People were saying "new games suck" even back in 1994

[Anonymous No.10763612]

[Anonymous No.10763621]

>>10763612
Game design on the 4th gen consoles seemed a bit more predictable and lacked some of the experimentation or imaginative stuff found in the NES library. Too many side scrollers and (in Japan at least) RPGs.

[Anonymous No.10763643]

So what? The reason for someone saying it and the merit of that statement is what matters.
You posted people who want simple games and said that 3do and cd-i games look better than they play. Which is true. It was the beginning of the 3d era where it was a big deal but most 3d games then sucked ass when compared to established 2d games.
I don't see the issue and why you would compare it to now.

[Anonymous No.10763645]

>>10763612
Yeah, no shit. Anyone who was saying these things in the first place is either an autist or a normie who grew up on decent games and jumped ship to annual releases like sportsball games and shooters.
Apparently in the eyes of pop-culture video games can only exist if they either cost over 50m to make, or have a staff of <10 people.

[Anonymous No.10763657]

>>10763612
They were right.
But what isnt shown is that these nes obsessed guys from 94 are the market destroying collectors of today.

[Anonymous No.10763662]

>>10763612
>94
1992.

[Anonymous No.10763664]

>>10763612
>3DO and CD-i
He was right in this case. People still say most of those games suck, it wasn't just "new bad."

[Anonymous No.10763673]

>>10763612
The writing was on the wall clear as day. graphics whores aren't retro gamers

[Anonymous No.10763674]

>>10763612
I think even back then most people realized that the 3D0, Jaguar and the like weren't going to be the best use of new tech. And FMV sucked, they tried so hard to make it happen though.

[Anonymous No.10763675]

>>10763674
>>10763664
Yeah and he was actually right, most consoles crashed and the psx, the underpowered machine reigned supreme.

[Anonymous No.10763676]

>>10763664
This
>>10763621
wut. 4th gen was just 3rd gen with better graphics. 3rd and 4th gen was the Golden age of Home Video Games

[Anonymous No.10763683]

>>10763662
>im tired of sequels
>why dont make old arcade game collections?
i don't understand what point was he making
also arcade games were for simple, quick fun, most arcades dont translate well to have available at all times in your home to play for hours

[Anonymous No.10763708]

>>10763612
That's just a generational thing OP, it's not just "new games". Look back at older article's and you'll see someone complain about anything new. There are old newspaper articles where people complained about typewriters.

To add to this in 1991 the news reported on parents who were upset at Nintendo making the SNES instead of just sticking with the NES, they felt manipulated amongst other things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTzyz2TgGls

[Anonymous No.10763713]

>>10763612
The dude in the first letter has 10 video game systems at home including duplicate systems. Kids spoiled as hell in that family.

[Anonymous No.10763725]

>>10763612
But the guy was 100% right. SNES sucked overall compared to the NES era. The 3D PS1/Saturn/N64 era was even more pathetic and gay. It only started to get really good again around Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GC era, then got really good in the PS3/360 era. And it sucks AGAIN now in 2024, lmfao.

[Anonymous No.10763732]

>>10763612
>even back in 1994 faggots were coping because they couldn't afford toys
Pretty sure kids have been doing that for thousands of years

[Anonymous No.10763751]

>get cucked out of everything but NES
>UHH NES GAMES ARE BETTER ANYWAYS
Not sure this man has the most reliable opinion, even if we ignore that the "new Metroid and Final Fantasy games" he's desperate to play have to be on the SNES.

[Anonymous No.10763765]

>>10763683
>get good at home
>get high scores at arcade
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. Also:

[Anonymous No.10763780]

New games don't currently suck, by the way. We actually passed through the worst era from 07 through to like 2016. Games are pretty good now.

Everything Nintendo is doing, everything Capcom is doing, the Yakuza series, like ten new Soulslikes a year, a CRPG resurgence, indie masterpieces like Hypnospace Outlaw or Pizza Tower. I'm fairly content with it all.
People are so used to the idea that "new games are bad" at this point, that they just flat out stopped playing games, and they wont believe you.

[Anonymous No.10763859]

>>10763725
>SNES sucked overall compared to the NES era
Kind of. SNES games and NES were almost the same except SNES games looked better while NES looked like shitty pasted together blocks.

>The 3D PS1/Saturn/N64 era was even more pathetic and gay
Wrong. Games finally matched graphics/sovl with gameplay advancements. Games were great around this time.

