/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10610269]

Did it really need to exist?

[Anonymous No.10610280]

I hate bait

[Anonymous No.10610295]

The stealth section ruined otherwise good a game.

[Anonymous No.10610316]

Need? No the original game is a lot of fun. Zero mission is really awesome in a different way. It's the better game too. People definitely ignore the original because this is such a great game. That's fine, they can play 1 out of 2 great Metroid games. There's no losing there.

[Anonymous No.10610321]

>>10610269
Does any video game?

[Anonymous No.10610336]

>>10610316
I’ve played the original a few times and ZM does not in any way make the original redundant or obsolete. It’s like an alternate Super Metroid. So I agree, their loss

[Anonymous No.10610364]

>>10610316
>>10610336
This. Zero Mission does not resemble the original in any way and I don't get why people spread this lie online.

[Anonymous No.10610378]

>>10610269
yes. the first metroid had a lot of brilliant environmental design locked behind woefully low fidelity early nes gameplay and spritework.

[Anonymous No.10610385]

>>10610269
Of course not, but the Metroid series and the world is better for it.

[Anonymous No.10610387]

>>10610269
I'd say yes simply for being a good game in it's own right but because it created the Zero Suit which resulted in a complete erasure of Samus's leisure wear at the end of the games and forever put her in a more streamlined but redundant and boring battle suit? Fuck Zero Mission.

[Anonymous No.10610404]

>>10610387
>complains that samus is sexy
Why are you gey?

[Anonymous No.10610428]

>>10610404
I actually don't find the zero suit all that sexy. It's a generic catsuit. I much prefer her outfit at the end of Super Metroid. When she takes off her armor she should let her hair down and be in a state of undress that implies relaxation. Not be wearing a second battle suit but skintight this time. It actually made the stealth sections of Zero Mission less tense than they could have been had she been forced to sneak around in a bra and panties where she would seem legitimately vulnerable.

[Anonymous No.10610520]

>>10610269
Yes, and the GBA (and world) is better because of it

[Anonymous No.10610526]

>>10610428
>had she been forced to sneak around in a bra and panties where she would seem legitimately vulnerable
you realize how sensible it is for her to have a functional emergency suit then no?

[Anonymous No.10610607]

>>10610269
Yes, and it was great.

[Anonymous No.10610651]

Really hate the crash section, it made her pathetic. All it took was a a single shot to down the ship, which is ridiculous. But the biggest crime was cursing the series with the spandex suit, which ruined her as strong, enigmatic character forever. Before, you had to fight to get a glimpse of Samus without armor, now she prances around like a whore with heels no less.

[Anonymous No.10610697]

>>10610269
Needed to exist in hd

[Anonymous No.10610738]

Nope.

Play Metroid Planets

[Anonymous No.10610785]

>>10610387
I always thought the Zero Suit was an improvement.

[Anonymous No.10611072]

>>10610269
no, Fusion and Prime, Animal Crossing, and Virtual Console both let you play the original.

and it's completely supplanted by Metroid Planets.

[Anonymous No.10611102]

>>10610651
>heels
smashfag spotted, post discarded

[Anonymous No.10611104]

>>10610280
yup, the contrarian takes are gonna be boring as fuck too.

[Anonymous No.10611108]

>>10610269
made for all the 'oomers
>braindead gameplay for z
>nostalgia bait for b
>zero suit for c

[Anonymous No.10611114]

>>10611108
How is the gameplay braindead?

[Anonymous No.10611116]

>>10611114
I beat it and I'm braindead

[Anonymous No.10611134]

>>10610526
Sure always good to have plan Bs but that doesn't make the situation better for the player in that scenario. I get the need for the stun gun thing because you want to give the player more to do than just move around but dressing her like Catwoman just makes her seem kind of irritated she has to use stealth as opposed to in actual danger as she'd seem if she were in her underwear. It's the difference between John McClane in Die Hard where he's so unprepared he's not even wearing shoes and Solid Snake in Metal Gear who uses stealth because that's how he operates.

[Anonymous No.10611140]

>>10611102
This is neither reddit nor twitter where you can post stupid shit like that and have someone fall for it

[Anonymous No.10611156]

>>10610269
Yes, along with AM2R so I never have to play crusty 8 bit games again. Having to play a NES until 98 makes me never want to touch 8 bit again.

