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After a lifetime of ignoring arcades because of how complicated emulation is I recently gave it a chance. I realized everything I knew about retro games is a lie.
>Best looking pixel art games
>The games I thought were original are actually inferior ports.
>Overall Better controls thanks to joysticks
I guess you never talk about them because you don't know how to emulate mame. Disgusting.

>> No.10775935
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10775935

>The games I thought were original are actually inferior ports.
Welcome to enlightenment, brother.

>> No.10775943

>>10775925
You forgot
>everything is p2w trash
inb4 b-b-b-but muh le "'1 c c'" copium

>> No.10775947

>>10775925
I recently wanted to play a few things (stripjong shovelware) and I barely ever use MAME so I forgot how to, but all I had to do was change my folder paths as I already had a fullset. Then it just worked. I needed to remember a few hotkeys aside from TAB for menu and you can just easily find them in the input section.

I get the other issues people might have, but it's not really that hard to get running.

>> No.10776132

>>10775925
>I guess you never talk about them because you don't know how to emulate mame.
/vr/ doesn’t talk about them because they are console kiddies who never explored beyond two or three popular series

>> No.10776152

>>10775925
>I guess you never talk about them because you don't know how to emulate mame. Disgusting.
Quite an ego you got for simply just downloading some roms anon... Don't forget, you were a "pleb" just moments prior.

>> No.10776190

>>10775925
Emulating with MAME is easy retard.

>> No.10776192

>>10775935
The NES ports are objectively superior games. The aesthetics (both graphics and sound) are better despite the limitations, the aspect ratio is better, amd the gameplay feels smoother. Contra is a rare example of the home port being better.

>> No.10776209

>>10775925
Bait thread, gave it away with the picture

>>10775935
And here is the fish

>> No.10776213

>>10775925
>Best looking pixel art games
That would depend on the game. Metal Slug is gorgeous, but Haunted Castle is very rough.

>> No.10776248
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10776248

>>10776213
They were miles ahead.

>> No.10776256

>>10776248
Ok, but that isn't haunted castle, which has terrible sprites, both in terms of composition and animation.

>> No.10776260

>>10776256
Quit getting so hung up on the OP's image anon, the topic is arcade as a whole

>> No.10776276

>>10775925
though honestly haunted castle looks a little silly, the spritework doesnt feel like it compares to other CV games of the time. Simon's long hair in a tux is absurd, and his walk cycle makes him look like he's gotta take a shit.

>>10775947
do you use a dedicated controller for pornjong? Considering buying because I find it hard to remember sometimes which keys I set for chi/pon/etc.

>>10776209
you're probably right, but since this board is /v/ lite, OP may as well have had to do it in order to get anyone to give a fuck about this thread

Anyway, if this is arcade thread then say what you're playing recently. Months ago I was posting on here about how Gain Ground is fucking impossible to 1cc solo on hardest, and having had no time to play it lately, I still believe it's true. World 2 has some real bullshit levels. I don't think they ever designed this game to be winnable on a single credit at max difficulty. In fact I never even see playthroughs of the game on hardest online. It might just be impossible (or maybe nobody wants to constantly restart with just the first 3 warriors).

>> No.10776293

>>10775935
>>10775925
Congrats on smartening up to teenager in the 90s level computer skills. I played these in MAME when I was a kid. Also, pics not fucking related. The NES versions of these were far and away better.

>> No.10776302

homeboys. MAME never plays nice with my controllers--what gives? Sometimes it acts normal but if I switch to another game it'll get confused and it won't do anything, even if the controller is still paired to my PC. What do I do? Do I need to make MAME search for the same hardware ID every time?

>> No.10776304

>>10776260
Arcades were more powerful hardware and often had the A team making games for them; but "miles ahead" depends on when you are talking, and specific games. The one you posted has a release to a contemporary console that is very good, though of course held back by the downsides of the CD medium.

>> No.10776309

>>10776302
Never had this issue.
Make sure when you're editing your controls you're doing it for global and not just the one game.
Also, are you using MAME inside of Retroarch? If so stop, shit is broken.
Use something like Arcade64

>> No.10776310

>>10776302
>What do I do?
Get the improved emulator https://github.com/finalburnneo/FBNeo

>> No.10776313

>>10776310
Apples and oranges. FBNeo dosn't support a tenth of what MAME does.
I say this as someone who uses FBNeo all the time, especially for CV1000 games

>> No.10776412

>>10776276
No, considering that A-N is the standard for tiles you've got that covered. Sure it's not ideal in comparison to a real machine, but if you can touchtype it isn't much harder than mapping it to 1 row of keys.
I either relearn or remap calls, it's just 5 keys in most cases and it's not like I play it enough to warrant something special for it.

>> No.10776438

>>10776276
love me some gain ground. Never got far, but a classic for sure.

