/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1120807]

Was it murder?

[Anonymous No.1120812]

>>1120807
Samus is a bounty hunter, murder is nothing new to her.

[Anonymous No.1120814]

Self-defence. It was clearly attacking her mind with invisible mind bolts even before it appeared..

[Anonymous No.1120817]

>>1120812
MY DIIIIIICK

[Anonymous No.1120818]

>Enter a planet
>In a hour the planet explodes
>IS KILLING A SINGLE LIFEFORM MORALLY WRONG??!

...

[Anonymous No.1120824]

>>1120818
An hour if you're gud

[Anonymous No.1120832]

>>1120824
well, if it is your first time and you arent familiar with sidescrollers it could take you arround 6 hours or so.
Still pretty badass time to blow the shit up of an entire planet...

i have completed it more than 25 times, so i play kinda cool

[Anonymous No.1120842]

>>1120812
moar

[Anonymous No.1120974]

Self-defence

[Anonymous No.1120978]

justice for crocomire!!

[Anonymous No.1120990]

Am I remember it wrong or has Samus basically killed all the Space Pirates? Because if she did that's 2 genocide she committed (if you could metroids as a race). And anyways if you have read the manga she doesn't really give a fuck about Space Pirates so sure let's say it's murder.

[Anonymous No.1121026]

>>1120990
Those guys were dicks, anyway. Nobody will miss 'em.

Samus was getting paid for this, so you can consider her some sort of pest exterminator.

[Anonymous No.1121252]

>>1120990
are space pirates a race? Or are they a subset of a race?

[Anonymous No.1121273]

disu shitto agen

[Anonymous No.1121282]

>>1120842

Artist is Zealk, just checked and there is no more. sorry kiddo.

[Anonymous No.1121305]

>>1120818
Except that's just retarded. Samus didn't set up the destruct sequence. Samus is not responsible for the destruction of the planet, the space pirates are.

[Anonymous No.1121309]

>>1121252
Neither. They're a group. Like the federation. It's made up of various species. Though the most prominent species related to them are the Zebesians as the primary grunts.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1121372]

>>1120990
The most "genocidal" thing she did to the space pirates was inadvertently activate their self-destruct mechanisms.

As for the metroids....well I think Sakamoto fucked up. He later retroactively made it that they were created by the Chozo to deal with the threat of the X Parasites. But why didn't they make it so they just fed on the X, and nothing else?
It's understandable that Samus eliminated them from Zebes; they were never meant to be there and they were being mass-produced by the Space Pirates with the intended use as a bioweapon. But why SR388? There was no space pirate activity there at the time. Why did she kill all of them except for a new hatchling which she promptly smuggled to the federation? If their numbers were getting out of hand, surely reducing their population by a half and maintaining the population every few years would have been sufficient.

Sakamoto plain and simple just fucked up.

[Anonymous No.1121396]

>>1121372
If I remember right, he only came up with that Metroid origin storyline because he heard the Metroid Prime series was planning on showing the origin of the Metroids.

[Anonymous No.1121456]

>>1121396
>>1121372
From what I've heard he doesn't like the Prime series and wanted to try making it noncanon.
"The games that I've been involved with in the Metroid series have been on the NES, GameBoy, Super NES and the GBA. I actually didn't have a lot of input on the Prime series. But when they're doing with Other M here, it's not so much a different universe, it's just a different part of the story. You can't say that there's no relation here; it's probably best to think of them as being in parallel in this world. "

And I was just joking about the mass genocide. I just like thinking Samus as a girl that was pushed to the brink after what happened to both of her families (Human, and Chozo) and just sees red whenever she sees a Space Pirate. And just does her best to eliminate every as many as she potability can. Which is one out of many reasons why I (and so many others) view Other M as non canon. Always thought as soon as she sees even one Space Pirate she will go around the whole planet just to see how many she can kill. I was actually joking the other day that I almost wish they made a Metroid game like Dead Rising where it gives you the number of Space Pirate and if you happen to kill them all you get a nice little achievement.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1121487]

>>1121456
I tend to make the parallel that the Klingons as they are originally depicted in Star Trek (not bound by honor, conniving, would rather destroy themselves than be caught) are Soviet Mongolian humanoid versions of the Space Pirates of the Metroid universe.

[Anonymous No.1121507]

>>1121487
Well the data log in Prime did say that if they better die fighting or they suffer even worst. My theory on Samus bloodlust for the Space Pirate is based on the data logs in Prime. In them the Space Pirates are mostly talking about what they find and them getting off the planet but as soon as they found out "The Hunter" is on the planet they become completely paranoid. As you go deeper they seem to view her more as a demon then just a person that is a bounty hunter.

[Anonymous No.1121563]

>>1121372
Oh right, I should add this to my list of reasons I'm not as big on Fusion as a bunch of people here.

Not that I play Metroid for the story.

[Anonymous No.1121610]

>>1121563
I personally found Fusion fun but it's not a Metroid game. It blocks you off way too many times. There's very limited exploring. There was way too much story that I personally didn't really care about. In Prime it had the data logs but that could easily be skipped but even if you read them they give bit size bites in the world then just one long exposition.

[Anonymous No.1121649]

>>1120807
This game is one of the fondest memory of my youth.

(Non-vr content)
That being said, I recently came in possession of a wii. Should I play the Prime trilogy, or will it ruin those memories?

[Anonymous No.1121669]

>>1121649
I liked the Trilogy but that's if you enjoy the Prime series. I hated Echo's pacing with the dark world but that's just me. And 3 was too easy for my taste. But the control with the Wiimote works wonderfully and the shooting is even better in my opinion. Also you can download Super from the VC and it plays amazingly well with the Classic controller Pro.

