Comfy Thief Thread

[Anonymous No.10824528]

What are some great FMs that push the boundaries for what Thief and Dark Engine can do?
I loved Towers of Twilight.

[Anonymous No.10824573]

New Spoonman kino just came out. Love this guy's maps.

[Anonymous No.10824846]

>>10824528
Feast of Pilgrims is a good one as is Rose Garden. Iris for TDM also recently impressed me with its peculiar lenses although I doubt anything like that was feasible on a 2005 era build of the mod/game.

[Anonymous No.10824980]

>>10824528
Does Tales of the Penitent Thief count ? The fm feels more like a RPG/adventure game that what you usually see in Thief fms.
>I loved Towers of Twilight.
Loved what I played of it, too (I noped hard out of it really fast at my first encounter with that creepy statue, lol)

[Anonymous No.10824982]

>>10824846
Rose Garden is impressive, but you can feel the dark engine struggling to run it properly (see the little bugs caused by the saturation of the IDs space)

[Anonymous No.10825161]

>>10824528
>Towers of Twilight
that map is a piece of shit

[Anonymous No.10825227]

>>10825161
What didnt you like about it?
Its very open and some areas are a little tedious but its openess was the main thing that impressed me
Felt like 4 or 5 smaller levels made into 1

[Anonymous No.10825380]

>>10825227
the map is huge but mostly empty and unfinished and undetailed. and on the huge terrain the textures look ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10825587]

I played throught a string of average fms lately and I need something stronger to lift me up. Any fm recommendation with that "weird fantasy" atmosphere like in Into the Odd/Alcazar/Scholar Hand, please ?

[Anonymous No.10825640]

>>10825587
Those are mid except for Alcazar.

[Anonymous No.10825869]

I just finished The Violent End of Duncan Malveine though honestly I did a bit of random guessing between the 3 suspects I thought were guilty. I thought t was the eldest daughter or priest since the autopsy said Duncan died from a blunt strike to the head unaware so I'd thought one of them used a hammer but the murder happened in the garden so the second son was also a suspect. I chose the sewers to enter from so I never went outside into the gardens where I probably would've found a bloody shovel or something since it was the son who did it. I ended up framing the lawyer because the clues I found hinted that he was the one blackmailing the doctor wanting to steal the diamond himself.

[Anonymous No.10825987]

>>10824528
was lookin to get into this series. are there any fan patches for the og trilogy i should need? i had some issues with other old games and i wanna know before jumping in

[Anonymous No.10826095]

>>10825987
TFix Lite for T1, T2Fix for T2 and Sneaky Upgrade for T:DS is all you need to be able to run the games on modern hardware (beside being mandatory for almost all fan-missions from this past decade) ;)

[Anonymous No.10826102]

>>10825640
I sort of agree of The Scholar Hand - but in Into The Odd's case, I think you just need to get gud and avoid getting filtered by the first part of the mission ;p

[Anonymous No.10826114]

>>10826095
Does Tfix lite even work with all the FMs that uses Thief Gold? I asked a question about patches once and I was told that for FMs you need to use the normal patch.

[Anonymous No.10826254]

>>10826114
It works better than using TFix unless you like impossible FMs because TFix edits mantle properties for game objects.

[Anonymous No.10826370]

>>10826114
never in my life ran into an issue running a FM with tfix lite, no
maybe there's some loader incompatibility? i dont know i've been using fmsel for my entire life

[Anonymous No.10826454]

>>10826370
I’ve had some problems running two or three very old fms (2000-2002), but I wouldn’t even be sure if it was caused by the patch or something else.

[Anonymous No.10826461]

>>10826454
https://github.com/Xanfre/T2FMDML
check the thief gold ones

[Anonymous No.10826548]

>>10826370
>>10826254
Really? How do you uninstall the normal Tfix patch then? Should I just simply uninstall the game and reinstall with Tfix lite?

[Anonymous No.10826756]

>>10825380
for all the connecting areas yeah I get that, but all the interiors were nicely detailed, lots of custom assets too
I was genuinely surprised when I found the Mages main compound, expecting it to be like 2 or 3 empty rooms given how big the mission already was, and found it to be a fully detailed and dense location

[Anonymous No.10826790]

>>10826548
Yeah. Then just manually edit cam_ext.cfg and if you want, you can edit your user.bnd to have thief 2 style creeping.

[Anonymous No.10827314]

>>10826095
thanks a lot

[Anonymous No.10827415]

>>10826790
How do I know if the patch is even working right? I extracted and replaced the files but there's no patch version note on the title screen corner. Also can I get the movement controls to be the same as it was in Thief 2? Was that was you meant by Thief 2 style creeping? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with those files.

[Anonymous No.10827752]

>>10827415
(not the original poster, just trying to help you)
- You probably does't need to uninstall the game, just reapplying the patch should be enough (I think all the patches does is copying the relevant binaries from the NewDark package, no windows registry or similar sheannigans involved)
- you can try to copy your user.bnd from T2 to T1 if you want to have the same commands, didn't tried myself but I would be really surprised if those files were incompatible between T1 and T2
- if the game launches, it's safe to assume that the patch is working.
- if versioning really bother you, you should have a release_notes.txt file in your Thief directory for this.

[Anonymous No.10828515]

>>10827752
Looks like copying the file worked, thanks. Also the fact that the mission briefing mission plays means the patch is working right? I remember when I first bought Thief years ago and didn't know about needing patches so there were never even any movies playing and I didn't know there were even supposed to be any until I got to the escape the mansion mission and was wondering what the hell happened.

[Anonymous No.10828516]

>>10827752
Looks like copying the file worked, thanks. Also the fact that the mission briefing movie plays means the patch is working right? I remember when I first bought Thief years ago and didn't know about needing patches so there were never even any movies playing and I didn't know there were even supposed to be any until I got to the escape the mansion mission and was wondering what the hell happened.

