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>> No.1058625

http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/tvs/standardcrt/21-53cm-and-under/auction-628397228.htm

>> No.1058630

>>1058625
And?

>> No.1058643

muh 240p rendering
muh scanlines
muh round glass
muh autism

>> No.1059064

>>1058625

It look like a nice little set, even if it only seems to have composite and RF input, and that an RCA or Sony from the 70's/80's would be better for these kind of inputs (when you have an Atari 2600/Colecovision/NES~Famicom, this kind of set is necessary). However it could be a great TV for a nintendo 64.

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>>1058625
Pretty good deal..

>> No.1059095

>>1059092

Man, I love these kind of TVs! This is the perfect kind of set for Atari consoles, Pong machines, or old VCRs. I'd love to get one sometimes.

>> No.1059108

>>1059095
Me too, your right!

>> No.1059132

>>1058643
You seem lost. This is not /v/.

>> No.1059350

>>1059132
Moot said in a Q&A not to respond to a thread when someone posts in it just to rip on the thread itself / people in it. I've been waiting 12 hours to be able to post in this thread after doing my duty as told, no action was taken.

So whatever, if you're not going to hold up your end then I'm not going to abstain from posting when someone shits up a /vr/ general.

>> No.1059709

>take picture of CRT while naked
>don't realize your reflection is visible

>> No.1059771

>>1059709
Whereas there exist forums where CRTs are just a tool on which to play games to some people...a given, something as necessary and ordinary as breath itself. They take pictures of themselves naked in front of their arcade cabinets with 29" RGB monitors and they are girls. Probably not safe for the board there's some butty crack. Now they know about CRTs.

>> No.1059778

>>1059350

You're not supposed to respond to trolls, not the thread as a whole, retard. Is this your first day on 4chan?

>> No.1059814

Signs that a CRT monitor/TV is quality:

>Instead of being curved in both directions, it's only curved horizontally, or it's simply flatscreen
>No built-in signal cables
>Existence of BNC connectors
>Many controls on front panel

...what else?

>> No.1059831

>>1059814
>or it's simply flatscreen
There are a ridiculous number of cheap CRTs with flatscreens. They also tend to be more fragile.

>> No.1059834

>>1059778
Convenient for you then that I'm not allowed to respond to your garbage.

>> No.1059890

>>1058619
I really don't understand the obsession with CRT displays. High-end LCD displays have insignificant delays in response. They also don't absorb all of the light in the room an shine it into your eyes. I grew up with CRT displays on everything. As soon as LCD tech got good, I switched and never looked back. Newer tech will get even better, maybe even getting the response time down to complete negligibility. Micro LED displays get the sharp blacks and perfect colors. What is the point of going out of your way for a CRT (other than light gun games)?

>> No.1059908

>>1059890
Oh...one more thing. CRT screens are of such low energy efficiency (dat waste heat)...it ought to be a crime to run a CRT in the same building as central air.

>> No.1059927

>>1059890
>>1059908
Stick around and learn how wrong you are. LCDs have significant delays when displaying SD that you can easily see for yourself by playing any twitch game e.g. Punch-Out on an LCD and then a CRT and experiencing the obvious change in success. LCD also has extremely poor color intensity compared to CRTs. OLED and plasma are better in some of those departments, respectively but still not to CRT levels yet and both are less energy efficient.

Get a good Tron and see for yourself. It's not like they're expensive.

>> No.1059945

>>1059890
>>1059908
>double # tripfag
>clearly computer/internet security paranoid with his long code
>/g/ is back trolling you

>> No.1059949

>>1059927
I'm 26...I didn't get an LCD screen until 2007. Trust me...I know what CRTs are like. I know how you basically have to dedicate a room to them or else the glare makes them worthless. I know how fast old games look better (Sonic and and Blazing Star come to immediate mind). I just don't see myself running with an inefficient screen just for slightly clearer sprites. I even love playing retro games all the time (admittedly mostly emulated), but I think the glare issues with CRTs more than hinder them enough in the face of practically lightproof LCD screens.

>> No.1059961

>>1059945
Not paranoid, just don't feel as though I need full anonymity on non /b/ boards. Also, because I've decided to go by a moniker, I need that extra code to prove that if someone else calls themselves AnusMoony, that it isn't me.

>> No.1059979

>>1059949
Flatter screens have significantly less glare than old bulb-ends. Pretty much anything with component inputs will be vertically flat. If you really hate glare that much, polarizing filters are still out there dirt cheap and it can simulate the extremely narrow viewing angle you've obviously come to accept out of your LCD.

>> No.1060135

>>1059890

>sample and hold bullshit resulting in poor motion quality
>forced native resolution scaling
>TN panels have shit blacks and shit viewning angles, and usually pisspoor color
>IPS panels have shit response times, low refresh rates, making them shit for gaming

Sorry but you're an idiot if you think LCDs beat CRTs in any real way. The only thing LCDs are good for is watching movies and word processing. When it comes to gaming, retro or otherwise, CRT technology is king. High end CRT monitors can do large resolutions at high refreshrates for modern gaming, and low resolutions (you may need to double refresh rate to get 240p to sync) for retro gaming.

>> No.1060154

>>1059979
My final CRT screen was a 32" Panasonic flatscreen and any sunlight in the room turned it into a guessing game.
>>1060135
Everyone skips energy efficiency (an indisputable way LCD beats CRT every time).
The native revolution thing doesn't affect me. I can choose whatever aspect ratio/resolution I want in most emulators (I have an MCPC Setup with a 46" HD LCD). The viewing angle on this TV is awesome as well as its refresh rate. I only notice slight amounts of blurring on games that constantly shift everything on screen at high speeds (like Sonic).

>> No.1060156

>>1060154
I didn't have a polarizing filter...which might have made a difference back in the day, but I didn't know they existed. I just knew to keep my blinds closed and spend more time gaming at night...

>> No.1060174

>>1060154

Energy efficiency is irrelevant for desktop PCs for people who aren't poorfags. You don't build build computers for energy efficiency, why do the same for your display?

Energy efficiency is for laptops and portable devices.

>> No.1060247

>>1060174
I do actually care about energy efficiency in all of my products. It isn't that I am poor (I'm not rich either), but rather that I have an extreme dislike for inefficiencies (it might be a type of OCD). Whenever I see someone using a mouse that has a scrollwheel and they are not using it, it drives me insane (as another example). I have a blend of LED and CFL lighting within my home. I have electronics that go into sleep mode when it isn't required on killswitches so that they aren't constantly draining energy. I do my best to balance comfort with energy efficiency (I run my central air at 80 during the summer...even though I wish it were 67 or so). I constantly reorganize rooms when any sort of block has occurred or when a new permanent object is placed within said room. I can't stand waste and I worship ergonomics.

>> No.1060256

>>1060247
Confirmed you have to be nuts not to game on CRTs

>> No.1060280

>>1060256
/thread

>> No.1060294

>>1059831
They are also larger and heavier.

>> No.1060296
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1060296

Why does such a thing exist?

