/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1149618]

So, with all abilities available, who would win in a fight?

Doomguy, Master Cheif, Mega Man or Samus Aran?

(Yeah, let's ignore that Death Battle.)

[Anonymous No.1149621]

I usually go with Samus in these arguments but when you say "all abilities available" that makes Mega Man pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut.

[Anonymous No.1149623]

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.1149629]

megaman is a super advanced robot, specifically design to take a lot of damage

unless the plasma beam or plasma gun have some special properties that kick robot ass, he has a clear advantage

master chief is a slow version of doomguy so he is not a contender

A fully powered samus is a fucking nightmare, as witnessed in metroid fusion, I dont think doomguy can really fight that shit, unless the terrain heavily favors him. They both benefit from cover, but doomguy benefits more from lack of cover due to his quantum acceleration. Samus has stronger weapons so I give the edge to her.

megaman vs samus? thats tough to call because samus might have the stamina advantage due to maxed out energy tanks. add that to her human intuition, and my guess would be that she wins, but I could easily see it going the other way

[Anonymous No.1149632]

>>1149629
Remember Mega Man has energy tanks too.

[Anonymous No.1149669]

>>1149618

>let's ignore that Death Battle

Better idea, let's point and laugh

[Anonymous No.1149680]

>>1149621
>Freezing time
>Shooting black holes
>Acid rain
>Meteor showers

[Anonymous No.1149685]

>>1149680

And that's not even counting the Super Adapters and all the weird powerups that only appear once or twice in the series.

[Anonymous No.1150331]

So I'm going back and playing all the classic FPS's. Just finished id's stuff and duke 3D, wanting to do shadow warrior. tell me, is there anything like eDuke for Shadow Warrior?

[Anonymous No.1150346]

Doomguy without any power ups, runs faster than all of them combined, can lug around 2000+ pounds of weaponry and can't die because he destroyed hell and had to be kicked out.

With power ups, basically, he is invulnerable, invisible, can punch muscle bound creatures into pieces and can see in the dark. So yeah...

[Anonymous No.1150356]

>>1149618
>with all abilities available
If this includes the temporary invincibility powerup from doom 2... well none of the other characters listed have invincibility powerups.

[Anonymous No.1150357]

Doomguy


His maximum run speed is 819.52 map units / second.

Approximately 32 map units is equal to one meter (based on the guy's height in terms of map units)

Therefore he runs at 25.61 meters per second, this is equal to about 57.2879 MPH.

The current world record for the 100 meter dash is held by Usain Bolt: 9.69 seconds. The Doomguy can run this in 3.905 seconds, 148% FASTER than Usain Bolt.

The DOOMGUY is capable of outrunning a Lion, and maintaining that speed indefinitely.

Bear in mind that the DOOMGUY can do this with, in all probability, 200 pounds of equipment.

The Doomguy is the strongest video game character ever.

DOOM uses two bytes to measure sector height, allowing for a maximum value of 65536 units, or a height value between -32768 and 32768. Assuming that Doomguy jumps from one sector at maximum height minus his own player height (56 units) to an adjacent sector at minimum height, he would fall 65480 units. Now, Doomguy takes no falling damage, at least not from any distance the DOOM engine can generate, so this means that he can take a fall of at least two kilometers and not sustain any damage whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.1150367]

>>1150357
I would say he carries over a thousand pounds of equipment easily when fully loaded. That BFG probably weighs 50 pounds alone. Does anyone have the link to the blog where somebody actually figured it out?

[Anonymous No.1150370]

I'd say Caleb is pretty much equal with Doomguy. Fast running, shit tons of weapons, endless stamina, can't be truly killed because he's already undead. He also gains power by every kill and after the original Blood he's pretty much a demigod for killing Tchernobog.

[Anonymous No.1150372]

>>1150357
However dont forget Doomguys weakness. He cant jump. If he fell in a ditch he'd be stuck there forever.

