Why did they die?

[Anonymous No.10695475]

Why did controllers with 6 face buttons die out?

[Anonymous No.10695483]

>>10695475
they got moved to the shoulders

[Anonymous No.10695515]

Fighting games are niche and arcades are an anachronism at this point

[Anonymous No.10695518]

>>10695483
Which is also better if you aren't a clumsy sausage finger fatty.

[Anonymous No.10695528]

>>10695475
I'd rather use more of my fingers than dedicate 2 more buttons to the same thumb

[Anonymous No.10695578]

Objectively incorrect controller design.

[Anonymous No.10695595]

>>10695483
this

[Anonymous No.10695743]

>>10695483
The N64 controller has two shoulder buttons (L and R) and a trigger (Z) already. Modern controllers have two pairs of shoulder buttons (L1, L2, R1, R2), which is only one extra button there, at the expense of losing two buttons on the front. So, a modern controller is missing an usable button compared to an N64 controller.
The only way to use all buttons when emulating N64 is to map the yellow C buttons to the right stick, and it sucks using an analog stick for something that needs buttons.

[Anonymous No.10695745]

>>10695475
Too much buttons. 4 face buttons is enough.

[Anonymous No.10695793]

>>10695743

[Anonymous No.10695818]

>>10695475
Did they?

Real answer: Most games only ever needed three buttons, including N64 and PS1 titles. Games like THPS made creative use of the top (triangle) button but you barely even need it for other games. Most N64 games only use the c-pad for camera control which can easily be mapped to a second stick. Even in most Saturn games, the top row is usually used for things like camera control. Outside of fighters, their implementation is basically unnecessary.

>>10695515
A lot of fighting game players also switched to arcade sticks at this point, despite products like pic related still being sold. There's just no reason to own a six-button controller anymore outside of retro gaming

[Anonymous No.10695878]

>>10695818
>Real answer: Most games only ever needed three buttons, including N64 and PS1 titles. Games like THPS made creative use of the top (triangle) button but you barely even need it for other games. Most N64 games only use the c-pad for camera control which can easily be mapped to a second stick. Even in most Saturn games, the top row is usually used for things like camera control. Outside of fighters, their implementation is basically unnecessary.
Yeah I remember looking specifically for games other than fighting games that used 6 buttons for some sorta main function, both in Saturn and N64. There is not a single game.

[Anonymous No.10696230]

>>10695578
>SNES controller with (badly) tacked-on analog sticks
>better than form-fitting 6-button controllers
Yeah okay fanboy

[Anonymous No.10696237]

>>10695475
They were too good for this world

[Anonymous No.10696241]

>>10695578
Your thread sucked

[Anonymous No.10696934]

>>10695475
The N64 controller was bizarre and at most tolerated. Trying to hold that thing nowadays (with adult hands) is fucking awful.
The OG Xbox controller is unique because those were meant to act as side buttons for utility much like R1/L1 for the PS2 controller. If you were playing a fighting game, you went out and bought a specialized controller since the Duke/S controller had horrendous dpads.

[Anonymous No.10696958]

>Should we make a controller where the player has to manage 6 buttons with one thumb
>Or should we make a controller where 4 are managed by the thumb, and 2 more are handled by the index and middle fingers?
Think of Tekken's insane combos. Think of games where certain mechanics or gameplay strategies require you to hit multiple buttons at once.

[Anonymous No.10696975]

>>10696958

[Anonymous No.10696984]

>>10695475
Fighting Games are the reason for that layout. The genre had a huge slump, and today most fighting game players don't even use pads.

[Anonymous No.10696987]

>>10695578
if you want to strafe right while turning left your fingers hit each other with symmetric sticks. its dogshit

[Anonymous No.10696989]

>>10696934
>The N64 controller was bizarre and at most tolerated.
it really wasn't though, it made perfect sense and worked well for the games it was designed for (single-stick 3d games)

[Anonymous No.10696990]

>>10696975
>No argument
You're a retard.

[Anonymous No.10696993]

>>10696958
In Tekken each button acts as a limb.
Left Punch
Right Punch
Left Kick
Right Kick
It's an intentional albeit stupid decision by devs.

[Anonymous No.10696998]

>>10695793
you didn't need to hold all three prongs at once for any N64 games

[Anonymous No.10697001]

>>10696998
You need to hold all three prongs to get L and R and Z at the same time.