[Anonymous No.1121689]

>>1121456
Sakamoto's never said anything about not liking Prime and he's never tried to make them non-canon. Those are rumors based on the fact that Other M contradicts the Prime series, but it also contradicts nearly every other Metroid game, so it's probably just because Sakamoto's a bad writer, not for any malicious reasons.

>>1121649
Prime Trilogy's pretty good. They replaced the old controls with motion controls, but I think they work fine. They patch some stuff that prevents some sequence breaks but if you're just playing casually it's not a problem. If you've never played the Prime games, then it's a good way to experience it.

[Anonymous No.1121704]

One of the best games in the history, i played it much times like fusion and zero mission and the prime saga. And i'm waiting for a new metroid... metroid V please

[Anonymous No.1121796]

>>1121689
It doesn't contradict nearly every metroid game, it contradicts them all.

[Anonymous No.1121802]

>>1121610
I found it fun, too. Just a definite tier or two of fun behind everything that doesn't have Hunters or Other in its name.

[Anonymous No.1121847]

just started other m. doesn't seem too bad, but the dialogue... I think the problem is Japanese writing in general. I swear if I ever went over there, it would be like I was at an Autism Convention

[Anonymous No.1121860]

#justice4croco

[Anonymous No.1121870]

>>1121689
>>1121847
I have a theory that Sakamoto wanted to become a light novel author, so he adapted his dream plot into Other M.

[Anonymous No.1121924]

>>1121309
Zebesian isn't a species it's a civic identity like being murrikan.

[Anonymous No.1122052]

>>1121847
Yeah, that game doesn't seem bad at all when you start.

Then its weaknesses become more and more apparent. It's not just the absurd characterization, either. It's fighting enemies being optional because of self-regeneration and no item drops. It's pixel hunts, including the weird one at the end. It's Ridley's life cycle. It's metroids maybe but not really being immune to ice. It's one-hit KOs on elaborate auto-run moves that make fire fights unnecessary. It's using a control pad in a three dimensional space. It's refusing to use your power ups at the risk of life just because some dude didn't say you could use them.

It's just so awful.

[Anonymous No.1122067]

>>1121924
They aren't even native to Zebes, if Prime 3 is to be believed.

[Anonymous No.1122076]

>>1122052
One of the things I think is one of the worst in the game is Samus fight with Ridley. With everything she had to deal with. From fighting with the Space Pirate twice (if you could only 1 and 3) and the near total destruction of the metroids in 2. Somehow seeming the guy he fought twice already (1 and 3). I understand if she felt shocked but somehow seeing Ridley again brought her to her keens and turn her into a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.1122078]

>>1121860
LOL!

[Anonymous No.1122080]

>>1122052
One of the things I think is one of the worst in the game is Samus fight with Ridley. With everything she had to deal with. From fighting with the Space Pirate twice (if you could only 1 and 3) and the near total destruction of the metroids in 2. Somehow seeming the guy he fought twice already (1 and 3) makes her a crying bitch. I read the manga and I understand why she has a weird emotional connection I guess to him but in was should Samus break down to a point of uselessness just because she has to fight a guy she defeated twice already in her life.

[Anonymous No.1122084]

Crocomire only wanted to get the doritoes in the next room, and Samus threw him into magmacid. God damn, it was murder.

[Anonymous No.1122285]

I'm fucking terrible with metroidvanias. I never got past the magmoor caverns in Prime 1. How do I stop sucking at them?

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1122293]

>>1122285
play 2D metroid games.

[Anonymous No.1122297]

>>1122285
You just want to pay close attention to the environment. Check out anything that looks even slightly out of place. You also want to keep a mental log of places that you can't access, so whenever you get a new item you can go back and try it out.

[Anonymous No.1122304]

>>1122285
I'm pretty shit at video games in general but I made my way through Metroid Prime alright. It's one of the few games I've actually beaten.

Get the game on Wii if you've got one, I've never played the Gamecube version but I'm sure the slightly better resolution and revamped control scheme doesn't hurt.

[Anonymous No.1122902]

so i just got Super Metroid (emulator + ps3 controller on pc)

my parents had an SNES for me when i was a kid (from my 20 year+ older brothers) and, after looking at many "top 100 snes games" to get some ideas for games, i realize we had just about every good game out there that wasn't an rpg.

but super metroid is supposedly competing with zelda for #1 and i've never had it. i started playing and it seems like a solid game.

just curious, are other people out there willing to put super metroid as #1 snes game?

[Anonymous No.1122913]

>>1122902
>willing to put super metroid as #1 snes game
yes, my opinion at least.
heavily influenced by my metroid loving childhood

[Anonymous No.1123019]

>>1122052
>It's refusing to use your power ups at the risk of life just because some dude didn't say you could use them.

This is what made me the most mad.

[Anonymous No.1123038]

>>1122902
Super Metroid is towards the top of my list for favorite games ever. I just feel like everything from its design to its atmosphere is excellently handled.

Whether or not it beats Zelda is really a matter of preference, but just comparing SM and ALttP? I'd go with Metroid.

[Anonymous No.1123269]

>>1122902

It's my #1 game, period.

That said, it has its idiosyncrasies. Bomb everything that looks out-of-place, and don't feel bad about asking where to go after you get the High-Jump Boots.

[Anonymous No.1123271]

>>1120807

[Anonymous No.1123371]

Samus is not liable for Crocomire's Death. The fact that that animal was vulnerable to the lava even though it lived so dangerously close to it is its own fault. Furthermore, it only fell in due to the structural integrity of the bridge under its feet. Why wasn't the bridge built to support its weight? Why was Crocomire there in the first place?

