/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10601074]

How much of the actual japanese video game history and it's mythos is distorted by the fact that japanese work ethic/culture is a hellish mobbing combined with bootlicking? Everyone faps to Miyamoto or Yokoi for them being the sole geniuses behind certain Nintendo games or products, but how deep it really goes? How many people actually worked their asses off, so that their bosses could become a worldwide legends? Everyone knows that japanese work culture is very authoritarian and bootlicking when it comes to obeying your boss and dealing with the strong mobbing, so what are the possibilities that most notorious Nintendo legends take too much credit for the work they haven't done?

[Anonymous No.10601080]

>>10601074
That's pretty much a global phenomenon. And it's usually more complex than "XYZ did all the work and his boss takes the credit"

[Anonymous No.10601083]

Takashi Tezuka is the one who actually designed most of Mario and Zelda.

[Anonymous No.10601121]

>>10601074
This post makes me giggle because I immediately think of Tommy Tallarico who is credited for a lot of songs he didn't actually compose, and to some extent Keiji Inafune who designed Mega Man but didn't actually make the games. Conversely I feel like Naoto Ohshima gets almost no credit for designing Sonic the character and there is a woman who spent like a year designing Green Hill Zone whose name I always forget

[Anonymous No.10601139]

Honestly AI can make more natural and human sounding posts than some people on this board at this point.

[Anonymous No.10601142]

>>10601083
At first, probably.
I already know that much of Japanese work culture has been focused on substantial, if not severely crazy mobbing and authoritarian in many aspects for quite a long time. The work culture doesn't have the exact same level of mobbing regardless of occupation, though its best to not tip workers in most cases.

[Anonymous No.10601198]

>>10601139
AI is trained on human inputs dummy

[Anonymous No.10601225]

>>10601074
A lot.

[Anonymous No.10601276]

>>10601139

I haven't seen any AI-produced text yet that mimics the numerous ESL patterns OP shows. It always seems to use excellent grammar. I'm not an expert though - maybe it could simulate this OP if it were explicitly told to pretend to be a semi-educated European or South American or something.

[Anonymous No.10601280]

>>10601142
>mobbing

That's not the word we'd normally use in English for whatever you're trying to say. What do you mean by it?

[Anonymous No.10601308]

>>10601074
>japanese work ethic/culture
I remember reading an interview with a programmer on the NES Rockman games. He was asked how they were shitting these out in six months.
"I wake up, crawl out from under my work desk, start working, take a short break for ramen or a convenience store snack, work until I'm about to fall asleep, then crawl back under my desk."

[Anonymous No.10601776]

>>10601139
>>10601276
ESLs have been around since the creation of this site but the act of complaining about them non-stop has started 1 or 2 years ago. Why the sudden bitching?

[Anonymous No.10601783]

>>10601080
This. Similar shit happened in America all the time and still happens.
It becomes extremely hilarious when the end product sucks and instead of glory, the guy gets all the blame.

[Anonymous No.10601787]

>>10601776
Low quality posting went up.

[Anonymous No.10601791]

>>10601787
That's a zoomer problem, not an ESL problem.

[Anonymous No.10601801]

>>10601791
It's both, because their English sucks

[Anonymous No.10601813]

This thread reeks of korean schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.10601881]

>>10601308
I heard a programmer for Mario 64 left the business after the game was done. Not sure if it was verified.

[Anonymous No.10601891]

>>10601308
>>10601881
The joint Japan/USA venture that was Sonic 2 had both staff shocked at how the others behaved. US staff was floored Japanese staff stayed their to the dead of the night to keep working on the project, Japanese staff was completely shocked that the Americans could just leave when their shift was over.

[Anonymous No.10601906]

>>10601121
In the case of Inafune, the credit I think he does deserve is making the series go on, when MM8 and X4 fell under sales expectations, he managed to convince the execs to not close shop on Mega Man and work with Kaji and Meijin, alongside the X4/8/Legends 2 team on Battle Network. He also did design enemies and bosses alongside Kaji, but outside of MM3 and MMX1 he wasn't the director of the games.

[Anonymous No.10601916]

>>10601308
The Rockman 7 dev cycle was so infamous that's when recently-hired Takuya Aizu decided to listen to Inafune's "if you don't like it, make your own" and took away the 7 and X2 staff to make Inti Creates, leading to X3 needing to be outsourced while a new team for X4 was being assambled.

[Anonymous No.10601921]

>>10601776
As an ESL, I like ESL roasting. Some posts have basic mistakes that even I get angry. It also forces me to improve ESL. I started picking up subtle differences in English just to not get called saar. Let me guess, last sentence sounds a bit unnatural? Sorry. I still have to improve.

