PS2 BC on PS3

[Anonymous No.10780375]

To anybody hunting down a Phat PS3 for truly accurate PS2 gameplay, I'd seriously recommend using the software emulation on a PS3 slim instead:
>Phats are extremely prone to failure
I can't possibly say anything that hasn't already been said; these things are just unreliable.
>Phats are expensive
For the price of a Phat (even a bad condition one afflicted with YLOD) you could buy a Slim + an actual PS2 WITH MONEY TO SPARE/
>There's many games that run MORE accurately on Slims than Phats
These include Black, the Burnout games, Cold Fear, Crash Tag Team Racing, Crazy Taxi, Gitaroo Man, Persona 3 & 4, the Prince of Persia games, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, etc.
>There's many games that are UNPLAYABLE on Phats but work on Slims
These include Area 51, Battle Stadium D.O.N., Growlanser Generations, Ibara (bloody good game this one), La Pucelle: Tactics, Myst III, various Naruto games, Orphen: Scion of Sorcery, SVC Chaos, Spartan: Total Warrior, Secret Agent Clank, Spy vs Spy, SSX, Revenge of the Sith, Outrun 2/2006, and Yakuza.
>For games that don't work/have issues on Slims, there is most likely a native PS3 port anyway
Which is likely why these ports were developed, instead of just being sold as PS2 Classics on PSN.

My PS3 Slim is my primary machine for playing PS2 on a CRT and it's been an excellent experience. Rarely do I have to fall back on my PS2!

[Anonymous No.10780387]

What's the advantage of playing PS2 games on a PS3 in the first place?

[Anonymous No.10780405]

>>10780387
No need to buy a clown gadget like retrotink

[Anonymous No.10780418]

isnt there a CPU mod where you can swap a later models into a phat? i got a phat for $20 last year for the hell of it and have a beat to shit slim i found in a cemetery so i was thinking of trying it.

[Anonymous No.10780469]

>>10780375
Using a slim PS3 to play PS2 is hypercope. PCSX2 is unironically better. Acquiring a PS2 should be no issue given that some 150 millions of it were sold.

[Anonymous No.10780495]

>>10780375
How about you don't use a PS3 at all retard.

[Anonymous No.10780496]

>>10780375
Protip: There's no need to convert PS2 ISOs to PKG anymore. It's real simple now:
>Open PS2 Classics GUI
>click Encrypt tab > select ISO > click Encrypt > click Yes to append LIMG segment > (wait)
>If it asks for a config file, just click cancel
>Name the .ENC file whatever you want
>Copy the .ENC file to dev_hdd0:\PS2ISO folder on your PS2
>Refresh games list and restart
It couldn't be easier, bros.

[Anonymous No.10780502]

>>10780496
>PS2ISO folder on your PS2
Fuck I meant PS3.

[Anonymous No.10780505]

>>10780375
I have 2 working CECHA PS3s, one JP and one US. Having every PS1-PS3 game I want to play on 1.5 TB of space, uncompromised and in HD, all playable with a wireless controller, is nothing short of amazing. That's the main reason to get a fat PS3, specifically the launch models for the best compatibility.

[Anonymous No.10780506]

>>10780505
the ps3 isnt region locked

[Anonymous No.10780514]

>>10780506
Only for PS2 games and I put CFW on both anyway. The JP one I got first and it is in better condition.

[Anonymous No.10780518]

>>10780496
The file extension has to be .BIN.ENC. Not just .ENC

[Anonymous No.10780552]

>>10780505
You must love JRPGs. Enjoy your lag.

[Anonymous No.10780563]

>>10780496
You have to mount them in multiman first though, right?

[Anonymous No.10780576]

>>10780563
Yeah, just go to:
webMAN Games > Playstation 2 > pick the game > PS2 Classic Launcher
Oh wait, I forgot that part. You have to install PS2 Classic Launcher too. There's a github somewhere.

[Anonymous No.10780585]

>>10780375
It's nice that you can actually play PS2 discs on slim PS3's now but it sucks how complicated it is.

