MP4 Thread

[Anonymous No.11396921]

4Chan just added H264/MP4 support, also the webm thread just died, let's have the first MP4 thread on /vr/

[Anonymous No.11396924]

>>11396921
No fucking way
Is there H265 support?

[Anonymous No.11396926]

Is there any reason to use h264 when vp9 is higher quality for the same bitrate?

[Anonymous No.11396930]

>>11396924
>Is there H265 support?
Unfortunately no

>>11396926
Supported by more devices I guess, also many GPUs can do H264 hardware encoding so it can take a few seconds instead of up to half an hour or more to encode a file. I used my GPU to encode that OP video.

[Anonymous No.11396937]

>>11396930
>half an hour or more to encode a file
Your CPU would have to be extremely ancient for it to take 30 mins for a 4MB vp9 webm. Mine takes about a minute
I guess there are some poorfags with 10 years old low end CPUs here though and h264 is at least better than vp8

[Anonymous No.11396943]

>>11396937
It's a 11700K, depends on how complex the video is and the resolution.

[Anonymous No.11396975]

>>11396921
>no sound
I sleep

[Anonymous No.11397008]

goddamn it, i converted mine to webm seconds ago

[Anonymous No.11397019]

>>11397008
vp9 is still higher quality than h264
There's no reason to use h264 unless your CPU is so shit it takes half an hour to encode a vp9 webm

[Anonymous No.11397021]

>>11396921
all my mp4s were already converted to webm.. years ago.. for the past decade, at least..
this info comes so late, i'm not even amused or anything. that's cool, though.

[Anonymous No.11397030]

>>11396921
It's literally just so that it's easier to repost Twitter/TikTok content here.

[Anonymous No.11397057]

>>11396921
Good change, but I'm still hoping for sound.

[Anonymous No.11397108]

>ancient codec addition in 2024
thanks for nothing hiro. AV1 when?

[Anonymous No.11397118]

>>11396921
>Finally add mp4 support
>still no sound

[Anonymous No.11397235]

>>11397030
and reddit. only lazy iOS users benefit from this. get ready for a flood of cancer with smaller thread limits

[Anonymous No.11397238]

>>11397235
You really think that lack of MP4 support, on a site where the vast majority of posts are text or images, was somehow causing a flood of IOS users to remain at bay but now that it's supported they will come flooding here?

[Anonymous No.11397301]

>Error: Corrupted file or unsupported file type.
aw

[Anonymous No.11397303]

>>11397301
only ancient codecs allowed, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.11397339]

>>11397303
cant tell what's wrong with either of these
>H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
>Google/On2's VP9 Video (VP90)

I'll mess with it more when I get home from work

[Anonymous No.11397353]

>>11397030
thats fine this entire site is tiktok and twitter reposts these days anyways

[Anonymous No.11397396]

>>11396921
>>11396930
> 2024
> no audio

[Anonymous No.11398075]

>>11397353
it'll make /v/ worse but i think we'll be ok

[Anonymous No.11398080]

>>11397396
Good.
Don't want screamers and surprise nigger porn noises on my board.

[Anonymous No.11398083]

>>11398080
this lol

[Anonymous No.11398089]

>>11396921
>still no sound

So damn close, ugh.

[Anonymous No.11398674]

>>11398080
This wasn't a problem on 8ch and it's not a problem here on /wsg/ either

[Anonymous No.11398991]

>>11398080
> my board
you don't own anything and never will.

>>11398674
>This wasn't a problem on 8ch and it's not a problem here on /wsg/ either
factual. it's a fantasy problem that doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.11399051]

>>11398080
>implying posters put any effort into their """"trolling"""" anymore

This isn't 2007 anymore grandpa, any "trolling" that takes more than 20 secs of effort just doesn't exist anymore

[Anonymous No.11399067]

>>11399051
I miss the age of the P-P-P-Powerbook

[Anonymous No.11399228]

>>11396921
Oh shit

[Anonymous No.11399232]

>>11398080
This
Anyone okay with it is obviously a deranged gooner or lurks /b/ or /pol/ too often.

[Anonymous No.11399237]

test

[Anonymous No.11399243]

>no webp
for what raisin?

[Anonymous No.11399274]

>>11399237
moar test

[Anonymous No.11399289]

>>11396921
Fucking yes, hopefully webm suffers a fast death.