[Anonymous No.10828528]

>>10828515
Depends what version you got, the gog version comes with NewDark preapplied. Tfix Lite is just the latest version of NewDark (1.27) with some DML fixes (although voodoo47 still added some stuff like colored lights for red alarms but you can actually go through each dml in notepad and see the changes are generally minor. An easy way to test if you're not using TFix and just lite is if Cragscleft doesn't have weird 3D clouds and is just a traditional skybox. Also you should clean up your user.bnd with notepad and remove the frogbeast binds and stuff.

[Anonymous No.10828554]

is the remake good for a first playthrough or is it one of those remakes where they completely ruined what made it good in the first place?

[Anonymous No.10828568]

>>10828554
There is no remake of Thief. The 2014 game is some sort of soft sequel that doesn't really have anything to do with the original series.

[Anonymous No.10828578]

>>10828568
appreciate it

[Anonymous No.10828736]

>>10828528
>Also you should clean up your user.bnd with notepad and remove the frogbeast binds and stuff.
I don't see anything like that in the user.bnd though.

[Anonymous No.10828768]

Playing Rose Garden right now and after disorientation and bad debts yeah, Melan is the best writer in Fms that i have seen right no, black parade had some super well written stuff as well.

[Anonymous No.10829113]

>>10828768
>black parade had some super well written stuff as well.
Where? The writing sucked and you can tell it was written by ESLs with a thesaurus. It was all about stupid names like Gulliemaunt and Algupierre doing some stupid shit for 3-5 pages of filler text.

[Anonymous No.10829135]

>>10829113
ok

Melan uses as many medieval names as well. I liked the lore and documents of BP. Its solid to me and I have read Yourcenar l'oeuvre au noir a lot since it reminds me of Thief.

[Anonymous No.10829137]

>>10829113
I think we played two different mods, that was my experience with t2x if anything

[Anonymous No.10829145]

Anyone tried Rogues lair?

[Anonymous No.10829204]

>>10829145
Yeah it was good. That dude's maps are all slept on despite all being top tier quality because they don't follow "the ttlg formula (tm)"

[Anonymous No.10829214]

>>10829204
Whats the formula?

[Anonymous No.10829226]

>>10829145
I liked it. It begins like a remake of that infamous OM from TG, and then you get propelled into an environment straight out of Dark Souls 1. Not that it does anything really interesting or exciting with it, but the experience was fun.
>>10829135
L'oeuvre au Noir, as well as most of her novels (not true for her poesy and theatrical pieces) are generally much more anchored in historical verisimilitude, thought - even when she is describing fictional events.
The New Weird genre of fiction is the closest I've read from what T1 and T2 attempt to do with the setting.
Some fms also do some interesting things, some times - like Into the Odd channeling a mix of Théophile Gautier's dreamlike symbolist style with Clark Ashton Smith-like Weird Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.10829237]

>>10828768
>Rose Garden
The way nearly every readable you pick up during the first part of the mission relate to something that will happen during the second part was really well-done, yeah.
I love that mission (together with Disorientation). Easily one of my top 3 fms.

[Anonymous No.10829251]

>>10829214
>>/vr/thread/S8711664#p8724612 basically this

[Anonymous No.10829445]

>>10829251
I wish the sources for NewDark were public. Sometimes I wonder how feasible it would be to add new solid types to the available brushes, like a proper sphere.

[Anonymous No.10829592]

>>10829237
Doing a cozy Garrett FM campaign after BP. Its been a great ride. The quality is sometimes astounding and I still have a lot of good ones to go.

[Anonymous No.10830047]

Just beat TBP.
I didn't like it

[Anonymous No.10830078]

>>10830047
What did you dislike about it?

[Anonymous No.10830117]

>>10830078
The custom animations/scripting, the level sizes, the modified player detection box, the aimlessness of some of the mission objectives, and the story. I can respect that it's impressive on a technical level with the size of levels and detail packed into it but things like custom objects where you can clearly see the normals are fucked up causing smoothing issues compared to original assets, custom assets that are lower fidelity than the original ones from 1998, and a main character that sounds like he's taking it up the ass every time he mantles onto something. At one point in a mission, I bumped into a horse and watched it stutter and jerk around for a solid 20 seconds trying to turn and face me when I bumped into it in a stall. Also it uses so many T2 assets I don't think it can even be called a love letter to TDP. It definitely didn't look and feel like the originals even if the story is basically following every beat of the original. Not the worst thing ever but it felt jarring when seeing all the mass 10/10s it got (some of which admit they didn't even beat the thing).

[Anonymous No.10830404]

I really loved it.

I think It was a nice mix of Thief 1 and 2. I like many of the ambient sounds from other s games and how they fit the City.

It was never a 10\10 to me, but a 9 or 8 if one wants to be pissy.

Lacks a mission about the necromancers. Everything else I think was solid, mission design and layout.

[Anonymous No.10830436]

>>10830117
So you are nitpicking a fanmade project?

[Anonymous No.10831242]

Do you think a fan made sequel that takes places years after Thief 3 would work? Also as an idea it would have two protagonists, an older Garrett and the girl who he decided to pass down his thieving skills to. The girl would have the more simple and easy missions while Garrett is used for the harder and more complex levels.

[Anonymous No.10831249]

>>10831242
I never cared about the girl nor will ever.


Would rather play with another hardened criminal since Thief is very hard boiled noir.

[Anonymous No.10832141]

>>10829204
yeah I'm pretty sick of the ttlg formula, though thankfully I do feel like missions have been kinda drifting away from it in the last year or two
that being said, I'm the reply to the post linked here >>10829251 and I still agree with what I said 2 years ago
Thieves Highway missions are cool, but boy am I sick of them, we need to embrace the weirder FMs like Rogue's Lair, Into the Odd and Malazar's Inscrutable Tower

[Anonymous No.10832146]

I am replaying T:DS in honor of its 20th anniversary coming up.

[Anonymous No.10832280]

>>10832146

[Anonymous No.10832331]

>>10832280
i loved the art direction of this game but the movement ruined everything

[Anonymous No.10832565]

>>10832146
good idea

[Anonymous No.10832571]

>>10832565
I'm playing without the Gold mod, animation tweaks, or fan briefings for the ultimate OG experience.