[Anonymous No.10602007]

>>10601906
This. Inafune's thing was making sure that MegaMan stayed as the flagship of Capcom's console games; which is why he's considered the "Father of Mega Man". Its easier to say that than to go over what he actually did. To be fair, a lot of stuff in the Complete Works book shows that he's fine with giving credit where credit is due

[Anonymous No.10602021]

>>10601921
Stop being a frognigger.

[Anonymous No.10602024]

>>10601921
If you want to improve stop frogposting

[Anonymous No.10602025]

>>10601074
The Japanese working conditions would have been there regardless. Nintendo was a toy company though so it's likely the video game stuff was largely a side gig at first, meaning guys like Miyamoto and Yokoi likely did have a lot of autonomy as those things usually go. It's like how Shrek started off as the loser gig while the "real" work at Dreamworks was Prince of Egypt.

[Anonymous No.10602028]

>>10601083
This isn't super clear. Miyamoto definitely drew stage layouts on graph paper but its not clear which stages or how many. It's probably some fraction shared between them.

[Anonymous No.10602053]

It was all pretty fucking horrible. Not every publisher actually programmed their own games and there were tons of games made on such insane crunches that staffers had to literally live at their desks for months at a time.
If you ever wonder why there's rarely interviews with old programmers from that time, it's because they all fucking hated it and bailed out as soon as they could. People like Miyamoto and the gang stuck around because they got in the boss chair early on and got to ride the crest of being the faces of Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.10602084]

>>10602053
>rarely interviews with old programmers
How many old Japanese gaming magazines have you read? Or are you basing this on Nintendo Power not transkating and publishing interviews which wouldn't have interested the parochial and xenophobic American children?

[Anonymous No.10602093]

>>10602084
I worded that wrong; I was meaning that that's the reason why you don't get many modern interviews from random programmers from back then. I don't think anyone's going to get someone from Micronics or TOSE from back in the 80s to do interview nowadays. Most seemed to bail out of the industry by the 90s.

[Anonymous No.10602108]

>>10601074
>Everyone faps to Miyamoto or Yokoi for them being the sole geniuses behind certain Nintendo games or products, but how deep it really goes? How many people actually worked their asses off, so that their bosses could become a worldwide legends?
Dude, you could ask this for literally any project that requires a team of people. Shows and movies that are a culmination of different writers and staff contributing their own ideas and criticisms, and then one guy gets the main credit and has sole influence on a sequel that ends up sucking. American comics are filled with moments of one guy doing most of the work, and the other guy taking credit and all the money too.
Japan is not unique in that aspect, but yeah the work culture sucks ass and there were some companies that had policies where programmers were not even allowed to have their names in the credits, I think Konami was one

[Anonymous No.10602114]

>>10601776
>Why the sudden bitching?
This site always makes up shit to get made at. Biggest example is the forced meme that is "reddit spacing"

[Anonymous No.10602117]

>>10602114
>get made at
Mad, also English is my first and only language, go look at how a boomer types sometimes

[Anonymous No.10602327]

>>10601074
Oriental countries just have bureaucraties instead of the Faustian spirit

[Anonymous No.10602367]

>>10601074
>le japanese work ethic
>hard work bad
I don't give a rat's ass about their work culture burning out lower level coders and other highly replaceable drones as long as the end product for me, the consumer, is of high quality.

The types that tend to care about this shit are also the types to take estrogen injections.

Besideswhich, that's how it is in the movie industry as well, the director and the main actors are the ones who are credited the most despite productions having a lot of staff from location scouts to stagehands and such. Why should it be any different for videogames which are also an entertainment media?

[Anonymous No.10602383]

>>10601787
Low quality posting went up a decade ago

[Anonymous No.10602404]

>>10601074
>notorious Nintendo legends take too much credit for the work they haven't done?
They simply don't, all the bullshit is coming from bad journalists and baseless rumors. If you've actually read any in depth interviews with them they regularly acknowledge things done by their teams and other co-workers.
What you are complaining about is 3rd party stories and rumors and assuming ill intent on people who have nothing to do with any of that.
Don't put words in people's mouths and then pretend they said these things years later with no proof.

[Anonymous No.10602419]

he looks like chinese dictator

[Dave No.10602438]

>>10601074
same with Kojima. Massive faggot.

