/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10697362]

disappointed in this. it’s not an improvement over the original. why is this rated so highly?

[Anonymous No.10697368]

>>10697362
It's an improvement over the original in every way possible. Good luck in life my friend.

[Anonymous No.10697380]

>>10697362
It was hyped up by tendies because it was an exclusive and the GameCube desperately needed literally anything to prop it up. You always need to take hype surrounding exclusives on a failing console with a pinch of salt. The Dreamcast was even worse for it, with every half-assed arcade port being the game that'd turn everything around.

[Anonymous No.10697382]

>>10697380
Snoy cope

[Anonymous No.10697392]

>>10697362
returned this piece of shit the second i saw the lit candles in the mansion. took that money and made a charitable contribution in sony's name

[Anonymous No.10697520]

>>10697368
the pacing is all wrong, the additional story segments awful. the origin game was perfect. the update is pretty to look at but is not a better game. and making it a gorgeous, gothic mansion is somewhat senseless considering the storyline. the original mansion fit better with its concept. now i’m left wondering how it’s possible for the candles to be forever burning as anon pointed out. it no longer seems abandoned and left to be a zombie-run shining/psycho hotel, which creates an expectation that living people will show up or else how is it being maintained. it was actually creepier the old way, the remake is overdone

[Anonymous No.10697536]

It's not not bad I enjoyed playing it

[Anonymous No.10697557]

>>10697362
Could you at least put some effort into your bait?

[Anonymous No.10697573]

>>10697557
read this, t’s not bait
>>10697520
i’ve played the original many times, and replayed it after playing remake several times and it’s the better game. i’m sorry that you cannot conceive of anyone disagreeing with your opinion because you’ve been do heavily brainwashed to automatically prefer the remake. it’s a lesser game. still a 9/10 but a disappointment after everyone sells this so hard as the definitive version and one of the best resident evil games, if not the best. it isn’t. it’s not as good as 1 and 2 i’d say it might be equal to nemesis. i think code veronica is a stronger game overall than remake. i’d love for you to put some effort into why it’s do much better

[Anonymous No.10697576]

>>10697573
Are you the HL schizo?

[Anonymous No.10697589]

>>10697573
>i think code veronica is a stronger game overall than remake
The most retarded thing ever posted on this board and that is an accomplishment.

[Anonymous No.10697616]

>>10697589
you really think there is a consensus of opinion and you can rest on your opinion as infallible. plenty of fans i know consider code veronica to be the best classic tank control re game. you don’t even offer why you think it’s bad, or why you think remake is so good.

[Anonymous No.10697617]

>>10697616
>plenty of fans i know consider code veronica to be the best classic tank control re game
Those people are literally retarded. That is not a hyperbolic use of the word retarded by the way.

[Anonymous No.10697625]

The people who think that the original is better are just contrarian retards. REmake is textbook "developers original intentions had the hardware been ready".

[Anonymous No.10697631]

>>10697617
waiting to read why you think this, so far you only have ad hominem right off the bat and haven’t presented even a fee sentences of actual argument to make a case why the ones you think are better indeed are, and why you think code veronica is so egregiously awful

[Anonymous No.10697634]

>>10697392
>returned this piece of shit the second i saw the lit candles in the mansion.

It's a fucking video game you manchildren!

[Anonymous No.10697641]

>>10697631
>why you think code veronica is so egregiously awful
Everything about it sucks. The controls, the gameplay, the animations, the pacing, the retarded stretchy arm new enemy, the extremely retarded infinitely spawning poison moths in a hallway you're forced through multiple times that you will have to shoot off screen 99% of the time. That kind of abysmal design choice can only come from outsourcing, which it was.

[Anonymous No.10697642]

>>10697625
couldn’t care less about intentions. the execution of the remake messed up the original game, the outcome is an inferior experience albeit very pretty to look at

[Anonymous No.10697665]

>>10697625
>"developers original intentions had the hardware been ready"
Who the fuck cares about that? Developers often do their best work when constrained by hardware limitations, whether they realize that or not. Almost every attempt to remake an old game turns out worse than the original, no matter whether it's the original developers working on it or some shitty outsourced Pajeets. You don't get any credit for making something worse, whether it's your glorious, important "vision" of how it should have been or not.

The same goes for film directors going back and fucking up their own movies because they never understood why people liked them in the first place. I guess you're a fan of the Special Edition versions of Star Wars too, since they're that fat fuck Lucas' "original intention" had he had access to unlimited CGI garbage in the 70s.

[Anonymous No.10697680]

This is one of those titles where I find the praise genuinely confusing. It feels like I played a different game than everyone who sells it as "The Best Classic RE". My best guess is that those sorts of claims are made by franchise tourists who enter the series already tainted by the consensus narrative before doing a singular rushed and unobservant playthrough of each game to check it off the list of "important" titles to finish, or whatever. Personally, I dropped it about an hour in despite loving the source material.

[Anonymous No.10697695]

>>10697680
>franchise tourists
>I dropped it about an hour in

[Anonymous No.10697705]

>>10697641
those are valid reasons to dislike it strongly. and i don’t think you’re a retard or baiting for saying so. respect for answering. i’d be curious to know which oned you think are best, and why you like remake more. maybe you can persuade me to try it again. i’m open. understandable if you don’t feel like typing more, though

[Anonymous No.10697726]

This board might just have the single highest concentration of contrarians on 4chan and that's pretty impressive. Almost every single thread on this board is saying some classic critically acclaimed game is overrated.

[Anonymous No.10697731]

>>10697392
The outbreak happens in the mansion between July 22-24. Wesker was cleaning up during that time. Wesker leads you to the mansion on July 24.

Wesker lights the candles. The types of candles in the game can burn for 15 hours. Now shut the fuck up about it.

[Anonymous No.10697732]

>>10697695
in all fairness, remake is not different in such a drastic way that you won’t know what’s coming. thus if you’ve played the original, you get the jist after an hour and there’s no reason to suffer through it if it isn’t your bag.

[Anonymous No.10697746]

>>10697726
actually, code veronica was critically acclaimed as a classic and so was the original game. and anon is being called contrarian for liking og resident evil over the remake, and told he must be baiting and is a retard for thinking code veronica is one of the best. you’re blind to your own contrarianism here. also, true contrarianism of this board has been saying nemesis is the best of the original trilogy and now saying 2 is overratdd

[Anonymous No.10697753]

>>10697731
source? why does wesker care so much about lighting candles? why are going out of your way to justify an oversight in logical design? why us criticism not allowed?

[Anonymous No.10697765]

>>10697695
I don't see the contradiction. There's like 40 RE games. I've played about half of them. Some of them are bad. I'm willing to give them all a shot, but I'm not going to sit through the ones I don't like, including the ones fervently endorsed by the retard cabal. I dropped REmake, just like I did Dead Aim and Survivor, and I'd drop it again. Fuck, I liked Zero and the Chronicles games more than REmake. It's really not a good remake at all.

>>10697726
Most critics are not very good at their job. Especially so in the case of video game critics.

[Anonymous No.10697772]

>>10697753
The resident evil timeline. Wesker lights the candles because he needs to be able to see.

And criticism is fine, it's just the candle argument is so overblown and retarded.

[Anonymous No.10697784]

>>10697772
there’s nothing in the re timeline about weaker arriving at the spencer mansion in advance and lighting 15-hour candles, you’re making shit up to cover for careless design

[Anonymous No.10697790]

>>10697746
>actually, code veronica was critically acclaimed as a classic
By reviewers. Not the fanbase. It is contrarian to claim Code Veronica is better than REmake. REmake is probably the single highest praised game in the series from a design standpoint. It is indeed contrarian to hate it.

I love the original and hating on REmake is just stupid. But whatever mental gymnastics you have to do in your head to justify your need to disagree with literally fucking everything(including me), go for it.

[Anonymous No.10697795]

>>10697765
>Most critics are not very good at their job. Especially so in the case of video game critics.
The vast majority of people that praise REmake are gamers, not journalists. It's been beloved for decades and only on this ultra contarian board could you even find this many people hating on it.

[Anonymous No.10697798]

>>10697784
If your biggest problem with the RE storyline is that there's a lit candle in the mansion, you have big time autism and retardation. But that was already very apparent by your posts.

[Anonymous No.10697802]

>>10697795
>many
It's one guy.
The board is slow so posters samefag and spam the same threads.

[Anonymous No.10697804]

>>10697790
there’s no consensus in the fanbase. and i was alive when code veronica was released, people thought it was a better game because of how much longer it was and how much more of an emphasis was put on the villains having an actual story. the internet revisionism created the framing that online lists were consensus, and now you’re so frozen in the belief that there’s no disagreement of among fans to the extent that all you can do is indult someone or act like they’re insane or retarded for having a difference of opinion. spergery at its worst

[Anonymous No.10697813]

>>10697784
No, but he was there cleaning up, and since he needs to see, he'd light the candles. It's just a reasonable jump in logic.

Also jfc, there's a secret underground lab, maybe they're fucking electronic candles or some shit. Lighting that many candles probably gets tedious, so invent fake candles that can be turned on with a switch. How about that?

Maybe it's a mystery designed to make the player question their reality. Maybe they just didn't think about it. It's not difficult to think of possibilities that explain it, and if they had a note in the game that did explain it, you'd complain about that too.

>July 24 3PM
>I just spent an hour lighting every candle in the mansion
>Now that I can see, I can finally get to work with cleaning up this mess without needing to hold a flashlight the whole time
>When S.T.A.R.S get here, they'll think that someone might live here, so there's that too
>Maybe now I've written this entry in my diary, people won't complain about retarded shit like candles 20 years later
>
>~Wesker

It's the least important thing in the world to get hung up on.

If it wasn't possible to think of easy explanations, I'd maybe see your point, but there are so many plausible explanations that it's ridiculous, and expecting them to explain something as mundane as that is even more ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10697814]

>>10697802
>only one person doesn’t love the remake
mental illness

[Anonymous No.10697819]

>>10697804
>there’s no consensus in the fanbase
There is. Just because you're out of touch with the broad RE fanbase doesn't mean everyone is. You can't fall back on this dildo argument of "everyone is different and unique". We have a broad sense for how well appreciated each title in the series is among its consumers and REmake is broadly considered very high quality almost unanimously.

>spergery at its worst
The only sperg here is you overreacting to fucking everything and trying to claim broad trends don't exist within populations because you don't like their opinions. You then bloviate about your own personal anecdotes like they matter. You're a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10697820]

>>10697814
Yes you are mentally ill.
Your hl thread was deleted btw

[Anonymous No.10697825]

>>10697813
cool, thank you. now it makes sense. it’s really not abnormal to quip about it, that’s what hardcore fans do. doesn’t mean it’s a bad game. you shouldn’t take it personally

[Anonymous No.10697832]

>>10697726
Last night someone said Dino Crisis 3 is better than RE4. This board is the contrarian Olympics and that one gets a gold medal.

[Anonymous No.10697834]

>>10697772
It's not about the logic of the candles. It's about a massive aesthetic overhaul which totally changes the tone of the game, the conversation around which has, for some reason, become weirdly centralized around the candles. No other Resident Evil feels like the remake. It's like it was made for Fatal Frame fans.

>>10697790
>>10697795
When the fuck did a website who's most popular board is devoted entirely to saying nigger, and who's second most popular board frequently has threads devoted to gore and cartoon child pornography, become so toothless and castrated that "contrarian" became a term people use in earnest?

[Anonymous No.10697838]

>>10697819
>There is. Just because you're out of touch with the broad RE fanbase doesn't mean everyone is. You can't fall back on this dildo argument of "everyone is different and unique". We have a broad sense for how well appreciated each title in the series is among its consumers and REmake is broadly considered very high quality almost unanimously.
there is no we. you don’t speak for everyone. you’re suffering from grandiose delusion

[Anonymous No.10697840]

>>10697362
Not only is it an improvement, it doesn't have to be an improvement. Take it as its own thing.

[Anonymous No.10697842]

>>10697825
Olay fair enough, apologies for being hyperbolic. This is 4chan, I'm sure you know how it is.

And I don't take it personally, I just have always hated how common of a complaint that is. It's just a stupid thing that people spread around without even really thinking about it.

Took me two seconds to come up with those explanations and they're reasonable. I don't see why that particular complaint has stuck around so long.

[Anonymous No.10697846]

>>10697834
This board is for people over 30 and you type like a 14 year old. You should be embarrassed about your autism, not insisting everyone else remain as emotionally stunted and mentally underdeveloped as you.

[Anonymous No.10697849]

>>10697834
No you're the only person I've ever seen criticise the atmosphere the candles provide instead of the logic of them being lit. Everyone always says it's dumb that the candles are lit, but I've never once seen people complain about the way it looks apart from you since that's the best thing about the candles.

[Anonymous No.10697856]

>>10697838
Must be an interesting existence being as dimwitted as you. I don't need to speak for each and every single individual person, smoothbrain. I just need to recognize broad trends and statistics.

>The opinions of thousands of consumers don't count, but my opinion does
You are an actual simpleton and I shan't be giving your shit contrarian thread any more (You)'s.

[Anonymous No.10697859]

>>10697849
>i’ve never seen it and i’ve seen every opinion from every person on earth for all time
meds time, zoomer sperg

[Anonymous No.10697862]

>>10697731
The outbreak happened in early May and the last surviving scientist died sometime in late June.

[Anonymous No.10697864]

>>10697859
I've seen this conversation enough times to know that people don't like the candles because they can't imagine why they might be lit.

Also you don't like a game because it has candles and you're calling ME the sperg?

[Anonymous No.10697868]

>>10697862
Wesker was still at the mansion between July 22-24 cleaning up. Which is the crux of what I said.

[Anonymous No.10697875]

>>10697380
Both those systems had you desperate for anything remotely good. Made you lower your standards

[Anonymous No.10697878]

>>10697362
It feels like someone at Capcom got butthurt and insecure over Silent Hill being hailed as the scariest game ever and decided they'd try to turn RE1 into le gritty dark and serious horror game while completely missing the point of why it was so beloved. People will be quoting and referencing the silly shit from the original as long as video games exist. Meanwhile, there isn't a single memorable line or scene from the remake.

[Anonymous No.10697884]

>>10697864
there’s more than one person talking about candles itt, dude. all i said was it’s okay to criticize a game and nitpick, and anon had the wesker journal entry that perfectly explains it. i didn’t call you a sperg. you do seem a little outrageous in your claims attempting to sum up the entirety of a fanbases’s views, there is actually constant argument when i’m ar conventions and it’s not uncommon that people say remake is overrated or they hate the controls and can’t get into it

[Anonymous No.10697889]

>>10697878
Everyone loves the funny bad voice acting of the original but Wesker's voice actor is the only one so impressively bad it just ruins the character. He's perfect in the REmake though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEVTWcQh1f0

[Anonymous No.10697890]

>>10697846
I'm not insisting anyone do anything. You're just kind of tone deaf, that's all. The idea of being afraid of going against the grain, on an antonymous image board of all places, lest you be called a "contrarian" would be a lot more embarrassing by my measure.

>>10697849
I don't care what other people say. If some sped is upset about who lit what candles when, good for him. What bothers me is the change in tone. RE was pretty great when viewed through the lens of "zombie thriller b-movie". It did not make for a good horror game, and trying to reskin it to be one was a fools errand.

[Anonymous No.10697892]

>>10697520
I love OG RE1 but come on, perfect? You're crazy.

[Anonymous No.10697921]

>>10697813
Why would he need candles to see at 3PM?

[Anonymous No.10697924]

>>10697392
https://youtu.be/JQH2rmQ5-vk?si=TCC4M954qpSFZJrZ

[Anonymous No.10697931]

>>10697921
The glasses probably make things a bit darker.

[Anonymous No.10697940]

Unlike the RE2 and RE3 remakes, this is an improvement on every single aspect of the game, objectively. It didnt change dick to try to appeal to a wider audience, and actually kept it a Resident Evil game.

[Anonymous No.10697945]

>>10697931
I stand corrected.

[Anonymous No.10697947]

>>10697726
Its because everyone is a fucking child now. All the oldfags are in their 30s and early 40s now and all these fucking retards grew up on xbox 360 Gears of Halo Theft Auto Creed 4 and all the goyslop that came after. They genuinely dont know dick about dick.

[Anonymous No.10697956]

I just want to know why, of all the areas in the game, someone decided what it really needed was more motherfucking caves, with another braindead box pushing puzzle to boot. Really, all of the new areas feel tacked on and it would lose absolutely nothing by cutting them out and sticking to the original map.

[Anonymous No.10697959]

>>10697947
/vr/ used to be the comfiest board on the site but then 6th gen became retro

[Anonymous No.10697963]

>>10697884
I know you're a different person, I'm the guy who wrote the joke Wesker entry, I wasn't responding to you with that reply. I was responding to the guy who doesn't like the tone of the candles.

>>10697890
First you say that it's the main argument "its not about the logic of the candles", then you say it's a common argument "i’ve never seen it and i’ve seen every opinion from every person on earth for all time", now you say it's just your argument "I don't care what other people say." Pick one.

You might not like that they tried to do the original premise well instead of it being a B-game like the original. And that's fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion on that and its purely subjective. Although I'd argue that it's impossible to make something "so bad it's good" on purpose. I like that they tried to make it actually scary and atmospheric with REmake, its one of the reasons that both versions are worth playing. It doesn’t replace the original, but it does actually achieve what the original was trying to do. And I'd argue that if they're not trying to achieve what the original failed to achieve, what would be the point of a remake in the first place?

[Anonymous No.10697979]

>>10697890
>The idea of being afraid of going against the grain, on an antonymous image board of all places, lest you be called a "contrarian" would be a lot more embarrassing by my measure.
Nobody is afraid of being a contrarian on the internet you dumb faggot. It doesn't take bravery to disagree with everyone about everything and claim to not like what 95% of people say is good. It's just tiresome and predictable and it's obvious coming to this board that it attracts a certain kind of contrarian, oppositional personality type which is why we're all sick of it.

> RE was pretty great when viewed through the lens of "zombie thriller b-movie".
That was never their intent and you're a retard if you can't tell they were trying to make a serious horror game. The voice acting being goofy is literally the only thing in the entire game that makes it a b-movie and it's clearly unintentional and the Japanese couldn't tell how bad it sounded. To Japanese RE fans, it has always been straight horror because the English voices sound good to them.