>It only started to get really good again around Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GC
Games were starting to become very samey around this time. Don't get me wrong there's a lot of great games around this time but there's also a lot of overrated slop. Also graphics have aged the worst for this era. Too ugly to look good nowadays, too good looking to have sovl. Absolutely worst era for video game graphics. That being said there was a lot of great gameplay depth being added around this time

>then got really good in the PS3/360 era
Wrong. This is when games started to go on the decline. Games were more obsessed with trying to gain with mass appeal over gameplay depth which is why games around this time started to go to shit by being dumb down. The same thing said about the pervious generations graphics could he said about this generations graphics except to a less degree. Games around this time haven't aged the best graphically and they lack sovl but they still have their strengths. At least graphics from this time aren't shit ugly like the Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GC era

>And it sucks AGAIN now in 2024, lmfao
Pretty much but the indie industry isn't too bad if maybe a little unoriginal

[Anonymous No.10763871]

>>10763859
>SNES games and NES were almost the same except SNES games looked better while NES looked like shitty pasted together blocks.
come on like you're gonna do FF6 or Yoshi's Island on a NES

[Anonymous No.10763875]

>>10763871
I should've added that SNES games improved in gameplay depth and graphical tech

[Anonymous No.10763886]

>>10763612
People were also saying "new games are good" even back in 1994.

What's the point of such a post? Gonna link us the old Roman shitposts carved into building walls next? What an insipid and pointless thread. Shame on anyone that bumps this.

[Anonymous No.10763890]

>>10763859
>Everything that I grew up around was good except for the stuff that was a little too old for me to like, and everything that came out as I entered my teens started to become a bit boring.
Typical.

[Anonymous No.10763902]

>>10763890
Actually I didn't grow up in the era of gaming that I believe is the peak. But you could apply what you said to that anons post praising exclusively the
>Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GC era, then got really good in the PS3/360 era.

Next time quit projecting please

[Anonymous No.10763924]

>>10763780
There is still a mountain of shit and scummy practices going on in the industry, but it's definitely balanced out a bit more on the enjoyment scale.

[Anonymous No.10763931]

>>10763674
By the time my backwater ass saw a jaguar even i knew it was dying, same as when saturn had a console bundle with 3 games for a $100. I didnt read many mags as allowance was spent on renting games and comics etc, so it was just seeing stuff like snes still going while everyone else fell over themselves trying to be awesome that was my basis of thinking.
>>10763713
Most of it was his brothers stuff, but yeah. How many tvs did they have?

[Anonymous No.10763940]

>>10763612
There have always been people who say "new things suck". But the difference is, today its actually true. Not because "new things bad" but because the things being made today are bad, not all of them just most of them. Its a phase that will pass.

[Anonymous No.10763952]

>>10763780
>everything Capcom is doing
Bad ports of retro games, bad remakes of retro games, and bad sequels to retro games?

[Anonymous No.10764462]

>>10763780
Yeah, for all the nonsense you see going on with AAA gaming, the gaming market right now is big and varied enough that almost anyone can find something they like (though I still prefer retro generally)

[Anonymous No.10764608]

>>10763780
>Everything Nintendo is doing
Yeah I sure love sequels, Zelda becoming Ubislop open world games and Gamefreak shitting out broken, buggy games with even less content than previous releases

[Anonymous No.10764627]

>what's the deal in videogame land?

[Anonymous No.10764663]

I go back to 8-bit games more often than anything else. If your game can't be boiled down to 4 colors and 2 buttons, you're trying to get one over on me by using presentation to cover things up. So yeah, I'd have to agree that the 4th gen consoles were a bunch of bull-crap. There was stagnation in the sense of SNES games being just NES games but with better graphics. Same situation repeated itself, as the PS1 had more experimentation and less genre solidification compared to the PS2. Despite this, I do think gaming overall was in a healthier space up to that point. While the transition from 2D to 3D led to many developers going out of business, the transition to HD was worse. A bloodbath that was never recovered from.

[Anonymous No.10764694]

>NES is better than 4th gen consoles

You mean you didn't know? Lurk moar and play more

[Anonymous No.10764713]

>>10763886
>Gonna link us the old Roman shitposts carved into building walls next?

>chess has too much grinding.
>rugby is for women. real men wrestle in the nude
>the olympics went to shit when they stopped making poetry a competitive sport.
>I love the original duology. (Illiad and Odyssey.) Hesiod's prequels destroyed my childhood.
>Trojan Horse was an inside job
>*tips leafcrown* gods aren't real jovefag.
>they're teaching (((Socrates))) at my son's school today. We need to get rid off that fucking guy.
Seriously though, I'd be genuinely interested in Greco-Roman shitposts if there are any.

[Anonymous No.10764797]

>>10764663
An exception is made for PC games where the steadily improving memory capacity/graphics fidelity/CPU power allowed you to do things that weren't possible on a C64. For console games though it might not have been as big a deal.