[Anonymous No.10602569]

>>10601776
ESLs in general have been getting increasingly proficient at shitposting which means the only fallback is calling them ESLs. The issue is that the large majority of native English posters also post like ESLs, so you get a feedback loop.
The solution is to kill all Americans (Caribs and Africans too, but they don't post much), not just the ones that post here. Killing ESLs won't work, there are too many of them and some of them are literal roaches.
Alternatively we can settle for Nigerian Pidgin English, this will allow many Native English speakers to broaden their horizons and 4chan will be funny for at least a week.

[Anonymous No.10602650]

>>10601139
OP here
well yeah english isn't my native language so maybe some sentences may sound off-kilter to you but still my input to this board was more worthwhile and thought-provoking than your neurotic reddit-tier trash talk, so fuck off

[Anonymous No.10602692]

>>10602569
Unmedicated post.

[Anonymous No.10602718]

>>10602692
Dis post be wayo.

[Anonymous No.10602771]

>>10601921
If only. A couple of years ago you would have your mistakes corrected by other anons, now they just scream "ESL ESL ESL!" and make no attempt to correct you so you're left in the same place you were before while solving none of the issues they have.

[Anonymous No.10602774]

>>10601074
We'll never know. Gaming is such a collaborative effort that even if you know the exact role of each individual you'll never know who actually came up with all the good stuff, it could just be some guy on the team.

[Anonymous No.10602780]

>>10602367
In films directors are the ones actually directing everyone on set in the moment. It's all in front of them and they have absolute control. Directors in games try to be in charge of the project but they don't really know what the fuck texture artist A or animator B are doing exactly at any given time. They don't have that direct immediate control, they wish they did.

[Anonymous No.10602781]

>>10601074
>Everyone knows
You don't know a goddamn thing. I've lived in Japan for 20 years and you're a fucking idiot. Stop making any posts about a country you've never been to when you've never left your suburban basement bubble. That's all.

[Anonymous No.10602807]

>>10602781
>ummm I worked in the Japanese office of a multinational corporation for decades and this multinational corporation isn't any different from the other ones

[Anonymous No.10603905]

>>10601074
Jesus Christ, just shut the fuck up about Japan. It's like this on every fucking board.

[Anonymous No.10604076]

>>10603905
weeb website, don't like it? fuck off

[Anonymous No.10604079]

>>10604076
american website, weeb.

[Anonymous No.10604083]

>>10604079
american website designed after japanese imageboard 2chan, try again dick breath.

[Anonymous No.10604135]

It's Satoru Okada the real inventor of the game boy

Gunpei yokoi was planning to make a Game&watch type console
It's Okada who push for a Famicom portable

[Anonymous No.10604161]

>>10601921
>SUCH basic mistakes

[Anonymous No.10604204]

>>10601921
Always remember that you can't trust your own intuition. You must always double-check lest you bring shame and embarrassment to your posts. Also, you should type in a more formal tone, it feels like you're recycling your native way of speaking.

[Anonymous No.10604227]

>>10604161
>>10604204
I appreciate you both. The English language is fantastic. It is significantly superior than my mother tongue. As a result, I utilize it for all of my media consumption.

[Anonymous No.10604379]

>>10601074
>Everyone knows that japanese work culture is very authoritarian and bootlicking when it comes to obeying your boss and dealing with the strong mobbing
Reminder that Matsuno literally quit Square-Enix because it WASN'T like that, it was actually more democratic of a system in how people gave input, and he was butthurt that he couldn't just demand like a dictator whatever he wanted out of his team when in charge of FF12.

[Anonymous No.10604380]

>>10601906
>>10602007
Is it really praiseworthy to be the Rick Berman of Mega Man though?

[Anonymous No.10604382]

Miyamoto is the Stan Lee of Video Games he never worked for shit except for maybe in the first Mario game for the NES

[Anonymous No.10604392]

>>10604382
>Miyamoto is the Stan Lee of Video Games he never worked for shit
Ok ignoring Miyamoto for a second here. Yes, Stan Lee never drew the comics himself. However, the only fucking reason Spider-Man exists is because Lee didn't listen to Jack Kirby when pitching the idea to Ditko, because Kirby thought it was fucking stupid and wanted him to be as muscled as Colossus with a different backstory.

[Anonymous No.10604406]

>>10601121
>This post makes me giggle because I immediately think of Tommy Tallarico who is credited for a lot of songs he didn't actually compose
It's not the same. Tommy didn't just ride on their success for the longest time, he actively downplayed what anyone else contibuted so he could appear as the sole genius.