>Make sure PS2 classics placeholder and custom configs are installed
>Put PS2 disc in drive
>Make sure webman fan speed is set to syscon or else launching multiman consistently crashes the console
>Rip disc with multiman
>Then switch to CFW mode
>Then encrypt the PS2 iso
>Then go into file manager and delete old unencrypted iso to save space
>Then rename iso.bin.enc file with SLUS/SLES title ID included or it won't load the custom config and the game will play like shit or not play at all
>Finally go back to PS3 home menu, get Webman to scan for games, reboot the console, and finally launch your game from Webman

I wish there were a specific homebrew app that streamlined or automated this process at-least to some degree but I doubt the interest is there from the few PS3 homebrew devs still out there. Better than nothing though fuck Sony for taking away backwards compatibility especially when it's now proven that every PS3 model is perfectly capable of playing the majority of the PS2 library without much problem.

[Anonymous No.10780689]

>>10780375
Wait you can play PS2 stuff on a Slim? What's the point though if you're using emulation? Is it better emulation than PCSX2?

[Anonymous No.10780697]

>>10780689
It's a convenient way to play PS2 on a CRT, and up until a few years ago it was arguably better than PCSX2. It'll run most PS2 games with little to no issues, but there's also games that the PS3 definitely isn't cut out to emulate.

[Anonymous No.10780704]

>>10780585
It's just like using Retroarch!

[Anonymous No.10780827]

>phats are unreliable

I have a 45nm chip with new caps and thermal paste. Its silent.

>expensive

I got mine for like $150

>games that run more accurately

Wrong

>games that are unplayable

Also wrong

My PS3 is the ultimate HD device for my PS library. Do you not have PS3 phat money op?

[Anonymous No.10780838]

you get input lag when using the ps3 to play ps1/ps2 games

[Anonymous No.10780851]

>>10780375
I have a ps1 for my ps1 Games
A ps2 for my ps2 games
A ps3 for my ps3 games
>the idea
Is that there all gonna burn at one point and I don't want to be out of 3 libraries when one dies

[Anonymous No.10780871]

>>10780469
This. OP is incredibly misguided and gay.

[Anonymous No.10780917]

>>10780827
>I got mine for like $150
I got my Slim for $14. Like I said, you can get a Slim and an actual PS2 for less than a PS3 Phat
>Wrong
Did you do any research, or just assume it plays everything perfectly?
>Also wrong
Did you do any research, or just assume it plays everything perfectly?

[Anonymous No.10780931]

>>10780917
Did you do any research, or just assume the slim emulator is anything remotely close to accurate?

[Anonymous No.10780934]

>>10780375
You do know that you can buy a 3rd-party HDMI cord for the PS2 that cleans up the graphics as much as possible for those odl games, don't you?

[Anonymous No.10781071]

>>10780934
A PS3 Slim is cheaper than PS2 + HDD adaptor + dodgy HDMI adaptor
>>10780931
Name one issue in GTA San Andreas

[Anonymous No.10781092]

PCXS2 is better than the Slim emulator. the slim emulator is shit.

[Anonymous No.10781154]

>>10780375
Can you do it on a super slim PS3?

[Anonymous No.10781164]

>>10781154
Yeah

[Anonymous No.10781181]

>>10780375
anyone using a ps3 for BC post 2012 is a fucking retard, genuinely.
>PS1 has 3 full frames of input lag, more depending on scaling
>PS2 has upwards of 5
Not to mention the dogshit emulation and the jet engine fan that runs at a set speed in PS2 mode.
Buy a PS2 or just use PCSX2 if you're gonna emulate either way you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.10781185]

>>10780405
>not building a gbs control for $20

[Anonymous No.10781217]

>>10781181
Real hardware has input lag too m8. Super Slims are quiet as hell too

[Anonymous No.10781226]

>>10781217
>Real hardware has input lag too m8.
What a genuine fucking retard you are.
as expected for this board of course.

[Anonymous No.10781229]

>>10780375
I never liked playing PS2 games on my phat PS3 anyway because the scaling didn't fill the top and bottom of the screen. Never actually tried it with a CRT though.

[Anonymous No.10781275]

>>10781226
>What a genuine fucking retard you are
Are you going to disprove the claim?

[Anonymous No.10781296]

>>10781275
NOOOO REAL HARDWARE HAS 0 FRAMES OF INPUT LAG BECAUSE UH PHYSICS IS A SPOOK

[Anonymous No.10781297]

I’ve got a set up PS2 with Freemcboot I don’t need anything else

[Anonymous No.10781310]

>>10781275
what the fuck does bing bing world 2 have to do with PS3 BC?
You really are a retard.