[Anonymous No.10833058]

>>10832331
I do love many of the textures and sounds, but the levels are dark and cramped.

Also lacks the weirdness and color of thief 1\2

20 years shit man.

[Anonymous No.10833568]

>>10833058
It's some sort of funky bite-sized version of Thief. I don't really like the story and characterization of the keepers and the gameplay options are seriously limited compared to the first two games. When pit against other stealth games from 2004 though, it's definitely one of the better ones it just had big shoes to fill.

[Anonymous No.10833671]

Maybe one day we'll get an FM that's DS but with the original Thief engine.

[Anonymous No.10833757]

>>10833568
Yes, even when converting to consoles, the game retained a lot of good stuff.

[Anonymous No.10833804]

A thief's training is again doing the same thing Sound of a Burrick in a room did with its use of og maps. Like in a dream it opens up, when I thought it would stay forever the same.

I mean sure even i could load a og map in dormed and try to expand, but seing another person do it is fascinating.

Its so fucking cozy, the keeper compound is so fucking nice.

[Anonymous No.10833815]

>>10833671
There is this
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129213

[Anonymous No.10833829]

>>10833804

Beautiful mission

[Anonymous No.10833840]

>>10829251
I feel like most I have played dont follow that formula closely. The writing quality varies but I have been playing only the best missions in a way so i dont know.

[Anonymous No.10833842]

>>10833815
Bad hangover uses this map for a mission and is worth checking out.

[Anonymous No.10833943]

>bow in Thief is one of the funniest bow in a video game
>can't use it ever because killing people is bad
Sadge.

[Anonymous No.10833950]

>>10833943
Depends on the mission. Also broadheads are useful as cheap noisemakers and to kill beasts.

[Anonymous No.10833953]

>>10833950
I dunno, beasts are tanky. Can't oneshot a burrick.

[Anonymous No.10833964]

>>10833953
Burricks can still be backstabed and when it fails I use arrows a lot as finishers since the gas spam can get you.

I like to mine beasts its funny.

As for humans sometimes I sue them to kill a rogue\bandit, my canon Garrett, or the way i play it, I have no beef bonking rogues or killing them if found, and just trying to flashbomb guards since their are poor saps doing their job.

As for servants I try to avoid them, and for others sometimes i may bonk them if discovered.

I love how LGS nailed the arrows so well in a game that had no analogues before. All arrows are super useful. I used to hoard a bit, but now I use items a lot.

[Anonymous No.10834059]

>>10833964
Garrett's canon is that killing any human while on the job is unprofessional even if for personal reasons. Like in Thief 2 when you find out that the mechanists slaughtered the pagan village you're still not allowed to kill them. His only actual kill ever was a mercy kill, other than that he only indirectly killed two other people, the Trickster and Karras.

[Anonymous No.10834068]

>>10834059
Sure no problem there, I said my Garrett, but I have been jumped rarely on some missions. And has I said, if its a guard he will be flashbombed and bonked to sleep. But a brigand who jumps on Garrett with intent to kill I will defend and kill him if the mission allows it. It depends really on how i feel during the mission if that makes sense.

I have even killed a bandit the way garrett does in the intro cutscene of Thief 1

[Anonymous No.10834128]

>>10833964
But you can't snipe burricks. And I think even some humans can't be oneshot with the bow and arrow, and it annoys me.

[Anonymous No.10834203]

>>10833804
I havent played that mission but the transition between om and the new stuff in sound of a burrick was jarring as fuck

[Anonymous No.10834263]

>>10834203

I know what you mean but I dont mind it. I think both have been a joy to explore.

[Anonymous No.10835068]

>>10833671
The next TTLG contest is T:DS themed.

[Anonymous No.10836196]

How many jobs do you think Benny has been through? He seems to have the worst luck always being hired at places that Garrett robs.

[Anonymous No.10836205]

>>10836196
Somebody needs to do a mission with him. If only scripting was not a son of a bitch.

Stand around a door, try to pick on servants, hang around other guards, pick up his dinner.

Maybe Benny has a family or wife. Maybe hes a veteran of baron wars and has nightmares.

[Anonymous No.10836212]

>>10836205
Benny goes out to the city to grab a snack and gets his purse stolen in the process, has to scramble through the neighborhood because the lord he's working for won't compensate him for fucking up
Alternatively his packaged meal gets stolen, that's just as good a motivation to lay waste to a thieves guild hideout

[Anonymous No.10836217]

>>10836205
>Benny has severe PTSD after losing all his comrades and his actual brothers who also enlisted with him in the war so he's been coping by becoming a drunk and taking on a fake oafish persona to hide his pain
Deepest lore

[Anonymous No.10836224]

>>10836217

Kinda fits, hes brave in his stephen lines when he sees a rogue, hes not a coward.
The other guard however, Dan's one is a dick. Much smarter.
Maybe Garrett stayed his hand a couple of times cause Benny has had enough.

My favorite npc is the hammer with deep voice that also voices Constantine, that guy is fucking fantastic, what a powerfull voice, wonder if he did shakespeare.

My canon lore for that one is that unlike the other sleazy highpitched Hammeritte and old fart priest which is probably corrupt, that Hammer dude is a true crusader and aprt of the Hammers which maintain the city going in an out in deepest levels.

[Anonymous No.10836257]

>>10836224
Honestly for how much people talk about the guards being goofy and memorable what got stuck most in my head after playing the first game was all the hammer lines, and their humming, there's that goofy voice guy that voices them that's really great

[Anonymous No.10836264]

>>10836257
For being a bunch of nerds LGS nailed so many things, but when you see dan thron podcasts you realized these were all pretty erudite dudes.

They are sing song like yeah.

I like the "Hammer, anvil, forge and fire, chase away The Hoofed Liar. Roof and doorway, block and beam, chase The Trickster from our dreams."

