/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10582924]

Remakes and Remasters are gay.

[Anonymous No.10582932]

>>10582924
It sucked then and it sucked now. but guess what that's just my opinion and so is what you're saying your opinion. Fact is a lot of people like that game.

[Anonymous No.10582940]

>>10582924
Final Fantasy 7

[Anonymous No.10582962]

I want to play this series but I don't know where to start, this, PM, or TTYD.
I definitely feel like I'll only play one of them. Unless I somehow end up falling in love with it which I highly doubt

[Anonymous No.10583031]

>>10582962
Release order always.

[Anonymous No.10583050]

>>10583031
But I don't really like RPGs that much anymore. TTYD is the best one, right?

[Anonymous No.10583057]

>>10583050
I like all three.

SMRPG plays a lot differently than the other two.

[Anonymous No.10583246]

>>10582940
Dark Souls gameplay in the FF7 universe where there is no slow tension build up to Sephiroth in the Shinra building but instead you see him in the first five minutes of the game. Midgar can be completed in about 45m to 1h if you speedrun it, but it was stretched out to 40 hours. It's simply disgusting.

[Anonymous No.10583293]

Tomb Raider Anniversary is better than the original game, so get fucked.


I know what you're going to say next, save your time...

[Anonymous No.10583305]

>>10582924
Yes. Quite gay.

[Anonymous No.10583307]

>blocks your path

[Anonymous No.10583312]

>>10582962
>I want to play this series
>series
who wants to tell him?

[Anonymous No.10583335]

>>10583293
Found the zoomer

[Anonymous No.10584445]

>>10582962
start with SMRPG

[Anonymous No.10584748]

>>10583050
SMRPG was made by a competent studio so you should play that one

[Anonymous No.10585571]

>>10582962
1. SMRPG
2. Paper Mario
3. Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga

This is all you need to get the full spectrum of Mario RPGs.

[Anonymous No.10586852]

>>10583050

TTYD is often called the best one, and compared to the first Paper Mario it has higher highs for sure, but it also has lower lows. PM64 is well rounded and worth your time. You should at least play both of them, Super Mario RPG, and if you still want more, Superstar Saga.

[Anonymous No.10586965]

>>10582932
>It sucked then
You're soulless

[Anonymous No.10586969]

>>10582924
Except for REMake 2002

[Anonymous No.10587104]

>>10582924
You are a remake of your father...

[Anonymous No.10587118]

Unironically old good, new bad

[Anonymous No.10587581]

>>10582940
>bloating a single game into like three games

[Anonymous No.10587642]

>>10582962
TTYD or SMRPG
64 hasn't aged as well as either
There's a reason they're making TTYD on Switch and not Paper Mario All-Stars, TTYD has all the interest contained in the other two.

[Anonymous No.10587649]

I agree except that one will be good when it gets a hard mode hack

[Anonymous No.10587650]

>>10582924
The new mechanics would be great if applied to a sequel built from the ground up around them. Being slapped on the old game however breaks it.

[Anonymous No.10587668]

>>10583293
You're objectively wrong and a complete retard.

I know what you're going to say next, save your time...

[Anonymous No.10587683]

>>10582924
You're gay.

[Anonymous No.10587713]

>>10582924
True, but they'll keep happening because retards keep buying them.

[Anonymous No.10587882]

>>10582924
I agree. I really fucking hate remakes remasters, and ports. Its just a way for developers to make money off of the good will older games have. Copyright should last 20 years and no more.

[Chud Anon No.10587936]

>>10583246
Zoomshits couldn’t handle any semblance of patience for the buildup to sephy

[Anonymous No.10588030]

>>10582924
if a game is just a 1:1 recreation I don't see much of a point in playing the remake, I'd rather play the original personally, that goes for most anything I'm into, would rather just see/play/read the original, feels more true to the vision, as lame as that is.

[Anonymous No.10588418]

What exactly was wrong with SMRPG remake? It felt like they did a great job updating the graphics.

[Anonymous No.10588419]

>>10583307
I'd rather (re)play 3D Dot Game Heroes than this

[Anonymous No.10588530]

>>10587713
This.

[Anonymous No.10588814]

>>10587936
Zoomzoom here youre right my left nut literally exploded once i was nearung the end of midgar in og ff7 because of the tension fr fr

[Anonymous No.10588876]

>>10588418
It looks fine (but surprisingly chuggy in points - WTF?) but the look of the original feels much more unique in comparison and the animations have lost a lot of the snappiness the original game had.
Script-wise most of the changes are enemy and item renames, some are welcome and some are not. They do keep a lot of the original dialogue and the most memorable lines but there are lots of minor changes here and there and some of the charm is lost in the process. Most of these are minor censorship (an NPC for example says Booster resembles a totem pole, that's been scrubbed). There's a handful of new scenes like one in Seaside town after you free the people where Bowser and Peach decide talk about what to do next.
Music is fine, you can switch to the original if you prefer which is nice touch.
Game seems even easier, with new splash damage timed hits, an expanded inventory, triple techs and the ability to switch out dead or encumbered allies during battles.
It's fine, especially since the game hasn't been re-released a hundred times, but really they should have taken the opportunity to add a lot more content. I don't like throwing this around but there's definitely a lot less SOVL in the remake.

