/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10786552]

is there any real reason to use a real ps2 over picrel?

[Anonymous No.10786557]

>>10786552
If you enjoy CBT in the form of dealing with interlaced video out, only having ethernet or burnt DVDs to load ISOs, needing a bunch of memory cards or 90% of controllers either being broken or the cheap third manufacturer model then sure

[Anonymous No.10786558]

>>10786552
Only for the couple of games that don't run well on it.

[Anonymous No.10786559]

Being able to put the disc into the playstation and just play.

[Anonymous No.10786560]

>>10786552
Only if you want to play a game instead of approximating it

[Anonymous No.10786569]

not having to sit at your desk in an office chair to play PS2 games
being able to use your SD CRT TV as intended

[Anonymous No.10786570]

>>10786559
as opposed to just launching the iso?

[Anonymous No.10786582]

not having to fiddle with settings or use a mouse to get going

[Anonymous No.10786585]

>>10786559
>just play
but why not just emulate?

[Anonymous No.10786591]

>>10786585
because sometimes you want to play a console game in a comfy chair and you don't have a consolized PC setup

[Anonymous No.10786592]

>>10786585
Emulation is a simulation of playing the game

[Anonymous No.10787879]

CRT is way more vibrant and smoother. Granted maybe if I got VA panel with HDR and 120Hz I wouldn't be complaining anymore. But I'm not sure
I haven't been able to replicate the phospor glow either
Also the Dualshock 2 is better than the Dualshock 4, for two reasons: rumble, and pressure sensitive buttons. You can connect a DS2 to your PC, but at least for me, that means having to use a mouse again (I don't use a mouse, I just use the DS4 touchpad to control my PC)

So decent breakdown. There's also input lag but it's a more minor detail. You really need to be familiar with games to notice that

[Anonymous No.10787886]

>>10787879
Nothing is stopping you from using a PC CRT monitor with VGA or DVI-enabled graphics card (you can easily find ones that powerful enough to run PCSX2) or a CRT TV with an S-video enabled graphics card (those are really weak, so rendering will have to be offloaded to another GPU, I know that's it's possible on Linux for sure, not sure about Windows).

[Anonymous No.10787889]

>>10786592
It's not. You're playing the .iso, which is the same game as the disc that was sold in stores. The hardware is different but that doesn't matter. It's still the same game.

[Anonymous No.10787894]

>>10786557

GSM for deinterlacing.
A 12TB HDD can be had for <$150 to load every game made from a HDD natively.
MemCard Pro is a thing now.
Despite using Bluetooth adapters and more comfortably using a PS4/5 controller on a PS2, pressure sensitive buttons were a thing that gen and so (same goes for PC) not everything "works" like it should, can concede that isn't perfect but the solution still isn't emulation.

[Anonymous No.10787912]

>>10786592
So if I pop a PS1 game into my PS2, or a PS2 game into my PS3, I didn't really play it?
Fuck off, bootlicker.

[Anonymous No.10788058]

>>10787894
>GSM for deinterlacing.
Doesn't work well in 90% of cases. Either I only get half the image, the game runs at twice the speed, the image is squished or stretched in some weird way or it doesn't work at all and I get a black screen. There's really no way to make interlaced content look good on an LCD and most PS2 games don't support progressive scan mode even with patches. Buying a cheap CRT is genuinely the best solution because interlaced content was designed to be displayed on those.

[Anonymous No.10788071]

>>10786552
have they worked out iLink yet?

[Anonymous No.10788094]

>>10787886
I want nothing to do with monster-ass PC CRTs.
Normal CRT TVs maybe, VGA to SCART would be my only option there. I guess it wouldn't be bad but for me RGB looks worse than composite on. And that's what the VGA is outputting.
But I guess weirdly enough you could fix my disappointing opinion of RGB by raising saturation and lowering brightness a lot in PCSX2. It's worth trying to just check it out, but honestly it's kind of a hassle having two displays just for games. I don't use a big desk, I have my PC on my bedside table

[Anonymous No.10788104]

>>10786552
Uh yeah. PS2 can play games and DVDs. Your picrel is a png file.

[Anonymous No.10788109]

>>10788094
>I want nothing to do with monster-ass PC CRTs.
What do you mean? CRT monitors tend to be smaller than tvs.

[Anonymous No.10788125]

>>10788109
maybe early on, but by mid-2000s they were making CRT TVs compact and more lightweight. monitors became flat panels during that time

[Anonymous No.10788248]

>>10786552
No
There is absolutely nothing that justify the usage of the original hardware at this point
Only a sttuborn and retarded rejects the benefits and convenience.

[Anonymous No.10788252]

Reminder that statistically speaking, half of the "emulation isn't as good as the real thing" people are in fact PALfags playing slowed down 50hz shit with fucked up aspect ratio

[Anonymous No.10788283]

>>10788252
Some games are better at 50hz
Namely shmups aren't stupid hard anymore
And european-made games
The aspect ratio thing is pretty bad though, I'll admit. Though not all PAL games have it

Furthermore yuro PS2s can play NTSC games too, anyone on /vr/ with a modded PS2 is running NTSC versions

[Anonymous No.10788293]

>>10786552
It's called soul. Ever heard of it?

