3

[Hoshikawa No.1236770]

>>1235476
I left a comment on your video. I professionally repair CRT's, mostly for arcade applications nowadays. let me know if you need any help.

[Hoshikawa No.1236773]

>>1236770
here's some pics of the last CRT I fixed, complete recap, new flyback, new HOT, tube swap. the works.

[Hoshikawa No.1236784]

>>1236773
here's what it looks like while doing convergence.

[Hoshikawa No.1236786]

>>1236784
and here's a shot of some Strider.

[Anonymous No.1236847]

>>1236773
>>1236784
>>1236786
Got a guide how to refurbish a CRT? Particularly a Sony Trinitron and the flyback and speaker replacement?

[Anonymous No.1236853]

>>1236847
Or just some general tips for that matter.

[Hoshikawa No.1236865]

>>1236847
good luck finding a flyback, they only need replacement in specific situations anyhow. arcing, cracks etc. speaker replacement would be rather straightforward. everything else requires many many hours of labor. you're looking ~60 capacitors on average to do a recap. all with specific tolerance. it's really a case by case matter. working on a CRT is not for amateurs, there is lethal voltage even withthe power removed.

[Anonymous No.1236885]

>>1236786
I can't provide pics but I had this really nice hitachi TV its still in my parents basement I think but the picture has shrunk to the middle of the screen like it only projects a thin bar onto the screen and the top and bottom is just black. WTF causes that? Should I just get my parents to chuck it?

[Hoshikawa No.1236895]

>>1236885
a thin horizontal raster is caused by a failure in vertical deflection. not a serious repair but totally not worth it unless the set has sentimental value.

[Hoshikawa No.1236901]

>>1236895
it's what they call "vertical collapse"

[Anonymous No.1236907]

>>1236895
well it did belong to my dead grandma haha

[Hoshikawa No.1236912]

>>1236907
I just repaired a TV that belonged to this guys gramma, it's a '68 zenith. pretty bitchin' set. it's completely vacuum tube except for one single transistor in the video amplifier.

[Anonymous No.1236925]

>>1236912
what happens if a tube goes? can you even buy those anymore?

[Anonymous No.1236927]

Hey guys, I've had my PVM for a while and I hate having to lay it on my floor. The problem is that those things stretch back far, so none of my cabinets or shelves will actually fit it. Until I can find a proper TV stand, anyone have any good ideas for a makeshift one? Maybe a milk cart or a stool?

[Hoshikawa No.1236930]

>>1236925
well this set uses 'compactrons' almost exclusively, they made much more than would ever be used so they are readily available on the secondhand market, which is good for me because nearly every tube in this set was bad. finding a working vacuum tube tester is another matter altogether. this is what a hand wired chassis looks like.

[Anonymous No.1236949]

>>1236865
I am aware of the voltage and I know how to replace capacitors

I am this guy here >>1236669 asking about my Sony Trinitron

[Hoshikawa No.1236956]

>>1236949
any buzzing in the audio, especially with the volume turned down, is most definitely a capacitor issue. at the very least you will need a schematic for the set, or the ability to locate the audio section on the PCB, determine the values for the caps, buy some new ones from mouser and replace them.

[Anonymous No.1236960]

>>1236956
Well, it's more of a hiss when the audio is down

When the audio is up, there's a buzzing sound

[Anonymous No.1236970]

>>1236960
and the hiss comes from the back and the buzz comes from the speaker

[Anonymous No.1236976]

>>1236930
What are the best brands of CRTs for picture quality apart from Sony. I had an RCA xl 100 with the cheap plastic wood finish but it seemed to have a really nice picture despite being a couple decades older than me probably Its gotta be from the 70s I think it has a dial.

[Hoshikawa No.1236996]

>>1236976
honestly the absolute best (shadow mask) crt's are going to be made by zenith and RCA. sony is completely different with their Trinitron, they basically reinvented the CRT. Hitachi made very good shadow mask tubes as well.

[Anonymous No.1237010]

>>1236996
Does this include RCA/GE/ProScan from the '90s, during the time their TVs were made by Thomson?

[Hoshikawa No.1237018]

>>1237010
RCA ceased to be an american company after 1986, anything made after is most likely chinese junk, and I cannot stress this enough, chinese CRT's suck ass.

[Anonymous No.1237029]

>>1236970
>>1236960
So its a capacitor issue? Both of those hissing and buzzing issues can be solved by replacing caps?

[Anonymous No.1237032]

>>1237018
Well at least my RCA from 1990 was assembled in Indiana, though I've never opened it to look at the CRT itself. I figured at least since Thomson was a European company they might be using Euro or American CRTs.

[Hoshikawa No.1237042]

>>1237029
buzzing yes, hissing I would have to hear to diagnose. it could be you are hearing the 15khz noise that is prevalent in all CRT's.

[Anonymous No.1237045]

>>1236996
whats the best way to hook up a console when the TV is so old it only has those prong thingies VHF ones

[Hoshikawa No.1237057]

>>1237045
if you mean it has only 300 ohm balanced antenna leads, you can use whats known as a 'balun' to attach a standard F connector. It is imperative that you match impedance or the signal will look like complete shit.

[Anonymous No.1237073]

>>1237057
yeah thats it, thats what I use too was just wondering if there was anything better or if I needed to pass it through a signal amplifier or anything

[Anonymous No.1237110]

>>1237042
Well the hissing I think is from the flyback

Maybe a cap replacement will fix the audio buzz coming out of the speakers

[Anonymous No.1237446]

>>1237110
well, I've been searching for a service manual online for my Sony Trinitron KV-13TR24 but no luck

This is going to bother the shit out of me

[Anonymous No.1237912]

So I just tried running some GBA games on my CRT using retroarch and I'm very pleased with the result. I'm not sure if I got the right aspect ratio and everything but it looks really good.

Camera doesn't really do it justice but whatever.

[Anonymous No.1237940]

>>1236770
Thanks for the help, you seem very knowledgeable. Do you mind staying in touch through email? Also that's not my video D:

[Anonymous No.1237947]

>>1237912
Oh shit, I own that same LG TV and it was never the same after I had it repaired years ago, everything is waaaay too dark even with the brightness up. I'm considering tossing it away now that I scrounged a Sony Trinitron from the curb last week.

[Anonymous No.1237960]

>>1237912
Looks good, what's gba aspect ratio btw?

[Anonymous No.1237967]

>>1237947
I got it from a friend and I'm pretty damn pleased with it. My other option was a Sony one but it was huge so I didn't take it.
It has no component but the SCART cables I ordered for my Wii are great.

>>1237960
According to Wikipedia 3:2, which means I'll have to change it when I play later.

[Anonymous No.1237971]

>>1237967
I hope you gonna play ZOE

[Anonymous No.1237974]

>>1237971
ZOE? Like, Zone of the Enders for the GBA?

[Anonymous No.1237980]

>>1237974
yup

[Anonymous No.1237981]

>>1237980
Sure, I can grab that.