Do you know who Tommy Tallarico is most like? Gene Roddenberry. The creator of Star Trek was the epitome of creators who take credit for everything. Gene was a colossal money grubbing asshole who couldn't keep it in his pants, but he was personally affable and knew how to manipulate a narrative so it's not really until the late 90s/early 00s that people started realizing his detractors weren't people with an ax to grind but rather people with legit grievances over how they were treated. Gene had a habit for if not taking credit for everything, at the very least downplaying the contributions of everyone else. Another thing Gene used to do wasn't so much 'claim' authorship, but more he'd let other people accidentally attribute that authorship to him and simply fail to correct them. For example, the myth surrounding the addition of Worf to the cast. After the character was accepted warmly by the fans, Roddenberry allowed them to believe that Worf was his idea, without correcting them about the truth. When the factual evidence later came out, it showed that it was Bob Justman who conceived the character, and he and Rick Berman who pushed for Worf's addition to the cast. Roddenberry was against it all the way.

Aside from the rewrites and the pushing his way into royalties that didn't belong to him, this is the kind of thing that went on, and with each passing generation the myth grew until it was believed unquestionably.

[Anonymous No.10604414]

>>10604380
I mean, for better or worse he refined the look of what would become classic Mega Man, added the Mega Buster and gave plenty of Input, the biggest of them being the creation of Elec Man. Clearly he did enough to be allowed to reign over the series following Kitamura's departure.

It always stuck me as interesting how in the "Complete History of Japanese Game Development" book, Inafune speaks very, very highly of Akira Kitamura and mentioning all "lessons" he gave the team, while one of the Capcom producers of that time does nothing but spew venom at the guy saying he was "weak".

[Anonymous No.10604418]

>>10604414
No I mean he's the Rick Berman of Mega Man as in, "everyone on-set hated his guts, but he was the guy who barged into the producer's office and fought for more MM games to be made more than anyone else." As Nimoy once said, "without Rick Berman to keep Star Trek alive, there would've been no Star Trek for Rick Barman to kill"

[Anonymous No.10604441]

>>10601121
Reminder that Tommy:
-Claimed he was the first western person EVER to work on the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, because he worked on Sonic and the Black Knight (Wii) despite Americans working on Sonic in the early 90s.
-Claimed he and Shigeru Miyamoto are close friends because he was contracted to make some sound effects for Metroid Prime. When devs involved with the project were asked, they said none of his work made it in and they barely remember seeing him at all.
-Claimed he was the one who came up with the idea for making the original Prince of Persia a mostly silent game (of course a music producer would suggest this) even though his only involvement was porting the DOS game's music to the Game Boy game.
-Stole a banjo song from some random guy's demo reel and called it Andy Asteroids

Also not-vidya:
-Tommy claims his parents never ever drank alcohol on the Atari Age forums, then across several interviews stated that his mother would drink wine with her friends and play Wii
-Claimed he was an MLB Hall of Famer, and his proof was a ring that conveniently out-of-framed the part of the ring that said 'Fantasy Camp'

And most importantly
-Is being sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars because he decided to rent furniture for his giant office, and is defending himself with the argument that "They should have known not to lend me money."

[Anonymous No.10604474]

>>10604441
>-Claimed he was the first western person EVER to work on the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, because he worked on Sonic and the Black Knight (Wii)
Fun fact: Sonic fans decided to deep dive that and it turns out his "work" was just submitting pre-existing songs other people in his studio made. He didn't do a damn thing for Sonic and the Black Knight.
https://twitter.com/SonicMusicFacts/status/1742967081958613325

[Anonymous No.10604492]

>>10604474
Honestly that isn't even important because his claim is instantly defeated by the fact that we know Michael Jackson worked on Sonic 3.

[Anonymous No.10604494]

>>10604418
But that's not the case, Hayato Kaji and Inafune remain in touch, Manami Matsumae despite not wanting to work with Capcom returned for 10 and MN9/MGVB and Naoya Tomita and Masakazu Eguchi kept mentioning how work flow suffered since he oversaw many projects simultaneously and it's hard to replace.

Hell, the former, Tomita, back during the controversial days, mentioned exactly it was Inafune who help nurture the series the most left it became an artifact of the Famicom's mid-life period and forgotten after that. And Aizu remains his drinking budddy so I doubt he was actually hated within the staff. If anyone hated Inafune, it was most likely the upper suits, especially if we go by Aizu's account because he brought him and Tsuda back with their studio Inti Creates to make the Zero series and there was much anger because they're all ex-employees and back then Japanese society heavily shunned workers quitting companies and starting their own in the same business.