>> No.10776490

>>10775943
Hey just wanted to point out that you were ignored for the same reason arcades aren't p2w, interactions are a choice not an obligation

>> No.10776974

>>10776412
was thinking about it earlier and I realized on my kb I can count out 14 keys starting from the 1 key and going right, and delete becomes my base discard, so I'm just gonna go with that and assign keys for other functions based on romaji (p for pon, c for chii, etc.)

>> No.10776980

>>10776438
it's a great game, it's just fucking hard on highest difficulty (I guess that's what it should be but still...). I can't find anyone proving a 1cc is possible. You basically can't fuck up at all on later levels because then you have to save all 20 people and there just isn't time given how slowly most of the roster moves. So then you time over and your shit is done.

Maybe it's because I've been scumming a lot for practice, and I haven't really gone far in world 2 without losing my dudes; Do replacement warriors show up in later levels after you have all 20? Or are you fucked if you lose certain unique utility characters (ie. the two boomerang chicks). Does anybody know? Where do I gotta go to find a gain ground wizard?

>> No.10777628

>>10775925
Damn. It must really suck to live one of those 3rd world shitholes where all the arcades are full of "cabinets" that are littler more than cardboard computer desks. I'd certainly avoid going to arcades if was an ESL tard who lived in such a shithole.

>> No.10778384

Silly bait thread.
I was using mame like 20 years ago, it wasn't hard to set up.
Also, Haunted Castle is one of the worst Castlevania games sadly, at least it has cool music

>> No.10778631

>>10778384
>I was using mame like 20 years ago
Good for you.

>> No.10778683
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10778683

>>10775925
I wanna get into MAME but I don't feel like downloading fucking fullsets, especially when a new version comes out. Any tips?

>> No.10778758

>>10778683
>I wanna get into MAME but I don't feel like downloading fucking fullsets
Just get a full merged set, not like drive space is expensive
>especially when a new version comes out
Bro, you don't need to update when new versions come out. Just keep using what you've got. I only ever update my mame+roms every 2-3 years unless there is something specific that is new that I want, but any more thats rare. Just don't worry about it.

>> No.10778769

>>10775943
You can't pay to win in arcades
Your 10cc spam fest doesn't mean you won, it means the game beat you 10 times in a row

>> No.10778974

>>10778683
honestly just use fightcade.

>> No.10778991

>>10778683
You don't have to. The internet archive has sets from which you can download individual roms

>> No.10779031

I have played thousands of hours of arcade games.
Arcade is by far the most overrated gaming platform.

>> No.10779050

Also here is my list of most overrated to underrated gaming platforms

1. Arcade
2. Japanese PC (X68000, PC-98)
3. 8-bit computer (Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, MSX)
4. Early handhelds (GB through GBA, Game Gear)
5. DOS gaming
6. 1st to 6th gen consoles
7. /vr/ era Windows PC gaming
8. DS and later handhelds
9. Mobile gaming
10. Modern gaming in all forms

>> No.10779131

@10779050
Weak bait anon, come on
No (You) for you

>> No.10779156

>>10776213
While it may not be cutting edge like some other arcade games, like SEGA ones, Haunted Castle seems par course for 1987. Something like Rastan looks slightly better than it (due to color pallet).

>> No.10779161

>>10779050
best reply in the thread

>> No.10779162

Has emulation gotten Star Wars Trilogy to work yet?

>> No.10779165

>>10775925
The game was released in a rushed and incomplete state. That is straight from developer interviews.

I'd love to play a rom hack version that was tweaked for a better difficulty curve and more interesting level layouts.

>> No.10779168

>>10779031
What arcade games have you played? Which ones stand out as the most overrated to you? Honestly arcade games have far exceeded my expectations from what I've played.

>> No.10779679

>>10779031
>I have larped thousands of hours

>> No.10780045

>>10775925
>>10775935
I'd like to offer another welcome.
Pretty much entire arguments regarding "arcade ports" are garbage. They were made by B teams.
Unless they provide something better, extra or you prefer something in that systems limitations they are obsolete.
There are cases like Sega where the added new content for console is shit. So even new content doesn't always mean better.

>>10776192
Different games like Contra NES or Double Dragon NES are just that. Different games. No need to talk about them as if they are some kind port.

>> No.10780067

>>10776302
Had to look it up, but found the copy pasta some anon put together.
Get you a stable remap going!
"What's the matter, boy? MAME forgot your buttons again? That sucks!" -"Tired of having to reconfigure your inputs all the time? You're about to lose it and ready to give up? Wait! There's yet hope."

Introducing:
By default MAME instantly resets any button configuration that is being loaded or currently in use if the specified controller is not connected or drops connection while the program is still being executed. Scenarios like this include a wireless controller going into sleep mode, a weak battery giving out during gameplay or a cable pulled too early. But there's a solution: Write your own remap file using a stable controller ID and MAME's devicemap feature today - MAME won't forget your buttons ever again!

