/crt/

[Anonymous No.10769616]

Crt thread
my little hitachi

[Anonymous No.10769620]

>>10769616
That hoe is CLEAN

[Anonymous No.10769976]

zoomer here idk much about crt’s but they always seemed kinda cool for more retro stuff and today my neighbor had this KV-13TR10 out on the street for free so i figured i’d check it out, gonna wait a day or two for the condensation to dry before i try turning it on just incase, but if it works is it worth keeping? it only has 1 input that looks like a coax and says “VHF/UHF”

[Anonymous No.10769981]

>>10769976
>it only has 1 input that looks like a coax and says “VHF/UHF”
That's RF, pretty much the worst analog signal type. Both image and audio get transmitted through a single wire. But I bet you're a retard and didn't realize that it has a flap on the front where composite RCA connectors should be located.

[Anonymous No.10769982]

>>10769976
You'd have to hook up an RF connection with a modulator which is the worst form of a/v input, but it'll work.
Comparison pic of the different video signals.
Top left: RF
Bottom left: Composite
Top right: S-Video
Bottom right: Component

[Anonymous No.10770000]

Hooking up a console to a CRT monitor via a GBS-C and VGA instead of a CRT TV?

[Anonymous No.10770002]

>>10769981
i did open the flap the only port i saw was what im pretty sure is an audio out the rest is just the controls

[Anonymous No.10770008]

>>10770002
Well, then you're out of luck.

[Anonymous No.10770021]

I have this tv, and I can't access its service menu, since the remote has a lot of unresponsive buttons. I've opened it up, cleaned its contacts, still won't work.
The tv is a Sony WEGA KV-21CE10K, the remote says RM-W100.
Is my only hope to find an exact replacement for this remote? Could there be a universal remote that works with this series of tvs? Any other ideas would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.10770035]

>>10770002
Run composite from the console to a VCR and then the VCR to the TV via RF. Run the audio cables to an external amp. This keeps the audio signal separate from the video and allows you to have composite quality video via RF.

[Anonymous No.10770038]

>>10769976
Only RF is pretty shit but it's a very cute TV, maybe look for people in your area that can mod it.

[Anonymous No.10770041]

>>10770000
Might as well emulate.

[Anonymous No.10770050]

>>10770028
Apparently with three PS2s with an iLink port, three copies of the game, an iLink hub, three iLink cables, and three TVs.

[Anonymous No.10770079]

Rate

[Anonymous No.10770117]

>>10770038
any idea what the price for modding something like that would be?

[Anonymous No.10770142]

>>10770117
Not terribly expensive but probably not a lot of people would mod it.

Try connecting a console first and see if you like it. RF is pretty comfy.
Alternatively you can just go on marketplace and find another tv.

[Anonymous No.10770163]

>>10769616
You guys ever use a Compaq monitor? How are they?

[Anonymous No.10770325]

[Anonymous No.10770327]

>>10770041
Emulate what? That's not relevant to my question at all. If you're saying that it wouldn't be much different if I hook up these consoles to a CRT monitor or if I emulate them on my PC on a flat screen, then I fully disagree.

[Anonymous No.10770428]

>>10770050
That's right. GT3 does this with iLink, so it will only work on FAT consoles that have this port. GT4 uses LAN, so it needs that each console have their own network adapter. Much easier when you've got three SLIMs.
And guess what, GT5 does it with FIVE screens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJiHaqF-_Ls

[Anonymous No.10770451]

Are the earlier or later D Series televisions considered more desirable?

[Anonymous No.10770462]

>>10770327
I'm saying it wouldn't be much different from hooking your PC to a CRT monitor and emulating. If your question is just "Does GBS-C work with VGA monitors" then yes. Keep in mind it only accepts RGBS and component, no composite or s-video.

[Anonymous No.10770492]

>>10770462
Oh nah I don't want to emulate. I know it will work as well, just not sure how well and how it would compare to a CRT TV, considering you're using the scaler in the middle instead of just directly connecting to the TV. I'm reading conflicting opinions by googling. I just realized the GBS-C wont be able to do scanlines outside of 240p content though, and if that's true then I guess I need a TV.

[Anonymous No.10770494]

>>10770079
Troons' choice of CRT

[Anonymous No.10770505]

>>10770492
>how it would compare to a CRT TV
I used it, unlike LCD you get clear motion but it looks like emulation otherwise, not the same as playing on SD TV.
>GBS-C wont be able to do scanlines outside of 240p content though
You will see your CRT monitor's actual scanlines at 480p, why is that an issue

[Anonymous No.10770519]

>dimensions and weight on the TV I'm trying to get vs the TV stand I'm trying to get for it

I guess it's ok for the TV to protrude a bit on the front and back as long as the weight isn't too much...

[Anonymous No.10770534]

>>10770505
>your CRT monitor's actual scanlines

They're not the same as on a TV. Look bad.

[Anonymous No.10770540]

>>10770534
>They're not the same as on a TV
What TV? 480p compatible tvs look the same as monitors and you're not seeing any scanlines in 480i

[Anonymous No.10770549]

>>10770540
KV-29X1R for example if I can get it. No 480p support but surely you do see scanlines and they will be a different pattern compared to a CRT monitor, no?

[Anonymous No.10770558]

>>10770549
Do you understand what interlaced video is?

[Anonymous No.10770571]

>>10770540
480p tvs are not anywhere close to monitors.
If you are using original hardware just get a crt tv.
they are bigger and cheaper anyways

[Anonymous No.10770573]

>>10770558
Yes.

[Anonymous No.10770576]

>>10769976
Good score buddy. Trinitrons are always sought after. Enjoy it and play some games.

[Anonymous No.10770763]

ramu

[Anonymous No.10770769]

Why can't one company just start making a CRT TV again to satisfy our autistic needs. They wont have any competition and they can still sell them for a premium price ...

[Anonymous No.10770825]

>>10770769
Probably too complicated for any small company to manufacture. And it would have to be a small company cause no one wants these monsters other than us

[Anonymous No.10770831]

What I just did:
Put my PS2+CRT running a game
And then the same game running in PCSX2 on a monitor next to it
To make them look as close to each other as possible

What I learned:
The amount of light emitted by the CRT / its vibrancy is simply two-fold that of the LCD monitor. There's no shader that can change that
The CRT is two palms further from me than the monitor is, and the CRT is still brighter

[Anonymous No.10770832]

>>10770831
It also goes without saying that the 50hz interlaced looks smoother than the 60hz progressive. But at least that part is on me for not having a 120hz+ mon

[Anonymous No.10770865]

>>10770769
No demand to justify the huge expense of a dead tech that is outdated. Most people don’t want them.
Don’t like it? You make the company then. Be the change you want to be.

[Anonymous No.10771020]

>>10770865
I can't make a CRT.
>>10770825
Bitchass Sony can very easily do it and they will sell like hotcakes. Youtubers will shill the fuck out of them to redditors that would buy 3 each.

[Anonymous No.10771058]

>managed to snag a colonoscopy monitor
this thing has seen more ass than I ever will

[Anonymous No.10771094]

>>10771058
needs some adjustments but overall cool

[Anonymous No.10771137]

>>10771058
>>10771094
>hey uhhh is this uhh the mayo clinic medical center
>yeah umm do you happen to have any old monitors for sale

[Anonymous No.10771525]

I love my CRTs

[Anonymous No.10771552]

>>10771525
this board already has enough attention whores, go away.

[Anonymous No.10771587]

>>10771552
you must be that seething anon from the previous thread

[Anonymous No.10771656]

>>10771525
Do these get played on a good amount or do they just sit there?

[Anonymous No.10772052]

>>10771656
Every weekend

[Anonymous No.10772343]

>>10771137
I used to work in IT at a college with quite a few medical programs. There were a lot of the fucking things just sitting around collecting dust in various department corners but you'd actually have to ask them to scrap them, first.

[Anonymous No.10772378]

I see your monitor OP, and I raise you a Dell.

[Anonymous No.10772493]

My old fucker is still working minus the occasional squiggles on first startup. I found it on the curb in a 200 person town

[Anonymous No.10772782]

>>10771525
How big are they?

[Anonymous No.10772884]

>>10769976
You're young and have your life ahead of you, don't put this curse upon yourself and get rid of it.

[Anonymous No.10772886]

>>10772782
Looks like 2 20" PVMs, 14" on the right and 25" in the back.

[Anonymous No.10773097]

Ugh I can't decide if I should try and get a CRT or if I should try and get a retroturd scaler instead. Both have their caveats...

[Anonymous No.10773336]

>>10773097
get a retrotink.
If you are considering it over a crt you lack the ability to properly tune and use a crt anyways

[Anonymous No.10773370]

>>10773336
I can learn it's just that I can't outweigh the negatives and positives.

Negatives of getting a CRT:
>have to throw my couch away
>struggling to find a proper TV stand that will fit the space I want while also being sturdy enough for a 29
>I don't think I can fit the 29 I'm looking at in my car, gotta find someone to help me
>injured, not sure if I can lift it myself
>have to move my consoles away from my beloved desk setup, because the cables wont reach (do scart and component extension cables exist, do they degrade signal quality?)
>can't find one of the "top 10" CRTs redditors recommend, might get a shitty one that will die after a few months

Negatives of getting a retroturd:
>it's not as good
>it's soulless
>it's overpriced

For positives the retrotink will be a much easier and long lasting solution.

[Anonymous No.10773372]

>>10773370
yeah get a retrotink
if you arent willing to open a crt forget it

[Anonymous No.10773393]

>>10773370
Sounds like getting a smaller, 20 inch CRT would fix half of your problems.

[Anonymous No.10773446]

>>10772343
My college had the dumbest policies for getting rid of old hardware.
>see college has a bunch of old pc's laying around
>"hey, why not sell for cheap or give to the poorer students?"
>can't, must auction old hardware off
>only people who buy the auction lots are scrappers who are buying for pennies to melt the gold out
>wonder why
>see holding area for hardware going to auction
>literally palettes sitting outside exposed to the sun and rain, not even a tarp over them
>if the hardware wasn't only good for scrap before, it would be by the time it reached auction
>computers worth $50 to $150 ruined and sold for $15 per stack

[Anonymous No.10773448]

>>10773372
Hey don't be an asshole man.
>>10773393
But anon from last thread said the KV-29X1R is goated...

[Anonymous No.10773576]

>>10772782
2 20in PVMs
1 14in PVM
132in consumer trinitron

[Anonymous No.10773579]

>>10773448
im not an asshole im realistic,
If you go into it expecting the crt to just work like the retrotink you are gonna be dissapointed.
It might have issues.
It might not be straight forward.
you might have to open it
if you want something that just works crts arent it, they are 20 years old at best now

[Anonymous No.10773609]

I'll always keep my CRT around, but I'm curious, anyone ITT used a Tink 4K? I'm interested to see how convincing the effect is
Doesn't seem like it does any curving effect at all

[Anonymous No.10773618]

>>10773609
I'm >>10771525

I also own a tink 4K connected to an 83in oled. Tink makes things watchable but it doesnt get to CRT quality. It may be due to the size but I wouldn't junk my CRTs for it. I am tempted to sell the tink for like $1000 on ebay.

