/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.11250559]

It's amazing how Sony let go of two of the franchises heavily associated with the Playstation. It's like if Nintendo let Mario and Zelda be multiplat after the NES. Why were they able to not only able to survive Crash/Spyro going to other platforms, but thrive?

[Anonymous No.11250563]

>>11250559
if this is sony's mario and zelda the playstation's success is a riddle for the ages

[Anonymous No.11250565]

They haven’t really thrived since the Ps2, truth be told.

[Anonymous No.11250572]

mostly has to do with the original developers of each series leaving after the final ps1 games. Naughty Dog and Insomniac were crucial to the games feeling and playing right, without them and new developers it was going to be much lower quality. Them going to shit right as they became multiplatform was a timing coincidence as games like ratchet and clank were high quality while under the old makers of Spyro.

[Anonymous No.11250574]

>>11250563
Still posting this after getting raped and creampied?

[Anonymous No.11250583]

>>11250559
This is a huge part of why PlayStation doesn't enjoy as much brand loyalty or nostalgia as Nintendo does.

PlayStation's major IPs change with pretty much every generation. PS1 had Crash, Spyro, Twisted Metal, Ape Escape etc. PS2 had Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Sly Cooper. PS3 had Killzone, Resistance, Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet. PS4/5 has Spiderman, The Last of Us, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, and so on.

There's no time for anyone to develop a real love of Sony's IPs because they only ever last for a few years before the devs completely abandon them and move on to some new thing. It means people only ever have nostalgia for one specific era of PlayStation, you have "PS1 kids" and "PS2 kids" and "PS3 kids" and they all played completely different games, compared to Nintendo where someone who grew up with the NES and someone who grew up with the Switch knows and loves the same characters.

[Anonymous No.11250591]

>>11250559
They wanted new mascots, particularly Naughty Dog

[Anonymous No.11250627]

>>11250583
They allow franchises to have their time in the sun and let them end (Gran Turismo and God of War being the only exceptions). They quickly make a bunch of the games for a character (3 Crashes, 3 Jaks, 3 Slys, in one gen), then they move on. I see a lot of value in how they adapt and change era over era. It keeps them varied, you don't know what will be the big games for them the next gen. They don't have brand loyalty so every gen, they have to earn their fans by putting forth something new to draw them in.

[Anonymous No.11250643]

>>11250627
Unlike Nintendo who has been dragging the sad corpses of Zelda and Mario thru all kinds of shit, slopping them off too all kinds of developers to churn out the shittiest games imaginable. Through thick and thin, you can't erase the stains of wigger mario or celda which still haunt the franchises to this day.

It's OK for good things to have their time and retire while they're at their peak instead of raping them until they're a hollow corpse.

[Anonymous No.11250652]

>>11250643
>all kinds of developers
? Aside from Capcom Zeldas Nintendo always develop mainline Mario platformers and Zelda games themselves

[Anonymous No.11250653]

>>11250583
I guess that's the downside of trying new things instead of trotting out the same few IPs over and over again forever.

[Anonymous No.11250659]

>>11250652
bro the mario vs donkey kong series is made by an indian.

[Anonymous No.11250712]

>>11250563
>>11250574
Crash 1 is a genuinely bad game that got by exclusively on spectacle.

[Anonymous No.11250726]

>>11250559
Standards are higher outside of Nintendo
I mean just look at Pokemon. The graphics suck dick and the gameplay has barely changed in nearly 30 fucking years yet the games are selling tens of millions of units every time and get 10/10s from every publication. Mario is in much the same position with garbage like the New Super Mario series.
Meanwhile Crash and Spyro were dropped by their original developers because they wanted to keep innovating but ran out of ideas around the second entry in their respective franchises.

[Chud Anon No.11250735]

>>11250559
I mean, Rare made 50% of good games on the N64 and Nintendo let them go.

But then again, all modern snoy cares about is censored movie slop, the Sony of the PSX era died the day they moved their headquarters to commiefornia.

