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This was always bad, but I tolerated it for some reason.

>> No.10867183

>>10867176
Blue spheres were the most fun and fair special stage.

>> No.10867186

>>10867183
As far as special stages go:
1>3>>>>>>2

>> No.10867196

>>10867186
1's special stage had some funky physics that throws you into the goal gates.
Fun fact: the first stage will play itself until you get into the section near the emerald.

>> No.10867202

>>10867186
The special stages in 2 are the ones I hate the least

>> No.10867226

>>10867176
I don't know how anyone figured this shit out.

>> No.10867241
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>>10867226
It's pretty straightforward.

>> No.10867318

>>10867176
All Sonic bonus games kinda sucked and weren't very fun. I don’t know how they screwed that up. Just having a pinball bonus game would have been fun enough, but they never did it.

>> No.10867331

>>10867226
Learning disability, hmm?

>> No.10867339

>>10867318
I'm an avid pinball player and you're pretty off the mark with that idea. The point of the special stages is to be trial and error, because your chances for the later ones grow thinner and harder to find, the further in you get, until the last few levels don't even have them. Pinball by its nature can just throw your ball down the drain, if the flippers are too far apart (see the bullshit behind Fish Tales as a prime example), and as the chances grow thinner further in, you want to be able to build off of whatever parts were successful in a previous attempt at the later special stages.

I wouldn't call them masterful or ingenious game design, but functionally they at least make complete sense. Imo Mania strikes the best balance by having at least 3 laps usually, with the first two being at really manageable speeds so you know what's coming, and in turn theoretically have a way higher chance of passing on your first try.

Also there's pinball bonus stages in Spinball, and desu they're pretty fun, so I get where you're coming from

>> No.10867385

the only problem with blue spheres is it makes you pick up every ring. You should just get them when you transform a block of spheres.

>> No.10867387

This mini game seperates the players who actually have fast reflexes, and the ones who play through Sonic games by bruteforcing their way through with the ring system and learning everything by heart.

The later get destroyed by this mini game.

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>>10867176
I'm just gonna say it.
You got filtered.

>> No.10867879

>>10867241
Sonic has tried to do pinball so many times and it has never been good

>> No.10867957

>>10867608
I beat Sonic 3 and Knuckles with all the chaos emeralds as a teenager. Take your angry kewpies and go play somewhere else.

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>>10867176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMucNIUnu1c

>> No.10868105
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>>10867226
Most 10 year olds figured this out at the time the game came out with no magazines, guide books or internet. Including the border outline ring conversion trick.
I know because I was one of those 10 year old and knew several and literally no-one with the game had issues with this.

Today's fun fact: We also had disagreements about how to pronounce Hyrdocity at the time. I got a big chuckle when the internet re-memed that.

>> No.10868112

>>10867176
Blue Sphere > Half-Pipe > Time Stone Special Zone > Rotating Maze > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half-Pipe with lagging Tails fucking up your runs

>> No.10868182

>>10867241
>get blue balls
what did sega mean by this?

>> No.10868216
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>>10867176
>Good ending is tied to a minigame that has nothing to do with the main mechanic

>> No.10868242

>>10868105
Basically this, though some of my friends couldn't do the blue spheres.

>> No.10868335

>>10867176

It is really impressive how they managed to do that with ZERO on the fly creation using only premade sprites and frames and clever use of palette swaps.

>> No.10868360

>>10867176
This was always good, the ones from 2 were always bad though.

>> No.10868364

>>10867183
>randomly speeds up right before you jump over a red sphere
heh no super sonic for you, sorry kid :)

>> No.10869064

I'm convinced anyone who says 3's special stages are bad is braindead because they never explain why.

>>10868360
sonic 2 absolute fixes them. better frame rate and you can see more of the rings in advance so you can get by more with reflexes than memorization.

>> No.10869073

>>10869064
>sonic 2 absolute fixes them
You can't see fucking shit in 2, it is pure memorization. Raw garbage.