In the end, love him, hate him or being indiferent, the series was what suffered the most. 11 was 6 years ago, and Inti was very ill-equipped to create a 3D graphics sidescroller + ports.

[Anonymous No.10604501]

>>10604492
It's instantly defeated because Sonic 2.

[Anonymous No.10604565]

>>10601074
Its not so bad these days but holy shit anyone growing up in the 90s and early 2000s would know that pretty much any Nintendo game that came out all of the press around it said shit like "Miyamotos Newest Masterpiece" or "Miyamoto does it again" when in reality he had jack shit to do with it. Dudes last game where he was in the Directors chair was Mario 64. Everything else hes done has been as a supervisor or producer at best and theres plenty of games the press credited to him that he didn't even touch. It was a pretty harsh reality check when I got internet access and eventually learned he didn't do pretty much fucking anything and yet hes heralded as this Walt Disney of Gaming.

Heres another fun fact about Nintendo that really ripped a lot of the magic away for me. They didn't program pretty much any of their own games. All coding work was farmed out to a company called SRD who basically just makes a bunch of middleware and level editors for game engines they create and the actual people at Nintendo are basically just artists and level designers who put it all together from there. They very recently bought out SRD so now they technically are Nintendo employees but before that they were just a contracting company and they basically did all of the heavy lifting for them. You could say its not that big of a deal and hell it is standard practice these days but IDK man something about it really made me wake the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.10604573]

>>10601074
Shinto black magic

[Anonymous No.10604596]

When the superstar inevitably leaves, do the games get better or worse? That's usually how you tell.
Nintendo clearly lost something when Gunpei quit/died. It took them forever to get another Metroid game out, and then Sakamoto seemed to entirely misunderstand the series in several ways.
The last Zelda and Mario games Miyamoto had real directorial involvement with were the 64 ones, and they definitely represent a high water-mark for a lot of people.
Final Fantasy definitely lost something without Sakaguchi.
Id is pretty much irrelevant without the two Johns.

[Anonymous No.10604607]

>>10601074
Most of the world, for the entirety of human history, has been bootlickers.
You're a bootlicker. You could have done anything, but you made a post obsessing over someone that isn't a bootlicker.
And that's why people who lead get the majority of credit for bootlickers' work. No, not just because the bootlickers are subservient wimps, but because they're directionless chimps who wouldn't get shit done without a leader.

[Chud Anon No.10604904]

>>10601776
Because the number of you favela dwellers on here has exploded due to $20 android chink phones become prominent

[Anonymous No.10604923]

>>10604904
>due to $20 android chink phones become prominent
Back to skool, anon.

[Anonymous No.10604965]

>>10601074
>japanese work ethic/culture is a hellish
because they have to sit in the office for 8 hours while not doing any work but pretending to do so??

Sounds like the west tbdesu

[Anonymous No.10605107]

>>10604441
>and is defending himself with the argument that "They should have known not to lend me money."
actually lmao'd, thats like "your honor, i was just doing a little trolling" but irl

[Anonymous No.10605121]

>>10604904
>due to $20 android chink phones become prominent

[Anonymous No.10605141]

>>10601080
I mean, that's exactly what happens. CEOs are almost exclusively lazy McDonald's managers who contribute almost nothing.

[Anonymous No.10605249]

>>10601921
There was some old posts in forum that I liked that goes like this
>writes the best english grammar among most users
>ends with "Sorry for my bad english"
kek

[Anonymous No.10605559]

>>10604565
>Heres another fun fact about Nintendo that really ripped a lot of the magic away for me. They didn't program pretty much any of their own games. All coding work was farmed out to a company called SRD who basically just makes a bunch of middleware and level editors for game engines they create and the actual people at Nintendo are basically just artists and level designers who put it all together from there. They very recently bought out SRD so now they technically are Nintendo employees but before that they were just a contracting company and they basically did all of the heavy lifting for them. You could say its not that big of a deal and hell it is standard practice these days but IDK man something about it really made me wake the fuck up.
This is why their games are so good. Because the programmers are not in charge of game design. Contrast this with the USA where the programmers had the most say over the game design.

[Anonymous No.10605696]

>>10602771
Because shiteating ESL retards pollute literally any/every thread.

Go to /v/ and tell somebody the PS4 is outdatted trash and that support for it should be dropped by all releases going forwards. IMMEDIATELY you will get hit with favella monkey copes about how PS5 has no games or something.

[Anonymous No.10605708]

>>10604607
Yes but in Japan you're ostrasized for NOT licking the boot or ever speaking your mind. Japan is like if bootlicking was the expected etiquette and not just what happens quite often because people are weak and disgusting.