[Anonymous No.10764826]

>>10764663
if you read interviews with contemporary programmers they always talk about the extreme limitations they had to work under and they were glad when more powerful hardware came along. nobody at the time would have thought the NES was preferable to the 16-bit consoles.

[Anonymous No.10764903]

>>10764826
If you read modern day devs interviews they'll also tell you how much better modern gaming is than, in fact old games were so bad every re-release need to fix the games with QOL Improvements such as savestates, rewind, and making out your stats with the click of a button. Literally unplayable otherwise!

[Anonymous No.10764906]

>>10764826
If you read modern day devs interviews they'll also tell you how much better modern gaming is than games from the 80s and 90s, in fact old games were so bad every re-release need to fix the games with QOL Improvements such as savestates, rewind, and maxing out your stats with the click of a button. Literally unplayable otherwise!

[Anonymous No.10764912]

>>10763612
They were right.

[Anonymous No.10764943]

>>10764826
>>10764906
The devs are wrong. The limitations kept them in check.

[Anonymous No.10765003]

>>10764826
I know you'll never find too many Atari 2600 guys except David Crane who enjoyed programming that thing.

[Anonymous No.10765007]

>>10764797
With a console game you just need to be able to move graphics around quickly, it's quite basic. PC games benefit a lot more from improved hardware.

[Anonymous No.10765013]

>>10763612
Up until the 7th generation, games were interesting, now everything is actually bad, they just have nice graphics but they all feel like they've been designed by committees

[Anonymous No.10765020]

>>10763952
RE7&8, DMCV, Dragon's Dogma 2.

[Anonymous No.10765023]

>>10764608
Splatoon is currently Nintendo's best series. You'd know that if you played new games.

[Anonymous No.10765037]

To use an /o/ analogy. Left was all you needed, right is just pointless excess and waste.

[Anonymous No.10765046]

>>10765037
It's people like you who keep ups from imrpoving standards
>u le just need le minimalisms
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.10765058]

>>10763645
You don't have to post an unhinged rant unrelated to the topic in every thread.

[Anonymous No.10765070]

>>10763708
When you get older you realise those parents were right, but we didn't listen

[Anonymous No.10765149]

>>10765070
>it's Pokemon and DOOM what is makes kids grow up to be delinquents
yeah it's totally not their household or how they were treated as kids

[Anonymous No.10765215]

>>10765020
You named three games between 2017 and 2021 and another you haven't even played and it's somewhat charitable to even say the others are all good.

>>10765046
Touchscreens are an indication of no standards and create actual suffering from meme minimalism rather than just normal simplicity.

[Anonymous No.10765216]

>>10765149
I mean, it's mostly just innate.
Some people are just bad. They have that tendency within them that makes them behave aggressively, and have poor impulse control, and that's where criminal behaviour comes from most of the time.
People hate admitting that, because it means we aren't all born on an even playing field, and we can't all be endlessly reprogrammed through the right kinds of nurture and education, but it's just the truth.

[Anonymous No.10765220]

>>10765215
Most people's conception of "classic games" is like five games they played when they were kids, and half of those are bad games like Dino Crisis.

[Anonymous No.10765223]

>>10765216
>Some people are just bad.
sounds like a cope to justify asshole behavior

[Anonymous No.10765227]

>>10765223
I'm not justifying it. If they break the law, they need to be charged.
It's just true. If someone's a shit, there's no amount of "good parenting" that's going to fix that. It's their biology telling them to go behave that way.

[Anonymous No.10765237]

>>10763612
Lazy midwits incapable of objectivity and empirical observations or have no concept of degree, taste and balance are easily fooled by superficially similar arguments.

[Anonymous No.10765239]

>>10765037
Yeah but the one on the right looks better. The left looks like shit

[Anonymous No.10765247]

>>10763612
today's "bad" games will eventually be old and therefore "good"

There was a time when it was somewhat rare for a new game to be 2D/abstract, but that has long passed. Most of the best 2D games were made after 2007

[Anonymous No.10765248]

>>10765220
You know that's fair but at the same time to shill Capcom for managing to not fuck up 3 games in already successful franchises over like an entire console generation when you can look at actual /vr/ Capcom and even in 6th gen they had DMC, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Monster Hunter, Ace Attorney, and Gundam Vs. as new franchises over like three years, plus good sequels.

[Anonymous No.10765257]

>>10765248
Overwhelmingly I'm pretty happy with where games are now. That's all I'm saying.
I don't see the point of continuing this negativity when every new game I play is actually really good, and there are too many good looking games coming out for me to play.
I remember the days when shit like RE5 and Bioshock was coming out, and every Wii game was making concessions for the controller, and maybe you got a Super Meat Boy tier indie game, if you were lucky. Gaming is not that bad anymore. I don't see the point of pretending it is, other than the negativity itself has become a cultural activity for people.

