/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10622936]

I can't believe I let you faggots meme me into trying this. I grew up with Doom/Quake but, neckmeats on here kept telling me how it was the peak of shooter design and I was missing out, so I gave it an honest chance for about 6 hours.

First off, I never want to hear anyone call Quake "brown" ever again. You want brown? Play Blood. There's brown, there's poop brown, there's old-dog-turd-that's-becoming-slightly-grey-from-age brown, and then more brown. Beyond the fact that diarrhea brown is the only color in the game, everything else about the game's visual style is equally insulting to the senses. Everything is so fucking hideously ugly, it's hard to believe anyone could actually enjoy looking at this game. Every single area in the game looks like a graveyard, funeral home, or the finished basement of an 85 year old korean war veteran. I realize the aesthetic is supposed to be horror inspired, but it isn't spooky or atmospheric, it's just depressing. Also, every weapon looks like it was drawn by a teenager, and the enemies are basically all some derivation of a butt ugly ragdoll with a tengu mask looking face.

Then, unfortunately, there's the gameplay. For a game called Blood, there really isn't all that much action. The game feels barren, and when you do encounter enemies, you just use TNT or the shotgun and blow them into comically exaggerated gibs. Enemies pose very little challenge unless you run into a room filled with hitscanners, and most weapons are irrelevant other than the two already mentioned. It seems like the game was designed to encourage occasional, short encounters where you kill 1-2 enemies and marvel at le heckin epic blood and gore, and then go back to playing pookaboo in the geriatric care facility tier environments while holding a can of hair spray.

I'm sorry guys, this game is fucking shit. It's not even a matter of subjectivity or nostalgia, this is a fundamentally bad game, and you should feel bad for liking it.

[Anonymous No.10622951]

>>10622936
This user has no taste.

[Anonymous No.10622954]

>>10622936
better and more fun than duke nukem 3d <---objective opinion, cannot refute

[Anonymous No.10622956]

>>10622951
>uhh ackshually have no taste because you don't like my poop brown scarecrow killing simulator
You are a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.10622968]

>>10622951
This should be a report reason on /vr/

[Anonymous No.10622971]

>>10622936
Build games are built (heh) on gimmicks, the core gameplay is simply crap compared to Doom or even Quake

[Anonymous No.10622973]

>>10622936
I’m not reading all those words you dumb asshole.

[Anonymous No.10622980]

>>10622973
Not a problem, Jamal. Thanks for your time.

[Anonymous No.10622982]

>>10622936
I liked episodes 1 and 2 but the rest was meh for me. I don't agree about it all being brown; you want to see a game that's all brown? Play HROT.

[Anonymous No.10622989]

>>10622954
>objective opinion, cannot refute
You dodged a bullet. I was going to absolutely wreck you with a devastating reply, I had already typed out all the 2000-character limit, but then I saw you protected your post. I'll leave defeated today, but you'll be mine as soon as you let your guard down. It's just a matter of waiting.

[Anonymous No.10622994]

Even Doom and Doom 2 I can only play for a handful of levels before quitting.
Duke3d is the only one I really like and mostly only because the chaingun sounds so good and the pig cops are hilarious.
Shadow Warrior is also a really good one, but I can't play that for personal reasons. I have bad real life memories with that one. But if I were to recommend any to someone it would be that one I guess

[Anonymous No.10622998]

>>10622994
Did Lo Wang rape your mom?

[Anonymous No.10623000]

>>10622998
Kek
Dad was really into it, and he's dead

[Anonymous No.10623016]

Zoomie tranny GO BACK. Blood shits on your fartnite fucking nigger kike.

[Anonymous No.10623020]

Blood is the ultimate in gaming. Quake is for casuals

[Anonymous No.10623025]

>>10622951
>>10622973
>>10623016
>>10623020
low IQ

[Anonymous No.10623027]

>>10622989
I'm stealing this.

[Anonymous No.10623057]

>>10622936
Filtered and brainlet

[Anonymous No.10623065]

lmao at the mad bloodfags in this thread.
The level designs are shit, the cultists have fucked up reaction times by the devs' own admission and will STILL hit you even if you memorize all their locations. To play like a pro you don't master the mechanics and encounters - you just memorize the levels as often times cultists will appear out of nowhere or be in unpredictable places that even the most dynamite happy player would never check. The weapon selection is weak and the game doesn't have doesn't have any thought put into what kind of situation each weapon excels at. There are few enemies that require you to utilize specific quirks of weapons like the afterburn. The levels give you every type of weapon like it doesn't matter, it feels more like a playground of stuff to mess around with which maybe is fun for a bit but is a weaker experience to Duke or Doom, where the player is not given all the tools at once and needs to be crafty.
>lmao just crouch for half the game
Point proven.