[Anonymous No.10836273]

There's been an idea about a Hammerite FM but what kind of levels do you think it should have? If I was able to do it myself and have a team I'd make an FM that was as big as TBP that takes place chronically through both Thief 1 and 2, the first 5 levels would be during T1 and the later 5 levels would be during T2. Also as a hammerite the FM would be more combat based and maybe even in some levels there could be a boss fight, like during the last mission for the T1 missions you end up fighting Viktoria while Garrett is in the Maw dealing with the Trickster.

[Anonymous No.10836282]

>>10836273
I'm the guy that was shooting off mission ideas for it, I wouldn't really go overboard with it, a mission with a custom player with a possibly different gameplay style would already be a lot
I'd imagine at minimum you'd want to make it a little more combat focused
I guess it'd be more adventure-y, more treasure hunting/retrieving artifacts/going on a pilgrimage/going to a dangerous place to fix something, like some little machine room deep underneath the city, and you'd do more fighting than sneaking
Thinking about it I really like that idea of descending into the depths of the city to fix some crummy old machinery and making your way back out
I guess if we're ignoring how feasible such a multi-mission project would be then my pitches would be that cliffside monastery zombie-killing adventure and that descent-below-the-city mission

[Anonymous No.10836343]

>>10836282

Adventure game based like those bits in return to the cathedral woudl be nice. Fixing machinery, maybe blessing some others.

I would not go hard on not having stealth, even a clunky Hammer can still try to be sly. Crossbow wielding hammeritte with some stealth skills.

[Anonymous No.10836354]

>>10836343
If I'm getting to play as a hammerite I want to hit things with a hammer, honestly
If we want to be real thief's very gameplay is core to playing as a thief, if you were to design a set of missions as a different character, to really stick to the spirit of thief, you'd make another game which utilizes that character as well as thief does it's "thief"
So what I'm saying basically is this should be a dark messiah of might and magic mission pack

[Anonymous No.10836358]

>>10836354
No I get you, but its the dark engine. Despite being able to do tons of shit. The robust stealth is still there, like it was in SS2.

[Anonymous No.10836362]

>>10836358
Yeah the inverse of what I said is also true, if making things in dark engine it's probably best to keep it stealthy because the entire engine is built for that

[Anonymous No.10836385]

>>10836362
Its quite malleable and robust. THe physics were quite ahead of its time when compared to quake or half life.
I can imagine trespasser type physics or modern ones being attempted.

The only thing I dont like are the wonky skeleton\models.

In fact I would love for a modern analogue dark engine that looks teh same but allows all modern amenities, better npc control scripting, dynamic shadows, physics.

Its my dream imsim sandbox, the quirkyness of Thief setting and City\factions, ncps with schedules and more animations daily life, drop some vases on guards, hide in inky black shadows that move because of a moving light source etc.

[Anonymous No.10836418]

I've only played 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.10836434]

>>10836354
With a hammer would you be able to kill zombies without holy water by smashing their heads or something? Or maybe like in TBD you can get a holy hammer that was created or blessed by the Builder himself.

[Anonymous No.10836446]

>>10836434
Well yeah have you ever lured a zombie into the hammers in cragscleft? They beat zombies into pieces, that's why if anything you should be fighting more, because 1 zombie patrolling an area wouldn't be as impactful if you could just make it explode with melee

[Anonymous No.10836479]

>>10836273
>more combat based
combat in thief is so clunky, making a game like that would be a waste of your time

[Anonymous No.10836510]

>>10836434
How about using holy water item bottles to bless the hammer.

[Anonymous No.10836513]

>>10836479
I like it.
The sword combat is actually pretty robust, with fake ins and parries. With a couple more attacks it would be amazing.

Its crap in TDM and DS.

[Anonymous No.10836518]

>>10836513
TDM has directional attacks and blocks like M&B, DS has no combat mechanics.

[Anonymous No.10836525]

>>10836518
OH yeah its getting somewhere in TDM, but its janky and bit fast and difficult to judge. In og Thief is slow enough to look fast and deadly if that makes sense. Overhead swings parried at the last moment, side swipes. I just needed a thrust there.

The pace of movement and animations is nice.

[Anonymous No.10837349]

I've recently discovered if you throw boxes at people in T:DS they slide a good few feet around the map.

[Anonymous No.10838610]

How do you deal with the brightness issue in Thief? I notice I keep missing things like loot and switches in the darkness, get frustrated and turn the brightness up so I can have a chance of progressing. I just hate how the game looks with high brightness, it simply looks the best with pitch black shadows.
Or am I the only one with this issue?

[Anonymous No.10838617]

>>10838610

Modern monitors fuck up a lot of thief for sure unless you have an amazing oled.


I said it in other threads, I try to use a custom reshade with eye adaptation to simulate crts ability to show better darkness.

Basically its when iam in light the shadows turn darker, and when in darkeness the eye adapts and i can see the outline of the textures in darkness and objects. Like hidden levers.

[Anonymous No.10838761]

>>10838610
I usually only play at night when there's no sunlight glare or by shutting my blinds and putting up the curtain so my room is dark.

[Anonymous No.10838784]

>>10838761
Yeah I like low ambient light as well. Its pretty comfy taffin in summer, not only I dont get the room too hot since the gpu is barely moving, but also no lights making everything hotter.

[Anonymous No.10838835]

>>10838617
Damn, that sounds nice, have to look into that

>>10838761
You mean to tell me theres people that don't play at night with the lights out?

[Anonymous No.10838842]

>>10838835
Wait you still have issues seeing the game even when playing in a dark room? That's kind of weird.

[Anonymous No.10838872]

>>10838842
I don't have issues seeing the game, just important objects in the shadows at the brightness level the game imo looks best at. It's purely an aesthetic issue because the game looks ugly with high brightness

[Anonymous No.10838961]

Actually, in a theoretical FM where you're playing as a hammerite, it could be fun if hammers had different priorities for who to kill and not kill on missions
Like for garrett in hard/expert it's usually about either not killing servants/innocents or just not killing anybody at all, hammers could have some sort of extra directive about not killing restless dead, because of vaguely religious reasons, maybe you could even have them not care as much about killing people that attack them, that'd flip it on it's head a bit
That sort of approach would certainly be conductive towards making a bigger focus on tomb-raiding and otherwise adventuring missions more interesting gameplay-wise
The only hitch is that they don't have any qualms about making the cragscleft zombies explode, but maybe this limitation would just be a thing the player character personally sticks to, on expert of course

[Anonymous No.10838976]

>>10824528
Never played these games, are there really metal gears in there like in the picrel?