[Anonymous No.10697993]

>>10697979
>That was never their intent
Intent doesn't matter, perception does

[Anonymous No.10697995]

>>10697963
I didn't make the middle post you're referencing.

Beyond that, I largely agree. My personal issue with REmake is the common narrative that it is an "upgrade" or, god forbid, a 'replacement". I really don't have an issue with people who simply prefers it. Personally, the stylistic change fell flat for me.

>>10697979
I never said I was brave. Calm down. Also, I'll be sure to talk to my therapist about a potential ODD diagnosis because I think a remake of a video game from 1996 isn't that good.

There's a lot more that's goofy about RE than the voice acting. The entire script and most of the scenario reads like pastiche. Whether that reading was their intent or not, I don't care - that's the one that gives me the most enjoyment. If I accepted your reading, I probably wouldn't like RE nearly as much as I do, and that would be a bummer for everyone.

[Anonymous No.10697996]

>>10697993
Intent does matter in this instance because what you're complaining about is them "changing the tone", when from their own PERCEPTION if you want to word it that way, they didn't change anything at all. They honestly probably can't even tell the difference between the REmake and RE1 voice acting quality because they don't speak English. The only way they know it's different is from English speakers telling them it sounds better, which is what they were always aiming for.

The faulty perception here is yours, not theirs or anyone else's.

[Anonymous No.10697998]

don't you guys get tired of arguing over the same stuff day in and day out? 71 replies now lol

[Anonymous No.10698013]

>>10697995
>I never said I was brave.
You said that criticizing people for being contrarian must mean they're afraid to go against the grain. Nobody is afraid of going against the grain on the internet. There's no possible consequences for doing so other than words. That's why 4chan, and specifically /vr/, is full of hostile nerds saying shit that would get them slapped in person. That includes me.

>Also, I'll be sure to talk to my therapist about a potential ODD diagnosis because I think a remake of a video game from 1996 isn't that good.
I think if you showed them your posting history, they'd certainly have a lot of interesting things to say about you. ODD is probably the least of your concerns.

>There's a lot more that's goofy about RE than the voice acting.
Such as? Name things in it that are legitimately and intentionally goofy. That the Japanese developers clearly intended to be taken as a joke. Yes, the writing is dumb, but it's not intentionally dumb.

You can bury your head in the sand, but Resident Evil was always intended to be a serious horror game. In fact, it scared the fuck out of people in 1995.

[Anonymous No.10698018]

There's no way anyone made that opening cast roll with the intent of it being taken as a super serious horror game unless they were a completely tone deaf retard. Which is always a distinct possibility when dealing with Japanese developers.

[Anonymous No.10698031]

>>10697998
Nah, the claims in this thread are some new shit. Before /vr/ was made, and in /vr/s first 2 years, REmake was considered the pinnacle of remakes that all future remakes need to emulate. And Twin Snakes was always an example of how NOT to do a remake.

[Anonymous No.10698036]

>>10698018
>badass roll call of every person in the game showing off their guns
My family played RE1 with me when we rented it in 1996 and they were legitimately hyped seeing that FMV. They weren't laughing at it. It was cool in 1996. I know everyone nowadays finds everything cringe and ironic, but there's nothing intentionally goofy about that FMV. It is absolutely meant to be taken seriously and show them off as badasses.

[Anonymous No.10698038]

>>10697996
> from their own PERCEPTION
Their perception doesn't matter, the audience's does. The changes they made changed the way the audience perceived the series.

[Anonymous No.10698049]

>>10698038
>perception is all that matters
>nono, not THAT perception, my perception!
You aren't the entire audience. You aren't even a significant voice of the consumerbase. Not everyone is as retarded as you. In fact very few people are that think REmake "radically changed the tone of the original". They just think it cleaned up the bad voice acting.

[Anonymous No.10698070]

>>10698013
>You said that criticizing people for being contrarian must mean they're afraid to go against the grain.

No, what I actually said was "The idea of being afraid of going against the grain, on an antonymous image board of all places, lest you be called a "contrarian" would be a lot more embarrassing by my measure" In reference to you saying I should be embarrassed about my autism.

>I think if you showed them your posting history, they'd certainly have a lot of interesting things to say about you. ODD is probably the least of your concerns.
Cute.

>Such as? Name things in it that are legitimately and intentionally goofy.
I won't do that, because I'm not into trying to discern what the true and honest intent of a team of 100 people was. Everyone involved likely had their own idea of what the game should look like, and the end result is a compromise between those competing visions, weighted by hierarchical status within the project. If what you want is definitive proof that the way I read the script is the correct one: you win. I have no interest in playing that game, because I couldn't give less of a fuck about artist intent.

Things that make me smile are: the voice acting, the opening cutscene, the "Jill sandwich" sequence (not just the line, using the trope of the falling ceiling was in of itself kind of funny), the rope sequence, the bargain bin Halloween store enemy design (giant spiders, angry plants, the fucking birds, etc), the sequence with Richard (the script itself is hilarious, not just the voice acting), every other line written for Wesker, the list goes on.

>>10698049
You're so feral that you're replying to people who aren't even me as if they were.

[Anonymous No.10698092]

>>10698070
Also, don't they do that thing where a guy is about to give you an important piece of information, but then he's shot and killed mid-sentence? In the cave section I'm pretty sure. That was funny, if I'm remembering correctly.

>>10698036
Also, also, the fact that you and your family thought the opening FMV was "hype" and not "adorable" is proof that you and your kin are the product of multi-generational incest and your mental faculties are likely compromised as a result.

[Anonymous No.10698109]

>>10698049
>You aren't the entire audience.
Yes I am
> They just think it cleaned up the bad voice acting.
Which has an effect on how it's perceived

[Anonymous No.10698149]

>>10698070
>the sequence with Richard (the script itself is hilarious, not just the voice acting)
I was actually curious enough to look up the Japanese script for that scene once. He calls the snake a demon in English and something like a spectre/ghost/shapeshifter in Japanese. I really think they intended for some kind of misdirection early on where the player would assume there was some weird supernatural stuff going on and the reveal that it was all due to scientific experiments would be a big twist. But then they titled it BIO HAZARD and flat out told you it was an accident at a biolab on the box, in the manual, and in every piece of advertising.

[Anonymous No.10698157]

there are some genuiney mentally ill people itt who cannot handle that their precious, muh objectively best classic re ever isn’t adored by 100% of people who play these games. i’ll chime in and add my two cents which is that the added stuff sucks, the original flowed just right and the remake is tedious and lacks the charm of good-bad, unintentionally hilarious dialogue and acting that was beloved in the original. what remake does is generic scary game, very safe cleanup of that and it feels like it could be any horror game, it loses the heart and soul. i don’t like the tedious bullshit of crimson heads, i hate the lisa trevor add-on. it makes the game grotesque and like silent hill instead of classic re. this horseshit people keep repeating in this thread that everyone universally agrees remake is god-tier perfection and the standard of how to do a remake is pure fantasy. i know tons of re fans who find the game tedious, because the balance of difficulty is off and it is longer for the wrong reasons by adding useless extra bits which make the game drag in places where it should move. it’s an excellent game in its own right, but it’s not a masterpiece and it certainly is not praised by every fan. if that triggers you into a frenzy, maybe you should get out more and expand your awareness of re fans. we’re not a monolith in our opinion of games in the series. never have been, never will be. thst should be okay and you shouldn’t lose your shit and attack people who disagree.

[Anonymous No.10698187]

>>10697362
I should finish RE1 sometime

[Anonymous No.10698209]

>>10698149
That's a really neat interpretation that I haven't seen before. It also turns the setting into a bit of a smokescreen. When we think of "mansion" and "horror", "haunted mansion" is a much more obvious read than "mansion covering hidden bio-weapons facility".

[Anonymous No.10698225]

>>10698149
>He calls the snake a demon in English and something like a spectre/ghost/shapeshifter in Japanese.
No, he doesn't. Your Japanese sucks. Also, there is no original Japanese script. The game has an English script and uses Japanese subtitles. The rest of your post is nonsense based off of your lie.

[Anonymous No.10698227]

>>10698225
>The game has an English script and uses Japanese subtitles
The subtitles are the script and the spoken dialog is a really bad translation of it.

[Anonymous No.10698238]

>>10698227
>Subtitles are a script
So not only a lair but also a big fucking retard. Subtitles are not and have never been scripts.

[Anonymous No.10698239]

inagine sinking to the level of lying and saying there is an explanation of the candles, that wesker lit them and it’s in the timeline, and then writing a fake diary, just to defend a criticism of the game’s lack of explanation of how candles can be lit. this is the biggest cope i’ve ever seen. remake is ass btw. they bungled it by trying too hard to modernize it. it’s not even as good as zero

[Anonymous No.10698240]

>inb4 this low IQ pinhead goes for the low hanging fruit in my post

[Anonymous No.10698241]

>>10698225
What does he call it in Japanese then? A Demon like in English? I'm actually kind of curious now.

[Anonymous No.10698242]

>>10698238
Are you being obtuse on purpose, or is this just how you naturally are?

[Anonymous No.10698248]

>>10698241
He says almost word for word in the subtitles what he does in English. "Tondemonai bakemon ga iru ze(There are incredible/unusual monsters here" versus "There are terrible demons" in English.

[Anonymous No.10698249]

>>10698242
I'm being correct. Resident Evil has an English script with Japanese subtitles. You can choose to be wrong and a dipshit if you want, I can't stop you from doing that, but implying I'm at fault here is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.10698260]

>clutching your pearls over lit candles while handwaving the pointless deathtraps installed in the mansion
who installs and services these things anyway?
>hi im here to lubricate the track of the spinning death spike knight

[Anonymous No.10698265]

>>10698260
and don’t get me started on typewriters in caves!

[Anonymous No.10698267]

>>10697617
>Those people are literally retarded.
Both games are good. Why are you so hostile?

Btw Earthworm Jim is a better sci fi platformer than Super Metroid.

[Anonymous No.10698268]

>>10698260
>he doesn't have an engineer come by to make sure his statues are facing the wrong way and the trigger mechanism is working properly to make the center statue drop the gem
ngmi

[Anonymous No.10698270]

>>10697520
I'm with you, the original game was perfect. It's the best in the entire series.

[Anonymous No.10698271]

>>10698260
And who's feeding that giant snake? That thing needs several tons of food daily to survive, it's not scavenging all that on its own

[Anonymous No.10698281]

>>10698271
Do zombie snakes need to eat? I mean, the humans don't. Or at least I don't think they do. Do they actually need brains for sustenance or do they just bite things as a reflex?

[Anonymous No.10698282]

honey, i’ve gotta run over to the cabin to play pool. do you know if we left any acid grenade launcher rounds there, or did we leave them in the save room? huh, s.t.a.r.s. are coming? quick, light all the 15-hour candles and let’s get out of town!

[Anonymous No.10698291]

>>10698248
IDK I could buy both of those as being intentional misdirection. Looks like the Japanese term is really fuzzy and can refer to all kinds of odd supernatural shit too. It's not like he says he was bitten by a giant snake and oh btw here's the lab report that tells how they grew it.

[Anonymous No.10698294]

>>10698282
You now remember some dude who was almost entirely zombified sat down at his desk to physically write down "itchy, tasty" in his journal.

[Anonymous No.10698302]

>>10698294
made me laugh out loud in 1996, thought it was the best moment in the game when he opened the closet after reading it and left me some shotgun shells

[Anonymous No.10698303]

>>10698281
Yeah it ate scientists and they named it Yawn because it looks like it's yawning when it attacks or something like that. How anyone was dumb enough to get caught by a fatass 30 foot long snake is anyone's guess, but it's not like Umbrella was hiring the best and brightest. These are the same guys who fed a houseplant the T Virus after watching it turn everyone else into monsters and then got caught and eaten by the giant immobile plant, after all.

[Anonymous No.10698306]

>>10698249
>Resident Evil has an English script with Japanese subtitles
The English script has all the hallmarks of bad Japanese to English translations. Right down to "it can't be helped". It's pretty obvious the Japanese subtitles are from the scrapped Japanese dub which was the original script.

[Anonymous No.10698314]

>>10698291
>It's not like he says he was bitten by a giant snake
He does, in fact, say in his very next line that he was bitten by a snake.

Jill : Sono kizu wa!(That wound is...!) Ittai donna bakemon ni...(What kind of monster could...)
Richard : Tottemonai hebi da.(It was an unusual snake.)

You're just going to have to let this narrative you made up in your head go. He wasn't foreshadowing anything except that he got bitten by a big ass zombie snake.

[Anonymous No.10698318]

>>10698303
>wud if we put t-virus on a spider huhuhuh
>wud if we put t-virus on a snake huhuhuh
>wud if we put t-virus on bugs huhuhuh
>wud if we watered a plant with t-virus huhuhuh
>ow
>OW
>huhuhuh
This is how I picture Umbrella's research team

[Anonymous No.10698321]

im glad i just play games and enjoy them instead of creating fanfiction to rationalize the obvious absurdities that exist because its a video game

[Anonymous No.10698325]

>>10698306
We call those "drafts," anon. The Japanese developers made a Japanese draft and converted it into and English script. They then added subtitles for the English script. I know this seems like semantics, but it does matter because the English voices are actual canon and the subtitles are just approximations for what is occurring on screen. It seems counterintuitive since their native language isn't English, but as with any work, subtitles are not canon.

[Anonymous No.10698326]

>>10698314
I'm not the same person who started this you retard. You're extremely butthurt over it for some reason though. I was just curious about how the conversation went in the subtitles.

[Anonymous No.10698332]

>>10698326
>I'm a different retard trying to sell the same narrative
I genuinely could not care less. I'm not butthurt, I'm just correct and neither of you *wink wink* know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.10698339]

>>10698318
>Oh shit, the powerpoint for HQ is due at 8am and we don't have a new monster to show off
>Fuck it, just crop a picture of the little shark in the aquarium. No one will ever know the difference.

[Anonymous No.10698340]

>>10698291
>Looks like the Japanese term is really fuzzy and can refer to all kinds of odd supernatural shit too.
Yes, like zombies. Which is exactly what it was referring to. A giant snake zombie. Not some kind of ghost. The Japanese have specific terms for ghosts and other apparitions that are more akin to spirits and monster has more of a connotation of a physical body.

[Anonymous No.10698360]

>>10698340
>The Japanese have specific terms for ghosts and other apparitions that are more akin to spirits and monster has more of a connotation of a physical body.
no different than the english language, homie

[Anonymous No.10698368]

>>10698306
I think it's funny the woman who voiced Rebecca also directed the rest of the voice cast. And then someone who probably didn't even speak English chopped up the recordings and put it in the game in roughly appropriate places. What a clusterfuck but it all worked out.

[Anonymous No.10698381]

this was a meme in video game magazines before i had a pc with an internet connection. everyone i knew quoted this game, mostly making fun of barry

[Anonymous No.10698390]

>>10698381
*yes i know this isn’t an actual quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQd7wgfcvo

[Anonymous No.10698432]

>>10697726
yea because the majority is always right and democracy is a perfect system too.

[Anonymous No.10698434]

I'm glad they kept this scene in the remake. The big, bad supervillain Wesker just casually plinking giant bees with a pistol never fails to crack me up.

[Anonymous No.10698470]

>>10697840
>yea,this remake totally should be inferior to the original.

[Anonymous No.10698578]

>>10697784
What an insipid and minute detail to get so fucking hung up over.

[Anonymous No.10698590]

>>10697814
There is indeed one single guy with an absolute hateboner for REmake who complains frequently about the lit candles and DISNEY HAUNTED MANSION.

There's multiple anons who do not care for REmake for multiple reasons, but there's very much recognizable autists.

[Anonymous No.10698639]

>>10698018
That rollcall was cool by 1996 standards. It's still kinda cool, even if the production value feels very low compared to popular games from later decades.

The voice acting is not great, but the Japanese have a poor ear for English, and they have this concept of "Decorative English," where just the use of English phrases and words is seen as 'cool' in a stylistic sense, without necessarily having to have a particularly clear or poignant meaning. This is less popular these days, but it's still around in places.
This is more often used for music, taglines, and that Kabuki theater style of calling out the name of your attacks, places where this is less jarring, but Resident Evil had its spoken dialogue written with a Decorative English kind of mindset. It was insisted on as appropriate and correct when some of the voice actors pointed out that the dialogue sounded very awkward and stilted, it sounded cool and serious to the Japanese and that was all that mattered. The Japs were gonna have it written out in their language anyway.

The original Resident Evil has a good b-movie kind of charm, in large part thanks to the voice acting and some of the visuals in the FMV sequences, but Resident Evil was never not a sincere effort at horror, there was no irony on any of the devs part, they did the most with what they could, which ultimately comes off as a bit cheap, even if it was overall good.
I'll also fully agree that Resident Evil was genuinely considered scary at the time, even in the western world. The voice acting was always recognized as goofy even to ESLs with a decent grasp of English, but beyond that people had no problems with immersing themselves in it as a horror adventure, it still works well that way, and you can find countless anecdotes from people who played it at the time which supports this.

REmake having a more conventional and higher production value is in no way incongruent with the original game or the original developer intentions.

[Anonymous No.10698651]

>>10698639
>REmake having a more conventional and higher production value is in no way incongruent with the original game or the original developer intentions.
the accident of resident evil having unintentionally lame aesthetics is part of its enduring success. it’s lightning in a bottle. fixing it for the remake to match a scarier or more serious tone feels like a downgrade for some of us, and makes the game seem like a pointless cash grab recycling something that didn’t need to be touched. it’d be like remaking super mario 64 and redoing the voice acting and music. sacreligious and unnecessary

[Anonymous No.10698657]

>>10698470
At least when it comes to movies, remakes don't try to be better than the original, just take a different direction.

[Anonymous No.10698674]

>>10698651
>the accident of resident evil having unintentionally lame aesthetics is part of its enduring success.
I do think that's true. Again though, I think that understanding the sincerity of the original is important.

>it’s lightning in a bottle. fixing it for the remake to match a scarier or more serious tone feels like a downgrade for some of us
Is it so much fixing as it's just doing it all again in a new way? All the core concepts are the same, but the games are different enough on various points, the fact that they intentionally changed some things in REmake with the intent of surprising veteran fans of the original is telling that playing them were expected. (This works backwards too, if you played REmake first and then went to the original, you'd get a few surprises).

I like both the original and REmake for what they both do. I'm pretty sure Capcom still sells the original PSX games (or versions of them) on PSN and stuff, which they probably wouldn't do if they were ashamed of them and wanted to bury them in favor for their remakes.