[Anonymous No.10781320]

>>10781310
>still hasn't refuted the claim
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.10781332]

ill just stick to pcsx2 it has given me zero problems so far aside from tiny graphical glitches that are very rare

[Anonymous No.10781346]

>>10780697
>It's a convenient way to play PS2 on a CRT
Why would you use a PS3 for that instead of a an actual PS2? The only real advantage that PS3 has over PS2 is the built-in high-quality HDMI output, which is completely unsuitable for the vast majority of CRTs. Blueretro allows you to natively connect a DualShock 3 and more to a PS2 nowadays. I use it with a wireless arcade stick, for instance.

>>10781275
You cannot just give me a graph like that without telling me what kind of controllers were used when you measure time from applying input. FYI clicky buttons on a controller will perceivably lower your input lag compared to rubber membrane ones.

[Anonymous No.10781370]

>>10781346
>Why would you use a PS3 for that instead of a an actual PS2?
My PS3 comes with a hard drive, and at that, a hard drive that doesn't make the console's fan go apeshit
>No breakdown on why input lag is impossible on a real PS2
Oh yeah Judenphysik gotcha, I concede

[Anonymous No.10781405]

Ps3 has added input lag because of the internal scaler it uses for BC games. Not sure if using CRT bypasses this

[Anonymous No.10781415]

>>10781370
>My PS3 comes with a hard drive, and at that, a hard drive that doesn't make the console's fan go apeshit
I just used an old laptop with a broken display and keyboard and set up an SMB server for OPL on it. The stuff that doesn't need high speed can go on USB stick instead.
>Oh yeah Judenphysik gotcha, I concede
I'm not the other person you're arguing with and I never claimed that real hardware has no input latency. In fact, I did some latency testing on real hardware myself in the past. The fact of the matter is that there are so many variables (type of controller used, type of TV used, type of input signal on that specific TV used, PAL vs NTSC game versions, etc.) that without testing your specific alternative use cases yourself, you will not get anywhere. In reality, input lag doesn't really matter for 95% of games (unless it's horribly bad to the point where you can easily feel it).

[Anonymous No.10781431]

>>10781415
PS2 Phats don't come with an ethernet port

[Anonymous No.10781441]

>>10781431
I have a PS2 Slim.

[Anonymous No.10781448]

>>10780375
>There's many games that run MORE accurately on Slims than Phats
How? Wouldn't something with an actual PS2 CPU be more accurate?

[Anonymous No.10781467]

>>10781448
Sometimes the PS3 firmware gods intervene

[Anonymous No.10781482]

>>10781448
CECHA and CECHB are nearly flawless when it comes to running PS2 games because they include both the CPU and the GPU from PS2. CECHC and CECHE are significantly worse because they only have the GPU, but still pretty good overall. CECHA and CECHB were never released in Europe, the only European PS3 models with any kind of official backwards compatibility are CECHC. Most reported problems come from people owning CECHC or CECHE who sometimes don't even know that CECHA and CECHB are significantly more accurate.

[Anonymous No.10781728]

>>10780375
How do i do that, bro?

[Anonymous No.10781871]

>>10780375
Test SoulCalibur III. If that game works well then MAYBE I can replace my PS2 with a PS3 because it would allow me to play on a CRT and record good-quality footage using HDMI at the same time. I have PS2 TO HDMI so right now I can do either of those things, but not both at the same time. Good quality, generic component to HDMI converters are ridiculously expensive.

[Anonymous No.10781893]

>>10781482
>CECHA and CECHB are nearly flawless when it comes to running PS2 games
They also have the biggest chance of dying. Think Xbox 360 RROD level chances. The only way to make them more reliable is to literally transplant the 65nm die shrunk chips to it from later consoles.

[Anonymous No.10782046]

>>10780704
No it isnt?

[Anonymous No.10782052]

>>10780375
Is the Super Slim hackable now?

[Anonymous No.10782149]

bunch of cope here
just get a PS2, there is no shortage of them
and build a dirt cheap gbscontrol if your not using a crt

[Anonymous No.10782774]

>>10782052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYPzNEYKOw
Yeah takes 5 minutes to install HEN
>>10781871
Soulcalibur III works but shadows and sun rendering are disabled

[Anonymous No.10782820]

>>10781893
Mines been working 18 years now. Just had to replace the thermal past back in 2015. Funny enough had to do that with a ps4 pro too.

[Anonymous No.10783130]

>>10782774
>Soulcalibur III works but shadows and sun rendering are disabled

PS3 phat wins again

[Anonymous No.10783191]

>>10780375
don't really see why you'd bother with how cheap a PS2 is (and how easy it is to get freehdboot running).