[Anonymous No.1237991]

>>1237018
>>1237032
Apparently a Thomson TV assembled in the U.S. from the '80s through '04 may just mean an American-made tube after all. I thought so, since it would make sense for a high-volume manufacturer like them to have their tube production and TV assembly in close proximity, especially if the assembly plant is located in the U.S. (If you were going to make tubes somewhere else with cheaper labor, why not build the whole TV there too?)

http://www.ibew.org/articles/04journal/0405/p11.htm
http://broadcastengineering.com/news/thomson-shuts-down-american-picture-tube-production

I really like the picture and features on mine, BTW. Glad I still have it, much MUCH nicer than the Mexican-made Sony "NAFTA" TV I tried a few years later. Then again, I have a Chinese-built Philips from only 10 years ago that I also like, so...

>>1237912
ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA

[Anonymous No.1238002]

Trying to figure out what kind of inputs this one has. It appears to be a Sony KV-1414AS

Can anyone help me out?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1238005]

>>1238002
RF only from the looks of it.

[Anonymous No.1238009]

>>1238005
Fuck. it's a good looking tv too :(
ah well.

Heres a pic

[Hoshikawa No.1238078]

>>1237940
you can find me in the eternal CRT thread :P

[ChairmanKaga !!CicWaLxf/M7 No.1238134]

>>1238078
Thanks, well I plan on doing this myself so in an effort to not get shocked to death do you have any recommended reading? (I'm the guy with the wavy raster) Much appreciated.

I could also take a new video if that would help diagnose issues, although that video isn't mine I ended up grabbing the CRT off him so I use it as an example of the issue :V

[Anonymous No.1238165]

>>1227360
whoa, the only bad thing in this pic is the keyboard.

[Anonymous No.1238979]

Will I regret getting a pvm-1342q for $50?

[Anonymous No.1239235]

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pho/4200129952.html

This seems pretty expensive. Is it a good deal, though, /vr/? There's next to no PVMs in my state that aren't 8-inch portables.

[Anonymous No.1239409]

>>1220119
Holy shit, a portable-sized trinitron? But it's rather big.

[Anonymous No.1239954]

>>1237446
I've diagnosed the buzzing from my Sony Trinitron KV-13TR24s speaker. It seems that its picking up static from some where though the RCA ports. Nothing plugged in and it's fine but when I plug in an RCA cable I get the buzzing

It seems something isn't grounded or shielded right

[Anonymous No.1239978]

>>1239235
You could get one on eBay any time for that, delivered.

[Anonymous No.1240193]

what have i done to this poor little fellow...

[Anonymous No.1240525]

Hello Folks.

I recently picked up a lovely Sony KV-27FS100 from Kijiji. When I ran the self diagnostic thing, it showed no recorded problems, yet when I got home and started playing with stuff, I found some issues with the geometry in the form of a curved image at the corners of the screen.

I am completely new to CRTs so I really have no idea what this means or how to fix it. I've played with some of the settings in the service menu and it's fixed things a bit, but the main issue is still a large curve at the centre of the screen.

Any advice would be very helpful.

[Anonymous No.1240529]

>>1240525
2/2

Also there is the issue of that slight squiggle at the top of the screen. Once again, any advice greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1240532]

>>1240529
>>1240525
Just asking, how do you get into a Sony Trinitron self diagnostic?

[Anonymous No.1240553]

>>1240532
While the TV is off, press Display, 5, Volume -, then Power in fairly quick succession. If it worked a menu should come up showing a set of values. If they all read 0 zero chances are everything is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.1240557]

>>1240553
Alright

Does this work on a set from say 1990? I need to know because I have a set that's kinda pissing me off here >>1239954. Also the picture is too dark.

I am wondering if getting a remote for it would be worth it.

[Anonymous No.1240561]

>>1240557
Not positive... It can change depending on the model, but I believe the service menu works across multiple sets. I'm not sure when it was put into effect though.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1240560]

>>1240557
I've got a feeling that only works for the FD/WEGA series "Flat Screen" Trinitrons.

[Anonymous No.1240562]

>>1240560
>>1240561
Alright then

If I could only get my hands on a god damn service manual

>MFW they want $30 for it on e-bay

[Anonymous No.1240565]

>>1240562
Where there's a will, there's a pdf of it somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1240569]

>>1240565
I know but fuck

I am having one hell of a time finding it

This is harder then finding a model one sega CD service manual

[Anonymous No.1240582]

>>1240569
Pretty much convinced its not out there on a free site

[Anonymous No.1240694]

>>1240193

Oh god please clean it!

[Anonymous No.1241254]

>>1240569
You could always have a bunch of people pitch in and then scan it for the public good.

[Anonymous No.1241303]

>>1240569
I don't want to link directly to the page, but try this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=kv-13tr24s+site:dtforum.net

You'll probably have to register a legit account to download the files and see if they are actually the service manual. I tried an account password I found on the net for you and was insta-banned from the site, so I couldn't get that far. Plus I don't understand Spanish.

Good luck.

[Anonymous No.1241587]

Does a little flashing on the side of the screen mean anything?

[Anonymous No.1241595]

>>1241587
your tv is a bomb waiting to go off

run

[Anonymous No.1241912]

So I may need to look into this, but it looks like my PVM seems to be sharper in SVideo for my SNES & Modded N64 vs RGB Scart.

Is this normal? SNES Scart doesn't artifact as much as SVideo. But dag gummit it just seems like SVideo out might be best for my N64.

[Anonymous No.1241942]

>>1240525
>>1240529

Hi there peeps. I'm the guy who posted these, and now I'm here with a new question. So I took pictures of my problem to a local service place, and they said that the problem is something called a "Pincushion Distortion", and they could fix it for a little under $100, unless something is busted inside and needs replacing. I'm hesitant to do so, because I paid 40$ for the TV, but I really like the model, and could see myself using it as my main screen if I were able to fix the problem. If at all possible I would like to try and fix the issue myself, but the issue being I have no idea how. Once again, any help that could be given is supremely appreciated.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1241953]

>>1241942
Go into the service menu and try fiddling around with the lpin and upin settings

[Anonymous No.1242074]

There are (2) sony trinitrons by the garbage down the street. Are these worth going and scooping up?

[Anonymous No.1242079]

>>1241912
If I recall Nintendo has very strange rgb cables that don't work between consoles very well and have differing combinations of resistors and capacitors http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3203.0
This might be your issue?

Also an RGB modded n64 can vary significantly with quality. I'm fortunate enough to have an early french one in which they left the circuit traces for the RGB side of things and it just required copying the components used in the pal SNES so working this out was easy.

In short it's not normal and check your leads and components.

[Anonymous No.1242131]

>>1242074
>worth
They're free ya dingus. What do you think?

Is your busy 4chan posting schedule going to be interrupted drastically by having a nice look-see at what you might be able to do with them?

[Anonymous No.1242394]

>>1242131
alright you convinced me. be back in 20 minutes with a wawa sandwich and some pics of said CRTs and maybe a pic of said sandwich.

Is there anything about them I should know/look for? they look relatively new.

[Anonymous No.1242502]

>>1241953
Hmm. Fiddling with these settings seems to slightly adjust the problem, but nothing I do seems to Outright fix it.

[Anonymous No.1242673]

Should I go for Flat CRT or Curved CRT?

[Anonymous No.1242810]

>>1242673
Curved. Flats have a really easy tendency to go all shagged in geometry even if it is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.1242818]

Got a PVM-8044q today
shits pretty rad.

[Anonymous No.1242916]

>>1242673
I'm the guy above who posted the pictures of my trinitron. I opted for a flatscreen, and the pincushioning issue im having is driving me up the wall so I would recommend curved if you can find one.