[Anonymous No.10698680]

Code Veronica is shit

[Anonymous No.10698703]

>>10698657
That really varies. The Thing was a new adaption of the John W. Campbell story Who Goes There? which had been adapted to film before, and it's a radically different adaption which is closer to the source material. It also happens to be far better executed and is regarded by many as one of the best monster horror movies of its era, one of the best of all time even. Some people argue it as a remake of the older adaption, even if that isn't maybe entirely appropriate.

The Thing from 2011 is proclaimed as a prequel to the 1982 movie, the premise of that being that it's the events of the Norwegian facility. What it is in practice, is a beat for beat remake of the 1982 film but with worse characters, worse scenes, worse effects, and overall just being not even close to as good. It's a very unnecessary movie which brings nothing of value to the table, and the quintessential pointless remake.

Bad film remakes are very much a thing in my opinion, and are typically the norm. A remake being good isn't unheard of (Brian DePalma's Scarface comes to mind, that's an actual remake and a fucking excellent film), but more often than not they are mediocre or subpar cashgrabs which have little value.

[Anonymous No.10698748]

>>10697362
People presume OG RE1 will be too much of a rough draft of the formula, and too 'old' to enjoy after starting late in the series. I avoided it for a long time after starting with 2. I was wrong. Played it with the true director's cut mod with Duckstation downsampling and had a blast.

[Anonymous No.10698754]

>>10698434
>hyper crisp models
>crunchy stank ass 2D
This does not look congruent. Have you heard the good word about downsampling?

[Anonymous No.10698871]

>>10697362
>disappointed in this. it’s not an improvement over the original. why is this rated so highly?

True. When i played that trash for the first time i expected some female zombie maids in the mansion and some female scientists zombies in the lab area too. But no. That was so frustrating.

[Anonymous No.10698886]

Improved gameplay

[Anonymous No.10699162]

>>10698886
>some retard actually bothered recording this as if it were a legitimate criticism and not a funny quirk of the AI
It's funny reading this thread and just how hard so many of you work to hate something. I'm just blown away by how intensely autistic, petty, and silly the reasons are.

>It has lit candles
>The story doesn't make perfect sense
>The game doesn't have terrible voice acting anymore
>I was too much of an autismo to notice it was a serious horror game in 1996/I am a zoomer that never played it at release so I thought it was supposed to be funny
>The mindless shambling zombies aren't super intelligent and accurate in their lunges every time
>it doesn't have female zombies(always love this dude popping up in every RE thread)

[Anonymous No.10699170]

>>10698886
Would you have preferred the magnetic vacuum grabs from the later remakes?

[Anonymous No.10699179]

>>10699162
You're the one dismissing evidence and calling it "AI quirk" when this video demonstrates a real gameplay mechanic: the leniancy system when you're low on health. It's one example of the remake being all show, no substance, just like with Hunters which were made to "look" tough but in reality they spend more time showing off than they do attacking in the remake and their attacking effiency and HP were greatly reduced.

The remake is all show, no bark. It "looks" great and fun at first, but the more you get into it, the more you realize how short it falls where it matters; but most people praising it never got past this "how it looks at first glance".

On paper the extra content is nice, but when you replay it you realize most of everything new is terribly designed, terribly paced, and what was good in the original was dudbed down

[Anonymous No.10699192]

>>10699179
>the leniancy system when you're low on health
That's a good mechanic in REmake. They made everything do way more damage than the original game.

[Anonymous No.10699196]

>>10698432
Contrarianism doesn't make you smart nor is a substitute for your lack of personality.

[Anonymous No.10699202]

>>10699179
Or maybe you're the .1% of people who played it who even know what the fuck the leniency system even is and gamers weren't playing this game in 2024 like 20 times and picking apart its systems just so they could bitch about it zombies apparently missing if you stand still in certain circumstances. I have no clue how it works since you've explained nothing so I can't even determine if it's a bad thing or not. But given that you're the type of autist to rage about shit like this, I'm guessing it's no big deal.

The people who love the game and rate it 9/10 or 10/10 are people who probably played it a few times and just enjoyed it as an experience. They aren't an ultra anal dumb faggot like you just nitpicking and begging to find reasons to complain about it. If you don't understand how petty your criticism is in the scope of the entire game, I can't help you. All of you have terminal autism and find the dumbest shit to whine about.

[Anonymous No.10699212]

>>10699179
I beat the original with only the knife and I had 70 shotgun shells, over 100 handgun bullets, over a dozen magnum rounds, and like 30 grenade launcher rounds left at the end. The Hunters in RE1 literally can't hurt you as long as you know how to run to their left. Therefore, RE1 is a bad game because it had no bite to it and it's terribly designed, paced, blah blah. See, I can do this kind of gay autism too.

[Anonymous No.10699238]

>>10699202
A better understanding of the game and its mechanics will always lead to a better analysis of its qualities and flaws, the opinion of someone who only watched a playthrough on YT and of someone who actually played the game aren't equal.

You sound like you're mad it was discovered you didn't know about a mechanic of the game, and now are trying dismiss it like knowledge of the game isn't actually important to ascertain whether it's good.

[Anonymous No.10699247]

>>10699238
>A better understanding of the game and its mechanics will always lead to a better analysis of its qualities and flaws
Wrong. It just leads to intense nitpicky autism and contrarian angry brainrot like yours. These games are not meant to be analyzed to this level of depth. They are meant to be enjoyed. You are an outlier of their intended audience and your criticisms and perspective don't apply to a significant portion of the consumerbase. So your analysis is actually largely meaningless since 99% of the playerbase doesn't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

>the opinion of someone who only watched a playthrough on YT and of someone who actually played the game aren't equal.
Correct but that does little to support anything you've said.

>You sound like you're mad it was discovered you didn't know about a mechanic of the game
I legitimately don't care. You sound like you want people to praise you for knowing this esoteric mechanic, and nobody gives a shit. I just hate retard autists like you that look for petty reasons to dislike something, overanalyze the fuck out of it, and pretend it's a legitimate criticism that matters. You are quite literally in the same lane as the candles guy in whining about this game.

[Anonymous No.10699263]

it’s very clear reading this thread the true autists who are triggered are those who will ruthlessly attack anyone who doesn’t automatically worship remake as the greatest thing since sliced bread, and defends honest critique as spergery; ignoring all the legit criticisms and hyperfocusing on stupid criticisms like the lit candles, when there is plenty of genuine criticism itt being scoffed at and denied or deflected. it’s pretty deranged, this game is not the holy grail. it seems more likely that there is deep insecurity here, as though admitting the game’s flaws is like bringing down a house of cards, a whole reality will shatter into pieces. it’s just a game. and it’s definitely got flaws, and i agree with op, i don’t think it improved on the original game except for a cosmetic makeover and tacky add-ons that actually stunt the pace at important moments. i also agree that the enemies are either not placed correctly or simply don’t offer a real threat like they did moreso in the original, which made the game more challenging. in the remake, it’s surprising how goofy their behavior is for a supposed update. graphically it is superior but who cares. that’s like zoomer shit where they need a classic film remade because they don’t like black and white. the original game has a perfect balance that can’t be duplicated, and the remake tinkers with that to its detriment, losing the magic touch in gameplay and design in favor of better presentation. i don’t mind the, upgrades like less corny voice acting, but that’s superficial. the game should match the original in technical execution, it should feel right. it doesn’t, it misses the mark. the testament is that i’d still tell someone they need to play the original game to get the true experience, whereas the remake is something that is not essential. it’s just a cool thing to see for gamecube graphics but the changes it makes are not for the better and the experience overall is hampered.

[Anonymous No.10699271]

>>10699263
First time I see a phoneposter that isn't stupid, nice.

[Anonymous No.10699273]

>>10699212
It's amazing to me that there's people who proclaim to be fans of the original game, but they are apparently completely in the dark about the fucking knife, or the time honored tradition of knife only runs.

It'd be like being into the old Diablo games but being clueless about ironman runs.

[Anonymous No.10699279]

>>10699273
The knife is only good if you use the inventory menu exploit to cancel frames, in other words if you cheat. That's coming from someone who did beat it knife only, without the exploit.

[Anonymous No.10699298]

>>10699279
>cheat
It's part of the original game. It's designed that way. You can choose not to use it if you want but the game is just badly designed and sucks. You can beat it by just pausing a lot and it removes all difficulty from it. It's not just the knife. You can shoot zombies and pause to eliminate all recovery frames. Takes the bite and fear right out of the game. That's why RE1 sucks.

[Anonymous No.10699303]

It's clear that everyone that hates the remake is a dumbfuck contrarian that has nothing but meaningless nitpicks to lean on since it's a great game.

[Anonymous No.10699308]

>>10699303
This guy is a genius. Very nice post.

[Anonymous No.10699326]

>>10699263
>>10699271
>lose an argument
>get butthurt
>I know, I'll pretend to be someone else by typing in all lowercase and restating pretty much every single point I just whined about and accuse the people who called out my autism as the REAL autists.
/vr/ has so many pathetic samefags. It's embarrassing. The board moves at a snail's pace and is basically dead and these retards still feel the need to save face and agree with themselves. If you were hoping to convince the few boomers reading this thread that you're definitely not the autist in this thread by agreeing with yourself, it had the opposite effect.

[Anonymous No.10699332]

>>10699303
>contrarian
Lol faggot

[Anonymous No.10699336]

>>10699332
>97% positive ratings
Yes, contrarian.

[Anonymous No.10699347]

>>10699303
it’s absurd that you’re trying to suggest valid critique is equivalent to hatred of the game and trying to reduce it to mere meaningless nitpicking as though there’s a vendetta against the remake when people are simply trying to explain what they see as flaws it problematic elements that lower the rating in comparison to the original. there’s some well-thought replies in the thread making a case as to why the game has issues that call into question its presumed greatness. you’re not doing any favors for your defense of the game by pooh-poohing them like a hurt child. it makes it seem like you reject that there is even the possibility that someone can dislike the game without being a deficient human under some spell of self-delusional, as if there is no conceivable way anyone can have a complaint about it. this is not a rational way to debate. you forfeit, in my eyes, by being so irreconcilably blind to any consideration of alternate opinion. alas, it’s fruitless to tell the true believer they’re in a cult. they double-down and say you’re the one who is brainwashed. being unable to criticize something is always a sign of the cult. not its opposite. it seems you have discovered video game nirvana. resident evil remake is it: an untouchable masterpiece. enjoy

[Anonymous No.10699353]

>>10699336
appeal to authority or consensus is a logical fallacy. you lost this debate

[Anonymous No.10699363]

>>10699336
Modern games filled with microtransactions, content locked behind DLCs, more cutscenes than gameplay and niggers and faggots as heros also have ~90% positive ratings

[Anonymous No.10699373]

>>10699353
There was no debate. You got assmad about the word contrarian. I pointed out that the game has near universal approval to demonstrate I used the correct word. Then you for some reason labeled that an appeal to authority because you are a retard.

[Anonymous No.10699382]

>>10699347
>valid critique
No matter how many times you label your own nitpicking autism a valid critique, it's still not going to mean anything. You haven't even explained why it's a problem. You just posted a gif of two zombie bites narrowly missing Jill when she stood still in a specific room and then said it's proof that the game sucked. You haven't even explained what the mechanic is or why it's a problem. So yeah, it is meaningless nitpicking. It'd be like me posting a gif of me running circles around a hunter in RE1 without it being able to hit me as proof that the game sucks. It is completely asinine, retarded criticism.

> there’s some well-thought replies in the thread making a case as to why the game has issues that call into question its presumed greatness.
I haven't seen even one single good point that was actually meaningful. The funny thing is I'm not even some huge fan of the game. It's just that your form of nitpicking autism is incredibly easy to dismantle.

>you're in a cult
>how dare you question my criticisms
>you're a hurt child for resisting my opinions
You love this style of exaggeration. It's common in midwit autists who nitpick and exaggerate issues within a game. Winds up spilling over into everything they say.

You're allowed to dislike Remake and I'm allowed to point out that your reasons that you stated for not liking it are extremely petty. When the game is almost universally loved by the fanbase and the best shit you can muster up are meaningless nitpicks, yeah. You come off like a contrarian retard.

[Anonymous No.10699385]

>>10699373
i’m not the poster who called you out over the use of contrarian. claiming something has near universal approval is once again an apeal to authority. that is, factually, a logical fallacy. ad hominems don’t imprive your case. you are a sore loser with no argument

[Anonymous No.10699393]

>>10699363
Nothing you listed there would prevent a game from being good other than maybe more cutscenes than gameplay. It's easy for a game to have a 90% positive rating. REmake has a 97% approval rating, which is extremely rare. It is contrarian to hate it whether you want to admit it or not.

[Anonymous No.10699401]

>>10699385
You literally have no clue what the fuck you're even talking about. What argument did I lose by correctly labeling someone a contrarian and pointing out that their opinion goes against the consensus of over 95% of the people who played the game? I made no appeal to authority you fucking retard. Maybe you should actually learn basic logic and learn what the fuck you're even saying before you post. This is just embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.10699409]

>>10699401
appeal to authority is when you say it has a 97% approval. in debate, this is a logical fallacy. you can’t just say 97% agree with my position therefore i am right. you’ve been doing that throughout the thread. this is disqualifying in a debate. the strength of your argument is merely that a lot of people agree with you. that’s not an argument. calling people retarded for disagreeing with you is also not an argument. you’ve proven over and over that you don’t comprehend what a logical debate is, or how to make an argument. you lose by default.

[Anonymous No.10699419]

>>10699401
Being unable to discuss and critique the details of a work because you're constrained by the appearance of its approval in a vacuum shows a lack of constitution.

[Anonymous No.10699426]

>>10699409
>appeal to authority is when you say it has a 97% approval.
Incorrect. An appeal to authority would be if I said REmake was a great game because Shinji Mikami said it was and he is a game developer, so he must know what he's talking about.

You are trying to say I'm committing is ad populum, which is still incorrect and inapplicable to anything I've stated. That would be if I said REmake was a great game because a lot of people liked it.

The literal only thing I stated here is that you are a contrarian for hating it, which is not a logical fallacy. It is a completely logical and defensible conclusion based both on English meaning of the word contrarian and statistics.

>you can’t just say 97% agree with my position therefore i am right.
Good thing I never stated that. Feel free to quote where I did.

>you’ve been doing that throughout the thread.
I've not stated it even once. Quote it. Just because you suck ass with reading comprehension isn't my fault.

[Anonymous No.10699437]

>>10699419
>Being unable to discuss and critique the details of a work because you're constrained by the appearance of its approval in a vacuum shows a lack of constitution.
I'm discussing those critiques right now. As we speak. I've been doing it the entire thread. It's not my fault your critiques are fucking shit. I never said REmake was devoid of flaws. I just punched holes in all of the obvious, shitty, low IQ criticisms your autistic minds shat out in this thread.

You're essentially whining about I pointed out how dumb, lazy, and irrelevant your criticisms are to REmake's actual quality. I could quite literally engage in the exact same behavior as you to tear down any game that has ever been created because it's not hard to act like an overly critical sperg that complains about incredibly specific things.

[Anonymous No.10699441]

Hey guys RE2 is complete shit because if you just walk, the Lickers will never activate if you know what you're doing. It's so fucking stupid it ruins the whole game they're not even scary because I can just walk right past them the entire game without them ever attacking me. Hurrrr

[Anonymous No.10699443]

>>10699426
it’s an appeak to authority because you have labeled consensus as the authoritative truth. using consensus is also not allowed in debate. saying ‘well everybody thinks this’ is a logical fallacy and not presentable as a valid argument. calling someone a contrarian is not an argument. i have read the thread, you have stated that anyone who doesn’t think it’s great is a retard. this is not an argument. you have yet to present a single argument.

[Anonymous No.10699445]

Oh man RE4 sucks so much shit I had so much ammo left at the end it wasn't even challenging or scary. The whole game sucks and I can easily beat it just by shooting people in the leg and kicking them or suplexing them over and over again. BORING. Game sucks.

[Anonymous No.10699450]

>>10699443
>it’s an appeak to authority because you have labeled consensus as the authoritative truth.
You are an actual low IQ retard and I'm rapidly losing interest in responding to you and schooling you in basic logical fallacies. You quite literal have no clue what the fuck you're even saying and I don't want to sit here replying to you as you try to fumble through trying to pin some kind of logical fallacy on me that you don't even understand.

You can't even read and you're repeatedly strawmanning and saying I said stuff I never said because you're an idiot.

>using consensus is also not allowed in debate.
It absolutely is you fucking idiot. Statistics are used constantly in debates. Statistics both related to the feelings of the general population and the consensus of experts. You are such a fucking clueless moron, holy shit.

>calling someone a contrarian is not an argument.
It was never intended to be an argument. It was a simple statement of fact, and accurate.

>i have read the thread, you have stated that anyone who doesn’t think it’s great is a retard.
Then quote it, because I never stated that outside of one VERY obvious shitpost where I was making fun of someone for samefagging.

[Anonymous No.10699454]

>>10699426
>That would be if I said REmake was a great game because a lot of people liked it.
you literally do this every time you bring up that the game has a 97% approval rating, thereby any criticism is nullified as contrarianism, retardation or mental gymnastics and merely hatred of the game or meaningless nitpicking rather than a legitimate critique. you’re using the approval rating as the measure of its perceived consensus greatness and speaking on behalf of the fanbase as the representative of the only valud opinion, and shutting doen anyone who disagrees as being an outlier contrarian. this is 100% not logical and not acceptable as an argument in a debate.

[Anonymous No.10699457]

Hey guys, RE3 is a really bad game. You can just infinitely dodge everything in the game and it takes all of the scare out of it. Dogshit. I also had a bunch of ammo left over at the end and it was easy for me to beat it in 2024 after I played it for 20 years. What an awful game.

[Anonymous No.10699458]

>>10699437
>post is a waffling exercise of thrown around adjectives and buzzwords
>concluding statement is critiques shouldn't be specific
lol you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.10699462]

>>10699450
>the consensus of experts.
that’s appeal to authority and a logical fallacy, and not something you can use in a debate

[Anonymous No.10699470]

>>10699454
>you literally do this every time you bring up that the game has a 97% approval rating
False. You are such a fucking moron. I did not say REmake was a great game because 97% of people like it. I brought up its 97% approval rating to demonstrate the contrarian nature of the complaints in these threads on top of the stated reasons for hating it being weak. I'm not going to keep repeating myself just because you are a retard that can't read or think.

