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HELP!!!! I just bought this particular RCA to HDMI converter, I think it's a 1080p scaler as well. Waiting for it to be delivered. I will be using it primarily for n64...

I had to buy it because my tv is too new for the yellow video input and made everything black and white and blurry.

You think this converter will work well? Is there a lag or delay in game play that will be very noticeable??? Will it make the graphics better?

>> No.1141687

>>1141670
>Hey, guys, like, will this, picture, of a converter, work?
>I already bought it, too!
Even if you did give us the proper information to critique this little black box, nothing we say will even matter. Priorities, people.

>> No.1141697

Why the fuck would you want to play anything on the 64 in HD?? That's literally retarded. You could have bought a decent CRT and played them the right way for less money an effort.

I lose faith in this board with each passing day. They should rename it /vc/ for Vidya casual.

>> No.1141701

>>1141687
ok thanks for your philosophical input

>ughhhh! I can't comment on this because in the end we are all just human beings living in a carbon based world that will one day be destroyed! What's the point of life??!

It's just a video game thread, either answer the question or not

>> No.1141702

Imagine converting a 64kbps MP3 to FLAC or WAV. It's going to sound the same as it did before, but the file extension will be different. That's exactly what these converters are. Video will always look as good as its weakest link. You can't convert 480i RCA (Assuming you're using composite video) and expect it to look like anything better than 480i composite.

>> No.1141714

>>1141702
will game play be compromised? I just want it to work the way it would on an old tv...

>> No.1141718

>>1141714
If you're playing any 240p/480i game on an HDTV, it's going to be compromised regardless. Either use an old TV or emulate it at your HDTV's native resolution.

>> No.1141724

>>1141718
>emulating n64

Nigger do you even...

>> No.1141731

>>1141724
It's not ideal, but it's certainly a better solution than plugging an N64 into an 720p or 1080p HDTV.

>> No.1141742

>>1141731
Both are equally as idiotic

A CRT is the only solution sans wii classic collections and virtual console games.

>> No.1141749

Anyone here do an RGB mod to their N64?
Been wondering what difference (if any at all) it would to the picture quality

>> No.1141763

>>1141742
Oh, please, you're acting like N64 emulation is completely unplayable. Assuming the OP has no CRT, emulation is the way to go. I'd take a few graphical bugs at the monitor or television's native resolution over the entire game looking like an upscaled, blurry, input-lag ridden mess.

>> No.1141821

>>1141763
N64 emulation is and will always be garbage until the hardware patents run out. If you weren't casual as a farmville player you'd know that.

>> No.1141840

>>1141821
You can leave the stupid namecalling at /v/. It's still the better solution over hooking up an N64 to an HDTV and upscaling it to hell.

>> No.1141843

>>1141840
You act as if finding a CRT is impossible to do.

>> No.1141859

>>1141843
Finding a good one (S-video and component inputs with no convergence or geomotry issues) certainly can be difficult, but given the situation that OP wants to hook his N64 up to an HDTV with a scaler, the better solution is emulation. He's looking for something quick and easy. Emulation is quick and easy and rendering it at the proper resolution with VGA or DVI will make it not look horrific and will have less input lag than either hooking it straight up with RCA or using a converter. That's all I'm saying.

>> No.1141868

>>1141697
/vh/ for vidya hipster

>> No.1141871

>>1141859
>n65 emulation
>quick
>easy
>good

Oh Look guys, a troll.

>> No.1141869

>>1141859
>Emulation is quick and easy
Not really
Buying a CRT would be one trip to a thrift store, pawn shop or even a neighborhood garage sale, setting up for emulation could possible simple but on the other hand his computer and tv arrangement might be a complete and utter mess

>> No.1141880

>>1141871
I know this is /vr/ but we're not on 1999 hardware anymore.

>> No.1141884

>>1141859
>Finding a good one can be difficult because it's too much trouble to type craigslist.org
FTFY

>> No.1141887

>>1141742
Curious on Virtual Console is there a way to sideload that stuff on to a Wii?

I've had a ton of bugs emulating N64 even on popular games, what with textures zooming everywhere on screen. And digging out the N64, my heavy ass CRT, accessories/cables, and those lean developing controllers made of packing peanuts and gum isn't really worth the hassle for a few N64 games.

>> No.1141892

In order of preference
>RGB SCART mod on N64 with a rgb CRT
>RGB SCART mod on N64 with a SCART to YUV adapter on a component CRT
>Svideo on a CRT
>Composite on a CRT
>Xrgb scaler on an HDTV

Anything else will pretty much suck.

>> No.1141889

>CRTfags shitting up this thread

Not everyone has the space, time or inclination to own and maintain a working CRT TV for SDTV games. Face it, no one is going to use a CRT for their main television, so it will have to be located somewhere else, and people may not have another place in their home for such a thing.

I have a PVM and think it's great, but totally understand it's not for everyone. I had to make my own SCART adaptor, it needs re-calibration (or maybe some other maintenance) and it's a massive 17 kg brick on my desk.

>> No.1141971

>>1141889
Of course no one is going to use it for their main tv. My main TV is a 40inch samsung. Then for retro I have a 27inch CRT. Some people are mad casual and like playing retro how it was intended.

>> No.1141976

>>1141670
If it can't linedouble the interlaced picture into progressive scan, and it can't do that job well, it's not going to make a single difference.

And my guess is that it won't.

>> No.1141983

>>1141971
Aren't

>> No.1142195

>>1141880
Yeah, but N64 emulation hasn't progressed that much since the mid 2000's. Unless all you play are the popular titles like Mario 64 and Zelda, you can expect to have to juggle plugins around and fiddle with settings depending on the game just to get everything looking close to correct.