[Anonymous No.1243084]

>>1241303
>Spanish

God damn it

Well, what could cause static to be picked up from an RCA port?

[Anonymous No.1243115]

>>1243084
>Register
>Go to download service manual pdf
>An Error Has Occurred!
It seems that you are not allowed to download or view attachments on this board.

[Anonymous No.1243118]

>>1242394
Wawa
>East Coast
>My Nigga
pick two

Where you at? Likely PA or South Jersey...but now Wawa is down as far as FLA so I cant make that guess anymore.

[Anonymous No.1243191]

When I make custom resolutons for my CRT monitor, there are black bars around the active image by default. While I can adjust my monitor to have the active image fill the screen, I have to do it for every resolution and it sometimes loses its settings.

Is there a way to tweak the timings to not have black bars around the image when creating custom resolutions for PC CRT monitors?

[Anonymous No.1243260]

Sorry for the bad picture quality but I just goot pic related from a neighbor down the hall. It's a Hitachi ct7892b. That's all I know about it really. It's pretty big. Appears to work just fine. Has 3 coaxial jacks and 3 sets of av jacks for vidya. Is this a good tv?

[Anonymous No.1243262]

>>1243260

[Anonymous No.1243269]

D-does my screen look good guys?

Games look so gorgeous on it.

[Anonymous No.1243270]

>>1243262
And this is the tv I was using. Crappy little 20 inch. Front av don't even work.

[Anonymous No.1243317]

>>1213956
I've had a ton. A lot of cheaper crt's in the 90's-early 2000's didn't have av ports.

[Anonymous No.1243326]

>>1220135
That looks so comfy.

[Anonymous No.1243365]

I owned 3 trinitrons
KV25FV12/5 -Flat from 2000. RCA, S-Video
KV2150R -Curved from 1993. RCA well just the yellow and white
KV21FM100 -Flat from 2003. RCA same as above just yellow and white
Which one should I keep?

[Anonymous No.1243373]

>>1243365
Why do some just have the left audio jack?

[Anonymous No.1243384]

>>1243373
No Idea
Something about mono sound or something

[Anonymous No.1243395]

>>1243384
Yeah like maybe it only has to do with tv's that have only one speaker.

[Anonymous No.1243871]

Could my CRT tv be the reason my left eyelid has been twitching a lot lately? I've been using it for the first time in 5 or so years for visually taxing games such as fighters and shoot-em-ups. It also makes my eyes really dry for some reason. I never get these problems with my PC monitor, which I'm on nearly all of the day.

[Anonymous No.1243876]

>>1243871
Blink every now and then

[Anonymous No.1244428]

Is a Sony Trinitron PVM-1341 decent for gaming? Someone on craigslist is selling them for $50, was thinking it would be a great deal for a studio Trinitron.

[Anonymous No.1244437]

>>1244428
They're about 20 years old and will likely have issues with the tube (These things were more often than not left on 24/7 so it's generally best to go with later models), so proceed with caution.

Also, while they do RGB, they don't do YPbPr (What we call component), so you'll have to have either make or get someone to make a SCART-to-BNC converter for you as opposed to going the easy route of converting SCART to component and then converting that to BNC with converters from Amazon. Connecting newer systems that output component natively is also going to be a pain.

But for $50 it's a nice deal if you can try it out before you buy it.

[Anonymous No.1244465]

>>1244437
Alright, thanks for the help. I can probably talk the owner down a bit too so it sounds like a good deal.

[Anonymous No.1244726]

>>1243262
My Genesis looks awesome on this tv. And it's using a 20 year old rf adapter.

[Anonymous No.1244728]

>>1244726

[Anonymous No.1244734]

>>1244729
>is going to cover up the fact that they're primarily about reciting memorized button combos against an opponent on a generic, flat 2D screen.

And here is where you show that you have no idea what you're talking about. Combos are only one part of knowing how to play fighting games.

It's also funny because there are a number of fighting games that don't focus on combos at all. But do continue to shit up threads with your ignorance.

[TForce88 No.1244802]

I've got two CRTs currently.

The attached pic is a screencap of my 24" Insignia NS-24FTV, showing Space Megaforce (SNES) via Composite Video. (The picture is much brighter IRL than the pic suggests). My parents bought it for me for collage back in the fall of 2006, making it one of the last analog-only CRT TVs ever made. As such, it is a flat-faced CRT (the inside glass is curved) and has excellent image quality for a standard-def CRT TV.

It has 2 composite video inputs (one set is on the left side towards the front), 1 S-Video input, 1 Component Video input (480i only), and 1 set of composite audio AND VIDEO outputs! That said, using the S-Video input will override the rear composite video input (they share the same audio jacks), and the side composite A/V jacks share the same channel as the Component A/V inputs on the back. Yeah.

The TV was apparently made by LG and was sold under numerous different brands. For such a "generic" TV, it's an excellent performer.

Pic of the TV itself:
http://www.insigniaproducts.com/generated/images/products/productdetail/7601026_ra.jpg

[TForce88 No.1244831]

>>1244802
My other CRT is much older; it's a 15" Sony KV-1547R from 1982. It cost $8 from a local Goodwill, and that included the original RM-707 remote and all the original documentation (Owner's Manual, Basic Schematic Diagram, Warranty card, and Important Safeguards card). This TV is RF-only, so I use it for my older consoles (Atari 2600, NES).

The only noticeable cosmetic flaw is the missing faceplate on the Volume + button (the button itself still works). The TV itself works phenomenally for being an unrestored 31-year-old TV. It does take a few extra seconds to warm up compared to my 24" Insignia, and the picture has a very strong red cast when it first fades into view (the colors fade to normal in ~2 seconds). Other than that, the TV performs flawlessly.

Interestingly enough, although it has separate VHF and UHF connectors, the VHF connector is the "modern-day" 75-OHM connector, while the UHF connector is the old 300-OHM twin-lead connector. The TV is also "cable ready" (not anymore now that you have to have a converter box with cable nowadays), but only tunes CATV channels 2-36, 98, and 99 (oddly enough, 98 and 99 are tuned in by setting the TV to channel 00 and 01, respectively)

Captcha = mancizo tins

[TForce88 No.1244836]

>>1244831
Forgot to mention that there is a very minor convergence issue on the top right corner of the screen, but it's not noticeable most of the time unless you really look for it.

[Anonymous No.1245498]

I'm wondering if this is the best thread to ask about this, but I have an old Dell CRT that I'm trying to set to 320x240, but every time I manage it, it upscales a 320x240 image into 640x480 and looks terrible. I'm running Nvidia and while it looks very, very nice at 640x480 I'd prefer being able to run it at 320x240 without looking like an upscaled mess. Is it a driver issue or what?

[Anonymous No.1245509]

>>1245498
Not the best thread, not even in the right board

[Anonymous No.1245518]

>>1245509
Well, I'd really rather not set foot in /g/ again, if not just because the community there is hostile as all hell, but I really doubt there are that many people running CRTs at 240p to emulate old video games and I figure there's more than a handful of people here who know how to get it working.

[Anonymous No.1245534]

>>1245498
change the timing calculation from automatic to cvt. Also, you can't run at 320x240. Your best bet is 1280x480 interlaced.

[Anonymous No.1245578]

>>1243191
Sounds like your monitor is probably saving the overscan settings on a per-scanrate basis, and it has limited memory.