[Anonymous No.10788362]

>>10787894
>the solution isn't emulation
get with the fucking times oh my god

[Anonymous No.10788397]

>>10786552
Hear me out /vr/, I'm in a bit of a conundrum.
A friend gifted me his old PS2 slim but I have a very limited library (I can't even save my progress on Resident Evil 4 because I'm using a third-party memory card and the files always get corrupted) but I'm also hesitant to emulator using PCSX2 because I'm using an early 2015 MacBook Pro running Monterey version 12.7 and I'm afraid it's not powerful enough to run PS2 games.
I'm also skeptical about control schemes, emulating GBA or DS games is easy since mapping the buttons to a keyboard is good enough but I'm not so sure mapping a PS2 controller to a keyboard is going to work out.
Should I emulate and if so, is there any way to use an original PS2 controller instead of relying on a keyboard?

[Anonymous No.10788405]

>>10788397
Mod the PS2? Are you dumb?
Also buy an actual memory card, actually buy 2 since one is gonna be in use by something else

[Anonymous No.10788549]

>>10788248
PCSX2 works well, but it’s not the original experience. If you want the original experience, then you use the original hardware. They made millions and millions of them.

[Anonymous No.10788552]

>>10788397
If you use PCSX2, then get a dual shock and a USB adapter or a Dual Shock 4 with Bluetooth. Playing PS2 games on a keyboard is only for people who’ve never touched a Dual Shock in their lives and are scared of them

[Anonymous No.10788579]

>>10787886
i've tried pcsx2 on a crt monitor and the input lag is really bad compared to a real ps2

[Anonymous No.10788647]

>>10786569
>>10786591

>computers can ONLY exist in an office setting

Imagine not building a budget used Optiplex for $100-$300 with a wireless keyboard+touchpad 2 in 1 and putting it in the living room for streaming/vidya games in the year of our lord 2024.

This is as pants on head retarded as saying "I don't like emulators because I don't like playing with the keyboard" as if 6 kajillion USB controllers and adapters don't exist.

>>10788579
Personal problem, your settings are bad or your computer is shit slow. Also, you need to use the "nightly" build, the "stable" build is ancient at this point and absolutely sucks by comparison.

[Anonymous No.10788648]

>>10788647
No, input lag on PCSX2 is bad and sucks and is a known issue

[Anonymous No.10788658]

>>10788552
You mean a PS4?
I have one + the charging cable with a USB port.
Will it even connect to my Mac doe?

[Anonymous No.10788659]

>>10788658

*PS4 controller*

[Anonymous No.10788662]

>>10788647
>a wireless keyboard+touchpad 2 in 1
the absolute state of pctards

[Anonymous No.10788667]

>>10788658
Yep
https://support.apple.com/en-us/111100

[Anonymous No.10788672]

>>10786552
Yeah, PS2 is cool PC is not

[Anonymous No.10788678]

>>10788648
Not for me, maybe you're just bad at life and schizophrenic. Maybe something from de-interlacing, but I'll take it over blurry trash picture quality.

[Anonymous No.10788682]

>>10788662
Yeah, it sure is awful just having this sitting on a side table next to the couch and quickly clicking on what I want instead of scrolling through pages of ROMs with the L and R buttons or having to get up, find the game I want, plug it in, it doesn't work, take it out and re-seat it, try again, get the rubbing alcohol and a q-tip, try again, hire an old priest and a young priest, try again...

[Anonymous No.10788686]

>>10788662
>>10788682
And if you took that to mean I meant playing the game with the keyboard then you need to learn to read more than one sentence. There are countless wired and wireless USB controllers to choose from including near perfect replicas of original hardware.

[Anonymous No.10788717]

>>10788678
Not him but grab something simple, like Street Alpha Anthology and play it for a few minutes. Now try it on real hardware (or hell, even regular mame) and tell me they feel the same. PCSX2 feels like they have chains in their feet. Input lag is hidden better in 3D games, but for the games that require pinpoint precision you're fucked for the time being.

[Anonymous No.10788718]

>>10788678
OK, do you play VF4 Evo on it?

[Anonymous No.10788723]

>>10788717
>>10788718
No, I don't play games involving gay men wrestling, sorry.

[Anonymous No.10788737]

>>10788678
Try playing anything that requires quick inputs like a rhythm game (the later stages of Gitaroo Man are particularly awful) or a shmup (second loop DOJ is literally unplayable).

This is why I don't trust poor people. You lie to yourself and others, constantly, in order to maintain the illusion that you're not missing out on things you actually are, in fact, missing out on. I'm going to die someday. Why would I wait another 20 years for Mexicans and people from the worst European countries imaginable to properly emulate a product I can buy for $50? It just doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.10788738]

Emulation is good enough if you just want to enjoy the games. I'm sure someone's favorite kusoge is broken and it's a complete disaster with no survivors but other than that PS2 emulation is not bad.

[Anonymous No.10788739]

[Anonymous No.10788742]

>>10786559
Don't listen to the goalpost movers. Keep being based and playing on bare metal.