[Anonymous No.10589438]

>>10582924
Xenoblade Definitive is better than the Wii version.

[Anonymous No.10591098]

>>10589438
Same with the switch version of Skyward Sword

[Anonymous No.10591104]

>>10586969
I can't even think of one I like other than that, except for a couple that also served as English localizations (Lost Levels, Romancing SaGa 2)
It's just so sad how people keep rebuying classics when there are loads of other good old games they missed the first time round and could try instead

[Anonymous No.10591115]

>>10583246
Dark Souls was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.10591162]

>>10582940
The FF7 """remake""" is one of the most egregious examples of a shit remake that should never have been made. Kys, idiot.

[Anonymous No.10591532]

>>10591162
It was free on PSN so I downloaded it and what a BORING slog of a game this was. I'm honestly gobsmacked by all the praise it received.

[Anonymous No.10591896]

>>10587642
The reason is NSO already has PM64

>>10582962
Play RPG, PM64, TTYD, Mario & Luigi 1 (GBA) and if you're really in love with the games I'd recommend continuing with M&L and checking out Super Paper Mario, it is a weird spin-off but it's the last bit of PM "flavor" that exists so it's worth it for that alone.

[Anonymous No.10593964]

>>10587104
More like a butchered port.

[Anonymous No.10594904]

*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.10594921]

How about remastered remakes?

[sage No.10594947]

>>10582924
Why is this shitty pointless low-quality thread still up?

[Anonymous No.10595491]

>>10594947
As long as everyone's on the same page about a topic, the Mods don't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.10595734]

>>10583050
SMRPG > M&LSS > PM > TTYD

[Anonymous No.10595749]

>>10582924
Ahem.

[Anonymous No.10597201]

>>10582932
>it sucked then

[Anonymous No.10597365]

>>10583307
Man, that art looks like shit. Why do they ruin these games like that, reminds me of that wind waker garbage.

[Anonymous No.10597517]

>>10595734
Close, but SMRPG is actually the worst one.

[Anonymous No.10597542]

>>10595749
ruined by all the mechanics bloat from the later games among other things

[Anonymous No.10598362]

>>10582924
Boy, are you all going to flip your shit when this is 2.5'd.

[Anonymous No.10598365]

>>10597542
Nigger mechanics bloat is the least of HGSS's issues. If you're going to shitpost at least come at it with a pov that isn't blatantly ignorant

[Anonymous No.10598374]

>>10588814
why do “people”you have to throw the word literally into every sentence

[Anonymous No.10598381]

>>10597542
>mechanics bloat
No such thing. Sorry you're too stupid to play the funny monster RPG game.

[Anonymous No.10598383]

>>10583246
>Dark Souls gameplay
Holy shit you're the dumbest motherfucker I've seen make a post on this board in a long time. Even dumber than the guy comparing MHW to WOW.

[Anonymous No.10598386]

>>10597365
>still hasn't grown out of his "nuh-uh I'm a BIG kid now I'm too mature for cartoony grafix!!!!" phase

[Anonymous No.10599159]

>>10583307

[Anonymous No.10599161]

>>10595749
Hahaha no

[Anonymous No.10599162]

>>10598381
Do you call Madden and CoD RPGs too?

[Anonymous No.10599167]

>>10598362
That depends
There's a rumor out there claiming some good news of the potiential remake, but I'm keeping shut until the person shares publicly.

He also has a shifty track record, but only because he sucks at timing of his rumors.

[Anonymous No.10599178]

>>10597517
But that's wrong, at least SMRPG doesn't force you to backtrack like some sort of slog.

[Anonymous No.10599179]

>>10598386
Not him but that weird blur effect around the edge of the screen sucks.
I'm also petty enough to consider that version of the game inferior just because they fucked up getting the L-2 Sword. Though some of the music is really nice.

[Anonymous No.10599190]

>>10598386
Hi ILCA, your Pokemon remakes are still terrible despite copying off from another horrid remake trying to adapt the chibi photography as the aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10599192]

>>10583050
>>10586852
I think PM64 is better except in gameplay, where TTYD excels.

[Anonymous No.10599203]

>>10598362
The original was an unfinished mess that got rushed out the door so if it got actually FINISHED in a remake, that'd be cool

[Anonymous No.10599204]

>>10598386
>awful funko pop artstyle
>looks worse than what Nintendo tried with Wind Waker on the GCN
>looks on par with it's DS sequels, which looked all ugly
>fucking terrible vaseline screen to look realistically toyetic
>mediocre dungeon maker, so fucking mediocre they told fans that they're not doing it again in a more realized fashion
>NOOOOOO YOU'RE A FAG THAT WANTED THOSE SHITTY DIRECTIONLESS UNREAL ENGINE OOT REMAKES STOP BASHING MY SHITMAKE
The only good thing about the remake was Crazy Tracy in HD and the intro/ending being fully animated like a official Nintendo animated short before the Super Slopio Bros Movie hit the theaters.
The rest is fucking dog water.