[Anonymous No.10773623]

>>10773618
If you wanna scalp you better move quick, the recent batch sold out slower than the first one, it's getting more saturated. There can't be more than 20,000 people who would buy one of these for more than $600

[Anonymous No.10773625]

>>10773579
I can open a CRT, I just don't want it to be a very difficult fix that's not documented on the internet.
>>10773618
Have you had a 5x too? I'm not sure what's so special about the 4k. I personally couldn't care less about 4k res and have no screens that support it anyways. Assuming there are other benefits over the 5x though considering the price.

[Anonymous No.10773656]

My daily use, photo editing, movies etc...

[Anonymous No.10773665]

>>10773625
>what's so special about the 4k
HDMI input so PS3 games don't look like shit on modern TVs
Black frame insertion for better motion clarity

[Anonymous No.10773668]

[Anonymous No.10774479]

>>10769976
plugged it in and pressed power and no signs of life is it joever ?

[Anonymous No.10774482]

>>10773370
>unironically believing in reddit holy grail CRTs

[Anonymous No.10774489]

>>10774479
Did the neighbor say that it worked before? Open it up and see if it was wet still. If its dry, inspect the board for any damage

[Anonymous No.10774524]

I have some unshielded bookshelf speakers that I want to be able to place right next to a CRT. Has anyone experimented with magnetically shielding speakers? I'd prefer not to mod the speakers themselves though. Some kind of metal plate between the speakers and CRT sounds like an easier option.

[Anonymous No.10774526]

>>10774482
Anything outside 4chan is reddit so I mean any list you can find via google.

[Anonymous No.10774582]

>>10773448
Well yeah it would be a great TV for /vr/ games, but don't think your only options are either an incredibly big and heavy set, or a gay upscaler made for redditors. Just measure your space and find a smaller TV, a 20 incher should fit on your desk and would be great to use from around 1,5m distance. Pic related is you trying to lift a 29 inch Sony, while 20 inch TVs are no problem for anyone who's not a paraplegic.

[Anonymous No.10774604]

>>10774582
29 inch sony is like 100 pounds. Any healthy man can lift that.

[Anonymous No.10774609]

>>10773656
>>10773668
what should I look for when buying these old 4:3 lcd monitors? I'd like to have one of these paired with my CRT for my setup but I've heard a lot about the early models having ghosting and inaccurate colors.

[Anonymous No.10775140]

>>10774609
Most of those are bottom of the barrel, not really worth getting into unless you specifically want to look at shit. Early LCDs were pretty bad overall.
And if you even manage to snag a better model, it will probably be worn out. This tech is much less durable than CRTs. Failing backlight, degrading pixels, you name it.
For example, I've got a Samsung SyncMaster 173P Plus, which is a refresh of a 2001 model. It's from around 2003 I think, it was my uncle's daily driver for a long time. It's got a PVA panel, the colors are great, with good blacks, and it's pleasantly dim, really nice for nighttime. But the upper half of the screen has a visible darker area because of the backlight going bad and there's pretty nasty image retention that can last more than an hour if you leave something on it for a long time. Also there's no buttons to change the settings, you need some ancient Windows XP program for that. Good enough for a secondary monitor, I guess, but wouldn't use it as my main one.

[Anonymous No.10775214]

>>10773446
this is why the American government shouldn't be allowed to have taxpayer money
this is what they do every single time with every single cent with every single thing
they waste it like Mongoloids and then cry for more
insolvent irresponsible waste fraud abuse
and all the students who used to those computers didn't learn a damn thing anyways they're still retarded


>>10771094
how do you like it?
I was thinking of grabbing one
or maybe a pelco, i just need svideo and decent geometry

[Anonymous No.10775219]

>>10773336
tune and use a crt
its a fucking tv anon
even as a child i dialed the knobs etc
>>10773370
get both instead of being a pansy
what is even the point of your question?
get a 2xpro for cheap the whatever crt you can find that still works
wow problem solved
you do not have to rearrange your life for a tiny tv anon
its a small tv that can be closeted when not in use
most of mine are closeted and I only bring them out when it's time to use them

[Anonymous No.10775223]

>>10774482
le rebbit doogeyman
i dont think about those godless faggots one bit
not at all
excuse the mess photo was during some spring cleaning, originally sent to my cousin to show him the memeVM tate setup

[Anonymous No.10775226]

>>10770021
I assume you know the trick where you view the remote's ir through a camera to make certain those buttons aren't working.

[Anonymous No.10775290]

>>10769981
Let me guess, you need more?

[Anonymous No.10775297]

>>10774604
It's not the matter of weight alone. It's the distribution of the weight and lack of optimal grip points, that make this difficult. Any healthy man should be able to lift a 100 lbs barbell off the ground, lifting a 100lbs CRT and carrying it to your car is a completely different thing

[Anonymous No.10775447]

>>10775140
im >>10773656
no idea both of mine were thrift shop finds for about 10 dollars each, ones a shitty asus 3d monitor to which I dont have the glasses. The other is some lg flatron thing no idea beyond that cus all the menus are in korean. only bit of advice i can give you is get some adapters, vga to hdmi or display port as heaps of them are VGA only. beyond that just find one you like for as cheap as possible. they're fairly shit but they do the job fine.

[Anonymous No.10775561]

>>10775214
Nice setup…shame it’s audiocucked.

[Anonymous No.10775590]

>>10775219
I have my own DIY GBS-C. No point in getting no bitchass 2x pro. If I get both I'd need to figure some extension cables out, but if I have a CRT TV why would I ever use a scaler to play on my monitor?

[Anonymous No.10775594]

>>10775297
If a 130lbs twink like me can lift a 90lbs TV up the stairs, then you can lift a 100lbs one. The glass should be touching your chest.

[Anonymous No.10775636]

>>10769616
just use filters faggots

[Anonymous No.10775671]

I used to be a powerlifter but now I'm injured and can't lift jack shit...

[Anonymous No.10775751]

What’s the best way to get a gamecube hooked up to a vga crt for that sweet sweet 480p?

[Anonymous No.10775770]

>>10775751
gonna need a component to RGBHV transcoder and component cables. You can use a wii instead for cheap component cables. There are cheap transcoders on aliexpress that do component to SCART/VGA that I've had success with. They output RGBHV when you use VGA.

[Anonymous No.10775779]

Just make sure you get YPbPr input and RGBHV output. A lot of results will be the opposite type of transcoder.

[Anonymous No.10776184]

>>10775561
kek

[Anonymous No.10776185]

>>10776184
i usually use headphones/ear monitors when playing on the pvm late at night

[Anonymous No.10776328]

>>10776185
Post headphones over at /hpg/

[Anonymous No.10776358]

Ok it's been done. I threw the couch away. Moment of silence for lil bro the couch. Now I gotta find a TV stand and a CRT TV to put on it. I'm trying to find a steel rack or some sturdy shit but it's a struggle.

Found a Playstation Classic under the couch too.

[Anonymous No.10776376]

>>10775751
>>10775770
If using an actual GameCube you will also need a DAC to convert the digital video to analog.

[Anonymous No.10776862]

>>10775219
>its a fucking tv anon
a 20-40 year old TV
if you cant atleast solder a bit its not great
>>10774609
they all of have smearing and ghosting.
But the colors are good on mine

[Anonymous No.10776874]

>>10776376
no the gamecube component cables have that built into them

[Anonymous No.10776902]

>>10776874
Yes, but good luck getting one of those for less than $200.

[Anonymous No.10777070]

>>10773446
ours did donate the bulk of their surplus, but there were edge cases of weird tech that we could usually get away with taking home, some old laptops, consumer electronics, some monitors, holy shit I didn't buy ram or storage the entire time I worked there. I still have some of their old drives floating around in consoles and shit

[Anonymous No.10777297]

>>10776902
I thought that somebody was remaking these recently??

[Anonymous No.10777581]

>>10770021
film the end of the remote as you push buttons with a smartphone camera to see which buttons are busted, it will flash on the camera as it picks up the UV light, and make sure the buttons line up with the Info -> 5 -> Vol+ -> On service menu sequence, or whichever sequence of buttons yours is

[Anonymous No.10777603]

I have a 31 inch CRT TV in pretty good condition, highest quality video connector it has is S-Video. Which isn't bad, but I also have a mint condition 17-inch CRT monitor with barely any hours on it as well. With the exception of my NES, every retro console I have can output RGB with just a cable. So I got the idea to upgrade my consoles to RGB and run them through the monitor instead.
I know full well that NTSC RGB isn't the exact same as VGA RGB. Roughly 15hz 320x224 signal getting pumped to a monitor expecting roughly 31hz-75hz 640x480-1280x1024. Also I know different consoles have different sync outputs, with some doing sync on composite, some doing sync on green, and so on. What I have found online is a schematic for a S-Video to VGA sync converter, that takes the Chroma and Luma and creates all needed signals from that. The issue with this is I'm converting from S-Video signal, so it's already subpar compared to RGB pulled directly from the consoles.
Is this a simple matter and I'm just over thinking it, or should I just get the VGA cable for the Dreamcast and be happy I have a use for the monitor besides emulating old PC games?

[Anonymous No.10777606]

>>10776328
they won't like them
theyre $300 shure cans from 9 years ago kek

[Anonymous No.10777610]

>>10777603
it seems like you convoluting your signal chain
just use s-video
it is a dramatic jump up in quality from rf / composite anon
in a side by side shootout rgb vs svid might be indiscernible
it's not worth the trade-off and the damage you caused to your old systems by forcing rgb out

[Anonymous No.10777617]

>>10777610
I'm already using S-Video with the TV. While decent, the TV isn't as sharp and doesn't have the damn near perfect geometry the monitor has.
>it's not worth the trade-off and the damage you caused to your old systems by forcing rgb out
You could at least READ my post before ranting about imaginary problems.
>>10777603
>With the exception of my NES, every retro console I have can output RGB with just a cable.

[Anonymous No.10777656]

>>10777603
sync bruh

[Anonymous No.10777664]

>>10777617
no one is going to buy your modified systems
you destroyed them with your science projects
for measly gain
you made them objectively worse

[Anonymous No.10777668]

>>10777664
SNES and Mega Drivasis both support native RGB

[Anonymous No.10777692]

>>10777668
So does the PS1, but the anon you are replying to is a retarded phoneposter who can't into reading comprehension. Notice the clear lack of capital letters and punctuation. Both require making more presses than a low-effort shitpost when using a touchscreen.

[Anonymous No.10777706]

>>10777692
> shift
tru

[Anonymous No.10777717]

>>10777668
soiled it
soiled it
soiled it
soiled it

[Anonymous No.10778057]

I want maybe 2 CRT monitors for viewing purposes, not sure if it matters what brand or if flat matter or not. I for sure want a viewsonic though as I've heard the quality is nicer

[Anonymous No.10778318]

>secured a KV-21FX30E
>was gonna go get it tomorrow morning
>got a call that they wont be there on the weekend
>my work schedule is fucked during the week and I'm fucked on parking if I leave late
>they might not be available the other weekend as well

The CRT dream is dwindling my bros...