>> No.10869273

>>10867176
Most difficult one other than the running tube one

>> No.10869278

At this point I think all the special stages were bad

>> No.10869386

>>10867176
Better than the fucking halfpipe.
Why did Sonic Team decide to add these shitty special stages anyway?
Wouldn't it be better if you had to find them in the levels like in Sonic CD with those badnik machines?

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>>10869386
Them as in emeralds.

>> No.10870061

>>10867226
What's not to understand? You get the blue spheres.

>> No.10870068

>>10867226
Attract mode shows you what you need.

>> No.10870414

>>10867183
fpbp
it's the only skill-oriented one

>> No.10870425
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>>10869386
"Finding them in the levels" was the Master System / Game Gear approach.

>> No.10870450

>>10867176

Your post applies to the entirety of Sonic

>> No.10870453

>>10867183
No

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>>10867176
They're all pretty bad, this is the only one that's fair and fun
Too bad it's in a game that is shit

>> No.10870465

>>10870425
That sounds kino. Kid me would've loved that

>> No.10870496

>>10870459
Literally how is blue spheres not fun and fair?

>> No.10870602

>>10870459
hell yea that ones awesome

>> No.10870603

>>10869818
why is teh kot in bottle of sok tho?

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>>10870496
>he locked on non-sonic games just to get more blue sphere stages to play

>> No.10870768

>>10870496
It's fucking nauseating, It's disorienting, it's frustraing.
I won't lie, I've always loved the music and the look, but it's too much. It's like a VR game from hell

>> No.10870917

>>10868105
>no magazines
>no guidebooks
https://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Hedgehog-Segas-Official-Players/dp/1559583355
lol ok zoomer

>> No.10870921

This thread makes me want to download Sonic 3 AIR again. Not sure if it qualifies entirely as retro, but it's basically Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

>> No.10870932

>>10867183
Half pipe is the best and I'm tired of people who got filtered bitching about it because they suck at it. There's a reason it's the only one that stuck around and variants of it are used across the series. That said, even fucking 1's got a comeback in 4 and superstars so I guess SOME people will like literally anything.

I can see the appeal of blue spheres but I don't enjoy it

>> No.10870938

>>10868105
>Including the border outline ring conversion trick.
This was actually explained in the Sonic 3 manual.

>> No.10871227

>>10870938
isnt it in the demo too?

>> No.10871310

>>10867241
I'm blueballed as fuck
Am I doin it rite?

>> No.10872121

>>10871227
what demo?

>> No.10872431
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>>10867176
I liked it, but I also liked 3D blast.

>> No.10874034

>>10867176
Time waster

>> No.10874141
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10874141

>>10870764
>tfw you can't play as Knuckles in Aladdin

>> No.10874205

>>10870932
I can beat the half pipes even with Tails because I have them memorized from childhood.
But that's the thing: you need to have them memorized. Don't tell me those bunches of rings right after a curve is fair.
The average person with decent reflexes stands a chance with Blue Spheres.

>> No.10874208

>>10868216
I mean......yes? That's how Sonic 1 and 2 worked as well.

>> No.10874214

>>10870496
If you don't know the layout by heart through multiple tries (which are far apart), then you're likely going to fail.

>> No.10874218

>>10874214
You can wing it. It's not that hard

>> No.10874228

>>10874205
>decent reflexes
You have to have a pretty good strategy worked out for all the different kinds of blue sphere layouts, because if you don't then they will speed up and then it's over.

>> No.10874234

>>10874228
Speeding up isn't an automatic death sentence. You're more likely to mess up sure, but it never reaches a point where it's impossible to react.

>> No.10874957

>>10870459
really? this piece of shit was a worse feeling version of 2's special stage

>> No.10875492

>>10874957
2's special stage is bad. there's literally someone a few posts above you explaining why

>> No.10875770

>>10875492
and 3d blast's special stage is somehow better?

>> No.10875882

>>10867176
The main issues with blue spheres are the unexplained mechanics that make it far easier. You would assume you have to collect all of the blue spheres as you're literally told when you enter the stage, creating a huge swath of obstacles for yourself, but running around the outer edge of a set deletes all of the would-be red spheres and gives you rings for continues as well. Once you know this the stages largely become a cakewalk, especially if you manage the stage's speed by saving the easiest spheres for last and buffer inputs since your character can only turn at an intersection between points.