Actual low IQ idiot.

[Anonymous No.10699475]

>>10699458
My concluding statement is that your "critiques" are so specific and petty as to be essentially irrelevant. I didn't waffle at all. My posts have been consistent the entire time.

[Anonymous No.10699476]

>>10699470
>I brought up its 97% approval rating to demonstrate the contrarian nature of the complaints
entirely irrelevang in debate. it’s not argument. if there was only one person against 1000 who agree with you, you still have to present an argument to the 1. calling them contrarian isn’t winning any debate.

[Anonymous No.10699480]

>>10699462
>expert testimony, expert research, and expert consensus as supporting arguments are logical fallacies
Okay, retard. You are either trolling or so mentally deficient that I feel silly even responding to you. Either way, this is your last (You).

[Anonymous No.10699493]

>>10699476
>irrelevang
>it's not argument
>appeak
Last time you ESL fucking idiot: I did not bring up the 97% approval rating as proof that it is "correct" to like REmake. I brought it up to justify my use of the word contrarian, which it does.

>calling them contrarian isn’t winning any debate.
There was no debate. One guy took exception to the word contrarian. I clarified why it's correct.

[Anonymous No.10699497]

>>10699493
Don't use the word contrarian, it just makes you look like a retard seeking approval.

[Anonymous No.10699504]

>>10699480
yes, appealing to experts is a logical fallacy. it’s not a valud argument in debate. you don’t know anything abiut the laws of debate. you have forfeitted by default by attempting to use disqualifying arguments.

[Anonymous No.10699506]

>>10699497
I'll use whatever word I want to you contrarian faggot.

[Anonymous No.10699509]

>>10699506
Then accept the consequences of coming off as a gigantic pussy here to maintain the status quo because you don't want to be offensive, soft little bitch.

[Anonymous No.10699520]

>>10699509
Oh no the consequences of you crying like a pisspants crybaby retard. How will I ever deal with the harsh judgment of some chinless retard on the internet? You retarded contrarian faggot.

>oh im so badass i dont like things everyone else does and i have all these dumb autistic nitpicky reasons why i just cant like the thing nope no sir, im the one last smart guy against all the dumbs
Contrarian FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.10699528]

>>10699520
Having a little breakdown there buddy? Never thought I'd see someone so attached to other peoples opinions.

[Anonymous No.10699531]

>>10699520
yes, how dare we question the almighty CONSENSUS of an approval rating that is the ultra-rare 97%! lest we be CONTRARIAN and one of the retarded 3% that is autistic and nitpicky! all bow before the 97% and do not speak a harsh word of critique against thine master, resident evil remake. truly, to say against it is to be contrarian. and no man hath greater shame than the contrarians.

[Anonymous No.10699534]

>>10699528
>can't even defend himself since he knows I'm right
>Hypocritically complains about a word being used while simultaneously claiming caring about others' opinions is wrong
Top kek

[Anonymous No.10699537]

>>10699534
What are your masters right about exactly? Please elaborate, this time with less "I totally BTFO the other guy because his dogshit opinions disagreed with IGN!"

[Anonymous No.10699540]

>>10699534
how can you be right when you haven’t presented a single argument lol you don’t even comprehend all of the fallacies in what you propose. until you can actually provide an argument, you lose by default, i.e. you’re wrong.

[Anonymous No.10699542]

>>10699537
What masters? Can you even go 10 fucking seconds without strawmanning, misreading everything I typed, and just being a complete retard in general? I blew you both the fuck out because, even to this point, you still haven't brought up a single good criticism of this game. You're just whining for hours on end about being rightfully called contrarians without a single good reason to dislike this game.

How about this: bring up an actual good criticism of REmake that isn't "there are lit candles" and "it doesn't have female zombies" and "sometimes zombie lunge accuracy is tweaked for leniency if you're low on health". That would be a good start. Because if you hate this game for such fucking petty reasons then you should hate every game in existence, which you selectively do to feed your retarded need to go against the mainstream consensus.

[Anonymous No.10699559]

>>10699542
>What masters?
The ones that are clearly holding you back. The ones you are beholden to. The same ones that happily contradict themselves due to the passage of time. The ones you struggle to act beyond the expectations of. The same ones that declare it must be hatred if those critiques are the actions of hate.

[Anonymous No.10699568]

>>10699542
you’re strawmanning the critiques. there are many valid criticisms itt including bad pacing due to added material being tedious such as unneccessary added cabe puzzles that stall the momentum of the game, lisa trevor being a shameless silent hill wannabe grotesquery, difficulty balancing due to enemy placement and dysfunctional ai behavior, added tedium of crimson heads amounting to respawning and plenty more itt if you bothered to read instead of dismissing every criticism as contrarian butthurt. you have yet to level an argument as to why it’s great other than consensus approval. and you have not answered any criticism in rebuttal argument. you are not the determining authority on what qualifies as good or bad criticism, if you want to debate in good faith then answer the critiques i just presented. stop bringing up the ones that you say aren’t good and address the ones i just presented, which have been brought up itt. and don’t use logical fallacies, it matters not whether a person is outside of the consensus of an approval rating. if you have an argument, bring it.

[Anonymous No.10699571]

Look how offended people always become when you deny the sanctity of an exclusive game released for a Nintendo console

[Anonymous No.10699578]

>>10699542
>mainstream consensus
who fucking cares, plenty of games suck that have a perceived consensus in the mainstream. this is the lamest basis of argument a person can make. might as well resort to saying:
>hurr durr, it’s really popular, guys!
that doesn’t cut it here.

[Anonymous No.10699581]

>>10697726
critics are fucking retarded. i don't give a shit because some idiot squeed with glee and clapped at this clearly inferior remake of a classic game.

[Anonymous No.10699634]

Take your meds, auster

[Anonymous No.10699646]

>>10699298
>If I do this thing that makes the game easy then it's too easy

Don't do the thing that makes the game too easy then. It's not like pause cancelling is an intended mechanic, it's a bug.

This is like if you warp to the boss room in OoT and then complain that the game is too short.

I swear that people used to be smarter on this website.

[Anonymous No.10699687]

>>10699568
>including bad pacing due to added material being tedious such as unneccessary added cabe puzzles that stall the momentum of the game
According to whom? Speedrunners? Nobody else seems to find this to be an issue. It isn't even a common complaint. The game has an average playtime of 11 hours. There's nothing wrong with the pacing. I don't feel it's an issue. Now what? It's your word against mine and you have fucking nothing to back up the idea that there's actually a problem because this is not a criticism of the game, it's just a feeling you have.

>lisa trevor being a shameless silent hill wannabe grotesquery
Another subjective whatever criticism. Other people have lobbied criticisms at Resident Evil that it isn't scary or grotesque enough and is too plain jane with its enemies. It's your word vs theirs.

>difficulty balancing due to enemy placement and dysfunctional ai behavior
Yet another vague criticism with no merit. According to whom? Who is this a problem for? Autists in 2024 playing the game on emulator with savestates? How are you going to try to argue these things are actual problems when 95% of players feel they aren't a problem? Because you said so? What evidence do you have to support that this is a problem? Absolutely fucking nothing.

This is all just stupid shit that nobody can prove or disprove. They're empty criticisms that you can't actually support with evidence or even common consensus. It's just your headcanon feelings.

>you have yet to level an argument as to why it’s great other than consensus approval.
I never said it's great period and for like the 500th fucking time you braindead retard, I never used consensus approval as a reason that it's good. I never said it was good to begin with. I said you stupid faggots are contrarians with flimsy reasons for not liking the game. That's it. You can't get it through your thick retard ESL skull for some reason.

[Anonymous No.10699692]

>>10699559
It's hilarious you even said this since none of my posts, not even once, referenced critic reviews. But were in fact 100% related to fan response to the game. Critics actually rated REmake worse than fans did. You have more in common with professional reviewers on their take of this game than the fans do. So much for the "corporate slave" bullshit narrative you were going for you contrarian faggot.

[Anonymous No.10699698]

>>10699578
>>10699581
>who fucking cares
I care when so many of you stupid braindead faggots always try so hard to stand out by being contrarian and arguing that what is popular is akshually really bad, because it has bleeding pixels or some other stupid horseshit reason you made up to make yourself feel special.

Look at this board motherfucker. The entire catalogue is full of you idiots with your dogshit hot takes that think you're unique snowflakes for criticizing these games and shitting on them. You think these journalists and fans that like these games are braindead? You're the most predictable braindead tryhard retard faggots on the planet.

[Anonymous No.10699767]

>>10697362
Why did they cut a bunch of interactions with Barry and Rebecca?

[Anonymous No.10699771]

>>10699687
>How are you going to try to argue these things are actual problems when 95% of players feel they aren't a problem?
>Another subjective whatever criticism.
> How are you going to try to argue these things are actual problems when 95% of players feel they aren't a problem? Because you said so? What evidence do you have to support that this is a problem? Absolutely fucking nothing.
>This is all just stupid shit that nobody can prove or disprove. They're empty criticisms that you can't actually support with evidence or even common consensus. It's just your headcanon feelings.
this is not how you do a debate, dude. first you said there were no criticisms. then i provided some examples by people in the thread as to what they feel mars the game and makes it inferior to the original. you calling them invalid or meritless doesn’t make it so. of course it’s their subjective opinion. you’re attempting to speak on behalf of 95% of other players’ opinion of the game and cannot even provide a rebuttal argument as to what is good about the game, you’re just saying any critique is automatically without merit, and your basis for doing so is appealing to majority consensus based upon an online rating to suggest that it’s somehow not allowed to be disliked because no complaint meets your standard. no one has to probe with evidence what their issue with the game is that caused them to rate it lower than the original, their expressed opinion is the critique. the basis of debate is opinion, not facts. to counter their argument as to why remake us inferior, you can establish an argument as to why remake is better by addressing their complaints or by contrasting it to the original game. you are instead just attacking them and claiming their opinion has no merit and id not supported by a majority and therefore must be invalid. not an argument. saying they are empty criticisms doesn’t win the debate. posit an opposing opinion, don’t label your opponent as a retard

[Anonymous No.10699797]

>>10699698
nobody said it’s really bad, they said it’s inferior to the original. now you’re using its popularity as a metric to make it immune to criticism. the number if logical fallacies put forth by you are astounding. it’s as if you believe that every human being has been polled and given an opinion to you personally and you are the absolute authority on earth’s opinion of the game and can speak on their behalf, and anyone making the slightest complaint to suggest it isn’t as good as the original game has engaged in heresy. it’s hard to comprehend this degree of meltdown sperging. any comparison to other threads in the board or other takes is not relevant, we are talking about remake vs original only. you can’t seem to offer any counter argument without resorting to fallacy. i’m still waiting for you to make an actual argument. your unwillingness can only be construed as forfeiture. you have no argument. you have lost.

[Anonymous No.10699804]

>>10697625
Almost everything except the updated graphics could have been done with the original hardware. If the added stuff had been the original intention, it would have been in the original game.
I really like REmake but the original does some things better, and I think it's a more well-realized package. I do love the crimson heads though, I wish they'd been used again.

[Anonymous No.10699813]

>>10697634
>It's a fucking video game you manchildren!
NTA and not bothered by the candles personally, but it's a video game that thrives on its atmosphere. If the candles break suspension of disbelief, the atmosphere is impacted.
I think that anon was joking though.

[Anonymous No.10699820]

>>10697772
>needs to be able to see
>doesn't remove sunglasses

[Anonymous No.10699824]

>>10699813
maybe it’s all a nightmare wesker is having and so it’s just dream logic, the candles never burn out and people leave acid grenade launcher rounds in the bathtub. david lynch’s resident evil

[Anonymous No.10699836]

>>10699804
>Almost everything except the updated graphics could have been done with the original hardware. If the added stuff had been the original intention, it would have been in the original game.
Not really. Hardware limitations can make a lot of things they want to originally do a lot harder to actually implement or they could have just run out of time. Developers often have to pick and choose what resources they want to focus on and have to leave out stuff they really wanted to include(See Chrono Cross and their whole Guile debacle). There was nothing theoretically stopping them, but plenty of things do.

[Anonymous No.10699856]

>>10699771
>>10699797
You're just going to idiotically strawman and say the same stupid shit over and over and reply endlessly because you're one of those boneheaded autists that thinks that as long as you get the last word and repeatedly declare yourself the victor, it's some kind of internet W. You keep droning on like a complete idiot about logical fallacies when I didn't make any. You repeatedly screw up which ones are which and misapply them to my arguments. You drone on about what the "rules of debate" are while strawmanning, insisting that evidence and statistics are invalid debate tactics(lol), and that unless I poll literally every person alive on their opinions, no information can be inferred from fan consensus.

You are one of the most frustrating dumbasses I've ever encountered on this website because you're too stupid to even actually read and understand what I've been saying. I'm satisfied that anyone of a reasonable IQ reading our conversation will realize what an idiot you are so I have nothing left to say to you.

[Anonymous No.10699865]

>>10699804
Yeah I never bought that claim either. I can't think of a single gameplay related thing the remake does that couldn't be done on the Playstation.

[Anonymous No.10699879]

>>10698703
>Bad film remakes are very much a thing in my opinion, and are typically the norm.
I didn't imply otherwise, I said they don't try to be "better" but just do the same story in a different style. Sometimes it turns out good, sometimes not, but by the nature of remakes, they seek to deviate and not directly compete.

I think of remakes of classic cult horror films like House on Haunted Hill, House of Wax (already a remake), or 13 Ghosts that got remade in the 90s. They weren't trying to outdo Vincent Price or William Castle, they just redid the stories in a modern style for modern audiences, which they were fairly successful with. Which is better is up to the audience afterwards, but that's typically not what a director is going for.

Even John Carpenter said explicitly that when he was offered the job to remake The Thing From Another World, he didn't want to compete with the original, being a big fan of it. He just picked a different style to do the story in. When it came out, it actually got mostly negative reviews and didn't become a respected film until later on when audience tastes changed. At the time, people thought The Thing WAS a "bad remake."

[Anonymous No.10699881]

>>10699865
That's just such a bizarre way to think about development, though. You could have plenty of ideas that could have theoretically been implemented 30 years ago but it was just too hard and time consuming at the time you made it. Seems like kind of a moot point because is there even an example of modern gameplay in a game that legitimately could not have been replicated on the technology 30 years ago? The only thing that even comes to mind only relates to internet connectivity. You could easily make anything today work on the Playstation. Sometimes, industry advances in technique and technology allow you to more fully realize the project you started.

[Anonymous No.10699889]

>>10699441
I mean yea RE2 is complete shit for many reasons.

[Anonymous No.10699893]

>>10699856
the very fact that you’re appealing to a majority, the popularity, the statistical evidence in an opinion-based debate is the logical fallacy. and yes, if the debate were structured on facts, the consensus of experts is also an appeal to authority that is a fallacy. you could present facts and statistics, but you can’t use a perceived consensus among experts (or in this case, a poll of fan opinion in an opinion debate) to use as a counter argument. present your own opinion vs the opinions in the thread since you’re intent is to argue that any criticism of the remake is baseless and without merit. you haven’t done that, you keep talking about approval ratings and purporting to know what 95% of fans think, while not even knowing whether those fans who like the remake would agree or disagree that the original is superior or inferior because that’s not per the poll. so even the main piece of claim is not relevant to this debate, because we aren’t talking about whether or not remake is an excellent game, the specific debate is over whether it’s the better version of the first resident evil. you took it upon yourself to claim you know with certainty that it is, and claim anyone who disagrees is contrarian. that’s still not an argument. you have yet to understand what an argument is, and how and why you’re engaging in fallacy. until you present an argument, you lose by default according to the laws of debate. you can step up any time and make the case for remake being the superior version, but do so without appealing to consensus. and you can counter argue the claim that its the inferior game but doing do by calling people braindead retards is fallacy.

[Anonymous No.10699895]

>>10699893
I'm not reading that, just so you know.

[Anonymous No.10699896]

CV fans are mental

[Anonymous No.10699897]

>>10699836
It's possible they ran out of time or budget but the hardware itself could have handled every gameplay and story element they added. Even some of the graphical elements, considering they were prerendered backgrounds
It's possible some things like rooms had to be left out due to disc space.
But unless there's something from the developers specifying things they wanted to do in the original but couldn't, it seems reasonable to assume most changes were devised specifically for the remake rather than being things that were left on the cutting room floor.

[Anonymous No.10699910]

>>10699897
>it seems reasonable to assume most changes were devised specifically for the remake rather than being things that were left on the cutting room floor.
They were. It was basically just a straight remake with updated graphics until late in development when they decided it was too similar to the original. That's when all the new stuff was devised and implemented.

[Anonymous No.10699913]

>>10699881
it’s almost as if honoring the supposed intent of the developers is irrelevant to the quality of the finished product, and no excuse for it being good or bad. and remaking a game that does honor their intent does not somehow make it the better version. execution of what is: that’s all that matters. their mistake or lack of resources could be an unintentional blessing and rest in a higher quality final product

[Anonymous No.10699919]

>>10699895
then you have lost the debate by forfeiture because you’re unwilling. you had a chance to make a case for the superiority of remake over original. all you did was call people retards and talk about an online fan poll. you lose

[Anonymous No.10699924]

>>10699897
But then there's other things they just didn't have time for likely, or things they became aware of after release. Like balance changes. Ammo locations. Things they can do better now that the game was released and they have a better understanding of how players actually played the game. So their tweaking can be more in line with what they wanted for the game.

I think it's a mix of things with these sorts of projects. Some new ideas(Lisa), some things they always had in mind but couldn't pull off with the old technology(graphics, mood, voice acting, gameplay smoothness, burnable corpses), some things they ran out of time for(the alternate story paths probably had to be limited and shortened), and some things they had intended but rebalanced after seeing how it played out(ammo caches, self-defense weapons. enemy AI patterns).

It's never really just one thing with these remakes. Rather than staying just true to the original vision, I think it's both that and making sensible upgrades and improvements where you know you can without harming the original, which is something REmake does very well.

[Anonymous No.10699925]

Mental illness

[Anonymous No.10699936]

Just letting you all know that I won this internet debate because the ESL retard violated the rules of debate by strawmanning my arguments. He lost, and I won. Too bad. Better luck next time.

