/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10614624]

Hi, /vr/. Please explain something to me. I want to burn some Audio-CDs and play them on my PS2. It's a Slim 90000. AFAIK Audio-CDs have no DRM, so there shouldn't be a way for any device to tell commercial discs from burned ones. I tried burning a few CDs, but none of them work on my PS2. It tries to read them a few times while it's stuck on the bootup screen, I can hear the laser head moving. But then it just fails and goes into the red "Insert disc" screen. At one point I was sure that the CD laser was broken, but then I tried playing this very old scratched-up Audio-CD. As you can see, there is a see-through spot on it, which should probably disqualify it from playing properly on anything, never mind PS2. But this is the only burned CD that I have that my console unit can read with no issues. It detects it instantly and goes to the track selection screen with colored cubes. The tracks play properly (well, at least some and at least for the beginnings of the songs, because that's as far as I checked). So what the hell is going on here? I've burned my CDs using ImgBurn. Should I use another program for this? I burned them at x10 speed because that's the lowest my multiburner could go at that point, but I've since found another one that can do x4. Should I just try burning another CD at x4 using ImgBurn and hope that it works? Sure, they are cheap, but it's still a complete waste to me if I get another one that doesn't work. Please help.

>inb4 go to /g/ or /mu/
I think they'd just laugh at me for trying to play music on a PS2 in 2024 instead of helping. This board is the most likely to be knowledgeable on this topic, and what I'm asking about could probably also be applied to burning and playing PS1 backups on a modchipped/mechapwned PS2 because it's virtually the same format as Audio-CD, tracks from PS1 discs can just also encode data.

[Anonymous No.10614637]

>>10614624
>laugh at me for trying to play music on a PS2 in 2024
I'm here to do this. I'm honestly just fucking baffled you're bothering to try doing this.
Just a nostalgia thing? Was there a cool audio visualizer on the PS2? I wouldn't know I never owned one before.

[Anonymous No.10614640]

...anon, your console is modded to read cd-r or you have some kind of freeloader, right?

[Anonymous No.10614643]

My immediate next step is to test your newly burnt disc on other, music playing devices. You do still have your mid-2kcore boom box right

[Anonymous No.10614646]

>>10614637
there isn't. it's just the memory card application using the memory icons for each track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=PJ-kpUtUTZg

[Anonymous No.10614648]

Oh, and before someone asks: yes, I made sure that I burned Audio-CDs, not CD-ROMs containing .WAV files. I know the difference between those two things.

This is how the burned Audio-CD that works looks like on the bottom side. As you can see, it's extremely scratched.

[Anonymous No.10614649]

>>10614646
Okay this makes even less sense to me now. OP you are a strange dude.

[Anonymous No.10614650]

>>10614649
He probably thinks he's an ep1c retro man of the 90s.... even though watching DVDs was the thing people bought PS2s for, not music

[Anonymous No.10614654]

>>10614640
It's not modded. Well, I do have Funtuna FMCB, but that's just a non-persistent softmod. My console is neither modchipped nor mechapwned. But this shouldn't be an issue for Audio-CDs, because those have no DRM. This is different from playing PS1 game backups, which you need a hardware/firmware modification for.

>>10614643
I have a DVD player in the mail so I guess I'll try to play them on that... I don't own any other devices with optical drives that aren't PCs and every one of those PCs can read the Audio-CDs I burned with no issues.

[Anonymous No.10614664]

>>10614624
you have to burn the discs PROPERLY
you cant just use shitty old itunes and expect it to work

get quality blank media discs
check the archives or maybe an oldfag will help you
some type of silver japanese discs that finnicky old systems can read

when i was fucking HEAVY with optical media around 5 years ago i went down the rabbithole

the burned discs CAN be done as a buddy of mine put a ton of music on his gen1 xbox so we could listen to songs during gta vice city

[Anonymous No.10614671]

>>10614650
No, it's actually because DVD quality sucks compared to what modern TVs are capable of but Audio-CDs use lossless music formats and still sound very good. If I re-encode .flacs to .wavs and use them to make an Audio-CD, I'll get better quality than playing the same songs on Spotify, but if I burn a movie on a DVD, I'll get worse quality than from a 1080p torrent release...

[Anonymous No.10614680]

>>10614624
imgburn sucks, every time a retard comes in saying he has burn problems, they are using imgburn, and I tell them to use something proper like Nero or CloneCD or even EAC (for audio), and after that they have no problems.

Try with a different burning app.

>>10614640
He is trying to run audio cds, not games. you don't need any mods for that on any console.

[Anonymous No.10614687]

>>10614680
its not that imgburn\handbrake suck
its that they blast their burns at 48x speed
its not a fucking race, burn at the SLOWEST speed
use disc verification
it wastes time, yes, but not as much as finding a coaster halfway through your game\playtest

my 2 cents
just spend the extra time and do it right

[Anonymous No.10614702]

>>10614680
>>10614654
Yeah I read too fast, I thought OP was trying to randomly burn games on cd.

[Anonymous No.10614710]

>>10614624
Get good quality CDs. I guarantee this is the issue.

[Anonymous No.10614793]

>>10614680
Thanks for suggesting EAC, I used it to burn with my "new" multiburner at x4 speed and it produced an Audio-CD that PS2 plays without issues.