[Anonymous No.10778327]

>>10778057
Some brands are nicer than others. Obviously you wouldn't always be able to get a trinitron. You could settle for some Dell. Viewsonics are nicer. A Sync master is ok too. Ezio CRTs I've heard are great.

I'm the CRT TV dude above and I can also get a Dell E711p monitor for 10 bucks. It looks sick but I just don't have the space. Not sure if I should just get it regardles and have it sat in a corner for safe keeping...

[Anonymous No.10778380]

some time ago, I bought a 27" LG Flatron and it fucking sucks, it has heavy deformation on the sides and even spending hours adjusting the geometry via service menu, it only improved a little

now a 27" Sony Wega just appeared in the wild and I am thinking of buying it to replace my current one

my question is, is it worth it? this side scroll deformation is inherent to all 27" or more crt? Should I get a smaller screen? Adjusting the geometry manually is not an option, I don't wanna die and I asked almost all technicians in my third world city, and they don't offer that service, enlight me /crt/

[Anonymous No.10778556]

>>10778380
>Adjusting the geometry manually is not an option
Buy an lcd then babby

[Anonymous No.10778993]

>>10778556
this lmao
>>10778380
give the flatron away for free dont scrap it someone else will be able to do what you couldnt

[Anonymous No.10779041]

[Anonymous No.10779068]

>>10779041
LET ME GET ONE MAN COME ON

[Anonymous No.10779079]

>>10779041
yes hello, hi, i would like to order one pvm pls

[Anonymous No.10779091]

[Anonymous No.10779112]

>>10778380
What you’re talking about is called the magic carpet effect, it’s an issue with horizontal linearity and it’s present on all flat CRTs though usually less bad on Sonys. There is no fix nor way to even adjust or mitigate it.

If you want less geometry problems get a curved glass tube, they’re just objectively better if you know anything about deflection at all.

[Anonymous No.10779119]

>>10779112
i see this posted a lot
but i had a gigantic wega in 2005-2008
the damn thing never failed & had hundreds of hours racked up
none of the boys during the brawl era said anything about bad geometry
we were all just happy to play on a large crt
i let everyone smoke weed inside too which made my pad pretty cool to 20yr old stoners haha

[Anonymous No.10779191]

>>10778380
My Wega is fucked on the sides.
I like the colors, but the geometry, convergence and focus are all kinda bad.
It's a problem on every flat CRT but some are worse than others. People say the sets with BA-5D chassis are pretty good. Mine is BA-6.

>>10779119
Honestly, bad geometry isn't really noticeable on a 3D game like Brawl.

[Anonymous No.10779268]

My TV only has a single SCART socket at the back and a composite video RCA connector at the front. It can only output mono sound, even to external speakers. I used to run my Dreamcast with a SCART RGB cable and my PS2 with a composite video cable. Today I upgraded my setup with this and purchased a SCART RGB cable for PS2 as well. Both consoles are connected to those two SCART sockets on the adapter and the adapter is connected to the single socket at the back of my TV. I also connected external speakers to the two red and white RCA connectors on the adapter so I can bypass my TV and get stereo sound with both consoles. I had some problems getting all of this to work together though. For some reason when PS2 was not on but plugged into mains, it caused weird problems with Dreamcast's sound output. Unplugging the PS2 from mains completely fixed that, so I just used a separate cord extender with a built-in switch for it. But what I found even more weird is that even with the PS2 completely disconnected, the LEDs on my PS2 Blueretro dongle would light up as if a part of my PS2 got backcharged in some weird way from the SCART socket in the adapter when I turned on my Dreamcast. The picture from the Dreamcast also got distorted when that happened. I put a few layers of electric tape on the pin 8 of PS2 SCART RGB cable connector and this seems to have MOSTLY fixed the problem. The LEDs on the dongle still light up, but only for a few seconds, then it stops and the picture from Dreamcast is completely normal as well. My question is as follows: is this safe? Do I risk damaging my TV or consoles if I run it like this for an extended period of time? I don't mind damaging my PS2 or TV given that I can get replacements for cheap, but my Dreamcast cost more from 100 EUR so it would be a waste if something happened to it.

Also the jump in quality between composite video and RGB on PS2 is HUGE. I won't be able to go back to composite now.

[Anonymous No.10779389]

i have 6 crts

[Anonymous No.10779393]

>>10779268
There's voltage on pin 8 and your adapter connects them together so you're sending at least 5v from one console to another, which is pretty bad. Get a switcher that actually switches between inputs instead of connecting everything at once.

[Anonymous No.10779424]

>>10779389
I have 4 but won’t get any more now I only use the pvm 99% if the time

[Anonymous No.10779442]

>>10779389
I also have 6 but 2 of them dead.
Going to buy another one tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.10779539]

>>10779424
>>10779442

fired the old brok up

[Anonymous No.10779586]

>>10777603
>31 inches
>NTSC RGB
>15hz
Anon.....

[Anonymous No.10779587]

>>10778380
>I don't wanna die
Stop being a pussy and pop that bitch open.

[Anonymous No.10779638]

>>10779091
loooks like perfect dark

[Anonymous No.10779886]

>>10779587
teach me sensei

[Anonymous No.10780121]

>>10779886
>remove the screws from the back
>slowly pull the back case off (make sure to move back and forth in case the PCB slides with the case initially)
>push the power cable all the way through the case so it doesn't get stuck
>now that you have full access to the tube, open geometry/convergence test patterns in 240p test suite
>slap some fridge magnets around the yoke to fuck with geometry
>slide converge strips underneath the yoke to fuck with convergence (you can DIY these or buy from ebay)
>continue until it is in a state where you won't notice issues looking at standard game screens from the distance of your couch

[Anonymous No.10780150]

>>10779112
what TV brand of curved CRT do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.10780202]

>>10780150
condition is all that matters

[Anonymous No.10780337]

>>10780150
one with svideo

[Anonymous No.10781201]

>>10779041
>Almost all of them are composite/s-video trash

[Anonymous No.10781276]

>>10779539

[Anonymous No.10781278]

>>10779389
https://streamable.com/yr8e5s

[Anonymous No.10781602]

>>10781278
>death crimson OX
Spoopy

[Anonymous No.10782478]

Do XM29s really have a picture comparable to PVMs? Is it really the same, just bigger?

[Anonymous No.10782519]

>>10781201
Let me guess... You *need* more?

[Anonymous No.10782563]

>>10770769
>Why can't one company just start making a CRT TV again to satisfy our autistic needs.
The equipment for them is gone
It is illegal because of toxic elements
They are too complex to build for small-scale production

Just wait for high-brightness 1000hz OLED and we're there sans lightgun games

[Anonymous No.10782569]

>>10771020
>Bitchass Sony can very easily do it
Kek, are you living in the 90s?
Sony are a joke who are barely competing in the modern tv industry

[Anonymous No.10782574]

>>10775290
sovl

[Anonymous No.10782578]

>>10777668
>Drivasis
kys

[Anonymous No.10783335]

does my CRT monitor just not support 240p bros.....? I've tried to force it using CRU but i get is an upscaled 480p at most..

[Anonymous No.10783352]

>>10783335
PC monitors don't support 240p.

[Anonymous No.10783358]

>>10783335
Computer monitors typically don't support 15khz modes, like 240p on tv. Only older monitors, from the 80s, which were made to work with microcomputers.
That said, there was a hack involving custom drivers for some specific amd videocard. There is also the way of using a line doubler or scanline generator to simulate 15khz modes on a 31khz monitor.

[Anonymous No.10783365]

>>10781201
IDK what models those are, but you can RGB mod PVM-14N5U's. It's literally the same monitor as the PVM-14N6U but without the factory RGB inputs. All you need to do is hook up some bnc jacks and a button. I imagine some of the other s-video/composite monitors are the same.

[Anonymous No.10783384]

>>10782569
>Kek, are you living in the 90s?

Literally yes.

[Anonymous No.10783450]

>>10771137
...does this work?
I live right next to some big/famous hospitals...

[Anonymous No.10783513]

Going to pick this guy up for pretty cheap but wasn’t provided with a picture of the back. Can anyone confirm that this tv will have YPbPr inputs?

[Anonymous No.10783521]

>>10783365
Yes you can, and it's relatively easy.
The 9" models and L1's are not worth the trouble though.

[Anonymous No.10783539]

>>10783450
Why don't you try, what are they doing to do? Report you to the police for searching for an obsolete monitor? Lmao

[Anonymous No.10783572]

>>10783539
I don’t want to waste my time calling a bunch of people if it’s not going to lead to anything

[Anonymous No.10783575]

i’ve heard ppl talk about the voltage being like life threateningly dangerous with the capacitors or whatever, if i’m not like actually clinically retarded and have basic experience with hard modding chips in consoles n stuff and watch a youtube tutorial or two what’s the over under on me frying to death if i try to open one of these things up and work on it ?

[Anonymous No.10783583]

>>10783575
Yea, sure, so life threatening...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Z0NINGfa0

[Anonymous No.10783771]

>>10783575
Only dangerous part is the bare metal attached under the anode cap touching into the tube, that's where the electricity goes and stays even when everything is turned off and unconnected from power (look up guides online on how to safely disconnect this if you want to work on the PCB)

[Anonymous No.10783987]

>>10783513
It did not have anything other than composite. What a pile of steamy shit. Fuck sellers who don’t take a pic of the inputs in the back.

[Anonymous No.10784007]

>>10783987
Composite is what the developers intended. May as well emulate if you go beyond that.

[Anonymous No.10784034]

>>10783987
>perfect for ps1
>perfect for n64
>perfect for nes
>perfect for master system
>perfect for genesis
>only option for SNES Jr.
You "need" more?

[Anonymous No.10784042]

>>10783987
better than RF
i use composite exclusively with my neogeo aes
dont be a crybaby

[Anonymous No.10784125]

>>10783987
I either ask for the model number so I can check online or straight up ignore these retarded fucking ads.

[Anonymous No.10784128]

>>10784007
>>10784034
>>10784042
retards

[Anonymous No.10784231]

>>10783335
you have a diamondtron. Just use super bright mode at 480p@60hz with scanline filter and it's effectively the same. The only downside usually is the loss of brightness but your monitor can compensate for it and look great

[Anonymous No.10784286]

>>10784128
>no argument
BTFO

[Anonymous No.10784353]

>>10784007
>Composite is what the developers intended. May as well emulate if you go beyond that.
A lot of games on retro consoles were arcade conversions and those arcade boards usually outputted RGB. But keep coping.

[Anonymous No.10784373]

>>10784353
>he thinks arcade conversions look exactly the same as the originals

[Anonymous No.10784383]

>>10784373
But if they look different then that's not really "what the developers intended" either, is it? Only the unadultered arcade version carries the developer's intentions perfectly.

[Anonymous No.10784390]

>>10784383
The arcade conversion is the intention of those who worked on it, it is a separate game than what the arcade is.

[Anonymous No.10784417]

>>10784286
I don't need to present an argument for something that's common sense. If you have the option of using scart or component, but refuse to, you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.10784423]

>>10784417
>still no argument
lol.

[Anonymous No.10784427]

>>10784423
Argument for what, retard?

[Anonymous No.10784430]

>>10784427
>>10784417

[Anonymous No.10784517]

[Anonymous No.10784523]

>>10771094
what game ?