[Anonymous No.10611159]

>>10610269
I was young and unskilled so when I 100%ed Fusion and Prime and unlocked the original game I was a bit disoriented.
In that light, Zero Mission was a Godsend.
Only years later I realized its shortcomings.
I still think it is a good game, but people suggesting it over the original game should lose internet access.
Also there is Planets today.

[Anonymous No.10611167]

>>10611159
>but people suggesting it over the original game should lose internet access.
fucking autist weirdo

[Anonymous No.10611172]

>>10611140
pretty ironic coming from someone posting soijak memes and whining about the zero suit "cursing the series"

[Anonymous No.10611181]

>>10611167
some people should have to pay a fine. suggesting shitty games, and if they get a virus on their PC.

[Anonymous No.10611197]

>>10610316
>People definitely ignore the original because this is such a great game.
The original Metroid is included as a free bonus on every Zero Mission cartridge, so I would assume that almost everyone who's played ZM has also played the original.

[Anonymous No.10611204]

>>10610269
Yes, the original doesn't even have a save system.

[Anonymous No.10611206]

>>10611181
>some people should have to pay a fine. suggesting shitty games
Give me your $5 then

[Anonymous No.10611237]

>>10611206
you now owe $10

[Anonymous No.10611254]

>>10611116
The original game was even more simplistic

[Anonymous No.10611326]

>>10611172
Board culture, look it up. Or better yet GTFO

[Anonymous No.10611342]

>>10610428
m2 underwear is comfy

[Anonymous No.10611345]

>>10611254
the original didn't show me where to go

[Anonymous No.10611351]

>>10611345
Which is why it sucks.

[Anonymous No.10611368]

>>10611351
yeah, sure

[Anonymous No.10611369]

>>10610269
I didn't, just like video games in general
It's nice that it does because the original is a bitch to replay

[Anonymous No.10611371]

>>10611368
NES games are 99.9% unplayable dreck, anon. You don't have to pretend to like them to be cool.

[Anonymous No.10611378]

>>10611371
But I do like them :)

[Anonymous No.10611379]

>>10611378
Then you have brain damage.

[Anonymous No.10611404]

>>10610269
Samus was better before she was turned into a small generic anime waifu to try and appeal to the jap audience who never ended up caring about Metroid again anyway. Tall 1980s Western sci-fi action heroine will always be the real Samus.

[Anonymous No.10611467]

>>10611342
It's a ripoff of Ripley in Alien but it would have made the stealth section in Zero Mission more tense.

[Anonymous No.10611472]

>>10611404
Captain N's Samus was the best version. She was a selfish shithead who lived up to the bounty hunter gig.

[Anonymous No.10611484]

>>10611472
I think Metroid is a pretty cool guy.

[Anonymous No.10611629]

>>10611204
The original does have a save system. The NES cart is not the original game

[Anonymous No.10611634]

>>10611629
Were difficulty changes made to accommodate the lack of save system or did Westerners just get the more difficult version?

[Anonymous No.10611657]

>>10611634
Nope. There’s a lot of subtle differences but where difficulty is concerned, it’s about the same

[Anonymous No.10611676]

>>10611657
enemy movement and attacks have more rng in fds version, kinda sucks ngl
passwords are better anyway

[Anonymous No.10611709]

>>10611676
How are passwords better? It just seems far more inconvenient unless you want to cheat and use someone else's.

[Anonymous No.10611713]

>>10611709
The Metroid password system is notoriously clownshit so you can get a shit ton of effects and bizarre, normally impossible scenarios. It makes it a fun curiosity.

[Anonymous No.10611716]

>>10611709
Renting games was the norm back then so passwords were often more convenient than save files.

[Anonymous No.10611723]

>>10611716
>Renting games was the norm back then
People owned nothing and were happy about it?

[Anonymous No.10611761]

>>10611723
r/greentext people usually stay on rk9, how did you end up here?

[Anonymous No.10611781]

>>10610269
Do you?

[Anonymous No.10611825]

>>10610269
Yes, because nip nongs never played the American romhack that had a suitless Samus feature.

[Anonymous No.10611845]

>>10610387
The worse fucking part is that they brought it back but made it into a Zero Suit reskin for what so ever reason.
But her GBA-era tanktops are somewhat fine...

MercurySteam actually did saucy stuff before, so i think it's just Sakamoto autism or potentially Nintendo freaking out over what CERO will do to Metroid releases.