[Anonymous No.10699939]

>>10699804
The one thing I've repeatedly read that they really wanted to do with the original but couldn't for various reasons was giving the monsters some freedom to roam the maps and giving the player the ability to barricade doors and set traps to counter it.

[Anonymous No.10699943]

>>10699910
maybe that’s why it’s a mess. they didn’t have time to test it properly as to whether the additions were going to be fluid with the original design. hint: they weren’t. the game is lopsided. it’s very solid, don’t get me wrong. but the additions are sloppy, it’s like coloring outside the lines. if you throw in new ingredients with a perfect recipe, it doesn’t always make for a better meal. it may appear that way at first, but the remake is like a great song being covered and the new singer is out of key and they added too many instruments and took out some things that were more soulful. it’s playable but it doesn’t match the o.g.

[Anonymous No.10699948]

>>10699910
Makes sense that if they released the remake as just a graphical upgrade, it would have sucked. People already played it just 5 years ago and it was made near the beginning of the PS1's lifespan so that would have come off as incredibly dated and lame to gamers if they had left it like that. They did a great job with the additions they made.

[Anonymous No.10699950]

>>10699936
you never made a single argument. you appealed to a fan poll

[Anonymous No.10699953]

>>10699913
Stop replying to me you retarded cunt. I'm not going to read anything you write. If you start a post with a lowercase letter, I'm not reading it. You're too stupid to have a conversation with.

[Anonymous No.10699958]

Just a friendly reminder that I won the argument because the ESL retard violated the rules of debate by ignoring my statements and strawmanning them. I win by default.

[Anonymous No.10699963]

>>10699936
your argument:
>you’re a retarded contrarian, this game has a 97% approval rating! your criticisms have no merit! 97% is rare! i win!

[Anonymous No.10699967]

>>10698871
based female zombie autist.

[Anonymous No.10699971]

It triggers because is on a nintendo console

[Anonymous No.10699973]

>>10699196
having your own opinion that differ from the majority isnt necessarily contrarianism anon,humanity isnt a hivemind you know.
if i was a contrarianism i would always have the opposite opinion of the majority but if you knew me you would know thats not the case.

[Anonymous No.10699976]

>>10699687
>The game has an average playtime of 11 hours. There's nothing wrong with the pacing. I don't feel it's an issue. Now what? It's your word against mine and you have fucking nothing to back up the idea that there's actually a problem because this is not a criticism of the game, it's just a feeling you have.
high quality debate, i see. what’s next? my pee pee is bigger than yours? jfc

[Anonymous No.10699980]

Kek

[Anonymous No.10699981]

>>10699971
True. Sony wouldn't have proper triggers until the DualShock 3

[Anonymous No.10699991]

>>10697392
If you look at the candle that’s lit it isn’t even the color Amber (123.459.005) it’s more of a fluorescent salmon (667.445.009).

I actually burned the game in protest

[Anonymous No.10699994]

>>10699980
the cope of pretending he’s just trolling

[Anonymous No.10700001]

Everyone laughing at OP

[Anonymous No.10700009]

>>10700001
a 97% consensus, no doubt. anyone not laughing is a contrarian.

[Anonymous No.10700065]

>The ESL retard doesn't realize he was the one being accused of lazy trolling
He's just the precious gift that keeps on giving. It wasn't even my picture. I'd never save some dumb anime bitch's face on my computer.

[Anonymous No.10700107]

>>10699939
That makes sense, and it would have been really cool if they'd done that with the remake.

[Anonymous No.10700121]

>>10698306
>it can't be helped
Is a phrase that exists in English and has for a long time.

[Anonymous No.10700167]

>>10697362
It was pretty funny seeing the same people who endlessly praise this game shitting on the RE4 remake for doing the same exact things.

[Anonymous No.10700239]

>>10700121
So has "do the needful" it doesn't mean anyone has used it for the past hundreds of years.

[Anonymous No.10700248]

>>10697368
unlike the person making all these various RE, Zelda, and Halo b8 threads, it's not an improvement - its simply a different game. I prefer the original, but there's nothing wrong with the remake, I just don't consider it a replacement at all.

[Anonymous No.10700438]

[Anonymous No.10700516]

>>10700248
>it must be b8 because there can’t be a person who thinks differently
this board is broken

[Anonymous No.10700837]

The thing about the candles I don't get is why they and seemingly only they bother people enough to destroy their suspension of disbelief. RE has always been about invoking the charm of schlocky horror, the mansion is literally just justification to have a "spooky mansion" setting that people seem to hate so much.

[Anonymous No.10700862]

Is that all this board is now? Just shitty bait and rage?

[Anonymous No.10700878]

>>10700862
yeah...

[Anonymous No.10700912]

>>10700862
This thread is mostly just the autistic OP baiting and repeating himself no matter how many times people explain how retarded he is. If he's not a troll, he's impressively dense.

[Anonymous No.10700927]

>>10700912
We aren’t reading the same thread. I see some anons attempting to express a little disappointment with the REmake. It doesn’t appear to be bait. What’s so wrong with a little discussion? It’s impressive how often the word bait is thrown around on this board when someone doesn’t like a thing. It used to be called having a difference of opinion.

[Anonymous No.10701064]

>>10697362
mystifying to me as well, op. i think it’s a downgrade from the psone game. love the lighting effects but the game itself is just off

[Anonymous No.10701071]

>>10700239
True, but I've heard it many a time and there are examples of it being used more currently too. Maybe it's a regional thing. It sounds completely natural to me and I never got the hate for it.

[Anonymous No.10701074]

>>10700516
>it must be b8 because there can’t be a person who thinks differently
The guy you're responding to is one of the people who thinks differently (in not thinking REmake replaces RE). So am I. But you see enough of these threads and they do start to seem like bait.
(I don't think this one is though)

[Anonymous No.10701571]

>>10701074
it’s not bait. could have had more sincere discussion but for willful unacceptance of any kind of varying opinion on this game

[Anonymous No.10701764]

>>10697362
im convinced people like you with terrible taste are possessed by demons

[Anonymous No.10701801]

>>10697520
>immediately outing yourself as bait
>still get fuck ton of replies

[Anonymous No.10701805]

I don't know why this artistic subtlety has to be explained to so many people

[Anonymous No.10701809]

I get OPs criticism, even if this is an overdone topic. Having played both many times they do have a different feel so it only makes sense some would prefer one or the other more. FWIW I probably like the original more simply for nostalgic reasons. And I found CV fun too.

>>10697819
Uh... Wowsers!

[Anonymous No.10701826]

>>10700927
It does sound like bait. It sounds like typical internet shitpost baiting by claiming a clearly inferior game is actually superior. This kind of dumb bullshit only happens on this corner of the internet. It doesn't help that OP is very clearly samefagging sporadically throughout this thread.

If we gathered 1000 random people to play both games and asked them which one was better, it's very obvious that everyone would nearly. if not entirely, unanimously pick REmake. The reasons people have stated in this thread for not liking it are either incredibly petty, apply to all video games, or they're just subjective opinionated stuff with no merit like the guy who says it has pacing problems or that Lisa is a bad inclusion.

This thread is ass and is basically one massive troll.

[Anonymous No.10701836]

>>10699936
>>10699958
Bait, surely. Nobody could be this far gone without having some kind of state-funded leash holder.

[Anonymous No.10701837]

>>10701809
I can understand saying you just prefer the original since it has more nostalgic appeal to you and you like certain things about it better. Saying RE1 is a better game than REmake is pure shitpost trolling.

[Anonymous No.10701848]

>>10701837
Better in some way, or overall? We are talking artistic, as well as technical works here so I thoroughly disagree that one can be objectively better overall without some watertight criteria.

[Anonymous No.10701849]

Its funny how many people in this thread do not realize that op is the same guy who is constantly making threads about how CV is the best game in the series

and now he is going to make this thread repeatedly since people stopped responding to his CV bait

[Anonymous No.10701863]

>>10701848
Typing to you morons can be genuinely mentally exhausting. It's like I'm conversing with actual children who are trying to sound clever and will say any retarded thing they can think of just to try and "win" a conversation.

Yes, sure thing anon. All art is truly subjective at its core. Let's reduce and burn our level of discourse to the ground by reverting to "art is subjective" arguments. Let's just respond to everything with that. Desert Bus is better than Super Mario 64. You can't say it's not because art is subjective. Isn't this such riveting, useful discussion?

REmake is a better game than RE1. This isn't meaningfully up for debate.

[Anonymous No.10701886]

>>10701863
>you morons
You have no intellectual high ground anon. I was literally asking your opinion and even artistic works can be objectively better. A smart guy would have spotted these things, you chromosome-enriched carbohydrate converter. (verification not required)

[Anonymous No.10701942]

>>10697665
>The same goes for film directors going back and fucking up their own movies because they never understood why people liked them in the first place. I guess you're a fan of the Special Edition versions of Star Wars too, since they're that fat fuck Lucas' "original intention" had he had access to unlimited CGI garbage in the 70s.
Nta but pretty good argument, I hate the new endings added to original Blade Runner and Terminator 2, they fuck up all the subtlety, the movies were so much better off without them.
I guess retarded fat american audience cannot think for themselves so leaving anything for interpretation or mystery is a big no no for the publishers

[Anonymous No.10701945]

>>10701863
>This isn't meaningfully up for debate.
Shut your bitch ass mouth.

[Anonymous No.10701956]

>>10701886
>I was literally asking your opinion
No, you were being a disingenuous weasel. You were trying to dismiss an obvious reality by making pleading arguments about subjectivity of art and trying to argue that unless something can be proven numerically or measurably superior in some fashion, then it can't be argued to actually be superior. I could use your same stupid logic and wording to declare that Super Mario 64 isn't strictly better than Desert Bus, and thus I can safely argue Desert Bus is better. Do you respond to literally everyone on this board with this retarded shit? Because you could and it would be equally relevant to every conversation on this board. Which is to say not at all.

Your post was fucking stupid and so are you. That's my opinion.

[Anonymous No.10701968]

>>10701863
>>10701956
There is no semantic difference between "I like X more than Y" and "X is better than Y". Evaluative terms are inescapably grounded in preference. Appealing to some imagined objective standard only reveals your shocking lack of self-awareness as a culturally and historically contingent being.

[Anonymous No.10701986]

>>10701956
>unless something can be proven numerically or measurably superior in some fashion, then it can't be argued to actually be superior
>stupid logic
You haven't seen my Mona Lisa anon. It's objectively inferior but to convince a random anon of this it's usual to lay out some baseline reasoning. Shame on EVERYONE else from keeping this a secret from you.
>Do you respond to literally everyone on this board with this retarded shit?
You are the one with much to answer for here. I came to discuss, not proselytise anons to some epicurean brand of idiocy.

[Anonymous No.10702072]

>>10701826
op here. for the last time, it’s not bait. i am completely sincere. let me try this another way. if you took a game like super mario world, and did a graphical overhaul and mainly kept in tact but added some new enemies and gave mario some new abilities and added a few new levels i would not automatically say it’s a clearly better game. why? because the original has the magic touch and perfect balance. now perhaps you have not played the original resident evil as much as some people, but if you do you will realize it has this perfect balance. remake tampers with it and adds things that mess with the way it flows, so these additional elements are things cited as potential things to blame but in reality it’s not one or all of those things: it’s an indescribable thing that happened: it looks way better, but it plays strangely off and doesn’t have the magic touch. and that magic touch is more important to why i say remake is inferior because the original has it, it feels just right, it’s the exact length it should be, the enemies are placed just right, the difficulty and the puzzles etc. all fall perfectly into place. remake is off. just take any classic game you think is perfect and imagine someone tinkering with it and adding things and updating the graphics, and you may be able to imagine what i’m saying and understand that i am being sincere here. adding things does not always make it play better. i have talked to people at game conventions who agree with me and have friends who’ve had similar arguments with younger gamers over re4 remake over its original. i know that isn’t the same thing just trying to point to an example where disagreement exists among fans. to you it seems like there is such universal acceptance that remake of the first game being better but for me i’ve known people since the release of its remake who felt like i do: it lost something in a way where that perfect balance is gone and it’s the lesser game.

[Anonymous No.10702096]

>>10701968
>There is no semantic difference between "I like X more than Y" and "X is better than Y".
There is. One declares an argument, the other doesn't. The first flatly concedes any argument and admits it is purely based on personal preference. The latter argues that it has superior qualities that should appeal to the majority or to neutral observation. There is a difference in those statements. I don't give a shit if someone says they personally love RE1 more than REmake. Stating that RE1 is a better game than REmake is wrong and not supported by any statistics, evidence, or observation.

>Appealing to some imagined objective standard
It's not an imagined objective standard. It is quite literally humanity as collective observers who would all broadly and almost unanimously make the same observations. When it is that overwhelmingly obvious, it is enough that exact "watertight criteria" is completely unnecessary and insisting on such is disingenuous retardation. You can stuff your head up your own ass as hard as you want and demand exact measurements if you want, but I'm just going to laugh at your bad argument autism.

>Desert Bus is a worse game than Super Mario 64
>Umm, EXCUSE ME, can you MEASURE that!? I didn't think so! Until further notice, they're equal!
This is you. This is how retarded you are.

[Anonymous No.10702097]

>>10697665
Fair enough. Theres plenty of instances of overly ambitious designs that had to be cut back but probably wouldn't have worked anyway. Very few of these would go on to be implemented by the same team going back to do a remake before it's become a hackneyed concept. In the case of re make, probably the zombie chained to the ceiling is the best real example of this for me. It came off as a predictable setpiece that clashed with the otherwise more serious atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.10702106]

>>10697362
This game and Alien Isolation are peak survival horror from the last 25 years.

RE2 2019 was the only thing that came close to them

[Anonymous No.10702107]

>>10702096
You are confusing 2 different anons in your post.
This is you. That is how retarded you are.

How can anyone get BTFOd this much and keep pretending absolutely everyone is not laughing at them?

[Anonymous No.10702114]

>>10702107
>Ha, jokes on you, it's two different retards with the same arguments! You can't tell them apart on an anonymous image board? Gottem!
Wow, you really got me anon. And now I'm in such a pickle. There might be as many as THREE retarded dipshits in this thread who disagree with me. Anything but that!

[Anonymous No.10702115]

>>10702096
>It is quite literally humanity as collective observers who would all broadly and almost unanimously make the same observations.
Are you trying to say you’ve measured humanity as a whole and know for certain that everyone prefers REmake. Human beings can’t even agree on whether providing people with food and housing is a good thing, you think you have statistical evidence to measure the objective truth that one video game is superior to another? LOL. The cope is unreal. By the way, Desert Bus versus Super Mario 64 is a strawman. We’re talking about a game and its remake, where both have been highly rated and considered classics. This bears no resemblance to these ridiculous Desert Bus and Mona Lisa strawman arguments you’re bringing. You keep saying you aren’t using strawman arguments or aren’t fallacious but throughout the thread you lack logic and keep resorting to appeals to these standards that don’t exist. Polling people is not how you justify a claim of objective truth that a game is superior. There is no scientific way to prove a movie is better or a game or a country. We have preferences. All that can be argued in the case of RE vs REmake is which do you prefer and why, because it’s not possible to measure objective superiority. This an opinion debate, there are no facts or evidence when talking about people’s opinions. People’s feelings as to why they like something can’t be measured. You can poll people to get a number of favorability. But you’ll never reach objective truth. That’s why you debate opinion. It’s an endless debate over preference. In ten years, the poll may shift and REmake may have a much lower number and the original may be preferred. This happens all the time with art.

[Anonymous No.10702117]

One of those you quoted expressed no disagreement with you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10702120]

>>10702115
>Are you trying to say you’ve measured humanity as a whole and know for certain that everyone prefers REmake.
No, and I don't need to. I did not say "everyone". I did not say "every last person on the planet". My sentence specifically says "almost unanimously". Learn how statistics work. Why the fuck is this now like the third person in this thread who has now said that you must sample every last person in an entire population in order to infer anything? Fucking christ this board is filled with actual idiots. Are you all high school dropouts or something?

[Anonymous No.10702123]

>>10697362
Bring yourself back to 2002. This game had a photorealistic quality to it and was amazing PR for the GameCube which was struggling against PS2 and Xbox.
The high resolution pre rendered backgrounds mixed with the (for the time) super high poly models and real time shadows really looked a generation ahead. I remember everyone going crazy for the remake and how good it looked. Looking at screenshots of it in gaming magazines was impressive indeed. My best friend at the time was fascinated with it but didn’t actually want to play it because it was too real looking.
It looks so good that you can just upscale it for PS4 and ship it as a new game and still have people talking about how great it looks, which is exactly what they did.
A 21 year old remake of a then six year old game sincerely future-proofed it. It also really speaks to how game graphics technology plateaued around the mid 2000s.
Visually it’s an unbelievable increase in fidelity and it’s insane to think that the original RE and RE ‘cube were only six years apart. What a time for gaymen.

[Anonymous No.10702132]

>>10702120
your claim that you know what “quite literally all of humanity” would “almost unanimously” do or say in any case implies you have access to literally all of humanity in order to find out what they’d almost unianimously conclude. it’s your claim, not mine.

[Anonymous No.10702134]

>>10702115
With respect anon, some are sufficiently articulate and self aware as to recognise the basis of even profound emotive responses, at least in some situations.

Obviously you are wasting your time here with the logical tack though. You get it or you don't. Other anon probably never will agree with you and clearly hasn't been to law school.

[Anonymous No.10702136]

>>10702115
If you sat down 1000 random people who had never played either game before right now and asked them which game was the better game, the result would be obvious and overwhelming. You can try to argue otherwise, but you'd be wrong. Yes, both games are well liked, and yet overwhelmingly the consensus has been "I enjoy the jank of the original, but REmake is a better game" or "I personally like RE1 more but REmake is definitely a better made product".

Only on this autism filled tiny corner of the internet is there a pack of retards with enough of a contrarian streak that they've felt the need to now throw in their lot with the jank ass unpolished original as "the better game" because their faggot autism demands it. There is no shift in attitudes broadly among the RE fanbase; they all consider REmake the better game and there is no real debate. It's only in this autism retard corner that claims otherwise and they have to rely on obviously petty and flimsy reasons for not liking it, or they're total retards that apparently think the original was supposed to be campy(these people never played it at release. It was widely considered scary and the campyness was only attributed to it in retrospect).

In other words, you're all stupid faggots trying too hard to be unique. REmake is the better game. Live with it, or continue to be a rainbow haired hipster trying to stand out.