Do they make LED TV's with blu ray players built in?

>> No.1060331

>>1060296
Yes

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1060345

>>1060174
>Energy efficiency is irrelevant for desktop PCs for people who aren't poorfags
>I have money
>let's waste it

Stay retarded like the rest of your autist CRT-using pack.

>> No.1060362

>>1060345
Protip: A 36" CRT uses less energy than a 100 watt light bulb.

captcha: brilliant meesgoo

>> No.1060375

>>1060362
http://www.eu-energystar.org/en/en_023.shtml

>> No.1060396

>>1060375
>a saving of up to € 20/year and up to € 100 on the product life.
HAHAHAHAHA literally calculating that an LCDs lifespan is only five years. That's real energy efficient, replacing your $400+ LCD four times while I'm still using my 99 cent CRT. Lets talk about that little statistic shall we?

>> No.1060408

>>1060362

There's actually a serious effort to to use CRT technology as a similar look/feel replacement for incandescent bulbs, as they should have something of a similar long-ass lifespan as other alternatives.

>> No.1060423

>>1060396
>only five years

The LCD I'm currently using is a lot older than that.

>99 cent CRT

wut

>> No.1060432

>>1060423
I have three Trinitrons
1986 13" Composite: 99 cents
2003 13" Component: 99 cents
2004 PVM-20M2MDU: Free

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>> No.1060481

>>1060435
that is actually true as far as light gun games are concerned.

>> No.1060573

>>1060256
The energy efficiency is only one reason to not game on CRTs. The other reasons are that my LCD is 46" and old CRTs got ridiculously heavy at that size. Retro games aren't the only thing I do (I play modern games and watch movies/TV). SO...do I designate a retro gaming room with an old CRT...or do I have it all in one neat package?
All I have hooked up to my TV right now are a TV Receiver, a Sega Saturn, a PS3, an HD-DVD player (why the hell not?), a MCPC (with all of my emulators and roms/isos), and a Dreamcast.

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1060590

>>1060481
It makes me incredibly sad too. Light gun games were some of my favorite, I have to drive to Houston to play them now.

>> No.1060591

>>1060573
I'm sure your Dreamcast is hooked up via VGA and using an MCPC for emulation is an acceptable way to circumvent the inherent upconversion lag on SD systems but that's a terrible thing to do to a Saturn.

>> No.1060636

>>1060573
I have a classic gaming set and a HD gaming set.

On my LCD I have: PS3, 360, and a MCPC.
On my CRT: SNES, Genesis model 2 + CD + 32X, Genesis model 1 with master system converter, NES, PS2, and a Dreamcast.

When you run the gamut of several generations of hardware, it's often impractical to hook them all up to the same machine. Sure, they take up space. However, HD consoles have a place in a more common space because you can do other things like streaming and watching movies. Try that with a SNES.

You may argue emulation is just as good or that an LCD can do "good enough", just to remove some of that clutter. That's fine for you and others, but some of us prefer to experience as designed. The tactile and visual experience are two of the more important aspects to gaming. Denying visuals as intended is a disservice to the game.

>> No.1060654

>>1060636
>Doing it right
I separate by component video, although I have both a CRT and an HD on the component side.

My right side: 13" 1986 Trinitron with Saturn, N64, NES, TG-16, X'Eye, and SNES
My left side: 13" 2003 Trinitron with 360, Wii, PS2, Xbox, and Dreamcast
Both can be brought up on the big HDTV that sits in the middle.

>> No.1061974

>>1060654

I have multiple CRTs: a 14" Trinitron TV for my consoles, A C= 1085S-D3 for my Amiga 500, a Samsung Synchmaster for one of my PC (an OS/2 machine), a Tulip CRT for my main Win2k/98/MS-DOS machine (it has a great picture, it's brand maybe unknown, it's still a good monitor), and an HP monitor for a DOS/Win3.1 machine I'm trying to repair. I've never wanted t switch to LCD displays, as my laptop screen is a real piece of shit.

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1062009

How's mine guys? It's been looking like a match for my Famicom so far.

>> No.1062010

>>1060636
>However, HD consoles have a place in a more common space because you can do other things like streaming and watching movies. Try that with a SNES.
>watching movies. Try that with a SNES.
>Try that with a SNES.
Watching videos on a real SNES is possible, and it sure beats the shit out of the Sega CD but getting a SD2SNES isn't cheap either.
Just see for yourself.
http://youtu.be/yULkopwR8oA
http://youtu.be/GrIGRyNS16g

>> No.1062057

>>1062010

>dat TV

Exactly the same as mine!
Also, with 256 vs 64 colors, it's easy for the SNES to beat the MegaCD.

>> No.1062198

>>1062009
Looks more than adequate for that RF Famicom

>> No.1062220

>>1060481
>>1060590
http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html

No Time Crisis 1 (unless you import the gunvari collection), but you still have TC 2, 3, and Vampire Night for PS2...not to mention PS3 light gun games.

You're Welcome.

>> No.1062543

>>1059927
>Punch-Out
Why is it always Punch-Out in these threads? An emulator or display with shitty input lag will fuck me up even with SMB

>> No.1062748

What resolutions did old PC games run at?

>> No.1062759

>>1059927
Or maybe you're just bad at Punch-Out.

>> No.1062762

>>1062748
320 x 200 progressive sometimes, depends what era you mean.

>> No.1062764

>>1062762
I just want to know if I can run them on an SD TV. Looks like some of them can.

>> No.1063093

>>1062764
330x200 would sync in rgb if you got it down to 15khz

>> No.1063103

>>1062764
They can, and they'd look quite good on a big TV I bet. But to do it on a normal TV it would need component input, and you'd need an analog transcoder that could convert your VGA (RGB) signal to component. This would be more expensive than the TV.

>> No.1063117

>>1062764
VGA games ran in either 400p70 or 480p60. Each of those modes could be either 320 or 640 pixels wide. Each could be either full-height or line-doubled (200/240 lines, each scanned twice to maintain 31KHz).

640x480 games could run at 480i and 320x240 games at 240p if you had the appropriate video hardware. I don't think I saw that at the time.

>> No.1063118

>>1063117
(You'd need a very tolerant TV to run 320x200 games, as they refresh at 70hz. However, if you scanned out each line once per frame, the line rate is the correct ~15750Hz.)

>> No.1063123

>>1063118
Hmm my PVM is listed as supporting CGA on that infamous "multisync monitor megalist"

>> No.1063127

>>1063123
320x240x256 is MCGA is that the same?

>> No.1063129

>>1063127
That sounds 3D to me, CGA is the 320x200 one that's apparently 70 Hz vertical.

>> No.1063131

>>1063129
256 colors lol

>> No.1063673

I just joined the Hipster train by getting a Trinitron. Didn't get a PVM, though. I went for a 32 inch consumer grade model.

I... I think I'm in love.

>> No.1063881

>>1063673
>joined the Hipster train
Some of us have been doing this a long time, so I wouldn't put it like that. It's just still fairly easy to do things a better way. None of us are doing this just for the sake of being different.

