/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10619909]

At the time people said Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were soulless 3D monstrosities and that Sonic never should've been taken away from 2-D sidescrolling. That combined with the CHAOs and VMUs on the Dreamcast confused a lot of people

What went wrong for Sonic?

[Anonymous No.10619925]

I’m so tired of these Sonic threads

[Anonymous No.10619937]

>>10619909
that literally never happened

[Anonymous No.10621167]

people back then were too gobsmacked by the graphics to see Sonic Shitventure for what it was - shit! And people weren't too focused on what had been lost because instead they were focused on "this is the last chance effort for our advertiser - if we shit on this it's over"
of course, it was over anyway but they wouldn't know that until a year or two later

[Anonymous No.10621471]

>>10619909
How was Shadow able to use Chaos Control here? That always bugged me as a kid

[Anonymous No.10621518]

>>10619909
>What went wrong for Sonic?
objectively, they just kept reinventing the wheel. you never know what the damn games are going to be like.

when you get a zelda game it's going to be an adventure with lite rpg sensibilities, when you get a mario you're going to hop around platforms maybe collect macguffins.


the fuck you gun do in sonic sometimes?
sonic with a gun?
pokemon with guns?

[Anonymous No.10621554]

He's outta time.

[Anonymous No.10621618]

>>10619909
People didn't say that schizo. Why are you still mad about a twenty years old game. Get a job.
>>10619925
I think there's like one or two schizos obsessed to a mentally ill level. Theres this guy that camps on /vr/ and has a new anti sonic thread every fucking day and does obvious samefagging

[Anonymous No.10621623]

>>10621618
Oh wait I'm on vr not v. Yeah this might be him

[Anonymous No.10621630]

>>10619937
This. What the fuck are you talking about, OP? Nobody was complaining about Sonic going 3D when the games came out.

[Anonymous No.10621685]

>>10619909
People didn’t say this, but Sonic did die when it went 3D.

[Anonymous No.10621993]

>>10619909
>At the time people said Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were soulless 3D monstrosities and that Sonic never should've been taken away from 2-D sidescrolling.
No they didn't, you may have had some people say this shit then, but that was a slim ass minority. This wasn't even a debate until around Shadow (2005) or 06.
>That combined with the CHAOs and VMUs on the Dreamcast confused a lot of people
>CHAOS
You mean that shit that you can just ignore outright unless you're a 100% autist?
>VMUs
What? You mean Chao adventure? See above.

[Anonymous No.10621995]

No one said that. Everyone creamed themselves over these games. Especially 2. Dumb fucking zoomer.

[Anonymous No.10622026]

>>10619925
/vr/ is now just /v/ 2.0

[Anonymous No.10623565]

>>10619925
I'm a Sonic fan and I'm sick of them too, they're always the same thing, and pretty much always negative, if you only read those you'd think the franchise always had mediocre reception and a few fans that actually like it, and that's it's not one of the most iconic and well received trilogy of all time on Genesis, that spawned a huge fan following and even successful films. It's a pain.

"Sonic was never good because he's flawed as a concept fundamentally because I run into a few enemies and hazards because the camera's too close and I want to avoid it all on my 1st try at it,"

Yeah, I get it, I heard you the thousand times you said the same thing before, you can dislike Sonic, but to twist that into it being bad, and trying to sound smart for sucking at it, it's just ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10624249]

>>10619909
At the time the general idea was the Sonic Adventure did what Mario 64 did to mario. Then you have stuff like that big tornado and snowboarding down the mountain, nothing like that in Mario 64. The loops you could sometimes get stuck on and they almost made it like master system auto loops but what could they really about that. Some complaints about camera but it was easier to move with L and R triggers, Mario 64 has a lot of automated cameras, its almost not a truely 3d explorable world in a way in some levels.

Played a bit of SA2 and its seems like a downgrade of SA1.

[Anonymous No.10624639]

>>10621995
This, especially Game Cube kids, when you ask people what installment made them a Sonic fan, at least from my experience and perception over the years, most say either "Sonic 2" or "Sonic Adventure 2: Battle" and I think that say a lot about the Adventure titles as a whole to be fair.

[Anonymous No.10624646]

>>10624639
Yea it says that... they were Gamecube kids. And they had no former exposure to Sonic....

[Anonymous No.10624679]

>>10624646
I grew up in the 90s and 00s with the Sonic cartoons, comics, and Sonic 1 on the Master System as my only Sonic exposure. Playing Sonic Adventure 2 on the gamecube was absolutely crazy and awesome. It was just like an arc in the comics.

[Anonymous No.10624683]

>>10619909
Can we stop having these threads, please?
>Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were soulless 3D monstrosities
True.
>Sonic never should've been taken away from 2-D sidescrolling
False.
>CHAOs and VMUs on the Dreamcast confused a lot of people
What? No one said this.

3-d sonic failed because the gameplay wasn't fun. 2-d sonic worked because it was a fun platformer with a ball-rolling gimmick, and actually took some amount of skill to get good. SA and SA2 did away with that and became an on-rails rollercoaster hold-up simulator, resulting in a worse Crash Bandicoot. SA and SA2 takes almost no skill whatsoever to play and win.

They could have just ripped off Mario64 is some ways, such as making how sonic moved and interacted with the environment as physics-based as possible, making exploration and platforming fun even if you were just fucking around doing nothing. They didn't.

It's inexcusable. Even the 3-d sonics before SA and SA2 had good concepts and fun elements, they could have combined. Merge aspects from Sonic R, Sonic Jam, Sonic 3-d blast, and you got a pretty fun game, especially if you can nail ball-rolling physics like they later did with Super Monkey Ball.

>TLDR

Sonic could have copied Mario64/Kart into one game and didn't.

Stop making these threads. Everyone knows this by now.

[Anonymous No.10624694]

>>10619925
Go back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.10624697]

>>10622026
No it really isn't. We don't have nearly enough coomer threads.

[Anonymous No.10625946]

>>10619909
>What went wrong for Sonic?
Sonic Adventure 2.

[Anonymous No.10627728]

>>10619909
>At the time people said Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were soulless 3D
No

[Anonymous No.10628240]

>>10627728
This.
I've never seen video game revisionism as bad as Sonic Adventure, even the original Sonic trilogy I think, with stuff like "Sonic was never good" too.
It's ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10628251]

>>10619925
Go back to /v/ where you can enjoy the endless Nintendo threads

[Anonymous No.10628868]

>>10628251
>as if /vr/ isn't a tendie board already too...

[Anonymous No.10628987]

>>10619909
Bait, but I'll take it. At the time Sonic Adventure was generally considered awesome. People sometimes complained about stuff like Big's fishing, but everything complained about was exaggerated years later. It was after Heroes that 3D Sonic really got a bunch of hate as I recall, which got people to retroactively shit on Adventure more. Plus DX was a flawed port.

[Anonymous No.10630552]

>>10624694
>>10628251
fuck you cunts. Grow up. Sonic isn’t that good of a game for you to obsess over it like some fucking crack whore. You’re in your late 30s now anons. I recommend taking your autism to these boards:
>>>/b/
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.10630782]

>>10624683
>3d sonic failed
>sega still selling 3d sonic games to this day

ok

[Anonymous No.10630836]

>>10619909
soulless wasn't a meme term until over a decade later, stupid

[Anonymous No.10630843]

>>10630782
>Zoomies have terrible taste
agreed