[Anonymous No.10838984]

>>10838976
There are in the second game, tens if not hundreds of those with their inventor's face on them, it's very goofy

[Anonymous No.10839115]

>>10838961

I think it makes more sense they are paladins smiting the undead.

And that would apply only to spirits maybe.

>>10838976

WHEN I WAS YOUNG, KARRAS TOOK ME AWAY FROM THE FOUNDRY MOTHER AND SAID: "THOU ART THE CHILD OF MY ENDEAVORS, FOLLOW ME AND THOU SHALT INHERIT THE EARTH

[Anonymous No.10839227]

>>10838984
>>10839115
Its hard to take Karras and his iron beasts seriously when they all have that Droopy Dog voice.

[Anonymous No.10839235]

>>10839227
Yeah, though I think the faces are a bigger issue than the voice, it'd be a completely different vibe if they looked like rusty robocop robots that just talked in a goofy voice
>>10839115
Yeah paladins smiting the undead involves less mental gymnastics, I was thinking more about making interesting mission goals that'd still make the hammerite PC sneak around, even though they wouldn't be dealing with servants and guards much when out adventuring

[Anonymous No.10839247]

>>10839227
They are pure evil. Hammers were always the good guys.

I find the Mechanists even more eery than Satan himself in some ways. He wants death and chaos but hes a God. Supernatural.

But Karras is human evil. Cult transhumanist egomaniacal madness. The robots in the cutscenes are even creepier the Dark engine just does not make them justice.

Not to mention the servants, the breathing ambient sounds. And the cut robots like the spiders and all the others.

I am glad somebody mentioned the builders paradise FM, its a great alternate ending for karras and doubles down on what i liked about them.Very creepy.

[Anonymous No.10839250]

>>10839235

>I was thinking more about making interesting mission goals that'd still make the hammerite PC sneak around, even though they wouldn't be dealing with servants and guards much when out adventuring


A scout for a militant order of Hammers maybe. Have a crossbow with special arrows, a warhammer for defence.

I wonder how\or if some Hammers sects participate in wars.

[Anonymous No.10839269]

>>10839250
I would assume that they'd only work as engineers and priests giving dying soldiers their last rites and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.10839640]

>>10838976
The first game is like medieval 1400s fantasy. Then 2 introduces more steampunk-like elements. Though it's important to mention that 1 definitely has some light steampunk stuff itself.

[Anonymous No.10839652]

I just finished the second part of the Greyfeather gems trilogy, awesome mission, bigger and better than the first
Then I learned that the third part never happened

[Anonymous No.10839946]

>>10832146
inb4 TDS 20th Anniversary Contest

[Anonymous No.10841361]

I wish people would post moar screenshots from their FMv playthroughs, I haven't found the time to play almost anything for almost a year

[Anonymous No.10841529]

>>10839640
1 Never feels truly medieval, the weirdo steampunk is everywhere as well.

[Anonymous No.10841579]

>>10839946
anon...

[Anonymous No.10841678]

>>10841529
Yeah, it has electrical lights in it which makes it not medieval.

[Anonymous No.10841695]

>>10841678

It is certainly a very unique setting, which is so rare. I wonder how much is accident, how much is intentional.

I can see an European 16 century town everywhere for sure, many FMs doubled down on that even more than LGS.

While the electrical machinery is weird and not something you would expect from a steampunk game. Or lift it from 19th century.

There is magic mixed in it, like mechanist machinery. I always loved the collectors spider like street lamp things. Because of magic existing, I can see the tech progress of Thief setting going off in very weird ways.

[Anonymous No.10841746]

>>10841695
It could end up as the opposite of Arcanum's setting where magic and technology can't work together, in Thief they can have perfect synergy together like instead of needing gasoline or oil people use magic to power devices, or someone making some device that can cast a magic fireball without the user needing to know how to use magic.

[Anonymous No.10841751]

>>10841746
While I really love is that the game is not pornographic about it, the setting exists, but its not the main focus, it feels normal to its inhabitants even mundane. That's elegant.

[Anonymous No.10841779]

>>10841746

The opposite of arcanum sounds cool. Now I can see panzers like in Sega VC, fuelled by magic fire crystals, while the rounds are still normal.

[Anonymous No.10841789]

>>10824528
I want to play thief so bad, but I don't want to play games on PC. why doesnt someone port or remaster these damn games like they did system shock?

[Anonymous No.10841803]

>>10841789
Why not just plug your pc into your tv?

[Anonymous No.10841804]

>>10841789
Play Deadly Shadows then retard.

[Anonymous No.10841829]

>>10841803
I've never owned a PC and never will. I do everything I need to do on my phone and tablet. I'll literally wait 15 years until some neet ports them to Android, like they did the fallout games, that's how completely obstinate I am about not having a PC.

[Anonymous No.10841846]

>>10841829
okay

I guess i can understand that since i dislike phones and my last console was ages ago.
I am sure you can eventually play them on a tablet.

[Anonymous No.10841863]

>>10841829
Just get a PC you weirdo, Thief is old as fuck that you can play it just fine on a cheap toaster.

[Anonymous No.10841890]

>>10841863
yes but then I have to learn how to use a PC, which you'll never admit just how complicated it actually is. and then after I'm done playing them what am I gonna do with it? it's a lot of effort to play two fucking games.

[Anonymous No.10841896]

>>10841890
>complicated

Are you taffing me anon? Also the amount of Fan missions thief has you would be playing for at least 10 years.

[Anonymous No.10841989]

>>10841890
Are you a troll or are zoomers these days actually this tech illiterate?