>> No.1063890

>>1063881

This guy. I don't use an LCD TV because I never thrown my good old Trinitron, as it still work perfectly and give me a better picture.

>> No.1063904 [DELETED] 

>>>/tv/

>> No.1063973

I worked with Cospefogo to develop the "pixel perfect" emulator settings for the original XBox emulators. Was frustrated with CRTs as a result because no pleb emulation community members knew anything about the XBox forcing 480i...so we'd go crazy trying to get the pixels the right shape, scaled right.

Then he ditched us when he found out the Wii could do 240p and never dropped back in to say anything. Fuck the Wii, it scales 480i just like the XBox does, it just scales better. Filters everywhere. CRT_EmuDriver / PowerStrip is the answer.

>> No.1064161

>>1063881
It was meant less as a comment about people who have been holding on to them for years, and more on band-wagoning.

Really, I'm poking fun at myself.

I do have to ask, why do so many people want PVMs? Are commercial grade that much better than consumer grade? Are the cell wires that much smaller?

>> No.1064281

>>1064161
On close examination convergence really is better, but the average user wouldn't notice much other than sharper scanlines. The other reason is the true RGB input, which is good for RGB hack consoles but in all reality if someone is doing the RGB SCART approach, unless they're building their own RGB SCART to 5BNC RGB cable, for the price they go for online one can just get the SCART to YUV transcoder and use it with consumer CRTs that have "component" input AND with component compatible commercial monitors like many PVMs.

PVMs are nice because they take a LOT of inputs and bridge the gap between what normal gamers are used to on a good consumer TV and true RGB inputs like arcade monitors and other dedicated pro type displays use.

>> No.1064364

>>1064281
Ahh, okay. Thanks. That clears it up a lot.

I'm fine with what I got. At least it has a Y Pb Pr input and a passthrough video/audio output. Doesn't do 480p, only 480i. Really, what more do I need for most retro game consoles?

>> No.1064383

>>1064364
If it did 480p then it would be an HDTV and no better suited to retro gaming than other HDTVs.

In the last thread, we discovered some CRTs that have two sets of component inputs, one labeled HD and the other labeled DVD, which the manual indicates are max 480i and we have been curious if these sets are truly native SD and HD on the same set but so far there's no conclusive word either way.

Picking up a Trinitron with component inputs is something every retro gamer should do as it's obvious you found out from your "in love" comment. If you decide to get even deeper into it get some RGB SCART cables, a SCART passthrough breakoutout adapter for audio and the SCART to YUV transcoder. It'll be under $100 to get that including the SCART cables for probably all your systems if you're not a comprehensive collector.

>> No.1064413

>>1063103
I was planning to build a special emulation rig anyway. It won't need a transcoder, just a passive converter.

>>1063117
>>1063118
Huh, that's curious.

>>1064364
480i doesn't look too much worse than 480p on an SD TV. It looks terrible on modern displays because they have to deinterlace, and and you need something like an XRGB Mini to get good deinterlacing.

>> No.1064439

>>1064413
>XRGB Mini
That thing doesn't even have RGB in, why does it keep getting recommended? Also the XRGB-3 lacks HDMI out. They're both half baked.

>> No.1064447

>>1064439
>That thing doesn't even have RGB in
Yes it does. It uses a proprietary port and comes with a cable for it.

>> No.1064475

>>1064447
Okay yeah I see and they sell other cables specifically for different applications including jamma and other arcade boards that's kinda neat. Can it output YPbPr and VGA or is it HDMI only?

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1064497

Question time!
I play Smash Bros. Melee professionally, and that shit is always played on CRTs. I have this awesome flat-screen CRT at home that I always practise with. Recently, it broke down (shit goes haywire and randomly presses every button imaginable rapidly) so I'm gonna have to get a new one I guess, but for now, I hooked my Wii up to the LCD in the living room.

tl;dr, here is my question: Is there a difference in response times between older and newer TVs? Because when I play with the LCD, I feel like my inputs are a good couple frames behind what they usually are.

>> No.1064506

I have a chance to buy a 32" Trinitron KV-32FX65B for 45 euro. It's huge and weighs literally 140 lbs. I don't really have anywhere to put it right now. Is this a dumb idea?

>> No.1064509

>>1064497
Does your TV have a "Game" mode built in? My default TV settings (LCD) does have a delay with inputs, but when I switch to the Game mode (I have to do it every time because my stupid TV doesn't save it), it works beautifully.

>> No.1064527

>>1064497
>Is there a difference in response times between older and newer TVs? Because when I play with the LCD, I feel like my inputs are a good couple frames behind what they usually are.
That's because they are. Input lag sucks, and unless you do your research on LCDs beforehand, you should expect a lag time of 30-40ms (one frame is ~16ms). Some LCDs have input lag less than 10ms, but they're just not to the point CRTs yet.

also:
>>1064509
do this if your LCD has the option, it will help, but not eliminate, the input lag.

>> No.1064535

>>1064509
>>1064527
Thanks. I thought my eves didn't deceive me. It's funny that shit this small can fuck up the flow of my game so much. It feels like I have to plan my moves 3 steps ahead. Which isn't a bad thing for practising, now that I think about it.

>> No.1064558

>>1064527
>you should expect a lag time of 30-40ms (one frame is ~16ms)
On 60hz, one frame equals about 33ms and it is made up of two fields.
Every LCD TV samples 2 fields to deinterlace them into frames.
So a lag of 40-50ms would be more realistic, because of the time it takes for sampling the signal and upscaling the frame to the native LCD resolution.

>> No.1064578

>>1064535
People only mention Punch Out on the retro board but Smash Nuts has moves requiring 1;frame reactions

>> No.1064673

>>1064558
>On 60hz, one frame equals about 33ms and it is made up of two fields.
well that depends on the signal the GCN is outputting. If 480p over component it's 16.667ms per frame but...
>Every LCD TV samples 2 fields to deinterlace them into frames.
would be true if he's using composite/rf/s-video and getting a 480i signal. 33.333ms per frame.

>So a lag of 40-50ms would be more realistic, because of the time it takes for sampling the signal and upscaling the frame to the native LCD resolution.
very possible. At any rate if I'm playing a game that requires precise timing I'd rather play on an old CRT over RF than play on an LCD personally.

>> No.1064725

>>1064475
I don't think so.
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ check here if you want to know more

>> No.1064963

How far am I going to get with a CRT monitors and dosbox/emulators? Is there a reason why I should still pursuit original hardware?

>> No.1064980

>>1064963
You're a candidate for learning about a little thing called CRT_Emudriver and GroovyMAME. I don't suppose you're running Windows XP are you?

>> No.1064994

>>1064980
I don't currently use Windows XP but I do have the installation CD. And learning new things is always a good thing. I don't have an ATI card though.