[Anonymous No.10599207]

The only thing people bitch about that I don't understand is bloom. Like in Octopath I get it because it was also combined with a bad color palette and bad lighting, but I thought it was fine in the remake of Live A Live. I loved the original LAL and I thought the remake was great.

[Anonymous No.10599209]

>>10599203
Bro, they're not gonna fit the entire Xenogears Complete Works into on remake.
Not to mention the possibility of S-E and Nintendo telling them to leave out adult thing from the remake

[Anonymous No.10599210]

>>10599209
>Bro, they're not gonna fit the entire Xenogears Complete Works into on remake.
No I mean like...finishing disk 2.

[Anonymous No.10599232]

>>10599210
I mean, what's the best you can do to actually finish it?

[Anonymous No.10599248]

>>10599232
Add the dungeons that were clearly meant to be there?

[Anonymous No.10599252]

>>10587650
>>10587649
Yeah, I actually like what they did with the combat mechanics, but the only parts of the game which were designed with them in mind were some of the post-game rematches, which were obviously just a very small portion of the whole game. Overall it was a great remake, honestly surreal feeling that it even exists, given how long Nintendo seemed to ignore it.

[Anonymous No.10599424]

>>10588418
To me, the biggest is no retranslation never ever rip that sets it apart from Square's every other enhanced update. They literally lifted it from the original and did almost the bare minimum in giving it a facelift. That's why you can see the seams in the bonus text, like the Monster List has traces of jokes that only make sense if you knew the Japanese names (see K-9 and Ribbite) and Booster and Geno suddenly switch to something closer to their Japanese personas. If you look at the credits for who was responsible for language work, Nintendo of Europe was in charge of translation while Nintendo of America did the localization (unlike the original where Square handled it). So it looks like NoE really wanted to give this game a more faithful retranslation treatment for the English script, but NoA crippled them and relegated them to extra content. We probably would've gotten the same exact Culex and Psychopaths if Tomato didn't make those articles.

[Anonymous No.10599447]

I’m all for tiny-ass handheld games remade for larger screens. Mario vs. Donkey Kong is a weird choice for a remake, as it won’t appeal to ADD-ridden zoomers, but it’s exactly the kind of game that benefits from a remake. I played the original last year and it’s absolute ass on anything but a tiny GBA screen.

[Anonymous No.10599483]

>>10589438
No it fucking isnt it looks and runs way worse and the new art style for the characters is faggot shit. The original Wii game is the only good game in the franchise and the others are so shit it seems like it was a complete accident.

[Anonymous No.10599532]

>>10599424
>retranslation never ever
http://www.zophar.net/translations/snes/english/super-mario-rpg-legend-of-the-seven-stars-rebrick-time-capsule-.html
It's been out there since sometime between Christmas and New Year's.

[Anonymous No.10599889]

>>10599178
SMRPG has the least interesting battle system.

[Anonymous No.10599893]

>>10599207
I think Octopath looks good once you turn off the DoF, but yeah I also think bloom can be good. It's a shame that the Live A Live remake was censored because it's really good.

[Anonymous No.10599903]

>>10599483
The character style is purely subjective, but the QoL features such as expert mode, the changes to quest tracking, and fixing the maximum attack bug make it play better too.

[Anonymous No.10601830]

>>10598362
Xenoshitter will rise from the dead to condemn this.

[Anonymous No.10601831]

>>10599903
nobody who actually has played either version thinks the DE version is worse
its great

[Anonymous No.10601835]

>>10599248
Ah yes, the ones that alluded to Ep. III, the Zeboim Era and Ep. IV, the Diablos invasion, you know, the stories that GO NOWHERE!

[Anonymous No.10601837]

I thought Dream Team was good but I am a sucker for Luigi's character development.

[Anonymous No.10601890]

>>10583293
>>10583293

They're like two different entities my man. Hardly comparable.

[Anonymous No.10601941]

>>10599903
I miss FFX like modelling in general, but I think DE style fits better for Xenoblade series.
Expressions are the only thing objectively worse.

[Anonymous No.10602401]

>>10595749
ruined by soulless graphics and lack of gen 1 region which original games fucking had as bonus
i said it and say it again. if you dont like 8-bit art style you dont belong on /vr/

[Anonymous No.10602685]

>>10599532
>the legends were true

[Anonymous No.10602693]

>>10582924
I don't think so. Sometimes I want to replay an old game but remember how bad the controls were or some kind of inconvenience from those days and then stop trying to play it.

But a good remake will usually keep the feeling and memories of that game and improve it slightly to today's standards.

So for me and many others remakes are really awesome.

[Anonymous No.10602869]

>>10601831
I understand people miss the original style. The ideal game would have had some sort of toggle.
>>10601941
I think it depends on the scene really.