/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10584161]

Which one and why?

[Anonymous No.10584181]

>>10584161
Ffvii every fucking time. Better mechanics, chocobos, better secrets, better character archs, better story, better music, better world to explore, better vehicles, it's better just in every way. But it should be compared to chrono cross, not trigger. Ffvi should be compared to chrono trigger, and In that case everything I said about ffvii holds true for ffvi vs chrono trigger.
>Inb4 hurr durr ff7 an generic story
Better than most jrpg retardation.

[Anonymous No.10584203]

CT. 7 is ugly to me and wastes your time a lot. I prefer CT tone too.

[Anonymous No.10584207]

>>10584161
7
tifas rad tits
& eventually jiggly/bounce model in ehghiez on namcos arcade system

[Anonymous No.10584214]

7 because better cast, story, combat and music.

[Anonymous No.10584232]

FFVII by a reasonable margin. The feels I get playing 7, even as a 35yo are intense. This sounds fucked but playing FF7 has been one of the best parts of my whole life. It's a really pleasant revenge fantasy.
I can't blame nostalgia b/c I played trigger first. I really like trigger though.

[Anonymous No.10584253]

I never got why people liked Chrono Trigger so much.

[Anonymous No.10584259]

>>10584161
Both. Because why not. They are completely different games and both very worth playing.

[Anonymous No.10584518]

>>10584259
Seconding this, both are great games. There’s little to gain from putting them against one another.

[Anonymous No.10584614]

>>10584232
>those models and AI upscaled backgrounds
delete this
but yeah, I just turned 36 and my life was basically built on this game

[Anonymous No.10585002]

>>10584181
Who says FF7 has a generic story? I could understand saying that its try-hard.

[Anonymous No.10585119]

>>10584161
FF7 by a wide margin.
Don't get me wrong, CT is a great game, but it has an entirely different goal and design philosophy from FF7.
CT has great execution and pacing with few/no flaws, but it's not very deep. Bland characters with little development and a basic plot. 7 on the other hand goes all in. great plot, amazing characters with tons of depth, development and interaction, awesome music, great aesthetic and style, and fast, flashy and satisfying combat. 7 has it all.

[Anonymous No.10585134]

>>10584161
7, battle system is more fun due to materia, the story speaks to me more, I enjoy the music more, and the atmosphere is unreal.
Having said that, CT is no slouch in any of those regards, it’s wonderful too.

[Anonymous No.10585150]

FF7 is better than CT in literaly every aspects and by a good margin

In fact Chrono cross is better than trigger

[Anonymous No.10585281]

Never played any jrpgs. Just finished CT and enjoyed it immensely.

VI, VII or Cross next?

[Anonymous No.10585308]

CT is the best snezz jarpig but FF7 will always be the pinnacle of its genre overall. I feel bad for anybody who didn't get to play it before Advent Children came out and ruined the characters forever.

[Anonymous No.10585326]

>>10585281
6 first, then 7.

[Anonymous No.10585395]

>>10584253
Normalfags that have a shitfit over random encounters could tolerate it

[Anonymous No.10585423]

>>10585326
That's what I was leaning towards, 2d feels better right now.

[Anonymous No.10585467]

>>10585150
>chrono cross
just mash x the game and auto attack to win

[Anonymous No.10585607]

>>10584161
Dumb comparison. Here's how it really is:
>CT>FF6
>FF8>CC>FF7

[Anonymous No.10585628]

>>10584161
VII by a mile. Chrono Trigger is excellent but FFVII is transformative honestly. Just has a bigger impact in nearly every way and is much more enjoyable to replay.

[Anonymous No.10585630]

>>10585607
7=9 > CT=6=5 > 8 > 4=10 >>[...]>> CC

[Anonymous No.10585645]

>>10585630
>10 even in the conversation
Horrible taste, opinion discarded. CC is the second best RPG of gen 5

[Anonymous No.10585649]

>>10585308
Headcanon is a powerful drug, a form of spice non-coporeally speaking of course.