>> No.1065296

>>1064383
>In the last thread, we discovered some CRTs that have two sets of component inputs, one labeled HD and the other labeled DVD, which the manual indicates are max 480i and we have been curious if these sets are truly native SD and HD on the same set but so far there's no conclusive word either way.
No offense (and I mean that sincerely), but please only speak for yourself.

>> No.1065560

>>1065296
What do you mean speak for yourself, is this some arrogant boast that "you already knew this"? Let's discuss some examples of monitors that can truly render both a 15 Khz (ex: 240p) and 31 Khz (ex: 640x480 VGA).

Tri-sync arcade monitors: 15, 24, and 31 Khz, selectable via jumper. The jumper prevents the scaling

Arcade LCD Monitors: They have a built-in scaler, eliminating most of the lag associated with LCDs (not all categories)

Early 90's computer monitors: Certain NEC, the Sony GVM...the monitor took it upon itself to differentiate the type of signal and switch as needed. The PVM L series may be in this category, though people on arcadecontrols.com warn against switching from 15 to 31 Khz often

Commercial product: TVs, presentation monitors. These things have 15 Khz inputs in some places, 31 in others. This is what the two component inputs, HD and SD, refer to. Be aware that many monitors/TVs like this LINE DOUBLE to 31 Khz on the "15 Khz" input. Mitsubishi presentation monitors are an example of this on the S-video input.

>> No.1065585

>>1065560
So how can you tell for sure if an apparently multi-sync set line doubles or doesn't when you're looking at it on a thrift store floor or at a yard sale or by the curb with the trash?

I felt like it was worth the gamble when some guy was talking about one that had "HD IN" and "DVD IN" components and I checked the manual and it said the HD IN was up to 1080i but t'he DVD IN was 480i but other people in the thread disagreed.

>> No.1065616

>>1065585
Get the model number and then computer up some manuals and spec sheets.

>> No.1065642

>>1065616
The manual didn't mention frequency

>> No.1066279

>>1065560
>What do you mean speak for yourself, is this some arrogant boast that "you already knew this"?
It's a reminder that these threads aren't limited to what *you* know, so stop speaking on behalf of "all of us who visit these threads" by using the word "we." That seems like the real arrogance IMO.

Again, no offense.

>> No.1066458

>>1066279
We're kind of a jerk aren't we?

>> No.1066505

>>1066279
Seems like a dude who needs to know if his "SD" inputs are upscaling somehow or if they're native 15 Khz. You don't know either yet you act as if you do. You don't know the model number. Maybe he'll post it then you can strut your stuff more.

>> No.1066532

>>1066505
I don't know from what source you're drawing all this negative, passive aggressive energy, but it can't be healthy.

You're getting offended by the most polite advice, and it's leading you to make odd assumptions and draw unusual conclusions. It's weird. You might be weird yourself.

>> No.1066537

>>1062543
Probably because of how Punch-Out is all timing.

>> No.1066539

>>1064506

Yo anybody wanna help a nigga out? I don't know shit about CRTs.

>> No.1066545

>>1066539

If you can't carry it and don't have place for it, it's logic for you to leave it and dump the link for another Anon that might have the bones and the place to support it. You might try to get a smaller one, one between 14" and 20" would be perfect.

>> No.1066568

>>1066532
I'm passive aggressive yet you're the one who's boasting about knowing the answer to someone's question in three separate posts >>1066532 and >>1066279 and >>1065296

Despite boasting all these times of knowing the answer, you refuse to help this individual. You take in the whole situation from on high yet are too good to stoop to our level and answer his question. Truly I am passive aggressive for asking him for the model number.

>> No.1066578

>>1066568
>emosperg defensive textwall
>Truly I am passive aggressive
bingo
get help

>> No.1066583

>>1066545

You're right man, thanks. Don' think the link will be much good to anyone though, it's collection only in Ireland.

>> No.1066642

>>1066505
I'm just wondering in general. I mean, yes I'm familiar with multisync vga monitors and arcade monitors but I had never heard of a multisync consumer tv. At any rate, the TV in question was a Zenith c27v23 here's a link to the page of the manual I found listing separate 1080i and 480i inputs
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/341796/Zenith-C27v22.html?page=6

>>1066532
>>1066279
>>1065296
Jesus you are truly an insufferable prick. By "we" I think any normal person could have inferred I meant the person who originally found said Zenith TV, myself and some other people who are shopping for CRTs - that being a major point of these threads. For you to be so personally offended by the mere possibility that someone might be suggesting you are ignorant in any way that you would presume you are being included in a simple plural personal pronoun (and for you not even to contribute any information) makes it pretty clear that something is wrong with you or that you're just some kind of troll. Either way, rest assured that I would never, ever want to include myself in any group with someone like you. No offense.

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>>1064497
Smash players are dedicated to the way of the CRT

>> No.1066727

>>1066642
oh another spergwall

>personally offended
lel

>> No.1066741

>>1064963
Pretty far. You can get 240p output if you set the refresh rate to 120hz

>> No.1066758

>>1066727
Confirmed for troll. "auti" or "sperg" even as word parts should auto-ban on /vr/. These "diseases" didn't even exist when we were young enough to be offended by them. You'd be better off calling us "nerds" "dorks" "geeks" or the like except those terms have been taken back by this point but by all means, keep generating controversy in the thread.

>> No.1066771

>>1066758
>generating controversy
what

>> No.1066786

>>1066771
>what
derp

>> No.1066793

>>1066786
>>1066771

Stop to shit on this thread.

>> No.1066959

God damn /vr/ convincing me to get a CRT monitor.
It's a 17" screen, might take a while before I get it though.

>> No.1067026

>>1066959
What made you go for it? I'm assuming you mean a VGA monitor for your PC. Why 17" and not 21"? Not enough room?

>> No.1067054

>>1067026
Well, I was mostly skeptic for a long while about the whole thing but a few weeks ago I played zDoom on a computer that isn't mine which happened to be connected to a CRT/VGA (I'm not too good with the terminology, sorry) monitor and it looked incredible.

I figured I'll try getting one myself and have been looking for a while, found a Samsung 753DFX for free but I'll have to wait a while before I could receive it. I'm planning to connect it to a laptop with a broken monitor and use it for DOS and maybe some emulation too.

>> No.1067069

>>1067054
>Samsung
Prepare for razzle-dazzle. If you're used to looking at LCD it's no wonder the color depth blew you away. I bet you completely forgot there's such a thing as black! So important on dark, ambient games.

>> No.1067075

>>1067069
It just looked so... it's hard to describe but maybe the word I would use is 'full'?
I just hoping that aside from older computer games that it will also make some emulated consoles look better, but I am aware of the difference between a TV monitor and a PC monitor.
Another thing I hope is that it would make it easier for me to immerse in game, I find myself losing interest rather quickly in a lot of older games due to my short attention span.

>> No.1067082

>>1067054
You sound like one of the reddit hipsters who would come in and ruin these threads, if you needed any convincing that a CRT tv or monitor is better for gaming on I have to wonder if you were old enough to play games when CRTs were still everywhere.

>> No.1067097

>>1067082
So what if he wasn't? Why must you be such an elitist? This is why you have a hard time making friends.