[Anonymous No.1150380]

>>1150372

IDCLIP for days

[Anonymous No.1150386]

>>1150372
/vr/ sourceports gave him that ability so his jump is still retro too. I think jumping was in legacy in the 90s

[Anonymous No.1150580]

DOOMGUY. Not even a question.

One punch would utterly shatter the armor of the other three.

His speed is beyond human limit.

His strength moves several tons of equipment

He went to hell and back FIVE TIMES and had to be KICKED OUT because he was fucking their shit up so hard

He shrugs off most attacks and continues charging at you, screaming about ripping and tearing

And this is without the Berserk.

[Anonymous No.1150585]

>>1150357
too bad he can't aim up to shoot the other three when they jump at him

[Anonymous No.1150587]

Doomguy is only winning because all the doom thread guys are on CONSTANTLY

[Anonymous No.1150593]

Doomguy's speed ain't gonna count for shit when Megaman freezes time

[Anonymous No.1150595]

>>1150585

He has autoaim by default, if a single pixel of anyone is shown, they will take damage if doomguy has them on their LoS

[Anonymous No.1150624]

So Doomguy has all sorts of stat hax as well as invincibility.
Megaman can fly, stop time, rain asteroids and shit.
Samus can fly and attack THROUGH solid walls as well as run fast as fuck, freeze enemies indefinitely and other random things.

What can Master Chief do?

[Anonymous No.1150638]

>>1150624
make fanboys wet

[Anonymous No.1150643]

>>1150624
Teabag.

[Anonymous No.1150658]

>>1150357

why paste stuff about how fast he can run and how much he can lift

Samus can run super-fast forever too, and in some incarnations she can FLY forever (while destroying anything she touches); Mega Man can slide fast, forever, if he's in a long enough tunnel

and anyway, it doesn't matter how fast he can run if he's being shot in the face with seventy different exotic weapons (some of which cannot be dodged at any speed)

[Anonymous No.1150663]

>>1150624

He can shoot a gun and then run around some

[Anonymous No.1150669]

>>1150624
stroke the happy spots of cretins since 2001 and evolve since then to do that and only that at a worryingly efficient pace.

[Anonymous No.1150670]

>>1150595

Until he runs out of ammo.

So basically Samus space jumps a long way over his head until he's wasted all his bullets, and then she pecks at him from a distance until he is dead. If he ever gets close, she space jumps some more. KO

[Anonymous No.1150778]

Master chief has shields?

[Anonymous No.1150780]

The guys arguing for doomguy are like those kids that say the didn't get shot, when I clearly, totally got them, just fucking fake dead and we'll play again you interminable little shit

[Anonymous No.1150795]

>>1149618
>Doomguy
Runs fast, carries high damage weapons like plasma gun and bfg, and rockets and chaingun. Also that invincibility thing.
>The Chief
Is fast and strong (though the games show neither of these) and is skilled in all weapons and fields.
>Samus
Undoubtedly has the best offense and defense. She has like 10 energy tanks for her health, and her armor is pretty tough. She can shoot her energy beam weapons for forever, and they get pretty tough too (plasma beam, etc.)
If that's not enough, she can use missiles or super missiles (which home in the Prime series), or the Power Bomb.
She's not that fast unless she uses the Speed Booster, which takes a while to work up. In close combat she would be out-maneuvered by novels-chief, or chief with energy sword.
Since none of her weapons are as fast as bullets, Doomguy can probably dodge them all.
May be able to boost in morphball mode
>Megaman
No fucking clue

[Anonymous No.1150803]

>>1149669
>death battle
You mean that show by screwattack. It's so bad.

[Anonymous No.1150808]

>>1150803
Well at least it's not Deadliest Warrior.

[Anonymous No.1150812]

goku

[Anonymous No.1150813]

>>1150780
yeah come back when your warrior can punch out a cyberdemon

[Anonymous No.1150814]

>>1150803
It's either alright, or fucking awful, depending on the match.