[Anonymous No.10765261]

>>10765227
You are talking about niggers.

[Anonymous No.10765270]

>>10765261
And poor people.
They're poor for a reason.

[Anonymous No.10765294]

>>10765270
yes because rich people are paragons of virtue

[Anonymous No.10765305]

>>10765257
I am not arguing there are no good new games I am arguing with "everything Capcom is doing" being evidence that new games are mostly good. 2017 is not "now" anymore either, actual 9th gen development has been something of a disaster.

[Anonymous No.10765308]

>>10765037
Big problem here is that cars are optimized for a a single well-defined purpose (with maybe a few variations). Videogames are entertainment and don't even really have a purpose much less a clearly defined one. So any kind of analysis needs a more explicitly defined criteria.

[Anonymous No.10765335]

>>10763612
>3do and cdi are shit! why are these games so shit?
he was right, this wasn't worth a thread btw

[Anonymous No.10765360]

>>10765305
Because Capcoms new games are of a very high quality.
What isn't? Maybe Monster Hunter? I dunno. It's not my thing. Fans seem to like it. Street Fighter 6? Fans seem to like it.
I don't really care to play all of the RE remakes, because I don't agree that those games needed remaking, but they still look pretty good.

There are no modern Capcom games that hit the "who gives a shit" depths of something like Dark Void, or Lost Planet, or the Bionic Commando reboot.

[Anonymous No.10765368]

>>10763612
>People
people with taste yeah

[Anonymous No.10765373]

>>10764713
This kind of thing is your best bet: http://ancientgraffiti.org/Graffiti/featured-graffiti

[Anonymous No.10765387]

>>10765037
I guarantee you that the right drives way better than the left.

[Anonymous No.10765454]

>>10763612
those new games hes talking about DID suck tho
theres not a soul alive that would unironically step up to bat for the CD-i

[Anonymous No.10765458]

GBA will NEVER be retro

[Anonymous No.10765461]

Lol @ the cynicism of the OP. 1992 didn't have gamergate and gamergate 2.0. No, games actually do suck right now.

[Anonymous No.10765494]

>>10765261
Maybe don't be racist on here. We all just want to relax and enjoy video games. Not be hateful towards others

[Anonymous No.10765496]

>>10765458
GBA will always be based though

[Anonymous No.10765508]

>>10765360
Exoprimal is very much that.

>Street Fighter 6? Fans seem to like it.
People liked the idea of it because it seemed like Capcom was putting more money and effort into it than V but after several months of getting fuck all but Ninja Turtle avatar costumes they realized that wasn't true and resources had just been reallocated into bullshit. The public opinion of that game is drastically lower than it was at release.

[Anonymous No.10765539]

>>10763612
>>10763662
FMV games suck
3DO sucks
CDi sucks
There are too many sequels
Games became too complex but less fun to pick up and play
Companies sacrifice tried and true gameplay standards to just clone the new thing that's becoming popular and slap modern graphics on it
Etc
They were right about everything and it was a common complaint especially as the 4th generation was being replaced with the 5th everyone talked about this. There were good new games but lots and lots of mediocre crap being hyped as the next big thing and a lot of good old stuff being forgotten and just not having new games in those genres like arcade stuff or quick score based gameplay.
I remember having this feeling as back as the Dreamcast and PS2 were competing and the Gamecube hadn't been released yet and I told my brother that I did not think SNES and Genesis and NES were ever going to be topped as the peak of gaming. I also remember one gaming magazine hyping 2004 as "the best year of video games" and it was just a bunch of sequels they knew people would enjoy more of the same.

[Anonymous No.10765549]

>>10765539
yea
all that shit could be said in any era of vidya and still be true

[Anonymous No.10765550]

>>10763780
>Everything Nintendo is doing
mediocre at best
>everything Capcom is doing
just as bad as western AAA
>the Yakuza series
went to shit after 2, died completely after 0
>like ten new Soulslikes a year
soulless clones that dont understand what made the original good
>a CRPG resurgence
99% of them feel like they were written by tumblrinas

[Anonymous No.10765552]

>>10765294
Compared to poor people, yes.
The thing about poor people is they're indiscriminately shitty, and it's because they're too dumb to not just destroy things in pointless displays of impotent aggression.
A rich person might commit some high level corporate fraud, but a poor person will break into their neighbours house, to steal a TV, and gain an insignificant amount of cash.
A lot of it is the thrill. They just like hurting people, and they don't give a shit. They like to take something that works, and destroy it, just because they can.