[Anonymous No.10783198]

>>10783191
A slim/super slim on Facebook is like 14 bucks, and comes with a hard drive. You can buy a PS2 in its own right for a similar price, but then you gotta buy the hard drive adaptor, and of course a hard drive

[Anonymous No.10783204]

>>10783191
>>10783198
Not to mention the PS2's fan goes apeshit when a hard drive is installed

[Anonymous No.10783236]

>>10783198
You don't need to buy a hard drive or an adapter if you buy a PS2 Slim and have another useless PC with relatively low power consumption or a way to connect your main PC to it. You can just stream game disc content through the network, the theoretical maximum speed of PS2 Slim's Ethernet port is actually higher than the speed of its DVD disc drive and there are no seek times, so it sometimes even reduces load times.

[Anonymous No.10783251]

>>10783236
>You don't need to buy a hard drive or an adapter if you have an even more involved setup
I hate the retard as much as you but you're not proving him wrong with this point.

[Anonymous No.10783258]

>>10780469
>Using a slim PS3 to play PS2 is hypercope.
This puts it best. The fuck are you doing to yourself? It's literally based off of old PCSX2 code from when the head guy went to Sony, you're just playing an ancient version when you could be playing a current one.

[Anonymous No.10783259]

>>10783258
>It's literally based off of old PCSX2 code from when the head guy went to Sony
Evidence?

[Anonymous No.10783297]

>>10783251
Hacking a PS3 is by itself much harder than hacking a PS2 THOUGH.

[Anonymous No.10783438]

>>10783297
???
You can set up the HEN CFW pretty easily on any PS3 system. All you need is a USB stick and the firmware to run it and if you follow the instructions, it's not difficult at all. Meanwhile, PS2 hacking is an actual chore. Have you ever actually hacked a PS3 before?

[Anonymous No.10783447]

>>10780827
>I have a 45nm chip with new caps

That is not an ordinary measure for people to take.

[Anonymous No.10783456]

I mean I would do this all, but the PS3 at max can only hold 1.5tbs. which is nothing when you consider PS1 (700mbs) games, ps2 games (4.7gbs) and ps3 games that can be over 8gbs potentially

[Anonymous No.10783463]

>>10783438
Nta, new PS2 advancements make it a helluva lot easier to put games on, but I do agree PS3 is easier to hack and put games on.

[Anonymous No.10783464]

>>10783456
Fair, but if you're using a CRT you should probably forget about PS1 on the PS3 cause no 240p

[Anonymous No.10783502]

PS2 with a HDD and freemcboot, on a Trini, or if no CRT, get the retrotink. All else is cope.

[Anonymous No.10783507]

Fell for the PHAT PS3 meme to play PS2 Games natively.

Did the whole process of recapping/thermal pasting ,etc.

After all was said and done, I got a used Retrotink and a slim PS2.

I now know that PS2 games look like fucking shit on a BC PS3. It's a fucking meme and it's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.10783514]

>>10783502
>retrotink
rofl

[Anonymous No.10783593]

>>10780496
>>10780585
you can just use isos on cfw but if your on hen you will still need to encrypt the isos

[Anonymous No.10783698]

>>10780375
If going this route why not just use PCSX2? You’re still running an emulator with input lag and other imperfections, but PCSX2 is far more compatible, runs on (likely cooler and quieter) devices you already own, and offers tons of graphical enhancements. Even if you’re a purist, you can run in software mode and significantly surpass the accuracy of the ps3 software emulator. What’s the appeal?

[Anonymous No.10783704]

>>10783456
CFW can read PS3 games off external storage and the PS3's USB ports are actually fast enough to keep up so in the very least you can offload that if it's bothering you and leave the internal storage for PS1 and PS2 games.

[Anonymous No.10783709]

>>10783704
I should add you're SOL for PSN and PKG PS3 games, though. You'll have to sacrifice some space for those but any PS3 ISOs can be kept off the console.

[Anonymous No.10784004]

>>10783438
PS2 hacking is just inserting a premade FMCB memory card you buy for dirt cheap from anywhere games are sold for, cant get easier than that

[Anonymous No.10784168]

>>10784004
You don't even need to do that if you have a DVD burner or a friend with another hacked PS2. You can either burn a FreeDVDBoot DVD and use it to copy files from a USB drive or take your memory card to a friend and copy the softmod files over. FreeDVDBoot doesn't work on Fats, but that's just another reason why Slim PS2s are superior IMO.