There is no way to rationalize crocomire being relocated to this dangerous area without admitting he was placed there as a trap for Samus Aran. As such, any action she took against the monster was clearly self defense, and the fatality itself was due to Neglect on the part of the space pirates.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1123381]

>>1120990
She's also wiped out the X, Ing, and possibly the Leviathan (I haven't played Prime 3).

[Anonymous No.1123386]

>>1123371
Yeah, why was that person walking across a shaky bridge with physiology clearly incapable of surviving the landscape below? You shooting at him had nothing to do with his death whatsoever.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1123391]

>>1120807
No. It's a large animal and it caught her by surprise. Nobody would call you a murderer if you shot a bear that was eying you funny.

[Anonymous No.1123398]

yeah the planet was done for
and you save the little cute animals at the end so you balance the scales for shooting an eldritch horror with a plasma cannon

[Anonymous No.1123405]

>>1123398
See this is why nobody likes environmentalists. They say "MUH BIODIVERSITY" but in the end all they really care about is cute things.

[Legion of Anon No.1123406]

I like some of the discussion on here, and would like to relate my own personal theories(I know there's holes).

Consider that every other Metroid you come across(save for the mutated strains because of Phazon in Prime 1) only come in one form...except the ones on SR388. My theory is that the X provide some nutrient that enables this growth, which is why you never see a Metroid Queen again. The Omega Metroid in Fusion is iffy...but is it ever specified how long that Metroid was cruising through the station? Maybe it got lucky and found enough food without getting fucked up by the SA-X.

[Anonymous No.1123421]

Was it murder?

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1123438]

>>1123406
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think eating X is what causes metroids to mutate/evolve/whatever you want to call it.

They state in-game that the Federation was trying to create omega metroids, that was the whole point of the SR-388 space station. Near the end of the game you go through a lab that has glass tubes full of metroids at various stages of growth (excluding omega, obviously they're trying to build suspense). I think it's safe to say that omega metroid has been on the station since before Samus brought the X infection aboard. It must have Hulk'd its way out of containment when it smelled X.

[Anonymous No.1123443]

>>1122080

It's the complete rape and ruination of a once proud and independent character.

Has everyone seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4mhp-8sOc&list=PL68D8A30EE9F29A30&index=11

[Anonymous No.1123449]

>>1123371

>pretending Samus isn't a cold, nearly inhuman bitch

[Anonymous No.1123468]

>>1123449
>But she saved da baby metroid

[Anonymous No.1123472]

>>1123468

I said 'nearly'

[Anonymous No.1123502]

>>1123472
Touche, have another picture anon.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1123741]

>>1123406
Not sure about the other games, but I think the multi-stage metamorphosis is part of a metroid's natural growth.
All these "one form" you're referring to is the larval stage.
If I remember correctly the Space Pirates captured a few metroids and bombarded them with beta radiation to cause them to reproduce via fission, in order to amass an army.

Considering the fact that the amount of time between the theft from Ceres to the final confrontation in Tourian in Super Metroid was only a couple of hours at best, there would have been no time at all for them to grow past larval stage.
Plus all that radiation probably fucked with their growth ability anyway.

[Anonymous No.1123828]

>>1121372

Are you sure it was Sakamoto?

I thought all the Prime lore was this guy's fault.

[Anonymous No.1123837]

>>1123828
None of the stuff mentioned in that post came from Prime. The stuff about the Chozo creating the Metroids to deal with the X was from Fusion, which Sakamoto was behind, and Samus going to the Metroid world to wipe them from existence was from Metroid 2, which I think was Gunpei Yokoi but I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.1123841]

>>1121860
>#justice4sporespawn

[Anonymous No.1123935]

>>1121456
This makes me think of a Wild West vigilante that snaps when he sees Injuns.

[Anonymous No.1123937]

>>1121669
3 is one of the pinnacle wii games that I played.

[Anonymous No.1123949]

Is it still murder if there is no judge to condemn you?

[Anonymous No.1123954]

>>1123949
God will judge you.

[Anonymous No.1123956]

>>1123954
>implying God exists

[Anonymous No.1123958]

>>1123956

[Anonymous No.1124001]

>>1123443
I mostly felt Ridley was the point where I really felt that whomever was making this game didn't understand Samus. Like I said I read the manga and know what he was trying to do. But by that point she already fought him multiple times. And I was wrong she fought him 3 times. Once in 1 and twice in super (right in the beginning and in the middle). Hell in Prime when she fights Mech Ridley it shown Samus as a bit worried looking for cover but after that brief second she recovered and kicked his ass. So you can have your stone cold warrior worry for a second as long as she recovers and remember her training. Not have her a shivering little bitch.

[Anonymous No.1124210]

>>1123958
He'd look like a decent dude if he's shave that shit he calls hair off, got contacts, and worked out. But then, so would most people who are balding, ot think taking a photo from 5 feet is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.1124218]

>>1123468

[Anonymous No.1124235]

>>1123421

not /vr/

[Anonymous No.1124323]

>>1124001

Given her backstory, it's arguable that she doesn't even really have any response to human emotions at all, at least certainly not to that degree. She's definitely frighteningly cold and reserved most times.

[Anonymous No.1124414]

>>1124323
I actually really like Prime 3 because when you were on the ship everyone was in awe of just your present but also had that worry sound in their voices (could have been just my imagination). Like they know of her and know that if she wanted to could blow up the whole ship and wouldn't think of it for a second. I wouldn't say she has no emotions but I would say and she was train to hold back emotions. The only time I can think of when she ever really had time to actually relax a bit was in Prime 3. And in that nearly everyone around her was in awe of her and even acted a bit worried around her. Like if they looked at her funny she would snap their neck like a twig. I feel Prime 3 perfectly shown how she appears to others. She just frighteningly powerful who does things her way and no one really stand up to her.

