/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10887307]

Is there any reason at all to play this instead of FireRed on GBA?

[Anonymous No.10887310]

>>10887307
Modern Pokemon hasn't really changed since GBA / Gen 3, so the 1st and 2nd gen GB games feel way different and are worth playing in their own right imho

[Anonymous No.10887312]

better music

[Anonymous No.10887316]

>>10887312
This is a great point I didn't even think about

[Anonymous No.10887317]

>>10887307
soul

[Anonymous No.10887321]

>>10887307
to use your team on pokemon stadium 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.10887350]

>>10887321
This is a huge reason.

[Anonymous No.10887370]

Different glitches.

[Anonymous No.10887383]

>>10887370
this, Missigno and mew glitch are always fun

[Anonymous No.10887384]

>>10887307
- AESTHETICS
- MUSIC
- no gender and nature bloat
- the other gens including their pig disgusting pokemon dont exist in universe
- no teachy tv handholding cringe
- no romhack fanfiction-tier filler islands
- less censorship
- loads of little things that are too numerous to point out like the remakes giving giovanni rhyhorn instead of rhydon, make the fossils you regenerate level 5 instead of level 30(good luck evolving your fossil bro when you're already by the 7th gym), the iconically tough rocket with a level 16 raticate in mt. moon removed, etc etc.

fuck the shitmakes

[Anonymous No.10887401]

This should be enough reason for you to realize how beyond absolute garbage the remakes are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJQopRuH1E

https://youtu.be/SE4sz2lnTpU?feature=shared&t=8

MAKE
REMAKES
ILLEGAL

[Anonymous No.10887458]

>>10887307
As someone who thinks base RBY is nearly unplayable, FRLG are insultingly bad as remakes.
You'd get a better enjoyment out of kanto by simply using a hex editor and give every move their gen 2 buffs (rock throw, Karate chop and wing attack specifically).

[Anonymous No.10887490]

>>10887310
I remember I used my first master ball on a krabby in seafoam island. I do not remember if I was full of regret but I do remember I did it.

[Anonymous No.10887635]

>>10887307
it's basically the same game to an excessive point where you can't use mons like crobat because he was introduced in gen 2. moves are better (except tms) but music is worse and magnemite/ton is now part steel, also there's some postgame but it's kinda lame. they really picked up the slack in heartgold/soulsilver though, one of the best remakes out there.

[Anonymous No.10887656]

>>10887635
>heartgold/soulsilver
sucks

[Anonymous No.10887665]

Why has no one mentioned Pokemon Stadium and Gen 2 interactivity yet

[Anonymous No.10887716]

>>10887665
i did :( >>10887321

[Anonymous No.10887721]

>>10887656
Cope.

[Anonymous No.10887747]

>>10887312
There's a mod for that though to be fair

[Anonymous No.10887809]

>>10887312
Aside the champion theme, which still gives me goosebumps, this is entirely true

[Anonymous No.10887820]

>>10887384
Both sprites are unironicly uglier than the promotional art

[Anonymous No.10887831]

>>10887401
Remakes will stop being needed until sequels and new ideas being shit

[Anonymous No.10887834]

>>10887721
Arrest

[Anonymous No.10887840]

>>10887401
Remakes will stop being needed until the sequels and new ideas stop being total shit.

[Anonymous No.10887847]

>>10887747
>though
'beit or 'ever?

[Anonymous No.10887851]

>>10887847
thougheverbeit, perchance

[Anonymous No.10887858]

>>10887834
>cool double battle with lance
>admins actually have unique names/designs
seems like an improvement to me

[Anonymous No.10887864]

>called soulsilver
>removes the little soul gen 2 had

[Anonymous No.10887881]

>>10887656
in what way?

[Anonymous No.10887901]

>>10887864
I agree that left looks better but you sound like an obnoxious kid.

[Anonymous No.10887909]

>>10887901
>you sound like an obnoxious kid.
we're adults(hopefully) talking about fucking pokemon

[Anonymous No.10887910]

>>10887881
I would never willingly converse with nintendron ds zoomers

[Anonymous No.10887916]

[Anonymous No.10887924]

>>10887307
gen 1 was great for the time but really lacking in areas. you're better off playing a gen 2 rom hack that includes gen 1 like crystal clear or something

[Anonymous No.10887940]

>>10887924
die

[Anonymous No.10888004]

>10887307
Yeah.
Moves with 100% accuracy have a 1/256 chance of missing which should have stayed a feature and not considered a bug.