>>1067075
The "fullness" you're seeing is the color depth. Not only are blacks truly black but hot colors are really hot. Even OLEDs have trouble on the hot side. My plasma does them but intense reds actually "sizzle" in my plasma. It's a trippy effect I'm not entirely sure of the cause. In CRTs they probably just go all the way to emitting radiation in your face but this is the life we choose.

As far as emulation goes, yes computer CRT monitors use tri-dot masking so they'll never look exactly the same as video CRTs but I've seen guys in this thread getting them into true 240p modes using this CRT_EmuDriver thing and still others getting some pretty damn convincing effects with a filter called CRTGeom

>> No.1067109

>>1067097
I'll look into these. I've seen CRT_EmuDriver (Doesn't that need an ATI card?) and CRTGeom mentioned a few times.

I'll also look into finding a cheap CRT TV because I need one anyway for my beatmania. I will do a little research though to see how I can get the best out of the monitor and maybe even dick around front-ends for emulation and MAME. Thanks for the advice.

>> No.1067113

>>1067082
>reddit hipsters
>>>/v/

back into containment, faggot

>> No.1067115

>>1067113
Instead of telling someone to go to a companion board to this one you could try refuting their claims, I guess that would take more thought than you are able to muster due to your retardation though.

>> No.1067114

>>1067113

Don't give him so much attention.

>> No.1067374

>>1067097
I've been curious about the radiation. From my understanding it isn't anything to worry about.

>> No.1067396

>>1067374
People like to be alarmist about it and there's no concrete evidence about exactly what level of radiation exposure is hazardous to your health. If you sit five inches away from a CRT it might not be so great for your retinas or maybe your brain but I'm sure it's fine for normal use. I just mentioned it as a superlative, as in "CRTs can put out such intense colors they extend into the RF spectrum"

>> No.1067401

>>1067396
>If you sit five inches away from a CRT it might not be so great for your retinas or maybe your brain but I'm sure it's fine for normal use.

I'll keep sitting across the room then.

>> No.1067418

>>1067401
Yeah the frequency of radiation that comes out of CRTs isn't able to travel very far with any significant intensity. Five feet cuts it down something like 99%

>> No.1067421

>>1067418
You said you have a plasma too. How are those compared to CRTs in terms of picture quality and motion fluidity?

>> No.1067441

>>1067421
Decent but not on par. It doesn't help that I have an OG plasma with a native resolution of something like 800x400. You also get noticeable ghosting on plasma. A high contrast static image leaves "burn in". It goes away pretty quickly too but it's noticeable. OLEDs are sharper but the exchange is the color intensity.

Of course, both suffer the standard problems when displaying SD signals.

>> No.1067468

>>1067441
I've read that modern plasmas are much, much better and use a different method of refreshing the screen (it's refreshed in blocks or something) that makes the motion blur/ghosting fairly negligible.

>> No.1067563

>>1067468
There's not really "motion blur", it's more like the kind of burn-in you get on CRTs but it happens in minutes and then it's gone again in minutes more.

>> No.1067565

>>1067563
The burn in is largely gone on modern sets.

>> No.1067592

>>1067069
>Samsung
>Prepare for razzle-dazzle.
lol

>> No.1067616

>>1067441
>>1067563
>>1067565
Speaking of burn-in.
Some LCDs of some Samsung smartphones are prone to get permanent burn-ins.
I know about this because it's my job to repair these ("goddamn" things) for warranty, i noticed that GT-I9001, GT-I9100 and GT-S8530 are often affected.
I don't have so much of a clue how the customers are doing that, but they rarely complain about burn-ins because it mostly gets only noticeable in the LCD test menu when i tap the RED option (upper left corner) that turns the entire screen to pure red.

>> No.1067621

>>1067616
Aren't Samsung smartphones using OLED? Those get burn in if you leave them on for a few hours on the same screen. I don't know how they manage to do that.

>> No.1067642

>>1067621
>Aren't Samsung smartphones using OLED?
I don't know, i just repair them (if i can, because mostly i can't find the fault).
In the "inventory list" (for replacement parts) it is named as 'Display' or 'LCD', but this has not to be the precise description.

These burn-ins are mostly the android UI like status bar or keyboard.

>> No.1067704

been playing all my retro stuffs on a PVM 2030 via RGB for a while now; don't know if i can go back :)

>> No.1067727

>>1067704
What were you using before?

>> No.1067768

>>1067727
Toshiba Thing.
picture wasn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but DAT RGB.

>> No.1067795
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Not CRT, but what do you guys think of smaller LCD screens? Pic related is one I just bought, been waiting on it. It's a 4:3 5'' inch (same size as the GameCube LCD) screen with speakers, stereo sound, all that. I just wanted something to play on while being comfy instead of using my hulking CRT. Videos on Youtube on N64 portables running on 5'' LCD screens look pretty good.

>> No.1067798

>>1066647
>all those burned games
brazillian smashers

>> No.1067802

>>1067795
all about input lag, broski

>> No.1067820

>>1067802
It's not a Digital monitor set, it's an analogic system with a LCD screen.

>> No.1067920

Anyone have a suggestion for a smallish CRT that will fit on a desk? I'd like to get a collection started, but the only TV I have is my 32" LCD. I was thinking of getting one of those Commodore monitors for the C64 or Amiga with RCA ins on them, but I'll be damned if I can find one for a decent price.

>> No.1068089

>>1067795
sloooow refresh

>> No.1068094

>>1067920
- PVM
- Sony, Toshiba, or Philips 13-24" SDTV w/component and S-video inputs

>> No.1068131

>>1059092
Why the fuck are these so hard to find? Everything I ever see locally are 90s shitboxes like OP.

>> No.1068169

>>1068131
My family and I recycled ours in the '90s when they started to go bad with problems (which were fixable), but we replaced them with new CRTs anyway so I didn't lose anything except the old-fashioned styling, inferior picture, lack of inputs, lack of stereo, inconvenient tuners, etc.

>> No.1068254

>>1067115
I have better things to do then argue with undesirables.

Polite sage for offtopic.

>> No.1068772

>>1060247
I care about energy efficiency too, but only insofar as it doesn't force me to make severe compromises for certain things.

You want me to use LED or CFL bulbs instead of incandescent, ok. Throttle my CPU and GPU when idle, fine. But forcing all of my old video games to become slow-responding garbage that looks all wrong, that's where I draw the line.

>> No.1068804

>>1060247
>(I run my central air at 80 during the summer...even though I wish it were 67 or so).

>cares about efficiency
>uses refrigeration
7/10

>> No.1068808

>>1062220
>no latency data
no thanks

>> No.1068813

>>1067820
>It's not a Digital monitor set, it's an analogic system with a LCD screen.
LCDs are driven digitally. There's no such thing as an analog LCD.

>> No.1069036

>>1067920

If you get an Amiga monitor, use the RGB input, not the composite one.