How to:
1. Connect your controller of choice.
2. Go to Control Panel > Device Manager > Human Interface Devices > HID Conform Game Controller > Your Controller > Properties > Details > pick Hardware IDs from the drop down menu and note it down.
3. Write a text document like pic related to permanently map your buttons to player 1 using your controller's hardware ID*** (see 2nd post). Save as a cfg-file and name it a single word without any spaces or special characters.
4. Put the new cfg-file into a directory called 'ctrlr' inside your MAME program directory. Create it if it doesn't exist already.
5. Open mame.ini > Under section '# CORE SEARCH PATH OPTIONS' set 'ctrlrpath' to 'ctrlr'. Under section '# CORE INPUT OPTIONS' set 'ctrlr' to the name of your remap cfg-file. Leave out the file extension.
6. Delete 'default.cfg' in the 'cfg' directory of your MAME installation. Your remap is the new default now! This step might not be 100% necessary but it autogenerates a new one anyway if needed.
7. Done

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TBC

>> No.10780070

>>10780067
Result:
MAME won't ever forget your buttons again. Doesn't matter if your controller loses connection, goes into sleep mode, the battery dies or you pull the cable too early. It's Plug-and-Play now and will be recognized 100% reliably by its hardware ID.

Advice:
If you are using an 8-button arcade stick the layout illustrated below is highly recommended as it is the most suited default across all machines, offering you the NeoGeo 4-button top row and 6-button layout a la Street Fighter at the same time.

1234
4567

Note that none of this prevents you from making further adjustments to input settings on a per game basis from inside the MAME GUI if necessary. MAME creates a config file for every game you boot inside the cfg directory and those have precedence over the default which we have redefined here.

Documentation
https://docs.mamedev.org/advanced/devicemap.html

***DISCLAIMER (see 1st post)
Controller button names and enumeration as well as hardware ID will vary. Figuring them out is up to the user. It is recommended to create a game specific remap including all physical buttons first and using that as reference. It will be located in the cfg directory.

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>>10780067
And I forgot the picture. Whoops.

>> No.10780083

>>10779162
I thought it's been playable in Supermodel for nearly 20 years now?

>> No.10781442

>>10778758
>>Just get a full merged set, not like drive space is expensive
cheap != free

>> No.10781449

>>10781442
Why wouldn't you have some sort of 8TB+ spinning plater drive even as an external when they're so fucking cheap. Its not like fucking mame roms are the only thing you'd put on it.

>> No.10781468

>>10781449
because they're not free

>> No.10781473

>>10781468
Okay, and? Do you really not have the storage to get a merged set? If so thats a (You) problem.

>> No.10781478

>>10781473
it's not a personal failing to be poor

>> No.10781483

>>10781478
Yes/no, but thats not even the point.
If you want X and it requires Y, then solve that problem. Otherwise quit bitching since it wont change anything.

>> No.10781493

>>10781483
why dont you stfu? youre not accomplishing anything either

>> No.10781502

>>10781493
Other then being awesome on the internet :^)

>> No.10781505

>>10781502
kek
storage still isn't free.

>> No.10781506

>Bro just get 10,000,000 ROMs and take up needless space
No. Even if you disregard how cheap price per TB now there's no point. Having a MAME fullset is directly correlated with suddenly thinking "Huh, I don't like games anymore."

>> No.10781514

>>10781506
I honestly don't understand this mindset if you have the storage available. I've been able to try out games I never heard of due to having a complete set (not counting CHDs). Many of my favorite arcade games today are ones I never even played back in the day. Its not like you're getting all of them just to play one game... surely...

>> No.10781519

>>10781506
Based and truthpilled.

>> No.10781524

>>10775935
This game is terrible. I've only played the original machine.

>> No.10781531

>>10779156
lol no
Black Tiger is from the year it looks much better

>> No.10781570

>>10778991
Got a link?

>> No.10781678

>>10781570
https://archive.org/details/fbneo_1003_bestset

>100 SNK Neo Geo games (neogeo folder)
> 29 Capcom CPS I games (cps1 folder)
> 37 Capcom CPS II games (cps2 folder)
> 6 Capcom CPS III games (cps3 folder)
>39 Toaplan & Cave Shooters
>375 Additional Arcade games (fbneo folder)

>> No.10782090

>>10781678
That's an FBNeo set. Will it work with MAME?

>> No.10784056

>>10782090
Maybe.

>> No.10784123

>>10775935
Arcade Contra is pretty mid.

>> No.10784148

>>10781570
idk what version you're using but here's the one I use
https://archive.org/details/mame-chds-roms-extras-complete

>> No.10784965

>>10784148
Thanks anon