Emulation, hardware or software based, is, always has been, and always will be cope. It may be varying levels of cope, some of which people have different tolerances for, but rejecting bare metal outright is complete and utter copium.

[Anonymous No.10788775]

>>10786552
Emulated speedruns are seen as less legitimate, even if the rules say they are equal.

[Anonymous No.10788780]

>>10786559
>put the disc
Grow up

My PS2 games are a few clicks away, but I have real hardware that hasn't been turned on in months.

[Anonymous No.10788787]

>>10788723
Then you’re probably playing slop where input lag doesn’t matter.

[Anonymous No.10788791]

>>10788775
This is to prevent cheating, unequal play environnemnt and advantages, not due accuracy.

[Anonymous No.10788793]

>>10788737
I'm seeing 4 frames of latency in AC0's main menu, end to end from button press to changing image, according to my slow mo camera.

[Anonymous No.10788797]

>>10788793
DOJ on real hardware is 2 frames.

[Anonymous No.10788818]

>>10788737>>10788737
>Try playing anything that requires quick inputs like a rhythm game
I beat guitar hero 1 and 2 on expert mode.
My CPU: R9 7950X
My monitor: Alienware AW2524HF
who is the poorfag here?!

Also, try having some fun, poltard

[Anonymous No.10788840]

>>10788780
>My PS2 games are a few clicks away
So are mine. If it works for you, that's great, play however you like.

[Anonymous No.10788845]

>>10788797
The port is also horrible and not worth playing.

[Anonymous No.10788865]

>>10788818
I own individual games more expensive than your CPU.

>>10788845
It's one of the most accurate ports of all time, and the foundation for the recent re-port that everyone is raving about. This isn't debated. If it had Black Label and an arrange or two, it'd be M2 Futari levels of quality.

[Anonymous No.10788872]

>>10788865
>I own individual games more expensive than your CPU.
Yeah, and you bought them when they were cheap. otherwise you're a retarded

[Anonymous No.10788891]

>>10788872
>You're just as broke as I am! And if you're not, you're retarded!
Emutranny cope.

[Anonymous No.10788914]

>>10786552
The only real reasons I can think of are incompatible games, or anything with noticeable input lag, and using the pressure sensitive controllers (which can be used on pc with a converter anyway).

[Anonymous No.10788973]

>>10788914
afaik the pressure sensitive buttons got fixed on the nightly builds.
As for actual incompatible games, maybe something that uses your game library? Some irl element that can't be done emulated.

[Anonymous No.10788974]

>>10788865
Ah sorry, I mixed up with the 360 port, which was horrible with long load times.

[Anonymous No.10788993]

>>10788891
Ok buddy!
Enjoy your hoarding disorder while I enjoy my emulated consoles, effortlessly.

[Anonymous No.10789079]

>>10786552
PCSX2 still has a lot of compatibility issues though it's been improving a lot since they got the duckstation team involved.

[Anonymous No.10789267]

>>10789079
name 5

[Anonymous No.10789287]

>>10789267
Started using it again a couple nights ago and ran into issues with 10,000 Bullets, Nanobreaker, and Zeonic Front. Again it's way better than it used to be at least it can run Ace Combat now but there's still lots of games that have issues. With the rapid progress it has been making I can see it being the more viable option in a couple years. Personally I use a combination of PCSX2 and freemcboot for my games.

[Anonymous No.10789319]

>>10789267
>1.23% of the library perfected after 22 years of development
Emulation is the future of retro gami-ACK

[Anonymous No.10789328]

>>10789319
100% of the PS2 g*mes worth playing are in that 1.23%

[Anonymous No.10789336]

>>10788647
you've just never compared to real hardware and don't notice the input lag. Skill issue.

[Anonymous No.10789342]

>>10789328
I'm sure most would disagree, but I admire your contrarianism.

[Anonymous No.10790071]

>>10789319
Wow you are truly another retarded one here trying to bash and defame the emulator. Why even enter emulator threads if your IQ is so damn low?
At least scroll down the page next time
The majority of the compatibility reports has not been updaded for several years.
Most of the reports are from very old builds.
The current 1.7.X nightly build are light years ahead of the stable 1.6.0.

[Anonymous No.10790076]

>>10790071
Also a lot of the people who submit these tests also play on laptops from like 2006 and settings incorrectly configured. Compatibility lists for emulators are more or less worthless so I never bother to check them, I cant tell you how many times I've loaded up a game that says its bad or even unplayable and it works just fine.

[Anonymous No.10790086]

>>10790076
This Blood Omen 2 report is from 10 years ago and is very sketchy. A waste of time.
Recent youtube videos is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.10790091]

The tipping point for me was emulating Ace Combat and having the clouds be completely fucked.
Just slap a HDD into a softmodded PS2, and you have every game you could ever need with no finicky emulation bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10790106]

>>10790091
>Ace Combat having the clouds be completely fucked.
Works on my machine (by pressing F9)

[Anonymous No.10790112]

>>10790106
Software rendering fucked things up even worse for me, but now at least I can just play the games on an actual PS2.