[Anonymous No.10842510]

Gave a try to The Burning Bedlam tonight, I was pleasantly surprised by the scope of the mission and some of the surprises in it. A good fm if you are looking for a Sealed Quarter themed mission.

I also tried the Builder Paradise, and I really didn't expect a mission at that level of quality. It really feel like a OM from T2, but better.

[Anonymous No.10842632]

>>10842510
Builder's Paradise is a slog that should have ended halfway through it. Very much a "wow so cool that they could do this in the engine" without asking why you needed to have a room with ~60 AI that slow the game to a crawl if they activate.

[Anonymous No.10842639]

>>10833943
>can't use it ever because killing people is bad
"Always play on Expert" is a detrimental community meme. I play on Hard first. Expert is for replays with additional challenge.

>>10834059
>Garrett's canon
not a real thing
>His only actual kill ever
he kills a guard with an arrow in the T2 intro. there is no one true canon.

[Anonymous No.10842648]

>>10842639
>"Always play on Expert" is a detrimental community meme. I play on Hard first. Expert is for replays with additional challenge.
Agreed. There are totally different paths through levels if you play on Hard vs Expert and a noob will get filtered hard by the loot requirement. Nowadays I mostly play FMs on Hard because the Expert loot requirement is a slog for a lot of FMs because after the engine limits got increased levels became 10x larger.

[Anonymous No.10842838]

>>10824528
What is a good type of monitor for dark scenery?
I fucking love this game but my current LED monitor makes it look like shit because the backlight(?) makes all dark areas very lit up/washed out.

[Anonymous No.10843076]

>>10842639
>>10842648
Expert difficulty Garrett is canon, the very first mission in Thief 2 has you helping out Basso who you only recuse on expert difficulty in Thief 1.

[Anonymous No.10843084]

>>10843076
>canon
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.10843839]

I will never understand the obsession some people have with 'canon'.

[Anonymous No.10843912]

Does Thief 2 support the undercover system from the first game? Also whats a good undercover mission?

[Anonymous No.10844187]

>>10843912
Yes. Cell 6.

[Anonymous No.10844317]

>>10842648
I dont have difficulty finding shit on Fms even on expert. But I agree most new people should play on hard.

I think its people have their own pace of play. I used to miss a lot of shit as a kid now I dont. Thief requires patience.

[Anonymous No.10844552]

>>10844187
>only 5 tagged undercover of thiefguild
Damn, I guess people really don't like those
or they're a pain in the ass to make

[Anonymous No.10844629]

>>10843912

Undercover missions seem to be super hard to make in dromed.

Probably something related to partitioning ai behaviour.

[Anonymous No.10844664]

>>10844629
Shame. l liked the hammer temple mission, even if the conditions for breaking cover seemed borderline esoteric sometimes, would have loved to see that scenario in different settings

[Anonymous No.10844791]

>>10844664
They kinda work well in undercover, its pioneer in the industry hitman stuff never forget.

[Anonymous No.10845010]

what the hell is even the point of gongs?

[Anonymous No.10845013]

>>10845010
They alert nearby guards. I am sure i have seen it work properly.

[Anonymous No.10845989]

>>10841695
>I always loved the collectors spider like street lamp things
that's something I always hated. looks out of place to me.

[Anonymous No.10846524]

>>10845010
>>10845013
Oh it fucking works, I remember trying to distract the bafford throne room guy with it, the crew from the entire floor came running, it'd be cool if you had a mission with npcs set up to run for the nearest gong if they spot you, that'd be mean

[Anonymous No.10847758]

>>10841695
They were very deliberate about pretty much everything they put into the game.

[Anonymous No.10848061]

>>10844187
Damn that was a good one
that hidden switch in the wardens office can go fuck itself though

[Anonymous No.10848105]

>>10848061
Yeah that switch sucks balls, I spend hours trying to find it.

[Anonymous No.10848117]

>>10848105
I spent like thrice as much time looking for this piece of shit than the the rest of the mission combined

[Anonymous No.10848805]

a friend of mine is pushing me to make a thief-like game with him, i'd be the programmer and he would do all the 3d stuff
unfortunately i am severely lacking in the creativity department

[Anonymous No.10849309]

>>10848805
>unfortunately i am severely lacking in the creativity department
What about the programming department? Do you have the skills needed to make a game like that?

[Anonymous No.10849504]

>>10848805
You should try making something in DarkRadiant while looking at TDM's source code first. Also there are leaks of Thief 2's source code online.

[Anonymous No.10849912]

>>10849309
i have some 5-6 years of experience in c++, hopefully unreal's documentation is good
>>10849504
well... i do have an ongoing project in dark radiant, nothing too fancy though

[Anonymous No.10849920]

>>10849912
I don't mean just basic programming experience. Making a Thief-like game is an order of magnitude more diffiicult than a boomer shooter because of the AI.

[Anonymous No.10849953]

>>10849912
Writing your own character controller in Unreal sucks ass and you will have to implement a bunch of stuff yourself if you want it to feel anything like Thief, just so you know. You should limit your scope to something similar to Filcher.

[Anonymous No.10850175]

>>10849920
>>10849953
i am aware
still, should be a fun experience

[Anonymous No.10850330]

QRD on Thief vs Thief Gold? Never played either.

[Anonymous No.10850348]

>>10850330
Thief Gold revamps some areas, adds some touches like dropped bodies having a sound and downed zombies not immediately getting up again, and has 3 new levels. I've played both and the only criticism I agree with is the Lost City mission is cooler in TDP, otherwise TG improved the missions it changed.

[Anonymous No.10850354]

>>10850330
>>10850348

Asking because I read the following:
>Thief: Gold includes extra missions, bug fixes, and some other enhancements, but makes controversial changes to existing missions that tone down supernatural themes and otherwise alter the perception of characters.

And I don't have time to play both

[Anonymous No.10850364]

>>10850354
That description is seriously overstating the changes and is by someone with an agenda. It swaps out the craybeasts in a level for an expedition of mages but then has another level with a cave full of them and adds new supernatural creatures to the game like the fire shadow.