[Anonymous No.10784532]

>>10784523
Spyro's gay adventure.

[Anonymous No.10784559]

>>10778380
>now a 27" Sony Wega just appeared in the wild and I am thinking of buying it to replace my current one
i found one. love it. i had to learn about and fuck with the service menu to get it as good as it can get.
also the geometry will never be perfect with a flat screen CRT. accept it. if you get the boxes too lined up the scrolling goes to shit. each system is a bit different. hell lit scenes in games will bloom more than dark scenes. if you are absolutely deadset on perfect geometry get a round tube or just don't use a CRT.

[Anonymous No.10784573]

>>10778380
oh also the thing weighs an awkward 110 lbs so don't buy it if you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.10784627]

>>10783335
It doesn't, PC monitors usually don't. I think there were some very old models which did but the one you have there has to be pretty "recent" if it goes up to 1920x1440 so it will not support anything below 640x480.

>>10783575
The voltage on the tube is like 10000-20000V, so extremely high. The tube itself acts as a capacitor and can retain the charge even when the screen is powered off. Now I don't think there's enough power stored in it despite the high voltage to fry you, but if you fuck up it will give you a very nasty shock and maybe if you're unlucky it fucks with your heart or something and does kill you. This dangerous voltage however is only really accessible under the anode cap on the tube, so it's not very easy to shock yourself but if you're going to be working on a CRT you should safely discharge it first.

Also if you intend to work on it while it's operating, then there will likely be several voltage levels inside which will also have enough power to kill you, so be very careful if you're doing something like tuning / adjusting the image while it's turned on.

>>10784007
>May as well emulate if you go beyond that.
I emulate and output RGB to a TV ;)

[Anonymous No.10784645]

>>10784430
i go out of my way to use rf

[Anonymous No.10784683]

>>10784627
> PC monitors usually don't (support 320x240)
mmmm i remember playing Quake in software mode in the late 90s in 320x240 i feel like a multiscan monitor should handle that correctly? it's a common resolution for tons of old games. i dunno. probably runs at that 70hz bullshit lol.

[Anonymous No.10784690]

>>10784231
you are retarded on atleast 3 levels and i only gave your post a glance.
Consider roping

[Anonymous No.10784693]

>>10784683
You have the right idea - CRT monitors don't support 15khz but you can run 240p at 120hz to get it to 31khz, and I guess that's what quake did.

[Anonymous No.10784715]

>>10784683
Resolutions in that range were common on PC but that was before the VGA days (CGA, EGA or whatever, I don't remember). Quake came along much too late for that so it's hard to say what it was doing, you can still run low resolution at high refresh rate (you can run 240p 120Hz on pretty much any VGA monitor) if said refresh rate isn't too high, but Quake might also have just been running at higher res while basically doing integer scaling from 320x240 to 640x480. Monitors which could do both 15kHz and 31kHz+ did / do exist but they were never common as far as I know so I doubt any program would require one as late as the mid-90s when Quake came out since most people wouldn't have such a screen.

[Anonymous No.10785848]

>>10784007
>Composite is what the developers intended.
Way to out yourself as a insufferable zoomer faggot who never experienced arcades.

[Anonymous No.10785881]

>>10785848
I'll play F355 on RF in your honor, anon.

[Anonymous No.10786161]

>>10784683
>>10784715
Older Japanese monitors often supported 15 and 24kHz to maintain compatibility with machines such as the PC-88/98.

[Anonymous No.10786183]

So from what I've read there are two options to get a 240p output onto a 480p display is 1. double the lines, 2. double the vertical refresh rate. The problems with 1. is that without filter it looks too sharp because higher TVL means the gaussian blur is applied over a shorter absolute distance. On the other hand applying a scanline filter effectively halves the image brightness and also scanlines now look extra thick.

Doubling the vertical refresh rate causes poor motion due to frame doubling (why? Intuitively on LCDs higher is better). This can be corrected with BFI. Now that a blank is inserted every other frame effective brightness halves too but at least you have true 240p. Is my understanding correct? I probably should just read up on how the electron gun actually works but it took me a while to get this far, this 'old tech' is new to me.

[Anonymous No.10786228]

>>10784683
VGA graphics cards typically line double low resolution modes. So you were rendering at 240, but the monitor was reciving 480

[Anonymous No.10786315]

>>10786183
Just get a crt tv instead of a monitor all issues solved

[Anonymous No.10786749]

I might be getting a CRT on Thursday. Not sure what to look out for when I go there. I might just yolo grab it and if it's a lemon it's a lemon and I take the L and move on.

[Anonymous No.10786941]

>>10783513
Dude, you're not gonna find component on a generic 21" set, especially one mounted on a wall, you'd be lucky if it got s-video.
Component is home theater shit so you gotta look for really big shit.

>>10783987
The seller that knows enough to post a pic of inputs will hike the price 5x if there are any good ones so just keep asking the ones that don't.

[Anonymous No.10786946]

>>10784007
>May as well emulate if you go beyond that.
Not true for arcade games and the entire gen 6.

[Anonymous No.10786961]

>>10786749
I tried bringing a mister with 240p suite with me on my hunt for CRTs but for some reason the idea of plugging some device into tv to test it really freaks boomers out so I just check if it turns on and if there's no obvious sync issues and then make a guess if it's worth it or not based on how clean the house is.

[Anonymous No.10787024]

>>10786961
I don't have a mister and I feel like this bitch wont be letting me in her house. Gotta be quick too because I'll be on my lunch break. It's a KV-21FX30E and I'll be paying 50 bucks for it too. The market is so dry where I'm at. I'm sure most people would only take that for free.

[Anonymous No.10787095]

>>10786961
i've always done this with a wii and the boomers are all excited to talk about wii sports. try that.

[Anonymous No.10787101]

>>10786183
there's functionally no difference between 480p@60hz with a filter to blank every other line vs 240p@120hz with BFI. Just use whatever one is more convenient for you.

[Anonymous No.10787105]

>>10786183
240p120hz+BFI causes the exact same amount of brightness loss as 480p60+half lines blanked. think about it. its half either way.

[Anonymous No.10787108]

>>10786961
the best solution is a PSP with the video out cable

[Anonymous No.10787532]

[Anonymous No.10787662]

>>10783572
>want to win the lottery
>refuse to buy tickets

[Anonymous No.10788169]

>>10786961
I always bring my PS2 along and run the suite on that. Worst that happened was that the seller didn't want to go down with the price by a slightest amount after seeing how good the geometry was. But I use that TV to this day and it wasn't that expensive anyway, around 20€.

[Anonymous No.10788225]

>>10788169
How does the test suite on PS2 work anyways? Do you gotta use an emulator for a different console, or is there a reworked ISO that just werks on the PS2?

[Anonymous No.10788234]

I already have 2 pvms a consoomer trinitron, and a pc crt. But I don't have any good way of playing 480p content on a couch. Should I go out and buy another pc crt? Or just suck it up and play gamecube/dreamcast at 480i, or at the desk?

[Anonymous No.10788238]

Mid life crisis core.

[Anonymous No.10788245]

>>10788234
Is p that much better than i on a CRT? I thought the idea was that it only matters on a flat screen and it's not as noticeable on a CRT. Otherwise you could get a retrotink turd scaler and play on a flat.

[Anonymous No.10788247]

>>10788245
It's noticeable on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.10788253]

>>10788225
You can run it on an MD/SFC emulator or just use a burned disc with the PS1 version. The latter has some issues with controller input when used on a PS2, but it's serviceable enough to get to the grid pattern.

[Anonymous No.10788295]

>>10787095
Wii wasn't big in my region so it's unlikely to be recognized, and the sensor bar shit complicates the setup more.

>>10787108
Shit, that sounds really convenient. Still not sure the grandmas would be more open to a psp but at least I wouldn't need to ask for an outlet.

[Anonymous No.10788331]

>>10788245
The difference is very noticeable but 480i on a CRT still looks miles better than 480p on LCD.
Especially if you're deinterlacing to get there, that makes everything look extra terrible.

[Anonymous No.10788429]

Finally got some s-video cables and the difference is pretty incredible. I thought I'd barely notice it but the words on the title screens for Mario World and Pokemon Snap look so much more clear. Even the colors pop more.

[Anonymous No.10788448]

>>10788331
Aren't there like 4 consumer CRT TVs capable of 480p anyways? I've never seen one personally.

[Anonymous No.10788572]

>>10788295
you dont need the sensor bar if you are just using 240p test suite

[Anonymous No.10788643]

>>10788448
They don't display 240p properly so they only worth it if you've got unlimited space and can afford a separate setup exclusively for DC/GC

>>10788572
But I need the sensor bar to launch shit?

[Anonymous No.10788652]

>>10786315
Its actually a panasonic CRT TV. Someone tested this model and it does lagless 480p@60Hz through VGA, 240p and 480i through the other cables have laggy processing. Its in great condition so I'll hang on to it for a while. Wondering what I can do with it, originally wanted to play SNES.

- 6th gen some games do 480p
- pre-6th gen with a filter like discussed earlier
- 480p tv shows
- connect it to computer for old PC games?

[Anonymous No.10788827]

>>10788652
>CRT TV
>VGA

Where?

[Anonymous No.10789116]

>>10788331
I plugged my Wii into my LCD out of morbid curiosity and it's honestly not that bad for 480p GC games. My CRT is pretty bad with 480i, so I wouldn't mind playing on the LCD.

[Anonymous No.10789119]

>>10786183
Honestly I can't recommend it, it's very hard on the eyes and looks nothing like a TV.
You're correct in that motion in 120Hz looks like shit, and like other anon said with bfi it's pretty much the same as having 100% hard scanlines at normal frequency.
If a VGA monitor is all you've got I'd say fuck it and just line double. Maybe add soft scanlines instead of hard ones. You'll still be getting the benefits of a CRT: clear motion, no lag, brightness and colors (unless you destroy the colors with a shitty HDMI to VGA converter)

[Anonymous No.10789126]

>>10789116
>My CRT is pretty bad with 480i
What the fuck do you mean, CRT is made for 480i

[Anonymous No.10789130]

>>10789119
nice 2070

[Anonymous No.10789135]

>>10789126
It's a 29" Sony Wega, the interlacing lines look really noticeable whenever anything moves.

[Anonymous No.10789213]

>>10789135
I had to switch to a regular TV from a high TVL PVM for PS2 games because the interlacing was too prominent. Didn't know they also made TVs like that, that's fucked.

[Anonymous No.10789345]

>>10788643
set the wii to boot straight to the homebrew channel. you only need the wii remote on the home channel.

[Anonymous No.10789369]

>>10771137
>Hello? Cleveland Clinic? Do you have any old monitors for sale?

[Anonymous No.10789375]

>>10773370
I have my 36" on a 1x4 Kallax from IKEA turned sideways

Seems fine to me.

[Anonymous No.10789454]

>>10789375
This? I wish it was a x3 so it can fit my space. Looks like I'm getting a 21 inch anyways.

[Anonymous No.10789516]

>unit takes a max of 55 lbs
>tv is 26 kg
>haven't included the consoles and accessories and we're already over the weight limit

Nooo...