[Anonymous No.10784184]

>>10784168
i guess it depends on if you think spending money or time is easier but once fmcb is on a memory card your done

[Anonymous No.10784219]

>>10781229
that happens on a ps2 on a crt too.

[Anonymous No.10784223]

>>10784184
Nah need gaems with good boot sequence to boot CD, double layers etc

[Anonymous No.10784292]

>>10784219
It happens with every console. It actually has more to do with the display itself than with the console. Standard PAL and NTSC signal specs where there are TECHNICALLY 625 and 525 lines but some of them are always supposed to be blank are quite ridiculous and lead to issues like those, really. PC monitors were always much more sane in this regard.

[Anonymous No.10784661]

bump

[Anonymous No.10784704]

>>10780469
>Using a slim PS3 to play PS2 is hypercope
It's like using the 360 to play Xbox games, but worse. Sony has never had a good PS2 emulator (shit, look how broken and fucked up their current one is on PS5) so the only reason I can think of for sticking with any PS3 for PS2 games is if you either don't care about the quality of things or you can't afford to have both the PS3 and PS2 in your household at the same time.

>>10780505
>uncompromised
PS1 is emulated no matter the model. Even PS2s will emulate a good measure of the PS1 hardware through software means. That aside, you're still playing them using the worst Dualshock controller which is a considerable compromise.

[Anonymous No.10784716]

>>10783698
Hooks up to a CRT

[Anonymous No.10784724]

>>10784704
>It's like using the 360 to play Xbox games, but worse
The PS2 netemu is WAAAAY more accurate than Fusion, lol
>you either don't care about the quality of things or you can't afford to have both the PS3 and PS2 in your household at the same time
Funny, because you are wrong on both counts:

[Anonymous No.10784745]

>>10784724
>does it run flawlessly/near flawlessly on the netemu
Lop off the Yes branch because this never happened.

[Anonymous No.10784854]

>>10784716
crt filters exist

[Anonymous No.10785004]

>>10784745
Name one issue with San Andreas on the netemu.

[Anonymous No.10785036]

>>10780496
>click Yes to append LIMG segment
This has been superceded by LIGMA

[Anonymous No.10785385]

>>10780418
You can GPU swap from slims but it's difficult and very expensive. Your average hobbyist modder cannot do BGA rework. Also needs CFW so if you patched to latest sucks to be you

[Anonymous No.10785391]

>>10784704
Fat PS2 only emulates the GPU, it has the original CPU. The GPU emulation is pretty accurate with minimal bugs

[Anonymous No.10785406]

>>10785391
Some early Slims also have the PS1 CPU on board. And even Deckard emulating PS1 CPU is vastly more accurate than POPStarter emulating it fully in software in PS2 mode.

[Anonymous No.10785415]

>>10780418
You found a PS2 in a cemetery?

[Anonymous No.10785517]

>>10780405
but ps2 supported scart? couldnt you just get adapter for component? most tvs have mini components. or is the scaling fucked on it?

[Anonymous No.10785583]

>>10785385
>Your average hobbyist modder cannot do BGA rework.

There are hobbyist modders who do BGA rework as a hobby, I sold half a dozen broken PS3s to one a year ago.

[Anonymous No.10785608]

>>10785517
The best option to play PS2 on a TV with HDMI input is also the cheapest one called PS2 TO HDMI. It takes signal data from component lines and converts it to HDMI without processing or upscaling. The only serious downside is being unable to play 240p PS1 games.

[Anonymous No.10785627]

>>10780375
the fact that a ps3 can EMULATE ps2 but Sony still can't get a working ps3 emulator kek lmao

[Anonymous No.10785670]

>>10781405
I tried, but the console shuts itself off when loading a ps2 game. Ps1 games have zero input lag from what I can tell.

[Anonymous No.10785796]

>>10785627
Every talented engineer left Sony a long time ago and they can't just put RPCSX3 on their mainline consoles (even though they are powerful enough for it) because of legal issues. RPCSX3 is licensed under GNU GPL and its developers could theoretically sue them and demand the source code for the entire PS3 OS, claiming all of it as a derivative work. They would almost certainly lose, but Sony could be forced to disclose some details about the underlying system architecture anyway, details that could allow for easier jailbreaks. PCSX ReARMed used in PS Classic is also licensed under GPL, but they didn't risk nearly as much because they didn't care about people jailbreaking PS Classic.