[Anonymous No.10611870]

>>10611102
Find me a Nintendo title that doesn't feature the meme heels Other M introduced and Smash 4 redesigned.
Even the MS games have heels, but thankfully she not some stick womanlet whore wearing rocket boots in those games.

[Anonymous No.10611873]

>>10611404
>generic anime
>post generic westaboo mangaka art

[Anonymous No.10611884]

>>10611404
The SM comic Benimaru Itoh drew was Other M's source material for everything wrong in the series.
Same with Zero Mission and the manga adaptation, which also borrowed from the SM comic.

[Anonymous No.10611886]

>>10611472
Funny how a comic was even better than the actual show.

[Anonymous No.10611891]

>>10610738
/thread

[Anonymous No.10611928]

>>10611723
People were 8 years old and carts were expensive

[Anonymous No.10611932]

>>10611845
Underwear Samus was sexy and they probably got away with it on game boy because of lack of oversight. Overall Nintendo is sexless, so Samus has to be in athletic wear

[Anonymous No.10611975]

>>10611845
100% CERO, I recall Sakurai making jokes on the Smash reveals at the expense of CERO's rules becoming ever so stricter (i.e. "Mai isn't here because Smash is a game for good boys and girls", even though Bayonetta is)

[Anonymous No.10612060]

>>10610269
>Did it really need to exist?
What other coomer bait did the GBA have? And don't name some obscure bootleg that's probably a Pokémon hack.

[Anonymous No.10612110]

>>10612060
If ZM is coomer bait then the situation on that platform is dire

[Anonymous No.10612127]

>Samus getting shot down and reduced to nothing but her bare essentials and still coming out alive and completing her mission makes her LESS badass actually because I'm scared of women and sex.

Lol. You zoomers are a laugh riot.

[Anonymous No.10612158]

>>10610428
it aint that deep, she was in her underwear in the original games because that's what happened at the end of the movie Alien to Ripley

[Anonymous No.10612192]

>>10612158
Believe it or not.

[Anonymous No.10612515]

>>10611975
I don't think a lot of westerners realize how much CERO affected the industry. Since CERO is stricter than PEGI and the ESRB and any Japanese game has to go through it first, it means that CERO is effectively worldwide and subsumes the more lenient ratings boards overseas.

[Anonymous No.10612559]

>>10612515
In general, Japanese media watchdogs have gotten SUPER strict, they began slowly but surely gaining a lot of say against violent content on Japanese videogames, tv series and anime, depiction of suggestive themes and others.
Japanese laws in regards custom vehicles, for example, have gotten so strict, the TV Show Kamen Rider hasn't been able to do bike stunts since the early 00's due to this, and sometimes they gotta justify somehow being on a racing circuit just to be able to film shit, or else rely on CGI.

[Anonymous No.10612607]

>>10612559
Yup, sometime after the Pokemon seizure incident Japan went through an intense "protect the children" movement and like any such movement, vastly over did it. Because of CERO even Z rated games like God of War had to have the boobs censored and even then the game had to be sold from behind the counter at shops as if it were a porn mag. Mortal Kombat used to be released over there but once CERO came into effect they didn't bother even trying.

[Anonymous No.10612617]

>>10611404
You should feel free to enjoy whatever you like, but claiming that Amazon Samus is the only true Samus is insane.
You're talking about an interpretation of a character the original creators had nothing to do with, and which appeared exclusively on two pages of a strategy guide released in an entirely different country. It is as close to fanfiction as a piece of official media can get.
I could just as easily say that the only true Samus is the one from the 1994 manga Marumaru to Marumaru who wears pretty dresses and likes going on long walks in flowery fields and be no less wrong.

[Anonymous No.10612646]

>>10612617
It's definitely wrong, doesn't suit the character at all
Metroid is a tribute/ripoff (depending how generous you're willing to be) of western sci-fi films like Alien anyway according to the series creator, so Samus being a tall buff western woman makes far more sense than being a skinny little anime waif that is nonthreatening enough for Japanese manlets to want to become the imaginary husbands of

[Anonymous No.10612658]

I got bored after 15 minutes, does it get better?

[Anonymous No.10612662]

>>10612658
No, we're all just pretending to enjoy it, you've seen through the ruse. But don't let it get out, otherwise we won't be able to trick other people.