[Anonymous No.11399350]

Trying to narrow this damn corruption shit down

[Anonymous No.11399351]

[Anonymous No.11399374]

>>11397301
Ok I'm fairly confident it's Color Format that's tripping it up
source videos: files.catbox.moe/uvn3bw.7z

>I420 is let through
>I444 is marked "corrupted" with .mp4
>I444 is let through with .webm

I'm used to recording/uploading in I444 for nicer/more accurate colors, so this arbitrary denial on 4chan's end is a real kick in the teeth
Where's the best place to complain and get it fixed?

[Anonymous No.11399382]

To emphasize the quality difference lost, here's what the simple change from I420 recording to I444 does
>Chrome's copy video frame for the two videos
>raw emulator PrintScreen on the right

[Anonymous No.11399395]

>>11396921
>still need to cut out audio
>still need to be 3mb
what's the point?

[Anonymous No.11399408]

>>11399243
This one

[Anonymous No.11399424]

>>11399395
>>still need to be 3mb
4MB actually

[Anonymous No.11399541]

>>11397396
They explained why (they feel like 4chan would have just turned into a video sharing site if they permitted audio).

Video embedding is really meant to just give the site a more modern alternative to .GIFs.

[Anonymous No.11399550]

>>11398991
Cope and seethe in silence, you got no audio.

[Anonymous No.11399553]

>>11399243
Webp is nigger garbage with security problems

[Anonymous No.11399592]

WTF really? What about sound? Why is there no sound on any board other than gif?

[Anonymous No.11399643]

>>11399395
>3mb
Anon, it's been 4MB for like 2 years now

[Anonymous No.11399647]

>>11399592
>Why is there no sound on any board other than gif?
No good reason
People always give the screamer argument but it's not a problem on /wsg/ so I can't see why it suddenly would be here

[Anonymous No.11400791]

>>11399647
>No good reason
Again
>>11399541

[Anonymous No.11401827]

Mp4 is soulless

[Anonymous No.11401848]

Why do you want sound so much?

[Anonymous No.11402137]

>>11401848
I wanna hear the bings and wahoos

[Anonymous No.11402515]

>>11398674
>>11399647
You know it'll happen when the floodgates are opened. /wsg/ is a controlled space and thus easier to manage than the entire website at once, especially given the reputation of some boards. Same sort of crazies that caused the advent of the 300-second wait timers on the captcha per browser session to combat spam.

[Anonymous No.11402912]

>>11397019
>vp9 is still higher quality than h264
can an average anon tell the difference?

[Anonymous No.11403779]

>>11402912
Let's try an experiment, I tried encoding the same video four times in ffmpeg using libvpx vp8, libvpx vp9, CPU H264, and GPU H264 all with the same settings of a CRF of 4, VBR of 1512, and in two-pass mode, though it seems like GPU encoding does not support two-pass.

Mind you I am hardly an expert in video encoding, also not sure what would be the best sample video, I just used whatever. I guess somebody who knows how vp8/9/h264 work would be a lot better in choosing videos that would look better in vp8/9 or h264.

Anyway, here is the libvpx/VP8

[Anonymous No.11403782]

>>11402912
>>11403779
The libvpx/VP9, this one took considerably more time to encode than the others.

[Anonymous No.11403785]

>>11402912
>>11403782
The CPU H264

[Anonymous No.11403789]

>>11402912
>>11403785
The GPU H264

[Anonymous No.11403818]

>>11403779
This isn't too harsh on compression (some things like smooth gradients moving are really hard on video compression) or low bitrate enough so they all looks similar
Anything can looks good if you can throw enough bitrate at it or if it's not too hard on compression
If these were 1 minute long and you had to use a lower bitrate the difference would be apparent

[Anonymous No.11403825]

>>11397301
did you update 4chanx?

[Anonymous No.11403838]

>>11397238
Probably not, but iOS normalfags did cause the downfall of many an emulation site once their overlord lifted the ban on emulators on the App store due to them being fucking attention-whoring retards who couldn't wait to shout from the rooftops on social media where to go for ROMs. Do not underestimate their capacity for fucking everything up.

[Anonymous No.11403846]

>>11399051
lol this, you can't even call it trolling anymore. All retards do now is post something inflammatory as bait for (You)s or spam s0ijajcks and smug pepes. And the sad part is it works, because most people here are just as retarded.