[Anonymous No.10789567]

>>10789516
https://www.uline.com/Cls_32/Shelving-and-Storage?dup=products

https://www.grainger.com/category/material-handling/storage-workspace/workbenches-shop-furniture/worktables/stationary-worktables?categoryIndex=1

[Anonymous No.10789578]

>>10789567
I can't get these. I'm not American. Something like this was the first thing I searched for and I can't find any that aren't too tall or too wide.

[Anonymous No.10789595]

>>10789578
Surely you can find a workbench that would be suitable. If not then you will have to makes something from either lumber or steel from a scrapyard.

[Anonymous No.10789620]

>>10789595
Nah bro I'm a liar. I just didn't search properly. I can get pic related for 25 bucks and free shipping, and by the looks of it it can be split in half because it seems the steel uprights are two pieces instead of one long piece. Let's goooooooo.

[Anonymous No.10789648]

>>10789620
Looks like it will get the job done. It's a shame that pretty much the only things made sturdy enough for a CRT are industrial shelving and workbenches.

[Anonymous No.10789723]

>>10789648
To be honest it's not even a shame because this is much cheaper and sturdier.

[Anonymous No.10789754]

>>10788827
Panasonic TX-68P100Z, been in my garage for over a decade.
https://ia801906.us.archive.org/25/items/manualsbase-id-107587/107587.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO2hsCgw00g

>>10789119
EDTV technically.

[Anonymous No.10789773]

>>10789754
wtf that's godly

[Anonymous No.10789914]

>>10789620
Can't you just order a custom-made stand from a carpenter? Pretty much all the furniture at my place is custom-made, I never get how people can just put random IKEA shit in their homes and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.10790000]

i'm really tempted to make a listing for one of the more popular crts i have, wait for the local scalper to contact me, make him jump through hoops before meeting up, then give a location far away and not show up

[Anonymous No.10790160]

>>10784007
>Composite
You mean RF
Composite lacks soul compared to RF

[Anonymous No.10790169]

>>10788234
Search daily and within 250 miles for a presentation style monitor. Worth the effort if you crave 480peen cooch time.

>>10788245
It's been my experience that 480i is much more tolerable on non-Trinitron sets. PS2 looks its worst on Sony TV's.

[Anonymous No.10790178]

>>10788429
Based S-Video Appreciator

[Anonymous No.10790190]

>>10770163
they work

[Anonymous No.10790196]

>>10789620
This is OK. Call this function over form. It's ugly but utilitarian.

[Anonymous No.10790212]

>>10770519
crts are usually deeper than their bases. at that depth i'd estimate the depth of the base to be like an inch longer, but it depends on the crt. some bases are as low as 50% the total depth, some as high as 100%. for tvs of this size it seems to be fairly consistently about 66%.

[Anonymous No.10790218]

>>10786183
>Intuitively on LCDs higher is better
No it isn't
On an LCD if you run 60fps@120hz it looks the same as 60fps@60hz
On a CRT since it's a flickering display it gives you double image effect if you run at double refresh

[Anonymous No.10790224]

>>10790000
Why would it be a scalper and just not a person who wants a CRT?

[Anonymous No.10790296]

>>10790224
because there's at least one local scalper. i would just wait for them specifically and ignore anyone else.

[Anonymous No.10790379]

>>10789567
Sam's Club sells a downright pleasant looking version of this style shelving, but I can't honestly recommend them anymore because they've changed the manufacturer and materials. I bought another set and I wouldn't trust them.

(Shitty old pic of shitty old setup.)

[Anonymous No.10790381]

>>10790379
Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10790385]

>>10769982
> And people will argue the scan lines don't add character to old school games...

[Anonymous No.10790393]

Only tangentially CRT-related, but is a DVR like this a good way to record footage through a SCART RGB cable? Will passing the signal through it add a lot of latency? It has an SD-card slot, so it should make transferring files to my PC very convenient.

[Anonymous No.10790434]

>>10790393
Passing the signal through it shouldn't add any latency but it will most certainly record 240p video as interlaced and it will look like ass. Though if the recorder itself doesn't deinterlace the video maybe it's possible to turn the files back into progressive and scale properly with some ffmpeg magic.

[Anonymous No.10790483]

>>10790169
>PS2 looks its worst on Sony TV's
But it's Sony and I'm getting one for my PS2 fuck...

[Anonymous No.10790487]

>>10790483
Don't listen to him, it looks good on normal size trinitrons if you don't stick your face right against the screen.

[Anonymous No.10790492]

>>10790483
Your mileage may vary.

>>10790487
32" WEGA, 27" 2001 Trinitron, and 19" PVM.

[Anonymous No.10790509]

>>10790296
do it.
better yet send him to a plausible adress thats still pretty far and instruct him to knock on the door and ask for you

[Anonymous No.10790573]

>>10789620
Guys the people over at /diy/ are telling me these are flimsy and gay and will twist and collapse and turn my CRT into glass and my consoles into pancakes...

[Anonymous No.10790621]

>>10790573
I had mine like this for some time now, that shelf only has four standoffs and a single hardback notebook keeping it from collapsing. The CRT is pretty light by itself (around 6kg, I believe) but it also has speakers in the back and a laptop that acts like a SMB server for PS2.

[Anonymous No.10790656]

>>10790621
Say bye bye to that dreamcast lil bro.

[Anonymous No.10790969]

Tomorrow is the day. At 11:30 during my lunch break I will go grab a KV-21FX30E. Hopefully working. Hopefully has the original remote. Hopefully fits in my car. Hopefully fits on the cheap POS steel shelf.

[Anonymous No.10790981]

>>10790969
21" will fit in a kei car, don't worry

[Anonymous No.10791014]

You fags better have one of these around before they're gone for good.

[Anonymous No.10791030]

>>10790218
>On an LCD if you run 60fps@120hz it looks the same as 60fps@60hz
That is incorrect. Framerate/Refresh mismatch also affects flat panels, which is why VRR delivers a smoother experience.

[Anonymous No.10791252]

[Anonymous No.10791457]

>>10791030
It looks the same as long as the refresh rate is framerate multiplied by an integer. The key here is to have identical frame times, when they vary, we perceive that as stutter. That's why stable 30fps@60Hz is better than variable framerate hovering around 40fps, for example (unless you have VRR, though it tends to work best at higher framerates).
In reality, 120Hz (and its multiples) is the best universal refresh rate because it's an integer scale multiple of 24, 30 and 60, the most used framerates in video and game content (not counting PAL, you'd need 600Hz to also scale those frequencies right).

[Anonymous No.10791543]

>>10791457
>It looks the same as long as the refresh rate is framerate multiplied by an integer
FPS/HZ mismatch causes stutter.
https://www.testufo.com/

[Anonymous No.10791703]

>>10791543
Seeing that alien fucker for the first time is like gaining insight in call of chtulhu.
You live your life in blissful ignorance, see this green piece of shit once and go mad, your life is ruined, you can't just scroll a website, you can't just watch a video, you can't just play a game, you can't sleep at night.

[Anonymous No.10791734]

>>10791703
Unironically this. Bad motion clarity already bothered me before but I just accepted it as inevitable until I saw a CRT again.

[Anonymous No.10791787]

>>10790981
Aren't kei cars boxes with a boxy spacious trunk? I'm in a sporty hatch.

[Anonymous No.10791792]

>>10791703
>240hz
werks on my machine

[Anonymous No.10791821]

>>10791543
>VSYNC is not available on the Linux platform

[Anonymous No.10791942]

>>10791787
Well the definition is broad, a kei car can mean both a cube on wheels and something like an S2000, for example.

[Anonymous No.10791947]

>>10791942
>and something like an S2000
Not quite, kei is an official classification which the s2000 does not meet. Something like a Cappuccino or a Honda Beat would be a kei car, however.
>a maximum vehicle length, width and height under 3.4 m (11.2 ft), 1.48 m (4.9 ft) and 2.0 m (6.6 ft) respectively, and engine displacement under 660 cc (40.3 cu in)

[Anonymous No.10791953]

>>10791947
Yeah I got a bit confused there because of the S660, which is both a kei-car and a kind of a successor to the S2000.

[Anonymous No.10791994]

Midgar…home.

[Anonymous No.10792107]

>>10769616
Is there any good HDMI to Component/S-Video solution that doesn't require me buying a $300 converter? I've seen these on Amazon but I'm not 100% sure they'll work on a CRT

[Anonymous No.10792251]

>>10786183
instead of chasing a meme, you can line double and still get (faint) scanlines on a monitor. It's called 480p, dawgs. obsessing over scanlines diminishes the whole point of doing this which is to enjoy retro entertainment. It's sad when people started watching anime and tv shows in 240p, which they were never formatted for, just to see scanlines.

[Anonymous No.10792275]

>>10792251
>It's sad when people started watching anime and tv shows in 240p
No one ever.

[Anonymous No.10792395]

>>10790169
>presentation monitor
rare as fuck but I'll keep an eye out. Is there a list anywhere of all the major models so I can search for em?

[Anonymous No.10792574]

>>10792251
People watch them in 480i anon, not 240p
480p is also fine but the best for shows is 576i/p at 24fps

[Anonymous No.10792592]

>>10792574
>>10792275
some goobers do watch in 240p. Especially the r/crtgaymers.

>576i/p
Not optimal unless you are watching old broadcasts of 'Are You Being Served?'.

[Anonymous No.10792625]

>>10792592
DVDs in Australia are usually pretty good
A lot of them are cleaner than rips I find online
Also not sure how people would watch things in 240p, is there some downscaler that allows it?
I usually just let my 360 transcode everything, even does 1080p stuff

[Anonymous No.10792793]

>>10792275
WTF is going on with Goku's face there?
You should at least be watching anime at 480i and not 240p

BTW fuck Toei for not giving DB/Z/GT a proper 1080p remaster

[Anonymous No.10792890]

>>10792592
>576i
>not optimal
PAL DVDs are the best version with the majority of old media that did not get a good rerelease on BD

[Anonymous No.10793018]

>>10792107
HDMI to component can be good IF you can make your graphics card output 480i/240p, these converters don't downscale.
HDMI to s-video doesn't exist, you can try HDMI to VGA converter then put it in something like VGA2NTSC

[Anonymous No.10793030]

>>10792793
Taking a still image at 480i only shows one field anon
That’s why you are seeing 240p
It is most likely not displaying at 240p

[Anonymous No.10793052]

>>10793030
You can set shutter speed to 1/30 to get both, it will look blurry though.

[Anonymous No.10793062]

>>10793018
Are there graphic cards that can produce interlaced HDMI output?

[Anonymous No.10793068]

>>10793062
Older ATI cards what work with crtemudriver.
Pretty sure you can also cook up some super res shit on modern cards in linux but I have no experience with that. You can do super res progressive in windows but it refuses to do interlaced modes for me.

[Anonymous No.10793154]

>wake up sick
>have fever and shit
>still want to go get my CRT
>leave during my lunch break
>look like shit
>in my pyjamas and look like I'm dying
>go there
>it's a cute cougar selling it
>start getting insecure because I look retarded
>asks me if I'm gonna use it for games
>even more insecure because now I look like an autistic manchild
>n-no haha I j-just like old technology
>probably appeared even more autistic

Damn. L rizz bros. L rizz. CRT secured though I guess.