>> No.1069240

>>1068813
He probably meant that the native LCD resolution matches analog TV frequencies, so that it doesn't use a frame buffer for upscaling resulting into less lag.

>> No.1069264

Question. I heard you need a component cable to get the best out of the CRT and plain ol' RCA cables won't do the trick.
Does it matter if I have the RGB cable or use SCART for let's say, PS2?

>> No.1069282

>>1069264
PS2 usually outputs in 480i anyway, get some VGA cable and hook it up to a computer monitor. Component cables are RCA cables, your mind is now blown.

>> No.1069283

>>1069264
Component and RGB/SCART have a similar high bandwidth.

>> No.1069285

>>1069282
>RCA cables
Aren't RCA cables the red yellow white ones? I think those are composite cables which I heard don't look as good.

>>1069283
Is that a good thing? Sorry if I'm asking dumb question I'm not too knowledgeable about this subject.

>> No.1069291

>>1069285
>Is that a good thing?
Of course it is. A higher (analog) bandwidth means a sharper picture.

>RCA
Is also a connection standard that is commonly used for component signals.

>> No.1069326

>>1069283
This. Not /vr/ but consoles that natively support YPbPr "Component" have no need to go the RGB route unless you are European and are using an RGB SCART display.

>> No.1069337

>>1069291
>>1069326
Alright, so what do I use then?

>> No.1069352

>>1069337
... Component? Those are the red, blue and green rca cables

>> No.1069362

>>1069337
They're just bogging you down with specifics when your question is so easily answered.

If you have a CRT with component inputs and you have a PS2, get a PS2/PS3-compatible component cable. Be sure your system is set to use YPbPr instead of RGB in the config. Done.

>> No.1069371

>>1069352
>>1069362
Alright, I just ordered them now. Thanks.
Out of curiosity though, is SCART no go? I'm reading up a little about the different types of connection on Wikipedia because I want to learn more about them.

>> No.1069381

>>1069371
>Out of curiosity though, is SCART no go?
This depends where you live. In Europe, TVs with (RGB capable) SCART inputs exists since the mid 80s.
Also it's possible to convert between these formats, but decent transcoders (or OpAmps) aren't cheap.

>> No.1069382

>>1069371
If you're in the US and your TV handles component, you don't need SCART.

You see us talking about SCART here all the time, even Americans, because it's one of the most common ways to get RGB out of retro consoles in some way that's easily adapted to some other plug we use here, for use with, say, a transcoder.

>> No.1069387

>>1069381
Got ya, I did read something about that. I'm not too sure about the origin of the TV I'm about to get soon so I guess I'll just give it a try and see how it goes.

>>1069382
I see. The differences between the US and Eurpoe when it comes to televisions are pretty interesting.

>> No.1069389

>>1069382
Yet you rarely see people talking about getting RGB out of their PC, even though it outputs it natively and only requires adjustment at the software level to output the correct signal.

In other news, emulation rig is assembled next to the PVM. POSTed fine, ready to install XP x64...keyboard is out of batteries. Project on hold.

>> No.1069896

>>1069264
>Does it matter if I have the RGB cable or use SCART for let's say, PS2?
Yes, if you want to play PSX games on it. If using component it will upscale PSX games to 480i. SCART gives 240p. I don't know why it does this.

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Redirected here.

Is pic-related worth it? I realize it's more than buying a few CRTs, but playing on my 42" LCD would be nice.

>> No.1070047

>>1067109
You don't need that for 240p, that's some custom driver for GroovyMAME that's for arcade monitors or something

I use Nvidia and just set a ####x240 120hz custom resolution, horizontal can be anything

>> No.1070056

>>1070021
The device is absolutely fantastic for what it is. If you can't get a decent CRT for whatever reason this is probably the next best thing to it.

Keep in mind it has some issues such as relatively slow swapping between interlaced and progressive which can fuck you in a handful of games and scanlines simply being dogshit on 1080p.

>> No.1070127

>>1069896
Is it confirmed that the PS2 actually upscales and interlaces the image of 240p PS1 games, and not just some random TVs treating all 240p signals through component as 480i?

>> No.1070265

>>1070127

No because mine displays PSX games 240p over component. It's only interlaced when it's supposed to be interlaced

>> No.1070295

>>1070265
Thanks, I suspected as much. It doesn't seem like there would be a reason for the PS2 to do this. OTOH, TVs treating 240p as 480i is pretty common.

>> No.1070742

>>1070021
>>1070056
It also has about one and a half frames of input lag. The XRGB-3 has no input lag for 240p to 480p, but it only does 480p.

>> No.1070953

240p isn't accomplished the same way other progressive scan signals are. It's 480i with the even field laid down over the odd field, that's why the big scanlines in 240p. It's no surprise that many if not most displays would believe them to be the same thing.

>>1070742
Is there really any reason to upscale SD video to anything higher than 480p? I'm still confused about how to get HDMI out of the 3 though, and if it works correctly for everything. I guess I really prefer hd over component anyway but it would be nice to fully understand how it all works, the 3 seems quite complex (and Japanese)

>> No.1070967

>>1070953
You don't get HDMI out of the 3.

>> No.1070993

>>1070967
>Known problems with current firmware version 2.12
>DVI to HDMI 1080p output incompatibility
The XRGB3's 1080p output is incompatible with many displays. When trying to use the XRGB-3 via it's DVI output using a DVI to HDMI cable, it is not possible to see a picture at all on many displays when the XRGB3 is set to output 1080p.

It sounds like you can get HDMI out of it, it just has limited compatibility. I'd like to know what compatibility it actually has... And now that we're reading that, it also sounds like it can output higher than 480p

>> No.1071209

>>1070953
>Is there really any reason to upscale SD video to anything higher than 480p?
The biggest and most obvious reason is to avoid a second scaling stage on displays that aren't natively 480p.

>> No.1072450

>>1071209
Okay yeah that's totally true and most of your modern HDTVs are 1080 native.

>> No.1074240

Which way do people with computer monitors prefer to display:

480p 60hz 2x scale from native resolution
or
240p 120hz native resolution with black frame insertion enabled in emulator

>> No.1074961

I replaced my 27" inch trinitron with some color distortion and bad blurring on the edges with a 32" trinitron. There's still some blur on the edges (I guess it's just a thing on these) but it's otherwise an improvement.
One thing I noticed is that on solid colors, most pronounced on solid black, there's a wavy-line effect if you look closely. 2D backgrounds seem to have a heat-haze-wavy effect when scrolling. Any idea how to fix that?

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Got a 32" trintron from a friend for free last year because it weighted 200lbs and he didnt want it.

modded my genesis with s-video. looks great on the Tron

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>>1074240
I usually just play 480p60 with a centered image. My screen is big enough anyway that I can just deal with the small picture.

>> No.1075285

>>1074961
Same guy here.
>One thing I noticed is that on solid colors, most pronounced on solid black, there's a wavy-line effect if you look closely.
I think that's noise. Maybe opening it up and dusting it out will help? It can't kill me if it's unplugged right?

As for the heat wave effect, I'm stumped. It's weird.