[Anonymous No.1245869]

Spyro 2 on my Trinitron from around 2002 running on my ps3 via component. I like the image a lot but the image seems way too dark sometimes. What are some ways to fix this? I've already messed around with the brightness and contrast but that doesn't seem to do much.

[Anonymous No.1246010]

>>1245869
Some Trinitrons have an adjustment on the fly-back transformer that says "Screen"

Keep in mind, this is VERY dangerous if you don't know what you're doing and there is very high voltage that can kill you.

[Anonymous No.1246729]

>CRT threads on /v/
>>>/v/221145814

This is painful to read.

[Anonymous No.1246739]

>>1246729

>going to /v/ after /vr/ hhave been created

There is your mistake

[Anonymous No.1246742]

>>1246729
>>1246739

That thread was created by a /vr/ shitposter

[Anonymous No.1246821]

>>1246742
It was created by the same person who starts ylyl threads on /b/, makes requests on /gif/, asks if scat is paranormal on /x/, posts horribly modified guns on /k/, etc.

It isn't a /vr/ shitposter, it's a shitposter.

[Anonymous No.1246852]

>>1246821
I was specifically calling him out because I recognize the image/filename and have seen them on /vr/.

But yeah it doesn't really matter. Shit is still shit.

[Anonymous No.1246890]

>>1214579
i too know this feel

[Anonymous No.1247152]

>>1237446
Bumping my question about a service manual for a Sony Trinitron KV-13TR24 and why the fuck would it be picking up static from an RCA port if a cable is plugged in

[Anonymous No.1247175]

>>1247152
Man, I don't know. Ground loop?

And go figure out why you can't download stuff from that Spanish site I posted.

[Anonymous No.1247178]

>>1247175
I can't fucking download anything from there

I'm not part of their club. I registered any everything and I have no accesses.

[Anonymous No.1247189]

>>1247178
I mean, figure out why. Like, do you have to be registered for a few days first, or do you have to have a certain number of posts?

I can't test because I was banned for using a shared pass and I'm stuck on this one IP, otherwise I might have been able to grab the PDFs myself or at least figure out what to do.

[Anonymous No.1247263]

[Anonymous No.1247302]

A few months ago, someone complained about RetroArch on the Wii playing games at the incorrect Hz.

I believe the issue was he was using FBA, and that's just how FBA is. Using MAME uses the correct Hz right?

[Anonymous No.1247407]

>>1245498
>>1245518

Have you found an asnwer to this? I'm having the exact same problem

>>1245534
I thought it was possible running it at 120hz, so it comes out to a ~31khz scan rate.I set my monitor (which is capable of refreshing up to 160 hz and scanning at 29-70 khz) to 240x360@120hz in Powerstrip (which says it'll come out to 31khz), but my OSD keeps reporting a 60hz refresh rate and it looks horrible, which means it has to be rescaling to 640x480, even though Powerstrip and CCC report 320x240.

I'd really hate to buy a smaller, expensive PVM when I have a perfectly good 17" monitor which is supposedly able to do true 240p at 120hz

[Anonymous No.1247441]

>>1245498
It's your video card/drivers. Standard ones won't go lower than 640x480p.

You'll either need an old radeon card and hacked drivers called "CRT EMUDRIVER", or a program called Soft15khz. Look them up.

[Anonymous No.1247518]

>>1247441
How old?

[Anonymous No.1247526]

>>1247189
Oh, well, I guess I could research it a bit more

[Anonymous No.1247540]

>>1247175
>>1247526
Also, the TV doesn't have a ground on the plug.

Weird

[Anonymous No.1247567]

>>1247526
Save your time, I checked again and used a translator. You need a paid membership. So obviously you could just buy the PDF download from a manual site instead.

I thought I found another free site, but all download attempts timed out and there was a "sorry" message on the later attempts.

I'm done, but I gave it a shot for you anon.

[Anonymous No.1247569]

>>1247567
Thanks man..

I had no idea Sony service manuals where so hard to find

[Anonymous No.1247598]

>>1247569
>>1247567
>I'm done
I lied. I hate losing, so I gave it one last shot.

I remembered the title of that Spanish site's thread, "YA ESTA TV SONY KV-1427R = KV-13TR24" so I did a search for that other model number and found the schematic PDF.

https://www.google.com/search?q=KV-1427R+service+manual

[Anonymous No.1247605]

>>1245498

31khz monitors can do 240p at 120hz

Horizontal resolution can be anything. I use 3840 for scaling purposes

[Anonymous No.1247608]

>>1247598
>Go to download PFD
>Wants me to install an .EXE

Yeahhh....

[TForce88 No.1247609]

>>1247540
That's not weird at all. Most CRTs I've seen/used/encountered didn't use 3-pronged (i.e. grounded) plugs.

[Anonymous No.1247614]

>>1247609
How can it be a grounding issue then? The buzzing comes from having an RCA cable plugged into the audio port. It almost acts like an antenna

[Anonymous No.1247619]

>>1247608
No, I downloaded the PDF from elektrotanya.

Protip: Don't *ever* click on those big green or red buttons that say download. That's never the download link. Read the small print whenever you see one of those. The real link is plain text, right there under the preview image.

[Anonymous No.1247621]

>>1247441
>It's your video card/drivers. Standard ones won't go lower than 640x480p.


That's false. You can do less if you increase the refresh rate to keep the horizontal refresh rate from falling below the range of the monitor (most CRT monitors have a lower limit of 29khz).

You don't need old ass Radeon cards or hacked drivers to do this, I can do this easily with Nvidia Control Panel on my GTX 460

[Anonymous No.1247617]

>>1247608
Wait, might have got it..

This is for a 1427R. I'm wondering if its the same as a KV-13TR24

[Anonymous No.1247629]

>>1247617
Look closely, it mentions the 13tr24 in there.

[Anonymous No.1247635]

>>1247619
Yeah, I know that. I found it.

>>1247629
Ah, alright

This might work

I remember looking at this site before but add block and no scrip went crazy

[Anonymous No.1247638]

>>1247635
>>1247629
This is a start.

I wish it had a parts list, but I might be able to work with this

[Hoshikawa No.1247642]

I'm back if anyone needs help with a CRT.

[Anonymous No.1247648]

>>1247642
What could cause a screen to be darker then normal? Would adjusting the screen on the fly-back help at all?

Also, what would cause buzzing though an RCA cable attached to the audio port of a TV?

[Anonymous No.1247653]

>>1247642
I have a Profeel (japanese prosumer pvm) 27" and it seems like the picture from it is kind of dark but I dont know if I'm calibrating it horribly or not. I have a Trinitron also and the picture is tons brighter but it's a lot newer? I've seen people's PVM pictures and they seem a lot brighter. Also white text seems to have somewhat of a ghosting effect.

[Hoshikawa No.1247656]

>>1247648
the buzzing is a capacitor issue, aluminum electrolytic capacitors have a life expectancy in the thousands of hours. in a ten to fifteen year old set they are likely well beyond their design life. as for a dark raster, this is caused by the aging of the CRT cathode elements. CRT's also have a life expectancy and they do become darker over time. you can only compensate for this so much until the tube needs replacement. you can try adjusting the 'screen' control to see if it helps.