[Anonymous No.10605734]

>>10605696
>Go to /v/
apply the advice to yourself, and don't come back.

[Anonymous No.10605746]

>>10605734
Fuck off shit-for-brains. What are you ESL? Triggered by my mentioning of your poorfaggot compatriot's ways?

[Anonymous No.10605756]

>>10605746
I don't care what people on /v/ do.

[Anonymous No.10605762]

>>10605696
>PS4 is outdated trash
Where do you think you are

[Anonymous No.10605767]

>>10605762
Not relevant. Even /vr/ should want PS4 support dropped, because in 20 years when PS5 is "retro" the games for PS5 won't just be glorified PS4 games with RTX applied.

>>10605756
Then don't talk to me lol

[Anonymous No.10605771]

>>10604441
>Claimed he was an MLB Hall of Famer, and his proof was a ring that conveniently out-of-framed the part of the ring that said 'Fantasy Camp'

Imagine being so addicted to lying that you claim to be a member of a group with an extremely public and limited membership

[Anonymous No.10605774]

>>10601121
>>10604441
Good god, I thought the only major hits on his record were from the that Intellivision console scam...Hilarious.

[Anonymous No.10605775]

>>10601906
Yet when Street Fighter and DMC had a single game underperforming he did everything in his power to destroy these franchises, curious.

[Anonymous No.10606115]

>>10601776
>started 1 or 2 years ago. Why the sudden bitching?
Why the sudden newfaggotry?

[Anonymous No.10606126]

>>10605559
This. A lot of western games were made by people with backgrounds in software engineering and television manufacturing. It's why the earliest game consoles had controllers that resembled telephones. "Here's a dozen generic buttons. Use them however you want." Nintendo was a toy company first and foremost and brought a more intuitive eye to the industry.

[Anonymous No.10606138]

>>10604083
I love how upset they get when you suggest the site has things other than anime

[Anonymous No.10606156]

>>10606138
I love how upset they get when you suggest the site has anime

[Anonymous No.10606204]

I tend to distrust western journalism in video games after fiascos like "Miyamoto hates DKC!"
Just go to the japanese sources. The staff who worked on games produced by Miyamoto are all there for everyone to see, and nintendo was also one of the few companies that let their programmers and staff use their real first and last name on the game's credits.

[Anonymous No.10606221]

Nintendo is so odd. Every classic franchise they have is because some hungry passionate 30 year old was handed the reigns to a new project.

Now every game is overseen by a 60 or 70 year old member of the old guard. And it's all just new entries in those 30+ year old series. Maybe twice a generation they'll throw some crumbs and we'll get a Splatoon and Arms. But the other 40 games are old blood firmly in control.

[Anonymous No.10606231]

>>10605708
>but in Japan you're ostrasized
Same for everywhere else, people just go about it differently depending on socioeconomic factors.

[Anonymous No.10606235]

>>10606231
No, it's not the same because Japan is much much more uniform. Of course non bootlicks get less support and help, it's just that in Japan, 99% of people are licking the boot, so you stand out SO intensely. Other places the kiss ass ratio is much lower.

Japan used to be a culture where if you were embarassing, they'd hand you a knife and you'd have to ritually disembowel yourself. That's how much they care about conformity, appearances and hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.10606238]

>>10605559
>the game designer didn't program the game
>the movie director didn't build the set themselves

[Anonymous No.10606239]

>>10606235
In America they do the same thing just in a different way. They fire you and take away your health insurance.

[Anonymous No.10606249]

>>10606239
>They fire you and take away your health insurance.
That's not the same as handing you a knife and expecting you to cut two huge lateral lines in your gut and bleed out sperg

[Anonymous No.10606305]

>>10606204
Western Video Game "Journalism" didn't exist until the 2000s anyway. You talk to anyone back in the 90s who worked on EGM, Game Pro, and the like, and they'll straight up admit that they were just ad-men being paid to shill products.
Zelda II, the most hated game in the series, stayed on Nintendo Power's Top 20 Games for NES from the moment it came out until Dec of 1994 when they stopped polling NES games. NONE of it was to be believed.

[Anonymous No.10606312]

>>10606221
Splatoon was the last game they did that with and you can tell by the 3rd game that they're basically rehashing Japanese youth culture from 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.10606398]

>>10606238
Please state your view more clearly than a vague greentext.

[Anonymous No.10606405]

>>10606305
Achshually a lot of what you saw in EGM was a translation of Famitsu coverage.
Source: I figured it out a while back.