[Anonymous No.10623067]

>>10622936
Fuck you, I like it.

[Anonymous No.10623068]

>>10622936
Blood isn't great, it has some cool ideas and levels but also plenty of shit ideas and levels. I think PC gamers 20 years ago really wanted a kickass title and the way the internet always felt about 80s horror and retro fps games made it a shoe-in for a game you aren't allowed to dislike. "bro it's like the best game for evil dead fans!" which yeah, I get it, I don't even disagree. I just don't think it stands out enough in terms of design or represents some impressive greater concept. It's still just Duke Nukem 3D but with a horror skin, which is still Doom but with a macho american action movie skin which is wolfenstein but with higher ceilings which yada yada

I think PC gamers needed Powerslave, the real one not the DOS one, but didn't have it. And PC gamers have always been territorial over console games bleeding over, but for the genre at large Blood wasn't "it." It's a good game to play, especially now you're not force fucking DOSBOX from 20 years ago to get it to run on windows xp with laggy mouse input, but it's not the missing link PowerSlave is.

[Anonymous No.10623071]

>>10622936
You're trying too hard for the "exaggerated angry /v/ user" trope. This is either A.I. or someone trying (and failing) to be funny; go try your youtuber schtick somewhere else. No one cares if you like the game or not but there are better ways to have a discussion and this isn't it.

[Anonymous No.10623073]

>>10622971
>core gameplay is crap
>you run, you shoot, you look for keys to open new areas to then shoot stuff
>exactly the same gameplay with more environment interaction
You don't have to like the game but at least be accurate in your gibberish

[Anonymous No.10623083]

Is it feigning ignorance to game design to like a flawed game or is it just caring enough and liking the most fun parts of it? I feel like this applies the most to this game, it does so much right but it has plenty of blatant flaws.

[Anonymous No.10623087]

>>10623068
Powerslave is one or the only Saturn games that impressed me.

[Anonymous No.10623090]

>>10623071
>no one cares
>responds anyway
lmao every time

[Anonymous No.10623098]

>>10623090
>doesn't understand English idioms
>responds anyway
ESLs everyone

Also: love that you didn't deny it either, you fuck fucking cunt

[Anonymous No.10623103]

>>10623087
I recommend playing more Saturn games, but PowerSlave is one of the best games of the generation even if it didn't get the praise it deserved.

[Anonymous No.10623115]

>>10623098
"nobody cares" is not an idiom you redditspacing pseud, it's just you exaggerating like the emotional woman you are.

[Anonymous No.10623131]

>>10623115
>still not denying you're testing out youtube rants; not denying you're a fat fuck; hasn't seen the screenshot of 2004 posting with spacing this confirming newfag status.

Please lurk more and cut down your soda intake, porky.

[Anonymous No.10623137]

>>10623131
>somebody in 2004 put a space between sentences, therefore redditspacing does not exist
this is your brain on retarded. i am 653lbs and recording everything you're saying for my next youtube soiface thumbnail reaction video btw, i state that proudly. please stop redditspacing and talking like a woman.

[Anonymous No.10623167]

>>10622936
I think you played it with the wrong mindset.
I personally liked it because it was comical and exaggerated, as you said about enemies exploding.
Yeah I think as well that the game doesn't compare well to Duke and Doom but it's still fun.

[Anonymous No.10623169]

>>10623167
>you have to play a game with a "mindset" to enjoy it
Oof.

[Anonymous No.10623180]

I've always felt the level design falls off really hard near the end of episode 2. Worse than other games where they start strong and end bad. From memory the second half of blood is shitty mines and caves over and over.

[Anonymous No.10623195]

>>10622936
t. couldn't make it past the train because cultists sodomized him

[Anonymous No.10623204]

>>10622936
It’s okay. Cheesy as fuck. The gimmick gets old after the first episode

[Anonymous No.10623359]

>>10623000
>Dad was really into it, and he's dead
>Not subsequently mastering the game, it's expansions and sequels in his place to make him proud in his afterlife
Cease this shamefur dispray at once.