[Anonymous No.10790123]

>>10790112
>Software rendering fucked things up even worse for me
Well done. You did something nearly impossible.

[Anonymous No.10790239]

>>10790076
The real compatibility tracker is the patch database

[Anonymous No.10790290]

>>10790071
Even if 1.7 increased the amount of "perfected" games by 40 times - a very, very generous hypothetical - that's still less than 50% of the library in 22 years. This also ignores the increased input lag as well.

[Anonymous No.10790570]

>>10790071
>>10789319
These days when they mean that it's just playable but not 100 perfect it's just about very minor things like the wrong interlace field during a cutscene, or some camera shake that uses some framebuffer overscan tricks that doesn't show properly on default settings but can be easily enabled.
PCSX2 is the GOAT

[Anonymous No.10790572]

>>10790091
1.6 users need to stop posting in these threads. Your knowledge is out of date by 1.5 years

[Anonymous No.10790580]

>>10786552
Well, yeah, with an emulator you can only play the games. If you want to buy overpriced pieces of plastic that you never intended to play because you think that maybe you'll sell them at an even higher price in a few years, PCSX2 will be completely useless to you.

[Anonymous No.10790623]

>If you have the space for a CRT, get one and use a real softmodded PS2
>If you can only play on LCDs, emulate on your PC

Both methods coexist and depend on your circumstances

[Anonymous No.10790637]

>>10790623
I own a CRT and a real PS2 but I'm too lazy to dig it out and hook it up so emulating on PC works fine for me.

[Anonymous No.10790696]

>>10786552
no

[Anonymous No.10790910]

>>10790580
Imagine seething over buying games for an inexpensive console that has easy methods for downloading and playing all the games on real hardware

[Anonymous No.10791316]

>>10790637
Why wouldn't you just keep it hooked up?

[Anonymous No.10791454]

>>10786552
emulation. is. fucking. illegal.

[Anonymous No.10791492]

Yeah im sure the scalper on Ebay is gonna share 20 percent to the dev team for panzer dragoon, retard

[Anonymous No.10791494]

You mean there are just... people engaging in commerce? Without me? And without asking me?

[Anonymous No.10791521]

>>10791454
sure sweety

[Anonymous No.10792910]

>>10791454
nice try, plumber boy

[Anonymous No.10794338]

>>10786552
I don't use it, so I don't know.
Is it possible to make stuff that was only released in 4:3 become 16:9 without stretching? It not then I don't see the point really...

[Anonymous No.10794350]

>>10788058
Just build a gbsc you spastic CRTranny

[Anonymous No.10794358]

>>10786552
input lag is the worst of any emulator ive used. hot shots fore is unplayable

[Anonymous No.10794381]

>>10794338
Almost every game has a widescreen patch yeah and from personal experience they all work well. The ones that don't have the patch usually had 16:9 built in the game settings already.
But I play in 4:3 because I don't mind black bars and increasing the aspect ratio of games that weren't meant for it leads to seeing things the player was never meant to.

[Anonymous No.10794586]

>>10794381
Built in 16:9 modes like the ones found in FFXII and AC4 are almost universally vertical- than cut off the top and bottom

[Anonymous No.10794658]

>>10787894
Can you play ps1 games on a ps2 using this method too? How much more space would you need for the ps1 library?

[Anonymous No.10794660]

>>10786552
Real PS2 has more soul.

[Anonymous No.10794665]

>>10788397
Careful with that slim model, they're known for scratching discs with the orange ribbon in the laser.
I used some tape to stick most of it down but still push it down GENTLY if I use it but it's still not a sure thing. That's why I prefer using the fat PS2, no scratch risk.

[Anonymous No.10794715]

>>10794658
The PS1 mode of a PS2 disables a ton of the features, so you can't load games from the HDD or USB or anything like that.
You'd have to burn backups to CDs, and then have your console able to read those backups.
The earliest models can use the Tonyhax exploit to bypass disc security checks and the later models can use Mechapwn.

[Anonymous No.10795036]

>>10794660
I fell for this "soul" meme once

[Anonymous No.10795097]

>>10794715
Oh I see
After snoopin around a little bit, I think this Xstation thing looks more like what I'm looking for for ps1 specifically. One thing I'm wondering though is how these various console mods compare to something like MiSTer. I've fucked around with emulation since the early 2000s, but for whatever reason just never got in to console modding

[Anonymous No.10795102]

>>10786560
imagine approximating a game while using the controller and playing it

[Anonymous No.10795186]

>>10795036
>soul
>meme

[Anonymous No.10795265]

>>10795097
So, MiSTers use FPGAs to attempt to emulate the consoles on a hardware level as opposed to traditional software emulators.
They CAN be more accurate than software emulation, but they aren't always.
It's also very much a budding field, so there are plenty of inaccuracies which are being hammered out constantly and you'll only be able to emulate up to the PS1.
If you want the singular most authentic and accurate way to play PS1, then it will always be an ODE (like the xStation) installed in an original PlayStation plugged into a CRT.
A MiSTer has plenty of QoL features, but it will not be perfectly accurate to the original console because it is still emulation at the end of the day.
The trade-off obviously is the MiSTer is attempting to be a one-size-fits-all solution and is very flexible for playing various consoles and outputting a variety of analog and digital signals.