[Anonymous No.10697029]

>>10695475
they died out before the right stick but that proved their obsolescence even farther, adding face buttons makes no sense when the player is going to have their right thumb occupied much of the time.

[Anonymous No.10697065]

>>10697001
Name a game where you need to do this. L was largely unused.

[Anonymous No.10697127]

>>10697065
Go tell this baitnigger >>10695743

[Anonymous No.10697160]

>>10696934
The weird thing is the 6 face buttons actually was forced for fighting games by the people in charge of the console even though nobody would choose to use the duke for fighting games anyways.
>Also of paramount importance, Blackley and Allard stressed, was the positioning of the six face buttons: A, B, X, and Y, like on Nintendo's controllers, but with Black and White buttons added in, and arranged in two rows of three buttons each. "Mortal Kombat was the end-all-be-all," Chaudhari recalls. "Seamus and J were like, 'Fighting games, fighting games, fighting games! The six-pack is going to go up here!' I had never played a fighting game, so I was like, 'Okay, you want the buttons up there? The buttons can go up there. That's fine.'"

>>10696987
Not if you aren't a sausage hands retard.

[Anonymous No.10697229]

>>10696934
>The OG Xbox controller is unique because those were meant to act as side buttons for utility much like R1/L1 for the PS2 controller. If you were playing a fighting game, you went out and bought a specialized controller
Which controllers were popular?
>>10697160
>The weird thing is the 6 face buttons actually was forced for fighting games by the people in charge of the console even though nobody would choose to use the duke for fighting games anyways.
Why did they give it up so easily for controller s?

[Anonymous No.10697239]

>>10697001
The reason Z is there is if your hand is not holding the left handle (where L is). The three-hand meme has always been forced console warrior/zoomer gay shit.

[Anonymous No.10697312]

>>10697229
Originally Microsoft's internal design department didn't want to work on the Xbox so they hired a contractor and the Xbox department got all of the shit they asked for, but by the time Japan blew them off the Xbox project had become much more internally desirable and the controller redesign was pretty much taken out of their hands by the people that normally designed Microsoft hardware. Realistically the Duke could only fit both a right stick and 6 face buttons comfortably because it was fucking huge. There's nowhere else to put them on the S.

[Anonymous No.10698820]

>>10695475
They knew too much...

[Anonymous No.10698832]

>>10695475
Humans don't have two thumbs on each hand.

[Anonymous No.10698840]

>>10695475
I think the 6 face buttons is intimidating to new players, and not as intuitive as 4 buttons.

[Anonymous No.10698842]

>>10695475
I think every Saturn game I’ve played puts redundant controls on at least one button. That said, I wish modern controllers continued the trend to make emulation easier.

[Anonymous No.10698853]

>>10698840
Diamond layouts are pretty common across the spectrum, I have to assume the clear association with 4 cardinal directions is meaningful, but also anything over 4 buttons in a grid means some buttons are always going to be further away than others rather than having a center point they're all equally spaced around. Even on arcade controls you can kind of see how going to 6 makes it harder to be equally ready to use them all.

[Anonymous No.10698858]

>>10698853
>I have to assume the clear association with 4 cardinal directions is meaningful,
Yes precisely. I don't think sega put as much thought into their controllers as Nintendo or Sony. They just mimicked the arcade controls at the time, and put it as that.

[Anonymous No.10698872]

>>10698840
On Genesis emulation, i use a SNESpad because i am half assed to bother to get an adapter for my Genny controllers, so for most games i use this set up

L = A
Y = B
B = C
R = Y
X = X
A = R

Since many games use C as jump and B as attack.

[Anonymous No.10698874]

Who the fuck would want to play sonic on a stick? A nerd who loves giving handjobs?

[Anonymous No.10699135]

>>10695475
If you keep your thumb in the middle of a four-button controller, it's easy to move your thumb to the correct button without looking at the controller.
With a six-button controller, it's a lot easier to forget which button your thumb is resting on and move it to the wrong button when you need to change position. You can end up moving it too far/not far enough or needing to look at the controller to find the right button, something that doesn't happen when you're just trying to hit the button "on the top".
You'll notice that two of those examples have some vastly different button designs to compensate for that. They were pretty shitty designs as buttons, but they did their job of being distinct enough by feel. Nobody would start pressing the C-buttons on the N64 blind while thinking they are pressing B.