If you need muh color play the full color hack, it’s based.

[Anonymous No.10888019]

>>10887307
The only reason to play FireRed over the original Red is if you're living in 2004 and want to revisit Red (or if you want to transfer Gen 1 Pokemon to Pokemon Colosseum or to Ruby or Sapphire). Literally no other reason, outside of being underage.

[Anonymous No.10888026]

>>10887924
Crystal Clear is made by and for literal faggots. Go back.

[Anonymous No.10888030]

>>10887307
The graphic are unironically far worse in FRLG.

[Anonymous No.10888091]

>>10888026
i dont even know if that was the name of it. the point was about gen 2 having a shit ton of new things over gen 1 that even fire red adopts, and there are great rom hacks that add all pokemon as catchable, let you do events etc. i had a blast with whatever one i played and i'm a gewunner.

[Anonymous No.10888345]

>>10887312
Nobody cares about the music

[Anonymous No.10888365]

>>10888345
what do they care about?

[Anonymous No.10888428]

It's the better game. Blue of course is better than Red.

[Anonymous No.10888441]

>>10887307
fun glitches

[Anonymous No.10888696]

>>10887834
I believe this was the first mainline game without the original english translator, yikes

[Anonymous No.10888838]

natures are gay and i think the singular special stat is part of gen 1's identity, for better and worse. lot of other things people said here are good reasons too.

[Anonymous No.10888869]

>>10887909
>Gary: me
>Train wall: your mom

[Anonymous No.10888895]

>>10887307
You can really break it and on GBA you can swap the color pallets

[Anonymous No.10888961]

>>10888869
That's not gary in the picture, you ignorant RAT!

[Anonymous No.10888982]

i played both, and i think they're both good. fire-red, with its many gameplay improvement it's one of the best pokemon games, but the original still have a peculiar charm. if i had to recomend one i'll say fire-red, but it doesnt make the original irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10889095]

>>10888345
I care about music

[Anonymous No.10889156]

"Remakes don't replace the originals" they said.

[Anonymous No.10889341]

I never thought about it before but I do fucking loathe natures
Just like a 90% chance a pokemon you caught is ruined, why would you add that

[Anonymous No.10889342]

>>10889341
Yeah, natures are shit.

[Anonymous No.10889354]

>>10889341
i think it's an attempt to make each mon more "unique" so not every one is the same. and i get what they were going for but it just adds more tedium.

[Anonymous No.10889835]

>>10887384
>>10888838
>>10889341
>>10889342
Having a bad nature is not really different than having bad DVs in the first 2 generations.

[Anonymous No.10889895]

>>10887307
FireRed is a shameful cashgrab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcLKCGGG340

[Anonymous No.10889965]

>>10889895
I refuse to believe that you're actually upset about them replacing a short insignificant pier with a short insignificant peninsula.

[Anonymous No.10889968]

>>10887307
Yeah, it's better.

[Anonymous No.10889975]

>>10887401
They sure did like trumpets in gen3 for some reason.

[Anonymous No.10889978]

>>10887656
Based. Crystal is the definitive version of the gen 2 games, fuck remakes.

[Anonymous No.10889993]

>>10887307
Some of the bugs are fun to exploit. The special stat being both offense and defense makes some pokemon like Chansey very interesting to use. The balance is also all over the place, with psychic types being busted.

[Anonymous No.10889998]

>>10889965
Shows a lack of attention to detail/lack of giving a shit.

[Anonymous No.10890002]

>>10889965
>the quality of the game doesnt matter, the only thing that matters is that its newer so buy it

[Anonymous No.10890006]

>>10889341
They don't matter in the main game. Just click your most powerful move and make things go boom.