>Neat tier
Batman vs Spiderman.
The whole point of deathbattle is that it's a Death Battle. As in colosseum. So no room for "prep time" or being a smart ass, besides direct battle tactics. I felt it was justified.
Heman vs Thundercat man. I didn't disagree.

>Kill yourself tier
Doomguy vs the chief. fuck.
Goku Vs Superman. I feel like they didn't gauge Goku's strength appropriately.

[Anonymous No.1150815]

>>1150780
Did you mean to say the guys arguing for Chief?
Because their representation of Doomguy was retarded.

Doomguy's MAIN STRENGTH is his ludicrous speed, and he didn't move faster than a walk in that video.

[Anonymous No.1150828]

>>1150815

doomguy's speed is a gameplay element introduced to make the game more enjoyable to play rather than actually being about any sort of concrete power than he has. if you're allowing that in you might as well allow in the fact that he can make quicksaves

[Anonymous No.1150835]

>>1150828
Master Chief's ability to fire a weapon is a gameplay element introduced to make the game more enjoyable to play rather than actually being about any sort of concrete power than he has. If you're allowing that in you might as well allow in the fact that you can unplug the other player's controller.

[Anonymous No.1150837]

>>1150828
They even acknowledged that he was fast in the video! And then they just ignored it!

[Anonymous No.1150861]

Oh look at this, ANOTHER Doom thread. Don't you faggots have a general?

You're as bad as the bronies.

[Anonymous No.1150860]

This is why doom guy wins, you could stick him up against masterchief, samus AND megaman he would still win. Sorry but this isn't really a contest until those other guys can get their hands on some demonic artifacts.

[Anonymous No.1150863]

Gonna have to go with Mega Man. Flash Stopper and Time Stopper alone give him an insane advantage. Plus the E-Tanks, armor, ect.

[Anonymous No.1150864]

>>1150828
The funny thing about that is, Halo's quicksaves are actually explained in-universe as some kind of alien technology. Master Chief can actually canonically quicksave.

[Anonymous No.1150871]

>>1150861
How does it feel being alone?
Also, the thread has doomguy, doesn't mean it's a doom thread.

>>1150860
>not animated

>>1150864
since when

[Anonymous No.1150875]

>>1150861
calm down faget. /vr/ has its flavours of the week zelda/megaman/metroid and nobody tells them to take it to the "nintendo general". Generals are fucking stupid for discussing a point that could very well have its own thread.

[Anonymous No.1150902]

>death battle
mandatory

[Anonymous No.1150912]

>>1150861
>>1150861


>Comparing MASTERRU RACU to sub-creature scum

Strangle yourself.

Now.

[Anonymous No.1150926]

>>1150912
The fandoms are basically identical.

Shitty grimdark fanworks:
>Brutal Doom
>Fluffy pony
Retarded vs. threads:
>omg who would win Doomguy vs. Master Chef?
>Who's faster, Sonic or Rainbowdash?
Invading other threads:
>Oh look, a Heretic thread! Mind if I talk about Doom, guys?
>Love and tolerate! :D My Little Pony is practically a Cartoon Cartoon, so we're welcome in Adventure Time threads, right?
Memes:
>RIP AND TEAR! Aggravated skeleton XD
>Twenty percent cooler! SO AWESOME!

Yes, Doom is on par with MLP for generally being obnoxious shitheads to anyone outside the fandom. There were a few Doom Generals on /vg/ right before /vr/ was added, and Doom fans on /vg/ shitted up Quake threads at every opportunity. Seriously mods, wake up, Doom fans are fucking cancer. I can't even talk about a NES game without some clumsy Doom asperger charging in saying "THIS LEVEL WOULD MAKE A GREAT DOOM MAP :O"

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1150937]

>>1150926
It looks like you basically just described every fanbase in the history of the internet.

Yes, the Doom fanbase is awfully similar to the MLP fanbase. So is the Homestuck fanbase, Adventure Time fanbase, Doctor Who, Warhammer 40000, and basically every other piece of media with a nerdy slant to it. The only reason MLP got special treatment is because it tickled the admins' misogynistic funnybone.