[Anonymous No.1124668]

>>1123468
> That absurdly long neck

[Anonymous No.1124970]

>>1124668
She got a bird neck.
She was raised by birds.

[Anonymous No.1124971]

>>1124668
Her suit is so crazy, you'd have to have weird, space marine anatomy to make it work in some of its depictions.

[Anonymous No.1125031]

>>1121924
Zebesian are the species that look like mantises.

[Anonymous No.1125040]

>>1123949
The law determines murder. That's why killing people during war isn't considered 'murder' or wrong. Because it's legally sanctioned killing. A bunch of people agree it's okay to kill someone, it magically becomes okay. A bunch of people disagree with killing people, it magically becomes not okay.

>>1123958
gb2/reddit/

[Anonymous No.1125353]

>>1120807
Fun fact: He doesn´t attack you.He only starts fighting when shooting at him.

[Anonymous No.1125364]

>>1125353
really, I never realised that this was the topic of the entire thread

[Anonymous No.1125374]

>>1125364
He is just sitting there minding his own business until you shoot into his mouth.

[Anonymous No.1125609]

>>1125374

huh, never realized that

I guess they have him roar and claw at you to make you panic and get the fight started.

[Anonymous No.1126519]

>>1125374

Bullshit. You encounter him, he does his roar thing, tramples around a bit and then starts going after you whether you shoot or not.

[Anonymous No.1126521]

>>1126519
>and then starts going after you whether you shoot or not.

Nope

[Anonymous No.1126524]

>>1126521
Everyone who ever claimed this never had a video to back up their claims. Because IT'S NOT TRUE.

[Anonymous No.1126531]

>>1126524
Well I never saw a video either but tested it myself.

[Anonymous No.1126541]

>>1126531
post save

[Anonymous No.1126549]

>>1126541
> playing SNES games on PC

[Anonymous No.1126552]

>>1126549
>My dad works at Nintendo, I swear it's true!

[Anonymous No.1127749]

>>1126549
>higan
>not a perfect emulator
>being this much of a retro hipster
>yfw

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1128537]

>>1125040
Yep. Kinda scary to think that the only thing that keeps some people from killing each other is a popular consensus.

[Anonymous No.1128854]

>>1124668
her chin is up. She is looking upwards.

[Anonymous No.1128861]

>>1128537

Not true.
It's just that it's more convenient to have people working all around, and remember that if you kill a man you're going to have his family against you in such a society, and unless you're the guy from those spaghetti western movies it means you're dead.

The only endangered people in such a tribal society would be women, because as Morocco and such countries teach us when they don't have rights they get raped left and right because nobody gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.1128920]

>>1121309
How many distinct space pirate species are there?

Not counting unique creatures like Ridley and Craig, of course.

I can think of at least four:
"Zebesian" space pirates found in the Japanese games all have a pretty consistent look. Plantigrade feet, a beak-like face, spiky heads, big crab claws instead of hands. When they cry out it's an insect-like shriek.

Space pirates found on Tallon IV are pretty obviously a different species. Big bulky reptile-like creatures with digitigrade feet, dinosaur-like talons, and four fingers on each hand. Heads jut forward from their shoulders like a beast. Deep guttural voices. About as far from Zebesian physiology as you can get while still being a mostly humanoid alien.

Space pirates on Aether have a more insect-like appearance, with lobster claws like the Zebesians, but still have digitigrade feet with big claws like their Tallonian friends (from a technical standpoint it's obvious Retro just reskinned the Tallonians but w/e)

Then there are the kihunters, which most people don't even realize are space pirates. You'd have to read the manual to know that these giant mantis-like insects, who undergo metamorphosis from a caterpillar-like creature, are actually highly intelligent.

[Anonymous No.1128950]

>>1128861
>when they don't have rights they get raped left and right

Not entirely true. Muslim women who act "honorably" don't usually get raped (though this idea of "honor" is a pretty big problem in itself). If you try to grab any random woman wearing a burqa, her husband is probably going to stab you in the neck.

[Anonymous No.1129258]

>>1122902
Definetely, right after Earthbound, DKC2 and Terranigma.
Know your powerlevel.

[Anonymous No.1129281]

>>1120812
Fucking saved before it's gone.

[Anonymous No.1129308]

>>1124970
>Bird neck

BAWK BAWK CHICKEN HEAD

[Anonymous No.1129317]

>>1128950

I said Morocco because unmarried women there can be raped and it's perfectly legal if the man then asks them to marry him.
It's article 475 of their penal code.

[Anonymous No.1129934]

>>1128950

Nah just make friends with him and then he'll share all of her soft holes with you and give you a drink afterwards.

[Anonymous No.1129937]

>>1129281

Link for nigga who missed itt?

[Anonymous No.1130042]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksxX4ofQj3U

For anyone who wanted proof that he just stands there.

[Anonymous No.1130078]

>>1130042
shit. he doesn't even spit stuff at you?

[Anonymous No.1130085]

>>1130078
Nope. I fast-forwarded for a while to make sure, he just does the roar over and over.

[Anonymous No.1130115]

>>1130042

why do you sissies get your panties up in a bunch over killing something in a game about planet wide extermination

[Anonymous No.1130116]

>>1126519
>Cockatoomire

[Anonymous No.1130136]

>>1130115
Why are you taking this so seriously?

[Anonymous No.1130149]

>>1123371
It's not lava, it's acid.

[Anonymous No.1130294]

https://mega.co.nz/#!c4xjDQzA!GesPaz9819_4u1brLCY1UGeYXv4BOUxmuiher1zcF5Q

Here's a save if anyone wants to see for themselves.