[Anonymous No.10785798]

>>10785796
*PS5 OS
I'm a retard

[Anonymous No.10785813]

>>10785627
>but Sony still can't get a working ps3 emulator kek lmao
Who says they're even trying? Remasters are probably better for them

[Anonymous No.10785871]

>>10785608
Lmao no. It's a piece of shit with a lot of noise, deinterlacing artifacts and forced squeezing to 16:9. The cheapest option that looks somewhat good is a GBS-C

[Anonymous No.10785907]

>>10785871
>deinterlacing artifacts and forced squeezing to 16:9
r u dumb
It takes the 480i Component signal and makes it a 480i HDMI signal. It's literally impossible to have deinterlacing artifacts, because it doesn't deinterlace. Same with squeezing to 16:9.

[Anonymous No.10785918]

I wonder if removing PS2 support really made a difference in manufacturing costs

[Anonymous No.10785989]

>>10785907
>interlacing on a flatscreen

[Anonymous No.10786045]

Even mid-to-late phat revisions don't have full Emotion Engine. Only the 20-40gb black disktray models have it IIRC

[Anonymous No.10786301]

>>10780375
Lmao this is max cope. Sorry you can't:
>Afford a Phat, and clean/replace paste
>Afford a retrotink 5x
>Even afford a GBS-C
>Use a CRT
>Put a bios file into PCSX2
Why would you actively choose the absolute worst way to play PS2 games?

[Anonymous No.10786881]

>>10785583
Sure, but you cannot deny there is a large leap in autism between someone replacing a few capacitors, or installing an RGB kit, and someone willing to invest the resources into doing BGA reworks.

[Anonymous No.10787437]

>>10786301
>Sorry you can't use a CRT
Did you even read the OP?

[Anonymous No.10787493]

>>10785415
It's a common practice.

[Anonymous No.10787797]

>>10787437
>Can't use a PS2 on a CRT
Sorry, corrected myself. OP is still retarded.

[Anonymous No.10787826]

>>10787797
>Rarely do I have to fall back on my PS2!
OP has a PS2...

[Anonymous No.10787927]

>>10785871
>deinterlacing artifacts and forced squeezing to 16:9.
That's your TV's fault. Stop shilling overpriced garbage.

[Anonymous No.10788697]

>>10785036
i don't see that anywhere, is it a different program or something?

[Anonymous No.10788980]

fuck the ps3 it's slow as shit

[Anonymous No.10788982]

>>10787927
>>10785871
those piece of shit dongles crush blacks
just build a GBSc you'll never need another scaler ever again

[Anonymous No.10788985]

>>10784716
this is a fair use case, actually, I give you that. but judging by this thread I don't think most are doing that. I loaded up a PS2 emulator for shits and giggles, I was able to run the games at 8x native res (the highest it would go) with zero performance penalty. A couple games had visual glitches that way but software mode was absolutely perfect and also full speed in every game I tried. I'm running on a Mac here, which are notoriously shit for games, so any decent PC should be fine.

[Anonymous No.10789009]

>>10788982
>crush blacks
You are playing on a TV with HDMI, you have brightness and contrast control settings for sure. You got scammed by retrotubers, bro.

[Anonymous No.10789016]

>>10789009
if you can't see how fucking dogshit that webm you posted is, you shouldn't be allowed on this board
fuck off back to plebbit with your little adapter faggot

[Anonymous No.10789018]

>>10786301
How is it the worst?

[Anonymous No.10789416]

Do I lose anything by going with a Super Slim? Also: can I install HEN just with the 12GB of internal flash memory and then add an HDD later on?

[Anonymous No.10789552]

Last I heard, the PS3 always outputs a 640x480i or 640x480p signal for 480p or less signals. That means any game using 256x224p or other oddball 240p resolution or 512x448i will be scaled to fit that 640x480i/p output or scaled to 720p/1080p if you're using an HD display. Even if we assume zero lag and a 380p display that means the only games that won't have odd scaling issues would be precisely 240p, 640x480i, or 480p. The PS2 also allows you to enable a texture filter for PS1 games whereas the PS3 only allows you to enable a smoothing filter. The PS3 also does not have a fast disc speed option like the PS2 for PS1 games.
Assuming all of this is true, that means the only PS1 games you would want to play on a PS3 are ones that are precisely 240p/480i and do not benefit from texture filtering or fast disc speed features on a PS2.
The only PS2 games you would want to play on a PS3 would be strictly "normal" 480i/p. Games which need a hard drive might also be excluded though I've heard Resident Evil Outbreak is actually faster using a fast load feature in OPL than doing a hard drive install these fays.
If there is a serious lag consideration it might be excluded whether it be a PS1 or PS2 game but as far as I'm concerned my reflexes aren't so great in the first place.
Someone correct me if I've ignored any variables.

