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Are the SMS Sonic games any good? They're so completely overshadowed, were they just inferior remakes of the real games?

>> No.1073143

They're about as good as the 8bit Mario games.

>> No.1073149

>>1073143
Mario 1/2 good, or mario 3 good?

>> No.1073151

>>1073149
1/2
I'll admit 3 is better than the 8 bit Sonic games I've played

>> No.1073156

The Game Gear Sonics were some of the first games I ever owned, when I was like 7. They're pretty decent, but they feel a lot different from the Genesis Sonics and they tend to be pretty short and easy (except for Sonic 2 which was hard as balls at times, especially if you're trying to get all the emeralds so you can play the final zone). Triple Trouble is probably my favorite and is super underrated in my opinion. I also remember loving Tails' Adventure even though it doesn't play like a normal Sonic game at all.

>> No.1073185

>>1073156
Sonic 2 GG was freakin' dark. It was the most hardcore Sonic game.

>no rings in any of the act 3 stages, so you actually had to beat bosses without getting hit
>Tails is fucking murdered if you don't get the good ending

>> No.1073202

Sonic 2 for the SMS is one of the hardest Sonic games made.

It's a shame that Sega only seem to want to sell the crappy GG ports.

>> No.1073207

Oh yeah, also Janet Jackson stole the Bridge Zone's music for her song "Together Again"

>> No.1073210

They aren't inferior ports. They're their own games.

>> No.1073213

>>1073210
No, they're ports. The Master System and the Game Gear Sonic games were the same, except that the GG versions had a smaller field of view and weaker graphics and sound. They also didn't handle rings very well.

Don't think we're talking about the Megadrive games,

>> No.1073217

>>1073213
it's a shame the master system versions didn't take advantage of the FM-Synth chip. It would've been cool to hear some of those tunes with better sound hardware. I think the stock master system sound is horrendous.

>> No.1073231

>>1073213
No I'm pretty sure the Game Gear and Master System versions had some level differences.

>> No.1073235

>>1073207

I hear the similarities, but did anything ever escalate, or is it just coincidence?

>> No.1073238

>>1073231
If there were, they weren't considerable.
There are playthroughs on Youtube.

>> No.1073242

>>1073238
They were considerable enough to make the GG version significantly harder. If you don't know what you're talking about why open your mouth at all?

>> No.1073246

>>1073235
Who knows, it's just something people have noticed. But considering Michael Jackson supposedly (maybe, could have) worked on the music for Sonic 3, it seems more than a coincidence.

>> No.1073245

>>1073140
Sonic Triple Trouble, now there's a game to check out.

>> No.1073247

>>1073245

That was never on the Master System. It was GG only.

>> No.1073248
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1073248

Sonic 1 and 2 are great, Sonic 2 SMS is one of my favourite Sonic games, in fact. Sonic Chaos was rather poor, though.

>> No.1073249

>>1073242
The only thing that made the GG version harder was that the GG version had a smaller field of view, meaning it was harder to see where you were going and made fighting bosses much more difficult. The level designs themselves were identical.

>> No.1073253

>>1073246

While that may seem more than coincidence, MJ didn't get involved with Sonic til 3, and MS Sonic 1 came out in '91.

>> No.1073254

>>1073207
>>1073235
Not sure but I know that Micheal Jackson had helped compose some of the music and the end credit track for Sonic the Hedgehog 3. He claims he removed his name from the credits because he didn't like how his tracks sounded but it was around the time he was facing trial for accusations of child molestation so...?

His song Strangers in Moscow stemmed from the end credits in Sonic 3.

>> No.1073257

>>1073249
No. You are wrong. Look up the first boss fight, the SMS is laughably easy in comparison. And that's just the first level. Please fuck off until you have actually played both.

>> No.1073263

>>1073254
It is just speculation, regarding strangers in Moscow but unlike the bridge zone's track, the end credit track on Sonic 3 isn't exactly a generic sound and taking into consideration he did write the track, it can't be coincidence.

>> No.1073267

>>1073257
I said the bosses were harder you dipshit.

But go on, if you want to prove the level design was different, find some level maps.

>> No.1073268

>>1073267
The bosses attacks are different fuckwad, it's not only the "field of vision".

>> No.1073269

>>1073267
To be fair, the Master System version of of Sonic Blast had a slower framerate.

>> No.1073271

>>1073268
Uh, no. In both versions you're on a slope with the thing in the pit and Robotnik drops balls on you. What the hell are you smoking?

>> No.1073278 [DELETED] 

>>1073271
And the bounces are way easier to dodge in the Master System version because they bounce higher. Go back to /v/ kid.

>> No.1073289

>>1073202
>Sonic 2 for the SMS is one of the hardest Sonic games made.
The final boss is really the only tricky part, I swear if you're talking about the first boss you need a slap. The first boss is supposedly hard on Game Gear because of the tiny screen size, the Master System version is easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Overall the game is much easier than the Advance and Rush games and most of the 3D ones. There are no cheap deaths caused by poor design, falling the the floor bugs or gotta go fast

>> No.1073294

>>1073278
They're also easier to dodge because you can see them coming a mile away. Also, the bounces vary in height.