[Anonymous No.1130342]

>>1130042
Damn, that Crocomire is a friendly fellow.

[Anonymous No.1131298]

>>1121796
Fusion contradicted Metroid II first, having the Omega Metroid be weak only to the Ice Beam in a hamfisted excuse to hold off absorbing the SA-X until the last minute.

[Anonymous No.1131306]

>>1122052
The Metroids you actually fight in the game are the control group. They didn't have the weakness to ice genetically modified out of them. The game explains this.

[Anonymous No.1131326]

>>1127749
>higan
Not ZSNES
Regardless, you're full of shit, and you damn well know it. This fucker here doesn't attack until you do, but Crocomire does.

[Anonymous No.1131439]

>>1131306

This, most people blindly hating on Other M's plot just didn't pay any attention to it. Still boggles me that people can't figure out who the Deleter was when the game drops every hint in the world.

[Anonymous No.1131460]

>>1122902
Super Metroid is one of the best games I've ever played. No nostalgia goggles, I played it in April.

my snes knowledge is pretty limited though, but any snes game I haven't heard of would have to be godly to displace Super as my top snes game.

[Anonymous No.1132904]

>>1130042
>>1130342
"Hello! Hello!"

He's making small talk. He's just trying to be your fucking friend.

[Anonymous No.1132976]

>>1131298
Contradicting only one game is a hell of a lot better than contradicting the entire series.

But I'll compromise: We'll make both Fusion and Other M non-canon; Adam never existed, and they were both gaiden games so the more linear gameplay is somewhat more excusable.

[Anonymous No.1133075]

>>1123502
>ics comic
>not ending in some weird rape fetish

[Anonymous No.1133107]

>>1130042

wha... does he advance forwards after you shoot him once? there must be a reason for the spike wall? i've just... i've never not killed crocomire.

fuck. well i guess his skeleton is the only magic material that can break through that wall anyway.

[Anonymous No.1133110]

>>1122902
>>1131460

would agree. i played it for the first time in 2009, on my friend's snes. he had never crossed the noob bridge before. i'll never forget the look in his eyes when i got to the next area, as he turned to look at me and say "you're balls deep in super metroid now."

[Anonymous No.1133132]

>>1133107
I just went and tested it, he actually only advances if you shoot him twice. If you shoot him just once he backs up a bit and continues roaring indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.1133304]

>>1132904
He screamed for help.He thought someone finally arrived to save him.

[Anonymous No.1134357]

>>1133304
Yeah, Crocomire's clearly not supposed to be there. Everything else in Norfair can waltz in and out of lava/acid all they want, but as soon as Crocomire touches it, his skin falls off. Samus's suit is more resistant than him. There's no way he would've surrounded himself with acid voluntarily.

[Anonymous No.1134365]

You're making me feel bad /vr/.
I was not ready for this.

I can kill innocent humans all the time in videogames, but if it's an innocent animal/creature?

Nope.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1134521]

>>1134357
Crocomire's room isn't superheated like most of Norfair, is it? I seem to remember messing around years ago, disabling upgrades in that room, and not taking damage from unequipping the Varia Suit.

>>1133132
What about that blitz tackle he does if you stop pushing him back? He won't do it because you never significantly pushed him back to begin with?

[Anonymous No.1136979]

>>1134521
Self-defence. Once you start shooting him, he realizes you're not there to rescue him.

[Anonymous No.1137303]

This was the best thread I've read on 4chan in forever.

[Anonymous No.1137320]

Why make Crocomire's death into such a big deal? Samus is murdering aggressive (and sometimes just docile) creatures from the moment she makes contact on the planet. What's so special about Crocomire besides the fact he's not working for mother brain? If anything his death is more justified, he's a fucking gargantuan predator thing.

[Anonymous No.1137321]

>>1131439
Agreed, also. Everyone complaining about Samus vs Ridley confuses me, too. I mean... the guy that massacred your family and your people, and if you killed a muthafucka twice already, and there he was AGAIN (because of the government agency you work for?) wouldn't you be scared, angry, and more than a little confused? I mean, this is the guy that traumatized you, and there he is, and why in the HELL did the government think it was a good idea to clone him and bring him back? It takes a second for all that to register. And then you kick his ass anyway. That was actually a pretty good fight. Fun, but a little too easy.

[Anonymous No.1137323]

>>1137321
sorry guys. unnecessary bump (x2) is sage not working for anyone else?

[Anonymous No.1137328]

>>1137320
>predator
What makes you think that? He lacks any normal predatory characteristics.

Eyes on the sides of the head can denote a prey animal accustomed to keeping track of its surroundings. Those long arms would be perfect for gathering food from high places, and those short stubby legs could never chase down something to kill and eat.

The acid spit is simply a defense mechanism as well. The poor thing is vomiting up its own fucking organs in hope that you'll just leave it alone.

[Anonymous No.1137327]

>>1137320
>predator

So we should go around killing lions and bears just because?
You insensitive fuck.

[Anonymous No.1137415]

>implying these aren't the most tragic enemies ;_;

[Anonymous No.1137443]

>>1137328
The only way to get out of there is to destroy it. It's regrettable, but stop stooping down to PETA fanatic status, it's completely fictional.

[Anonymous No.1137449]

>>1137328
>>1137443
i don't trust anything with 8 or more eyes.
i also don't trust a man with suspenders and a belt.
how can you trust a man who can't trust his own pants?