[Anonymous No.10789658]

>>10789416
If you just want to play games then a Slim is perfectly fine, but you can only install HFW like HEN. This means superuser shit like changing the controller bindings isn't possible. HEN installs to the NAND (technically NOR) so you don't need a hard drive to install it.
>>10789552
What's a 512px wide game I can test?

[Anonymous No.10790103]

>>10780827
>I got mine for like $150

Oooooh so cheap guys, how much did you paid for shipping....50$ more? Bitch you got robbed for an 18 year old console, dumbfuck.

Also enjoy no 240p

[Anonymous No.10790132]

>>10789658
>What's a 512px wide game I can test?
Going off of memory and hearsay but give the following a try in standard definition mode:
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Castlevania: Lament of Innocence
God of War
Drakengard
From what I've read these will not upscale bilinearly so every fourth pixel should duplicate.

[Anonymous No.10790214]

>>10789658
>What's a 512px wide game I can test?
For FUCK'S SAKE I'm looking through 512x448 images on desuarchive but 99% of the results are faggots who have upscaled Super Nintendo screenshots. Fuck off!

[Anonymous No.10790241]

>>10789658
https://tcrf.net/index.php?title=Category:PlayStation_2_title_screens&filefrom=Raidou-2-Titlescreen.png#mw-category-media

[Anonymous No.10790272]

>>10788697
Yeah there is a fork of the PS2 Classics GUI called Bophades, named after a Greek god I think

[Anonymous No.10790346]

>>10789552
>>10789658
I tested Sega Rally Championship 1995, a 512px wide game (the actual game is 496px wide windowboxed within 512px). There do not appear to be any scaling artefacts (these diagonals are a good example), so I believe the PS3 can handle 512x448 games.

[Anonymous No.10790428]

>>10780505
Pretty much this. I enjoy having all my PS1, PS2 and PS3 isos as well as arcade roms and NES/Snes/Sega/Atari roms all in one console. Plus my imported saves from decades ago. Getting the wireless controller and lying in front of a big ass TV without having to do anything else is maximum comfy.

[Anonymous No.10791052]

>>10790346
What if they display as 8:7 instead of 4:3? As in, what if it's 512 pixels within 640 pixels?

[Anonymous No.10791236]

>>10790346
Interesting. Analog component video at 480i with the PS3 output settings at 4:3, right? Maybe the info about forced 640 pixel width only applies at 480p progressive 4:3, which only works with component output.
>>10791052
Not a bad consideration. Good way to eyeball it would be running the same game on the same TV with both a PS2 and PS3 and seeing where the image centers. Not the most scientific approach but I'm aiming for speed lest the thread die as anons start doing actual tests.

[Anonymous No.10792742]

>>10791236
Composite at 480i indeed. Since it's analogue video, the aspect ratio switch doesn't actually do anything because any widescreen game is anamorphic anyway. the aspect ratio setting in XMB actually does something if you're using a PAL system like I am. Strangely, it serves as a PAL/NTSC switch, where 4:3 will output NTSC video and 16:9 will output PAL video. I have it set to 16:9 and the games come out as 4:3, though there are select games (Burnout 3 is one IIRC) that will output anamorphic 16:9 if the system aspect ratio is set to 16:9, even on a PS2.
>>10791052
Are there any 8:7 games that have ovals or something that are supposed to be stretched by the TV into perfect circles?

[Anonymous No.10792749]

>>10791236
Composite at 480i indeed. Since it's analogue video, the aspect ratio switch doesn't actually do anything because any widescreen game is anamorphic anyway. The aspect ratio setting in XMB actually does something if you're using a PAL system like I am. Strangely, it serves as a PAL/NTSC switch, where 4:3 will output PAL video and 16:9 will output NTSC video. I have it set to 16:9 and the games come out as 4:3 NTSC, though there are select games (Burnout 3 is one IIRC) that will output anamorphic 16:9 if the system aspect ratio is set to 16:9, even on a PS2.
>>10791052
Are there any 8:7 games that have ovals or something that are supposed to be stretched by the TV into perfect circles?