[Anonymous No.10702140]

>>10702132
We have access to literally tens of thousands of opinions from Resident Evil fans condensed on the internet. Their sample is representative of the RE fanbase in its entirety. Whereas this thread filled with a handful of contrarian retards is just representative of nitpicking autism brainrot.

[Anonymous No.10702148]

>>10698271
/vr/ we are finding so many plotholes in the Resident Evil plot!

[Anonymous No.10702153]

>>10702140
A favorability number based on popularity on the internet is not objective truth as anon claims it is, it’s an opinion poll of subjective preference. You’re stretching one claim into territory where it doesn’t fit, it doesn’t matter how many people you poll because objective truth is a fixture whereas opinions change over time.

[Anonymous No.10702160]

>>10698260
Resident Evil as a series has always been chock full of ridiculous death traps and mildly stupid puzzle locks ever since the first games, yet OP gets hung up on the realism of some fucking candles.

>People need to collect and arrange colored gems and look for secret keys to go to work every morning, but HEY NOW, who's been lighting these candles? Immersion fucking RUINED!

[Anonymous No.10702167]

>>10702153
>A favorability number based on popularity on the internet is not objective truth as anon claims it is
It is representative of the Resident Evil consumer base. You have no way around this and you are trying hard to weasel out of it but you can't. There's no such thing as objective truth anyways but I don't want to get into that argument with your retarded ass. What matters is that among the entirety of consumers that play Resident Evil, they nearly unanimously agree that REmake is a better game even if they don't personally like it as much as RE1. You can't get around this because it's just the simple reality of things.

[Anonymous No.10702172]

>>10702167
You have stated repeatedly in this thread that it’s objectively true and that you have statistics and evidence that backs it up. >>10701986
>It's objectively inferior
Just one example. I’ve read the thread. You aren’t fooling anyone who can read.

[Anonymous No.10702178]

>>10702172

[Anonymous No.10702186]

>>10702167
>among the entirety of consumers that play Resident Evil, they nearly unanimously agree that REmake is a better game even if they don't personally like it as much as RE1
Until you get off the copium you may not realise some you are arguing with probably agree that, on balance, remake is better. It's the bloody minded stupidity of insisting of this opinion being near unanimous. There is only one poll I can find on this and of just under 250 respondents the results is close to but below 60% in favour of remake. Far from conclusive, but absolutely not helping you.

[Anonymous No.10702194]

>>10702172
Lmao.
Clearly you can't read, ESL. That's unambiguously referring to the Mona Lisa being objectively inferior. Geeeeeeeeeeezus

[Anonymous No.10702208]

>>10702186
>It's the bloody minded stupidity of insisting of this opinion being near unanimous.
It's just so very obvious. There is no significant number of people that genuinely think the original RE1 is a better crafted game than the remake. Nostalgia is just very powerful for people, so I do expect a fair number of people to personally prefer the original. I do not expect anyone but absolute retards or nostalgia junkies to claim the original is the better game.

It's been the thing that has overwhelmingly been expressed for DECADES now. DECADES. That REmake is superior. If we actually tested people who had never touched either game and thus never had nostalgia for the original, the result is so fucking obvious. I don't understand all this pissing around and pretending this is HONESTLY in question. It's just not. You guys are just stubborn retards and want to disagree with me and insist this is more questionable than it is.

[Anonymous No.10702221]

>>10702208
>It's just so very obvious.
Face it, anon. This is the best you have to go on and what little evidence there is does not go your way in terms of the number that prefer the original vs remake. Flat earthers meet this same kind of stubborn resistance. Wonder why?

[Anonymous No.10702234]

>>10702221
I could compile decades of posts discussing the matter, conduct polls about it, perform experiments, and compile all the opinions expressed in the RE community, but I genuinely don't feel that's necessary. Both because it's already overwhelmingly obvious and because even if I compiled all of that, you retards would still rail against it because you're contrarian dipshits.

If I actually had some doubt in my mind how the very vast majority of the population views both games, I would maybe be interested. But the only people who even push back on this idea are the most contrarian retarded faggots on the planet(You).

Also...
>what little evidence there is does not go your way in terms of the number that prefer the original vs remake.
That was never my argument you illiterate retard. I explicitly stated in my post that I fully expect a reasonable number of people to prefer the original over the remake. I'm one of them. That has nothing to do with the argument here about what game is actually better.

[Anonymous No.10702438]

>>10701968
>Evaluative terms are inescapably grounded in preference
true but we can still explore why these preferences exist

[Anonymous No.10702573]

>>10697362
Literally every single facet of this game was improved over the original. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around what retarded autists think the original did better.

Combat is better
Voice acting is better
Graphics are better
Atmosphere is better
Inventory management is better
Pacing is better
Story is better
Boss fights are better
Controls are better

[Anonymous No.10702756]

>>10697362
>Add and change a bunch of stuff to align with later games
>STILL can't get the canon ending where Chris, Jill, Rebecca, and Barry escape together

[Anonymous No.10702757]

>>10702573
heard the same thing from people when metal gear solid: twin snakes released on gamecube, how it updated it to 2’s graphics and playstyle so how could anyone go back to shitty ps1 graphics of the original. i still hear that from zoomers today that they refuse to play that one because it’s too old. all you’re talking about is a cosmetic overhaul. the original resident evil still plays perfectly. the remake does not play the same and it’s not improving in the feeling of how it plays, i’m sorry if you don’t know videogames well enough to feel the difference. everything in the original game was precisely right as though it had been playtestef to perfection and revisiting it for year after year and playing it 25 times the game has not lost that perfect balance. the remake just doesn’t have it, sorry. you can say better better better all day long but it doesn’t have that sweet spot in gaming that makes an evergreen classic.

[Anonymous No.10702764]

>>10701764
>>10701801
>I'm not attentive or analytical enough to understand your criticism, so instead of trying I'm just going to suggest you're deliberately trolling or there's something wrong with you
NTA by the way, I just find this reaction to criticism of REmake baffling and slightly concerning

[Anonymous No.10702768]

>>10701826
>clearly inferior
It's not though
They're both good, they're different
Like OP I prefer the original

[Anonymous No.10702772]

>>10701863
>This isn't meaningfully up for debate.
I can't support my position so I'm just going to say it can't be debated and any attempt to do so is automatically invalidated

[Anonymous No.10702792]

PS2 babies got mad since they never played this remake on their console

[Anonymous No.10702803]

>>10702573
>Combat is better
How?
>Voice acting is better
>Story is better
'Improved' just enough to become boring and lose the charm, without ever becoming good; this is a downgrade
>Graphics are better
Definitely
>Atmosphere is better
By virtue of the graphics and backgrounds being better, sure, but debatable in that it was changed significantly
>Inventory management is better
How? There are more puzzle items to carry, you need to carry oil (and a lighter as Jill) and Jill can no longer use the lockpick instead of the sword key. Not saying you're wrong but I'd like you to explain it.
>Pacing is better
Early game is bottlenecked by the extra corridor, arrowhead, and crypt, Lisa sections slow the game down, Aqua Ring takes longer
>Boss fights are better
How? I don't remember them being much different, maybe I'm wrong. Yawn could be bullshit in the origiinal.
>Controls are better
In some ways, considering the quick turn and not being stunlocked by zombies anymore, but from memory the characters control more languidly than they did in the original.

[Anonymous No.10702807]

>>10702792
>PS2 babies got mad since they never played this remake on their console
Just what we need, console war morons shitting up the thread with their obsession

[Anonymous No.10702845]

>>10702807
>he doesn't know all the REmake haters are just console warriors

[Anonymous No.10702850]

>>10702845
>haters
Saying it's a great game but doesn't improve on the original isn't hating
>console warriors
Had a PS1/PS2 with RE and Gamecube with REmake, and prefer the original still

[Anonymous No.10702852]

>>10702845
utter nonsense, and if you read the thread nobody is saying they *hate* the remake. it just doesn’t replace the original and it isn’t this infallible masterpiece. it’s an excellent game but the original game is still the better overall experience of re1.

[Anonymous No.10702909]

>>10702106
Think I'd have to agree. Kinda sad, innit?

[Anonymous No.10702927]

>>10702852
That's exactly how you know they zoom. Any expressed lack of preference is perceived as hate.

[Anonymous No.10703095]

>this was improvement in atmosphere
do REmake people ever critically think?

[Anonymous No.10703102]

>>10703095
I guess some people have different taste

[Anonymous No.10703146]

>>10697362
A quick look at the top left corner should tell you why

[Anonymous No.10703158]

>>10703095
They're the kind of people who think aesthetic and atmosphere are the same thing. All I see is a generic haunted house with washed out colors. I didn't grow up with either game, so no bias here

[Anonymous No.10703203]

Broke: Noticing the lit candles everywhere
Woke: Noticing the thunderstorm stops every time you leave the mansion

[sage No.10703209]

>>10702764
it's not baffling, it's just recognizing a bias nostalgia fag. it's an amazing game and if you want a barebones forerunner of survival horror then play RE1 but anyone saying it's much better is screaming for attention

[Anonymous No.10703220]

>>10703209
>much better
exactly zero posters itt said that. all anyone is saying is that remake isn’t an improvement. for me it nothing to fo with nostaligia, i could accuse you of preferring the remake for being the shiny new version. the original game is just a better experience. forerunner for survival horror? it is 100% survival horror. a forerunner would be something that preceded it.

[Anonymous No.10703225]

>>10702803
>Aqua Ring takes longer
I don't know who thought it was a good idea to remove the crates after the water drains. It turns using the V Jolt from a quick detour into a slog through a bunch of empty rooms and loading screens. It would have been fine if there were some new enemies or hazards or practically anything down there other than completely empty space.
The literal forced walking sequence in the Lab is a close second as far as stupid design decisions go. I guess someone played Castlevania 64 and thought carrying the Nitro around was really fun and worth copying.

[Anonymous No.10703403]

>>10698267
Not that guy but that's an interesting genre I never really thought about
>Sci Fi platformers
Yeah, I think you might be right on your take. But Metroid is the better exploration platformer.

[Anonymous No.10703424]

>>10697362
It's fine as a novelty but it's not a replacement for the original. None of the remakes are.
I feel bad for people who get tricked into playing this first. The only way to play through the franchise is release order, you will get the best experience. The PS1 trilogy has aged fine, they're not difficult enough for the tank controls to matter all that much. It doesn't require precision because you get a lock-on button, the only thing you might have to do is occasionally point up or down.

[Anonymous No.10703603]

>>10703095
I like both in different ways.

[Anonymous No.10703718]

>>10703603
I hate black people. So Re5 really speaks to me.

[Anonymous No.10704824]

>>10697520
>the origin game was perfect
No, it was too easy. Not that the remake is difficult at all, but at least it puts up a fight.

[Anonymous No.10705667]

>>10697392
based

[Anonymous No.10706513]

>>10697362
I think they’re both really great, but the REmake comes with tradeoffs. It’s a gorgeous game with an unmatched atmosphere, but the added puzzles and items slows the pacing down a ton. The original is relatively snappy in pacing, but the remake will have you shuffling items around a lot more. It’s a much harder game, but feels like a bit more work to play.

I love the addition of Crimson Heads. It helps the whole mansion feel less predictable and more alive.

[Anonymous No.10707091]

>>10706513
Same here anon, REmake is a tradeoff where you gain in one area and lose elsewhere, but the Crimson Heads are a straight up excellent edition. They add menace and mechanical depth to a game that's already heavy on routing and resource/inventory management.

[Anonymous No.10707092]

>>10707091
addition*
fuck

[Anonymous No.10707246]

>>10706513
>>10707091
It's interesting you both like them, see I resented them exactly for the extra work they introduce. They absolutely add a new level of 'in world' challenge/strategy. I suppose I just wish for another more permanent way to deal with them beside burning. That was probably the point of adding them though.

[Anonymous No.10707289]

>>10702106
>>10702909
Absolute delusion
Silent Hill 1/2/3/4 are better
So are the Fatal Frame games

[Anonymous No.10707291]

>>10703095
They both are great

[Anonymous No.10707472]

The original is more fun to play and has better map flow. Don't care for the evilmaxxed zombies either and would prefer if they hadn't messed with the shotgun headshot odds in order to facilitate their goofy lamp oil system.

[Anonymous No.10707507]

>>10706513
This. I really would not want a world without either of them.

[Anonymous No.10707518]

>>10707091
Anyone ever made a romhack to add Crimson Heads to one of the original PSX versions? Like, maybe not that tomb in the garden, but just how zombies who weren't burned or headsploded will eventually mutate into Crimson Heads.

Maybe they'd gradually change appearance over time, until complete and ready to pounce on you.

>>10707246
If you headshot them so their head explodes, they won't get up again. You can also blow them up with grenades, or use incendiary grenades.
I think the acid grenades are also supposed to work. You'll know that it works because their body will despawn after you leave the room.

When they have mutated and are ready to attack they will also subtly move slightly when on the ground, just small fidgeting movements, so eye the bodies carefully.
Personally, I do a round around the mansion hallways where I kill wandering zombies and then torch them if I didn't headshot them, just to clear the pathways.

[Anonymous No.10707750]

>>10707518
this adds so much work and kills the flow of the game. most of what remake adds is work, for no reason

[Anonymous No.10707921]

>>10707750
You don't even have to do it if you just wanna hurry, just the shotgun is pretty good at taking them.

[Anonymous No.10707931]

>>10707750
This. It drags what used to be such a clean and straightforward experience. Still great in its own way but the original is the greatest game ever made d@m.

[Anonymous No.10707938]

>>10707921
it’s not about wanting to hurry, it’s about the bullshit that remake adds that amounts to tedium.

[Anonymous No.10707945]

>>10707289
>Absolute delusion
>proceeds to be absolutely delusional

[Anonymous No.10708092]

This timeloop thread is putrid garbage. OP should be ashamed for this pathetic display at posting.

[Anonymous No.10708816]

>>10707289
I love Silent Hill 2 and 3 in particular, but Alien Isolation improves on them both technically and thematically, as well as through minute to minute gameplay. It is very ironic to me that a licensed game based on a movie from 1979 gave me the most realistic, immersive sense of what a survival horror situation would feel like.

[Anonymous No.10709059]

>>10707750
I would have just had Crimson Heads mixed in with regular zombies like the super zombies from the Director's Cut. You could even randomize it a little bit so they don't spawn in the same places every time.

[Anonymous No.10709174]

>>10697772
>>10697813
>>10697868
Wesker's cleanup was the mission with STARS, where he was assigned to dispose of everything there, use STARS to collect combat data, and then destroy the facility. He hadn't been to the mansion in weeks if not months by that point, and why on Earth would he light candles instead of bringing flashlights?
I'll admit this candle critique is mostly an aesthetic quibble, but just lying and making up something this retarded will convince nobody.
>>10697625
>REmake is textbook "developers original intentions had the hardware been ready".
No it's not. That is a lie.
REmake was developed mostly by staff brought on during or after RE2's development. Of the key staff involved in RE1, only Shinji Mikami returned. Key staff includes
>Fujiwara
Who proposed the initial concept for RE1, did scouting for staff, made the game it was based on in Sweet Home for the famicom, and was reported to be integral to early planning.
>Hideki Kamiya
Did much of the game's storyboarding and working on the opening movie, in addition to being so involved in early planning that he was the man who named Chris Redfield.
>Kenichi Iwao
Wrote all the iconic aspects of the game and basically, according to Mikami, directed the project while he was on it. The reason he left Capcom was literally because Mikami forced him off the game because he was doing too much of the "director's work". Unsurprisingly, Iwao would go to work on another pseudo-SF game, Parasite Eve.

Anyways, REmake isn't even what the devs initially wanted. Almost all of its additions weren't present in early planning, namely Lisa Trevor, who is an invention purely of the REmake. The lab being under the mansion? REmake. The cabin and the caves expansions? REmake.
Wanna know what was originally planned?
>First Person
>Much larger Guardhouse environment, comparable to mansion
>two other mansion sized areas
>Lake
>Tower
>Larger labs
Just off the top of my head.
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.10709189]

>>10699924
>(graphics, mood, voice acting, gameplay smoothness, burnable corpses)
They didn't intend for the mansion to look the way it does in the remake. Go back to early mock ups, like the famous first person one, and the game still uses bright colours.
There also wasn't anything stopping them from using dark backgrounds, there's some in the game. The courtyard paths, the candle room, the secret room in the library, I don't get this meme that for some reason they couldn't make the screen darker for atmosphere.
As for voice acting, "they" really just means Mikami here. And the voice acting in the original is actually completely what he wanted- he told the voice director what to do essentially and it pissed off everyone else working on the game. REmake's voice acting has a lot of the same issues as RE1's as well, except with a lot of the performances being even duller, don't know where people get off acting like it's a marked improvement. RE2, 3, and yes, CV, have better voice acting than 1 and REmake.

[Anonymous No.10709196]

>>10697790
>By reviewers. Not the fanbase.
Most fans I knew back then liked it. A lot of the recent criticisms you see for it were the type of shit you'd get bullied for on forums, like crying about the tyrant boss fights.

[Anonymous No.10709205]

>>10697979
>To Japanese RE fans, it has always been straight horror because the English voices sound good to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EtfJdQ3Gfk

[Anonymous No.10709223]

>>10709205
Was this supposed to prove something or did you just want to post me funny meme?

[Anonymous No.10709228]

>>10702573
>Combat is better
It factually isn't. The hunters are nerfed in their difficulty, the exploration and survival aspect is cut down thanks to the inclusion of several shortcuts (as well as herb gardens), self defense items are plentiful enough with around 10-13 daggers, 8-13 grenades, and 9-13 battery packs. Even if you miss half of these, that's close to 10 get out of jail free cards against zombies, the most common enemy.
The game also has more diversions that are just that- diversions. Run in a straight line and then run all the way back (the Lisa areas are just this to fill time).
>Voice acting is better
That's debatable. The voice acting is still bad in REmake, nobody is emoting or truly acting, Jill's VA in particular sounds coked out of her mind.
>Graphics are better
Yes, it is a gamecube game.
>Atmosphere is better
Debatable.
>Inventory management is better
How? They added in more item boxes to the caves, neutering the challenge there, which was to get through using just what you brought in with you, or run all the way back to switch stuff out. The return to the mansion removes any strategic thinking when it basically presents key items to you in a linear fashion and loops you right into both save rooms, it's handholding.
>Pacing is better
Absolutely not, shit like the cabin, running back to the main hall to access the labs, and wasting more time in the caves make the game dull to go through.
>Story is better
How? In what way?
>Boss fights are better
Yawn is made infinitely easier by removing the barrier, t-002 is far less aggressive (as are most enemies), Lisa Trevor is a complete joke not even worth talking about, Crimson Head Elder is just CV's doctor zombie stuffed into REmake, so... how is it better?
>Controls are better
Same controls.