[Anonymous No.10765558]

>>10765550
>I play none of these games, but still want to act superior about my tastes

[Anonymous No.10765561]

>>10765552
I bet you let your boss fuck your wife in front of you

[Anonymous No.10765578]

>>10765496
GBA will always be trash because it's from after the big round number year

[Anonymous No.10765579]

>>10765215
>Touchscreens are an indication of no standards
That's true, but only because touchscreens are NOT an improvement

[Anonymous No.10765647]

>>10763612
Mankind has changed less over time than you think.
Reminder that "Golden Age" as a term was coined back in ancient Greece to refer to an era before them, and that the ruins of Pompeii are filled with wall texts that would be right at home here on 4chan.
Video games were ruined by fully digital graphics, movies were ruined by sound, the internet was ruined when those damned academics were given access to it. The very moment a change occurs is when someone who hates the new is born.

[Anonymous No.10765743]

>>10765647
>everything looks the same if we're sufficiently reductionist
Perfect example of what I was talking about here >>10765237

[Anonymous No.10765767]

>>10765552
You are dumb as fuck

[Anonymous No.10765912]

>>10765647
you gotta admit the massively optimized slop production of today is entirely new for humankind though

[Anonymous No.10765919]

>>10765647
>Video games were ruined by fully digital graphics, movies were ruined by sound, the internet was ruined when those damned academics were given access to it.
It's all true.

[Anonymous No.10765931]

>>10765579
Control schemes over time have always suffered from progression. In fact there was a fairly large backlash against the mouse when it first started becoming popular. Sounds crazy, huh? It's because the mouse, while easier to use in some ways, is SIGNIFICANTLY slower than using keyboard shortcuts, and it's not even close. So for people doing highly technical jobs at the time, the mouse was a huge downgrade, especially if the interface didn't have adequate shortcuts for commands. So the grognards were right and also wrong. Such is the nature of things.

[Anonymous No.10765960]

Certain game formats got better in the 16-bit era especially beat-em-ups but others like shmups got a lot worse.

[Anonymous No.10765978]

>>10763621
The 4th gene is where all the big strides happened.

[Anonymous No.10765982]

There are thousands if not millions of gamers and some will have the opinion that gaming is bad in any age. Imagine how stupid you would be if you took say a random twitter screen cap and declared it the opinion everyone shares ex ept you and your spiteful contrarian friends on 4chan. Fucking stupid right. Thet is what you are doing

[Anonymous No.10765986]

>>10765931
Yeah yeah, like I said touchscreens are not an improvement because they to fickle with contact, mouses are practically perfect because they are accurate
>but le boomers from then-
You can go one like this all you want like everyone is doing here, but there IS objectivity here

[Anonymous No.10766008]

>>10765767
Cope. Poor people are awful.
They're poor because they're dumb, and being dumb goes hand in hand with aggression, and behaviours that drag down everyone around them.

I've grown up in a position where I've been around poor people, and I've been around rich people, and the poor people are basically animals, while the worst thing about rich people is they can be self absorbed and uncaring.

[Anonymous No.10766016]

>>10766008
rich people are born into money these days, and they can be just as aggressive. you don’t hear about it because they get away with it

[Anonymous No.10766029]

>>10766016
Behavioural traits are inherited. A family of alcoholic brawlers and petty criminals aren't going to stay rich for very long.

[Anonymous No.10766041]

>>10765647
>"Golden Age" as a term was coined back in ancient Greece to refer to an era before them

Though it's worth pointing out that there /was/ a civilization greater than the ancient Greeks that existed before them: the Mycenae, who fell apart in the Bronze Age Collapse. It took centuries to recover, and most of the foundational Greek legends had their roots in the Greek Dark Ages right after the collapse. The ancient Greeks legitimately had cultural memories of a golden age when things were better than they were, similar to the British having vague memories of Rome during their dark ages.

Reminds me of when I saw an article quoting a Roman about how society had declined, no one was polite anymore, and all virtue had been lost. The article talked about how cultural decline is a myth - after all, even the Romans complained about it. A commenter pointed out that that Roman had been living either in the collapse of the Republic or the Empire (can't remember which) - things absolutely had gone downhill for him!

[Anonymous No.10766048]

The difference is they were wrong. There was still a lot of innovation. There is absolutely none now.

[Anonymous No.10766153]

>>10763612
>People were saying "new games suck" even back in 1994
They were right.

[Anonymous No.10766223]

>>10766048
n-no but you see this poster from 20 years ago said it was bad then

[Anonymous No.10766243]

>>10763780
>We actually passed through the worst era from 07 through to like 2016. Games are pretty good now.
Are you fucking HIGH?!