[Anonymous No.10623370]

>>10623115
>emotional woman you are
How did you know I'm a woman? Facebook stalking again?

[Anonymous No.10623549]

>>10622936
MODERN ARTS AND FEAR BOOKS!

[Anonymous No.10623564]

>>10622956
lol you're so mad that you typed that big wall of text and fpbp didn't engage with any of it.
Go back to r*ddit if you want to debate shit lmfaorofl

[Anonymous No.10623568]

>>10623025
Cope harder OP.

[Anonymous No.10623571]

>>10623549
MARINARA BOLOGNESE!!

[Anonymous No.10623575]

>>10623571
oh woops I mean to post this one next to that image.
I mean GEROXE BEBOX MALLAX!

[Anonymous No.10623598]

>>10622936
anon, you got filtered hard

[Anonymous No.10623603]

[Anonymous No.10623617]

>>10622936
Play on Well Done.
The game gets prettier in the later chapters, and all the weapons are great (even though too many are fire themed).

[Anonymous No.10623630]

>>10622936
Nah. The first episode of Blood is great, the level design is fun and you get to visit a lot of cool locations, but the rest of the episodes just get progressively worse and deteriorate into a boring slog to get through the last levels. The weapon design is really hit-or-miss, the flaregun, shotgun, tommygun, napalm launcher and dynamite feel great, they feel appropriately powerful and have their niches to exploit, the other weapons just feel kind of crappy. The voodoo doll and tesla rifle both do lots of damage, but they are not satisfying to use at all, feeling like they are just toys that make enemies die near them than actual weapons, and the hairspray and life leech just feel incredibly weak and unsatisfying to use. The enemies just kind of feel janky in a way that's cool and charming in some aspects (I mean, the gargoyles and phantasms are just 100% not working as intended but I don't think anyone really minds), but others (bloated butchers, hellhounds) feel like a product of the game being rushed out of the door. I'm not even going to touch the boring bulletsponge bosses that become semi-regular enemies later on. They are bad.

Overall I think there's a lot to like about Blood, but the main game doesn't really execute what it has to offer in the best way possible. I'd really recommend checking out the Death Wish fanmade level pack to see how Blood could really have been taken a level or two above what we ended up with.

[Anonymous No.10623647]

>>10622936
Finally someone with some sense, I have been telling people Blood is the worst build game hands down for years, even shadow warrior is more enjoyable and that game also fucking sucks.
You hit the nail on the head with just about everything wrong with blood although you failed to mention one of the worst things about blood, the weapons that are awful, genuinely baffles me just how shit they are, I don't even know where to start other than the only "good" weapons are the shitgun and dynamite both of which are just worse than the Duke3d counterparts. The flare gun is worthless, the tommy gun is worthless, the hair spray is almost useless, the napalm launcher is pretty shit against most of the enemies.
You also mentioned the game is ugly but you failed to mention that monolith never in their entire career been able to make 1 good level. Every single level they make feels worse than some Doom level made by a bored 12 year old. They are either a slog of giant empty space or a mess of a maze. They as you said also just look ugly as shit, Wolf3D is more enjoyable to look at.

Just play Duke3D it always has been and always will be the best build game.

[Anonymous No.10623654]

>>10623647
>shadow warrior sucks
You are weak as a baby fart, go live in fear.

[Anonymous No.10623667]

>>10623654
It's not downright awful like Blood is, but it's just extremely boring for the entire 2nd half of the game, the first half is pretty great. At the end of the day all of my enjoyment from Shadow Warrior was hearing Lo Wang say stupid shit while blowing shit away with an Uzi and unlike Blood, Shadow Warrior has level design that doesn't suck shit through a bendy straw and actual fun to use weapons.

[Anonymous No.10623675]

>>10623667
I just can't fathom how in the name of Christ you find Blood dynamite worse. It's one of the best throwables in an FPS game. You have total control of how far and how you throw it, you can make it explode on impact or throw it on a timer. That's not even bringing up the remote bombs and the prox bombs.
Flare gun isn't useless either. It starts as a weird starting weapon because of the afterburn forcing you to use other weapons in conjunction with it, but once you have more weapons and excess flares, the altfire becomes the main method of attack, and then it becomes a pocket nuke.
Tommygun stunlocks any cultist you start peppering with it, the problem is they don't cry out like you'd expect, instead they get stuck shuffling to the left or right while you shoot them, but that's all they do. Altfire also does more damage for some reason.
Hair spray is best used as a throwable
Napalm is absurdly cracked out so I'm not sure how the fuck you're using it.