[Anonymous No.10890057]

>>10888428
nobody told the doorman what giovanni does for a living cuz he'd snitch

[Anonymous No.10890094]

>>10887656
i played gsc just to see what boomers were raving about. the gyms were empty, the dungeons were nothing, kanto was empty and the game was even more ridiculously easy, i beat red first try with no damage it was that bad. hgss is better in every way

[Anonymous No.10890105]

>>10889341
Pokemon became more and more about the grind, compare this guy's dialogue to Karen's from G/S/C

[Anonymous No.10890110]

>>10890105

[Anonymous No.10890125]

>>10887834
>>10887864
they also censored dialogue like that of the lecherous old man outside of Erika's gym
I can't imagine wanting to play pokemon remakes unless you're a zoomer who thinks he NEEDS the feature bloat that Masuda brought to the series from Gen 3 on

[Anonymous No.10890140]

>>10887321
Thread should have ended here.

[Anonymous No.10890161]

>>10889354
Should really not just be another stat mod beyond IVs

[Anonymous No.10890163]

>>10890094
>no damage
Obvious lie

[Anonymous No.10890169]

>>10890161
DVs were more than enough, IVs doubled the potential stat spread

[Anonymous No.10890175]

>>10887310
>Modern Pokemon hasn't really changed since GBA / Gen 3
90% of the pokemon fandom's existence is crying about much the series has changed since then

[Anonymous No.10890195]

>>10890175
You're not wrong, but that doesn't mean they're actually right. GF has added one-game gimmicks, but the core mechanics are virtually unchanged since the "reboot" that was Gen 3. If anything, it's better now because you don't EV training isn't a fucking nightmare anymore. Anyway not retro blah blah, I replayed Red and Silver recently and had a really enjoyable time.

[Anonymous No.10890220]

>>10887310
>ignores the major change in Gen 4

[Anonymous No.10890267]

>>10887384
>gender

[Anonymous No.10890270]

[Anonymous No.10890297]

>>10890163
pikachu kept using charm for no reason and i used x items until typhlosion one shot all of red's mons

[Anonymous No.10890451]

>>10889998
>>10890002
Yet the lab and the mansion actually looking different from a regular building isn't worth praise?

[Anonymous No.10890481]

>>10890451
the mansion looks ok, the sliding glass door aesthetic is ugly though and colorful childish artstyle of the remake is generally a downgrade

[Anonymous No.10890513]

>>10890125
does it really matter though
sure that guy was kinda funny but it's not like i enjoyed the game because some guy was being gross

[Anonymous No.10890524]

>>10890513
>does censorship matter
Yes, always. That's far from the only example of altered dialogue, just one of the more talked-about ones.

[Anonymous No.10890629]

>>10890524
I didn't care when I was 10 and I still don't care. Move on with your life.

[Anonymous No.10890672]

>>10887747
Can you source me me sir?

[Anonymous No.10890684]

>>10887310
Competitive mon has vastly changed since Gen 3

[Anonymous No.10890698]

>>10890629
Your lack of standards and willingness to be a consoomer is irrelevant. The remakes are shit and there's no good reason to play them over the original. All they added was mechanics bloat, they ruined the dialogue, ruined the "technology encroaching on nature" theme that Tajiri put into place by making every city in the middle of a forest, it was shit.

[Anonymous No.10890702]

>>10890270
The pastel color palette from SGB is so fucking ludo.

[Anonymous No.10890730]

>>10890698
I've been arguing for playing Gen 1 over the remakes this whole time, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10890753]

>>10890730
Oh, my mistake, I must have overlooked your thread ID, retardo. Next time don't defend shitty decisions to change things around in the remake by passing them off as irrelevant and you won't come off as a shill.

[Anonymous No.10890820]

>>10890698
how is making gyms more than empty hallways "bloat"?? retard

[Anonymous No.10891049]

>>10887307
No. And I say that as Pokemon fan since Gen 1. Same goes for Pokemon Heart/Gold/Crystal: The DS remakes are superior.