Either way, only the most pathetic pedant would say that they are "completely" different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnIvMZ2OM5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWksbrzGH0w

Oh no! the ball heights are different! Clearly they are in fact two entirely different games that bare no resemblance to each other! What WAS I thinking?

>> No.1073295 [DELETED] 

>>1073294
That's right faggot, you were wrong. Now go back to /v/ kiddie.

>> No.1073307

>>1073289
Easier than the modern games? I don't think so. For a start, they save before every level.

No matter how much you die, you're only one level set back and they practically throw lives at you these days.

>> No.1073354

>>1073307
But it's easier to stay alive, seeing as the game doesn't randomly make you lose control of your character and throw him into a pit. I'd say a game that gives you less game overs, or none, is easier than a game that gives you more game overs with less penalty.

But that's just how I perceive difficulty, I do understand your point.

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>>1073478
Here's the GG screen.

>> No.1073478
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1073478

For those arguing that the GG and SMS games are identical. The Master System versions has smoother sprites and backgrounds and the opening title screen looks better on the SMS

>> No.1073714

Pretty lame compared to the Genesis games in my opinion. The physics engine is the merest shadow of the real thing, and the levels don't give the same feel at all. I really do think they could've done better even with the limited hardware -- just look at Gimmick on NES. They're still pretty decent little oldschool games though.

>> No.1073716

>>1073478
Don't forget about the real issue, which is the camera and screen size/resolution. Sonic 2 GG is a goddamn menace compared to the SMS version, all because of its comparatively limited field of vision.

>> No.1073741
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1073741

>>1073716

Thanks again Sega

>> No.1073746

>>1073143
>They're about as good as the 8bit Mario games.
What, they were the perfect platformers, some of the best in existence, like the original SMB? Seriously?

>> No.1073748

>>1073151
But the first SMB is better than SMB3. Are you sure you even played the games?

>> No.1073749

>>1073741
You can see whats below by pressing down on the d-pad you know...

>> No.1073792

>>1073749
B-but I gotta g-go FAST.

>> No.1073793

>>1073749
You have to stop to do it, and most people wouldn't think twice upon seeing a line of rings like that.

>> No.1073795

>>1073748
Don't derail.

>> No.1073801
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>>1073248
I loved how it started with Underground zone instead of some uninspired hill zone.

Green Hill ain't bad though. It felt special saving it for later so we could actually have an unusually hard GH zone.

>> No.1073802

>>1073795
Don't say stupid things then.

>> No.1073807

>>1073802
You're pretty much alone in thinking SMB3 isn't the best.

>> No.1073820

>>1073748
I've played them, and SMB3 is tons better. More content, more polish, more everything. And this is from someone who played SMB first.

>> No.1073825

sonic chaos is the best!

>> No.1073824

>>1073807
SMB2 is the best

>> No.1073826

>>1073820
Fans only ever debate if 3 or World is best. The others aren't even up for discussion beyond a few unpopular opinions.

>> No.1073829

>>1073824
I enjoy it, but it's really not. The pacing is all wrong, the items are bizarre. A nice change the likes of which we don't see enough, but bizarre.

>> No.1073834

>>1073714
They're definitely a noticeable step down from the Genesis games. But yeah they are still pretty decent. I enjoy that they're actually a lot harder. If you wanted a Sonic game that will likely kick your ass a few times, they're the way to go.

Sonic 2 was the most brutal among them. Beating that game really made you feel like you had earned it.

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>>1073834
Unless of course your stupid ass got Tails killed.

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>>1073247
Still worth bringing up on the subject of the SMS games though.

I feel it was easily the best of the 8-bit games.

>> No.1073854

>>1073826
This.
SMB3 is tighter but SMW has more puzzles.
SMB3 on the SMAS is worse in everything except the added palettes and more rendered layers like the moving backgrounds because the sound in SMB3 on SMAS is horrible and while it works on SMW it doesn't sit as good on the classic SMB3.

Also, Wii version of New SMB on Dolphin > SMBU on WiiU because it has less unbearable Bah Bah BAAAH.

SM64 has good music but I never really liked the game itself due to it's jerky and delay-feel controls.
Also because I didn't own my own N64 at the time so this is my biased opinion on Super Mario.

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1073885

>>1073838
>not having that little shit torn to pieces by your pack of bloodhounds

>> No.1073901

>>1073854
>music music music music
It's a video game, not an opera.

>> No.1074104

>>1073801
It would be nice to have the the perennial Green Hill rehash not be the first zone every time.

>> No.1074113
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1074113

>>1073253
Dunno, he was already involved with Sega in 1990 with the Moonwalker games (both megadrive and arcade version). There's the possibility of him being involved somehow in Sonic 2 too, but that's just speculation.

Heck, only proof would be this photo, and even that proves jack shit.