The fact that you can jump doesn't feel natural either for some reason but that's at least something anyone could figure out.

>> No.10875890

>>10867176
touch the balls anon, you know you want to

>> No.10875894
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GODDAMNIT TAILS STOP HEADBUTTING THE FUCKING BOMBS

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>>10875894
Make me.

>> No.10875909

>>10875901
ALRIGHT BUDDY, YOOOOOOOUUUUUUU ASKED FOR IT

https://youtu.be/5_-iZMkeuOs

>> No.10875920

tails isn't real

sonic is literally just hallucinating a friend

thats why he can't die

>> No.10875929

>>10875920
THEN WHY DO I LOSE RINGS EVERY TIME HE FELLATES ANOTHER FUCKING SPIKE BOMB

HUH

DON'T GOT AN ANSWER FOR THAT DO YA

>> No.10875937

>>10875929
The answer is just to keep Tails from grabbing rings

>> No.10875940

>>10875929
you never had those rings in the first place it was all in sonic's mind

>> No.10875942

I just came up with an interesting theory that Sonic and Ecco take place in the same universe. No, I'm not going to justify that theory.

>> No.10875956

>>10875942
>both are called X the Y
>both are about liberating animals
>one can't swim
>the other can't walk on dry land

ILERMINURTY CONFIRMED!

>> No.10876089

>>10875770
Yes. It's fair and fun, as previously stated. Explain how it's not

>> No.10876107
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>tfw no ecco/flipper crossover

>> No.10876112

>>10875901
I recognize that pedotails...

>> No.10876113

>>10876107
wtf why the schooner gotta be black?

>> No.10876136

>>10876089
>fair and fun
You keep repeating that phrase as if blue sphere is either.

>> No.10876139

>>10876136
why'd you bring up blue sphere? I thought you were arguing with me about sonic 3d minigame vs sonic 2's

>> No.10876151

>feels slow, sonic is literally limping
>cramped, can only move inside a narrow hallway that only uses like, 30% of the screen's width
>visually boring bridge
>bombs blend in too much with visually boring bridge
>random ass spots where the action just pauses
>can't even see that far ahead
go ahead and reply with your "fair and fun" bait

>> No.10876192

>>10876151
holy shit filtered by a game for toddlers

>> No.10876204

>>10876151
Don't worry anon, you can still beat the game even if you aren't able to collect all the chaos emeralds. You just can't brag about it.

>> No.10877168

blue sphere is notched a little too hard for my taste. Granted I play sonic which is basically a baby game for babies. Still, I think the speed and amount you have to collect at the end is like.... 10% too high and should have been scaled. That said, with the save feature and tons of maps, I think people would eventually get 7.

sonic 2 special stages scale way too fucking hard. The first 4 are manageable, but the last 3 are really brutal in their layouts. And learning them in a natural playthrough? They are rough. THEN on top of all that, you can't even use super sonic on the final boss.

1 is arguably perfectly balanced.

>> No.10877192

>>10877168
but what do you think about 3D Blast's special stage?

>> No.10877201

>>10874141
>Aladdin
Why was Genesis Aladdin so damn popular? I don't remember any other 4th gen licensed game being this popular

>> No.10879828

>>10877201
Alladin was huge, and the game was good.

>> No.10879831

>>10875894
I never got this. Tails only collects what you missed.

>> No.10880127

>>10879831
Tails has his own collection of rings and loses them when he gets hit.

>> No.10880349

>>10877201
The sword

>> No.10880353

>>10877201
abbaabba

>> No.10880412

>my mom loved Sonic 2 when I was a kid
>force me to be Tails as a sacrifice to most of the levels or half pipe
Man
It was weird for a bit
"HEY [anon] BEAT HIM!"
"I'M TRYING!" [8 years old and barely played Sonic]

>> No.10880539

>>10870425
Sovl

>> No.10880546

>>10870932
You literally can't beat the final half pipe on your first try. It's impossible.
>hurr durr good games require you to beat your head against a wall
Kill yourself. Every Segoy should kill themselves.