>> No.1142232

>>1141889
>to maintain
what?
>Not everyone has the space
what?
Since when it is required huge space and lot of maintenance to own a 14" TV? I even have a 32" LCD TV, a 19" LCD monitor TV for the PC and a 14" old TV for games. ALL THAT in my tiny ass room, and I still have space for stuff.

>> No.1142240

OP here

So basically I will hate playing majora's mask using said hdmi converter scaler!!???

I am poor and live in a small place with no room for a big CRT and emulators take away from actually playing a 64.

best at the top

>64 on CRT
>64 on old tube
>64 on older hdtv with av option
>64 on newer hdtv with hdmi converter scaler

is this the consensus?

>> No.1142310

Jesus, I knew you'd all bring out the whole CRT shit again. This is like becoming /vr/'s fucking Install Gentoo.

I still play my N64 from time to time on my flat screen. And it's...fine. I won't lie, the image is pretty poor, but it's not bad. I don't get input lag or anything else like that.

>> No.1142318

>I had to buy it because my tv is too new for the yellow video input and made everything black and white and blurry.

OP, I think your TV is broken. I bought a HDTV earlier this year, and the component ports were also meant to be compatible with composite cables and devices. Plugging in the yellow composite cable into that port should give me a full-colour SD picture, but it only gave me black-and-white. I called the manufacturer's help line, and they straight-up told me it's broken.

With that said, getting a RCA to HDMI converter for playing old game consoles on new TVs is never a bad idea. Even if you had no problems with your HDTV and everything was in perfect working order, that N64 is going to look much better when using a 1080p scaler. However, upscaled polygons will never look as good as upscaled pixel art.

>> No.1142363

>>1142318
OP here,

But I researched and found out that a lot of people have the same "black and white" issue with newer HDTV's....

It sounds like some people here just like the nostalgia factor of playing on a 100lb glass tube...

>> No.1142385

>>1142363
How many of those people actually bothered to call the manufacturer? Did you? I can't help but ask because I see too many people letting shit like that slide, these days. Like I said, Toshiba told me they sold me a broken TV and replaced it under warranty.

If it's common for TVs to have that problem, then it sounds like manufacturers are letting the quality of their composite inputs go to shit because it's probably going to be obsolete in the next few years.

>> No.1142390

>>1141697
Bought? Hell, people practically throw em away! Some dude gave away a massive 35in Hitachi tube television, all he wanted was someone to move the damn thing for him because it was so fucking heavy. Shit was caaaaaash.

>> No.1142394

Woah woah what? They've actually begun expunging BASIC RCA INPUTS on HDTVs? What the shit yo...Not every one of my devices that I wanna hook up has existed since the past 4 years yo.

>> No.1142443

>>1141697

This. Nobody here has any fucking idea

>> No.1142551

OP here,

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!!!! I FORGOT TO TOGGLE MY COMP VIDEO MODE FROM "HD COLOR STREAM" TO "VIDEO" IN ADVANCED OPTIONS!!!

NOW I BOUGHT A FUCKING CONVERTER FOR NO REASON!!!!

Well maybe I can at least try both and see which one yields better gameplay....

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1142570

>>1142551
What'd we learn?

>> No.1142575

>>1142394
No, they combine the composite and component inputs, so you can either feed a composite signal with NTSC/PAL chroma carrier into the Y plug or use Y/Pb/Pr component.

See:
>>1142551

Read the manual next time, buddy. And the answer is, it's always going to look like shit. Welcome to HDTV.

>> No.1142586

>>1142575
OP HERE,
damn I am quite the idiot, but seriously it's not all for naught, the graphics on 480i are blurry as hell, now I can compare with my 1080 scaler comin in.... right?? lulz

>> No.1142870

>>1142586
I don't know if this will help you or not. I bought a dvdo edge for playing my playstation 2 games at 1080, some games like mgs 3 look great while others have lots of jaggies, but the picture is very clear.

>> No.1142883

>>1142586
The external scaler probably uses the same licensed reference design as the one in the TV. It's all commodity at this point.

>> No.1142887

>>1142883
Seriously. Upscalers are a scam. If your television didn't have an upscaler you'd be seeing your 480i content as a 640x480 window in a black 1920x1080 box. Honestly, that'd be for the better, but I've never seen a TV that doesn't upscale.

>> No.1142897

>>1142887
>If your television didn't have an upscaler you'd be seeing your 480i content as a 640x480 window in a black 1920x1080 box
Worse, you'd see one field at a time as a ~640x240 box.

>> No.1142898

>>1142897
Haha, very true.

>> No.1142912

>>1142887
My parents' crappy Olevia from like 5 years ago has an option to display stuff 1:1, so if you wanted to, you could display low-res content in a 640x480 box.

That said, most N64 games aren't even 480i, but rather 240p or around there. LCDs just line-double that into 480i and deinterlace it, which can cause issues.

>> No.1142985

>>1142887
>Seriously. Upscalers are a scam. If your television didn't have an upscaler you'd be seeing your 480i content as a 640x480 window in a black 1920x1080 box. Honestly, that'd be for the better, but I've never seen a TV that doesn't upscale.

Confirmed for never having seen an X-RGB Mini in action.

>> No.1143024

>>1141859
The quick and easy solution is for OP to pick up a CRT at a thrift store.

>> No.1143757

>>1143024
OP here,
I live in a 800 sq ft. shithole...no room for more stuff... what is the smallest CRT or PVM I can get??

>> No.1143769

>>1143757
They literally have 8-12inch CRTs all over the place if you're that worried about space. 19inch ones hardly take up any space as it is.

>> No.1143771

>>1141697
CRTs hurt my eyes.