[Anonymous No.1247664]

>>1247656
Huh, alright

Yeah, I asked that question before. I'm thinking it might be a grounding issue more then a capacitor issue

I only get a hum or buzz when an RCA cable is plugged in like this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YM1iwC6vhg

I do have quite a few systems and an RCA switch that I use attached to it

[TForce88 No.1247690]

>>1221332
That's weird; the Goodwills in my area (Indianapolis) still accept CRTs. In fact, finding any TV at a Goodwill that ISN'T a CRT is a VERY rare occurrence. I'll probably find 50+ CRTs for every non-CRT TV I encounter.

That said, the vast majority of the CRTs I find are small (12"-20") el-cheapo models made between the late '80s and the early 2000s, which typically feature a single composite input paired with a SINGLE audio input! On the flip side, there are always 2-3 CRT projection TVs there, and half the time there are also HDTVs!

Every once in a while, you'll get really lucky--either you'll find a relatively recent CRT (2000-2007) with component video inputs, or you'll find a really nice vintage TV (like my KV-1547R). One time, I even found a Sony 25XBR in the very rare salmon-colored cabinet (they usually come in gray cabinets). It even had an RGB input, but it on a strange, proprietary 34-pin connector. I seriously thought about buying it, but I'm glad I didn't: the next time I came in the store, the TV wouldn't turn on properly, and there was a lovely burning smell in the general area. Oh, and there weren't any speakers with it either (the 25XBR used external speakers). Lucked out on that one!

Captcha = contracted catibid

[Hoshikawa No.1247694]

>>1247664
well I can only do so much troubleshooting over the net. maybe try plugging another audio source into the TV, using a different cable.

[Anonymous No.1247697]

I finally found a SNES S-video cable that works.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360782420507

[Anonymous No.1247706]

>>1247694
Yeah, alright

I do have a newer Trinitron that I can subsittue but god damn it if I don't want to get this 1990 one working

[Anonymous No.1247710]

>>1247697
would that work with n64?

[Anonymous No.1247713]

>>1247605
>>1247621

When I set my CRT monitor to 320x240p@120 hz in Powerstrip, it keeps upscaling to 640x480@60hz after I apply the display profile.
How can I get it to do 240p@120hz?
It refreshes up yo 160 hz

[Anonymous No.1247720]

>>1247710
snes/n64/gamecube uses same cable, I dont have snes but mine works fine on gamecube and n64

[Anonymous No.1247932]

>>1247713

I had that problem until I messed with the timings

[Anonymous No.1247979]

>>1247608
I had that problem with finding a 3DO FZ-10 service manual.

Site listed a 4 part PDF, first 3 look normal, part 4 is "manualPDF.exe" and I go retarded out of curiosity and download it.

My AV nukes the file before it's even done and is like "You stupid or something?"

[Anonymous No.1247984]

>>1247932
Thanks anon, but I don't have an nVidia card so I don't know how to change the timing to CVT for an AMD driver, if changing to CVT is absolutely necessary, but I'll try doing 1280x240@120hz

[Anonymous No.1247987]

>>1247984
>>1247932
Oh, and I don't think Powerstrip has an option to do that either since it supposedly predates CVT

[Anonymous No.1248017]

>>1247987
It doesn't have to me CVT, it works with GTF and DMT as well as manual timings. The point was to not use Automatic since it tries to scale to a "regular" resolution by default

[Anonymous No.1248094]

>>1248017
I don't see options to change the timing in Powerstrip or Catalyst Control Center at all, and I assume it's set on Automatic...

However, I did try 1280x240@120hz, which seemed to work since I got scanlines this time and my CRT's OSD is reporting a 120hz refresh rate, but the aspect ratio is way off. Is this how it's supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.1248663]

>>1248094
You can also try 321x240@120. ATI drivers are hardwired to enable doublescan for 320x240. Using 321 instead of 320 usually bypasses this.

[Anonymous No.1248880]

>>1248094
Scale games to fit the horizontal resolution. This is a solution to the fact many games use 256 horizontal resolutions and 1280 is a common multiple of 256 and 320 so you can use the same resolution for these games.

Otherwise, you will have to make separate custom resolutions for each game's resolution.

[Anonymous No.1248993]

How is this model ?

[Anonymous No.1248998]

>>1248993
>no penis reflection
You dissapointed me

[Anonymous No.1249184]

>>1248993
model # is more useful than a pic

[Anonymous No.1249401]

in short, Im getting terrible image quality with s-video cable, while rca is better, is this problem with my n64 or is it just my cable?

[Anonymous No.1249404]

in short, Im getting terrible image quality with s-video cable, while rca is better, is this problem with my n64 or is it just my cable?

[Anonymous No.1249459]

Does this look like a good deal, /vr/? It's a 1350 with RGB inputs. Seems like a great deal if it really hasn't been used.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/251334156900?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1

[Anonymous No.1249474]

>>1249404
Pictures are too blurry to see what's going on. What kind of artifacts are there?

[Anonymous No.1249563]

>>1249474
it doesnt show up in pictures as clearly as it does IRL, but if you look closely below HUD you should see it.
Picture is grainy and has some sort of fuzzy checker board like artifacts(if that makes any sense), mostly noticeable on dark ares or when screen fades to black.

[Anonymous No.1249565]

>>1249563
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1249609]

>>1249565
Looks like the color subcarrier to me. It's quite likely that either the cable is poorly shielded which causes interference or the composite signal is wired as luma.

[Anonymous No.1249660]

>>1249565
I'd want to know what that scene is actually supposed to look like.

[Anonymous No.1249696]

>>1249660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQK1FOR8oGA

[Anonymous No.1251048]

I don't know what is up with my tv but I have 3 sets of AV ports on the back of my tv. I also have a button on the front of my tv specifically for toggling between each of them. But it only goes to 2 and then goes back to cable. Why won't it switch to the 3rd set? What are they even there for if I can't use em?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1251051]

>>1251048
Video/Audio out perhaps?

[Anonymous No.1251054]

>>1251051
What exactly does that mean? All 3 sets are bunched together, then next to those 3 are a set of just left and right audio.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1251059]

>>1251054
>What exactly does that mean?
That third set could be used for outputting what ever Video/Audio you a sending to the 2 sets you're able to access; For chaining to another TV or recording purposes.

Given the model number, google could clear this up rather quickly.

Dark picture, but something like this.

[Anonymous No.1251061]

>>1251059
Makes sense. It's a Hitachi ct7892b. I tried googling it but didn't get much. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

[Anonymous No.1251063]

>>1251059
Tell me

How can a TV be receiving ground loop feed back though an RCA cable, and there be a buzzing from the speaker, but the TV isn't grounded.

An RCA cable attached to the audio RCA port with nothing on the other end seems to cause the buzzing too. Take the cable off and there's nothing.

I'm thinking I might need a ground lift some where.

I have an RCA switch that I have stuff attached too but that isn't grounded either.

[Anonymous No.1251083]

Hey /vr/, currently have my old consoles hooked up to a Philips 20PT1553 but the curved screen and buzzing sound is bothering me.

There a way I could check what causes the buzzing sound? I can solder boards etc so replacing old parts shouldn't be a problem, just have no knowledge at all about CRT's.

Any guide / recommendations for flat CRT's with high picture quality?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1251090]

>>1251063
I don't know

Sorry. That TV actually has an ever so slight buzz from it's speakers too.

[Anonymous No.1251856]

>>1229190
It was these pictures that made me order one of these after suffering with a shitty lcd for my consoles for so long. Just waiting for delivery now.