[Anonymous No.10891518]

>>10889998
>>10890002
So that's all you could come up with then? Okay. Well I went back and looked at your comparison pic again, because I wasn't sure what you were even pointing out with the number 2 and the dot underneath it the first time around. Now that I've seen your responses though, I think I finally get what you're trying to point out.
Aside from the pier to land thing, you're pointing out how the rocks don't go in a straight line and than there's a 1 square dip at the edge now. These are your complaints about the remakes. When people asked why the remakes might be worse, this is what you put forth as your big bout of evidence. Which is really telling everyone else that you have no legitimate complaints against the games. No sane person who has ever played both versions of the games has ever been bothered by that 1 square being water instead of land, or that the weird poles have been replaced by natural looking rocks, or that the rocks aren't going in a completely straight line anymore.
Now look, I know your first instinct is going to be to fire back about how this somehow matters and changes the whole meaning of the game and to insult me while you do it, but I need you to stop, look at your own comparison picture again, and ask yourself, not just why you thought it mattered, but why you ever thought it mattered to anyone else. You are the only person who has ever cared about that block. You should really try to figure out why and then do something about it.

[Anonymous No.10891572]

>>10888961
>you ignorant RAT!
>Rat
>Raticate
>Eraticated

Don't remind me... ;_;

[Anonymous No.10891591]

>>10887312
i wish there was a way to play FireRed with the better music

[Anonymous No.10891638]

>>10890753
I didn't defend anything in the remake, I was talking about the localization of Gen 1. Furthermore, localization decisions made for a video game in the mid 90s have had no material impact on my life. Finally, you don't appear to know what "shill" means, so you may want to choose a different word going forward.

[Anonymous No.10891650]

>>10891591
Try the Pokemon Thorwback hack. It gives you a GB Sounds item from the start that restores the Game Boy-era music, among other efforts to revert elements back to how they were in Gen1.

[Anonymous No.10891865]

>>10887307
Fire red and leaf green are soulless remakes. I guess they’re worth a try if you’ve already beat red or blue and yellow.

[Anonymous No.10891868]

>>10887307
pokemon stadium!

[Anonymous No.10891871]

>>10887307
If you never played the original you should absolutely not play the remake first

[Anonymous No.10891878]

>>10888345
Pokemon games have always been known for having good music

[Anonymous No.10891880]

>>10887881
I hated how railroaded you were on the whole Lugia thing. Before you captured it if you wanted or not, but in the remakes there is a whole long story with cutscenes and all and you HAVE to capture it.
I liked how the originals you were going in this adventure on your own exploring whatever part you wanted, it was quite the open game. But in the remakes they tried adding story parts to make it more grandiose and made it more tedious.

[Anonymous No.10891891]

>>10887307
This is /vr/ you HAVE to play the original. The game that started it all.

[Anonymous No.10892038]

>>10891518
>the quality of the game doesn't matter. Stop caring. Noone cares about the game quality retard you need to stop. Please stop caring buy our new product. PLEASE DON'T COMPARE THEM STOP PLEASE. STOP GENWUNNER STOPPPPPPPP

[Anonymous No.10892051]

>>10892038
doesn't seem to if you're not gonna mention any problems with the game. personally i like to play games for the gameplay not to look at piers all day but that's just me.

[Anonymous No.10892406]

>>10892038

[Anonymous No.10892409]

>>10891572
Certified Reddit Gold pic

[Anonymous No.10892560]

>>10887307
I'm not a generally anti-remake person, but FRLG are fucking horrible remakes.
>visually hideous (every area is ringed by trees, even areas that had mountains in RBY; for some fucking reason they decided to make it so that when a female NPC is speaking the text is bright red, some of the pokemon sprites are just weird)
>music sounds off due to the RBY soundtrack not being made for the RSE soundfont and the RSE soundfont not being made for the RBY soundtrack
>that stupid mechanic where you can't get cross-gen evos initially, so a few mons like golbat will try and fail to evolve every time they level up

[Anonymous No.10892565]

>>10887834
>>10890125
>yeah they added a ton of content to the games but they changed a little bit of NPC dialogue so it's literally unplayable
seriously why are 4chan autists like this in regards to remakes

[Anonymous No.10892603]

>>10892560
>for some fucking reason they decided to make it so that when a female NPC is speaking the text is bright red
soul. female voices should be represented in text

[Anonymous No.10892676]

>>10892565
All the dialogue is changed like this in HGSS (thankfully not so in FRLG, for the most part). I prefer the aesthetics and translation of the original GB releases, but there's no denying that FRLG and HGSS are overall better games. But aesthetics mean a lot to me, so I'll continue playing the originals every couple of years. Also, I'm here to shill Kaizo Blue as usual. Everyone please play Kaizo Blue. It's glorious.