[Anonymous No.11250741]

>>11250563
this post again? lol gr8 b8 m8

[Anonymous No.11250751]

>>11250726
Pokemon truly is garbage but honestly I'd rather play New Super Mario Bros than anything Sony has been putting out since the PS3 except TLG and Gravity Rush and I wish I was joking

[Anonymous No.11250754]

>>11250559
what's more bizarre is Microsoft keeps buying all these famous franchises that made consoles popular and just sit on them

[Chud Anon No.11250762]

>>11250751
Is just rather not give nu-Sony any money whatsoever, under any circumstances.

PC + Switch is the thinking man’s combo

[Anonymous No.11250772]

>>11250563
The 1 pixel mistakes happen in Mario too.
Platformers suck.

[Anonymous No.11250774]

>>11250735
Nintendo struggled without Rare, look at the Gamecube. Whereas Sony flew even higher without Crash/Spyro.

[Anonymous No.11250795]

>>11250762
Desktop PC gaming is a direct pipeline to inceldom/NEETdom. I will never allow my kids to have a desktop. Normie laptops only.

[Anonymous No.11250821]

>>11250712
...but enough about marios piss factory.

>>11250795
If one of my kids asks for a desktop I'm belting him across the chops. PC gaming did to gaming communities what crack did to inner city black communities.

[Anonymous No.11250826]

>>11250559
>Why were they able to not only able to survive Crash/Spyro going to other platforms, but thrive?
Because the Playstation was THE console to have. It didn't need any gimmicks or mascots, because it had all the games anyway.

[Chud Anon No.11250861]

>>11250795
>>11250821
Consoles are a cuck cage that shackle you to one manufacturers store front. You are literally sticking your dick in a Sony branded chastity cage when you commit to a console.

[Anonymous No.11250872]

>>11250861
Aren't you a Filipino or something?

[Anonymous No.11250874]

>>11250861
Yeah, let’s all trust 'Chud Anon' here. Perfect example of why desktop PC gaming should be avoided entirely. Consoles and laptops only.

[Anonymous No.11250892]

>>11250821
>>11250874
Yea you sound like you'd be a great parent.

[Anonymous No.11250950]

You see people who aren't insane cultists don't want to play the same games over and over again

[Anonymous No.11250983]

>>11250892
Laptops and consoles only. Spread the word.

[Anonymous No.11250992]

>>11250559
I like crash slightly more than jak but ratchet is a lot better than spyro desu

[Anonymous No.11251031]

>>11250559
crash and spyro was too kiddie for 6th gen

[Anonymous No.11251230]

They were never sony franchises, just incidental exclusives that stopped being exclusive once other consoles were worth a shit.

[Anonymous No.11251282]

Are Sony fans really pretending that Sony is better off without Crash, Spyro and other PS1 staples?
Sony would have been far better off if it had maintained its legacy franchises and would have culminated a far more loyal fanbase.
Just look at modern Sony. It's literally just GoW, and Spider-Man. They only have large movie games going for them, it's a joke.

[Anonymous No.11251287]

>>11251282
Why is it a joke? Their latest console has already sold about as much as the N64 and Gamecube combined. They seem to be doing great.

[Anonymous No.11251292]

>>11251287
The PS5? A game infamous for having essentially no games. And is defacto just treated as a graphically enhanced version of the PS4 with the amount of games still made for both systems.
Also, if you actually want to compare it to Nintendo's modern console, the sales are not even close.

[Anonymous No.11251296]

>>11251292
Of course has games, it's just ragged on by fanboys who don't like the games it has. If their latest console is doing badly, the N64 and Gamecube did fucking abysmally.

[Anonymous No.11251298]

>>11251296
The market itself was far smaller. If you are comparing the PS5 to a time when the gaming industry was a fraction of the size, this is not a good comparison for it.
And once again, the PS5 barely has any games on it. It has taken the console years just to get a small sliver of exclusives.
This was a problem with the PS4 as well, but it is so much worse with the PS5.