>> No.1075291

How do I make this annyoing loud, buzzing noise on my TV stop? It's driving me crazy.

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>>1075218

3d era games didnt look much different

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>> No.1075383

>>1075293

>2013
>Failing Frigate

>> No.1075384

>>1075291
Are you using the TV's speakers or running audio through it at all? If so, try running your audio through a receiver or amp and mute the TV.

>> No.1075474

>>1074961
Is it horizontal scrolling, vertical scrolling, or both?

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>>1074240

>> No.1075485

>>1075293
>FAILED

>> No.1075487

>>1075474
Horizontal.
I'm tempted to ditch this shit. The only thing I really need it for is 480i PS2 games that won't emulate and there are ways around that. I like the benefits of CRTs but the problems...

>> No.1075537

>>1074961
>>1075285
>>1075487
The effects you're describing are from using composite video, and from intensely scrutinizing your picture. If it bothers you. move up to S-Video or, better yet YPbPr.

Your television CAN kill you when it's unplugged. It has a huge capacitor that you can theoretically discharge through the high voltage transformer if you short it out and into yourself. If you want to just open it and dust it with compressed air or even a broom that's fine but don't poke around too intensely with anything conductive.

>> No.1075541

>>1075537
I am using YPbPr. The heat-wavy thing obviously requires an image to be displayed, but the lines seem to just be noise and are there when the TV is receiving no signal.

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Just found out "Splash Lake" for the turbo grafx 16 has video test screen. i also found out this screen is a 1/4th of an inch off center >.>

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1075550

>>1075547
other test screen it offers. this is where i noticed it was mildly off center.

>> No.1075595

>>1070047
Yeah no one in this thread should care about something called CRT Emu(lation) Drivers that make your video card output the proper resolution and sync rates to within 2 hundredths of a Hz. Not like it works with all CRTs "or something".

>> No.1075859

>>1075293
>using Vivid/Sports/Torch presets on any CRT, ever
Halt immediately, citizen! You're killing your TV and making your sources look strange while doing it.

Rule #1 of CRT ownership: Before doing any other PQ configuration, put it in Pro/Preference mode *first*, then reset the saved settings for that preset, then turn off SVM/VSM completely (sometimes this is handled automatically just by starting with a non-retarded preset), then turn "sharpness" way down (needed more often than you might think), then config it for 6500K/"Warm." Now you can finally begin to research other ways to improve the picture.

(The common complaint is that this creates a picture that looks dark...but that should be handled using Contrast and Brightness given your ambient lighting conditions, not by starting with a horrible default preset that could toggle unseen and undesirable settings.)

>> No.1075886

>>1075541
Can you post a shot of your TV's picture settings screen(s)?

>> No.1075971

>>1075859
What are the other rules?

>> No.1075973

>>1075971
2. Don't smash it with a hammer.
3. Don't pee or poop on it.

That's all of them.

>> No.1076124

>>1075859
I'd actually check the manual to see what the recommended color temp is. SMTPE-C phosphors want 6500K but I'm not sure about the P22 rare earth on everyone's Tron.

>> No.1076127

CRT emulation rig update:

Fully functional computer, no problems with build, Windows x64 running, CRT_Emudriver custom drivers installed with refurbished Radeon card of high power and low cost.

GroovyMAME and GroovyUME both installed, clean .ini files generated for each. Ready to add custom modelines and set desktop to 15 Khz but I want to get a second / third monitor set up at normal resolutions first if I can. Worried about their EDID causing interference with my modelines.

>> No.1076331

>>1076124
It's best to target 6500K anyway, regardless of the phosphor type your monitor uses. The idea that you should listen to what your monitor manufacturer deems as "true white" for your display based on what kind of phosphors it uses and not your own needs is weird to me. It's as weird as saying you should only drive a Honda at 50mph because it's not an Acura which should be driven at 60mph based solely on what the manufacturer said and not on what you need on the road. You should simply be trying to match the white point used at the time of the content's creation (6500K 99.999% of the time -- meaning when it's done to standard on standard equipment regardless of the phosphors used in their monitors). 6500K is 6500K everywhere, and using the monitor's "warm" setting is a good way to get as close as possible. If you can cal the display further, even better.

>> No.1076376

>>1076331
Wouldn't it be more like actual engineering specifications that inform the reader of the manual what RPMs the engine's readings were taken at / calibrated by?

>> No.1076804

>>1076376
No, because it's a recommendation, not a static fact. CRTs don't come with an exact white point that only the manufacturer knows. It's variable, and you configure it. That's why you can change color temps at all.

>> No.1076897

>>1076804
I'm sorry but the Society of Motion Picture & Television Engineers specifically recommends 6500K color temperature for my phosphors and it is also specified as the default setting in my owner's and service manual. I will always prioritize the words of systems engineers over 4chan posters.

>> No.1076954

>>1076376
>>1076804
>>1076897
Assuming there are only two people who posted these, I think there have been at least two misunderstandings made here. I'd advise any interested non-participants to ignore any contradictions in this mini discussion and just ask questions for clarification on the topic.

>> No.1077389

>>1075859

got it. no more vivid mode. the TV isnt currently set up anywhere but next time I take it out play i'll calibrate it right,


also a more general question, how the hell do you lug these things around? to get it from my car to the living room (tv only) i had slide it face down on a foam sheet over the garage step. it was nearly impossible to carry.

>> No.1077524

>>1077389

A friend's help is best, and carrying straps or a nice strong bedsheet can be very useful.

In the past, when I've had to move some big ones up a flight of stairs myself, I have done the same thing as you, but using blankets.

For transportation outdoors or in locations without stairs, I use a dolly. But they are worthless and seriously dangerous for long flights of stairs.

>> No.1077721

Question: I would like to hook up my NTSC N64 to my PVM using a SCART cable, but I have been unable to find a Gamecube cable to purchase to do so. Can the N64 even do SCART? Or should I stick to S-video? I tried using my SNES scart cable and was able to hear sound but I didn't get any video out of it.

Any ideas?

>> No.1077746

>>1077721
N64s require modding in order to do RGB, and only early models at that.

>> No.1077915

what a rip that here in the US we never caught on to direcr RGB like they did in europe. sure wouldve been a better picture

>> No.1077918

>>1077721
Only the French N64 can output RGB out of the box, IIRC.

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>>1077721
What >>1077746 said is correct. Early model N64s in America can be modded for RGB. It's not hard. Here's mine.

>> No.1078201

>>1078189
Ah, I see. That is very interesting. Why we can do RGB with PS1, PS2 and SNES NTSC unit's out of the box and not with the N64 is beyond me.

I'll stick to S-video on it then. It's not the best, but it's better than nothing!

>> No.1078234

>>1078201
Nintendo changed the chip after the launch N64s in America to a cheaper one that doesn't output raw RGB signal for whatever reason. Then in the GameCube they put chip that would make component possible inside the cable head itself. Nintendo didn't think we'd give a shit, and they were mostly right.

S-video's good enough.