The worst era for gaming is literally 2013 - 2018.

[Anonymous No.10766250]

>>10765046
And it's people like you who cause designers to appeal to the lowest common denominator IQ on the market, dumbing down the experience for everyone, while raising the cost to a premium at the same time.

[Anonymous No.10766285]

>>10765960
Yeah and some popular genres like Fighting Games were essentially established during 16 bit generation.

[Anonymous No.10766295]

>>10763612
SMB 3 was the peak of 2d side scrollers, all downhill from there. World does not feel like a big step up and it has a ton of shitty gimmicks that make it a worse experience.

[Anonymous No.10766298]

>>10765960
There are no good 8-bit beat-em-ups. They tried with the NES and did their best, but the format needs speed, lots of animation frames, and at least a couple buttons to input moves and that wasn't possible pre-Mega Drive. Also it helps having large, detailed sprites instead of Lego Block men with 3 colors. As for shmups, there's nothing you can meaningfully do on a 16-bit console to improve them outside adding useless graphics effects. The format kind of died for a reason.

[Anonymous No.10766587]

>>10766295
most of the best 2D platformers are from 2007 and later and it's funny you'll probably never play them

[Anonymous No.10766596]

>>10766298
When Master System shmups were ported to SNES, they were effectively demakes because SNES is so lacking

[Anonymous No.10767150]

>>10766250
You're wrong

[Anonymous No.10767167]

>>10766250
designers appeal to them regardless. It isnt caused by consumer action. In order to target more people it is only natural to try to include people who dont or cant engage with current models or activities, or include things they require in your product

trying to blame "dumbing down" on anyone but the producer is stupid. The option always exists to say "this isnt for that, we make shit for a specific clientele, fuck off" but that wont happen in the field of consumer electronics for what should be quite obvious reasons

[Anonymous No.10767246]

>>10763708
Look at Mario 3 and Mario world side by side from the headspace of a tech illiterate mom in 1991. Of course you'd feel ripped off. But if anything that shows how absolutely goated Mario 3 was

[Anonymous No.10767272]

>>10766250
What's got you convinced that tardanon has anything influence on designers? He's ranting about UPS on a vidya board.

[Anonymous No.10768084]

I actually hate the whole "new game bad, old game good" meme. However I think there were more great games back in the day. I think because developers spend more time on things back in the day, I think people got more lazy now. In defense of modern games, I think games need to be more special nowadays in order to be considered good.

[Anonymous No.10768086]

>>10768084
It's the other way around. Games were so much faster to produce back then. Chasing photo-realism has really slowed game development down to a crawl.

[Anonymous No.10768091]

>>10768086
Most stuff from the cartridge era was made in a couple of months by a team of like 4-5 guys. Even into the PS1 era it was like this and staff and budgets only started ballooning in the 6th gen.

[Anonymous No.10768092]

Course, where it balances out, is it's so much easier to get stuff to market now. Self publishing is so much more sophisticated as a thing than it used to be. If you want to enjoy modern games, you have to be willing to engage with indie games, because that's what a lot of good modern games are.

[Anonymous No.10768117]

I would have been shitposting hard when quake 2 came out after quake 1. It is still my least favorite game in the series.

[Anonymous No.10768159]

>>10763612
Graphics sell games far more than game play. Which sucks if you are a gamer but makes a ton of money if you have to pay back all your sponsors. What is the last FPS to come out that wasn't badly interrupted by non FPS style boss fights, weak weapons (to cover up the lack of enemies on screen,) and cut scenes?

[Anonymous No.10768171]

>>10768086
>>10768091
yep. ID's release schedule from back then looks insane by today's standards. even indie studios now have larger teams that take longer than the 4th gen equivalent of AAA, and there have been many great 2D/stylized games since 2007

>>10768159
you're a couple decades late with that take, bub. Kids rarely talk about graphics anymore

[Anonymous No.10768183]

>>10768171
Graphics are the same they were 10 years ago. Graphicsfags have to resort to putting identical looking images next to each other while sperging on nonsense shader or AA terms.

[Anonymous No.10768184]

>>10763780
>like ten new Soulslikes a year, a CRPG resurgence
I have to concur with the guy who pointed out that Soulslikes tend to be soulless crap. Even Fromsoft games (except Sekiro) aren't as good as the original DeS and DkS.
CRPGs seem like a disappointment on the whole. Whatever audience current games like BG3 are supposed to appeal to, it's definitely not me. I don't think I've ever seen a dumber story concept than the whole tadpole shit, and that's just the tip of the iceberg for the blatant, in-your-face stupidity you have to put up with to play BG3. I might feel differently if I'd gotten into Pathfinder when Owlcat started shoveling out the Kingmaker games, but at this point I just don't have the inclination.
>Everything Nintendo is doing
What are they doing? I know Mario Odyssey looked pretty cool. Breath of the Wild looks kind of dull to me although people seem to love it The last Zelda game I liked was Link's Awakening, though).
> that they just flat out stopped playing games, and they wont believe you.
I do think good games are harder to find now, there's just so much more crap to wade through. Older games benefit from selection bias as well as being a product of a much smaller industry overall.