[Anonymous No.10892696]

>>10888345
The music and sound design were critical components to Pokemon's early success. The GF team had several sprite artists early on, and most of them were lousy artists except for one in particular who did fantastic sprites that were few and far between. It wasn't necessarily the art that captured a generation. The music and sounds really were special. There's still nothing quite like Gen 1's compositions.

[Anonymous No.10894278]

>>10890267
Underrated response
T-words need not to apply.

[Anonymous No.10894284]

>>10892565
Clover mogs HGSS

[Anonymous No.10895157]

>>10894284
clover is just cringe 2016 humour, johto is timeless

[Anonymous No.10895250]

No Pokemon games are actually well designed. Might as well play the one with more historical value.

[Anonymous No.10895320]

>>10887307
i wouldn't play gen 1 over gen 3 beyond your passing interest of it. I would reccomend gen 2 before you touch gen 4 just to get a firm idea of how the old games played, it's polish and content far exceed gen 1 and the music is still fantastic.

[Anonymous No.10895457]

>>10887490
Onyx for me. I remember a kid from the neighborehood laughing as he explained how to weaken them. I had no idea. I guess I thought the old man was just making stuff up to be edgy. We used to play on his Super Gameboy.

[Anonymous No.10895489]

>>10895320
ignore this moron

[Anonymous No.10895513]

>>10895250
Not to mention the games are still just lazy, shameless rehashes after all this time. Pokémon never needed to leave the GBC. The fact that Pokémon fans are still buying the same game all these years later and getting into heated debates over which rehash is the best one is a true testament to their autism. Just a bunch of perpetually angry autists.

[Anonymous No.10895878]

>>10895513
Just look at how pissed they get when you point out how they fit the criteria for GR15, they all know it and don't want everyone here realizing it

[Anonymous No.10895901]

>>10895878
what exactly is GR15?

[Anonymous No.10895920]

>>10891650
nice post

[Anonymous No.10896590]

>>10895320
Dumb poster

[Anonymous No.10896635]

>>10895489
how do you get Arydactyl again? I forget.

[Anonymous No.10896645]

>>10896635
in the original game? you're gifted old amber by a scientist at the pewter museum. once you reach cinnabar island lab there's a guy who will take the amber to be regenerated just like the kabuto/omanyte fossils.
all 3 are at level 30 in the originals and at level 5 in the remakes.

[Anonymous No.10896648]

>>10896645
Or if you're talking Gen2, you trade a Chansey for it.

[Anonymous No.10896667]

>>10887635
HGSS runs on the shittiest slowest Pokemon engine. Overworld is like 12fps because of the mixed 3d, and every single thing from textboxes, battle transitions, battle animations, etc, is excruciatingly slow. Huge downgrade from the GBA engine and big shame they didn't wait until the BW engine instead.

[Anonymous No.10896741]

>>10896645
thanks. wonder why the changed the level in the rm. seems pretty dumb.

[Anonymous No.10897113]

>>10890195
They split special into special attack and special defense in Gen 4. I'd argue that's significant. Gen 5 added hidden abilities, and Gen 6 added Fairy type. Past that is all gimmicks, yes, and sure, these things build on Gen 3, but so does Gen 3 build on Gen 2 and Gen 1. The only difference is that Gen 3 rebuilt everything from scratch.

[Anonymous No.10897130]

>>10897113
>They split special into special attack and special defense in Gen 4.
That was gen 3

[Anonymous No.10897140]

>>10897130
Dipshit

[Anonymous No.10897174]

>>10897113
>>10897130
that was gen 2
what you're thinking of is the physical special split which makes moves deal physical or special damage based on what makes sense not what their type is (i.e ghost was a physical type from gen 1-3, since gen 4 lick is a physical move and shadow ball is a special move)

[Anonymous No.10897183]

>>10896635
>>10896645
>play gen 1 for the first time in years
>want aerodactyl as my flier but think he is a low level end-game mon (level 30 is pretty low with 7 badges are collected)
>never realized how open the game actually is and i am capable of getting to cinnabar with 4 badges
>only key thing you have to do is beat koga, who is actually a pretty good gatekeeper if you want to go to cinnabar asap. as the poison gym guy, normally he isn't much to think about but tackling him as early as possible is a decent challenge
>get the kickass rock bird at a decent time for all my trouble

[Anonymous No.10897213]

>>10887307
If you're playing on the original handhold, linking to Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 is definitely worth it.