[Anonymous No.1252176]

>>1251090
Hmm, alright

I've drawn my set up from memory

[Anonymous No.1252215]

>>1252176
Do you have cable TV? If so, what hapens when you disconnect it from the system?

[Anonymous No.1252220]

>>1252215
I'm the person who first mentioned a possible ground loop and found all that Spanish site and elektrotanya stuff in the first place, btw.

[Anonymous No.1252252]

>>1252215
>>1252220
No, this TV does not have cable TV set up.

I do get my power from a cable that hangs down from an outlet that is connected to a garage door opener. Maybe that's the source.

I've revised this to show the power coming in from that cable in red

[Anonymous No.1252263]

>>1252252
I'm think there's a difference in the grounded outlets. It might be a few ohms but it might be enough to cause a buzz

>>1252220
And thanks for all the help

[Anonymous No.1252275]

>>1252252
check to make sure none of your power/video cables are overlapping, as in one is physically laying ontop of the other.

[Anonymous No.1252284]

>>1252275
There's quite a few and I checked for that soon.

It seems to make a slight difference in the buzz, but it doesn't completely remove the buzz

[Anonymous No.1252381]

>>1251856
Excellent.

480i isn't as nice as 240p but I can't say my Cube looks bad.

[Anonymous No.1252402]

>>1213914
http://www.computercablestore.com/RF_Modulator_AV_Composite_PID1207.aspx?gclid=CKuWybbsnLsCFUgS7AodZEsAnA

I have a Trinitron that's so old it's only got RF/Coax and Y-splitters. I don't have the heart to replace it because it looks too damn good.

[Anonymous No.1252478]

>>1252381
Is that an official controller or did you mod it?

[Anonymous No.1252489]

>>1252478
It's official.

[Anonymous No.1252513]

>>1252489
Did it come with a bundle or a special edition GC?

[Anonymous No.1252517]

>>1252513
They were just sold by themselves.

[Anonymous No.1252912]

new at the retro scene but I'm debating whether i should get a trinitron or PVM? What do you guys consider? I need a CRT for my Genesis, SNES, N64, PS1, and Saturn. I have my All my Sixth and Seventh Generation hooked onto my Westinghouse LCD HDTV via VGA for DC and Component for all the rest. Should I buy a used monitor for my DC. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.1252992]

>>1252912
PVMs are Trinitrons.

[Anonymous No.1253019]

>>1252992
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/zip/4230848297.html do you think I should go for this instead it has component or should I save some money up and buy a PVM monitor ?

[Anonymous No.1253082]

>>1253019
Looks almost identical to the 13" Wega that I do a lot of gaming on.

[Anonymous No.1253109]

>>125308
How do you like the look of the TV in your opinion could I see some pics to see the picture quality?

[Anonymous No.1253114]

>>1253082
i meant to reply to you sorry

[Anonymous No.1253712]

>>1252284
Have you tried plugging in different devices, using different cables, plugging everything into the same surge protector, temporarily disconnecting the garage door opener, etc.?

Don't let power cables (or unshielded signal cables) run parallel to any important signal cables. Maximize distance between power and signal cables, and minimize the number of points at which they cross. Also, if you have any ferrite chokes handy, might want to try them in key spots (but not before checking everything else first - always seek to eliminate noise before resorting to suppressing it).

[Anonymous No.1254270]

>>1253114

[Anonymous No.1254276]

>>1253114
..

[Anonymous No.1254901]

>find a 20" PVM at a garage sale
>owner only wants a couple bucks for it
>wake up for it was only a dream
God dammit, brain. Why do you do this to me?

[Anonymous No.1255093]

>>1254901
That's ok, I had a dream that I got fired three days ago. I called up my boss on the way to work just to make sure I still worked there, it was that vivid.

[Anonymous No.1255894]

Does anyone here know how to fix Pincushion Distortions? Is it easy enough to fix by myself, or do I need to take the TV in for repairs?

[Anonymous No.1255942]

>>1254901
>>1255093
I had this dream once too
I think I post on /vr/ too much

[Anonymous No.1256782]

Should 640x480 games have scanlines?

[Anonymous No.1256871]

This may be a very stupid question, but is there still input lag with Gamecubes or Wii's if you're not on a CRT?

[Anonymous No.1256875]

>>1256782
They are part of the TV display, so yes.

[Anonymous No.1256910]

>>1256871
Yes. ADC + interlacing + rescaling causes a lot of input lag in non-CRT TVs.

[Anonymous No.1257274]

How did I ever play 50Hz PAL games?

[Anonymous No.1257316]

>>1256875
No, they are part of some TV displays.

It's personal preference whether you use them or not.

[Anonymous No.1257328]

>>1257274
With a gamepad.

[Anonymous No.1257354]

>>1257274
Mod the snes, It's piss easy

[Anonymous No.1257364]

>>1257354
Yeah I modded a SuFami before. But nah, I can't be bothered with this. My GC SCART cable would need modification so I may as well just buy myself a SuFami.

[Anonymous No.1257587]

>>1256782

Cave Story is 320x240

[Anonymous No.1257593]

>>1257316

All CRT displays have scanlines, even CRT monitors that can display 1200p

[Anonymous No.1257605]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAeJjjUrP3U

>needing a CRT when plasmas exist

[Anonymous No.1257676]

>>1257587

Well the original one is anyway

[Anonymous No.1257747]

>>1257605

Can Plasma's display non-60hz games at their native refresh rates?

E.g. R-Type at 55hz

CRTs can do this easily with custom resolutions.

[Anonymous No.1257848]

Marvel vs. Capcom played on a Dreamcast via S-Video on a Sanyo.

[Anonymous No.1257850]

>>1257848

[Anonymous No.1257863]

>>1213849
>that few if any HDTVs will display a 240p signal from component

I fucking hate this

[Anonymous No.1257981]

My god...

Some of the CRTs in this thread are absolutely gorgeous, especially the ones this fellow anon has been posting
>>1257274 .

They have the clear, crisp, bold, rich look and amount of colors that are so pleasing to the eye.

Friends, I want a CRT. I'm using a 22" LED Flatscreen for my /vr/. However it is not the same! May you tell me what to look for in a CRT monitor/TV in order to get similar picture quality like many of the photos that are so liked ITT? I see a few CRTs on Craigslist being given away for free, however, I am not sure if they're good alongside my /vr/ gaming.

Many thanks in advance, and great thread!

[Anonymous No.1258057]

>>1249404
N64 version of Rayman 2 is inferior to the PS1 version of Rayman 2.

[Anonymous No.1258256]

I want to play my PS2 on my PC monitor CRT. What are some good component to VGA converters, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.1258263]

>>1257981
Literally ANY CRT will be a marked improvement.
Some people gush over the PVM's but they can get a bit pricey and don't really come in good "Gameplay" sizes.

I have an ILO SDTV from Walmart. It's a flat tube and 32 inches and has Component inputs. It's fucking beautiful for my /vr/

I also have an arcade machine. If you're going to have a 19" screen, you need it in a setup like that where the controller is close.

[Anonymous No.1258271]

>>1253712
Well, I'll try when I have time

I have another TV I'm using but I don't like the look of it

[Anonymous No.1258290]

I'm probably going to go CRT hunting at a local used goods place sometime in the next few weeks (the place is a goodwill style thing, but a bit more classy). They have a lot of CRTs there and have movies playing on them to show that they're working. What should I look for, both in terms of brands in particular and in terms of general assessments of how they look in action?