[Anonymous No.11251309]

>>11251298
Your argument doesn't hold up since the PS2 outsold the Gamecube by a significantly larger margin than Nintendo's latest console is outselling Sony's. The PS2 is still the best-selling home console of all time in fact. The PS1 also significantly outsold the N64, it wasn't even close. Modern consoles now have to contend with both smartphone games and a surge of gaming PC interest pulling people away and Sony's latest console still is doing better than Nintendo's past ones did against Sony's.

[Anonymous No.11251319]

>>11251309
Except my argument did, as we were talking about the PS5, not the PS2.
If you also want to argue that, then the switch is also on the way to surpassing the PS2.

[Anonymous No.11251330]

>>11251319
Compare:

N64 = 32.93 million
PS1 = 102.49 million

Gamecube = 21.74 million
PS2 = 155 million

Wii = 101.63 million
PS3 = 87.4 million

Wii U = 13.56 million
PS4 = 117.2 million

Switch = 143.42 million
PS5 = 50 million

Bear in mind that the Switch released to compete with the PS4 after the Wii U failed miserably, and the PS5 suffered greatly from the chip shortage which led to people being outright unable to purchase consoles for several years. The Switch had a three-year headstart over it before covid hit and normies were lining up to buy them just to play Animal Crossing which most Nintendo fans admit is a bad entry in the series and was carried hard by becoming a fad.

>the switch is also on the way to surpassing the PS2
Not likely, sales have nearly flatlined and the successor is almost definitely coming out next year. You'll need to hope Nintendo doesn't Nintendo it up and make another Wii U.

[Anonymous No.11251342]

playstation won

[Anonymous No.11251350]

>>11251342
PlayStation console sales = 512.09 million
Nintendo console sales over the same period = 313.28 million
Checks out.

[Anonymous No.11251384]

>>11251330
>PS5 suffered greatly from the chip shortage which led to people being outright unable to purchase consoles for several years.
That is a fair point to make. But once again, I was referring to the latest ps5 console, to state that Sony did not have massive prior success is obviously false.
But the PS5 is a massive drop off and a disappointment of a console.
It has no games and it was very much treated as just a graphically enhanced version of the PS4.
>Not likely, sales have nearly flatlined and the successor is almost definitely coming out next year.
The switch has legs, it will be selling for a very long time even after its successor comes out.
>The Switch had a three-year headstart over it before covid hit and normies were lining up to buy them just to play Animal Crossing
Normies lined up to buy all of the switch launch titles and first party Nintendo exclusives. Animal crossing was definitely number 1, but this success carried over to Mario, Zelda, etc.

[Anonymous No.11251420]

>>11251384
Again, the PS5 obviously has games, just not ones you're interested in. People didn't buy 50 million of them and counting just to look at. /v/irgin Nintendo fanboys said the same nonsense about the PS3 and PS4. The same people who unironically were defending the Wii U to its death.

[Anonymous No.11251448]

>>11251420
>Again, the PS5 obviously has games, just not ones you're interested in.
No. In reality it barely has any games and keep in mind, for a lot of these it took years for them to come out. And some of these games listed here aren't even out.

[Anonymous No.11251482]

>>11250563
>sucks at a kid's video game
>makes a video about how it's "unfair"
>calls it bad on the internet to justify himself
are you 12?

[Anonymous No.11251485]

>>11251448
>In reality it barely has any games
Nice goalpost shift. You're finally moving closer to telling the truth for a change. Sony has released a lot of their would-be first-party titles on PC, it's called being pro-consumer so that people aren't tethered to proprietary hardware Apple-style. Something Nintendo shamelessly indulges in.