[Anonymous No.10768196]

>>10768184
The best new Nintendo games are Splatoon 3 and Pikmin 4. The princess Peach game is also looking surprisingly nice.

Zelda, Mario, Smash Bros, whatever. They're there. I find those to be normie pleasers. They're good, but they don't excite me that much.
As far as open world games go, Zelda is probably the best one by a mile. Way better than Rockstar, Bethesda, or Ubisoft stuff.
Mario Odyssey is a very good Mario game, that I didn't love just because it was kind of overly easy.

[Anonymous No.10768203]

>>10768184
>there's just so much more crap to wade through

This cannot be overstated. I check the Switch eshop releases once a week and the amount of indie game shovelware slop on there designed to extract cash from little kids and uninformed parents is insane. Likewise there seems to be an unreal amount of ripoff games or faux retreaux junk.I wonder how many of these games actually sell enough to cover development, licensing and ESRB costs.

[Anonymous No.10768206]

>>10763612
To be 100% fair he's mostly talking about CD-i and 3DO. And his talk is both legitimate and a cope for not being able to afford a 3DO.

If you like NES ang Gameboy games you're not really going to be into 3DO. And CD-i was always a joke for gaming.

[Anonymous No.10768213]

>>10768203
I imagine the Switch listings are just free money because they are quick ports of free to play mobile crap.

[Anonymous No.10768395]

>>10768203
I liked some retro styled games. Odallus and Oniken was fun. Eventually I want to play Super Cyborg and Blazing Chrome since I enjoy Contra.
>But just play Cont-
I've beaten many of them and want new enemies and levels. Shovel Knight was solid. Bella Boomerang was okay, the biggest flaw was that bosses went on long cycles before you can damage them. Ganryu 2 is probably the best one I played from retro sequels and throw backs, but it has some bugs. 80's Overdrive is an Outrun clone that is more easy going. Outrun is noticeably better. SturmFront is okay, it's just that your character moves at a glacial pace. Robotron 2084 has significantly better movement speed, and that's about the grand daddy of twin sticks. If you want to do something that isn't retro looking but is obviously an updated game there is Resogun for an amped up Defender, and some of Atari's recharged games like Yar's Revenge, or Tempest 4000. Then you have Toe Jam and Earl: Back in the Groove which is the old game but slightly faster with more things to do on the maps along with varying difficulty modes. The normal random setting is easier than the original Genesis game but higher difficulties are harder than later levels of the Genesis game from floor 1. Then there is the *old* Turrican clone, Gunlord.

With that said, yes you need to dig around and look at a lot of videos. A lot of the time it'll just be easier and more time efficient to just boot up an emulator with a ROM list and just plug in games you haven't played before that have eye grabbing titles compared to sifting through modern releases.

[Anonymous No.10768423]

>>10763725
>then got really good in the PS3/360 era
OK now you're baiting.

[Anonymous No.10768430]

>>10765037
As much as it is supposedly unintentional, view on the outside can qualify this picture for "soul - soulless" comparison. Thing on the right have a lot of QoL, but it also implies, that automatisation and other improvements, while comfortable to use for majority of people, allow less freedom and variability along with the entire world around it, including society, laws, disappearance of older variants right up to the official prohibition to use them etc. That's not to mention a way shitty environment in nature's way, amount of traffic, social etc.
Almost the same thing is with videogames, except older games are actively being remaked and memoryholed by the industry rather than Law. Yet.

[Anonymous No.10768432]

>>10765387
>I guarantee you that the right drives way sloullesser than the left.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.10768514]

>>10768203
It's literally a "skill issue". It's not that hard to find games that are worth playing.
What are you doing? Typing "gun game" into Steam, and hoping the first result is good?

If you hang around any gaming communities, people will basically just bring the games to you. It's hard not to hear about cool things.

[Anonymous No.10768653]

>>10768514
/v/ doesn't bring up shit unless it is a Fromsoft clone, Metriodvania, or something that they can whack their dick to. What are even the other good video game communities?

[Anonymous No.10768660]

>>10763612
the weirdest part about this is how he uses "Slalom" as an example of a great game

[Anonymous No.10768816]

>>10768660
Given his age in the letter, I would imagine it was probably one of the first games he ever played and has nostalgic affection for it (probably the core of all his complaints, also)

[Anonymous No.10768843]

>>10768653
I follow indie devs on Twitter, and I follow like 20 small twitch streams.