[Anonymous No.1258321]

>>1258263
Cool. Yeah, I'm not looking to spend any money on a CRT. So I should be good to go by just picking up any Free CRT out there or on the street right?

I guess I'd say I'm on the same boat as this anon. >>1258290
Simple component will be good to go (for my NES, SNES, N64, GC, Genesis)? I don't need any alternative connection (like S-Video) do I? I did read up above ITT that some of you were using that. Because I don't have any SVideo cables and neither do I have any SVid cables for my consoles.

[Anonymous No.1258636]

>>1258263
>ILO
I didn't know ILO distributed CRTs too. They're the brand on my plasma. It's old and cranky (only component & VGA inputs work) but it is still bright and beautiful. Way less lag than my LCD. In fact...

>>1256871
Upstairs, I use a distribution amp to push my Wii to an LCD HDTV and a 13 inch Wega at the same time. You can't have their volumes turned up at once the echo is extremely obvious. When I need to do tough jumps I look at the CRT. It's really interesting to go back and forth because it really REALLY drives home how playing with lag makes games feel different.

[Anonymous No.1258642]

>>1258321
It's nice for the option to be there but if you're going the free route, just grab any old one now and switch up anytime you see a better one.

[Anonymous No.1258658]

>>1258642
Sounds good man, thanks.

Ha. To think I threw away/recycled/gave away all the old 3 CRTs I had... now look at me, haha.

Is there any /vr/ brand preferences? Zenith? Toshiba, Mitsubishi, Sony, Sanyo, etc, etc...

And once more, I'm fine with the TV as long as it has RF/coax (for Genesis), and RWY, correct?

[Anonymous No.1258662]

>>1258658
Sony Trinitrons

Also don't play a Genesis on RF

RCA is really required.

Look for one with an S-video in too. That would be a bonus if you plan on modding any consoles to support it

[Anonymous No.1258671]

>>1258662
I honestly think if you aren't already rocking SVideo cables where you can that you might as well aim for SCART-to-YUV and get a CRT with component inputs over SVideo - although for largish TVs you can usually find them with both.

[Anonymous No.1258679]

>>1258662
>Trinitrons

Are these like the absolute best ones? I saw many of them ITT.

Your thoughts on this one?
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/ele/4235204539.html

I'm also going to contact this lady here
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/ele/4212346674.html

and ask her what she wants for just the TV. It's a whopping 27", but the TV doesn't look THAT large in the photos. Is there a "maximum" size one should get for a CRT? What size is, say, the "sweet spot"? Thanks again guys, really appreciate it.

And nah, not looking to mod any of my consoles, really.

>>1258671
>SCART-to-YUV

Uh, that's like $50. Whew. I'm sure the picture is fantastic, but I am reeeeallly trying not to spend much here for the CRT setup. I guess I'll grab myself a free TV for now and, if I absolutely must, I'll get that cable I suppose.

[Anonymous No.1258676]

>>1258671
>SCART-to-YUV
True, but I'm talking about doing it on the cheap

[Anonymous No.1258678]

>>1258658

When it come to CRTs, Sony is your best friend.

[Anonymous No.1258684]

>>1258679
Those would work

The first would have more hook ups being newer one would think.

Check both out. Ask for a clear picture of the back ports

[Anonymous No.1258687]

>>1258684
>>1258679
Also ask for model number

[Anonymous No.1258690]

>>1258679

The second one look pretty good. Try to ask a photo of the rear, to see what kind of inputs it has.

[Anonymous No.1258697]

>>1257274

Man, When and Where did these have been produced & distributed? The more I see them in this thread, the more need to get one, but I can't find this model anywhere. All I know is that it's model number is KX-14CP1.

[Anonymous No.1258704]

>>1258684
>>1258687
>>1258690

Awesome, guys. Thanks.
Back to craigslist I go!

[Anonymous No.1258756]

>>1258658
>Is there any /vr/ brand preferences?
Yeah, /vr/ only knows Sony, so /vr/ only recommends Sony. Not a bad way to go actually, considering they really were almost always the best and most reliable way to go. Since cost is no longer much of a factor any more, everyone who wants a Sony can now have one easily.

[Anonymous No.1258762]

>muh slotmask

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1258763]

>>1258756
>/vr/ only knows Sony, so /vr/ only recommends Sony
I've seen some really nice shadowmasks posted from time to time.

[Anonymous No.1258792]

>>1258679
>>SCART-to-YUV
>Uh, that's like $50. Whew. I'm sure the picture is fantastic, but I am reeeeallly trying not to spend much here for the CRT setup
I understand but you'll find that those retro SVideo cables start to add up to a significant amount of money too sooner or later and not all of them support it and it's still not THE best.

But really, SVideo is a huge step up from composite.

RGB/YPbPr>SVideo>>Composite>>>RF

Remember, right now we're just talking about what kind of TV to think about selecting for your free TV based on what you might want to do with it down the road.

If you try to get a TV with component and Svideo inputs, as a nice side benefit you'll be getting a newer TV for sure.

[Anonymous No.1258796]

>>1258697
It's European, Bro. All these guys rocking it are Europeans or possibly Asians.

[Anonymous No.1258803]

>>1258679
Trinitrons really are in a class of their own in the TV world, and they're absolutely fantastic sets for retro gaming. As always, test it before you buy and check the ports on the back, that second Trin is probably from the early '90s, so composite and coax are a given, but I'd hold off on buying unless it has S-video as well. $40 isn't a bad deal for the TV, stand, and movie players, but unless you really want the extra stuff, I'd offer $20 just for the TV.

And you're not going to be hurting for screen size either, I picked up a very similar 27-inch Trinitron from Goodwill about a month ago and I love it to death. It's a KV-27FS from '94 with three composite inputs, and 1 S-video input. I've also got a 32'' Toshiba HD-CRT with component inputs, but I GREATLY prefer using the Sony with games run through the S-video jack.

[Anonymous No.1258807]

>>1258792
Great info, thanks dude.

How would I get RGB (Component) on the SNES/N64/GameCube, though?

And damn, the chances of me finding a CRT WITH Component cables... huh. I think that probability might be low. But of course, I am keeping my head high.

[Anonymous No.1258817]

>>1258803
I wish I could find a Trinitron with S video

I was a dumb ass and I bough a Trinitron to replace one that wasn't working, but it has a buzz and the picture is too dark

[Anonymous No.1258814]

>>1258796

Well I'm a French fag, with SCART TVs and RBG everywhere. Maybe I need to search more.

>>1258807

the SNES and Gamecube can output it natively, but with the N64, you need to mod it if you have the VERY first model that came out.

[Anonymous No.1258818]

>>1258807
>How would I get RGB (Component) on the SNES/N64/GameCube, though?
SNES(Original model) supports RGB out of the box. All you need is a proper SCART cable for it(with a few resistors added if you're in the US)and a TV capable of accept the signal/transcoder for turning it into component

Early N64s can be modded for RGB

PAL Gamecubes output RGB natively, NTSC don't.
Component cables for the thing are expensive as all hell($100 is being optimistic)

[Anonymous No.1258824]

>>1258818
Got a guide how to do that?