[Anonymous No.10709231]

>>10709223
Japanese people take the piss out of how the characters talk too. I know retards spread this idea that acting in a foreign language is undecipherable, but people can tell when the acting is bad or silly.

[Anonymous No.10709239]

It's apples and oranges from the original. It's a very good game on its own merits, but also very different from RE1.

[Anonymous No.10709240]

>>10709231
They weren’t making fun of their voices in that video. You obviously don’t understand Japanese memes. Also, modern Japanese understand English a little better compared to fans in 1995. If you’re insinuating that they could always tell the voices were bad and thought they were campy, you’re wrong and deluded. They can’t tell bad English VAs any more than Americans can discern Japanese VA quality.

[Anonymous No.10709247]

>>10709240
>They weren’t making fun of their voices in that video. You obviously don’t understand Japanese memes.
They're using the silliness of the vocal inflections to parody various popular vocaloid songs and anime OPs. This is more common with over the top vocal performances, like with Paragus in Dragon Ball or Ichijou in Kaiji, where the performances are intentionally done in that way, but here it's just because it sounds silly. You can tell something sounds silly without knowing the language- that's why most of the key staff that weren't Mikami fucking hated the English voice acting and why Kamiya was so excited to have an actual voice acting studio for RE2.

[Anonymous No.10709249]

>>10709228
Why even make a post this long if you’re going to say something biased and fucking dumb enough that you’re arguing the voice acting quality is similar in both games? It just outs you as a certified idiot that nobody should listen to.

[Anonymous No.10709254]

>>10709247
It’s something that is done with all popular works. It doesn’t have to sound funny or off. None of the comments are saying the voice acting is bad. They’re just saying how cool the video is and laughing at the sentence mixing. Why are you trying to sell this obvious lie that they can discern voice quality in a language they don’t understand? This is a well documented phenomenon that people can’t gauge authenticity nuance in other languages.

[Anonymous No.10709260]

>>10709249
>if you’re going to say something biased and fucking dumb enough that you’re arguing the voice acting quality is similar in both games?
They both have bad voice acting, just for different reasons. RE1 has very over the top voice acting, while REmake has voice acting with basically no tonal inflection or emotion whatsoever. Two sides of the same coin essentially.

[Anonymous No.10709267]

>>10709254
>This is a well documented phenomenon that people can’t gauge authenticity nuance in other languages.
Yeah, by idiots like you armchair analyzing to justify watching wank material anime with a dub.

[Anonymous No.10709273]

>>10709249
how can one even make their opinion known with showing bias. duh. of course anon is biased. it’s a detailed refutation of the earlier post which was totally biased saying everything is better. why aren’t you calling that post biased?

[Anonymous No.10709276]

>>10709247
The weird thing about RE1 is that Rebecca and Chris were voiced by sort of professionals if I remember right. Rebecca's actress did a bunch of voice work and Chris's was a radio DJ on a big station. Yet they're just as bad as the randoms who voiced some of the other characters. Maybe it was just terrible direction.

[Anonymous No.10709278]

>>10709267
You’re the dumbass armchair weeb here, idiot. You’re trying to argue Japanese have the magical power to judge foreign voice acting quality in a language they don’t understand. Something no group of people is capable of doing. Your evidence for this is you saw a funny Resident Evil meme online. You’re a dumbass and not worth responding to.

[Anonymous No.10709281]

>>10709228
>Run in a straight line and then run all the way back (the Lisa areas are just this to fill time).
One of my least favorite aspects of REmake. The whole Lisa section is wank that adds nothing. It seems like they just wanted to have something new in there and didn’t put any real time into it. All that it does is slow the game down. It’s not developed into anything really interesting.

[Anonymous No.10709286]

>>10709276
Nta but considering how lines were enunciated I have a feeling they were told to say them the way Japanese people speaking english would say it.

[Anonymous No.10709301]

>>10709278
>You’re trying to argue Japanese have the magical power to judge foreign voice acting quality in a language they don’t understand.
Everyone does. This isn't exclusive to Japanese people, anyone with ears can understand acting, tone and vocal emotions are the universal language.
Resident Evil's voice acting is silly. Japanese people know its silly. French people, German people, Spanish people, they all know its silly too, because nobody from any region talks the way the characters in RE1 talk.

[Anonymous No.10709310]

God you’re fucking dumb. I’m not even going to dignify that with a (You). Anon knows better than and disagrees with those that study language for a living. After all, he saw a meme online.

[Anonymous No.10709315]

>>10709301
if you don’t understand the language and thereby have no clue what’s even being said, you can’t judge whether it’s appropriate reaction. you’re defending the indefensible. have you even played the original re, dude? do you even comprehend what’s goofy about the voice acting?

[Anonymous No.10709339]

>>10709276
Chris was voiced by Scott McCulloch. He also voiced Richter in SOTN and did a bunch of other random roles in various games. The last thing he worked on were the vocals on this album not long before he died in a traffic accident. RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUykUdjrBsc

[Anonymous No.10709340]

>>10709315
>if you don’t understand the language and thereby have no clue what’s even being said, you can’t judge whether it’s appropriate reaction.
Judging acting has nothing to do with ability to understand what is being said. That's judging the script.
>do you even comprehend what’s goofy about the voice acting?
The script is also goofy, but what is being explicitly mocked is how the actors say their lines. Their overacting, their pitch shifts that sound hilarious, shit like that.

[Anonymous No.10709341]

What is it about this series that makes its fans so goddamn bitchy about every little aspect of it on a level not really seen outside of the Pokemon fanbase? Everything is just "no that thing you like, it's actually SHIT" from every angle with no one in the entire fanbase safe from being considered fake fans by someone's definition.

[Anonymous No.10709342]

>>10709310
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>I STUDY LANGUAGES
Cool, you clearly don't know shit about acting which has nothing to do with that.

[Anonymous No.10709348]

>>10709340
>Judging acting has nothing to do with ability to understand what is being said.
it most certainly does because without knowing the words, there’s no way to tell whether it’s appropriate reaction. it’s not so terrible unless you know what they’re saying should come off more naturally and their delivery is missing it. it’s a fine line that a person who can’t understand the language could easily mistake as appropriate.

[Anonymous No.10709349]

>>10709341
Because RE has reinvented itself more times than the fucking Beatles and each time it's so radically different from what they were doing before. But it's not like they do the new thing badly, but people who already like the old thing don't want the new thing, they want more of the old thing. And people who like the new thing probably couldn't get into the series with the old thing because it wasn't their cup of tea. And because this is the internet there's no point in just saying you agree to disagree.

[Anonymous No.10709359]

>Language has nothing to do with acting
I truly want to believe this dude is merely pretending to be retarded but it’s obvious he’s just a standard low IQ autist that got caught in his own stupid “gotcha” that he thought was clever and now he’s stuck indefinitely doubling down on his stupidity because he can’t admit he was wrong about something. It’s genuinely funny watching him try to scramble and justify his stupidity. I’m just going to spectate this train wreck.

[Anonymous No.10709406]

>>10709349
>But it's not like they do the new thing badly
played re3 remake?

[Anonymous No.10709408]

>>10709406
I did, and it's bad, but it was just bad execution using the formula of something that was good (RE2make)

[Anonymous No.10709425]

>>10709408
so the entire point you made here
>>10709349
you just refuted. unless you’re granting yourself special powers in judgment jo others have, there is no re cult, there is the same criticism you’re capable of meaning you’re not exempt from the critique you level at others in having strong opinions about games

[Anonymous No.10709438]

>>10709425
All I said was the RE fanbase can never decide on what's good because what is a good RE game changes from person to person, me personally not likeing RE3make doesn't change that. You're the one taking a fucking videogame discussion so damn seriously.

[Anonymous No.10709451]

>>10709438
Please ignore him for your own sanity. He’s OP, as well as the idiot spamming RE threads on this board. He’s both retarded and legitimately ESL. He will argue and respond with you endlessly and misinterpret everything you’re saying. He thought you were saying they never made bad remakes. Because he’s stupid.

[Anonymous No.10709452]

>>10709425
>>10709438
Also, it's making the assumption that I'm part of the RE fandom, which I am not. I've played ONE game in the series to completion (5), and it was alright, and played bits of other games, but I have no interest in the series overall. My observation that the fanbase are a bunch of infighting retards as >>10709341 also put it is from the outside perspective looking in. I'm not calling you guys that because I'm the one RE fan who "gets it", I'm calling you guys that as a non-fan seeing how fans act.

[Anonymous No.10709479]

>>10709438
huh it’s almost like you’re admitting there is no monolithic thinking, so what you call a fanbase is made up of indivudals whi have differing opinions. something autists itt have been arguing is an impossibility and that one must adhere to an approval rating lest they be a contrarian
>>10709451
you’re the king of strawman mischaracterization and a lunatic control freak.
>>10709452
there is no consensus in fandom. there is always altering views. even putting the label of fandom upon anyone is a lamr way to lump people together. we’re all individual people, we need no agree. that’s the point of discussion

[Anonymous No.10709492]

>>10709479
>there is no consensus in fandom.
Speaking from the fandom I AM part of, Super Robot Wars, bullshit. There's like 70 games in the series and people agree there's only about 10 good ones with a pretty solid consensus on what those 10 are.
If you asked Star Trek fans what the must-watch episodes of TOS/TNG/DS9 are, they will all give you a list that looks really similar with a few outliers, and they will all say that if you say ST5 or ST Nemesis is good then you're a fucking contrarian looking for attention.

If people didn't have similar tastes then they wouldn't gravitate towards the thing at all or worse, the work would be so bland and inoffensive that it has "a little something for everyone" like pop music.

[Anonymous No.10709494]

>>10709359
>>10709348
> there’s no way to tell whether it’s appropriate reaction.
Doesn't matter. Acting conveys emotions, words are just a vehicle to more easily understand the context. Studying language won't make you any more knowledgeable in the field of acting, let alone what necessitates good acting. There's a reason you can find people who only know English, posting about how silly certain Spanish dubs of Dragon Ball Z are- because you can tell between languages when acting is just bad.
Viewing it purely as just words is proof enough that neither of you have any idea what you're talking about. There are plenty of examples of acting delivered through even made up language, yet what is being conveyed by the actor is still understandable (Gravity Rush for example, uses a completely made up language, and you can still tell that the acting is good due to its conveyance of tone and emotions in the voice, which is the key part of acting).
As for "appropriate reaction", that matters in the case of slight overacting, like a character making a big deal out of spilt milk, but the acting in RE1 is noticeably bad because of how over the top or off sounding every line delivery in the game tends to be. As proof that acting has nothing to do with language, the remake has acting that is just as bad, but because it's bad in the reverse, where the characters are all sounding like they're just reading from a script, it isn't as noticeable to the average viewer. It just sounds like a bunch of tired office workers around a water cooler, which sounds semi-normal despite how poorly it works within the game.
RE1, no matter your language, doesn't sound normal.

[Anonymous No.10709512]

>>10709492
Please do not bother. I already went over the consensus thing with him before. He is going to think you’re saying no dissenting opinions exist because he got offended at being called a contrarian. He is legitimately too stupid to understand this stuff. He quite literally claimed bringing up statistics was an appeal to authority logical fallacy. He will respond to you endlessly with his stupid shit until he gets the last word in. He still responds to every single post of mine even though I won’t reply to him.

Just let it go. He is too retarded.

[Anonymous No.10709515]

>>10697362
i only like the remake because they made jill hotter because i've always been into girls in uniform

[Anonymous No.10709537]

>>10709512
here’s you itt
>>10702208
>It's been the thing that has overwhelmingly been expressed for DECADES now. DECADES. That REmake is superior.
>>10702136
>If you sat down 1000 random people who had never played either game before right now and asked them which game was the better game, the result would be obvious and overwhelming. You can try to argue otherwise, but you'd be wrong. Yes, both games are well liked, and yet overwhelmingly the consensus has been "I enjoy the jank of the original, but REmake is a better game" or "I personally like RE1 more but REmake is definitely a better made product".
>>10697819
>We have a broad sense for how well appreciated each title in the series is among its consumers and REmake is broadly considered very high quality almost unanimously.
>>10699687
>Nobody else seems to find this to be an issue. It isn't even a common complaint. The game has an average playtime of 11 hours. There's nothing wrong with the pacing. I don't feel it's an issue. Now what? It's your word against mine and you have fucking nothing to back up the idea that there's actually a problem because this is not a criticism of the game, it's just a feeling you have.

what was that you said about dissenting opinions because it seems like you have zero tolerance for them and want everyone to bow before the consensus of an approval rating as though it were god

[Anonymous No.10709550]

>>10709494
>he actually took an hour to think up a response after getting BTFO
>couldn’t just take the L on the chin and walk it off
>HAD to try and triple down and save face by slinking back
>”acting is emotion, words only give context”
>”actually, you can tell the voice acting quality of a made up language”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man, thanks for the laughs. I really wish I could make you fully understand what a retard you are by sitting you down in a booth and have you listen to 10 different Nepali voice actors and have you rank their quality and then compare your rankings to those of native speakers. You’d be BTFO so hard. But for now, I’ll just have to laugh at your ignorance and arrogance in a subject you’re completely out of your depth in. Goodnight, retard. Hahaha.

[Anonymous No.10709642]

>>10709341
You'd think RE fans would be calmer considering the games are fun and pretty funny most of the time but they're giving the Silent Hill schizo retards a run for their money lately.

[Anonymous No.10709721]

>>10709231
Quit spreading bullshit, faggot. Capcom is notoriously ashamed about the voice acting in the original after it became clear to them what a joke it was. This is one of the big reasons the original game was "replaced" by REmake.

[Anonymous No.10710062]

>>10709537
lol got em

[Anonymous No.10710109]

RE1 would have been way more entertaining if they dubbed it in Italian. It feels more like a weird Fulci zombie movie than anything.

[Anonymous No.10710113]

>>10709512
He’s right, though. You continually appeal to popularity by bringing up that there’s overwhelming evidence, a majority consensus, a 97% approval rating of the game as a means of statistical proof that REmake is the better game, which is a fallacy. It’s an appeal to presumed authority of a group based on size of the group cited, i.e. the fanbase. You shape your argument based upon polling data. Truth is not democratic. You don’t arrive at truthfulness of your claim that’s clearly, obviously the better game based on ad populum fallacy, regardless of how accurate your statistical data is; a position is not inherently true merely because it is held by a lot of people, not would it be false merely by being held oly by a few. This line of reasoning is fallacious, because popular acceptance of a belief or position does not amount to a justification of that belief. Everybody, or the majority, or most of whom were polled does not equate to truth. Said majority could all be equally stupid. As are you, evidently, by making such a fallacious argument and not realizing it.

[Anonymous No.10710115]

>>10710113
*Typed too fast and made typographical errors. I guess now I get to be called ESL retard as well. Delicious

[Anonymous No.10710131]

>>10710113
Nta but no one actually cares what's "true" or not, especially when it comes to videogames. People will 9/10 times ignore truth if it conflicts with their worldview, human beings are not rational animals and your appeal to logic has little sway hen it comes to fucking videogames of all things.
>if I like it, it's good
>if I don't like it, it's bad
>if the majority likes the thing I like, it means the franchise is on the right path
>if the majority don't like the thing I like, they've been filtered and it's proof the industry is dying
>if the minority likes the thing I like, we're the small group that sees what no one else can see
>if the minority don't like the thing I like, they're contrarians

That is how people online generally think because they aren't communicating face to face and thus there's no social graces. Trying to sound smart about it unironically makes you sound like more of a dipshit no one wants to deal with, and quite frankly if you in an in-person conversation with me talked like how you just posted, I'd probably send my knee into your face over it just so you'd stop. How did people like you survive the arcade era, I wasn't that much of a faggot and I still have scars from knife stitches from back then regardless.

[Anonymous No.10710148]

>>10710131
read the thread. he’s arguing with a guy who is saying it’s settled science that the remake is the superior game and how dare you question a fan poll. making threats to harm someone for having a debate doesn’t make you sound healthy or sane, bro. seek help

[Anonymous No.10710152]

>>10710148
>making threats to harm someone for having a debate doesn’t make you sound healthy or sane, bro.
It's not about having a debate, it's about knowing the social grace to not sound like a dipshit in public. How did you and your friends handle things back in the day when someone acted like a fuckhead?

[Anonymous No.10710162]

>>10710152
>How did you and your friends handle things back in the day when someone acted like a fuckhead?
Not like gangbangers?

[Anonymous No.10710165]

>>10710152
i’m sorry that your turboautist boyfriend got totally btfo by being proven to have a fallacious argument but don’t cry to me about social grace in public on an anonymous bangladeshi kite testing forum

[Anonymous No.10710180]

>>10710165
I haven't even read the thread, I just scrolled down to the bottom and saw that post and all I could think was this was the kind of nonsense that people use to bog down discussion by sounding smart, as if there are any smart posters here. The discussion is irrelevant, once I see someone say something along the lines of "but that's not how truth works" I just instinctively say fuck you.

[Anonymous No.10710221]

Holy shit an Internet Tough Guy threatening to beat people up on 4chan in 2024. I thought they went extinct decades ago. This is like finding a dodo bird in the wild.

[Anonymous No.10710327]

>>10710180
>The discussion is irrelevant
but totally worth hurting someone over? lol wtf bro, go walk it off, you lost the debate. you’re anonymous. it’s words on the internet. you’ll recover

[Anonymous No.10710382]

>>10710327
Yeah maybe.
But no really, I wasn't part of the conversation before, I just saw a post that looked pretentious and had an instinctive need to make a drive-by post against it

[Anonymous No.10710921]

>>10710221
kek

[Anonymous No.10710935]

>>10710113
this was the final straw that broke the autist’s back. he then went into a blind rage at the thought of being proven wrong where others could see.

[Anonymous No.10710982]

>>10710113
He’s not right and all you’re proving is that you’re every bit the idiot that he is in misconstruing my statements and straw manning my arguments. I never committed any logical fallacies and every use of statistics in my posts were relevant and logical.