[Anonymous No.10768845]

>>10763612
That's like arguing that PSX was used in the 90s. You can make your point but people here ignore it for lulz at this point.

[Anonymous No.10769165]

>>10768843
That really isn't hanging out in a big gaming community, that is something you have to delve into yourself. It just doesn't surface out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.10769253]

>>10766008
I've been around both as well, and you're a dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.10769256]

>>10765247
I don't think anyone is ever going to be fond or nostalgic over shit like Starfield lmao

[Anonymous No.10769329]

>>10769253
cope. Poor people are rats.

[Anonymous No.10769339]

>>10769165
If you've been playing games and on the internet, for what I'm assuming is decades, you'll probably have found yourself in a few places, unless you're just bad at the internet.

[Anonymous No.10769346]

>>10769253
he's so on the nose with this I have to imagine he's some leftypol troon falseflagging as a comical 19th century land baron archetype to get people to want to join the revolution or whatever

[Anonymous No.10769353]

>>10768084
It's not devs being lazy. It's publishers forcing unreasonable deadlines.
Games could be made much faster and cheaper back then. Nowadays games end up with 400+ developers, costs hundreds of millions to make, and publishers expect them to finish everything in 2 years instead of the realistic 4, leading to games being patched after release (if you're lucky). And as long as games require half a billion to make, this is how it will stay. It's why I'm happy games like Palworld is completely clowning on the modern industry.

[Anonymous No.10769390]

>>10765552
>>10766008
it's 4chan man, you can just say blacks. here's an interesting funfact that you clearly don't know of.

[Anonymous No.10769418]

>>10763612
It's almost like things happen in boom and bust, bear and bull cycles or something.

[Anonymous No.10769716]

>>10767167
>"this isnt for that, we make shit for a specific clientele, fuck off"
>but that wont happen in the field of consumer electronics

Probably the dumbest thing that has ever been said, by anyone, anywhere.

https://bisimulations.com/products/vbs4

[Anonymous No.10769724]

>>10769256
they already are

[Anonymous No.10769750]

>>10767167
>trying to blame "dumbing down" on anyone but the producer is stupid.
Except for the blatant fact that developers routinely change things based on perceived feedback. Look at virtually any video game that has ever had a sequel, and then read what the developers said about it in interviews. "We looked at what the players were saying" - "We read a lot of forum posts" - "We listened to what the fans said they disliked" - "We realized that players didn't particularly like"

Unfortunately, the loudest people on the internet are often dumb and bad at video games. So a lot of the time, many of the changes dumb the game down and make it easier. Which is one reason I like Tomb Raider 3. It took the difficulty of Tomb Raider 2, and made it even harder.

[Anonymous No.10769797]

>>10769390
>trust me bro.jpg
Neither of those places have 100k people in them lolwut

[Anonymous No.10769820]

>>10769797
American education at work

[Anonymous No.10769889]

>>10769797
user is underage

[Anonymous No.10770452]

>>10769418
It's more like people carelessly generalize. Critics in OP correctly identified that the new games they were seeing were crap and worse than older games. (see: >>10763664)

>>10769750
There are many different things that go on here, and processing feedback is more challenging than people realize.

1. People tend to complain about superficial, surface-level shit that they consciously notice, not necessarily the deeper problem with the game that led to them noticing the surface-level symptom in the first place
2. A-players often cut corners chasing inspiration. When you have a great gameplay idea you often have to stay laser-focused on optimizing that core selling point, meaning other aspects may be sub-par. A-team devs balance shallow feedback with deep understanding of the relevant first principles.
3. B-teams come in with their generic "game design" theories and UX "best practices" and start "fixing" all the things that the A-team neglected while they were busy chasing glory. Often this process starts out well, with actual fixes on obvious shortcomings, but B-teams often have a toxic mix of laziness and arrogance and don't deeply understand the original inspiration. So they respond to surface-level feedback with surface-level fixes.
4. C-levels apply pressure to maximize revenues with "data-driven" designs that don't even pretend to care about the original inspiration.

That pattern can lead sort of a boom/bust cycle as this guy suggested (>>10769418), as new A-players appear or move to new projects. I think the issue is that due to massive development costs on one end and a massive flood of low-effort trash on the other end, it's hard for A-players to ever launch in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10770525]

>This person is suggesting that the games for the CD-i and 3DO weren't as good as those for the SNES and Genesis... AND THAT'S JUST INSANE
Great thread, anon.

[Anonymous No.10770646]

>>10769820
Obsessed