[Anonymous No.10898818]

>>10896667
>Huge downgrade from the GBA engine
>downgrade
GBA only did 2D with Mode 7-like effects.
DS used 3D with sprite card elements.

Nevertheless, I still wish GF had rereleased G/S on the GBA to resolve the hardware issues that Gen3 faced with transferring Pokemon.

[Anonymous No.10899276]

>>10897183
That's what's cool about Gen 1. It's as easy or as hard as you want it to be and the level curve is very well adjusted for that. Technically you can make any Pokemon game as hard as you want it to be, but those are based on self-restriction whereas in Gen 1 you can just go to areas early and get your ass kicked. Gen 2 could've had this if they didn't nerf all the levels of encounters & trainers branching from Mahogany town.
>>10898818
By downgrade I think anon meant in terms of game speed. All Pokemon games are slow, but in terms of game speed in order from fastest to slowest it goes Gen 5, Gen 1 (OG), Gen 3, Gen 2? (can't remember if faster or slower than 3), Late Gen 4 (Pt+HGSS), Gen 6, Gen 7/8, early Gen 4 (DP), Gen 9? (I didn't play it but hear it's slow). Early Gen 4 was fucking miserable.

Of these, only Gen 3 and Gen 5 have battles that run at 60 FPS, but that's neither here nor there when it comes to how quickly you can mash through battle actions. Gen 3 suffers from artificially long wait times between actions during battles, seems to be by design but I don't understand why it was necessary. If it weren't for those wait times Gen 3 would be much closer to Gen 5 in terms of battle speed and would handily beat Gen 1.

[Anonymous No.10899373]

>>10895489
>Rhydon
>Goldeen
Fake

[Anonymous No.10899379]

>>10895157
Found the Twitterfag disgesting on "wholesome" Pokemon memes.

[Anonymous No.10899689]

>>10899276
I'm playing through crystal now with animations on and it seems a bit quicker than gen 1, and I just played through blue a week or so ago.

[Anonymous No.10899691]

>>10899689
Though I will say I forgot how long winded some of the dialogue was.

[Anonymous No.10900482]

>>10898916
>>10879592
>>10898010
>>10894889

[Anonymous No.10900606]

>>10899689
Gen 2 would be slightly quicker than Gen 1 but there's a bug that causes the health bar to deplete much slower than it should, which you'll start really noticing once you hit the Elite 4. The bug occurs starting at 45 max HP, but isn't noticeable until the Pokemon you're fighting has about 200 max HP. https://youtu.be/SE-BfsFgZVM
The video description has instructions to fix it, but I'm not sure if that's via a hex editor or via a debugger.

[Anonymous No.10900648]

>>10897183
All of this asuming you don't get an abra on that patch of grass to the left side of the 5 battle bridge right?
Kadabra already makes the game so easy, and poison enemies are even weaker. It doesn't help that Kadabra is a pretty fast mon and gen1 has spAtk and spDef as the same stat, which the psychic mons already had super high.
You are right that there is so much freedom. I liked how you could just go past Misty's gym, through the robbed house and into the Dugtrio cave to grind insane levels, so you could one shot Misty with even a Charizard if you wished so.

[Anonymous No.10900747]

>>10887307
Missingno.

[Anonymous No.10902605]

the janky original sprites are part of the charm

[Anonymous No.10902608]

>>10900747
This. It's basically reusable TMs. Also the free Mew you get to teach the HMs to.

[Anonymous No.10902615]

>>10887307
I'm a rambling, gaming dude.

[Anonymous No.10903197]

>>10902608
lol everyone I knew used the Mew to teach all the garbage attacks you need outside of battles
myself included

[Anonymous No.10903280]

>>10897183
>kickass rock bird
>doesn't learn any of the rock moves in the game
Gen 1 was a mess

[Anonymous No.10903294]

Unless you played through with a green DMG-style display, you didn't beat the game

[Anonymous No.10904304]

Any opinions on these hacks?
https://github.com/Masaru2/pokejp
https://github.com/Dracrius/pocketrgb-en