[Anonymous No.1137457]

Nice try faggots but it's obvious that Crocomire is simply a predator specialized on small slow prey that inhibits upper Norfair, using its mass and intimidation to overwhelm them. It howls at you, trying to get you to flee into the spike wall trap on the other side and only starts to fight when its usual methods of killing do not work. Maybe it even uses its tongue to lure small predatory prey right into its mouth - which is shaped like a trap.

[Anonymous No.1137471]

What makes you think it even belongs on Zebes? The whole room is set up as a gigantic death trap, from the locking door to the spike wall to the acid bath intimidating the creature to aggression. It was put there by the space pirates, most likely tortured and trained, expressly to kill unwanted guests.

The question you should be asking is: Was killing it merciful?

[Anonymous No.1137540]

>>1137457

Do those plants lure tourists into putting their dicks into them?

[Anonymous No.1137702]

You all just know it was wrong.
You bastards

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1137916]

>>1137471
Pretty much this. It's like some redneck who gets a pit bull just to beat the shit out of it and make a "badass" guard dog, and some innocent victim has to shoot the dog when it flips. Is it the Doug's fault? No, but it's not the shooter's fault either, it's the owner of the animal who decided its fate.

[Anonymous No.1137998]

>>1137328
I'd love to see some fanart of Crocomire peacefully walking around Brinstar, grabbing fruit from out of reach places which he shares with Etecoons, Dachora, and the other natives of Zebes.

[Anonymous No.1138040]

>>1130042
>>1132904
Fuck I feel bad now.

[Anonymous No.1138059]

>>1137998
"I hope these days last forever"

Cut to him burning to death in the lava with Samus looking over him.

[Anonymous No.1138129]

>>1137321

>defending other m

shit bait m8

[Anonymous No.1138131]

CROCOMIRE IS FRIEND TO ALL CHILDREN

[Anonymous No.1138674]

>>1138131
Crocomire is really neat!
He is filled with Croco-meat!
We're all melting Crocomire!

[Anonymous No.1139298]

>>1137540
You haven't lived until you felt that tingly sensation of plant enzymes trying to dissolve your throbbing penis

[Anonymous No.1140875]

>>1138059
I hope Crocomire is just a single member of a larger race of Crocomires and not just one of the Space Pirate's experiments.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1141741]

>flies to alien planet
>kills every man woman and child in sight
>later finds out they were victims of mind control and actually a peaceful race
>Fucks given: 0, now gimme my medal

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1143916]

>>1136979
I don't care if it's "self-defence" or not. I want to know exactly when the trigger for that is activated.

[Anonymous No.1143923]

>>1143916
Didn´t you read the fuckin thread?

[Anonymous No.1143925]

>>1137321
>and if you killed a muthafucka twice already,
and this is where it falls apart. If you've already killed Ridley twice then you know damn well he's capable of showing up a third time.
I think the biggest problem is the pants-on-head-retarded henshin/concentration retcon of the Power Suit. If that was a legitimate thing that was around since the conception of Metroid you damn well know we would have seen it during the fight against Mother Brain's second form in Super.

[Anonymous No.1143930]

>>1137415
That's a case of predation though. When you were playing, did you ever shoot these things when you were at full health and ammo? No, you did it to restock.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1143935]

>>1143923
Yes. There seems to be a bit of an unsure verdict on when his varying degrees of aggression are triggered.

[Anonymous No.1143942]

>>1143935
This is what happened when I tested it: shooting him once in the mouth will cause him to back up some, but he doesn't attack. He just does the roar over and over. Shooting him a second time will cause him to attack like normal, shooting fireballs, moving forward, taking swipes at you. He does the swipe when you first walk up, I'm not sure if getting hit by that triggers anything.

That's as much as I've done. Someone posted their save earlier in the thread, you should get it and test things yourself.

[Anonymous No.1144378]

boomp

[Anonymous No.1144483]

The last of its species, the Crocomire was a powerful and docile herbivore that lived in the greener parts of Norfair, a lush subterranean jungle enriched by the volcanic activity beneath it.

When the pirates came to Zebes, they saw Crocomire's potential as dumb muscle, and tried to train it as one of their war beasts. But they couldn't force Crocomire to obey them. Angered by the pirates' abuse of the planet's resources, Crocomire violently lashed out, crippling and killing any pirate who approached it.

Eventually the pirates gave up. Disappointed with the lack of results, they decided that training the Crocomire was an impractical waste of man-hours, and left it to rot in some random acid pit. If nothing else, it could at least deter intruders from trying to explore the caverns.

Now free from its tormenters but terrified by its hostile new environment, Crocomire could do nothing but hope someone would defeat the pirates and rescue it. With cloudy eyes blinded by the acid fumes and skin melting in the heat, Crocomire was slowly dying.

Shortly after, Crocomire heard footsteps in its cave. Was it a space pirate? No... This was something else. There was urgency in its movements, not the slow arrogant strut of a Zebesian conquerer. Was this the rescuer Crocomire had hoped for? Unable to speak any language, Crocomire could only hope that its desperate bellowing would be understood.

[Anonymous No.1144590]

>>1144483

fuck you anon you made me hurt

[Anonymous No.1144608]

>>1122902
It's only behind Yoshi's Island for me, and I have no trouble with anyone putting it No. 1.

[Anonymous No.1144651]

>>1128920
>Craig

This is now canon.

[Anonymous No.1144660]

>>1130342
contains ceslates

[Anonymous No.1144702]

>>1144483
>last of its species

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1145235]

>>1144483
>With cloudy eyes blinded by the acid fumes and skin melting in the heat, Crocomire was slowly dying.
>skin melting in the heat,
>the heat

I want you to try something here.
Go to Crocomire's lair, and unequip the Varia Suit.

[Anonymous No.1145253]

>>1145235
>if a genetically engineered superhuman with years of combat training can survive in that heat, so can Crocomire.
LOGIC!