[Anonymous No.10793156]

>>10793154
I just hope this bitch works well, considering it doesn't look as minty as it did in the pictures. Look at the plastic on the front for example. Hopefully I didn't get fleeced because I paid 50 bucks and didn't even test it beforehand.

[Anonymous No.10793161]

I need a CRT that can do 16:9 in PAL. What do?

[Anonymous No.10793165]

>>10793161
If you're in Europe pick up any 25"+ TV made after 1994 with remote intact, it should have a 16:9 mode. If anywhere else you're probably sol.
Why do you even need specifically that, anyway?

[Anonymous No.10793172]

>>10793165
Well I guess I don't exactly, but I'd like it. Wipeout 3 Special Edition. Loved the game as a kid, but I don't live in PAL country.

[Anonymous No.10793183]

>>10793172
If you're outside yurop you'll have to find a PVM or a comparable video monitor I guess.
NTSC PS1 also wouldn't be able to display a PAL game in color over composite/s-video so you need something with RGB.

[Anonymous No.10793197]

Idk I think it looks good.

[Anonymous No.10793203]

>>10793197
>forgot image

[Anonymous No.10793212]

>>10793165
that became common in the US too but later. my flat CRTs made after 2000 have it. you can just shrink the vertical size enough on most sets as a ghetto way of doing it. Works pretty well to get a sharper picture from anamorphic widescreen

[Anonymous No.10793216]

>>10793183
So I need to get a PAL PlayStation if I want to run it vanilla? Right now I have a PAL PS2, so I can run it component with the right TV.

[Anonymous No.10793217]

>>10793030
that's not true because of phosphor persistence. you'll still get both fields when you take a normal picture

[Anonymous No.10793242]

>>10793217
Man, you must have a really slow and laggy tv if that’s a thing for you
>>10793052
Yeah, I get those comb artificts when trying this, not really visible when watching though

[Anonymous No.10793250]

>>10793217
Absolute nonsense. The majority of the light output decays in less than 1ms.

[Anonymous No.10793263]

>>10793250
Ok retard. Weird how when you take a picture it shows both fields though

[Anonymous No.10793269]

[Anonymous No.10793272]

>>10793269
wtf how did you take a picture of 480i? anon said it would only show half of it. your TV must be slow!

[Anonymous No.10793281]

>>10793272
Uhh I don't know but unfortunately it seems I'll have to open the tv for adjustments. The picture is kinda tilted and shit. It looks so much better than my GBS-C though. And I don't even have SCART cables yet.

[Anonymous No.10793306]

>>10793281
looks pretty straight on the left side. might just be some horizontal bowing instead of tilt. both my flat CRTs have some.

[Anonymous No.10793327]

>>10793306
There's a rotate option in the menu which helps, although if you look closely in the bottom right and top right corners, you'd see the picture should be moved to the right and down as well.

[Anonymous No.10793341]

>>10793216
PS2 simplifies things, didn't think about that. Still, not sure there are that many regular TVs that support 50Hz outside of video monitors in non-PAL territories.

>>10793212
I didn't mean widescreen is a european thing, just PAL

[Anonymous No.10793484]

>>10793281
Unless you want to spin the yoke around or adjust the convergence the rest of geometry controls on such a late model is in service menu.

[Anonymous No.10793514]

>>10793484
FUCK I ENTERED THE SERVICE MENU ON ACCIDENT AND PRESSED A BUNCH OF OF NUMBERS AND THINGS CHANGED

[Anonymous No.10793515]

>>10793514
Write the numbers down before changing shit.

[Anonymous No.10793548]

>>10793515
I got this screen before while trying to enter and I pressed some numbers. Don't know how these values looked like before...

[Anonymous No.10793613]

>>10793272
I mean it really depends on the conditions

[Anonymous No.10793784]

>>10793613
thats showing both fields

[Anonymous No.10794053]

>>10793548
calm your shit and look up the service manual for your model. It will usually usually have a section explaining each option in the service menu, the 'default' values and the typical useful range

[Anonymous No.10794061]

>>10793548
hangman gameplay

[Anonymous No.10794283]

$20. How'd I do?

[Anonymous No.10794285]

>>10794283
It didn't come with a power cable but the thrift store I got it from let me use one to confirm it did power on.

[Anonymous No.10794330]

>>10794283
>>10794285
20 bucks is 20 bucks but I think some mac monitors actually require a mac to control them, look around

[Anonymous No.10794360]

>>10794330
It uses VGA for output, I have a friend bringing me a VGA to displayport converter tomorrow. So if it works and I can use it great. If not, I can probably sell it for more than what I paid for it

[Anonymous No.10794462]

>>10794360
It does not use VGA. I am retarded. It uses DB15. Getting an adapter for this seems to be a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.10794679]

>>10794462
anon, vga is db-15

[Anonymous No.10794776]

>>10793548
You're supposed to press MENU when on this screen to get to the service menu itself. Entering 00 should exit the service mode, other numbers are usually some shortcuts useful for testing, for example set volume to X, switch to 16:9, set contrast to max, etc.
The TV looks good btw, it's a good score I'd say. Take your time tweaking the picture, get RGB cables for your consoles and play some games.

also
>Heroes 3 in the background
based

[Anonymous No.10794865]

>>10794283
>>10794285
ah damn I thought it was the 21" from the first pic.
Still, thats a good monitor with trinitron picture bulb.
However as another anon pointed out you might run into trouble without a mac since apple was allways a nigger company

[Anonymous No.10795084]

My garage is getting full

[Anonymous No.10795091]

My garage is getting full

[Anonymous No.10795120]

>>10795091
If you organize your garage it will be less full. You might even be able to get your car inside.

[Anonymous No.10795175]

>>10793062
nvidia gpus other than the gtx 1600 series and after

[Anonymous No.10795191]

>>10794285
i think that model is fixed scan. all specs i can find only list 832x624 at 75Hz and 50kHz. so pretty much only good for compatible macs, although you could in theory use it with something else with the proper adapter and resolution. i have a similar apple fixed scan monitor and i haven't tried it with a pc yet because the proprietary db-15 connector it uses takes combined sync and i haven't built a sync combiner.

[Anonymous No.10795327]

>>10795091
> filled with bugs
> stored outside
disgusting

[Anonymous No.10795482]

>>10791014
how often does is actually rejuvenate for longer than a few minutes

[Anonymous No.10795616]

>>10794776
Yesterday I spent hours trying to learn and tweak that shit. used a PS2 240p test suite iso (not emulating MD). This is the best I could do. Setting vertical linearity and "s correction" was the most difficult. I also can't seem to get the width and height correct I believe. As far as I understood these should be actual squares, but to get them square I kind of need to squish down the vertical size and it goes under the borders, which bothers me. Other than that I'm not sure why it's kind of fuzzy around the red area. Text in games is also kinda fuzzy too, but I believe that's just because I'm using composite cables?

[Anonymous No.10795619]

>>10795616
And this is what I'm looking at for cables right now. Kinda expensive for my taste, especially considering I'd have to pay customs on top, but I'm not sure if I have better alternatives.

[Anonymous No.10795725]

>>10795616
its because you are using composite.
Also turn down brightness, the inside of these squares is supposed to be black.
Apart from that this is nearly perfect, most people with flat crt TVs can only dream of such geometry

[Anonymous No.10795738]

>>10795616
>but to get them square I kind of need to squish down the vertical size and it goes under the borders, which bothers me.
Make it wider on the horizontal then?
>it's kind of fuzzy around the red area
If you mean dot crawl on red lines then it's the composite

>>10795619
That scart switcher is definitely worth it. You can likely get a good M-M Scart for much cheaper used if you shop around. On a CRT you can get away with really shitty aliexpress console cables without perceived loss of video quality but sound on them is very noisy.

[Anonymous No.10795806]

>>10795725
>the inside of these squares is supposed to be black
Damn I didn't know. It should be back though, this is just some other option for the grid that changes the colors. Used it for visibility for my values. I also rotated it a bit after.
>>10795738
>Make it wider on the horizontal then?
Yeah but then part of the game gets cut off.

Also, fuck aliexpress. What I was looking for was a M-F scart cable, so I can have it plugged in to the CRT, and change my consoles manually without having to reach behind. Would save me 50 on the switcher and customs fees, but I can't find a good one locally.

[Anonymous No.10796250]

>>10795806
>Yeah but then part of the game gets cut off.
That's normal and how every TV was back in the day. Look up overscan. If you think you don't want at least some of it then you are probably mistaken unless you like seeing junk at the edge of the screen you were never intended to see.

[Anonymous No.10796371]

>>10795616
This is better than most of the posts here, wtf are you smoking. You're going to drive yourself crazy trying to achieve perfection. Go play some games dude.

[Anonymous No.10796372]

>>10792574
where do you even download anime or shows in 480i?

[Anonymous No.10796384]

>>10796371
I've played a lot of Soul Calibur 3 since I got it, even though it's still on the floor and it's not too comfortable. I also tried some sprite games, but unfortunately I can't really see the scan lines.

[Anonymous No.10796397]

>>10796372
You download them in 480p and put them in a player that outputs 480i.
Or download DVD images if you need actual 480i but I'm not sure there would be a difference in the end.

[Anonymous No.10796467]

>>10795616
Bro, that's nearly perfect. You probably won't get anything better than this, especially on a flat screen. So congratulations on getting a really good set.
As for overscan, it can be a bit tricky to get it right based on the grid alone. My personal benchmark for it is FF7 menus, I always adjust it so that they fill the screen and don't get cut off even a bit. Preferably on an NTSC version.
The fuzziness comes from composhit, don't worry about it. Everything should look good with RGB.

[Anonymous No.10796496]

>>10769616
Troopers i found this little thing near my house and brought it up but has only 1 composite end on the back and a chewed up connector? What can i do?

[Anonymous No.10796504]

>>10796397
I got a Sony Bluray that has composite output (the last ones made) and i connect to my CRT. It plays 4:3 and widescreen files just fine unless its pillarboxed natively.

[Anonymous No.10796505]

>>10796496
Here's the chewed off part. Can i resurrect this?

[Anonymous No.10796509]

>>10769976
RF is going to look sick on that. You'll need an F-Type female to Twin-Lead adapter (screw terminals to cable plug). RF is life, enjoy that set.

[Anonymous No.10796519]

>>10796505
You can strip that end, twist a new plug end on and wrap the wires (separately) in electric tape, super easy. Soldering the two halves together and using heat shrink would be better if you're able.

[Anonymous No.10796525]

>>10796505
this is basic DIY, not really CRT specific. https://www.wikihow.com/Replace-a-Power-Cord-Plug

probably a better guide but it's simple. Just buy a plug and wire it up after splicing the cable down some. You can also do it ghetto style by cutting the cable off something else and electrical taping them together.

[Anonymous No.10796527]

>>10796372
you can find DVD rips easily for a lot of stuff. But you can also just watch an HD copy of something downscaled. Blu-ray anime remasters look better than the DVD sometimes even downscaling to 480i. depends on the show

[Anonymous No.10796545]

>>10794462
They sell them on Amazon, anon, it's just a dumb pin converter. However, that monitor in particular is an odd-ball, curious to see if you can do anything with it at all.

