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Why there is so much hate about water stages in Sonic games? Personally I find them a nice change from the fast action to slow one, struggling to get out of the water before the time runs out. This adds some nice suspense, expecially when you hear the "Running out of air" theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcDwfvi5-LE
And of course let's not forget how awesome is Hydrocity Zone theme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K1rV9kFs6I

>> No.1094410

i hate them because theyre a pain, i love them because theyre challenging. i mean if you're playing a good game of sonic youre going fast trying to be all slick like its just a breeze, the water levels are like NOPE, FUCK YOU HAHAHA SHOULDA WENT SLOWER. its great but annoying in a GOOD way, if nothing about a game is making you angry it's not good and is too easy....i stand by this.

>> No.1094418

Some of us rented or borrowed (myself included) the games and didn't know anything about the air bubbles. It probably doesn't help that Chemical Plant Zone is so early in Sonic. Fun Fact: Chemical Plant was planned as Death Egg Zone and as one of the final zones.

>> No.1094419

>>1094418
*Sonic 2

>> No.1094425

>>1094418
Nah, the graphics of it were planned as such, not the level itself.

>> No.1094428

>>1094418
i can understand that, but personally i didnt have booklets for any of my genesis games as they were all handed down to me by people who threw them away. i mean ya kinda figure theres a way to survive when clearly an entire level was constructed down there....if you were supposed to just die in the water they wouldn'ta built a whole part of a stage complete with rings, enemies and power ups.

>> No.1094427
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>>1094410
OP here. Personally I never found water stages annoying or difficult.

>> No.1094431

He moves so fucking slow in water I get frustrated and go play a good game

>> No.1094434

>>1094418
I'm glad they kept it early, I don't get why Chemical Plant is considered so hard, literally all you have to do is slow down and time your jumps. The only challenge is you have to leave the typical Sonic game mindset for a bit.

Plus it has the best song in the game. Well, that or Mystic Cave Zone.

>> No.1094435

>>1094427
yeah well you had more patience than i, i still beat them but it was annoying cause im like man...i just want to run through shit. then i fell into the water and am forced to move around in slow motion, im sure sonic hated it too : (

>> No.1094437

>>1094431
>play a good game
you mean an easy game, if you were any good at the game you would easily avoid falling in the water. it's one thing to say it annoyed you but to complain you get punished in a game for playing badly is just asinine

>> No.1094458

>>1094425
Wasn't there also originally supposed to be a Holocaust Zone or something?

>> No.1094513

The sound it makes while running out of air freaks me out

>> No.1094514

>>1094397

I admire how you post asking what people disliked about the water stages in Sonic, then use an image blatantly highlighting the general problem with some of the longer stages.

Depending upon RNG for basic survival is frustrating.

>> No.1094515

>>1094514
Except air bubbles came out in a repeating pattern rather than randomly.

>> No.1094517

>>1094515

And then Tails accidently takes the one you were waiting for.

>> No.1094523

>>1094458
Genocide Zone.

>> No.1094524

>>1094458
Genocide Zone. Apparently they never looked up the meaning of the word.

>> No.1094538

>>1094397
Sanic 1 is poorly designed.

Sanic 2 was a bit better, but still had banal level design and was short.

Sanic 3&K was perfection, though.

>> No.1094546

>>1094515
They come out too slowly.

>> No.1094584

>>1094524
Considering that the level looked something like a blazing city, I'm sure they knew what Genocide meant.

>> No.1094586

How are the water stages "slow"?
Hydrocity Zone is one of the fastest, most streamlined zones in S3.

>> No.1094604

>>1094584
I'm sure most of /vr/ knows this but it became the fourth(?) stage in sonic spinball

most of the assets were borrowed for it, just seems like it was going to be a industrial level or something

>> No.1094640

>>1094538
>Sonic 1
>poorly designed
In what way? The levels have perfect flow, in such a way that they don't feel gimmicky or themed as they often do in 3&K.

>> No.1094998
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>>1094586
That's mostly because you don't have to interact with it a whole lot.
Except for the start of the stage all the water zones are designed such that you're always going to enter them with enough momentum to either hydroplane over it or simply power on through it.

>> No.1095015

>>1094418
Didn't you drown faster in mega mack too?

>> No.1095061

>>1094397
Cause that blue fuckstain can't swim! Just something agonizing about listening to that countdown to drowning while being slowed down a bit.

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1095691

I like water levels on Tomb Raider series

And you know what's worst than water levels in general? Land levels on water games like Ecco 2.
Now that's a fucked up turn of events

>> No.1095714

>>1094397
Labyrinth Zone gets so fucking FRUSTRATING mainly in the 3rd act where you have to beat or at least follow Robotnik through obstacles and the water is rising, eventually enveloping you making it hard as fuck to navigate that passage. I really don't remember hating it that much as a kid, but playing through the re-release lately I'm stuck on Robotnik and it makes me want to smash something.