[Anonymous No.10623678]

>>10623667
>uzi
I like nuclear weapons.
Just like Hiroshima.
Just like Nagasaki.
Like Chinese New Year fireworks!

[Anonymous No.10623686]

>>10623564
>r*ddit
What's the missing letter? Stop hiding information!

[Anonymous No.10623695]

>>10622936
The best build engine in the game, I'd already gotten bored with shadow warrior and duke in the first episode (in shadow it was the second level). Best pacing and weapon design It's no surprise that the designers of this game have never made a bad game.

[Anonymous No.10623725]

>>10623675
>best throwable
It's literally a worse pipe bomb, have you even played duke?
The flare gun sucks to use, you say to use it in conjunction with other weapons but why even bother with that shit when you could just shoot them with the shotgun.
The tommy gun being a stunlock weapon doesn't matter because you could just kill them with the shotgun, it exists solely as a backup weapon to the shotgun.
Hair Spray best used as a throwable is still a piss poor weapon that is somehow worse than the dynamite.
Napalm is powerful but when the shotgun kills everyone just as well so it's only useful against the flying enemies or the bosses both of which can also just be blasted to death with the shotgun.
The shotgun is literally the only weapon worth a damn because it does decent damage and has nearly infinite ammo. You only use the other weapons out of pure boredom because when you are staring at brown sluge for 6 hours you want one of the 5 fire based weapons to see some orange occasionally.

[Anonymous No.10623748]

>>10623725
Duke's pipe bomb has never felt right to me to throw, it has a locked arc with a small range. Plus the time it takes to equip the detonator is very slow. Blood's dynamite lets you just throw it as an impact grenade and be done with it, and the remote bombs are just Duke's Pipebombs with far more range, and a quicker response.
I said to use the flare gun's altfire, once you get the shotgun you're so obsessed with you're not going to need to ration flares.
Your other complaints of "Just use the shotgun instead of everything else" smack of someone who plays Doom 2 for 20 minutes and then says "SSG is better than everything else, don't ever bother with using other weapons."

I'm also not sure what difficulty you were playing on because you sure as hell can't get away with using nothing but the shotgun on higher difficulties.

[Anonymous No.10623761]

The worst early FPS game is obviously Rise of the Triad.

I don't even know what the fuck they were attempting with that one.

[Anonymous No.10623815]

>>10623748
He's definitely playing below normal, because supplies are tight enough that if you were only using the shotgun you would basically never have any ammo for it. It also makes sense of his bizarre statement that enemies come in groups of 2 most of the time.

[Anonymous No.10624806]

I've been playing some Doom mods recently and I've been finding them kind of dull compared to the Blood and Duke mods I played before them. Build engine stuff is peak FPS. Doom just doesn't feel as good.

[Anonymous No.10624831]

Hello, Alf
or whoever the fuck made this troll thread. You are just as damn pathetic as the Mario 64 shitposter who said "I'm SoRry, ItS nOt vErY gOoD" in the OP.

[Anonymous No.10624835]

>>10622936
>treating a hobby like a checklist
>still approaching media like everything's a Top 10 list

Oof... guess you really just had to be there.

[Anonymous No.10624871]

>>10622936
0/10

[Anonymous No.10624903]

>>10624871
>0/10 bait
>replied

[Anonymous No.10625091]

>>10622936
I don't agree with you, well, not 100%, but I appreciate the 2000s Seanbaby-esque prose. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.10625284]

The horror movie references, and some of the level themes, like the level on a train, or the circus are really cool.
On the whole, it's not one of the best designed shooters of the era though. Too many hitscan enemies. Feels needlessly frustrating.

[Anonymous No.10625767]

>>10622936
This post is extremely low quality.

[Anonymous No.10625774]

>>10623065
>The level designs are shit,
Factually incorrect. The enemy placement is great, except...
>the cultists have fucked up reaction times by the devs' own admission and will STILL hit you even if you memorize all their locations.

[Anonymous No.10625896]

>>10623761
Only obvious thing is your poor bait kid. I found ROTT considerably more fun than Blood in spite of the age/technology handicaps.

[Anonymous No.10625941]

OP is a faggot, maranax infirmux.

[Anonymous No.10626106]

Shadow Warrior is the superior Build Engine game

[Anonymous No.10626874]

>>10622989
The weak should fear the strong