[Anonymous No.10585652]

>>10584161
They're both boring shit for virgins. Games are meant to let you experience exaggerated virtual action to make real life suck less. These games are about as fun mechanically as balancing your checkbook and to male sure you don't overdraft your bank account

[Anonymous No.10585664]

>>10585652
>exaggerated virtual action
Ohh yeah because super punch out and pacman are so fucking packed with EXCAGERATED VIRTUAL ACTION!!!!!!1. Ff7 has tons of non RPG combat stuff including submarine fighting, snow boarding, chocobo racing, chocobo breeding, flying an air ship/buggy/broken airplane, swimming with dolphin, punch out clone, basketball arcade game, doing squats, military marching, RTS mini game, and more!

[Anonymous No.10585669]

>>10585652
not sure if low quality bait or genuinely retarded

[Anonymous No.10585671]

>>10585664
>super punch out and pacman
I don't play those games, I'm not that old. Also for their time yes that was the pinnacle of immersive video game action

[Anonymous No.10585674]

>>10585669
I'm a fan of a ton of lo fi retro shit but that just look bad to me. Fallout 1 has better art direction

[Anonymous No.10585676]

>>10585671
You don't have to be old to play pacman. A few weeks ago me and my brother were showing his kid Ms pacman and she was having a blast. You sound a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.10585743]

>>10585645
>Horrible taste, opinion discarded. CC is the second best RPG of gen 5
Horrible taste, opinion discarded. CC is in the bottom half of RPGs of gen 5.

[Anonymous No.10585764]

>>10584161
I choose both

[Anonymous No.10585770]

>>10585743
Can't wait to see how Snoy botch this corpse lol

[Anonymous No.10585773]

>>10585645
Cross is utter shite and all the Kingdom hearts FMVs is a giant dookey

[Anonymous No.10585893]

>loading times and soulless 3d
>vs no loading times and soulful 2d sprites
gee i wonder

[Anonymous No.10585901]

>>10585893
Play it on PC with upped internal resolution and speed boost. It's fast, and more-difficult because it's fast if you have ATB active.
I gave away my orig PS1 copy of VII which I bought new a few years ago because fuck load times.

[Anonymous No.10585920]

Well JRPG bros... I think I'm one more step to officially throwing in the towel. Got halfway through FF8, loved the setting, most of the characters, ost, setting, the SOULFUL backgrounds... and like with every other JRPG I try without action elements, the gameplay became tedious. I don't get how DQXI managed to avoid this, but it's so aggravating to love so many elements of JRPG's but get bored to tears with the gameplay. I will always envy those of you that can into that element.

I think I'll make Breath of Fire 3 the final hill I die on. I just wish I could understand why I loved DQXI so much and yet can never get into the gameplay of any other JRPG.

[Anonymous No.10586069]

>>10585920
The only jrpg I've finished is persona 3 portable and I haven't played any of the classic /vr/ ones. P3p was a lot of fun. I'm not a dating sim guy so that stuff was lost on me

[Anonymous No.10586250]

>>10584161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5aCYEeXLQs
Final Fantasy 7. The crown jewel of the genre, by which all other RPGs are judged.

[Anonymous No.10586365]

>>10586069
>I'm not a dating sim guy
then how the fuck you didnt rage quit nusona 3 when game cucked you from dungeon progression? that pissed me off so much
i learned about smt since then and it was much better experience for me. reminded me of ultima underworld

[Anonymous No.10586372]

>>10586365
because you dont have to engage with that part of the game at all. you can "waste" days and speed on by without ever talking to anyone outside of the end of month scenes. Also being the portable version also trims even more fat
>SMT
I didnt like it when they went handheld.

[Anonymous No.10586384]

>>10585119
>CT has great execution and pacing with few/no flaws, but it's not very deep. Bland characters with little development and a basic plot.
I 100% agree. It' so weird to see people praise the story and characters of CT. Outside of maybe frog I don't think any of the other characters even had any development. It really makes me believe that the fans of CT haven't played any other RPGs. .

[Anonymous No.10586391]

>>10584161
FFVII by a mile. It actually has good gameplay on top of being a more interesting game.

[Anonymous No.10586393]

wild to see the near unanimous 7 stuff. im a zoomer so i dont have nostalgia for these. maybe thats why i like ct i dont know.