>>10614710
Nope, that wasn't the case. I used the same exact type of Verbatim CD-Rs this time as I used in my failed attempts, purchased from the exact same electronics shop.

[Anonymous No.10614895]

>>10614687
burning at low speeds hasn't been necessary for like 15+ years.

[Anonymous No.10614904]

>>10614624
try the drive diagnosis mode

[Anonymous No.10614923]

>>10614687
>burn at the SLOWEST speed
Shut the fuck up retard, you have no idea what you are talking about. This shit hasnt been true since the early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.10614937]

>>10614687
>its not that imgburn\handbrake suck
Yes they do.

>its that they blast their burns at 48x speed
You can set them to burn slower.

>its not a fucking race, burn at the SLOWEST speed
That's not necessary unless you want to use the discs with a machine that has broken lasers.

>use disc verification
I've had imgburn do bad discs even after verification said the disc was good. It wasn't even some retro shit, I was reading back the disc like 10 minutes later in the same drive and it was bad.

It's imgburns fault. See: >>10614793, he used something else and oh wow, no more errors.

[Anonymous No.10614987]

>>10614671
True, if only there was some other kind of device that played .flacs and .wavs....
Oh well.

[Anonymous No.10615020]

>>10614923
>>10614895
still is true
esp if you have a shitty non-oem burner
you can literally test it yourself
use disc verification and check for errors
you WILL have fuckups if you blast discs as fast as possible

the only thing that changed is you have LESS errors now than in 2001

[Anonymous No.10615026]

>>10615020
i have burned literally THOUSANDS of games in the last decade
>pc engine cd (not picky)
>sega cd (fmv will be shitty if you cut corners)
>3do (crashes or runs like shit if you cut corners)
>ps1 (needs decent media, fmv issue if burned to quick)
>ps2 (not picky, but for cd games you need cds)
>sega shitturn (not picky but i still followed my mantra)

hope that helps

[Anonymous No.10615029]

>>10615026
>for cd games you need cds
ok

[Anonymous No.10615035]

>>10615029
INSTEAD OF DVD YOU MONGOLOiD
ex: mvC2 is a cd not a dvd it will not boot off a dvd even with freemcboog

[Anonymous No.10616489]

/g/ will know. Those tech nerds know all and love to rub it in your face. Try there

[Anonymous No.10616590]

>>10614671
You need to fix your mental illness. I recommend that instead of wasting time on this shit, you get an audio A/B tester, which is just a jack output with 2 inputs you can press a button to switch between. Hook up your phone playing spotify to one, your PC playing WAVs to the other, then hit play on a nice long track at the same time. Then give the button to your buddy so he can swap between the tracks at random and note down what you thought was playing second by second.

After you've done this, a logical person would understand that there's no difference and you don't have magical ears that can hear 25khz intefference, but given you are mentally ill you will probably just come up with some retarded shit like "uh my motherboard DAC just isn't as good as the one in my phone I need a proper optical output for the ultimate in listening experience". Seriously man, you need to fix this problem. In another year or two you WILL be spending 50k on cable risers and bags of rocks that reduce audio vibration, while shaving down your audio CDs to prevent light leakage sapping your precious frequencies.

[Anonymous No.10616598]

>>10616590
You seem reasonable so I will ask. How much should a normal not poor person spend on their set-up? Just a semi-decent pair of headphones and otherwise forget about it?

[Anonymous No.10616610]

>>10616598
Yeah, pretty much. The rules are pretty simple, if you hear a low hiss or hum at high listenable volumes you get a DAC, if the sound doesn't go high enough you get an amp. Otherwise, there's zero value to any other audio gear.

You can get great headphones for 50-300 bucks, EQ can help with driver limitations but requires a small pre-amp volume decrease. Comfort is number one, ideally you should try headphones before buying them, because it doesn't matter how good the sound is if you can't stand wearing them for more than an hour at a time.

[Anonymous No.10616647]

>>10616489
>/g/
You know how some boards have absolutely tanked in terms of general post quality over the past decade or so? /g/ is absolutely one of the worst places on this fucking site. Don't go there for anything.

[Anonymous No.10616686]

Didn't read thread
https://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/
Burn SLOW because that actually matters and always will IT'S SIMPLE FUCKING PHYSICS

[Anonymous No.10617207]

>>10614624
That's a lot of text and I'm not going to read all that. You come across as an autistic worrywort of a younger generation who is on the brink of shutting down, simply because you can't handle failure and have hit a wall that other people have easily overcome.
Your tracks need to be in lossless FLAC format. Don't convert them into anything on your own.
You need to build your tracklist before burning things onto the disc. Throw together whatever music you want and use whatever tool to create a CUE file. Imgburn can also do this. If it overflows past 80 minutes/700MB you need to remove shit.
Then use Imgburn to write to the disc using the CUE file as the source. Use the slowest speed and let it run. Always let Imgburn verify the disc when it burns one, and only use a disc if it passes verification.
I've always burnt my CDs this way and it works on everything. Original Xbox, 360, PS1, PS2, PS3, the Saturn, my car, etc.
Also, the label being chipped or torn doesn't have any actual effect. Quit worrying about it, or if you're too much of an autistic worrywort (you probably are) you can buy a colored sharpie to touch it up.

[Anonymous No.10617383]

>>10614671
Oh good, audiophile insanity. Please take your thread to >>>/g/ so they may help (laught at) you too.