[Anonymous No.11251494]

>>11251485
>Nice goalpost shift.
Except I said that awhile ago. Actually read what I write.
>Sony has released a lot of their would-be first-party titles on PC, it's called being pro-consumer so that people aren't tethered to proprietary hardware Apple-style
The answer to this is that a lot of would be ps5 exclusives are also sold on the PS4. Hardly anyone makes ps5 exclusives because ultimately the console is an underperforming flop. And what little games it does have, is entirely centralised around the main draw for the system.
A handful of movie games (and even then Sony will release them on the PC. Further devaluing the PS5.)
Nintendo is actually smart, because they know by maintaining exclusivity they are not undermining their own console, like Sony does.

[Anonymous No.11251497]

>>11251485
How is releasing games on PC being "pro-consumer"? PC is not the default platform, as much as /v/tards like to pretend it is.

[Anonymous No.11251506]

>>11251494
>Hardly anyone makes ps5 exclusives because ultimately the console is an underperforming flop.
it already has sold more than the NES, SNES, GC, N64 and the WiiU

[Anonymous No.11251510]

>>11250559
Sony never owned either franchise in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11251517]

>>11251494
What you said was
>>11251384
>It has no games
Now you're going to pretend like that was not you since mods removed thread ip count.

>>11251497
>How is releasing games on PC being "pro-consumer"?
Because it gives people the option to play the games with better hardware on a platform they may be more comfortable playing them on. Consoles will obviously never be able to compete with the ever-evolving PC landscape in terms of performance. With Nintendo, you're just stuck playing their games at abysmal resolutions and framerates. Emulation is met with extreme prejudice since Nintendo hates its fans while at the same time refusing to give them better options and keeping hoards of games unreleased.

[Anonymous No.11251519]

Why the fuck are there people defending the Ps5 on a board about retro games?

[Anonymous No.11251528]

>>11251519
Janny will clean it up, IPs will be switched, and everything will return to normal.

[Anonymous No.11251529]

>>11250762
>PC + Switch is the thinking man’s combo
The Steamdeck has completely invalidated the Switch

[Anonymous No.11251531]

>>11251517
Actually read what I wrote here, >>11251298 before you started talking about ancient consoles when the industry was a fraction of its size.

[Anonymous No.11251535]

>>11251517
>Nintendo should completely kill their console manufacturing business just so westerners can play their games "more comfortably" on Steam
What an unfathomably retarded position.

[Anonymous No.11251538]

>>11251519
I don't know. People got defensive over the topic, I guess

[Anonymous No.11251542]

>>11251538
I’m not gonna lie, I don’t like Sony ever since they started censoring anime tiddies.

[Anonymous No.11251545]

>>11251542
Fair point as long as you also dislike Nintendo for their constant censorship in games like Fire Emblem (yes they've taken to doing it in the Japanese release as well)

[Anonymous No.11251559]

>>11251519
Snoys still can't get over the fact that they haven't had a console with games since the mid 2000s and are very sensitive about it.

[Anonymous No.11251560]

>>11251528
>Tendies begging janny to save them
Lol

[Anonymous No.11251568]

Sony never owned either of those franchises.

[Anonymous No.11251656]

>>11250559
It is ridiculous they let them go but its also probably likely they had no real choice since they never owned the IPs. I think it was Universal at the time that owned both. Then it went to Activision. The reason they were able to thrive was because they were building an empire on more than just a mascot character. People also saw them as the more adult alternative to Nintendo so the brand was definitely not going to go anywhere once Sega flopped about and dropped from the console wars. I doubt Sony sweats it all that much either. They sure as hell didn't seem all too eager to get them somehow even if it had to be timed exclusivity. If you ask me though I think had Sony did own them they would have eventually fucked both IPs up anyways in time.

[Anonymous No.11251681]

>>11250583
Spotlighting something new every generation is a not a negative. Sega does this to great effect, not counting their animated corpse today.

[Anonymous No.11251689]

>>11251282
What you said has some truth to it but games like Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Tekken and others that people often associate with Sony in the early days never actually belonged to Sony. Not just that but many of these games also had Saturn or N64 ports, later Dreamcast ports. Sony just got really lucky how bad Sega fucked up and Nintendo went with cartridges so their console was wildly different which forced many publishers/developers to have to go with Sony anyways.