>> No.1074197

The Game Gear Sonics are very good and worth playing. I put Triple Trouble above Sonic 2, but below S3&K

The SMS versions are watered down and simplified, play GG Sonic 2 first, then SMS Sonic 2 and you will see the difference

>> No.1074219

>>1073253
MJ never got involved with Sonic 3 either. His composers were writing the music for the game, and then they asked Sega to not list them in the credits. MJ as a brand name didn't get affiliated with Sega until the Dreamcast era.

>> No.1074232

>>1073140
Sonic 2 for the Game Gear is one of the best sonic games around. It is hard as balls too.

The first boss is GnG level hard.

>> No.1074251

>>1074219
You mean they just removed MJ as the composer. Instead they listed the actual composers / band members...

>> No.1074279

>>1074251
so MJ never wrote any of his own stuff?
what a fag

>> No.1074285

>>1073207
Before you decide this is the ripoff...Remember the chorus music for the Full House theme.

>cannot be unheard

>> No.1074298

>>1074285
no

>> No.1074328

>>1074279
He's a performer, most of his music was written by Quincy Jones from what I remember.

>> No.1074340

>>1074328
QJ was his producer. Michael wrote a lot of his own stuff, including most of his hits.
HOWEVER, he didn't write "Thriller", which is why it's not found on most copies of Moonwalker for the Genesis.

>> No.1074371

>>1074328
>Quincy Jones
The Texan from Dracula?

>> No.1074379
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1074379

Sonic 1 for Master System is one of the best Sonic games ever made. For what it lacked in big graphics on the Mega Drive they made up for with gameplay and some great, memorable, music.

I'm making the world's first level editor for it. I was honestly surprised it didn't exist yet. It's a little too early for the moment to release it, but I will make a proper thread once it's ready for proper use.

>> No.1074397

>>1074379
>Windows 8

>> No.1074417

>>1074379
That looks great, man! I'll definitely keep an eye out for it when you finish.

>> No.1074429

>>1074371

This made me laugh harder then it should have. I started laughing even harder when I realized I was thinking of Quincy Morris from Castlevania Bloodlines.

>> No.1074440

>>1074429
You mean Jonathan Morris.

Quincey Morris is a character from Dracula, Jonathan Morris is apparently Quincey's descendent in Castlevania.

>> No.1074471

>>1074397
Nope! It's custom UI for Windows Vista/7/8. On Windows XP, you get traditional borders. You can have traditional borders on Vista/7/8 if you prefer.

I should add that this is a VB6 app! :)

>> No.1074479

>>1074471
>VB6
Why the fuck?

>> No.1074485

>>1074479
Becaaaaaause i'm doing the project for fun. Nobody is paying me. VB6 is fun and very quick to develop with. I've gone from knowing nothing about an SMS ROM to a working prototype editor in two months.

You can leave your prejudices at the door, this neither looks like nor feels like a VB6 app. :)

>> No.1074528

>>1074485
Okay sure, not judging you. Just can't understand it because someone would need to pay me a huge sum of money to have me even consider writing VB6 :)

>> No.1074549

>>1071971

Keep it to the general.

>> No.1074616

>>1074379

I'm hype, keep up the good work!

>> No.1074646

>>1074219
Then how do you explain Strangers in Moscow? It can't just be a coincidence that Strangers in Moscow sounds quite similar to the credit track for Sonic 3.

>> No.1074648

>>1074113
According to what his band members said about why he's not credited in Sonic 3, it's very unlikely that he'd worked on Sonic 2.

>> No.1074652

>>1074279
Some people can write music, some people can perform it. There's no reason to expect everyone to be a singer-songwriter.

>> No.1074672

>>1074646

look for Bridge Zone Janet Jackson

Prepare thine anus

>> No.1074746

NINTENDON'T ARE YOU EVEN TRYING ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6TEO2pomlI

>> No.1075075

>>1074279
MJ wrote a lot of his own stuff but he couldn't play any instruments well so he just made demos by singing the different parts a capella into a 4 track tape recorder (iirc). The rest of the arrangements got fleshed out by Quincy Jones and other collaborators.

>> No.1076168

>>1074646
The song was already written. It's not like Michael Jackson had to perform it for them.

>> No.1076193

The level design is trash in most of those games and the platforming physics are really bad too. Same goes for the GameGear titles. I have no idea why people have such high regards for these below acceptable platformers.

>> No.1076404

Funfact: Sonic 1 for SMS/GG music was made by Yuzo Koshiro

>> No.1076417

>>1076404
Is it the same guy that worked on Falcom at one point?

>> No.1076427

>>1076417

Yeah, the same Yuzo Koshiro who worked for Ys and Streets of Rage games. I believe he never really worked in Sega or Falcom, he has his own company called Ancient and he's hired by vidya companies for sound production. I'm sure Sonic 1 on SMS/GG was mostly handled by Ancient.

Kind of like how new Sonic handheld games are made by Dimps.

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>>1074397
>generic contentless windows 8 hate post

>> No.1078762

I don't remember which MS Sonic I played, but I'd rate it above MD Sonic 1. My neighbour had a GG and playing the Sonic games on it was horrible though.