[Anonymous No.1150942]

>>1150926
>Invading other threads:
Nope.

>and Doom fans on /vg/ shitted up Quake threads at every opportunity.
Nope.

>I can't even talk about a NES game without some clumsy Doom asperger charging in saying "THIS LEVEL WOULD MAKE A GREAT DOOM MAP :O"
Nope.

If you keep making things up, though, maybe you'll start believing some of it.

[Anonymous No.1150953]

>>1150942
>if I say it doesn't happen it means it doesn't happen

[Anonymous No.1150956]

>>1150953
>if I say it happens it will magically be inserted into history and spontaneously start existing

[Anonymous No.1150963]

>>1150956
You do realize there are websites that archive every /vr/ thread ever, right? And you can look up and find examples of Doom fan threadshitting?

[Anonymous No.1150968]

>>1150942
>>1150956

considering his definition of "doom thread" is "mentions doomguy in the context of other video games"
do you really think he's gonna give a shit

[Anonymous No.1150984]

>>1150963
Okay.

>first page is you being a faggot and someone shitting up doom general
>second page is just doom discussion, someone is talking about heretic/hexen, doom is only off-handedly mentioned
>third page is doom discussion, doom is brought up in /vr/ game of the week, someone crying about how certain game threads need to go
>fourth page has posts in another thread discussing FPSes, another thread has ONE WHOLE POST saying "I wonder if it would be possible to remake this in ZDoom.", person throws an embarrassing shitfit over it
>fifth page has more doom general, FPSes are discussed in another thread and Doom is brought up for comparison

Looks like the only one fanshitting things up is you.

[Anonymous No.1151001]

>>1149618
When Doomguy dies, he goes to hell just to fight his way back out.
Not really a fair fight, but he wins.

[Anonymous No.1151003]

>>1149629
>master chief is a slow version of doomguy so he is not a contender

With regenerating shields, more overall armor, and more strength.

[Anonymous No.1151006]

>>1151001
Except when he dies he loses

[Anonymous No.1151010]

>>1151006
He has no "lives", he just respawns. There's no "game over" or "you lose" screen, so that really doesn't refute it.

[Anonymous No.1151019]

>>1151003
more strength? According to what, that wimp can only carry 2 guns. Take a look at >>1150902 image. Masterchief cant match doomguys strength genetically modified or not.

[Anonymous No.1151023]

>>1151003
Oddly enough Doomguy's armor can take far more punishment from damage than Master Chief's. Doomguy can take a rocket and keep walking with armor to spare (and with boosted health he can take a rocket without armor). And this is just with green armor, blue armor is not only twice as durable, but absorbs more damage. The Beserker pack makes Doomguy strong enough to gib imps and zombies in a single punch, and it's effects are indefinite, until map change.

[Anonymous No.1151027]

>>1151006

Actually at the end of Episode 1 in Doom, Doomguy dies.
Going to Hell and fighting his way back out is pretty much the rest of Doom.

[Anonymous No.1151159]

>>1149618
>>1150580
gaiz. aren't you forgetting someone? someone like DW Bradleys' CYBERMAAAAGE!!!! he know MAGIC, man!

[Anonymous No.1151168]

>>1151027
You are now aware he doesn't actually die. The game automatically ends when he has <10% health.

It's called a cliffhanger, lots of shareware games used them to hook you on buying the full game.

A lot of shareware trilogies followed this same basic format:

Episode 1: Establishes the setting, and ends with the main character in some kind of mortal danger.
Episode 2: Continues the story of the first episode, with the character defeating/escaping the mortal danger.
Episode 3: Main character finally goes to fight the enemy and defeats them on their own turf.

Of course these subtleties are lost on modern gamers who pirate everything.

[Anonymous No.1151176]

>>1151168
I wish more games still had shareware/demos.

Two weeks ago I bought Halo CE for pc after playing the demo.