[Anonymous No.10606439]

>>10606305
>Zelda II, the most hated game in the series
Literally just a good game that loads of people liked.

A lot of the hate for Zelda II came later. It was people looking back at the earlier games after the Zelda formula was more of a set in stone thing, and saying "what the fuck? That isn't Zelda!".

[Anonymous No.10606597]

>>10605249
The problem is that when I make mistakes, I sound like an alien. My mother tongue is not Indo-European. If I post without checking, sometimes it's so bad that I feel ashamed when I read them. I'm getting better. Still, there are times where what I write is just nonsense.

[Anonymous No.10606701]

>>10604227
It is superior, but its pronunciation was seriously fucked up since the XVI century.... too many faggots moving to town and poorly mimicking accents, what a mess.
I'm Europoor but we don't have spelling contests here, as they would be senseless... the way you say a word is also the way you write
But I digress

[Anonymous No.10606712]

>>10606204
>western journalism in video games
Literally faggots in basements trying to sound learned people while playing with a late 20th century electronic evolution of children's toys

[Anonymous No.10606767]

>>10601308
>"I wake up, crawl out from under my work desk, start working, take a short break for ramen or a convenience store snack, work until I'm about to fall asleep, then crawl back under my desk."
Reminds me of an old X Play episode.

[Anonymous No.10607158]

>>10601083
>>10602028
I hate that I didn't save the interview, but Miyamoto himself blatantly said in an old interview that he feels Takashi Tezuka shaped Mario more than he did

[Anonymous No.10607370]

>>10601776
EOP zoomer mutts realized they were the only people in the world along chinks to only speak one language and that makes them malding bad

[Anonymous No.10607398]

>>10605771
Especially considering of all sports out there, Baseball is called the thinking man's game for a reason, it's a fucking ton of number crunching and thus it tends to attract a lot of autists among its fans. If ANYONE is going to actually fact check that shit when Tommy claims it, it'd be them.

[Anonymous No.10607406]

>>10605775
Shame he didn't do that for Dead Rising, a franchise he actually did have a lot of input on. Hell I even really like 2/OTR, but they needed to stop after that.

[Anonymous No.10607413]

>>10606126
I think he was trying more to make the comparison to people like John Carmack who made very technically impressive games that felt like a step back inm terms of being fun from the days when he wasn't calling every shot.

[Anonymous No.10607417]

>>10606235
>Japan used to be a culture where if you were embarassing, they'd hand you a knife and you'd have to ritually disembowel yourself. That's how much they care about conformity, appearances and hierarchy.
Only imperial japan expected that of the average person, back when the samurai were the actual people expected to do it, the average person thought seppuku was this wierd crazy shit that only samurai did.

[Anonymous No.10607423]

>>10606221
You literally described what happened to the music industry in the US by the late 70s and didn't go away until like the mid 2000s, Frank Zappa talked about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

[Anonymous No.10607431]

>>10607370
When one country basically made everyone else speak their language, they never really needed to learn another one. Like 90% of the world speaks either English, French, Spanish, or some form of Chinese.

[Anonymous No.10607440]

>>10607423
>and didn't go away until like the mid 2000s
It never went away. There is never going to be another Michael Jackson or Ray Charles or Radiohead because no producer wants to take a chance on a risk like that again, and people who get big on spotify can never truly compete with someone who has industry backing.

[Anonymous No.10607571]

>>10601121
Weren't teams making those games so small that we know exactly who did what?

[Anonymous No.10607574]

>>10607440
Where did this reluctance to take risks, that seemingly every business has now, come from? It seems like a relatively new phenomenon. Or at least, the ubiquity of it does.

[Anonymous No.10607662]

>>10607413
That's exactly what I'm referring to.

[Anonymous No.10608313]

>>10607431
>one country
TWO countries. Respect your elders, zoomie!

[Anonymous No.10608335]

>>10607158
Also Yoichi Kotabe.

[Anonymous No.10608412]

>>10601074
You can probably give a ton of credit to playtesting loops, it doesn't take a genius to make good changes based on good feedback but that is utterly invisible to outside criticism

[Anonymous No.10608591]

>>10607574
See >>10607423
tl;dr Because back in the day, the cigar-chomping bigwigs in charge of the industry didn't know shit about what people wanted. So they heard a new sound and went, "I don't fucking know, MAYBE the kids like it, put it out there and see what happens."
Now the bigwigs are people who got into the industry being given the chance and they think "nah, *I* know what the kids like, I was a pioneer in that shit after all, this new shit will never catch on"

[Anonymous No.10608620]

>>10601074
In defense of Miyamoto, he's actually generational talent, or at least he was. He's hard-wired for game design; I've watched interviews from people who've worked with him and they basically said that nearly all the advice he gives for how to improve a game is the right thing to do. But >>10606221 is right too, Ninty depends too much on old talent that's starting to misfire. If Iwata was still alive, he'd probably start producing turds too.