[Anonymous No.10795312]

>>10791316
Life happens, that's why.
>>10791454
Get bent.

[Anonymous No.10795385]

>>10787894
PCSX2 works very good for being a free way to play PS2 games lmao. It "not being the solution" when you need to download mods made by indians to do basic shit like deinterlacing lmao.
And even then, why the fuck do real hardware niggers do everything in their power to remove the original hardware. 480i looks fine if you're not an autistic faggot. Composite video looked just fine when you were 9 years old and your parents weren't divorced. Probably looks just as good now.
Good fucking God this website is for the most whiny retards in the world. Crying because things aren't perfect without any ability to articulate what's wrong.
Fuck you faggot.
Mods should ban all these retarded threads.

[Anonymous No.10795580]

>>10795312
Does the truth hurt little one? These companies have entertained you through your whole life. You owe them recompense.

You have put your heroes on a pillar of clay.

And the storm is coming...

[Anonymous No.10795590]

>>10786552
There's only like 20 something games that are actually worth playing on PS2. The rest of the library is shovelware trash or eurojank.

[Anonymous No.10795667]

>>10789319
If you genuinely think all the enhancements are offset by the fact that there's a single slightly offset shader in one area for now then boy

[Anonymous No.10795681]

>>10795590
>tired tendo cope

[Anonymous No.10796920]

>>10795580
stfu moralfag

[Anonymous No.10797614]

>>10788658
the DualShock 4 has official drivers for both Mac and Linux. Only Wincucks have to deal with Steam or DS4Windows.

[Anonymous No.10797620]

>>10789319
most games in the
>playable
category are there because of a few graphical glitches or one or two bugs that require manual intervention or software mode to fix. A lot of them actually run perfectly on later builds of PCSX2 but haven't been updated on the wiki.

[Anonymous No.10798835]

>>10786552
The only problem left with PCSX2 is it doesn't do integer scaling, and the y axis is always stretched (most games ran at 448i rather than 480i).

So you have to use bilinear filtering to hide the stretchmark artifacts, even in software mode.

[Anonymous No.10798837]

>>10788579
>i didn't set up the input lag reduction feature in the GUI
Maybe you should have
>>10788648
It was fixed years ago. First it was an option in the INI but now it's in the GUI.
It's not enabled by default though so you have to actually use your brain and eyeballs.

[Anonymous No.10798902]

>>10794381
The use of widescreen patches is strongly discouraged since it most definetely will corrupt your savefile.

[Anonymous No.10798906]

>>10798835
>The only problem left with PCSX2 is it doesn't do integer scaling
I thought this place was like /v/ but with smart people

[Anonymous No.10798976]

>>10788723
Why not? It would be right up your street

[Anonymous No.10798985]

>>10798906
It's a recent edition to be fair, the real problem is the antiquated selection of deinterlacing options

[Anonymous No.10799061]

>>10786592
woah
very Baudrillardian

[Anonymous No.10799074]

>>10786557
no one cared about interlacing when the 6th gen was new
99% of people used composite

[Anonymous No.10799142]

You lot are genuine faggots. I just downloaded the latest build of PCSX2, the bios files, and a few games and shit just worked straight out the box. Why does this bored lie so much about the stupidest shit?

[Anonymous No.10799148]

>>10786559
>>10788742
when humanity transcends the mortal coil of flesh and enters digital transcendence, i will look down on your kind and laugh
all of your physical playthings left behind... worthlessly collecting dust in the world we used to inhabit... and there i'll be, already launching isos from my digital palace

[Anonymous No.10799463]

>>10787912
Those still have PS1 hardware in them, retard.

[Anonymous No.10799485]

>>10799463
Not completely. PS2s and early PS3s with PS2 backwards compatibility have a PS1 CPU and SPU on-board. The GPU, however, is emulated in software. That said, the end result is virtually identical with an actual PS1. Later PS3s, those without PS2 backwards compatibility, handle PS1 games entirely through software emulation, and it really shows. I played Klonoa on my PS2 and PS3 back to back recently. The PS2 was flawless, while the PS3 had a bunch of audio issues and sprite flickering.

[Anonymous No.10799616]

Tfw /vr/ hates owning retro consoles and would rather use emulation.

[Anonymous No.10799630]

>>10799616
There is no group of hobbyists who deride and devalue their own interest to the degree that gamers do to video games. It's kind of depressing desu.

[Anonymous No.10799647]

I guess this is as good a place as any to ask.
Anybody know if you can use the MemCard Pro 2 in conjunction with Tonyhax on a PS2 to auto-load the save exploit? Follow-up, will the card recognize the backup disc you swap in and change for that game automatically or will it assume it's still Tony Hawk?

[Anonymous No.10799967]

>>10786559
Based original hardware anon. Emufags are lashing out because only 1/4 of their games work without any issues.