[Anonymous No.1145278]

what about him

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1145298]

>>1145278
Federation trooper who got killed by the boss door.

[Anonymous No.1145317]

>>1144702
DAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.1145612]

>>1145253
What heat, though? There is no "heat" in the Crocomire room. In other parts of Norfair if you aren't wearing the Varia Suit you're going to be taking constant damage from the heat.
You don't take such damage in the Crocomire room if you remove the Varia Suit.
Therefore there is no extreme heat in the Crocomire room.

>actual logic

[Anonymous No.1146296]

>>1145298
what?

[Anonymous No.1146335]

The Ing were just trying to survive, and Samus wiped them out so she could get off the planet quicker.

[Anonymous No.1146336]

>>1145612
>being this autistic

Jesus, dude, it's obvious Norfair is supposed to be a pretty hot, dry place. It looks and sounds like a hostile volcanic furnace, even though not every room is hot enough to harm Samus.

Keep in mind: Samus is always wearing armor. Crocomire isn't.

[Anonymous No.1146345]

>>1146335
>slaughtering the Luminoth
>Ing were just trying to survive

[Anonymous No.1146346]

>>1137303
Try browsing slow boards an youll realize how much of a newfig you are

[Anonymous No.1146351]

>>1146346
kek

[Anonymous No.1146360]

>>1146345
>Luminoth kill Ing
>Ing kill Luminoth

Samus only sided with the luminoth because she heard their side of the story first.

I really never liked Metroid Prime 2. It feels too Zelda-y, with temples and keys and "collect ye divine energy." Plus the derpy dark world, and the black aliens being evil because they're black.

[Anonymous No.1146365]

>>1146345
It wasn't one-sided. U-Mos was trying to wipe out the Ing using the Luminoth power plants.

[Anonymous No.1146380]

>>1146360
>>1146365
The Ing drew first blood when they discovered portals to Light Aether and invaded, nearly wiping out the once peaceful race.

[Anonymous No.1146387]

>>1146380
Aether's split was harmful to life on both sides of the divide. The Luminoth could retreat into their stasis shelters, but the Ing had no such technology. They had to act, or they would die out.

[Anonymous No.1146391]

>>1146380
>The Ing drew first blood
Yeah... According to the luminoth.

Every nation at war claims the other side started it. Look at Jews and Muslims in the middle east, for example.

[Anonymous No.1146404]

>>1146391
Series canon says the Ing struck first.

[Anonymous No.1146429]

>>1146404
What canon?

[Anonymous No.1146649]

>>1146296
I think the door to that boss shoots at you, and has to be defeated with a Super Missile.

[Anonymous No.1148847]

>>1120807
If it hadn't been rushed you would have found out in Zero Mission that it was an attempt at revenge that failed. Notice how "melty" he is in Super compared to this sprite?

[Anonymous No.1149040]

>>1121649

I only played the first Prime, it was AMAZINGLY good considering that it was a jumping-focused FPS on a console... but it's still not as good as Super Metroid (and, slightly related to the topic of this thread, the inclusion of looooooooore is the worst thing about it)

the other bad thing about it is that games like Zelda and Metroid rely in part on discovery of hidden paths, and in 3D it's a lot harder to hide paths than it is in a 2D tile world; if this bothered you in Ocarina of Time then it'll bother you again here (but people mostly loooooved Ocarina of Time so I suppose it probably didn't bother you there)

it's definitely a solid, well made game so play it if you want but... skip it if you want

[Anonymous No.1149084]

>>1148847

>says hello to you, waves, bellows for help, doesn't attack
>revenge

[Anonymous No.1149110]

>>1149084
>sperging continues

[Anonymous No.1149148]

>>1149110

>dealing with obvious facts
>sperging

It's amazing how hard it is for people to deal with this.

[Anonymous No.1150749]

>>1149148
What I'm saying is, is in Super, he was trying to get revenge for whatever Samus did to him in the cut scenario in ZM (that made his skin melty:possible first acid bath?), but failed.

[Anonymous No.1150756]

>>1149148
>Obvious facts
>Something you came up with due to lack of information

>Sperging continues

[Anonymous No.1150761]

>>1150749
But he literally does nothing. He stands around until you attack.

[Anonymous No.1150768]

>>1150756

>pretending everything I said about his behavior isn't true

Do you know what 'revenge' means?

[Anonymous No.1150784]

>>1148847
where is his tail?

[Anonymous No.1150807]

What's with all the Metroid threads lately? Fuck off, you don't belong here, no one cares about your pseudo dungeon crawler mess of a dead franchise.

[Anonymous No.1150809]

>>1150784
probably up his ass!

[Anonymous No.1150825]

>>1148847

Not the same creature, in your pic it has 4 legs, in Super it has 2 legs.

[Anonymous No.1150830]

>>1123443
Here's a more in-depth look into how this game falls apart in every conceivable aspect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ww_NwjC0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PNE3KtxHCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNqBWMGUu_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCWfv6D3Ra0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zygWqkf4gB0

[Anonymous No.1150831]

>>1150825
check again, dumbass. The super version's arm is blocking the front legs.

[Anonymous No.1150872]

>>1150830
>splices in my little pony clips any chance he can
never seen so much closet brony seepage

[Anonymous No.1150884]

>>1150872
>putting a few extremely brief pony clips in the beginning of his hour long analysis = splicing in my little pony clips any chance he can
Please go back to /v/ or whatever shit hole you crawled out of, scumbag.

[Anonymous No.1150885]

>>1150830

I think there's too much sperging in this for me.