[Anonymous No.10850371]

>>10850364

Gold it is. Thanks

[Anonymous No.10850384]

>>10850371

I would say try portable, newdark patched OG thief and save yourself the trouble of the thieves guild.

https://www dot mediafire.com/folder/qmzlu84u988rh/Portable_Thief

But both are fine. And basically the same game.

[Anonymous No.10850656]

>>10830117
I also disliked TBP although for different reasons. It felt like the maps where designed with a "graphic whore" mindset in mind first, where they packed so many details and gimmicks but forgot what made Thief gameplay fun. There's no exploration to be had in most maps, the most insulting is the first one where you get a cityscape but all that verticality is purely cosmetic, you don't even get a rope arrow to explore it. I think it suffers from the "done by committee" syndrome and the fact that they wanted to amaze with the production values first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.10850795]

>>10850364
>fire shadow
can you actually kill that thing somehow?

[Anonymous No.10850915]

>>10850795
nope
it's really fucking annoying if you're out of water arrows

[Anonymous No.10850949]

never could get into thief, it felt like every level was the same, you just run around and clobber guards in the back. they were really helpless and the levels got really irritating with how much loot they hid that you had to find to proceed, all in all, a really boring experience where you've knocked out every guard in the level pretty easily and now you just wander around for 40 minutes looking for interactables. if it sounds like I hate the game it's because I do

[Anonymous No.10851232]

>>10850949

A lot of early 3d games were exactly like that.
Any early FPS shooter even was like that. Just kill everything and then roam around the level looking for some lever or keycard of whatever that's deliberately placed so you can't find it easily

thankfully they solved that with yellow paint now

[Anonymous No.10851732]

>>10850949

You either get it or you dont, the crazy amount of love the franchise has with FMs speaks for it, outside the great tone and story\sound design, its all about the exploration and stealth.

I do agree that if you play like a neanderthal bonking every guard, I think maybe amping up the guard and enemy difficult would make things more tense.

The formula could have grown even bigger for sure without turning into predator dishonored stealth.

Thief is trying something too soon almost VR very nuanced slow gameplay focused around trying to be well, a D&D rogue. About sound and atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.10852128]

>>10850949
you just described the thief formula. even if ai worked the way it should and it wasn't so easily exploitable and the blackjack wasn't such an overpowered piece of shit, thief gameplay is at its core incredibly bare bones. you can really see that in fms too, they don't even bother with stealth shit anymore and instead just focus on "exploration", which basically boils down to having you comb every square inch of a level looking for anchor points for your rope arrows so you can get that juicy +5 gold or maybe some lame readable about a corrupt nobleman or some shit.
everything just feels designed to waste your time

[Anonymous No.10852143]

>>10852128
That's a very raw way of looking at the fun you get out of thief which is stealthing your way around.

The fuck do you need, dishonored powers? I would prefer in a modern engine which guards can follow you in ladders much tougher guards. But as it is its still good.

[Anonymous No.10853480]

[Anonymous No.10854541]

do the keepers disband after DS? they seem to lose all power and when garrett tells the little girl he's a keeper he's basically saying "i'm unemployed" lol

[Anonymous No.10854647]

>>10854541
It's heavily implied. Glyphs stopped working, their books are useless, their powers don't exist anymore, and there is a mob forming in front of their hq wanting to rob them

[Anonymous No.10854747]

>>10854541
>when garrett tells the little girl he's a keeper he's basically saying "i'm unemployed" lol
doesn't make the bookending any less kino though

[Anonymous No.10855506]

>>10854541
I think its more on the lines they are not overpowered anymore since the glyphs have been reset.

I always look on it from a 4th wall meta narrative, Keepers like in the matrix can look at dev code hence see the future, Garrett breaks those bonds and now we cant follow them anymore, the hag wanted control over it as well

[Anonymous No.10855510]

>>10854747

Yeah ive always wondered if hes been sarcastic or true, and now being the leader of a new faction. Knowing Garrett...

I hate the little girl, now everybody talking about possible sequels its always with the fucking girl as MC, fuck that

[Anonymous No.10855780]

>>10854747
that ending was amazing
makes playing through the buggy game worth it everytime
>>10855506
perhaps they would try to continue their works without the glyphs, meaning they gotta git gud at hiding and predicting stuff instead of relying on magic

[Anonymous No.10856761]

>>10855510
Imagine a reverse Metal Gear Solid 2 scenario where it seems like the girl is the new protagonist but after the first mission its old man Garrett for the rest of the game.

[im not dying for jews No.10856898]

guys the black parade lags and stutters on my computer and this is the frist time ive ever had problems with a thief fm
i recently beat t2x just fine with no issue. seems like this mission is horribly optimized

[Anonymous No.10857029]

>>10856761
>ojisan Garrett like Snake in MGS4
would be cool

[Anonymous No.10857049]

>>10856898
The sight lines and triangle counts for some missions are insane and cause framerate drops even on a Ryzen 5800X and an RX 6800. Anything made before 2013 was made with the original engine in mind which had hard limits on how many triangles you could have onscreen at a time without the game crashing so more effort was put into optimization. If you haven't played it yet, Death's Cold Embrace should run fine on your PC and you might be able to improve performance with TBP if you set z_far to 256 (the original defaults for Thief) in your cam_ext.cfg file in your main Thief folder.

[Anonymous No.10858231]

>>10857029
Russel in that western game sounds cool as fuck.

That's how garrett would sound.

>>10856898
That only happened to me on arcane sanctum and was bearable. But I see the other anon already told how to ameliorate it.

[Anonymous No.10859418]

>>10857049
Not him but I'm in the middle of the first mission and holy fuck the inventors basement was stressful
Also I've been seemingly everywhere and l'm not even close to my 7000 loot goal

[Anonymous No.10860203]

>>10824528
I really need to get into Theif some day, it sounds so awesome.

[Anonymous No.10860661]

>>10860203
It is.

[Anonymous No.10860680]

>>10824528
Why is the fourth game such ass?