[Anonymous No.10799969]

>>10799142
You're the lying faggot. Only 1% of the library functions perfect and you're gonna pretend whatever crap you played ran out of the box? No setting adjustments? No patch? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10800008]

>>10795385
>Composite video looked just fine when you were 9 years old and your parents weren't divorced
That's because we were playing on CRTs or had young eyes anon.
>>10795590
Maybe the most retarded take I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.10800027]

>>10799647
You can set a default memory card to load on every boot, I have a fmcb payload with all the commonly used homebrew apps like opl, grimdoomers opl, ule, etc. Without OPL booting the games it uses the previously ran game as its default memory card.

[Anonymous No.10800094]

>>10799969
>2080S
>i9-9900K
>64GB Ram, 3600.

Games tested
>Tekken 5
>DJ - Fight For NY
>Urban Reign
>MGS2
>We <3 Katamari

Only thing I bothered to do is upscale to 2K. All of them ran fine.

[Anonymous No.10800105]

>>10799969
Retard. PCSX2 has had automated per-game settings for ages at this point. It's only terminal brainlets like you still using the last "stable" version from four years ago who need to adjust anything any more.

[Anonymous No.10800260]

>>10800094
>5 games means anything
>>10800105
Why would I move to nightly builds that are unstable. Sure you have per game features but the emulator itself will be even buggier retard

[Anonymous No.10800349]

>>10800027
Yeah, I was just wondering if it could auto-load the card for a legit PS1 game to do a save exploit then when swapping the disc with Tonyhax if it'd also detect the CD-R backup.
If not then I'd have no problem manually changing it.

[Anonymous No.10800361]

>>10800260
The PCSX2 guys are just being autistic about it.
The nightlies are perfectly stable, have a much better GUI, and run games much better.

Just try it out instead of being a whiny cunt.

[Anonymous No.10800364]

>>10800260
>Why would I move to nightly builds that are unstable
Stop with this bullshit. They are not unstable and never have been.

[Anonymous No.10800365]

>>10798985
>It's a recent edition to be fair
2 years is recent?

[Anonymous No.10800380]

>>10800260
How old is the latest 1.6 stable at this point? 4 years? 5 years? You are the retard

[Anonymous No.10800394]

>>10798985
>the real problem is the antiquated selection of deinterlacing options
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.10800438]

>>10800365
For the average user it is. Most people are going to emulate a few times a year at best for one game and won't even think of updating.

[Anonymous No.10800441]

>>10795385
>Crying because things aren't perfect
but they are.

in the form of original hardware and upscalers/hdmi mods.

[Anonymous No.10800586]

>>10799148
>digital palace
top kek

[Anonymous No.10800604]

>>10799616
>>10799630
Anyone with half of a brain cell knows that there are practical applications for both. I don't understand all of this tribal warfare nor do I dispute the points made. However, when prices are outrageous for an in demand, quality title, I'll emulate. I'll then beat the game, and give no fucks about how I played, enjoyed potentially, and subsequently beat the game. That being said, Owning physical hardware, and utilizing when applicable, is great too. Again, all this tribal warfare. Either or. Just enjoy your damn games however you want? One isn't playing with everyone else, unless streaming or whatever. Enjoy them however, for goodness sake.

>inb4 entertainment
>inb4 fun
>inb4 ok boomer
am 39

I just wish certain aspects of the community weren't so megalomaniacal about others gaming semantics.

[Anonymous No.10800612]

>>10786558
What games are those? I know they managed to get Ratchet & Clank to run okay now but I'm curious to know what else doesn't work

[Anonymous No.10800841]

>>10796920
So you admit that you have no morals. Lovely. *sigh*

[Anonymous No.10800862]

>>10800260
What games are you so interested in friend? I'd think, and just go with me here, if you weren't so fucking brain dead moronic, that'd you'd move to the nightly build which receives updates sometimes 3 times per day; the nightly build is just so they can push updates whenever they feel like it, which is often times daily. You know, move to the thing being updated.. Since, as they've said, they're not going to bother releasing another "stable" build going for.

Yeah, sure, I mean, it's only got both the PCSX2 team and the DuckStation team working on it now, but yeah, go with the 4 year old stable build.

Really smart stuff here.

[Anonymous No.10800880]

>>10786552
I know it probably wasn’t your intent, but Jesus this is the worst fucking thread on /vr/ just how idiotic 90% of the anti-emulation answers are. Emulation is fine, games are for fun, and if you’re having fun then you’re doing it right.
Check a compatibility list for games you’re interested in, if they have major deal breaker problems, consider grabbing an actual ps2 and a freemcboot memory card/cheap hdd or the game itself since ps2 games don’t tend to be that expensive as of now.

[Anonymous No.10800905]

>>10800841
gb2r

[Anonymous No.10800909]

>>10800905
*chuckles* I see the child is attempting to type.

Cute.

Young one, I know you think you're "too good" to pay for your entertainment. To consume art LEGALLY, like the rest of us adults do. I know you think you're "sticking it to the man" by pirating.

Well, let me educate you.

You're not.

By illegally downloading games, you are literally spitting in the face of the artists who have created it.

Would you spit on the Mona Lisa?

Would you spit on the Sistene Chapel?

Sit down kid. You're out of your league.