[Anonymous No.11403903]

>>11403779
Here is something that's extremely harsh on video compression: Grain combined with fog/smoke (Silent Hill 3 is retro so it's still /vr/)
It will look like ass because of that combined with the filesize limit plus length of the video forcing me to use an inadequate bitrate, but that's intentional as I want to push the codecs as hard as possible
I suggest watching the entire video for each as different parts push different things

Starting with VP8: It's shit, there is literally no reason to use it now that we have h264 for fast encoding. It looks the worst by far. Never use that garbage. The quality gap between this and any other codec you can currently use on 4chan is extremely big

[Anonymous No.11403905]

>>11403903
H264 NVenc (GPU): much better than VP8 but still struggles with some things. At least you don't see parts of the image completely losing colors anymore like with VP8. This is more meant for fast encoding for streaming anyway

[Anonymous No.11403907]

>>11403905
H264 CPU: It looks very similar to the GPU encoding at first but the more you look at it, the more you realize it handles some things better. A very apparent improvement is the fade out at the very end

[Anonymous No.11403913]

>>11403907
VP9: Still the best of them all but encoding times are extremely long compared to H264. You decide if the extra quality is worth the extra encoding time, personally I think it's worth it

[Anonymous No.11403943]

>>11403907
>>11403913
And a comparison image for the last two just in case you didn't notice any difference

[Anonymous No.11404012]

>>11397118
Maybe in the next 10 years, 4chan will have sound support on all boards.

[Anonymous No.11404016]

>>11396921
>webm
>no webp
>mp4
>no h265
I truly don't understand

[Anonymous No.11404037]

>>11396975
>>11397057
>>11397118
>>11398089
>>11399592
https://sleazyfork.org/en/scripts/31045-4chan-external-sounds

[Anonymous No.11404937]

>>11404016
webp can go die in a fire as far as I am concerned

[Anonymous No.11404939]

>>11399553
And webp isn't?

[Anonymous No.11404981]

>>11403779
>>11403782
>>11403785
>>11403789
they all look roughly the same to me.
im sure that if you start pìxel peeking or using fancy metrics or whatever you can tell that x is 2.5 better than y but to my eyes casually watching theres no difference.

[Anonymous No.11404987]

>>11404981
>x is 2.5 better than y
i mean 2.5%
>>11403913
yeah vp9 looks defo better

[Anonymous No.11405310]

>>11398080
Audio could simply be off by default.

[Anonymous No.11405650]

>>11404937
I agree with this anon.

[Anonymous No.11405662]

>>11396930
>transparency and layering completely busted
>mushroom appears in front of ? block
>character walks in front of stairs
slop

[Anonymous No.11405903]

>>11405662
>slop
You mean kino

[Anonymous No.11405924]

>no sound
soul
>sound
soulless

[Anonymous No.11406364]

>>11396921
So what's better, h264 or vp9?

[Anonymous No.11406373]

>>11403779
worst
>>11403789
second worst
>>11403782
>>11403785
pretty much the same. i think maybe the webm looks better when theres effects/motion but the MP4 looks better in general.

[Anonymous No.11406382]

>>11404016
>adds cumbersome MP4 instead of WEBM with audio
>>11404937
>>11405650
same. i dunno if its actually a bad format but its fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.11406570]

>>11406364
vp9, but h264 has hardware decoding so shitting videos is faster

[Anonymous No.11406629]

>>11396926
It's not.

[Anonymous No.11406637]

>>11406629
It is, as proved by the SH3 webms above

[Anonymous No.11406673]

>>11406637
As disproven by both sets of videos above. You're cherry picking a specific frame that looks good. If you actually watch >>11403913 from 20 seconds to 22 (about the time the frame was taken), you clearly see her freckles appear and disappear randomly over that couple of seconds. The h264 video doesn't do that.

Also, as is usual for VP9, you can watch >>11403782 and see how it fucks up the straight polygons like the bat wings, Cloud's sword, etc so that they're jagged. It's a worse codec that just exists to save Google some money on Youtube.

[Anonymous No.11407284]

>>11406570
this. hardware decoding itself shits out worse quality too.

[Anonymous No.11407389]

>>11407284
I generally prefer to do CPU encoding when reasonable for that same reason, but this isn't exactly a rare printing of a Laserdisk movie I am uploading to archive.org or ripping my own movies to a Plex server or something, taking a few seconds to do GPU encoding is more than good enough for the kinds of video posted here.

[Anonymous No.11407394]

>>11405662
Go make your own then

[Anonymous No.11407450]

>>11396930
This is cool as shit. I've been having dreams about SHMUPs in this style lately for some reason. These games are better when they look/feel like electromechanical toys rather than straight up vidya games.

[Anonymous No.11407489]

>>11407450
It's using an emulator called 3dSen VR (Formally 3DNES) shown here >>11405903 and a very very expensive "holographic" device called a Looking Glass Portrait.