[Anonymous No.1150890]

>>1150884
uh-oh the closet brony is mad

[Anonymous No.1150891]

>>1150885
You're in a thread discussing whether killing a video game boss is murder. What do you mean it's too much sperging?

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1150892]

>>1148847
The Zero Mission version of Crocomire looks like this guy.

[Anonymous No.1150897]

>>1150891

It's better now I'm past the pony shit and uncomfortable unfunny reference jokes.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1150917]

>>1150897
>it's better

Would you say... twenty percent cooler?

[Anonymous No.1150928]

>>1150768
There's no flat evidence to either case, therefore anyone trying to describe the motivation of his behavior is only speculating.

He rawrs and flails, and is an immediate obstacle to the completion of your mission. These are the facts.

[Anonymous No.1150930]

>>1150830

Samus not being able to use abilities until her daddy boyfriend says she can pisses me the fuck off.

Who the fuck is Adam Malkovitch anyway? Has he saved the universe multiple times? He's just some pathetic commanding officer in a military. I'm okay with Samus having a relationship with him and even fondness for him, but she shouldn't be letting him tell her what to do. Not at that level.

[Anonymous No.1150935]

>>1150928

I'm not saying you shouldn't kill him when you play the game or anything, but the evidence is pretty solid that he doesn't want to hurt you. You're just wrong about that. It just means Samus is a cold, scary bitch. Barely even human, really.

[Anonymous No.1150940]

>>1150935
>You're just wrong about that.
You're confusing me with someone else. I have no stance on the matter. He's a boss and needs to doe to complete the game. That's it.

[Anonymous No.1150941]

>>1150940
>doe
I know someone is going to sperg out over that typo.

[Anonymous No.1150943]

>>1150940

I agree. Is anyone actually claiming you should stop playing the game at this point? I certainly hope not. Haven't heard anyone say that.

But there's still pretty unassailable evidence that Crocomire is friendly.

[Anonymous No.1150959]

>>1150943

>friendly

>inexplicably has the ability to fire masses of destructive energy out of his mouth, like so many other residents of this biological terror planet

its ok to eat cows and kill snakes, but when an obvious threat to your own life appears you need to join greenpeace

lets turn this into a real argument because you seem super dumb

[Anonymous No.1150960]

>>1150940
>Cocomire needs to die to complete the game
I know what you're saying but Crocomire is like the most "optional" boss in this game. You don't need to kill him.

[Anonymous No.1150957]

>>1150943
Or at least nonhostile to start. I wouldn't automatically assume friendly. His actions may be a "Get away from me I'm big and scary." type of behavior.

[Anonymous No.1150969]

>>1150959

But he doesn't try to hurt you.

[Anonymous No.1150972]

>>1150957

I could accept that.

[Anonymous No.1150976]

its called an encounter script

you know these things are just lines of code right

he is obviously hostile

the boss music starts playing and both doors lock, thats like getting raped in an alley

"Sorry honey they had us boxed in this alley, I could have sworn they were just going to make chit chat, is your vagina ok?"

[Anonymous No.1150985]

>>1150976

More like getting trapped in a box with someone who repeatedly says hello. You're creating a hostile intention that isn't there.

[Anonymous No.1151000]

>>1150985
or trapped in a box with someone capable and equipped to kill you who stands there yelling "Stay away from me" while flailing a weapon.

Nonhostile is not friendly.

[Anonymous No.1151013]

>>1150830

>this long-ass voice acting montage

Oh my fucking god, I get it.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1151017]

>>1150976
If only real life had musical cues to tell us when something bad is about to happen. :/

[Anonymous No.1151062]

What if when Crocomire breaks down the wall, he was doing that to let Samus escape and defeat the Space Pirates because he knew they were to blame for setting up the situation?

[Anonymous No.1151079]

Might get some flak for this, but I am saying, this would be a interesting design choice for "a" Metroid game.

I wouldn't mind it taking on some more of the RPG aspects like the Castlevania games have done.

Though as I type that. Metroid is so solid cause it is based on player skill and preset numbers rather than a Castlevania, which is structured around loot drops.

It'd be a careful balancing act, but it'd like to see a attempt.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1151139]

>>1151062
What if when he was charging at you, he was actually trying to break the wall and you just happened to be in the way?

[Anonymous No.1151143]

>>1151079
>Might get some flak for this
>I wouldn't mind it taking on some more of the RPG aspects like the Castlevania games have done.
Wow, yes, you're right. Even the idea is making me angry.

[Anonymous No.1151196]

This thread just reminds me how when someone looks dangerous, even a friendly gesture can be interpreted as a threat.

[Anonymous No.1152142]

All he wanted to is help Metroid get through the wall, he even died to do that. Most cruel robot ever ;_;

[Anonymous No.1152165]

>>1151079

If by RPG aspects you mean grindan and equipment/item drops than I don't think that would work for the reward of exploration in Metroid games. Maybe if used for a side-quest or mini-game it would be nice if done right. But leveling up and hunting rare drops just wouldn't work for Metroid.

[Anonymous No.1152195]

>>1151079

It's a bad idea because Metroid isn't made so you have to kill each and every monster in every area, and having XP would force you to do exactly that.

[Anonymous No.1153375]

>>1151079
That's a great idea. Except replace "RPG elements" with "exploration" and "loot drops" with "searching for powerups"

But seriously, a good Metroid remake would take advantage of procedural dungeons to keep the exploration theme fresh.

[Anonymous No.1153395]

>>1151196
>background checks abolished
>guy has access to military equipment
>guy has clearance as military personnel

It's like they're not even trying anymore.

[Anonymous No.1153395,1]

I google'd for "red croco ni**er" and found this thread, so … how do I beat him?
Don't ban, pls.