[Anonymous No.10612667]

>>10610269
I cant tolerate the NES game. The graphics are mediocre and the music is repetitive. I can hardly stand it in the GBA version.

[Anonymous No.10612671]

>>10612667
They’re different games though

[Anonymous No.10612752]

>>10612662
Makes sense to me, I've seen anons do this with Final Fantasy games before.

[Anonymous No.10612816]

>>10612646
I think the great thing about Samus as a character is that's she's presented in a kind of vague way that lets you project your ideal woman onto her.
The only things about her that are really set in stone is that she's confident, tough, unshakeable, and not really a people person.
Some people stop there, but I also really like the contrast of that with her also being an elegant, somewhat feminine, very very sexy woman. One that possibly longs to be a normal girl somewhere deep down. There's something about a woman who has an unbreakable armor shell that she sometimes steps out of, just for a while, that I find beautiful.

My interpretation of her isn't the closest to the source material (and I would argue yours isn't either) but that's okay. Art is a collaborative process. A team of artists made Samus and her games. The team's last member is you, filling in the gaps with your imagination.
It's quite silly to say that the only people who understand Samus are the ones who consider everything released after the 1994 Super Metroid Nintendo Player's Guide to be noncanon. That's just one of many possible viewpoints, different ways to "fill in the gaps". No more right or less wrong than mine.

By the way, if the image I used with this post makes you gag, feel free to direct your abuse at me, because it's fanart I personally drew of her ~six years ago.

[Anonymous No.10613606]

>it’s another jump scare boss fight

[Anonymous No.10613613]

>>10613606
That piece of shit definitely jumpscared me my first playthrough.

[Anonymous No.10613621]

>>10612816
Peak Samus is this to me. I believe it was also this manga that has a closeup shot of Samus and someone mentioning she has kind, gentle eyes.
Though I'm also a complete sucker when she's depicted as an intimidating armored menace. I still think about her walk cycle in this video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6wzzPE87Pw

That's the good shit to me. Though that old fanart of yours is good too.
I just really like Metroid in general.

[Anonymous No.10613629]

>>10612646
>a tall buff western woman
I don't know if it's buff necessarily as much as her extraordinary nature as some kind of enhanced alien human hybrid lending itself to an extraordinary tall lithe physique.

[Anonymous No.10613663]

>>10611825
>>they drew the nips so high...

[Anonymous No.10614016]

>>10612816
I like the way you put it.

[Anonymous No.10614198]

>>10612816
I think what puts people off is that because of the nature of long running video game franchises that started on the NES, you had a bunch of establishing games that did as you say: leave it relatively vague, but then the Gamecube era rolled around and suddenly there's a lore dump and now that version of the character from 2004 or whatever has become the standard ever since by whoever at the company happened to be the one at the reigns that day and commandeered the franchise. This kind of thing happened to most of these games like Zelda and Castlevania. If you happen to not like that ONE decision in that ONE game, well fuck you I guess because now you're going to be seeing it for the rest of time.

[Anonymous No.10614785]

>>10614198
Whoever came up with those changes to Metroid and to Samus’s design in 2004 is a genius, because it made the character marketable and popular where she was mostly cryptic before.

[Anonymous No.10615612]

>>10614198
That's very fair. If you came into the series in the 80's or 90's and the new stuff never clicked for you, and you're stuck just gritting your teeth about it forever, you'd be right to feel pretty sour about it.
My first exposure to Metroid was Super Smash Bros. on the 64 so I never had that disconnect myself. I am very proud to have had the magic moment where I always played Samus thinking he was a cool action dude and when my cousin told me she was a girl I said nuh uh and told him he was a liar. I think that's the most important part of the Metroid experience so I'm happy I didn't miss out on it.
I also had an older sibling who always picked Mario and made me be Luigi. Irreplaceable memories, those two. You can have the biggest CRT or the best retroarch setup in the world, but you'll never be able to recreate that.

I think Metroid fans were treated pretty well though. If you don't like Zero Mission, you have Fusion. If you aren't fond of Fusion you have Prime. If you hate prime you've got romhacks and AM2R. If you can't stand fangames there's Metroid Prime Pinball. If you don't play pinball either there's like, two dozen fuckin' manga and they're all different and you're bound to like at least one. Maybe it ain't the perfect situation for everyone but it could've been way worse.