[Anonymous No.10860738]

Inverted Manse turned out to be really good.

[Anonymous No.10860769]

>>10860680
>video game made after 2010

[Anonymous No.10860775]

>>10860680
Nobody from the original series was involved, made by French Canadians, was on an objective level very technically proficient but didn't understand Thief at a higher level, was AAA so tried to cater to un-Thief-y playstyles

[Anonymous No.10860791]

>>10860775
I dont like what they did to deus ex not matter how much i kinda liked the piss filtered ones.

Wrath was the sin of the 20th century, vanity, seem to be the main one in the 21th.

[Anonymous No.10860828]

>>10860791
Deus Ex better fits the mold of modern games where you choose to go guns blazing or sneak around. Too bad they still restricted the freedom of movement with how shitty the augmentations were and melee is just cutscene takedowns.

[Anonymous No.10860835]

>>10860828
I like the game.

Its the tone i dont like in the nu deus ex games. no paranoia no conspiracy, just shit bad angle racism story about augs when in the first game its treated like a non story.
Sheldon shouldve done the story for them, even with its flaws, invisible war was done by him and has intriguing plot lines and characters.

The fake AI popstar spying you was one of the best pieces in it it.

[Anonymous No.10860846]

>>10860835
I also like IW more than the new games, gameplay mechanics and all even if I think it's worse than the original. It actually had melee weapons and augmentations worth a damn and the game didn't feel like it was divided up into discrete phases of stealth/shooting, boss battle, qte dialogues.

[Anonymous No.10860853]

are there any other games with rich community made content? these custom mods for thief quake and doom are literally the best gaming experiances ever

[Anonymous No.10860869]

>>10860853
Half-Life, Morrowind, Tomb Raider.

[Anonymous No.10860875]

>>10860853
Yes tons of them.

Neverwinter Nights 1 has fan excellent modules. That will cure you of the faggotry in baldur gate 3.

Half Life also has tons of good fan made content, alongside Doom.

Of course these are even better if you enjoy the games in question.
Some notable amazing experiences for me these past few years are, HL Echoes and Field Intensity, Entropy Zero 2 for HL 2.

Alien Eradication and Ashes2063 for Doom.

HOOM3 has amazing new factions and fan made campaigns.

For more console stuff, I played streets of rage remake and like it, and a new outrun experiment called "turbo outrun reimagined". Sonic robo blast 2 is one notable fan game as well.

Tomb Raider has tons of fucking amazing fan made maps as well.

We are living in a golden years of fan made content while triple A is dying. I kinda like it. Even if its an eulogy to games.

[Anonymous No.10860884]

>>10860875
>>10860869
thanks lads

>We are living in a golden years of fan made content while triple A is dying. I kinda like it. Even if its an eulogy to games.
yeah i love it, not needing to feel FOMO about this pozzed garbage just ignore and play some kino indie or mods

[Anonymous No.10860986]

>>10860853
>>10860875
Mount & Blade Warband has a lot of fan made mods

[Anonymous No.10861031]

>>10860986
I guess the best thing about this era, is that this crash is turning it into what it used to be. A niche genre.

[Anonymous No.10861086]

>>10860775
what a shame, it wad a good franchise, what a rotten game to develop

[Anonymous No.10861136]

https://youtu.be/YZ11ACugK8E&t=8238
Guy who made Inverted Manse, worked on T2X and T:DS shares his thoughts on Thief 2014.

[Anonymous No.10861296]

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/warren-spector-says-the-next-logical-step-for-immersive-sims-is-multiplayer
>warren spector's still prattling on about his doomed live service thief clone to an audience of virtually no one
>otherside hasn't gone bankrupt yet and actually managed to secure more funding from retarded swedes
>he somehow conned greg lopiccolo of all people into working on this
>he insists on doubling down on his new online game fetish despite a gdc survey from the SAME DAY reporting that 70% of [current year] devs are concerned over live service games' sustainability
i can't wait for us to suffer another underworld ascendant-tier disaster in the next few years, assuming warren hasn't gone totally senile and forgotten how to release videogames :DDDD

[Anonymous No.10861306]

>>10861296
As I said above.

Does not matter in which form either woke or this,its all vanity.

[Anonymous No.10861336]

>>10861296
Warren has always been a moron. His idea of "immersive sim" has always been inane bullshit like stacking a hundred medkits to jump over a wall and he had the audacity to pretend Epic Mickey was anything like the Looking Glass games people associate the "immersive sim" design philosophy with. Harvey is a fag but he deserves a lot of the credit for Ion Storm games being good.

[Anonymous No.10861628]

>>10861296
Sounds like stealth was never a priority for him, but emergent gameplay. Who was that one guy that said his dream game was a small neighborhood one-to-one with reality? That'd be a nice place to sneak around in but I bet most players would just spend time raping or killing NPC's. Pure stealth is the niche of niches.

[Anonymous No.10861753]

>>10861628
He never liked stealth games. He was butthurt he couldn't just kill all the guards in Thief.

[Anonymous No.10862059]

>>10824528
How do you feel about DarkMod? I just played Iris. It was quite a good map, definitely in top 10 of all FM.

[Anonymous No.10862091]

>>10862059
I like it a lot and it gets better with every update. I'd recommend getting the fresnel mod on moddb as well.

[Anonymous No.10862094]

>>10824528
Anybody else only ever play Thief in the dark/at night?

[Anonymous No.10862124]

>>10862094
i do
the main reason is my monitor is directly in front of a window and during the day there's a huge glare which prevents me from seeing shit
of course it also helps with immersion and my house is more quiet during the night

[Anonymous No.10862138]

Coming at T2X with a fresh mindset and ignoring all the hype that gets piled on it's pretty good even if the story is early 2000s hot topic fantasy core

[Anonymous No.10862143]

daily reminder to not use the T word
https://thief.fandom.com/wiki/TG_resources_conversations#Unused35

[Anonymous No.10862390]

>>10862143
>fandom
i hate that website so much its unreal

[Anonymous No.10862904]

>>10862094
I get up too early to play late at night nowadays.