[Anonymous No.1258828]

>>1258818
>>1258814
>need to mod N64
>you need is a proper SCART cable for it
>(with a few resistors added if you're in the US)
>and a TV capable of accept the signal/transcoder for turning it into component

Jeez boys, that already sounds way too much for me. Sorry. Guess I'l stick with composite. Thank you very much though. Once I settle down and have time, I will probably modify these things so that I may get an excellent picture.


Now guys, can you help me to explain how S-Video works? I've never in my life used that cord or method of signal before. Same ordeal, how would I use the S-Video cable with SNES, N64, Sega Genesis, and Gamecube?

inb4 I need to mod it

[Anonymous No.1258830]

>>1258817
Linking to my post before about it >>1252252

Its a Sony Trinitron KV-13TR24

I need to open it up and look at it here soon.

>>1258828
The only console that I've seen worth modding with S-video is a Sega Genesis

[Anonymous No.1258835]

>>1258828
>Same ordeal, how would I use the S-Video cable with SNES, N64, Sega Genesis, and Gamecube?
>SNES, N64, Gamecube
Natively; Buy a cable and go
>Genesis
Modded

[Anonymous No.1258838]

>>1258835

Nop, the Genesis don't need a mode to output RGB, see pic.

[Anonymous No.1258840]

>>1258838
>how would I use the S-Video cable with... ... Sega Genesis

[Anonymous No.1258843]

>>1258840

I deleted the post, sorry, I though you were talking about RGB and not S-Video.

[Anonymous No.1258849]

>>1258830
>>1258835

Thanks as always and again guys.

So, I've got it now! Going to look for a Sony Trinitron, hopefully with an S-Video cord.

Now for the S-Video, I'm more than sure that doesn't carry audio. So, I'll need a plug that has S-Video and Red and White? Am I right? Thanks.

Thoughts on this one?

http://www.amazon.com/Video-Cable-SNES-N64-Gamecube/dp/B000F0QPI6

[Anonymous No.1258853]

>>1258849
You're going to want to find some properly wired Nintendo S-video cables

I've heard a lot of them are not wired right

I don't know of any though, sorry.

[Anonymous No.1258856]

>>1258807
A lot of higher-end CRTs from the early to mid 2000s had component inputs, they're not impossible to find.

If you're not capable of modding consoles, but want decent video quality, try to aim for S-video. You'll have an easier time finding a CRT with S-video inputs, and Innovation sells a properly made SNES/N64/GCN S-video cable that's less than $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Gamecube-S-Video-Cable-Bulk-Packaging/dp/B000P6R46W

And Newegg currently has a deal for Sony brand S-video cables for $11 shipped:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301006330975?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
It has PS3 packaging, but it's also compatible with the Playstation and PS2.

[Anonymous No.1258857]

>>1258849
Yes, you would still need to use the red and white RCA cables for audio.

You do have to be careful with S-Video cables however, as cheaper ones often just have composite hooked up to both of its pins, resulting in a crosshatch pattern in the picture.

[Anonymous No.1258862]

>>1258849
Stay away from all-in-one cables, generally if they have both S-video and composite video (yellow RCA) then the S-video is probably just composite wired to two pins, which is garbage.

The Innovation cable works fine, go for it.

[Anonymous No.1258865]

>>1258853
>>1258857
>You're going to want to find some properly wired Nintendo S-video cables

>I've heard a lot of them are not wired right

>Cheaper ones often just have composite hooked up to both of its pins, resulting in a crosshatch pattern in the picture.

Gah, I hope not. I'm going to buy that Innovations one instead of the one I linked. Has more reviews. Let's hope I get a good cable.

>>1258856
>>1258862

Gonna buy that Innovation one, and damn it is that S-Video cable for the PS2 really a want right now in case I decide to plug in the PS2 and play some 007: Nightfire.

Boy, I have learned a lot here tonight. Thank you so much, seriously.

[Anonymous No.1258898]

>>1258865
De nada Anon. I own both of the cables I recommended, and the Innovation one is properly wired, there's no cross-hatching at all.

I've been playing a lot of Star Ocean on the PS2 lately, with that Sony brand S-video hooking it up to my Trinitron. Looks gorgeous! I've had some Sony brand component cables and I've played Playstation and PS2 games hooked up that way on my Toshiba HD-CRT, but they almost also look like crap, the bigger screen size really makes the aliasing pop out, and most games end up looking really pixelated. I really had to hold back from playing stuff until I got my Trini and proper cables, but I've been having a blast since!

Happy gaming!

[Anonymous No.1258914]

>>1258856
I'm a component guy but those are some sick deals on SVideo.

I wish my 13" Wega had Svideo in addition to its component inputs, it would give me more options.

[Anonymous No.1258924]

>>1258898
Very glad to hear that amigo.

What size TV is your Trini? Your Toshiba?

>the bigger screen size really makes the aliasing pop out, and most games end up looking really pixelated

Yeah I'm like to avoid this. But so far what I am seeing on Craigslist for Sony Trini's or WEGA's are 30inches +. Might be too large for me I reckon, especially since it is a heavy TV too.

Haha, all ads on Craigslist actually say "be careful it's really heavy!"

[Anonymous No.1258927]

>>1258924
Not him, but the weight is no joke. My 32in Trinitron is ~170lbs. It's fucking ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.1258942]

>>1258927

Holy shit, I thought some dude made a typo in his Craigslist ad when he said his 24in weighed 94lbs.

Jeez, I'll need myself and perhaps 1 or 2 other friends to come along.

[Anonymous No.1258947]

>>1258942
It's going to take three of you to move a 94 pound television?

This helps me visualize you.

[Anonymous No.1258949]

>>1258856
Hey, is that S-Video cable just a current "flash" sale or something?

Because I'd love to buy it with my eBay Bucks, but that doesn't come in for another month :|

[Anonymous No.1258950]

>>1258942
Trinitrons in particular are heavier than most other CRTs. I can carry my father's 35in (Toshiba I think, probably about 115 lbs) on my own, but I cringe at the idea of having to move my 32in monster again.

[Anonymous No.1258954]

>>1258947
No I meant for the 176pounder.

But curiously, what did you visualize me as?

No no, I joke. Anyways, this thread is almost at post limit. We 522 now. Someone should take charge and make another eternal.

[Anonymous No.1258967]

>>1258954
Alright I'll do it.

[Anonymous No.1258971]

>>1258950
Yeah I bought my buddy a JVC "i'Art" CRT that had all kinds of inputs and was light as hell even though it was like a 24"

But guess what it didn't work.

[Anonymous No.1258986]

>>1258964
>>1258964
>>1258964

NEW HORSE

[Anonymous No.1260023]

>>1257593
Everyone seems to think that aperture grille scanlines were the norm and were on every CRT in existence.

[Anonymous No.1261621]

>>1257848
Out of curiosity did you buy the s-video cable online? If so, which one did you get?

[Anonymous No.1261658]

>>1261621
If you're concerned about cables, one of the most reliable ways to pull S-video out of a Dreamcast is to use the breakouts on a VGA box. I've never seen a VGA box that was improperly wired on the S-video jack.

[Anonymous No.1261910]

>>1258828

In the case of a Gamecube, it would actually be cheaper to just buy a used Wii and Wii component cables. You can also easily mod them and emulate most early consoles for a solid all-in-one /vr/ solution.