Sonic 2 water stages were never a huge deal, nowhere near as maddening as Labyrinth.

>>1094434
All the fucking music in sonic 2 is great
I personally love the Hill Top Zone song, but that's just me.

>>1094538
I usually avoid sonic threads due to idiotic posts like these

>> No.1095740

>>1094584
Genocide just sounds like a really cool word to the Japanese, that's why you got that dude from One Punch Man and that doll from Super Mario RPG.

I mean, if you've ever watched an anime opening you should know how firm the Japanese grasp of the English language is.

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>>1094397
>I find them a nice change from the fast action to slow one
That's why.

Though to be honest I never had a problem with them either. Outside of Labyrinth Zone and Tidal Tempest, the underwater sections are usually either optional or still fast-paced.

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>>1094434
>Plus it has the best song in the game

You did not just suggest another song over Aquatic Ruin Zone.

>> No.1095938
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1095938

>mfw Tails steals my fucking air bubble

>> No.1096341

As a kid I always wanted a level that's basically 90% of water and you have to keep the speed to continue to run on it. Kinda like that one level in Unleashed.

But the water levels like the ones we got always frustrated me because of how slow and OPPOSITE they are of what I wanted them to be.

>> No.1096391

>>1094517
it's not an accident

>> No.1096402

Hydrocity Zone is actually my favorite sonic zone ever, and Aquatic Ruin is great too. Really the only one that feels like 'fuck, I hate water levels' is Labyrinth Zone.
>>1094418
>owned a genesis
>rented Sonic games
That's like owning a N64 and renting SM64 and OoT instead of just buying them

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>>1094397
At least on the genesis games, the only ragetastic water levels As a child, remembering the first times playing were the Sonic 1 Labyrinth zone stages and Scrap Brain zone 3.
The rest of water levels on the Genesis era Sonic games had at least one path above water or you went through it too fast to even hear the drowning music.

>> No.1096496

>>1094584
>inb4 genocide city shitstorm

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>>1094410
>not being faster than the oxygen timer

>> No.1096631

>>1096478
Hydrocity was comfy as hell.

>> No.1097323

>>1095740
Seriously, what's with random English words in every Japanese song?

Mune wo pachi pachi suru hodo genki-dama SPARKLING

>> No.1097375

>>1097323
FLY HIGH

>> No.1097401

>>1097323
The Japanese LOVE English words.

>> No.1099672

>>1097323
>>1097401
Japanese folks seem to love English and German a lot.

>> No.1099682

>>1094584
>>1094524
>>1094458
>>1094604
>>1095740
Whatever pictures of a blazing city there may be are likely mockups made by someone on the internet. The name "Genocide City" was a prototype name chosen by a Japanese guy who didn't realize how dark of a word it actually is in English. He just wanted a cool, tough, and intimidating zone name. The name was eventually changed to "Cyber City," then the stage was made into the third act of Metropolis, and art assets made for Cyber City were taken by Sega Technical Institute and put in Sonic Spinball.

This article explains it fully:
http://info.sonicretro.org/Genocide_City

>> No.1099737

>>1094418
>Fun Fact: Chemical Plant was planned as Death Egg Zone and as one of the final zones.

It was never considered that. They wanted a scary machine final level for which they reused Chemical Plant assets, but it never made it into a complete zone. They asked their translator to do a very scary title and that's how they ended up with Genocide City (which does sound kickass).
What they had complete of the zone eventually made it into Sonic Spinball as The Machine, along with some of the Hidden Palace designs in Toxic Caves.
Both Genocide City and Hidden Palace were designed by the americans in the team.

>> No.1101925

>>1094418
>the games and didn't know anything about the air bubbles.

The music changed to let you know. You let out air bubbles. There was a countdown. It's fucking water. YOU DROWNED.

You have to be fucking retarded to not understand what's going on and that you need to pick up air bubbles. You have to be fucking braindead to not understand the concept after the first time you die.

You do not need a manual to figure that shit out at all. It was fucking obvious. Zero excuse.

>> No.1101995

I love the Labyrinth zone in the Master System version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QtraXaQX0

>> No.1102014

>>1101925
what, do you live in toon town? why would anyone be like "oh yeah i'll just stick my face in a bubble to breathe, like a rational hedgehog" by default

>> No.1102108

>>1102014
bubbles contain air. you must have been a special child

>> No.1102140

>>1102014
i dont know about him, but i sure do.

>> No.1102850

>>1102014
Breathing from a stream of bubbles is difficult, but certainly possible underwater. It's actually required for some SCUBA certifications.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9sS_LpwoY