My original statement: there has been overwhelming consensus among fans for literally decades that REmake is a better game. This is not saying people can’t prefer the original for nostalgia or whatever other reason. It is acknowledging that REmake is the better game from a neutral perspective. The very vast majority of RE fans agree with this assessment. As would ANYONE we tested where we put them both down in front of both games and asked which one was better made. An OVERWHELMING MAJORITY would choose REmake.

You are trying to overstretch my argument to straw man and refute it. I never claimed nobody could prefer the original or try to argue that the original is better. I said they came off as contrarians and fucking retards both because their criticisms were flimsy and because it is overwhelming consensus among both the fandom and would be to any neutral observers we tested that REmake was overwhelming considered superior.

I was never, at any point, trying to say that it is objective truth that REmake is better. I was deliberately clear that I don’t believe in objective truth. I have always used the language overwhelming consensus. It’s not my fault this board is chock full of raging contrarians that consistently go against majority consensus.

[Anonymous No.10711027]

>>10710982
>this board is chock full of raging contrarians that consistently go against majority consensus.
well, we can’t have that now, can we? what will you do about it, tough guy?

[Anonymous No.10711040]

>>10710982
arguing that an overwhelming majority thinks resident evil remake is better is, in fact, ad populum or appeal to majority, which is a logical fallacy. nobody is strawmanning. that’s your own argument. you just made it again. even if you prove there is a consensus, it doesn’t mean the consensus is correct. so you have no argument.

[Anonymous No.10711057]

>>10711040
>arguing that an overwhelming majority thinks resident evil remake is better is, in fact, ad populum or appeal to majority
It objectively isn’t. You should really learn how logical fallacies actually work. I already tried to explain it to you but you’re genuinely too stupid to understand it.

[Anonymous No.10711063]

>>10702234
>I could compile decades of posts discussing the matter, conduct polls about it, perform experiments, and compile all the opinions expressed in the RE community, but I genuinely don't feel that's necessary. Both because it's already overwhelmingly obvious and because even if I compiled all of that, you retards would still rail against it because you're contrarian dipshits.

If I actually had some doubt in my mind how the very vast majority of the population views both games, I would maybe be interested. But the only people who even push back on this idea are the most contrarian retarded faggots on the planet(You).
There’s some doubt. Time to compile decades of posts, conduct polls and perform those experiments. It’s necessary.

[Anonymous No.10711068]

>>10711063
>There’s some doubt
>5 or so shitposting, samefagging, autistic contrarians
There really isn’t

[Anonymous No.10711078]

>>10711068
not liking the doubt based upon your own bias of who is doubting, doesn’t mean you’ve eliminated doubt

[Anonymous No.10711086]

>>10711057
“In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because many people think so.”

also, how can you say it objectively isn’t ad populum when you’ve repeatedly stated you don’t believe in objective truth?

[Anonymous No.10711097]

>>10711086
Because logic is a set of rules that can be used to determine correct and incorrect answers in the same way various math systems are. If you knew anything about logic, you’d already know this. But I’m typing to an idiot. Which is exactly why I’ve avoided responding to you and will now resume doing that while you hopelessly flounder and try to fruitlessly counter everything I type with your brand of retardation.

[Anonymous No.10711103]

>>10710982
>I said they came off as contrarians and fucking retards both because their criticisms were flimsy
these are not flimsy criticisms, they’re strong arguments as to how flawed remake is in comparison to original, whether you like the person making them or not:
>>10709228

[Anonymous No.10711110]

>>10711097
if you truly understand logic, then you must know the argument you make it fallacious. there’s no way around it.

[Anonymous No.10711115]

>>10711097
BTFO. Runs away like a coward. Again.

[Anonymous No.10711119]

>>10711086
But I will spoon feed and over explain one last simple thing since you’re a retard and will keep latching onto your incorrect application of ad populum. Ad populum would be if I argued REmake was a good game because a lot of people said it was good. What I actually argued is an overwhelming majority of people like REmake and provided numbers to back that up. Not a fallacy, idiot. The only other argument I made was related to theoretical gathering of data of people who hadn’t played either game because most reasonable, non-retards here realize people would definitely prefer the REmake overwhelmingly if they’d played neither game before. Really not a controversial take.

Anyways, no more (You)’s. Learn to read and learn what logical fallacies are, retard.

[Anonymous No.10711152]

>>10711119
>Ad populum would be if I argued REmake was a good game because a lot of people said it was good.
you argued it was obviously a better game because the majority said so, which is a distinction without a difference. saying it is superior because a lot of people said so is the same as saying it’s good because a lot of people said it’s good. still ad populum.
>>10710982
>My original statement: there has been overwhelming consensus among fans for literally decades that REmake is a better game.
>because it is overwhelming consensus among both the fandom and would be to any neutral observers we tested that REmake was overwhelming considered superior.
your argument is that the overwhelming majority thinks remake is the better game. how you arrive at that answer is by appealing to a poll and what you claim is consensus. using a favorability poll as proof of your claim: -that remake is the obvious better game- is a logical fallacy. a lot of people saying it’s a better game is not proof that it’s a better game. without resorting to ad populum, you have put forth no argument that it is a better game. calling people contrarian retards for thinking the original is better than the remake is not an argument. that’s as hominem, another logical fallacy.

[Anonymous No.10711204]

OG Resident Evil: 10/10 untouchable forever masterpiece

REmake: 9/10 hamstrung flawed revision

[Anonymous No.10711215]

No, I didn’t. I can only say learn to read so many times. I argued most people obviously considered it a better game, not that it was a better game because the majority of people said so. I am not going to spend my entire afternoon clarifying my arguments for your illiterate ass when you’re just going to fuck up everything I’m saying. My entire argument FROM THE START was about how the community felt, not how I personally felt about the games you idiot.

>your argument is that the overwhelming majority thinks remake is the better game
Yes

>how you arrive at that answer is by appealing to a poll and what you claim is consensus
Yes, by demonstrating the numbers backing up my statements.

>using a favorability poll as proof of your claim: -that remake is the obvious better game- is a logical fallacy
NO, you fucking retard. My claim is that REmake is considered an obviously superior game by most people/most in the fan base. Not that I consider it good or that it is objectively good. It is just obviously and broadly considered the superior game nearly unanimously, regardless of nostalgia or personal preference.

I can’t be any more clear than that. I am so done with you and this thread.

[Anonymous No.10711241]

>>10711215
>My claim is that REmake is considered an obviously superior game by most people/most in the fan base. Not that I consider it good or that it is objectively good. It is just obviously and broadly considered the superior game nearly unanimously
it may be obvious to you but in a comparative poll another anon referenced itt of which game was preferred, remake only got 60% vs original. that’s hardly an overwhelming majority. cite your sources or gtfo. you’ve presented no evidence that there is an overwhelming majority.

[Anonymous No.10711416]

if the evidence of what the OvErWheLMiNg majority of the fanbase thinks is so obvious and clear, it should be a piece of cake to provide sources

[Anonymous No.10711645]

>>10697362
it’s the graphics mainly

[Anonymous No.10711935]

>>10711215
>My entire argument FROM THE START was about how the community felt
You aren't the community mouthpiece anon and
>overwhelming majority
Is a gross overassessment of the sentiment
>done with the thread
Thank the gods. Can we pin this thread as a monument to how a single saefagging autismo single handedly managed to get a bait thread to near 500 posts trying to defend their jellyfish piss of an argument?

[Anonymous No.10711945]

>>10711215 #
>My entire argument FROM THE START was about how the community felt
You aren't the community mouthpiece anon and
>overwhelming majority
Is a gross overassessment of the sentiment
>done with the thread
Thank the gods. Can we pin this thread as a monument to how one samefagging autismo single handedly managed to get a bait thread to near 500 posts trying to defend their jellyfish piss of an argument?

[Anonymous No.10711981]

I started my RE career with REmake, after being too scared of RE2 in 1998 at 10-years-old. I played REmake a good 15-20 times before going back and checking out the original. The original feels harder, and way cheesier. Both games have merit. I like them both.

[Anonymous No.10712450]

>>10709492
>If you asked Star Trek fans what the must-watch episodes of TOS/TNG/DS9 are
>leaves out VOY
savage

[Anonymous No.10712535]

>>10711119
>there has been overwhelming consensus among fans for literally decades that REmake is a better game (...) it is acknowledging that REmake is the better game from a neutral perspective
This implies to me that you think consensus signifies that REmake is better.
>This is not saying people can’t prefer the original
"Prefer" implies that while one can favor the original, there is no objective basis for doing so.
Is that your position?
I skimmed your previous posts and didn't see you state explicitly that consensus indicates REmake's superiority, so I'd like to ask directly what your reasons are for thinking so, if that is indeed your position.

[Anonymous No.10713471]

>>10712535
>I'd like to ask directly what your reasons are for thinking so, if that is indeed your position.
Hoping for a straight answer anon? Better off re-reading the thread imo.

[Anonymous No.10713995]

>>10699450
>Statistics are used constantly in debates. Statistics both related to the feelings of the general population and the consensus of experts. You are such a fucking clueless moron, holy shit.
and those are all logical fallacies when you appeal expert authority, appeal to popularity and use an ad hominem to boot. there is proper use of statistics in a debate. the feelings of the populace and the consensus of experts aren’t among them. they aren’t proof. you haven’t actually provided any statistical data in the entire thread. you just keep repeating that it exists and that it agrees with your conclusion.

[Anonymous No.10714148]

>>10709492
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.10714436]

>>10712535
you won’t get an answer because he’s a disingenuous liar:
>>10699303
>It's clear that everyone that hates the remake is a dumbfuck contrarian that has nothing but meaningless nitpicks to lean on since it's a great game.
>>10699687
>I never said it's great period and for like the 500th fucking time you braindead retard

[Anonymous No.10715024]

>>10709492
Super Robot Wars games all mostly play the same.
Most Star Trek series are all generally about the same shit conceptually, with variance in setting.
Resident Evil has
>6 fixed camera titles primarily focused on item management through limited inventory and with a heavy emphasis on exploration
>5 OTS titles primarily focused on linear action with item management barely being a factor and exploration being at an all time low
>currently 5 "new survival horror" titles varying between first person and OTS, with a focus on exploration though a reduced focus on item management and limited inventory
In addition to
>rail shooters
>early FPS games
>four purely multiplayer games
>a co-op shooter
Among many others. And due to how Capcom makes this series, the general common entrypoints are all over the place. Commonly people start from
>Resident Evil 2 (PSX)
If they're really fucking old.
>Resident Evil 5
If they're 25-30
>Resident Evil 7 or 2 (Remake)
Most new fans.

[Anonymous No.10715312]

>>10715024
i noticed a major batch of new fans from resident evil 4.

[Anonymous No.10715332]

>>10715312
That's honestly a recent thing.
The critical response to RE4 leads to people just playing it (or pretending to play it) and mirroring opinions they've heard before. This in turn leads to genuine interest where people do just seek out that one game, similar to how some people used to only play Devil May Cry 3.
The games that brought in a lot of new people at the time of their releases are the ones I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.10715335]

this thread will still be alive in march
it has been dead for days and op keeps samefagg and bump it from page 10 talking to himself

[Anonymous No.10715352]

>>10715335
>135 IPs

[Anonymous No.10715354]

>>10697362
Yes it is, nigger. The original is obsolete and should never be played again.

[Anonymous No.10715358]

>>10715352
>he doesnt know
it takes 2 seconds to make a new ip newfag

[Anonymous No.10715364]

>>10715358
Yeah, and most people won't be fucking bothered to do that, let alone on a board like /vr/.
Maybe it'd have some merit if we were on /r9k/, /pol/, or /v/ and /vg/, but that's not what happens here.
/vr/ is slow enough for the occasional autist to scroll to the bottom, or if you're like me, you sort by reply count and see what comes up.

[Anonymous No.10715374]

>>10715364
ok faggot im sure the loser re spammer just keeps bumping his dead threads by pure coincidence
whatever you have to tell yourself

[Anonymous No.10715379]

>>10715374
You know, despite going "muh newfag" and whining about bumping, you seem to still be bumping this thread.

[Anonymous No.10715396]

if you read the thread, it’s mostly two people arguing back and forth having a ‘debate’

[Anonymous No.10716562]

>>10697362
>why is this rated so highly?
it looks really gorgeous so ppl have to defend every single problematic element and lose their minds if you suggest a game with inferior graphics is actually better. they WANT it to be superior oh so badly because they don’t want to play the oldet game. many such cases

[Anonymous No.10716571]

Only 2 new IPs? The spammer was right!

[Anonymous No.10718018]

>>10697368

[Anonymous No.10718058]

>>10711215
>My entire argument FROM THE START was about how the community felt
and you presented zero evidence to even show this other than your own feeling that it must be true, let alone define what this so-called community is

[Anonymous No.10718151]

>>10699401
>You literally have no clue what the fuck you're even talking about. What argument did I lose by correctly labeling someone a contrarian and pointing out that their opinion goes against the consensus of over 95% of the people who played the game? I made no appeal to authority you fucking retard. Maybe you should actually learn basic logic and learn what the fuck you're even saying before you post. This is just embarrassing.
Firstly, the correct term wouldn’t be contrarian, it’d be minority if you could prove a majority. You don’t have any proof of a 95% consensus of the people who played the game, that’s virtually impossible. Right there, you’re throwing logic out the window. When you insult your opponent rather than respond, that’s ad hominem which is a logical fallacy and you should know if you understand the laws of logica debate. If you posit your argument as consensus of people, that’s presuming that stack of people have the right opinion, which is appealing to their opinion as having presumed authority by majority: it’s a concoction of ad populum fallacy and appeal to aurhority. Adding another ad hominem by calling your opponent a fucking retard. That’s the sum total of your ‘argument’ which has no basis, it’s just a consortium of fallacies.

[Anonymous No.10718729]

>>10718151
>consortium of fallacies
That's my band name.

[Anonymous No.10719165]

>>10697726
It's new, /vr/ wasn't like this a few years ago. I've just come back and while I like the new definition of "retro" (since I stopped playing new video games after the sixth generation), it seems to have led to an influx of contrarian tastelets from /v/.

[Anonymous No.10719182]

>>10719165
or… resident evil remake was never consider the great classic this thread’s defenders make it out to be. and it was not given perfect scores upon release. it’s perfectly okay to criticise it and it’s not contrarian.

[Anonymous No.10719365]

>wonder why I keep seeing this thread at the top of /vr/ every night
>check out of curiosity
>it is the same guy bumping his own thread every night
>he is just saying the same thing every night to some guy he lost a nerd fight with days ago
>he is so asspained that he has been samefagging and bumping his own thread for days on end
you always know when a thread goes over 300 on this board that powerful sperg wizardry is involved
10/10 thread, would play the superior remake of it

[Anonymous No.10719554]

OG > REmake by a mile
>og had a better color palette. You could go into a different room and each room would look different. In remake everything is the same greysish/green all over the place
>Remake has unnecessary story shit like Lisa Trevor and a "how was the mansion built" that nobody asked for. Game was better when it was simple: "A mansion to hide the horrible lab below"
>speaking of which, why is the mansion in Remake a fucking dilapidated shit hole? It's supposed to be the squeaky clean front just in case anyone comes poking their noses around. Instead it looks like the building department should have it condemned at any minute
>stupid shit like Crimson Heads which only add more backtracking
>shitty voice acting of og gave it endless charm and soul. New acting is "better", but forgettable and lifeless

[Anonymous No.10719593]

>>10719365
I tried joining the 'discussion' at one point and mostly stayed for the spectacle. May have brain damage now. Captcha 0agn

[Anonymous No.10719645]

>>10709189
>the voice acting in the original is actually completely what he wanted
Mikami was right.
Did you ever see an old Italian zombie movie or two? They normally have a certain stiltedness in the dialogue due to how itialians filmed without sound and dubbed everything later. I think that is what he wanted to get and he was right to go for it over the objections of the actors and everyone else as it was a correct artistic move.
Did he get what he was going for? Arguably not. I think its pretty close though.

Here is a typical example:
https://youtu.be/VNd8aL41c5I

[Anonymous No.10720094]

That guy is going to come back with polling data any minute now…….

[Anonymous No.10720837]

>>10697362
>why is this rated so highly?
It isn’t. Release-frame reviews averaged to around 90% with many 8/10 reviews. Remaster reviews average 80%.
Compared to Resident Evil 2 and 4 in particular this is not as highly rated. You asked what is called a loaded question. Time has not been kind to this game and it wilk be remade yet again, bet on that.

[Anonymous No.10720880]

>>10697362
Because it was a great game/remake. The only people who hate this game, hated the oroginal games because they/them got filtered by "tank controls".

[Anonymous No.10720891]

>>10720880
i love tank controls, it’s the preferred way to play survival horror and works great for all the old games including this. and i definitely don’t hate remake. it just sorta isn’t outstanding. re2 and nemesis are much more enjoyable. remake is uninspired.

[Anonymous No.10720948]

>>10720837
>It isn’t. Release-frame reviews averaged to around 90% with many 8/10 reviews. Remaster reviews average 80%.
Those aren't high scores? I would say that an 8 out of 10 rating suggests that a person thinks the game is really damn good.

[Anonymous No.10721013]

REmake is still great in the way that Twin Snakes is still a great game.

[Anonymous No.10721017]

>>10720948
it’s an excellent review but suggests flaws that hold it back from greatness

[Anonymous No.10721114]

>>10697362
Most people had never even played the original RE1 until relatively recently when Playstation emulation became braindead simple and fan patches for the PC versions made it easily accessible. They were just mindlessly parroting the line about it being a flawless remake that replaced the original game without ever playing both to judge for themselves.

[Anonymous No.10722546]

>>10697362
You. Are. Black.

[Anonymous No.10722612]

>>10721114
>Most people had never even played the original RE1 until relatively recently
I was about to call bs but I don't know. Its getting onto 30 years old. Still seems unlikely that's actually right. Emulation has been easy for some time too.

[Anonymous No.10724218]

>>10722612
it’s been on the psn network since 2010. it’s still there but you can’t find it as a psone classic anymore, it’s now considered a ps3 game there. they don’t want it taking away remaster sales

[Anonymous No.10724796]

>>10724218
Without actually knowing the number of emulators and downloads the original RE has been pretty available and famously memed. I get the sense that there are plenty of people out there with a good idea of the differences. Can't say that they are all parroting le flawless remake either, not saying it isn't that anons experience.