>> No.1078312

>PVM 20M4A for $10

Only catch is i have to do a 160km round trip to go pick it up.

Courier wanted $70 to deliver it when it will only cost $20 in fuel.

>> No.1078319

>>1078312
Go get it, Man. I also like how you say km and fuel.

>> No.1078369

>>1078312
Get it, you will not be disappointed.

>> No.1078438

>>1078312
That pays for itself in gas, that's worth much more than $10. It's probably worth it to ship too. Performing search now and having it delivered to my house.

>> No.1079842
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Strange port in three back of an "Xbox ready" 38 inch RCA - RGB?

>> No.1079848
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1079848

Snap with the sticker

>> No.1079853

>>1079842
Damn that HDR pic is about worthless sorry. The other one is good though. says VPORT

>> No.1079931

>>1079853
Apparently it is an XBox shaped input that "can be used as another component input" according to the manual

>> No.1079937

>>1079848
It's a Y/Pb/Pr component input, just like it says.

>> No.1080053

Is the sharp x-flat any good for retro gaming? I got it for free. I currently only emulate on the Wii while at school but I'm thinking of keeping the TV for my older consoles when I have space for them.

Here it is on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-X-Flat-32F630-Flat-Screen-32/dp/B0000AKVAV

thanks /vr/

>> No.1080057
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>>1080053
forgot pic

32 inch model

>> No.1080107
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>Hey son, I threw that bulky old thing out and got you a new monitor. The salesperson at Best Buy said it was 768p High Definition!

>> No.1080449
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1080449

I dont know how computer monitors compare to CRTs, but I have a Samsung Syncmaster 950p with BNC inputs on the back. Can this be used for RGB gaming?

>> No.1080468

>>1080449
Just looked up the specs:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000038747.pdf
>Horizontal : 30 kHz to 96 kHz
With /vr/ consoles: Nope
With PC or modern consoles running emulators: Yes
/vr/ consoles are about 15 khz, your monitor won't take it.

>> No.1080478

>>1080449
If you can score a linedoubler, only then.

>> No.1080483

>>1080468
>>1080478

well shoot. i've been holding on to it for so long because its the only one i've ever had with BNCs. I dont know what else to do with it now haha

>> No.1080490

>>1080483
Use it with your PC?

It's a pretty damn good CRT Monitor; Certainly beats the hell out of my Dell.

>> No.1080803
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1080803

>>1080490

Well i have that, and I also have a Trinitron computer monitor too. Are they as good at the TVs?

>> No.1080836

>>1079937
Don't ya see the VPORT? It's rectangular, oriented vertically right above where it says VPORT

>> No.1080903

>>1080836
Question already answered, CRT owner becomes belligerent when told for certain he has no RGB inputs.

>> No.1080962

>>1080490

For low resolution retro games, Dell monitors are pretty excellent.

>> No.1081126

>>1080903
I don't own it, I just took a pic of it at a thrift store then I'm the one who answered my own question. I'm assuming the guy I'm replying to didn't see the port I was talking about since he felt the need to tell me it says it's component - or did he just really want to rub my research in my face?

>> No.1081315

>>1080803

These aren't bad, but most of the Dell-Brand Trinitrons (and some others) suffer from washout issues as they age. You have to either reprogram the damn things or open them up and change/add resistors.

>> No.1081327

>>1081315
There's nothing special about a rebadged trinny in that regard. It's just that monitors get overdriven as fuck by leaving them on all the time at stupidly bright settings.

>> No.1081408

Where the heck do I find a reasonably priced PVM? I've read that the 20 inch models can be found for less than $100 but everyone on ebay or craigslist wants 200+

>> No.1081504

>>1081126
I'm the person who you just now responded to. I'm back to rub your "research" in your face.

PRODUCT FEATURES *RCA-proprietary VPORT allows simplified direct connection of Microsoft Xbox gaming console, or can function as a second component video input

I already told you that someone already told you this. This is the second time you've gotten angry at "the messenger" for doing hour shit for you. Come at me and make it three, I don't even care.

>> No.1081516

>>1080449
>computer monitors compare to CRTs
They compare exactly the same when they are CRTs. Which you seem to have.

>> No.1081535

>>1081504
you need to listen to some soothing sounds or something man

>> No.1081545

>>1081535
Coming back a third time, the samefriend will often attempt to disguise himself by removing all capitalization and punctuation.

>> No.1081550

>>1081545
calm sounds my friend

shh, there is no pain here

>> No.1081737

>>1080107
The best monitor I ever used was a 768p plasma when they were still made in Japan

>> No.1081976

>>1081504
Listen and try to understand. All four of these posts are by me.
>>1079842
>>1079848
>>1079853
>>1079931
I was thinking someone might look it up for me before I left the thrift store but since no one did, I looked it up myself when I had more time. I'm not angry at myself. I'm just pointing out to whoever posted this
>>1079937
That there is a port that doesn't say anything but "VPORT" on it. I assumed the poster didn't see the port I was referring to. I don't know if maybe the poster (you?) thought I didn't know that "component" means YPbPr or if he was just repeating what had already been i.e. contributing nothing valuable to the thread or just plain contributing nothing.

>> No.1082092

What's up /vr/. I just bought a Trinitron KV20TS22 from a local Salvation Army for $12. I'll try to upload a picture as soon as I can.

For now I have two questions.
Did I do good?
What do I need in order to have the best picture? It only has standard video ports.

>> No.1082097

>>1059350
>I've been waiting 12 hours to be able to post

>> No.1082217
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>>1082092
>Did I do good?
>KV-20TS22 from ca. 1991
>RF and single RCA composite and audio inputs.
I'm a SCART spoiled eurofag.
I can't really judge that, but have fun with it.

>What do I need in order to have the best picture?
The simple answer is a composite connection.

The difficult answer is modding the set for better input connections, i found the schematic (pic related) and all i can say it will be very hard to accomplish a mod for S-Video or RGB inputs.
The main reason is that i can't find the datasheet for the CXA1013AS that is used by that TV to convert CVBS to RGB for the CRT.
A Oscilloscope, knowledge, precaution etc. will be absolutely necessary to perform it.

>> No.1082228

>>1082217
Yeah I'm certainly not looking to modify the board or anything. I was hoping that there were composite to component converters that existed. If anything it was only $12 so not too big of a loss.

>> No.1082269

>>1059350
>Moot said in a Q&A not to respond to a thread when someone posts in it just to rip on the thread itself / people in it.
I'm pretty sure he said to not respond to shitposters.

>> No.1082636
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1082636

Can anyone tell me what model of Sony Trinitron is this? What are the inputs? Is it any good, etc

Best picture I have sorry. the only description on the sale is that it is a "20" Sony Trinitron TV"

>> No.1082673

>>1082636
It reminds me of the model that i googled for >>1082092.

>> No.1082726

>>1081516

In this case I was referring to CRT TVs (with coax, a/vs etc) vs a CRT computer monitor (vga, bnc). And apparetly there is a Hz issue so they are different.