832x624 (50.0 kHz Horiz. Scan, 75.0 Hz Vert. Scan)

[Anonymous No.10796554]

>>10796467
You know what though? It looked great with the grid, and especially when I rotated it a bit to the right after, although after starting SC3 on my PS2 today I noticed it was a bit fucked. I can't tell if it's bad settings or if the TV forgot a setting overnight. Maybe it's because 240p and 480i I don't know. For example in my old image you can see the top right and left corners are clearly filled in. Today when I played the top corners were bowed to the inside a bit instead. I am so confused.

[Anonymous No.10796575]

>>10796519
He could just use a crimp connector

[Anonymous No.10796709]

>>10796554
Rotating it might have had an effect on geometry, it responds to the Earth's magnetic field after all. You could check the service menu again to see if you can make it better again. I doubt the TV forgot any of your settings, but you could try exiting the menu by pressing the TV (empty white box) or MENU button once more before going into standby just to make sure.
Blooming will affect it, too. The grid has uniform picture level, so it's all straight, but in reality when you've got a brighter object on the screen (like a full white UI element, or even a skybox), it will inflate and fuck up the geometry a bit locally.
480i/240p shouldn't matter in this case. However, switching between PAL and NTSC might give you some discrepancies, especially in picture size and position.

[Anonymous No.10796748]

>>10795616
>>10795725
>>10796371
>>10796384
>Apart from that this is nearly perfect, most people with flat crt TVs can only dream of such geometry
>This is better than most of the posts here, wtf are you smoking. You're going to drive yourself crazy trying to achieve perfection. Go play some games dude.
I'm gonna hunt down and murder this weak pyjama wearing anon, take their CRT and post 1 picture of it a year taken with a short tele from a perfectly dark room where even LEDs are taped over.
Some parts of the world you'll be lucky to see a single decent 21" available a year within 25-50 miles and this first timer is having a shitfit.

>>10795175
>nvidia gpus other than the gtx 1600 series and after
Not sure about Volta or later but you can actually can on turing.
-but NV GPUs are a massive PITA to use with custom resolutions/refresh rates if you have to enable/disable features/settings like NIS, DSR or integer scaling across multiple monitors.

[Anonymous No.10796805]

>>10796748
Not weak, I'm just injured. I'd kill you.

[Anonymous No.10796819]

>>10796748
>turing
really? because i have a 2070S and i've never been able to output interlaced, hdmi nor displayport, on windows nor linux with official drivers nor nouveau

[Anonymous No.10796926]

>>10796525
>>10796519
>>10796505
>>10796496
I think ill perform a small surgery using the power chord of my old dvd player, has the same specs, 300v.

[Anonymous No.10796931]

>>10796525
>>10796519
>>10796505
>>10796496

God dammit i hate when 4chan does not take my pic, here it is

[Anonymous No.10796940]

>>10796931
MERCHANT

[Anonymous No.10796942]

>>10796931
Here's the original end connector for this CRT.

[Anonymous No.10796995]

>>10796942
Wish mr luck

[Anonymous No.10797037]

seething janny got mad at a joke about wires resembling an image in a fucking old tv thread
>>10796995
good luck

[Anonymous No.10797038]

>>10796926
dont worry so much, its just a power cable, its not rocket science.
When my soldering iron broke I even fixed one with a zippo lighter
but still i congratulate you on fixing it, most people here wouldnt even try
hope the TV works fine apart from the cable for you anon

[Anonymous No.10797082]

>>10797038
Thanks, but i didnt even solder or heated the wires, i just tape them with electric tape, but i tried to turn the TV on and the buttons were completly stiff and the power button, doesnt work so far, i am being careful to continue because truth be told, i dont have security gloves right now, let alone that special diacharge tools or alligator clips

[Anonymous No.10797138]

>>10795616
looks fine
remember the red overscan area is supposed to be slightly bleeding off the edge of the screen
& likely was when it was shipped from the factory

literally BETTER than stock anon

[Anonymous No.10797143]

>>10797082
I gotta be honest, i hit a roadblock because of this thing, i dont have neither the special anti discharge screwdrive like tool or the alligator clips, i sadly couldnt find safety anti charge gloves, and the electric tape went a bit loose

[Anonymous No.10797171]

>>10797143
Also i could swear i saw some smoke fumes coming out of this

[Anonymous No.10797216]

>>10797143
you can get alligator clips easy at any hardware store or online
you can use any big flat head screwdriver, since the only things you really need is a object that can conduct electricity and then something to transfer that electricity to ground

[Anonymous No.10797236]

>>10797216
Ok fellas, i did my very best, cleaned up as much as i could considering i didnt have the rest of the tools at the moment, i survived so far, no shocks, put the cable as ghetto as i could, put everything back together, plugged in, and yes, red light, but i am gonna wait a while before i turn it on for real.

[Anonymous No.10797237]

>>10797236
yeah i would sodler that cable i bet it didnt turn on cause of that
no solder is just asking for trouble

[Anonymous No.10797240]

>>10797237
Nope, turn on

[Anonymous No.10797250]

>>10797240
Welp, final results.

Good news, turn on, so far. No boom

Bad News tough, picture is shit, distorted from top and bottom, and awful white lines at top, also green and purpling color burn......well fuck.

Also buttons are hard to get work and just like any TV, they get their functions confused and sometimes just turn the TV off.

At the very least it does 240p, but pic look a bit too blurry too.

Oh well, dunno if i should keep it, i tried.

[Anonymous No.10797251]

>>10797250
Also sound aint the best.

[Anonymous No.10797252]

>>10797250
turn down g2 and brightness that should fix most of your issues allready
nice set and very fixable

[Anonymous No.10797253]

>>10797252
What is G2, sorry i am not familiar with certain terms, also will it fix tge white lines and distorted geometry?

[Anonymous No.10797303]

>>10797253
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/i0nr2g/can_someone_help_explain_g2_voltage_adjustments/

[Anonymous No.10797430]

>>10797171
thats the flyback. thats the g2 adjustment screw in your picture labelled screen. smoke might just be all that crust burning away. set your contrast and brightness to the middle level on the menu before you adjust the g2 pot.

[Anonymous No.10797646]

>>10797253
it should fix the white lines yes.
You need to turn it down untill black is true black,

[Anonymous No.10798027]

>>10797646
Thanks, but what about the geometry distortion?

[Anonymous No.10798078]

>>10771525
What gaem is this?

[Anonymous No.10798080]

>>10795191
I've been troubleshooting it over the past few days and getting everything I need converted and setup is more trouble than it's worth to me. I'm just going to try and sell it.

[Anonymous No.10798090]

>>10798078
Really Zoomie?

[Anonymous No.10798093]

>>10798078
Looks like spider-man PS1

[Anonymous No.10798559]

>>10793154
did you at least get her number?

[Anonymous No.10798689]

>>10798559
I mean yeah I have it because it's listed in the ad on the website for you to call and meet up?

[Anonymous No.10798691]

>>10796819
>really?
Yes.
>because i have a 2070S
Me too.

[Anonymous No.10798994]

I'm really enjoying my new CRT bros.

[Anonymous No.10799016]

I saw a cute little CRT on the facebook marketplace, 14 inches but with S-video and component inputs, granted it only supports 240p/480i. I just wanted to ask, would S-video/component be that much of a visual improvement on a display that small? Figured it'd be nice to have around to play some PS2/OG Xbox on at least.

[Anonymous No.10799030]

>>10799016
Yolo buy it.

[Anonymous No.10799113]

>>10798691
alright, what's your setup?

[Anonymous No.10799194]

>>10799016
14 inches is big enough to see a difference. Go ahead as long its not a stupid price

[Anonymous No.10799246]

>>10795616
Zoomers have got to go.

[Anonymous No.10799301]

>>10798027
just go one problem at a time.
By reducing brightness geometry should get better, the rest you can do in the service menu.
also flat crt TVs will just never be perfect

[Anonymous No.10799304]

>>10798027
check out your service menu for geometry settings, if you want to go further then take the back case off and manipulate the geometry manually by putting magnets directly on the tube.

[Anonymous No.10799363]

>>10793269
>Beyblade
My nigger

[Anonymous No.10799417]

>>10799304
>magnets direct into the tube?

Aint that dangerous?

>>10799301
Thank you man

[Anonymous No.10799446]

>>10799016
i use svid almost exclusively
so yes

[Anonymous No.10799460]

20 inch sanyo

[Anonymous No.10799520]

>>10799417
It's not going to explode? You just place them around the yoke stuck to double sided adhesive tape. Can also tape directly onto the yoke's circle.

[Anonymous No.10799535]

>>10799520
I would try swapping capacitors before doing that.
Its very likely the bad geometry is atleast partially caused by aging capacitors

[Anonymous No.10799990]

>>10799246
Go tell them then. Not sure why you replied to me. Are you new and still figuring out how the website works?

[Anonymous No.10800132]

>>10795482
can range from minutes to years
might as well do it if the tube looks bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCtOCFtIjc

[Anonymous No.10800415]

How close to your CRT do you sit at when gaming? I feel like I have to get extra close to the screen whenever I'm playing any 3D PS2 game, but can be wherever if it's pixel stuff.

[Anonymous No.10800860]

Would placing high-end headphones near a CRT cause any issues due to the magnets? Thinking about getting some planars but I sit close so I dunno.

[Anonymous No.10800878]

>>10800860
If you open the TV up and put the headphones straight on the neck of the tube then maybe it will fuck up the corners a little, don't recommend doing that.
Otherwise no and why would it.

[Anonymous No.10800884]

after experimenting with many CRTs for almost a decade now, I've found myself loving late 60s color tv sets the most. A real wooden cabinet and wiring before the age of circuit boards, plus vacuum tubes, entirely made in the US is something special.

[Anonymous No.10800921]

>>10800878
Figured the magnets in higher-end headphones would be stronger and that it might be similar to placing unshielded speakers near the sides of the tube. Good to know it won't be an issue.

[Anonymous No.10802313]

Looking at this Sanyo HT32744 on FB Marketplace. Apparently it's got HDMI but is still obviously 4:3. Do these TVs work the same as the 16:9 HD CRTs and run all the inputs through a digital to analog converter or are the analog inputs spared from this treatment? Or how would I even find out? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.10802535]

There's something I find particularly gorgeous about old, shitty, RF CRTs. It's hard to explain exactly how I feel about them.
I'm sure that a lot of us didn't grow up with RF-only inputs, so it's not any more nostalgic than just a normal AV CRT.
But, in a way, RF CRTs kind of feel like how our minds eye remembers CRTs from our 2020+ point of view.
I like to classify things like that as "pessimistic nostalgia."
It's not how it REALLY happened, we're not experiencing REAL nostalgia, it's like the nostalgia version of déjà vu.