[Anonymous No.10586403]

>>10586384
this is how I feel about planescape fans, but chrono trigger fans have at least played the game they're a fan of.

[Anonymous No.10586429]

Right
>big cool sword
>faces a huge looming robot
>roomy shirt (good for tetanus shots)
>cool nazi pants and also blonde (aryan)

Left
>red Son Goku
>Marle just nuked his sword lol
>the frog is looking for his purse in the wrong place (it's behind Marle)
>the elephant foot needs a pedicure

Both
>THE FIELD is mostly white

Winner
>RIGHT (overwhelmingly)

[Anonymous No.10586815]

>>10586069
I'm just so annoyed with it. To love every single aspect of a type of game... except the actual gameplay. I get about halfway through each JRPG I attempt and eventually I just dread each encounter and only push through them to see more of the game and story. Also, after some thinking on it, I think the auto battle, and ability to fast forward might have been a big reason why I liked and finished DQXI, which is kinda sad.

[Anonymous No.10586943]

>>10586815
That's a very fair criticism. The biggest problem with many jrpgs especially is that by mid game you're strong enough that most random encounters have no challenge to them at all, so all it's doing is wasting your time. I used to really like rpgs but over the years got bored with them.

If there's a game I would recommend it's Lunar Eternal Blue original on Sega CD. It stuck in my mind as one of the greats over the years and replaying it now it holds up in ways many other since haven't. There's never a spot you need to stop and grind but it remains challenging all through and you have to pay attention to things like enemy positions, who will act first and what skills to use when.

[Anonymous No.10586952]

>>10586943
Funny you should bring that up.
I actually own a ps1 copy with the box and all the bonus goodies I got at a fleamarket back in the day.

Maybe I'll give that a go over BoF3. It has just been sitting in that box for YEARS.

[Anonymous No.10586998]

>>10586952
I do not recommend the PS1 version in any way. For one, the balance I spoke of is completely gone and it's piss easy. Besides that it is just overall one of if not the worst remakes of a game ever. Sega CD is easy to emulate so go that rout or stick with BoF3, which is not a game I love but it's way better than the Lunar remakes.

[Anonymous No.10587662]

>>10586998
Gotcha, I'll grab that version then. Also, I was giving it some more thought and does the fun in JRPG's come less from the combat and more from building your characters and team?

[Anonymous No.10587664]

>>10585764
You dropped your mirror, King. Here you go.

[Anonymous No.10587674]

>>10586998
the PS1 version is actually more close to the original difficulty of the japanese version. the english SCD version was made way more difficult by Vic for no reason whatsoever.
regardless, there are patches that fix both the PS1 and SCD versions.

[Anonymous No.10587858]

>>10585423
6 is by far the most overrated game in the series. If you don't enjoy it, try not to let it sour your expectations for 7.

[Anonymous No.10587865]

>>10587858
i agree that it's overrated, but it's still a good game, and i think it's a good experience for any fan of the rpg genre to see how the FF series exited the 2d artstyle.

[Anonymous No.10588564]

>>10584181
>But it should be compared to chrono cross, not trigger.
the thread is about comparing it to Chrono Trigger, makes no sense to say it should be compared to Chrono Chross.

[Anonymous No.10588947]

>>10587674
Ohh I know. I remember well Nick Rox whining on message boards that he couldn't get past Borgan in the US version which is why you don't see anything past that in his Gamefan review. The up in difficulty is one of the few changes Vic made that I really agree with. I held the game up as having near perfect balance for years and now replaying it if anything it's better than I remember.

Regardless, the remake is awful in all sorts of other ways. Dungeons being severly shortened or changed. Illusion Woods being a perfect example I've brought up here so many times. The original is an awesome sprawling dungeon where trees have hidden passages that lead to underground tunnels connecting to different parts of the forest. In the remake all that is replaced by a tiny hedge maze that doesn't even look like a forest and has no illusory doors hidden in trees. A dude just moves a bush out of the way for you.

The entire remake is like that, lazy and shitty everywhere. In the original there are all kinds of little touches and details, like doors having an animation when they open and bars in towns having their own music. Missing or chopped down cut scenes... All gone. It really is one of if not the absolute worst remake of a game there has ever been.