[Anonymous No.1151731]

>>1150670
that is assuming that doomguy isnt retarded enough to keep with that same strategy

[Anonymous No.1151756]

>>1151168
>Episode 1: Establishes the setting, and ends with the main character in some kind of mortal danger.

[Anonymous No.1151873]

>>1150808
You could make an entire TV shows about how much shit that show gets wrong.

[Anonymous No.1151879]

Well Doomguy wrecked shit up in hell so bad they actually had to kick him out just so they can get back on track. You gotta be pretty strong if even hell can't take you on.

[Anonymous No.1151892]

I'm pretty sure doom guy or megaman would wreck the rests shit. Especially doom guy, fucking wrecking shit like it's his motherfucking job.

[Anonymous No.1151902]

>>1151756
Funny you posted that. When I was writing that generic trilogy synopsis, Cosmo was one of the first things I had in mind. I was also thinking about Commander Keen (the first episode barely qualifies, but episodes 2 and 3 are spot on with that description).

That pit at the end of Cosmo 1 was terrifying. Starting your descent there's this sense of dread. The pit gets gradually narrower, and you just KNOW whatever's at the bottom isn't going to be pleasant.

[Anonymous No.1151920]

You have to ask? Really? It's so obvious.

Megaman.

[Anonymous No.1151932]

>>1151873

Name one thing that was ever incorrect on Deadliest Warrior

[Anonymous No.1151941]

>>1151932
>the bullshit spread shit that awkward nerdy kid filled out
>some episodes had a x-factor which just added even more bullshit into the mix

[Anonymous No.1151951]

>>1149629
>They both benefit from cover

Wave Beam says hi.

As long as Samus knows what general direction you're in, she can hit you.

[Anonymous No.1151953]

>>1151941

There's no historical inaccuracies whatsoever, your amateur opinion on the program used to simulate the battles doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.1151965]

>>1151932
Completely ignoring that the Vietnamese used traps to fuck over invaders is a pretty good one.

[Cunt Muffin No.1151968]

SuP

Yep, sUp

[Anonymous No.1151971]

>>1151932

They gave Alexander a gastraphetes instead of a javelin, which would have been more historically accurate being that a) peltasts were enormously common in Macedonian, Greek, and Persian armies and b) the gastraphetes wasn't a personnel weapon, it was designed for siege. Giving him the gastraphetes was especially retarded because they also gave him a ballista, despite the fact that these two weapons are essentially the same in function, the latter is merely an improvement upon the former, as explained by Heron and probably Diodorus Siculus.

I mean, anyone with a passing knowledge of history could watch the show and pick out an enormous number of errors not only in the information regarding their equipment, but in the general history they present regarding the cultures. Many of their "historians" are, in fact, nothing of the sort, which is why you're not going to find any scholarly works by them published in historical journals. Because they're armchair historians who don't know jack shit most of the time.

The show wasn't even remotely historical, it was just an excuse to carve up some pig carcasses.

>>1151953

>no historical inaccuracies whatsoever

Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.1152215]

>>1149618
So we are talking about all the maximized possibilities each franchise gave to their respective main character? Because then we are talking about legitimate implemented cheat codes into account and for a couple of reasons I think this is kind of important to know about these codes.

I would say Doomguy would win, while Megaman is a fucking unstopable force when he has any power ups, Doomguy could just iddqd himself out of any bullshit beside the fact that he owns all powerups. And yes, iddqd is implemented within the game and therefore it might as well count as an "canon" ability for the player to use. I go as far as saying that not having a "iddqd feature" would chance doom even for a little bit. This very specific kind of name for a godmode cheat is widely known for a reason.

Though I would like to give a "canon" 50% chance to kill himself in the process to even things out a little bit.

[Anonymous No.1152413]

>>1152215
So if we broaden the match to include James Bond, would he also have invincibility, invisibility, super-speed, time-slowing powers and 50 or so different guns (including throwing tank rounds) with infinite ammo?

[Anonymous No.1152425]

ALL weapons? That easily goes to Mega Man then.