ANYWAY that's enough spiritual bullshit. Here's a bunch of pictures I took of my RF CRT because I find them very pretty!
And please excuse my shitty camerawork. I'm a nerd, not a photographer :)
https://rgbmew.neocities.org/crt

[Anonymous No.10802554]

>>10802313
So that's where these bad boys wanna be home

[Anonymous No.10802563]

>>10802313
>Do these TVs work the same as the 16:9 HD CRTs
Extremely likely
>how would I even find out
Drop shadow test in 240p suite

[Anonymous No.10802694]

Guys I think I cooked. Just praying to God it doesn't collapse although it does feel sturdy...

[Anonymous No.10802769]

>>10802554
>tacky HDMI logos plasterred in via MSPaint

Yeah, seems legit..................dumbass

[Anonymous No.10802892]

>>10770035
Assuming the VCR has a good modulator, that could be a good way to improve image quality on an old piece of shit like a color roundie and give it the offical "GaMeR'z ChOiCe" shango066 shit stamp of approval. Who here has the oldest working TV anyhow?

[Anonymous No.10802906]

>>10802535
That was a mistake...

[Anonymous No.10802917]

>>10802892
I have a 1967 Zenith color console, but somebody with a 50s b/w tv could beat me. I don't really have an interest in using the tiny black and whites

[Anonymous No.10802970]

>>10769616
I recently acquired a pretty decent CRT unexpectedly from a neighbor, which was nice to have a CRT again because when I last set up my old one I had color issues.

Anyways, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on some kind of stupid rig to get output from a PC or a macbook to the CRT for watching shows and movies.
I was wondering if I could do DisplayPort to VGA, and then get one of those VGA boxes that people say are pretty decent, because I'd like to use S-Video if possible.

[Anonymous No.10802974]

>>10802970
just for movies and shows I would use a simple hdmi/displayport to s-video downscaler, you don't need to get fancy as long as it respects aspect ratios and doesn't crush the colors. Alternativey, you could/should use a ps3 either hacked to play mkv's or over a media server, because the ps3 is one of the best old media players around

[Anonymous No.10803369]

>>10802970
>>10802974
I just have a Sony Bluray player that plays MKVs but not loseless MakeMKV codecs or AVIs, but it has composite output for my CRT.

I suppose i mentioned this before.

[Anonymous No.10803416]

>>10803369
The issue going from computers to s-vid and composite is that the market for those converters is very limited, and it mostly doesn’t account for quality. I don’t know of any good s-video converters. I suppose the highest quality thing to do is to get a string of DP-VGA-component-s-vid transcoders that don’t scale or apply processing at all. I think if you tried going straight from dp/vga to svid this would be impossible to find.
That’s why I think the ps3 that can do the media and the display processing natively is perfect.

[Anonymous No.10803525]

>>10802313
from the service manual it looks like all analog inputs are converted into digital and scaled before being sent to the jungle chip. i couldn't find a datasheet for the jungle chip CXA2180QM or the "digital module", but the pins on the jungle input are listed as Y CB CR, indicating a digital signal. Interestingly, there seem to be some unused inputs on the jungle chip for both YCbCr (digital) and RGB, but based on the fact that the OSD RGB signal appears to be digital (osd chip M37151MA, i can't confirm that it's a digital signal but it seems like it) and all the other jungle chip inputs are digital, i can only assume the unused RGB input is also digital.
i have an hd toshiba which also has a scaling module which the service manual doesn't go into detail about. maybe it was a trade secret or something. at any rate, that sanyo tv seems to convert everything to digital hd and then display it. it might even only do 1080i, since that's what the service manual says. unknown if it would even do 540p or how it would display a 480p or SD signal. i can't even tell if it takes a 720p signal (it seems to, though), which usually indicates that it doesn't display native 480p

[Anonymous No.10803553]

Do PVMs last longer than consumer CRTs?

Might be worth the extra cost if they last longer and I only have to buy 1 or 2 in a lifetime vs 5 consumer CRTs.

[Anonymous No.10803557]

>>10803525
Tedious story short, wont do 240p

[Anonymous No.10803569]

>>10803557
can't confirm absolutely, but yeah, very likely it doesn't. it probably displays 240p a non-integer scaled interlaced mess, but there's only one way to find out. different models of hd tvs will display 240p signals differently. some supposedly even do framedoubled 240p. there are also presentation monitors which display 240p60, but this isn't one of them.

[Anonymous No.10803625]

>>10803553
You still cant beat Free~$10 vs $250 for the crappiest PVM models.

[Anonymous No.10803630]

>>10803625
all the crts on fb marketplace are $100+. The jig is up.

[Anonymous No.10803653]

>>10803630
>using fakebook
normies get out reeee

[Anonymous No.10803690]

>>10803553
PVMs seem to be hyped up as some amazing thing, but they really arn't that special, not fundmentally different to a normal tv.

[Anonymous No.10803712]

>>10769981
>But I bet you're a retard and didn't realize that it has a flap on the front where composite RCA connectors should be located.
Little rude there, chief.

[Anonymous No.10803736]

>>10770769
It's too expensive for such a niche market, plus a lot of lead goes into the glass during manufacturing. Best you can hope for is people at places like the Early Television Museum http://www.earlytelevision.org/ keeping, rebuilding and preserving the existing tech.

[Anonymous No.10803783]

>>10803736
whatever happened to that break out board Open Source CRT Chassis that was supposed to turn any crt into an rgb arcade monitor.

[Anonymous No.10803868]

>>10803553
all crts will last exactly as long as you can fix them.
If by last longer you mean last longer without maintenance offcourse not what do you think?
>>10803690
offcourse a TV monitor is not fundamentally different from a TV

[Anonymous No.10803881]

>>10797430
>>10797646
>>10799304
>>10799301
>>10799535
>>10797250
>>10797240
>>10797236
>>10797171
>>10797216
>>10797143
>>10796995
>>10796942
>>10796505
>>10796496

Hey fellas, its me again, the Lexus CRT guy, i tried to do some testing on the TV to adjust those internal nobs but when i plug the TV on one of my wall sockets i got no signal, so i went back to the power supply and i decided to actually solder this sons of bitches.

I have bought some stuff out of memory

Soldering Stein
The Soldering Gun (basic one)
Anti-static elexcrician gloves (not rubber ones)
Alligator clips
Canned Air spray

What else do i need to continue tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.10803969]

>>10803881
>Soldering Gun
You either got something that isn't intended for electronics work and will damage your board with too much heat or you got some cheap piece of shit that will quickly lose its heat causing you to hold the gun to the board for too long resulting in damage. What you want is a temperature controlled soldering iron.

You don't need gloves or alligator clips. You shouldn't be touching anything that will get you shocked.

You didn't mention solder but I'm sure that you are aware that you need it. Unless lead free solder was originally used stick with regular solder. 63/37 is ideal if you can easily find it but 60/40 is perfectly fine. You will want something to remove the old solder; I find desoldering wick to be easier to use than a desoldering bulb. Flux will make the desoldering process easier.

Practice on something you don't care about first.

Also, for the love of god do not ever do such a cringeworthy hack job of a repair on a power cord like that again.

[Anonymous No.10804068]

>>10803969
He said he just wanted to fix the power supply cord, not work on the actual board, also he showed that the simple electric tape hack worked the first time >>10797250

[Anonymous No.10804125]

>>10795091
Please stop letting things rust/mold in your damp car hole

[Anonymous No.10804130]

Are "CRT walls" a thing in your local alt music scene?

[Anonymous No.10804156]

>>10802535
That pic of snow/static is a bit different from how it usually looked in the past, now that terrestrial television is encoded differently

[Anonymous No.10804240]

>>10803783
Dunno. Haven't really been following it lately.

[Anonymous No.10804290]

>>10803969
>You either got something that isn't intended for electronics work and will damage your board with too much heat or you got some cheap piece of shit that will quickly lose its heat causing you to hold the gun to the board for too long resulting in damage
Pure skill issue
https://twitter.com/Voultar/status/1737942356698272005

[Anonymous No.10804623]

>>10802917
Neat, pretty much have to be able to fix it yourself unless you know a local guy who can. I want an early color tube set Zenith or RCA but I almost never see them here in Vancouver and some think old TV/Radio = worth a lot of money. Pisses me off, I just want to play Skyrim on a real old TV for kicks...and have to fix it when something inevitably goes wrong kek, I do electronics for fun anyway.
>and to keep whinging about item prices...not. maannnt want/can cope with something like an old TV/amp/radio but they want top dollar and whine how it doesn't sell. Bought an RCA radio from 1938...neat and gorgeous sure, amazing it survived and was $30. All it is worth IMO...there are lots of cool wood radios out there, supply exceeds demand, especially since sw is dead and am is on it's last legs. But a fuckin old, stinks like cigs, worn out CRT TV? Holy shit, better take out a loan and sell a motorcycle cause the asshole thinks it's worth $5000. Fucking retarded b.astards. Even a 50's B&W would be cool, hot chassis or not. Guess I could build my own, I do have a 6" CRT/driver board but persistence is kinda high and like you say why play on it...shitty experience.

[Anonymous No.10804745]

>>10803569
Thank you for the investigation anon. Think I'll pass on this set then.

[Anonymous No.10804750]

>>10803630
Sucks to be you. Not at all true where I live.

[Anonymous No.10805006]

Do CRTs degrade over time or with use?

So if I have a couple CRTs and keep most in storage for backups will they be safe until I start using them?

[Anonymous No.10805036]

>>10805006
I don't know but I'm paranoid too my bro. I just secured my nice little CRT and I'm already scared for it's future.

[Anonymous No.10805108]

>>10805006
>>10805036
I'm hoping with increase interest in CRTs plus museums having an interest, that people will be able to maintain and rebuild them as needed much like Boomers do with their antique muscle cars.

[Anonymous No.10805120]

>>10805108
What if I opened mine up and changed all the caps?

[Anonymous No.10805121]

Retrotink 5x to an hdmi to vga adapter to a sony cpd g220r

[Anonymous No.10805137]

>>10805120
Changing all the caps would be a good idea.

[Anonymous No.10805148]

>>10804068
It's all fun and games until the twisted wire becomes loose causing extra resistance which results in more heat which results in more resistance which results in more heat which results in burning the house down. The correct way of joining two wires in this situation would be with butt connectors and heat shrink. A hack job repair is never acceptable especially when failure can result in loss of property and life.

>>10805006
If you are talking about the tube itself there is probably some degradation with time but it isn't particularly consequential especially when compared to use.

[Anonymous No.10805157]

>>10805121
What game/console?

[Anonymous No.10805171]

>>10805157
xbox hola 2

[Anonymous No.10805285]

>>10805006
>>10805006
Watch shango066 on yt, he covers a lot of ground but they eventually wear out though sometimes a weak crt is just one that is "asleep", running cathode current through it over a period of time can be night/day difference. Noticed the same shit with NOS power tubes incidentally, worse with ones never used due to chemical changes in the cathode emitting surface and potential loss of vacuum/paarts slowly offgassing.
>>10805108
There are guys on youtube who DIY tubes, I don't see it as being impossible to replace the cathode coatings, if a universal jig was made to keep in alignment the electron gun in respect to phosphor/shadow mask. Basically cut the stem/evacuation port, repair cathode then replace the glass cut (filler rod?). Maybe a similar idea for other components...phosphors die.

[Anonymous No.10805719]