[Anonymous No.10800910]

>>10786552
Yes.

[Anonymous No.10800915]

>>10800909
Some people might call you a faggot, but I appreciate your creative writing and I hope to see more posts by you in the future :)

[Anonymous No.10800953]

>>10800915
Yeahhh.

Slurs don't make you funny.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that.

[Anonymous No.10800969]

>>10791454
no it isn't. piracy is illegal. emulation is not

[Anonymous No.10800976]

>>10800909
>By illegally downloading games, you are literally spitting in the face of the artists who have created it.

this is such a bad take, these games are so old a. half the companies making these games don't exist anymore and they don't see a penny of the money coming in being spent on such games
b. none of these games are sold new. none of the money, again, goes to the people who made these games. they go to the scalper who happened to buy the game back in the day who is reselling said game.
c. most real artists do not care if you pirate their software. they want people to enjoy the experience they've painstakingly created, whether they'll make money from it or not. it's almost always the publisher or head of the company that truly cares about the profits. the fact you want to call other people children because they "can't pay like a real man to enjoy the art" goes to show how little you enjoy art yourself. you treat "paying for a game" like a ticket into an elitist idea that because you paid for it, only you should get to play it, when that goes against art itself.

[Anonymous No.10800978]

>>10800976
>they go to the scalper who happened to buy the game back in the day who is reselling said game.
You don't know what the word 'scalping' means.

[Anonymous No.10801006]

>>10800909

[Anonymous No.10801051]

>>10800260
>Why would I move to nightly builds
Holy fucking shit, you actually are retarded lmao

[Anonymous No.10801069]

>>10800978
Okay faggot, Dictionary then.

[Anonymous No.10801109]

>>10801069
What is the "official rate" of a 30 year old game?

[Anonymous No.10801120]

>>10801109
Brand new most PS2 games were $50, so if you're paying less than $88 for a PS2 game it's a steal.

[Anonymous No.10801131]

it never gets less frustrating watching people who don't know shit about integrated hardware and software development argue about emulation. just knock it off already.

[Anonymous No.10801136]

>>10801120
Inflation aside, I get the feeling most people who throw the term "scalper" around would would have a proper melty if Ratchet & Clank jumped to $35.

>>10801131
Seethe, emutranny.

[Anonymous No.10801139]

>>10799148
I'll be dead and gone so I won't care. I buy physical things for my physical me in this physical now.

[Anonymous No.10801141]

>>10801136
>he assumes I have a horse in the race because he is illiterate and dangerously biased
knock it off already

[Anonymous No.10801157]

>>10801141
You obviously have a horse in the race because you're "frustrated" by online discussion about a relatively benign topic. You're obviously a tranny because you decided to accompany your post with a sad anime girl gif.

Again: seethe, emutranny. You're not fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.10801167]

>>10799148
>he thinks he will still care about trivial things on the scale of infinity
You will not qualify for transcendence

[Anonymous No.10801178]

>>10801157
I am truly astounded by how many assumptions you are willing to build your statements on. How does anyone tolerate you in real life?

[Anonymous No.10801201]

>>10801178
>I am truly astounded by how many assumptions you are willing to build your statements on.
I'm right, though.

>How does anyone tolerate you in real life?
Not sure. How do you tolerate the world outside your bedroom when you're so fucking sensitive you get "frustrated" by people talking about video game emulators on an internet forum?

[Anonymous No.10801206]

>want to play co op with someone
>other guy can't use parsec cause he has comcast and comcast hates everything

[Anonymous No.10801207]

>>10801201
You are not, which I thought was implied when I started joshing you about wild assumptions. Fuck you're dense.

[Anonymous No.10801216]

my game carts
>inb4 butt mad anti emu feg copium

[Anonymous No.10801223]

>>10786552
Cold weather = time for some battlefront 2 on the best console of all time and soon the best console emulator of all time.

[Anonymous No.10801228]

>>10801207
I still think you're a tranny - heavily autistic part-time cross-dresser at a minimum - but your earnestness is making me feel guilty for being mean to you. I'll stop. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Anonymous No.10801230]

>>10801131
Based

[Anonymous No.10801232]

>>10801228
You must /b/ lost

[Anonymous No.10801258]

>>10801232
im betting its some troll and you've just been feeding him.
Or maybe he is that fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.10801530]

>>10801178
no one does tolerate him in real life, which is why he feels the need to come and exercise his frustration and be callous to anonymous people he will never truly know or meet

[Anonymous No.10801587]

>>10788865
Only 3k? Bad investment

[Anonymous No.10801629]

>>10795385
The issue is not whether 480i looks fine, it's that 480i video input to HDTVs tends to suck for playing video games. Actually at least older ones from when SD broadcasts were common usually have really good looking deinterlacing but it's also super fucking laggy, which mind you doesn't seem to bother PCSX2 users anyways.

>>10798906
That doesn't integer scale the raw pixel output it integer scales the 4:3 aspect ratio adjusted output which is totally fucking useless. I can take non-aspect corrected screenshots but it has no uncorrected display mode.