[Anonymous No.10588980]

>>10588564
Im saying the thread is stupid and built upon retardation, if you had half a braincell in your noggin you could connect the dots, but I know you're just a piece of shit, so. Your retardation is also showing, I suggest you put it back in your pocket with your spaghetti, nigger.

[Anonymous No.10590432]

>>10587858
FF6 is both overrated and the best game in the series. A sad irony.

[Anonymous No.10590550]

>>10588980
NTA but you're insufferable
>You're not allowed to compare games that came out 2 years apart they're from different worlds
You're like the people who think games become outdated. Honestly fuck you cunt.

[Anonymous No.10590580]

>>10586384
It's a kneejerk response. CT barely has much more story than Pokemon or Dragon Quest. Which is to say, hardly anything. Planescape on the other hand essentially is a story-driven game and the intro alone has as more dialogue than any 16-bit game.

>chrono trigger fans have at least played the game they're a fan of
Press X to doubt.

[Anonymous No.10590595]

>>10585002
>I could understand saying that its try-hard.
When trying hard becomes an insult, ironic halfassing takes its place

[Anonymous No.10590604]

>>10590550
I never said you can't, I said it's dumb. you fucking dipshits sith minded zoom zoom. Here's why it's dumb. Because they are console gens apart, ffvi is not, ffvi is more closer in aesthetics and mechanics, ffvi is also more closer in terms of advertisement and hype. Ffvii is 3d not a 2d game, ffvii has 3d cinematics and gameplay. The only thing comparable about ffvii and ct is that they are both jrpgs. Chrono trigger is better compared to something in its lane like smrpg, as even ffvi outclasses it in most cases. I'm not stopping anybody from comparing ffvii and ct, but it's not a good match up. That's why I say it's dumb.

[Anonymous No.10590614]

>>10586815
Sounds like you need to play a SaGa game, which heavily lean on mechanics and systems and can give a decent challenge from start to finish

[Anonymous No.10590663]

>>10590614
NTA, but I'm almost done with Saga Frontier 2 myself, filtered me as a kid, way easier as an adult while also using a chronological list of events/missions so the story makes sense now. Impressed with how it seems to be your everyday magical fantasy, but it's actually sci-fi the deeper you go. Also how easily they kill off even major characters, not gonna say which (spoilers and all that), but damn there's some brutal Game of Thrones shit happening. I'll finish it this time, final boss is going to be a bitch and I already know it, but worst case scenario - GameShark. Screw it. I will have to say however that I'm playing at x2 speed during battles using an emulator's fast toggle and fuck me would the battles take ages otherwise. That's a massive problem with jRPGs in general I think, long ass battles. Way better if you can just toggle the speed up a notch.

[Anonymous No.10592141]

>>10590614
>>10590663
I decided to keep going with 8 but delving deep into the character building and finding the broken spell combinations and that's finally making the combat fun. I remember hating playing DnD with my friends, but they all loved my acting/characters so I kept doing it for them, but one friend caught on and showed me how a big part of the fun comes from the skills and finding broken combinations/countering enemies and now that I'm on disc 3, FF8 reminds me a lot of that too so I wonder if I just oversimplified RPG'S into the most basic aspects of the combat and just getting through it rather than learning how to have fun breaking it and countering enemies. (Squall and Rinoa definitely deserve each other)

Gonna download the roms now though unless you'd recommend the remasters?

[Anonymous No.10592151]

Neither. Squaresoft shit is overrated to hell

And no saying "but Chrono Trigger was made by the DQ devs" if you gave a shit about this cope then you'd actually play DQ games too instead of just sucking off Squaresoft's teat more

[Anonymous No.10593451]

>>10592151
Pro-tip: Literally none of the staff of Chrono Trigger had a Dragon Quest background outside of Akira Toriyama himself. It was entirely Square people, which means Final Fantasy, SaGa, Mana mainly.

[Anonymous No.10593462]

>>10592151
you says squaresoft games are overrated, and then go on to talk about DQ, the most generic, bland, inoffensive and by-the-books jrpg series ever?