It seemed to me like they did try to rebuild to have unique IPs during the PS3 gen but most of those games just couldn't breakthrough in a huge mainstream way like that. So they kind of found out that it seemed a lot of their fanbase liked these godawful movie games so they went with that.

They may have had even more loyal fans had they had more legacy IPs but they clearly aren't hurting all too much in regards to people buying the PlayStation. Lets also not pretend like Microsoft is good at this either btw. They suck balls too they simply have been buying their IPs that were long established instead. Really only Nintendo seems to have known how to build this shit from the ground up.

[Chud Anon No.11251694]

>>11250983
>t. spent over 700 plus tip to watch Naughty Dog feature films on his PS5 pro

Why are Snoycels like this?

>>11251309
>moves goal posts back to when Sony actually had good consoles

[Anonymous No.11251698]

>>11251694
I'm surprised you're not a big Sony guy since you're one of those SEAmonkeys after all.

[Chud Anon No.11251703]

>>11251689
> Really only Nintendo seems to have known how to build this shit from the ground up.

I don’t know man, Game Freak has been hot garbage for over a decade and Nintendo keeps giving them the monopoly on Pokemon. Even cellphone developers and freelance hobbyists have made better pokemon games than gamefreak.

[Anonymous No.11251707]

>>11251703
Why do you still care about a children's RPG in the first place? Pokemon was always gay shit.

[Chud Anon No.11251713]

>>11251698
I loved the PSX, and while I didn’t own a PS2, I acknowledge the breadth of its library.

Every console after that has been nogaems outside of movie slop and censored dogshit. Even the Hexbox would be a better value than a modern Snoy console because of Game Pass and less censorship.

>bloodborne, spider man, the list goes on….

[Anonymous No.11251717]

>>11250572
Wasn't the first PS2 Crash game not bad, and Twinsanity was when it went to shit?

[Anonymous No.11251719]

>>11251713
Was that one of the factors that led to your getting bullied? All of your pinoy peers were playing Sony consoles while you were still playing games meant for babies?

[Chud Anon No.11251720]

>>11251707
Oh sorry, let’s get back to discussing the mature, adult oriented franchises of Spyro the Dragon and Crash Bandicoot.

[Chud Anon No.11251727]

>>11251719
People who had friends played on Nintendo or Xbox consoles for couch coop lan parties. Snoys are sad, sad gamers grinding away at RPGs and walking simulators in dimly lit rooms.

[Anonymous No.11251730]

>>11251720
Everybody knew those games were meant for kids. Nintendo's entire library was nothing but games targeting that demographic. Nintendo earned that reputation as the baby console for a reason.

[Chud Anon No.11251740]

>>11251730
Nintendos library was also geared towards couch coop and meant for people with friends and health social lives.

Sony went all in on gay melodramatic shit like Kingdom Sharts and Kojima walking simulators because they target losers with no friends.

[Anonymous No.11251742]

>>11251519
I don't know. I just made this thread for people to talk about why so y did well in the 6th gen without Crash/Spyro. Didn't mean for it to get people talking about PS5.

[Anonymous No.11251745]

>>11251740
>Nintendos library was also geared towards couch coop and meant for people with friends and health social lives.
Oh yeah, Smash Bros... Golden Eye.... the uh... the list goes on...

[Chud Anon No.11251768]

>>11251745
Both the PSX and N64 were good consoles anon. I was speaking of modern Sony.

[Anonymous No.11251772]

>>11251768
Why are you talking about modern Sony on a retro board? Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.11251780]

>>11251656
I think they would have just sidelined eventually anyway. Maybe get a crash or two on PS2.

[Anonymous No.11251810]

>>11251519
No one talks about retro games here, they just try to avoid /v/, but then take /v/'s cancer with them