[Anonymous No.10699220]

>>10695578

[Anonymous No.10699607]

Dual Shock is the least comfortabke controller here. I can’t think of anything wrong with the Saturn 3d controller, so in true Sega form thet made the Dreamcast worse. Dual Shock is better than the dreamcast controller.

N64 is just weird looking, it worked fine. Once you tell the idiots that its made for two setup configurations they figure it out. The joystick wearing out is the real problem.

The Dualshock is a SNES controller with joysticks made for people whose thumbs aren’t in the correct location. The part your hand grabs is too small for a man’s hand and the angle is not ergonomic. BUT… again it is more ergonomic and better all around than the Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.10699619]

>>10695475
N64 was actually the beginning of the end. C buttons are not a true 6 button layout but an extension of the (S)NES layout to include additional direction buttons on the right hand side.

[Anonymous No.10699695]

>>10695483
Fippity bippity.
There’s no reason to put all your inputs on your right thumb. It’s just dumb. If you need more than 4 buttons, you should try utilizing your other 8 fingers that are doing nothing.

>>10698858
Yeah, 6 buttons are easily manageable when you’re using three fingers. Not so much when you’re using one thumb.

[Anonymous No.10699696]

>>10699695
You use 3 fingers on a 6 button pad exactly like you do on an arcade...

[Anonymous No.10700925]

>>10699695
this anon has never played a 6 button fighter
>>10695483
shoulders both predate and coexisted alongside 6 button gamepads
>>10695475
duke isnt a true 6 button and the placement is horrific anyways

[Anonymous No.10700936]

>>10696987
is this what fat xtroons really believe?

[Anonymous No.10700947]

>>10695475
no one cares about stinky pedo games

[Anonymous No.10700948]

>>10696987
>if you want to strafe right while turning left your fingers hit each other with symmetric sticks. its dogshit

[Anonymous No.10700976]

>>10695475
we can't have nice things

[Anonymous No.10700983]

>>10699696
Yeah I'm unsure that's very comfortable to hold

[Anonymous No.10700984]

>>10695475
daily reminder that never ever and it's over

[Anonymous No.10700998]

>>10695475
Normalfags couldn’t handle 6 buttons.
>>10695483
The Hyperkin Duke proves you can have 6 face buttons and 4 shoulder buttons. Granted the black and white buttons on the Hyperkin Duke always act as RB/LB but you could definitely incorporate 6 face buttons into a modern controller. Now that games are more complex than ever, it makes a lot of sense to bring it back.

[Anonymous No.10701142]

>>10700984
>C and Z are mapped to L and R.
>Triggers are digital.
This would've been a ideal MiSTer controller.

[Anonymous No.10701146]

>>10700984
why did they release this monstrosity, when their prototypes looked good

[Anonymous No.10701153]

>>10701146
it's (((cheaper)))

[Anonymous No.10701156]

>>10701146
Switch was their focus when it should've been MiSTer.
Even Hori is making (or at least were set on making) controllers tailor made for MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.10701162]

>>10696934
You unironically got filtered. That controller is great for both fighting games and fpses.

[Anonymous No.10701163]

>>10695475
just do this
there are worse things like israel existing

[Anonymous No.10701173]

Recommend me a non shit adapter for retro console controllers to PC.

[Anonymous No.10701215]

>>10695475
What was even the point of medium kick/punch, if sf2 had 2 punches and kicks it would of made no difference.

>>10701146
Genesis 3 button is my favorite, jump, action and shoot feels the best to me and 3 big buttons is great.

[Anonymous No.10701287]

>>10700925
I use my arcade stick to play fightan games, like a sane person. 6 button pads are obsolete trash. They have been for 30 years.

[Anonymous No.10701334]

Six face buttons are a meme.

[Anonymous No.10702714]

>>10695475
Too many buttons for the average goyim

[Anonymous No.10702753]

>>10700984
I will now buy your sega saturn

[Anonymous No.10702790]

>>10696987
>fingers hit each
LMAO wut?

[Anonymous No.10702794]

>>10696987
I'm surprised you managed to survive for so long, you can barely control your own body

[Anonymous No.10702853]

Because motherfuckers realized that for 99% of games the fucking Street Fighter layout was not effective.

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