[Anonymous No.10608624]

>>10602771
The /pol/ification of 4chan and its consequences have been a disaster for vidya discussions

[Anonymous No.10608627]

>>10608620
>If Iwata was still alive, he'd probably start producing turds too.
The WiiU. Which don't get me wrong, I liked it fine as a console, but it was an objective failure for the company.

[Anonymous No.10609240]

>>10602021
>>10602024
nta that but I will never stop frog posting now that you've said this

[Anonymous No.10609261]

>>10609240
Then, congrats to them. They got what they wanted, and you fell for it.

[Anonymous No.10609350]

>>10608627
It was a failure mostly because of marketing. Its like the dreamcast, the thing itself was solid.

[Anonymous No.10609354]

>>10609350
And yet the third parties kept crying because it wasn't "as powerful as PS4/One" despite for years going "all we need is a Wii capable of HD".

[Anonymous No.10609358]

>>10609354
Yeah same as dreamcast. It also came out first like the dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.10609904]

>>10601280
Not ESLAnon but I suspect he means peer pressure.

[Anonymous No.10609952]

>>10608335
The fuck is this picture, man?

[Anonymous No.10611998]

>>10609952
NTA but Yoichi Kotabe drew both Heidi and Mario's design from SMB2 USA onwards.

[Anonymous No.10612019]

>>10611998
I was high and thought that was the girl from Grave of the Fireflies. Looked like Mario was gonna recreate the marble scene with the koopa shell. Just being autistic, don't mind me.

[Anonymous No.10612062]

>>10601776
I have been complaining about people (You)ing me with either non-sequitur garbage or mindless rehashes of their previous posts because they couldn't actually read my post for significantly longer than 2 years. Of course half of those are also bots just randomly quoting posts to draw more attention.

[Anonymous No.10612201]

>>10601139
>>10601776
Am I retarded? I was born and raised in England and I didn't see anything wrong.

[Anonymous No.10612217]

>>10604441
>-Stole a banjo song from some random guy's demo reel and called it Andy Asteroids
Aww that sucks. Who's the original guy who made the song?

[Anonymous No.10613575]

>>10601139
Maybe your idea of human speech is warped

[Anonymous No.10613632]

Insecure dipshits who've never lived, worked, or married in japan have no place to whine about whatever problems their low-IQ rocketnews propaganda convinced them they have.

And any "but i taught english with jet for 2 years-" fags are even lower than that.

[Anonymous No.10614397]

>>10613632
Joke is on you, I've taught English (with jet) for THREE years now.

[Anonymous No.10615192]

>>10601139
>natural and human sounding posts

[Anonymous No.10615224]

Does Miyamoto even code at all?

[Anonymous No.10615512]

>>10612217
Tony Bernetich, 1 of the 2 guys who did most of EWJ's music. Here's the original AA
https://www.reverbnation.com/tonybernetich/song/5713891-bluegrass-banjo

[Anonymous No.10615524]

>>10605774
Tommy is a pathological liar, and the thing about pathological liars is they literally can't stop lying, they can't help it, they feel compelled to spin more lies that compound on each other.

[Anonymous No.10616056]

>>10601308
replace "work" with "play vidya" and you got how I spent my summer vacations as a wee lad.
I would do it all over again too if I was 9 again.

[Batowl No.10616060]

>>10601074
Who cares commie.

[Anonymous No.10616165]

>>10601280
It’s nazispeak for bullying

[Anonymous No.10616319]

>>10602021
>>10602024

[Anonymous No.10616329]

>>10616319
So you want someone else to kill you, got it

[Anonymous No.10616339]

you wanna-be gatekeeping faggots put more garbage on this board then the people youre trying to keep out. I swear to god its like fucking kentucky in here.

[Anonymous No.10616341]

>>10616329
I don't think you understand visual themes in art very well.

[Anonymous No.10616528]

>>10615224
Nope.

[Batowl No.10617879]

>>10616341
And I don't think you have a brain

[Anonymous No.10617892]

>>10615224
>>10616528
>Does Miyamoto even code at all?
>Nope.
Which is how the games got made.
Code tards would just argue about the "best" code to use until the inevitable circle jerk, to the point that they never get anything done because tech and market interests evolved beyond their knowledge base.