[Anonymous No.10792831]

>>10791052
>>10791236
>>10792749
Sega Rally may not be a perfect test since it actually emulates rather poorly (which is strange given what the netemu is capable of), but in terms of resolution it seems to be perfect.

[Anonymous No.10792854]

>>10792831
Yeah, I think you might be right that analog signals will always match the source material except for 240p signals which instead will be interlaced. I know Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is a 256x240 game for actual gameplay. I wonder if in analog video output mode the PS3 will output 512x448. At 640x480p it definitely will do some funkiness with the scaling to compensate.

[Anonymous No.10792876]

>>10792854
SotN is an even stranger case since it changes resolution several times:
>gameplay is 256x240
>title screen and FMV's are 512x240
>pause screen and file select are 384x240

[Anonymous No.10793268]

>>10785583
Can you read? said "average" not "none"
>>10785406
True, POPS is complete shit. Shouldn't be used unless there's not another option

[Anonymous No.10793672]

>>10788697
LIGMA balls

[Anonymous No.10793695]

I know is not PS2 related, but does anybody know if there is a fix for these PS1 games on PS3?

[Anonymous No.10793762]

>>10793268
There are games in which POPStarter runs excellently. In these cases, I'd rather plop the game on a USB than burn a CD.

[Anonymous No.10794696]

>>10780405
Can you turn a Raspberry Pi into a scaler?

[Anonymous No.10794775]

Nonsense in here, you cannot get it working on a PS3 super slim

[Anonymous No.10794778]

>>10794775
I have a Super Slim. What can't you get working?

[Anonymous No.10795602]

>>10794775
Bumping cause I wanna resolve this

[Anonymous No.10795678]

>>10780375
buy a fat PS2, put a HDD in and load isos via freemcboot
it's the cheapest solution in the long run.

[Anonymous No.10795687]

>>10795678
PS3 Slims and Super Slims go for $14 where I am; that doesn't even cover the cost of a PS2 network adaptor.

[Anonymous No.10795698]

>>10795687
why not just emulate on your PC at this point?

[Anonymous No.10795748]

>>10795698
Because I want to output to my CRT

[Anonymous No.10795760]

>>10795748
lol

[Anonymous No.10795772]

It's always such a shame Sony so easily dropped PS2 compability, would have been nice to have 3 gens of Playstation games ready to played at a moments notice like with the Xbone

[Anonymous No.10795781]

>>10794775
Use HEN and it works fine.

[Anonymous No.10796051]

>>10795678
The cheapest solution is actually buying a PS2 Slim and running an ethernet cable from your router to it, then configuring SMB hosting on your PC.

[Anonymous No.10796960]

>>10796051
SMB is super unsecure. It's very easy to find a dump of a game with malware in it that can be executed by the PS2, and then your whole network is infected

[Anonymous No.10797361]

Could we have a PS3 and XBOX360 thread on here? or would that era of gaming not be considered retro?

[Anonymous No.10797407]

>>10796051
>stutters

[Anonymous No.10797410]

>>10796960
Nigga who who tf is downloading random ISOs instead of anything No-Intro in 2024????

This is like ZSNES boogeymanism but worse

[Anonymous No.10797562]

>>10797361
You could make a thread about Xbox BC on 360, though it's considerably less accurate than the PS2 netemu

[Anonymous No.10798058]

>>10796960
>whole network is hacked because i downloaded a ps2 rom

wat

[Anonymous No.10798063]

>>10797562
The emulation for the OG Xbox on the Series consoles is pretty great, for the games supported.

[Anonymous No.10798140]

>>10780375
>buy a console to emulate
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
if im just going with emulation why wouldnt i just stick to my pc? why would i buy a console to then emulate another console?

[Anonymous No.10798959]

>>10798140
Did you read to the end?

[Anonymous No.10799654]

>>10798140
>My PS3 Slim is my primary machine for playing PS2 on a CRT

[Anonymous No.10801467]

>>10784219
I haven't used a launch PS3 for that since 2007 but really? I distinctly recall the difference between using that and my PS2 and the PS3 had the smaller picture. Wii mode on a Wii U reminded me of it.

[Anonymous No.10801473]

>>10801467
Could've also been the LCD I was using at the time handling signals differently.

[Anonymous No.10801582]

>>10801467
It depends on how much overscan your TV has, but many PS2 games ran at 448i which can produce letterboxing. Games like FF10 didn't even run at that tall a resolution, and so the letterboxing is unavoidable