[Anonymous No.10801693]

>>10798837
lmfao you just fixed the only thing I hated about this gosh danged emulator.

[Anonymous No.10801714]

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10801883]

>>10801629
>That doesn't integer scale the raw pixel output it integer scales the 4:3 aspect ratio
That's where you are wrong. I don't care if you use or the 5 year old stable or rolling dev. I really don't kek.

[Anonymous No.10802104]

>>10798902
That sounds like bullshit. I can't find anything about this other than a forum post from a decade ago from a rando guessing it caused his save file to get corrupted. Also never experienced it.

[Anonymous No.10802108]

>>10801883
1.7.5 still only has 4:3, 16:9, or stretched retard. Maybe I could set a CRT monitor to a x896 resolution.

[Anonymous No.10802205]

>>10800909
yikes, I see your triggered. Begone now. I've grown bored of you.

[Anonymous No.10803197]

>>10786559
can't you just connect a DVD drive to your pc?

[Anonymous No.10803604]

>>10801629
>That doesn't integer scale the raw pixel output it integer scales the 4:3 aspect ratio adjusted output
...so you're saying it integer scales. Do you know what an integer is?

You seem to want nearest neighbor scaling. That's a setting enforced by your graphics card drivers, it has nothing to do with the software you're using.

[Anonymous No.10803676]

>>10803604
Retard.

PS2 games use 512x448 and 640x448 for NTSC SD. PCSX2 stretches it to 640x480 as "native" resolution no matter fucking what using either nearest neighbour with duplicated lines or blurry bilinear, which is fine for using it on modern displays that don't use NTSC PAR, but prevents getting an actual native or non-interpolated video image out of it, at least with any of the UI settings. The vertical stretch option also only works in integers so you can only get 446 or 451 lines and not 448. The one option I haven't tested because it's major fucking pain in the ass is setting a monitor to an arbitrary resolution like 2560x896 and stretching to to fill in which case it should theoretically line double just because it has no other choice, but for a TV you're just fucked.

The integer scaling option has absolutely no bearing on any of this, all it does is limit it to scaling to 1280x960, 1920x1440, 2560x1920, and so on instead of stuff like 960x720, 1400x1050, 1440x1080 and 2880x2160 to reduce horizontal blurring of 640x448 games (and the couple of 320x224 ones for that matter).

You can easily prove all this by launching a game in windowed, taking a desktop grab of it, and taking a PCSX2 screenshot with screenshot size set to "Internal Resolution (No Aspect Correction)" and seeing they are not the same. This is with bilinear turned off so you can see the jagged ass duplicated lines.

[Anonymous No.10803768]

>>10803676
I decided to test this and while you're right in that the resolution is off, it isn't 640x480, it's smaller than native. The internal screenshot like you said is actually larger, and an actual 640x480 image is shown to the side for comparison. Integer scaling shrinks the image.

[Anonymous No.10803803]

>>10790570
Those minor things are unacceptable when you can play on real hardware and not experience them. Emulation that isn't fully accurate is shite for zoomers.

[Anonymous No.10803821]

>>10803768
So what's going on there is on hardware renderers it downscales 512x448 to 512x384 to force 4:3 instead of upscaling to 640x480 like it does in software mode, which is a detail I forgot about.

[Anonymous No.10803838]

>>10803197
all of my keks

[Anonymous No.10803871]

>>10800612
Another anon, but Siren 2 had terribly broken visuals if you played on non-native res. Dunno if it fixed now, but it was like this for a very long while.

[Anonymous No.10804801]

>>10803803
I enjoy upscaling those games to HD. I can overlook minor imperfections. Haven't turned on my PS2 hardware for 9 years now.

[Anonymous No.10804858]

>>10786552
My DualShock 3s barely hold a charge anymore so when playing PS2 I'll just play on PS2. Gamecube I'll just emulate and I try out Xbox emulation for shits but mostly play that on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.10804884]

>>10804858
try this driver
https://github.com/nefarius/DsHidMini

Wired DualShock 3 is recognized as DualShock 2, ideal for PCSX2 and it doesn't need charging.

[Anonymous No.10804889]

>>10804884
Yeah I use that and the odd time I'll leave them connected to charge up to play from the couch. Just have to connect it again if I don't play for a week.

[Anonymous No.10805583]

>>10802104

[Anonymous No.10806006]

>>10786552
Many toasters, that can run PC games of the same era just fine, cannot run any old PS2 game.

PS2 architecture is so fucked up that my PC can run San Andreas with the Open Limit Adjuster and a cacophony of 82 scripts but the second I try to emulate it the CPU just gives up.
Also, as stated earlier in the thread, there are certain games that will seemingly never emulate well. Ones I consider very dear to me.

[Anonymous No.10806010]

>>10799148
>Thinks killing himself and letting an AI take his place is intimidating.

You're just going to die, retard. That's what you'll experience if you go through with it.

[Anonymous No.10806679]

>>10805583
kek, I assume he used his old trusty 1.6 stable

[Anonymous No.10806690]

The emufag inferiority complex will never not be funny.

[Anonymous No.10806931]

>>10805583
>>10806679
Tech illiterate zoomers, get out